general-chat

[sinful lark]

Eh, it's more of a privacy thing for me.

[pliant herald]

then, dont release it?

or say that "." was the originator of the code?

.

wow, it blips star dot star....

[sinful lark]

I guess I'll just cross that bridge when I get there (release, if it ever happens)

[pliant herald]

we all feel the same way.

"will i get famous, or just regret what i have done?!?!?"...HAHA!!!!

[ancient plume]

hi

[pliant herald]

ih

[pearl vigil]

Not that new, but anyone else have their interest perked by the Google SkyWater project where they're making 40 open source chips from community entries for free? https://fossi-foundation.org/2020/06/30/skywater-pdk It'll be interesting to see silicon become the new PCBs, I have a feeling this is a step in that direction

[echo plume]

Hello

[burnt tendon]

I really don't have time to try and fill the gap in my understanding between hobbyist-electronics and silicon design to take advantage of the SkyWater project, which makes me a sad panda.

Also, anything I'd do is probably far too silly and useless for such a project, LOL.

[dusty citrus]

@sinful lark I think the question to ask is, how are Licenses impacted by use of entirely fictional identities, especially implausible legal names.

It felt really strange when I went to a user meet, and someone called me 'nis' to my face.

In that moment I realized that's who I was, to them.

[sinful lark]

I've heard online that the use of pseudonym doesn't disqualify somebody from being a copyright holder (they cited http://copyright.gov/title17/92chap3.html, it's beyond me if that's actually the case). That being said, I've also heard that some people don't like to work with pseudonymous programmers ("you can take legal action against me, but can I take legal action against you?").

[burnt wave]

Yeah, using a pseudonym does not invalidate your copyright.

[proven olive]

Also doesn't make you immune to legal action, either

[burnt wave]

yup

Generally you have to establish authorship if you are trying to enforce your copyright, which will, in turn, remove your pseudonymity.

US copyright office's note on pseudonyms: https://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl101.pdf

Not that work for hire is a different case - with work for hire the person paying for the work is generally considered the author for the purposes of copyright.

[sinful lark]

Thanks for the link!

[dusty citrus]

Forth programmers very often use their legal names in most communications online. Seems a cultural bias that 'catches' (it is seen done, so one imitates that).

I think for them, it helps them to establish a reputation within that (small) community.

I would like to see a different standard for how and where License information gets posted. It's really annoying to feel obligated to pepper important source code documents with intellectual property related information.

Apple's filesystem uses some kind of fork, which looks a lot like hidden directories and 'dotfiles' under Linux.

That separation could permit hidden (but easily discovered) meta-information, such as a complete history of the intellectual property chain of custody (as it were).

[pastel gulch]

@dusty citrus heya! Can I dm you?(regarding Forth)

[late fulcrum]

@burnt tendon Maybe start with FPGA programming before making custom chips? Much of the design process the same, and the barrier to entry is much lower (low enough that goofy FPGA projects are pretty common these days)

[echo plume]

Hello

Hi

[dusty citrus]

@pastel gulch Sure, go for it. I won't be here for at least 12 hr (wild guess).

[burnt tendon]

Yah, I keep thinking "Hey, I want to play with FPGAs" but it hasn't really raised high enough in my priority list.

[late fulcrum]

When IceStudio/Fomu/apio came out, along with nice boards like the iCEBreaker and Nandland Go, I decided to dust off my old VHDL chops from the PAL days and give it a go. I was pleasantly surprised how nice it is with the open source tool chains these days. I was able to generate a VGA signal in a couple of weeks of playing with it for an occasional hour here or there.

[proven juniper]

❤️ icestudio.

Just wished it was based on nmigen.

[late fulcrum]

I think there are some folks looking at that

[sick adder]

I think I have enough pin headers for now

[pearl vigil]

Eh, for the next week or two maybe 😜

[grave crest]

@sick adder I'm usually one to avoid outright negativity -- but nope, bud. You don't have enough 😉 To be fair, no one has enough headers.

[umbral phoenix]

I don't think there's such a thing as 'enough'.

[velvet pelican]

In case anyone is wondering if the wire strippers from harbor freight are worth it i will say its a worthwhile buy for sure. Ive been using the old hole in the back of the pliers style for years and thought id gives these a shot. Wassnt expecting them to work very well but they are the best set i have at this point. Would recommend to anyone for the price.

[sick adder]

I've had at least two of those. One works well. The other, the jaw was wonky and misaligned and couldn't strip smaller wires worth a darn, so I gave it away at my makerspace

when it does work it's very pleasant to use

[velvet pelican]

Especially on short wires that are hard to hold on to

[dusty citrus]

Yes

[grave crest]

@burnt wave Hey -- I wanted to ask you about your SDS1104 -- it's on sale right now on Amazon for $430. What do you think of it overall, and do you feel that's a good price or a "don't think buy now" price?

[pliant herald]

@velvet pelican thats what teeth are for!!!!

hehe

[velvet pelican]

I’d hate to see how many teeth ya got left after doing solid core wire lol

[pliant herald]

HAHA!!!

the nickname is Bucky....as in Bucky Toothy!!!!

j/k

[burnt wave]

@grave crest I love it

I even ended up using its serial decode stuff and I thought I'd never need it.

Very well built

[fathom relic]

on stripping wires with teeth, that's in one of the cases of acute lead poisoning you find if you look up lead poisoning. Guy was having numbness in hands, tinnitus, cognition problems, found high blood lead level. They couldn't figure out why. A year and a half and he mentioned chewing the insulation he stripped off wires. They tested and that was the source.

[pliant herald]

well, why chew on it?!?!?

spit it out!!!

[burnt tendon]

That does sound like something that would lead to trouble.

[pliant herald]

PATUW!!!!

also paint chips.....Lays doesnt make them anymore....

they make O chips!!!

[fathom relic]

this was in 1991, so not like it's back when paint has lead or anything

[pliant herald]

of course not.....

and Chernobyl was a fun happy place to visit!

mind the third arms kids!

[fathom relic]

I just wouldn't be putting wires in my mouth at all, never know that's in the metal or plastic

*what's

[pliant herald]

hehe

dont believe everything you are told. I dont have a radiated mouth just cause i use my teeth like a side cutter and stripper....

[fathom relic]

this with the lead in the insulation is a documented medical case

[pliant herald]

besides...if that "WERE" the case...then what wires are you stripping....exactly....?

and "where" are you ordering them from?!?!

i would review my shopping cart rather than my dental plan....

[fathom relic]

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00020984.htm

[pliant herald]

(clicks on ORDER RADIOACTIVE WIRES....sure!!!)

JUMP SCARE!

[fathom relic]

There's a reason a bunch of stuff has to have prop 65 labels in california, lead is used to keep the plastic soft, or like in paint, as a white pigment

[pliant herald]

yeah, i cant have WD40 in CA......

but im pretty sure duct tape is universal......

also, just a thought....why do the doctors run behind a wall of "lead" when the X-Ray machines go off?.....hmmmm....

[fathom relic]

That wall of lead isn't getting touched, eaten or inhaled though

[pliant herald]

and they give you a "pouch" of lead to put upon "the boys" if you are a dude....

who says im eating the plastic from the wires that i strip?!?!?

and yes, touched!

and no, i dont inhale lead....WT....f?

[fathom relic]

no one's stopping you from buying the wires. and apparently there was a clear lead free layer covering the colored high lead layer, so in normal use, exposure would be minimal

[pliant herald]

anyways, good convo, dont believe the hype, have a good night!

[velvet pelican]

@late fulcrum well now my house is gonna have limit switches and its all your fault... thanks for the suggestions last weekish made me start thinkin about the possibilities and searching up parts

[pearl vigil]

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[grave crest]

Thanks @pearl vigil

[scenic field]

Hey guys had an non technical question figured will ask here. I am part of a college team, every year we go in few competitions. We wanted to work with Adafruit. Who will be the best person to contact?

[sick adder]

@scenic field I'd start with the links at https://www.adafruit.com/educators

[scenic field]

@sick adder I believe we tried that but got no response. I think because it is for educators specifically!

[sick adder]

If this is a school-organized thing then perhaps there is an educator involved who can work via those channels then?

[scenic field]

We have a few professors involved, but we try not to bother them! @sick adder Anyways thanks!

[dusty citrus]

@stuck moth How many screens do you have in you rsetup? Watched your brodcast and wonderd

[sinful lark]

This reminds me of Smokey the Bear commercials about forest fires:

[sick adder]

Inexplicable open to a professional article about PCB design: https://resources.pcb.cadence.com/blog/the-case-for-stitching-vias-on-your-pcb-2

“Circle the wagons.” We can find wisdom in these Pilgrim words

[stuck moth]

@dusty citrus I have one ultrawide monitor and the camera has a screen on it too

[burnt wave]

@sick adder "Picture if you will, that beach that is continuously crop-dusted by passenger airlines. If you had 100 dB isolation, you could hear the waves lapping while your hat takes its own flight from the jet-wash."

I'm dying

[sick adder]

now get somebody to do it again but with a rod sterling voice

[burnt wave]

Haha

Honestly that's the best explanation of decibels I've ever heard.

& I still don't get them.

[dusty citrus]

@stuck moth ok thanks!

[tardy badger]

Happy August 1st everyone! Or as I like to say, the start of pumpkin spice season.

[dusty citrus]

happy august to you too!

[velvet pelican]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/336571109430263816/734432908625838090/image0.jpg https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/336571109430263816/732450821199101972/image0.jpg

@dusty citrus ^

My panel will drive the steppers fir the slide tube mechanisms

And push the large slides out or in depending

[dusty citrus]

oh thats cool i didnt think u were actually building a house

[velvet pelican]

Yup its a tiny mansion

[dusty citrus]

when u said panel i was thinking a smart mirror or something idk

[velvet pelican]

Lol

I decided to go that route so i can add limit switches

Alot of spaghetti in that panel tho

[zealous ermine]

i added a new register to my cpu!

its a pointer register. 11 bits wide

it can be used for funky stuff like DMA and other weird things

i originally made it so i can play music lol (like reading a lot of memory sequentially)

it has 7 instructions tacked on to it

when i'm done with this project, i'm going to be making it available to buy online!

like a modern altair / imsai computer

[late fulcrum]

I approve of both of those! I remember the cool tricks you can do with the 1802's massive register set and DMA engine (like generate video with just a counter, latch, and sequencer).

[zealous ermine]

thats awesome!

WAIT GENERATE VIDEO?

WHAT?!

i need the documentation

[late fulcrum]

http://www.sunrise-ev.com/vip2k.htm

Fits in an Altoids tin, too.

I built one, it works (using a discarded karaoke player as a video monitor here)

Now I'm trying to condense it further, replacing the counter, (video sequencer) PROM, latch, and memory decoding with an FPGA, and replacing the RAM and (firmware) PROM with FRAM, yielding a 3-chip computer with video.

[zealous ermine]

oh my

a 3 chip computer with video

[tardy badger]

@late fulcrum that’s quite the undertaking

[late fulcrum]

I think of it more as assembling blocks someone else designed in a different way.

I could just implement the sequencer the way it is, as lookup tables, but I'm trying to figure out if I can derive the outputs combinatorially. Some of them are trivial.

Some of them, less so

[zealous ermine]

thats insane

[late fulcrum]

You're not wrong

[zealous ermine]

the gpu (if you can even call it that) that im designing for my computer is a 16x16 monochrome display

not really for text, but more for debugging

[late fulcrum]

Cool!

[zealous ermine]

this was an early test when i had it in 32x32 mode

[late fulcrum]

Wow, reminds me of a Williams tube display, which used a CRT as the display as well as the memory itself!

I LIKE it.

[zealous ermine]

i remember seeing a video on that some time ago!

its so weird seeing how before computers were transistorized, people had all these weird ways to do things

like delay line memory!

wow it really does look like a williams tube output now that you say it

[late fulcrum]

I had a calculator with delay line memory, it was cool. It also allowed the processing circuitry to be bit-serial.

[zealous ermine]

thats cool! i though delay line memory was only used in large computers

do you remember the name of it?

[late fulcrum]

I think it was a Singer-Friden. It had an odd CRT display where it drew 7-segment digits onto the screen. A really weird machine.

[zealous ermine]

was this it?

[late fulcrum]

Yeah, looks like I how I remember it

[zealous ermine]

a calculator with a built in crt.... thats so strange

[late fulcrum]

A little searching turns up this nice writeup http://www.vintagecalculators.com/html/friden_ec-130_-_ec-132.html

[zealous ermine]

nice!

old calculators were so strange

oh! you might find this interesting

this is my clock! made of 26 ICs

[late fulcrum]

Nifty!

[zealous ermine]

yeah!

[tardy badger]

Trying out wood PLA for the PBC vice I use regularly

[zealous ermine]

does it smell like wood?

[tardy badger]

Vaguely

It doesn’t smell as sweet as regular PLA

Cool thing is I can use wood stain on it if I wanted to.

[zealous ermine]

thats cool!

i've been thinking about making a bluetooth speaker housing for a while, and i want to make it from wood

issue is i dont have a wood working place near by, but i have a cr-10!

[tardy badger]

It’s a great option for enclosures.

Sand it down a little and apply your favorite stain and it comes out pretty nice.

[zealous ermine]

nice!

[tardy badger]

The southern humidity caused my other filament to expand so it was a great excuse to try it out and so far it’s really nice

[zealous ermine]

humidity is so annoying when it comes to printing

[tardy badger]

Yeah, I even have my stuff in a closet and it still messed with the filament

I hate throwing out $60 in filament

[zealous ermine]

i've only had to throw out material once

but it was petg 😦

[tardy badger]

I was printing like crazy during the start of COVID so I stocked up thinking demand was going to keep up

Luckily I’ve sold enough to cover the costs of what I bought, but still sucky

[zealous ermine]

yeah, that does suck

[tardy badger]

And I still have like 30 ear savers left

[zealous ermine]

i have a neat benchmark / testing thing i designed a few years back if u wanna have a go at printing it

[tardy badger]

That would be cool

[zealous ermine]

ok, here it is!

the scaling might be wrong

so the goal is to print it with little to no stringing

good luck

[tardy badger]

Thanks! I’ll slice it and test it out for ya once it vice finishes

[zealous ermine]

👌

[late fulcrum]

I use document storage bins with a foam sealing ring to store my filament.

[zealous ermine]

thats smart

[late fulcrum]

If it does absorb humidity, I dry it back out with a modified food dehydrator

Note: I added dessicator packs (the silver boxes) to the document bins to help keep the air dry.

[zealous ermine]

makes sense! i gotta try that out

[tardy badger]

That’s pretty smart

I’ve considered the air tight bins for filament

[zealous ermine]

bins also seem great because no dust

[tardy badger]

That too

I love seeing print progress from my phone

[zealous ermine]

octoprint!

[tardy badger]

It’s been a game changer

[zealous ermine]

my school has stratasys machines that have something like that built in

you put in the Ip of the machine, and you can see progress

[tardy badger]

I need to get a web cam and install spaghetti detective

[zealous ermine]

i've never had issues with spaghetti... yet

[tardy badger]

Lol the operative word there is yet

[late fulcrum]

Had one job running overnight for several small parts. About 2/3 of them printed fine, the rest were a bird nest.

[zealous ermine]

oh no!

the most risky print i had to do was an rc aircraft wing

it used the entire Z axis

[tardy badger]

Wow

So far so good. A wee bit of stringing

[zealous ermine]

👍

[spice moss]

remember its launch america deporting stream online now

[velvet pelican]

Nothing like a good coat of paint.

Ive had the best success with rustoleum paint for coverage. Anyone heard of or had good success with other brands? Ive tried many and havent found one that beats the rustoleum

[tardy badger]

Wood PLA skull pencil holder

[pearl vigil]

Oh awesome, I remember printing that skull years ago as a first print. If you make it huge it becomes a real conversation starter

[late fulcrum]

All kinds of things become conversation starters when you make them huge. But yes, that skull in particular.

[tardy badger]

Nice

My wife used the skulls for her paint brushes. The original file is tiny so I enlarged it 200%

[spice harness]

no pink LED emoji?, I had to use blue and red😩

[zealous ermine]

Big led!

[burnt tendon]

If you want to print the skull, you need to start with a small one and then work your way up.

Otherwise you'll get a head of yourself.

[pearl vigil]

Of course, natrual progression is of course to in the end have a giant one.

[zealous ermine]

Funny

[pearl vigil]

@late fulcrum what did you use for a lense on the LED?

[velvet pelican]

That led would be a bright flashlight at that size... make a maglight attachment for it and turn the night into day

[fallow sail]

Is it okay for me to post a GoFundMe link here? It's maker related

[burnt tendon]

When you get to the largest skull, you'll be so proud that you'll have a big head about it.

[dire viper]

Is anybody else watching SpaceX or NASA for the crewed dragon re-entry?

[tardy badger]

I want to but man I still remember watching Columbia re-entry and it makes me nervous. Hard to believe it’s been 17 years.

[dire viper]

@tardy badger ... whoa. it was 2003?

[tardy badger]

Yeah

Feb 1st 2003

[dire viper]

So much of the last 2 decades just accordions-down for me. I know a lot happened, but I think between sleep dep and chronic depression I just don't remember a lot of it.

I'm in my early 40's, though, so Challenger was the one that really got me.

[tardy badger]

Hard to forgot that day for me. It was tough. I grew up on the space coast. I watched Columbia launch

Challenger was 4 years before I graced the earth

Well, maybe 3

[dire viper]

The longer I am alive, the younger everybody seems to get.

🙃

[tardy badger]

I feel the same way. And I’ve still got two years till I hit 30

[dire viper]

Be careful about that. 30 hits back.

[tardy badger]

It’s true 😂

Finishing my bachelors at 27 on campus with these younger kids who only recently graduated high school makes me feel old man

[dire viper]

So, yeah, that makes sense. I grew up where I am right now, so the space shuttles were always something farther away, but I literally have a wall photo of the Columbia in my childhood bedroom. Bay doors closed, nose up, so either in glide phase or before re-entry.

But I have no idea whether the image is created, or 'shooped, or just taken from a chase plane.

@tardy badger What's really going to get you is when 10 years stops feeling like a significant age difference.

[tardy badger]

For people 10 years older, the gap doesn’t feel so bad

[glacial hemlock]

Hello anyone can help me to make a operating system

[tardy badger]

Maybe it’s just the perceived maturity level. Younger people coming out of high school have odd priorities to me.

[glacial hemlock]

for this device

im making

[tardy badger]

@glacial hemlock what’s the question?

[glacial hemlock]

Can someone help me make a os?

[pearl vigil]

That is quite the question

First off, there are so many OSes out there Im sure there is one that fits your needs, on the other hand if you're just trying to do it for an educational project, going into a discord and asking generically for help with it is a bit open ended as a OS is quite complex, with many steps that in of themselves requiring a lot of research and help from people with experience

What type of OS are you trying to make? In terms of platform support and architecture

And why are you making it?

There are multiple free resources on making your own OS to get started, open books like https://www.cs.bham.ac.uk/~exr/lectures/opsys/10_11/lectures/os-dev.pdf and github tutorials such as https://github.com/cfenollosa/os-tutorial and the pi is aparently not bad gor geting your feet wet https://github.com/s-matyukevich/raspberry-pi-os

You'll need to create a few demo projects before adventuring on your own to learn the basics of a bootloader, IPC, process management, etc. I would also practice making your own linux or Zephyr OS drivers, thats seen as a good starting point for kernel development

[glacial hemlock]

thank you

making a raspebrry pi tablet computer and trying to make my own Operating sytem

[pearl vigil]

Well if you want something like that, unless it is for an educational use case I would recommend making your own OS with a linux kernel. Linux is made up of millions of lines of code with tens of thousands of developers so its as fast and secure as possible. If you look at andriod, it uses the linux kernel for example

And most of the drivers will be written for you

[jovial swift]

Crew Dragon de-orbit sequence has begun...

[pearl vigil]

Oh sweet, gonna pop by the live stream

[late fulcrum]

@pearl vigil I used an Ikea HÄRLIGA glass dome for the lense

[dire viper]

I have been wondering how much delta-v they needed to de-orbit.

@somber tendon Are you just a lurker, or do you have a specific question?

@glacial hemlock What is the problem you're trying to solve by building your own OS?

[burnt tendon]

My generalized love of all things space kinda contends with my overall dislike of Elon Musk. 🤷

[zealous ermine]

why don't you like elon?

[dire viper]

@zealous ermine The list is long, but distinguished.

[zealous ermine]

makes sense. their are some things that he has done that i don't really like as well, but i think he is an ok person

[jovial swift]

Say what you will about him but he and SpaceX are in a small club, entities which have launched people to orbit : USSR, USA, PRC, Elon

[zealous ermine]

^^

[dire viper]

I'm willing to think good things about SpaceX while thinking Elon Musk is ... awful is probably which I should say to stay inside the ratings system.

[burnt tendon]

See, that's unnecessary hagiography because you might as well put the contractors that have made prior American spacecraft on the same level as SpaceX.

There was a giant effort done arguably quite poorly in the world of NewSpace between the 90s and 2000 to create the situation where NASA purchases space craft instead of supervising projects with contractors.

[dire viper]

@burnt tendon I think you're correct. I also think it's the case that there were multiple contractors on most USA spacecraft before now, whereas SpaceX is one company with subcontractors.

[burnt tendon]

A bunch of folks had been trying to do what SpaceX did, frequently with the same ideas, it's just that they weren't the children of South African emerald miners who left the country with their ill gotten gains in the aftermath of Apartheid.

[dire viper]

Which is a result of the privatization of launch vehicles.

...

Well, expletive, another reason to not like Musk.

I've met someone with some serious tea about how things run at Tesla, and why SpaceX is more successful. I haven't heard that story.

[burnt tendon]

Gary Hudson had about the same gift for talking people out of their money as Musk but less of his own, so all of his interesting-but-questionable ideas ended up running up against engineering difficulties before going anywhere.

I've had plenty of drinks both ex-Tesla and ex-SpaceX folks.

(I, for the record, don't think that highly of Gary Hudson either)

[jovial swift]

Wasn't trying to make him out to be a saint, i think of him more as the guy on an island with a cat in a 007 film, but thanks for a new word in my vocabulary 🙂

[dire viper]

....

You know...

... it makes a lot of sense if you assume that modern-day SPECTRE is aware that things are badly out of hand, and want to get off-world as quickly as possible.

[burnt tendon]

Niven's law: Anything worth doing in space is worth using as a weapon.

[jovial swift]

THEY want off-world, we get to stay here and mine...

[dire viper]

Then having a public-facing Bloefeld to get nation-state resources behind the escape plan seems like a good idea.

@burnt tendon I thought that was mostly about efficiency as reaction drives.

[burnt tendon]

I mean, try talking space colonization with the folks where being colonized was a giant traumatic part of their history and colonization is a dirty word.

Picture the fun you could have with a Starship full of tungsten crowbars.

[dire viper]

@burnt tendon Because Science did a thumbnail sketch on the Rods From God weapon limitations, and it's not as terrifying as I had thought.

[burnt tendon]

Or a bunch of butterfly-wing-thin starshades simultaneously deployed from a large enough batch of Starlink sats, which is simultaneously useful as a way to combat global warming as well as a wonderful way to geoengineer genocide.

[dire viper]

Though, also, that's because I've read The Forge of God, so now I think about relativistic anti-neutronium impactors.

[burnt tendon]

I mean, I guess the plus side is that mostly space stuff is too visibly useful for lobbing nuclear warheads so as to be covered by a wide swath of international treaties, as compared to things like AI or data mining.

[dire viper]

Yeah. Also, I'd rather lob nuclear explosives as my primary drive mechanism.

But, that's because I'm a crazy person who thinks the Orion drive is a fun idea.

🙂

[jovial swift]

drogues out!

4 mains out

[dire viper]

700m and falling

600m

And all the rockets safed.

"Space Dads"

[jovial swift]

WOO HOO

[zealous ermine]

i was playing osu and forgot about the spacex landing. i missed it live

😦

[sick adder]

If #general-chat is the channel for everything that is off topic for its own channel, what is on-topic for #general-chat? 🤯

[zealous ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/mindblown-amazed-explosion-space-omg-gif-10279314

[short pulsar]

@sick adder that statement was off-topic for here, so you must be in the right place.

[tardy badger]

😝

If you’re not using three screens to develop hardware, you’re wrong

[late fulcrum]

I'll do that once I've run the ethernet, power, and coax to the new network shelf, then relocated the printer off my desk to connect to the router (also giving my roommate the ability to print without disturbing me), THEN I'll have room on my desk for a third monitor. In the meantime, I'll settle for one big monitor and one medium sized one.

[tardy badger]

You’re getting there haha

I have my network gear in the living room and I run a 40ft cat6 to the master bedroom

Then split the internet to my NAS, my desktop, and my MacBook Pro

[late fulcrum]

Right now the network gear is near the cable entrance in the basement, but I've relocated the wireless access point to the new network shelf for better coverage of the rest of the house, but it's done with dangling cables.

[zealous ermine]

Ignore the dead pixels:/

3 screens is great!

i used to print out physical datasheets for ICs, but having it up without neeing to alt+tab is the best

plus using the search tool to find pin functions is also a massive bonus

[short pulsar]

My three screens seem inadequate.

[zealous ermine]

is that the touch oled screen?

[short pulsar]

The bigger screen has touch on it but I’ve never tried using it yet. Mostly working in CIrcuitPython libraries for displaying text. The 1.3” displays are really sharp but they are small. It was a lot easier when I switched to the bigger one, but maybe I’m just getting old.

Eventually I need to break down and put this into a box so I don’t have to keep fighting weirdness that happens with these loose wires.

[zealous ermine]

i've always wanted to get an oled, but they seem complicated

so i stick with the 16x2 charicter lcds

[short pulsar]

This is LCD I think.

[zealous ermine]

i also like the charicter lcd screens because the protocol is really simple

i got a c64 to interface with one using the user port

[umbral phoenix]

I put a 43" 4k display (on my RPi 4 for now), gives a good combination of lots of pixels but still very readable text, in an aspect ratio that I like. 4k displays at 27-32 or so, are great for hi-res image or video editing, but to me, either yield text that's too small, or readable text but setting them at reduced pixel resolution. The lack of "retina" pixel-combining doesn't seem to adversely affect the crispness of the text.

[delicate mulch]

Happy with two screens

[arctic peak]

<@&327289013561982976> ^^

[proven olive]

Thanks @arctic peak

[tardy badger]

Printing a larger PCB vice for bigger projects. Seeing how this holds up with wood PLA

[granite turtle]

does anyone recommend a UV-C device?

oops

I was looking to get a UV-C device does anyone have any recommendations?

long day 😴

[tardy jetty]

hey!

imma doin a chess tourna if anyone here does play it!

here!

https://lichess.org/tournament/BxtCfyBa

[late fulcrum]

@granite turtle There are many kinds of UV-C devices out there. The GTL-3 ones are fairly easy to drive, but not very powerful. The germicidal fluorescent tubes can operate in ordinary fluorescent fixtures (pictured), and are fairly efficient. There are some UV-C LED sources, but they're expensive and delicate.

[granite turtle]

hmm thank you, I was thinking of PhoneSoap because it looked like a travel size but if LED ones are delicate I wonder how long it'll last

@late fulcrum maybe I'll look at the UV-C wands 🤔

[late fulcrum]

There are those too, which use custom UVC tubes (there are also plenty of fake LED ones)

[granite turtle]

hmmm ok

I don't want to get a fake or cheap knockoff either, I don't always trust these but I guess I'll look for UV-C device reviews from a reputable site

[late fulcrum]

I've bought a few that are genuine ones they seem to be fine, if fairly low power.

[granite turtle]

any that you would recommend?

[late fulcrum]

I'd have to go dig through my notes

The short answer is avoid all the LED ones, they're fake

[granite turtle]

ah don't worry about it then, thank you avoiding the LED ones is a huge help 👍

[sick adder]

It's cool today, time for some baking

Pumpkin seed loaves

[ocean sigil]

Rise-up!

[velvet pelican]

You call 84 cool? Lol

[covert spire]

Yes, for where I live, it is!

[sweet mango]

How lovely.

[zealous ermine]

Swamp

[sweet mango]

Nope. Just a bench in the stream.

[delicate mulch]

that pole looks skew

[cedar kayak]

bruh

[ancient rivet]

@cedar kayak I'm one of the moderators, DM me for that and I will help

[cedar kayak]

okay

[late fulcrum]

I get scammy DMs like that from time to time too, but I don't know whether it's via the AdaFruit Discord or some other one.

[grave crest]

@late fulcrum and anyone else -- if you get them, best practice is to DO NOT respond. Report it to discord if possible, and if you share the Adafruit discord with them, let the Community Moderators know and we'll take a look into it.

[late fulcrum]

That's what we're asking: how to report it to Discord

[grave crest]

@late fulcrum That's a good question. For mods, it's rather direct -- but upon a quick glance, I'm not too sure how the process looks for a regular user. I'm going to look into this, as that's important for everyone.

[zealous ermine]

Hopefully i can get some movement soon!

[delicate mulch]

nice design

[zealous ermine]

Thanks!

Its a bit janky to assemble, but it seems to hold itself together

[delicate mulch]

pneumatics too, I havent played with those since a lego kit when I was 9

[zealous ermine]

Yeah! I decided a 6dof arm was too complicated for me to design, so i went with 4

And a gripper was proving to be hard, so i bought a small suction cup and vacuum adapter

Im going to be driving it with an adafruit motor board!

[tardy badger]

Great show that launched on Netflix on August 2nd, Connected. It’s pretty interesting. Pretty sciency.

[late fulcrum]

I was eyeing that, looked interesting

[tardy badger]

The most interesting me so far is the one on Benford’s Law

[dusty citrus]

looks kinda interesting

reminds me of mindfield

[velvet pelican]

@stuck moth for troll and spammer reduction ive seen a couple things done. one is to make them stay oin the rules page and have them accept the terms of the rules before they get to post. the other is the ten minute wait before posting which does stop alot of trolls cuz they dont want to stick around that long to just troll usually

[stuck moth]

ya, we may need to do the rules thing. we should already have the 10 minute wait

[velvet pelican]

its not perfect with discord

when i joined there was no wait

[stuck moth]

yup. it's gotten worse recently

[velvet pelican]

but thats just discord being discord

i personally hate the ten minute wait

but i get the purpose

[stuck moth]

ya, luckily folks are understanding 🙂

[velvet pelican]

the reading the rules thing i like more personally like so when a person does something against them its pretty easy to point out they agreed to them

your mods do a good job tho and the community here in general is pretty cool

[stuck moth]

thanks! we'll keep working on it

[velvet pelican]

yup and if i run across any other good ideas ill let ya know

[stuck moth]

thanks! we're always looking for new ways to make moderation easier

[velvet pelican]

well since covid the issues with trolls and spammers has jumped alot

so till this blows over i think there is gonna be an increased amount of it

[stuck moth]

hopefully. we'll get better at moderating regardless though 🙂

[velvet pelican]

nothing wrong with that

[delicate mulch]

I find the presenter on Connected a bit irritating

[hasty quarry]

What are these diagrams?

[late fulcrum]

Looks like a diagram of the large scale structure of the universe?

[hasty quarry]

TON-618 is the largest known black hole

I was watching a video about it, and it showed that

What are those webs, that looks weird

[late fulcrum]

It is weird, and reflects our slowly improving understanding of the universe. It turns out galaxies are arranged into this peculiar looking structure instead of being evenly distributed

[hasty quarry]

Oh gosh

[velvet pelican]

The galaxy is a purple sponge is all im getting from that

[polar bloom]

Hmm, soldering is a lot harder with the ceiling fan blowing.

It gets rid of the fumes but it also cools down the tip of the soldering iron. 😄

[late fulcrum]

Perhaps a better regulated soldering iron would be useful (I have similar issues with my 3D printer sometimes when the air conditioner is running)

[crystal ore]

At large scales in the universe, the way that structures form is kind of like dimensional collapse. You start with a 3D volume of gas, and it collapses to kind of a crumpled-paper bunch of sheets, then the 2D sheets collapse into a crumpled mesh of strings, and then the 1D strings collapse into separate small clumps. And the galaxies form there.

So the result we see today has galaxies arranged sort of along filaments, with big galaxy clusters where the filaments intersect, and large empty voids between them.

[dull sparrow]

I thought those webs had to do with gravity

The center of those clumps being a point the clusters orbit around. And the rest being empty space

[crystal ore]

It is all gravitational, yes. All the matter attracts each other, and small deviations from uniformity grow into the centers of further collapse.

[grave crest]

Gravity? That's heavy, Doc.

[arctic peak]

I certainly didn't expect you to weigh in..

[dull sparrow]

we will have a falling out with those puns...

[grave crest]

I see our sense of seriousness is floating away.

[umbral phoenix]

The force will be with U-niverse, always.

[crystal ore]

Geez, folks, these puns are awful...

[burnt tendon]

Sounds like they weight heavily upon you

[real falcon]

the gravity of this matter concerns me

[covert spire]

It's amazing how heavy of convo gets when you can pun gravity

[grave crest]

Puns tend to attract other puns -- just look at how this conversation has grown.

[real falcon]

careful though since puns have strong force, you would need a lot of will to split it

[serene slate]

dm me alexandre

@austere seal

dm me

[delicate mulch]

Wondering why my relay is getting so hot then I realized they are 3.3V not 5V 🤦

[hasty quarry]

Did I find him? Is that him?

Or is that a red herring

What do you guys think

[short bone]

yes its him

[dusty citrus]

man only if there was a this where's waldo doesn't exist

[hazy inlet]

@hasty quarry Nope, that's his twin brother; aldo. Waldo doesn't exit... Anymore .

[real falcon]

poor waldo cant exit? is he in prison?

[sick adder]

The Si5351 clock generator has as many rules as the German transit system, it's so confusing.

[zealous ermine]

Eyedrops are hard to aim

It took me 3 tries

[velvet pelican]

Lol

Just stuff the tip of the dropper in your eye

[zealous ermine]

👀

[late fulcrum]

That's the sort of advice I'd expect from Dr. House 😬

[sick adder]

My experiments in homemade chocolate nut spreads continues. 2 parts chocolate ganache with 3 parts sunflower seed butter (also homemade). Spread on toast with butter.

All because our neighborhood grocery doesn't carry Nutella

[tardy badger]

Nice

[sick adder]

This is batch 4 and it's the best yet

[tardy badger]

I love cooking and experimenting myself

[zealous ermine]

that looks REALLY good!

[tame saddle]

we've had Nutella shortages at our store. kiddo is unhappy...

[zealous ermine]

supply chain has been hit hard...

[ocean sigil]

As a teenager, I worked in a Carvel Ice Cream store. We wer allow to eat our mistakes... I did not eat ice cream for 20 years after my 2nd week....

[sick adder]

It's a tragedy that they're called "webhooks" and not "web-boops"

[grave crest]

That's what they're called in the alternate timeline.

[tardy badger]

Haha

[delicate mulch]

Everyone always shares tidy desk pictures. This is what mine looks like when I'm lost in the rabbit hole of 3 simultaneous projects

[sick adder]

this is fairly horrifying https://github.com/Manawyrm/pata-gpio

[tardy badger]

Yikes

[late fulcrum]

Not a whole lot worse than the early implementations

[zealous ermine]

nothing better then the smell of burning LED drivers in the morning!

i pulled too much current in my project 😦

[tardy badger]

Nothing like an earthquake to get you shook first thing in the morning

[idle lion]

I am grateful the only one I have ever experienced was minor and I was still asleep. I remember feeling a weird jostling of the bed but it wasn't enough to keep me awake. I learned later in the morning that it had been earthquake.

[tardy badger]

I was sitting enjoying coffee. I only noticed it because my couch was shaking

Haha

[polar bloom]

Every time a bus drives by my house (2x per hour), it feels like an earthquake. 😄

[velvet pelican]

Your coffee didn’t spill?

[burnt tendon]

I was shaken by the experience.

[tardy badger]

Luckily not. Would have made for a bad day

[zealous ermine]

Ive only experienced 1 earthquake before

It wasnt a bad one, but enough to freak me out a little

[sick adder]

https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit-MS8607-PCB

https://github.com/adafruit/CircuitPython

[zealous ermine]

My ICs are now organized

Feels good

[tardy badger]

Wow nice

[zealous ermine]

Thanks!

Thats the collection

[dusty rivet]

Breadboard master

[zealous ermine]

Yea, those are some of my old projects

[sinful lark]

I almost died laughing when I was driving just now.

When I was waiting at a red light I saw what I thought was a CHP Ford Explorer. Once I got closer, I realized that "California Highway Patrol" was actually "California Safety Agency"... in the exact same color and font that CHP uses. The car had a lightbar, pushbar, and all the equipment typical of a police car.

I looked on the company website (they're security), and I saw " designed to resemble local law enforcement cars"... what a bunch of goofballs!

[velvet pelican]

That’s almost as good as the cardboard cutout rig they had on the coastal highway here

[sinful lark]

It just makes me a little bit uncomfortable that someone who’s so unqualified can (legally?) resemble law enforcement.

[dawn thistle]

I just remembered that X Æ A-Xii has already caused problems

His original name was X Æ A-12 but the numerical digits weren't valid in the state computer systems

[late fulcrum]

I'll be tempted to read that as if were similar to "Frederick March IV", so "XÆA the negative twelfth".

[wheat peak]

I just remembered that X Æ A-Xii has already caused problems
@dawn thistle I'm still confused. Who in the right mind names someone that?

[polar bloom]

in the right mind
That's the key thing.

[zealous ermine]

X Æ A-Xii memes are great

[tacit veldt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwWMaReMUio

[burnt wave]

@tacit veldt that seems offtopic even for #general-chat.

[dusty citrus]

;)

[tacit veldt]

well it is the offtopic channel so what can i say

[lilac tangle]

@tacit veldt what is the context of that video? Just pasting a link without any explanation isn't very helpful.

[tacit veldt]

its just a cool instrumental theme

[idle lion]

I the future it would be great if you can include a quick note about the link when you post it. Dropping a link by itself is behavior typical of spammers so it "trips our warning system" so to speak.

[tacit veldt]

ok

thank you

[idle lion]

Yep, thank you as well.

[weary fiber]

I want a "get stickbugged" speedcore remix, very badly

[zealous ermine]

Yes please

[zealous ermine]

bnc time

[sick adder]

It ended up not doing the job but I like how the enclosure ("natural" PETG) came out.

[zealous ermine]

it looks nice

[late fulcrum]

I'm wondering how it would look with a light in it

After reading that older electrolytic capacitors tend to hold up better than modern ones, I got curious and dug out a "Mershon" condenser from a radio built in 1928-9, one of the earliest electrolytic capacitors. It was rated at two 4µF units. That 90+ year old capacitor now measures 4.8µF in one section and 5.2µF in the other, still well within spec. I'm impressed.

[real falcon]

dang that one will likely last few more years to be 100 years old

[dire viper]

"Are we going to be clever about this?" "Why start now?"

[hasty quarry]

Are medicine doctors the most valuable people?

In terms of economy and fields of study, I just wonder if it's true. 90% of my friends in high school are getting into a medicine pathway, but not all of them seem like they'll be able to take how brutally intense it is (In my opinion, knowing them)

I just wonder why it's such a common decision. Ironically, wouldn't medicine be decreasing in value (per professional) with so much interest in it?

[grave crest]

I'd like to think that one can find value in any field of study -- you need a baker, garbageman, and grocery store clerk just as much as a Doctor.

Is being a Doctor a lot more work and certifications? Yep. It's also very intense with strong competition.

However, I don't see the medical field having a surplus anytime soon, but it's something that could happen.

Now, if you have two Doctors meet each other at the same time -- that could be trouble. Tears in the fabric of space and time, etc.

[burnt wave]

I see what you did there

https://tenor.com/view/doctor-who-dr-who-david-tennant-smile-laugh-gif-3963005

[late fulcrum]

In the Surgeon Simulator video game, if you don't remove the original heart before installing the new one in the "heart transplant" quest, you get the "Vwoop! Vwoop! Create a Timelord" trophy.

[burnt wave]

Haha

[pearl vigil]

@hasty quarry not a career I would want to start atm, AI is making doctors a lot more effective and we wont need nearly as many per capita while the ones remain will be quite competitive. Medical doctors make a lot of mistakes and so far solutions like Watson are enabling more accurate treatments and diagnosises faster with fewer doctors. If you want a job that will last Harvard says be a nurse. And "most valuable people" is a strange way to look at it, I would say in terms of economy farmers are probably #1.

Or be a paramedicine doctor

[polar bloom]

AI is making doctors a lot more effective
Well... only if you believe the hype.

[pearl vigil]

I mean, obviously dont believe the marketing material. But the body is very complicated, with more ways to fail than you can remember. The only way to give effective treatment to everyone is use hard data captured from a patient, according to studies doctors are inaccurate due to finanical incentives, bias, misconceptions, and the fact a large part of the information gathered is communication with the patient rather than biomechanics quantification

[polar bloom]

A good blog on AI in medicine: https://lukeoakdenrayner.wordpress.com

[tardy badger]

Curious if anyone has had an interview where it feels like it was rough but still got an offer?

[pearl vigil]

And take for example the nerual networks that scan for cancer, doctors give way more false positive and negatives than a machine according to early research. What takes an entire team of docors and consultants from potentially multiple hospitals days or weeks and still get wrong quite often, a program can do in minutes with higher accuracy.

That is a good looking blog, but remember that humans being effective doctors that can give effective took almost two centuries, and it will take a while to remove bias and bad data, which already exists in human doctors today. The blog in the couple posts I read also makes points that do agree with what Im saying, its dangerous right now, but in the few cases of success the AI is spinning circles around the humans

[tardy badger]

I’ve started the arduous process of applying for new graduate roles, and I had an interview today. It was a bit rough. Realizing there is a little bit of a gap between some fundamentals that were not covered in my classes.

[pearl vigil]

AI in medicine wont really be a thing for a very long time as it should be, but its coming

[tardy badger]

More related to CS fundamentals than EE fundamentals

[pearl vigil]

@tardy badger seems a lot of interviews to me dont have as much to do with the specific fundamentals, but the basis you have, and your ability to build on it to fill those gaps. Worst think you can do is stress about it

[polar bloom]

a program can do in minutes with higher accuracy
Again, still more hype than reality.

[pearl vigil]

At this moment, sure

Practically

[tardy badger]

They mentioned it was more about approach than accuracy

[polar bloom]

Just because a research paper / blog post from Google claims that a machine performs better than a group of humans on some test dataset doesn't mean that AI outperforms humans in real tasks.

Will AI at some point truly outperform humans? Sure. But those tasks are only a small portion of what a radiologist does, apparently.

[pearl vigil]

Depends on the radiologist... I know one who just looks at images all day long and thats it

And the amount of harm caused by doctors is quite staggering

Take just the 10% false positive rate of breast cancer as a single data point

[polar bloom]

All I'm saying is that people in the field of AI / ML tend to exaggerate how well their models work (and I'm saying this as someone who works in that field). 😉

[pearl vigil]

100%, Im not disagreeing with that

[tardy badger]

Take just the 10% false positive rate of breast cancer as a single data point
@pearl vigil not to mention inaccuracies in identifying the type of breast cancer. Last figure I saw was 40% of breast cancer patients received unnecessary treatment leading to a wide range of detrimental side effects

[pearl vigil]

Yeah, Im not saying like all doctors are gone, but from what I see, I have the opionon that AI someday will be a tool that allows doctors to make better diagnosis and treatment amung a larger group of people.

[burnt tendon]

Hm, so a common CS fundamentals interview technique is to aggressively go hard on quizzing you past what they actually expect you to know, mostly to be jerks, but also because then they can see how you deal with not knowing things.

[tardy badger]

I usually just say it was outside of what I learned in class

Or I simply don’t know or remember

[burnt tendon]

Also, considering that they keep failing to take into account how to design pulse oxometers for people with dark skin, WHICH IS REALLY REALLY PAINFULLY OBVIOUS IF YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE A COLLECTION OF LEDS AND A FRIEND WITH DARK SKIN, plus the way that most of the AI stuff I've seen is either extremely mediocre or just laundering bias, I've got a fairly negative feeling for AI in medicine.

[tardy badger]

Which is better than faking it till you make it

I was also questioned about my gpa which isn’t stellar

I have a 3.25, but a lot of managers want 3.5+

Though GPA is a sensitive subject for me. I’m kind of passionate about employers not judging candidates by their GPA, but their ability to apply knowledge.

[burnt tendon]

Yeah, I've come to the conclusion that CS interviewing is basically abusive.

Like, no real good way to sugar coat it. It's designed to select a bunch of people from privileged backgrounds with a particular sort of mindset and who won't protest too much when you ask them to do something ethically questionable or try to start a union.

[tardy badger]

Doesn’t seem to far off from my experience as a whole

[sick adder]

I would like a 3D printed Star Wars arcade control yoke please https://hackaday.com/2020/08/12/miniature-star-wars-arcade-lets-you-blow-up-the-death-star-on-the-go/

[pearl vigil]

Does the exaust shaft scale aswell? If its any smaller than a womp rat you might have some issues

[grave crest]

That's a work of art!

[fluid forum]

any one here ever try to fix a lead holder ?

[hasty quarry]

Is Hawking Radiation matter?

From what I've heard, it sounds like it

But I assumed energy was the only thing that could "radiate"

[pearl vigil]

From what Im reading about, its radiating from a black hole, so a twist on what you would think of as radiation and would be a quantum effect that heavily involves particles, but is a area of space where particles no longer reside, not to say they just dont exist anymore, and that is the end of what I can grasp in a short peiod of time. So I guess by that logic quantum effects can transfer energy which I think would support the theory of gravity

But that was an interesting bit of reading, total stab in the dark from someone who knows nothing and just read it I guess no....

And that would be totally ignoring its possible gravity is a particle that is related to a quantum effect that we cant observe

But thats a tangent

[hasty quarry]

I see

On the topic of black holes then

What exactly is the black of a black hole

I keep thinking it's the event horizon or something

Like, do they have an "edge", like stars do?

[crystal ore]

Hawking radiation is mostly just low-energy photons. It's thermal, and typically quite cold.

The black is because any light that falls on it just falls in, so you don't get any reflection like a normal object.

[pearl vigil]

I see there are photons involved... maybe I dont understand this properly then

[hasty quarry]

So it's not the true edge

Are they made of anything else but their singularity? How can they be so huge?

[crystal ore]

The gravity is so strong that it distorts the path of light around it, so getting a good view is fairly challenging anyway.

They were originally made of a stellar core, but once they collapse into a black hole, there's not really anything normal that they are made of any more.

[hasty quarry]

Is a "bigger" black holes singularity just bigger? Since the matter got to a point where it just couldn't squeeze more, so the singularity just had to get bigger?

[crystal ore]

The "size" of a black hole is really the size of the event horizon, which is determined by the mass.

[hasty quarry]

Hm

[crystal ore]

It's kind of like digging a round-bottomed pit in the ground. If you want a 10-foot diameter pit, you have to get rid of a certain amount of soil. If you dig out more soil, you end up with a 20-foot diameter pit. The mass of the black hole is the soil, and the size of the pit is the event horizon.

[hasty quarry]

I'm feeling....

Solipsistic for some reason

Given enough time, everything that can happen will happen an infinite amount of times

[real falcon]

somewhere in extremely low probility branch of tree, there is someone who couldn't get tails on coin flip, ever

[hasty quarry]

For all our consciousness knows, the universe could be going through an infinite amount of iterations between every nanosecond we perceive until making a new reality that formed the next nanosecond

Infinity scares me.....

Right now, I'm typing this sentence on my computer in the exact same way as I will an infinite number of times, after having lived the exact same life, met the same people. Everything

I could be the first iteration. Or the last. Or all of them at once

[dusty citrus]

Parts of the universe are receding from us faster than the speed of light.

Nothing that happens in those regions can affect us.

[real falcon]

yep light cant even reach us now. what we see is just light that was emitted before it crossed that threshold

[dusty citrus]

thats depressing :(

well at least in the future we might be able to puncture wormholes and travel ftl

[hasty quarry]

We already have

[real falcon]

or any form of ftl would work

[hasty quarry]

An infinite number of times

If it’s possible for us to do it, we have already

And we’ll do it again, and again, and again, and again, and again

[dusty citrus]

ftl or wormholes?

[hasty quarry]

Both, if they’re possible

[dusty citrus]

wormholes most likely

wait nvm

I was like theres no way you can travel ftl

but theres like this design that bends space

[real falcon]

yeah

problem is we need negative mass

[dusty citrus]

like antimatter?

[real falcon]

nah thats still normal mass weight

[dusty citrus]

ohhh

[real falcon]

negative mass by itself would be truly useful

I mean, make something near equal on normal and negative mass it weights nearly nothing

[dusty citrus]

ahh

[real falcon]

imange zepplin that has all of its weight cancelled except controllable weights

its lift power would be very high

[dusty citrus]

yeah

negative mass would be p useful

maybe hover cars? 👀

[real falcon]

yeah though keep in mind low result mass means low momeium too

so you cant have very fast near zero mass object unless engine is very powerful

what would be awesome is if theres a way to convert to either direction on go

thats free launches to space easy.

[dusty citrus]

ah yea

but by time we're actually able to produce negative mass efficiently we'll be able to have those types of engines n stuff

[real falcon]

likely

its hard to predict what will be found

like true e=mc2

those reactors and fusion is toys that barely touch on that

[dusty citrus]

lmao yea

[hasty quarry]

Some people are telling me

That time isn’t infinitely granular theoretically

They’re saying planck time is the smallest possible measurement

But that’s all it is, a measurement

It may be the best we can do to measure it, but I don’t think that means time as a concept has to stop there in terms of small scale

[polar bloom]

There is a reason why quantum mechanics uses the word quantum. 😉

[crystal ore]

I'd say the science is still up in the air about things like that. We don't have experiments yet that can probe the Planck scale.

[dusty citrus]

Penrose is fairly sceptical (using brit spelling of 'skeptical') wrt QM generally.

He seems to reiterate we don't have a proper description of what QM addresses, quite yet.

So all the talk of quantum this and quantum that gets something of an eye-roll from (Roger) Penrose.

It's impressive how many careers are staked on what amounts to untestable ideas.

[crystal ore]

Heh, to be fair, Penrose gets a certain amount of eye-rolls from other scientists too. But yeah, quantum mechanics has been very successful in terms of being to mathematically explain experimental data, but less so in terms of figuring out "what's really going on".

[dusty citrus]

;) Hey I'm a Penrose fan by far. I get that he's a bit 'fringe' in some regards.

[crystal ore]

Same... I got a lot out of "Emperor's New Mind". Don't agree with everything he says, but the ideas are often worthy of consideration and debate.

[burnt tendon]

I can't get drunk around physicists because I'll yell at them for mucking about with weird quantum stuff and not working on the warp drive hard enough.

[dusty citrus]

@crystal ore at least you're in a position to disagree or to agree. ;)

There's no warp drive.

NASA should be horse-whipped for suggesting otherwise.

It's just science fiction.

So far the only thing we know about that is faster than light, that's not massless, is the universe itself and its expansion.

The far away part is moving away from us, faster than light.

But nothing is travelling faster than light. ;)

Einstein explained this fairly well.

[tardy badger]

Two objects moving away from each other at the speed of light an an interesting phenomena that Einstein was particularly interested.

Also that stopping from the speed of light was basically impossible

[dusty citrus]

Oh I didn't realize that'd also be the case. That's a nice fine point.

DeGrasse Tyson was trying to put it out there that mining asteroids == good use of our tech base and my friend pointed out the delta-V issue with harvesting mass from the asteroid belt.

[topaz juniper]

Where do I suggest a new product? I feel like Adafruit could really use a backpack for https://www.adafruit.com/product/1399, but it's been 7 years, and there isn't one, although the description implies that they were planning one.

[fathom relic]

The idea of warp drive would be you are changing the curvature of space and so not really moving faster than light. There are 2 problems, 1. we don't kno how to do that, and 2. even the theory appears to need an amount of energy on the order of a whole galaxy.

Mining asteroids would have to be done with slow efficient delta V, either something like solar sail or using lightweight atoms present in an ion drive, and also would need to use gravitational maneuvers. The asteroid belt would be a long term target, we'd start with near earth asteroids, by the time those are done you should have infrastructure built up to work your way out to the asteroid belt.

[real falcon]

@hasty quarry not really, its simply the bottom size and time spacetime can have. There is literally no smaller size. Picture this, lcd screen you can draw any size squares, but you can't draw below pixel size. Basically same for time

[dusty citrus]

I have a problem with FreeBSD

[real falcon]

space is very amgious at that scale

[dusty citrus]

when i installed FreeBSD on a PC i have it just doesnt boot

it says no OS detected

[late fulcrum]

Might need a smarter bootloader

[zealous ermine]

Has anyone here stepped on an IC before?

Its like 10× worse then a Lego

[real falcon]

yeah because youre suddenly a cyborg

[short bone]

oof

[polar bloom]

Plus you need to bend all the pins back.

[buoyant breach]

you're suddenly a DIP socket

[zealous ermine]

Last night i knocked over a bunch of 74595s and was trying to pick them up, and i stepped on one

It was bad, but it still works!

[velvet pelican]

It was bad, but it still works!
Does this mean that stepping on it made it not bad anymore?

[burnt tendon]

Well, they do usually fix bugs with every stepping.

[tardy badger]

I’m a terribly impatient person when it comes to ordering things on the internet

Probably because Amazon Prime has groomed me for 1 and 2 day shipping lol

Anything like the postal service seems like it’s being transported with a horse and buggy

[late fulcrum]

DigiKey excels at getting genuine stuff into my hands quickly, but luckily I bought the contents of a Radio Shack a while back so I have a parts stash ready to go for those late night times when I need another diode.

[burnt tendon]

...because you might die if you don't get your diode.

[late fulcrum]

I do get frustrated when I need a part that it takes time to obtain

[burnt tendon]

One of the advantages to how my brain works is that I feel compelled to have 2-3 projects going at once, so I can mostly deal with exactly one batched order per month.

The disadvantage is the pile of projects that take forever to complete

[tardy badger]

That sounds like an advantage to me

[late fulcrum]

I normally have several projects going at once, and I'll task switch when waiting for parts (like the old VMS job scheduling algorithm that just tried to keep everything waiting for I/O)

[candid wolf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JZG9x_VOwA Found this really cool, thought I'd share. Had a vauge idea of how this all worked, but now I have a less vauge understanding of how it all works, lol

[zealous ermine]

Ive always wanted to know that

Rf communications is so cool

SDR is what got me curious about it

[sick adder]

Somebody's making a calculator

[grave crest]

looks at photo

Yup. That adds up.

[sick adder]

It'll be an RPN calculator because of course many people who care deeply about calculators have a warm spot in their hearts for RPN. I have a good start on the software running as desktop python for the moment .. https://gist.github.com/45d30488fe25cf696510cd2c1e7d8323

[burnt tendon]

Oh good, I was looking for a postfix fix.

[umbral phoenix]

What calculator in its right mind wouldn't have RPN? 😉

[rocky aspen]

why can't git bipity bopity your code is now my property <url> be a command in git

[sinful lark]

My guess is copyright laws.

[zealous ermine]

I wish it was

I would cry laughing

[delicate mulch]

Somebody's making a calculator
@sick adder Who?

[sick adder]

... me ? I figured you'd guess

[burnt tendon]

It's not something to take lightly. Everybody who does it does it as a... calculated move.

[idle iron]

rant = hate how i cant use a very easy password for accounts i really dont care if they get hacked.... rather risk it then have to write down it somewhere or recover every-time i want to login.... wish was some kind of agreement or something to allow super common passwords

[late fulcrum]

Especially stuff I have to use with a weird on-screen keyboard

[pearl vigil]

Use a password manager?

[real falcon]

all my website logins is unique. would i remember em all? nah

keepass works well

[pearl vigil]

And its two clicks, no amount of typing required!

[real falcon]

i use specifically keepassxc as that ones still current developing

[dusty citrus]

Just take a cryptographic hash, using one short secret password, with the domain or the login as the salt, truncated to 10 chars.

$ echo "secret.amazon" | md5sum

Every 9 months, change 'secret'.

[idle iron]

ill try portableapp version of KeePass on a usb

ty guys

[sinful lark]

First day of school's tomorrow.

[hazy inlet]

🤖

[real falcon]

my first day of school is at unknown date

[sick adder]

New mouse pad

[ocean sigil]

better than using your knee

[sinful lark]

How old is that mouse?

[polar bloom]

Looks late 1990s.

[grave crest]

Good mice were made to last.

[polar bloom]

Just need to clean the fluff out every once in a while. 😄

[burnt tendon]

Hey, if your buddy helps you debug a problem using their hardware debugger, does that mean you had a friend JTAG along?

[covert spire]

New wireless/wired mechanical keyboard

I figured it wasn't Show&tell because it came pre-built

[stray wind]

@covert spire Everybody loves keyboards, DIY or otherwise. It's absolutely still Show and Tell.

[sick adder]

I. Dentifier. Extension.

[short pulsar]

Speaking of creatures that are overly-Dentified, has Lars “the bringer of nightmares” made an appearance recently?

[rocky aspen]

lol that keyboard looks like a unicorn puked on it. I like it

[real falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/unicorn-rainbow-fly-magical-animated-gif-12782614

vomit? nah

[minor fulcrum]

I could never go back to dome keys again, the key travel is just way too much for me

[sick adder]

wild how such a nice digital signal can be recovered from the analog waveforms by a CAN transceiver.

[pearl vigil]

Lol, I told you @sick adder , those cables are for hanging clothing on not sending sensor data from your shed!

Very impressive

[sick adder]

They've not long per se

[pearl vigil]

Wow, guess not

[late fulcrum]

The electrical environment in an automobile is pretty horrible, so the equipment designed for that tends to be pretty robust and tolerant.

[pearl vigil]

I imagine, though I've been seeing single pair ethernet which is said to be used in cars, I wonder how that compares

[late fulcrum]

It's somewhat less sensitive to coupled noise, and somewhat resembles a transmission line.

[velvet pelican]

I could see single pair phone line working well since its solid core and not stranded wire

[delicate mulch]

I just spent an hour modelling a potentiometer for a design :/

[sick adder]

nice result

fibonnaci numbers on RPN: enter 0 RET 1 to start. Then DUP ROLL + to get the next one. how much more convenient than a traditional calculator.

[delicate mulch]

I've told myself before I can buy the new flightsim game I have to design my own joystick

this looks a bit... odd

pretty much my first time using fusion form tool

[late fulcrum]

That would make a nice grip for a Ghostbusters style "neutron wand"

[delicate mulch]

now with a yoke mechanism

or whatever you call that bit

I want to use a 10 turn pot and then connect them with a 10:1 gear ratio

get like super precision

[late fulcrum]

Note: many 10 turn pots have an annoying amount of backlash

[delicate mulch]

that's why I've got these fancy Vishay ones

which are servo rated

on the other hand, maybe optical encoders are more reliable?

anyone got a joystick, crack that baby open and tell me what's inside 😛

all the cheap ones I had as a kid just had cheapo 10k pots

[delicate mulch]

feeling gears are a bad idea

[umbral phoenix]

TFW this is the most recent shipping update August 12, 2020 In Transit, Arriving Late Your package will arrive later than expected, but is still on its way. It is currently in transit to the next facility.

[delicate mulch]

Well with that I better call it a night. Stupid day jobs

[late fulcrum]

Herringbone gears!

[zealous ermine]

Why not encoders?

[delicate mulch]

yeah I went with herringbone because less backlash and thought it might print stronger

@zealous ermine I don't know why not encoders

I don't have any high CPR encoders in my wall of many things

having absolute positioning seems better on a joystick

otherwise every power on needs a calibration

[delicate mulch]

lesson learned. Don't put a collar on a herringbone gear

[late fulcrum]

Sounds like a good lesson, but I didn't follow. Why not?

[delicate mulch]

because it self centers and I didnt leave any clearance on the collar

on the plus side my fears of the gear ratio introducing too much friction were unfounded it spins quite nicely

is the right word friction?

when its harder to spin gears with a high ratio

[late fulcrum]

Ah, that makes sense. I'm having similar issues with this planetary gear transmission.

[sick adder]

Writing a new configuration (register map) to the RAM consists of pausing the LOL state-machine, ...

Apparently this stands for "PLL Loss Of Lock"

[delicate mulch]

one axis so far, and it is sooo silky smooth

I guess you aren't going to find ball bearings in most gaming joysticks 😄

[short pulsar]

This is definitely “on-topic” for the showandtell channel. Looks great! Keep posting your progress.

Especially enjoy the herringbone gears. Difficult to machine but easy to 3D print! Was told they are less noisy than spur gears, yours sound oh so smooth.

[minor fulcrum]

less noise and less backlash/play!

[zealous ermine]

Send us the STLs when ur done! I want to make one myself!

[late fulcrum]

or 3MF if you have interesting slicer configurations

[rocky aspen]

@delicate mulch are you going to be putting the files on thingiverse?

[delicate mulch]

No, I think Ill make an opensource project for it

Not a fan of Thingiverse anymore

[sick adder]

@delicate mulch something I've been working on that may be of interest: https://github.com/jepler/cookiecutter-mystl

It's in a very raw state but it has the basics (3d viewer, model download, hosts on github pages)

[delicate mulch]

neat!

[velvet pelican]

@velvet nexus what kind of metal art are you lookin for

[zealous ermine]

How many intel 4004s will it take to run windows...

I know thats like 102% impossible, but i like to think about it

(Or linux, gotta have arch!)

[sinful lark]

I mean, I've seen linux "run" on an AVR before, so it might be possible. Who knows!

[short pulsar]

https://twitter.com/365ofpac/status/1292901496049238018?s=20

365ofPac (@365ofpac)

Day 224: Pac-Cubed? Arcade & game fans will probably be intrigued by this WOWCube (@WowCubetm) product, a mixed reality game platform that combines video screens with Rubik's Cube style play. Looks fascinating, especially with a Pac-Man cameo in this prototype video. I'd play...

▶ Play video

Twitter

This PAC-MAN Rubik’s cube is insane.

[delicate mulch]

that is super cool!

[sick adder]

Wow this was not a good soldering job (my own work)

[orchid zephyr]

This is what old school rappers mean when they say that someone “has no flow”.

[dusty citrus]

;)

The melt temperature looks good, though.

[burnt tendon]

That thing when you realize that the reason why the Arduino GUI wasn't programming your device was because it somehow randomly changed from programming a ATTiny84 and was instead trying to program an ATMega328. :/

[dusty citrus]

Worse: you uploaded the bonged code .bin to the target. ;)

and now it woan do nothin anymore

[sinful lark]

I can’t believe YouTube deleted Leafy’s channel.

[lapis bluff]

@sick adder At least they're all under soldered, I remember in my early days with soldering where I'd just end up with one continuous string of solder connecting all the pins on each side. That's much harder to clean up than an under application of solder.

[gray glacier]

I did it again..... AGAIN!?!!?!? i left the soldering iron on overnight. (pls help im starting to get scared of my stupidity) does anyone have any budget friendly solutions to help me be a bit responsible with a soldering iron?

[real falcon]

timer?

like those xmas tree thingy but with better amp

[gray glacier]

yes.... i was thinkin about that

[real falcon]

if you can use relay and aruino you could make good one

[gray glacier]

well that too but an arduino is expensive here...

are there any ICs for this purpose

[real falcon]

im pretty sure theres options but i dont know enough

[gray glacier]

hmmm

i think i will go with the timer

oof those are expensive

[real falcon]

yeah when you look for ones that can handle the amps price goes up

[gray glacier]

how much does soldering iron draw?

like only a base soldering iron

[sinful lark]

It depends. Mine uses 30 watts, but most use a bit more.

[gray glacier]

i was thinking about relays but then i figured i cant keep it on or off for too long or the coil might burn out

i could use a solid state

relay

i found this 555 timer IC relay module but it wont work for too long without the relay dying

i found this apparently it can take up to 16 amps : https://www.amazon.in/Electrobot-24-Hour-Mechanical-Timer-Automatically/dp/B07BT9ZVMM/ref=pd_sbs_328_3/261-1862660-5482436?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B07BT9ZVMM&pd_rd_r=ad5bc809-7dc5-4c61-a031-f4232edf367d&pd_rd_w=tPtvj&pd_rd_wg=aPKcK&pf_rd_p=00b53f5d-d1f8-4708-89df-2987ccce05ce&pf_rd_r=8ZGCTG8KSTJTPW0AJ0Q0&psc=1&refRID=8ZGCTG8KSTJTPW0AJ0Q0

hello?

[sinful lark]

Yes?

[gray glacier]

sorry

anyways

i checked the reviews

and they stop working in some time

[sinful lark]

I'd imagine you can replace the relay in a commercially-available Christmas tree timer as long as it has similar voltage/coil resistance specs. Although, I admit I've never used relays before since high voltage scares me.

[real falcon]

always better to overspec it but yeah

[gray glacier]

do you think solid state relay is better tho?

cuz im worried about the relay burning

[sinful lark]

Do solid-state relays exist for AC?

[gray glacier]

im pretty sure they are made for AC

since they use triacs

found one for 4$

16A

i dont mind spending too much

[sinful lark]

That'd be weird. They have a voltage drop (I've read .7 volts) so you're going to have a lot of heat generation which must be handled properly.

[gray glacier]

oh ok

bruh im so tired i just dont wanna burn my house down

wait let me check if its still on

[sinful lark]

How ironic.

[gray glacier]

its off

still scared

have you done the same mistake before

[sinful lark]

No. My soldering iron is crap (courtesy of TrueValue hardware, 0/10 would not recommend) so the handle heats up, tips corrode, etc. As a result, I only solder like once a month.

[gray glacier]

lol... my soldering iron is 3$

you are probably lucky

but its actually surprisingly good

for 3$

[sinful lark]

Do you have a link? I'd like to try it.

[gray glacier]

ok, might not be available in your country tho

just a sec..

nope its not available in america

im in india

rn so the price is cheap

https://www.amazon.in/Soldron-SI25A-Soldering-Iron-25W/dp/B00IXEZ5VO/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=soldron&qid=1598164665&s=industrial&sr=1-1

in america this is 56$

although there are a LOT of ripoffs in india

i have the original so it works well

surprisingly

still didnt get a solution for the soldering iron

is there any other solution to Auto turn off a soldering iron without a timer or at least make it so that i remember to turn it off through an LED or something?

[lapis bluff]

I'm setting up a new work area right now. I have the "forgety" problem, so it's set up with everything feeding off one power strip with an easy to reach switch and the task lighting is also run off that power strip with no switch. So if the power to the workbench is on the task lighting (highly visible) indicates that and I can't inadvertently turn the light off and leave the several appliances on.

[gray glacier]

hey.... good idea, i was just thinking of that. i am going to install a adapter with multiple plugs and plug in my iron, and all the other stuff and a visible light so that when the adapter is on, my soldering iron and my light are on at the same time plus the light can double as a soldering light, thanks!

[unreal timber]

dose anyone wat to be in my project

[late fulcrum]

@unreal timber a) describe your project, b) don't post the same thing in multiple channels

[unreal timber]

ok

[velvet pelican]

@gray glacier invest in a butane soldering iron. They only stay on for half an hour at a time and heat up very quickly. On avg they are 20-30 dollars and no cord attached as a bonus

Only downside is having to have butane on hand

[zealous ermine]

one of my friends made a good quote

"digital logic is like a sandbox, but for computation"

[zealous ermine]

listening to the radio, but with extra steps

[stoic mesa]

Just for fun:
would you guys be willing to share a photo of your workbench/desk?
as it is now, no staged photos 🙂

I can start

[late fulcrum]

Here's what mine looks like at the moment

[stoic mesa]

I like the phone
Brings back memories

[late fulcrum]

I put that there because when I go in the basement and the phone rings, it's no fun to run upstairs to answer it. Of course, when I do answer it, it's some telescammer with "press 1 to talk to an operator"...

Also used for this project

[stoic mesa]

Nice. I always wondered how exactly they decoded rotary phone signals in the time before microcontrollers...

[late fulcrum]

Originally, they used stepper relays. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZePwin92cI

[covert spire]

My normal rotary doesn't seem to work

Idk how to fix it

[late fulcrum]

How does it not work? Do you know if it's an electrical or mechanical issue?

[short pulsar]

@late fulcrum I like the first order retrievability on the left. I’m still brewing over how a short one of these should look to go on my bench.

[late fulcrum]

Yes, I totally stole that idea from Adam Savage.

[short pulsar]

Cool. Thanks for the extra photo.

I see you even have a few shelves ready for a backside expansion.

I haven’t gotten far on my bench top version yet. After a year of thinking about it, so far just got the design for these pinball casters.

[zealous ermine]

Thats my entry

[dusty citrus]

You could flick the hook switch on a desk telephone to dial the phone if you timed it right.

Typically you'd dial something unpredictable, since your timing wasn't all that good, but it showed how the system works (by interrupting the hook switch circuit, or somesuch).

The rotary dial is just a cam that opens and closes relay-like contacts, as the dial returns to the initial position (it dials on the way back, not when you are turning it with your finger (or an inserted pencil).

The electronic phones that give a 'pulse/rotary' option simulate this for the pulse option.

It's not pulse/rotary. I can't remember the other one (probably 'tone').

[umbral phoenix]

we called the rotary successors "touch-tone"

[velvet nexus]

Late to the "workbench" party, mine doubles as a desk

[velvet nexus]

there is a secondary desk to my left, which is basically an impact crater left behind from a sustained bombardment of miscellaneous electronics

[gray glacier]

nice

My small little workspace. i dont have much, but i do with what i have.

i still have one of those cheap toy multimeters from china and my soldering iron isnt great but those dont really matter when prototyping, i dont really have a lo of tools but my dad gives me some when i need it. ive made my own crude low voltage indicaor btw

[real falcon]

i once got dollar caliper plastic toy and used it at work

well not really as its not certified and I was kidding lol

it got some laughs

[real falcon]

man

more measures larger the error

if youre measuring 12 foot something with ruler you would have to move it bunch of times. you probably would be 1/4 inch short or long if youre quite good

while tape measure is single one. even if you screw up it will be far smaller error

@sinful lark barefoot? oops nm

[late fulcrum]

The folks at the Hydraulic Press Channel are machinists, and have decent precision calipers, but tried some inexpensive plastic ones, and found they're decently accurate, but I'm guessing the quality of those is all over the map.

[real falcon]

its little more than just cheap toy yeah lol I fixed it up for better precsion, but its far below even cheap ones lol

[tawny sonnet]

It's a developing setup - I'm going to put a shallow shelf right over the desk for the soldering iron, hot air station, power supply, etc

I used to have everything in one big box and then a few of the smaller one-layer tackle boxes, and I haven't worked a lot with it in its new configuration, so things will probably change as I spend more time with it (for example, that desk isn't going to stay nearly that clean)

but my general workflow is to grab the boxes that contain things I need for the session's work, put them on my workspace, and then put hte boxes back when I'm done

[ocean sigil]

It's the "when I'm done" part that gets me ... 😉

[tawny sonnet]

the great thing aout living by myself is that if I want to use the nicest room in the house, the so-called living room, as a costume shop... nobody can stop me

the ladder to the loft is too far away to reach the boxes, but it's the thought that counts, right

[tawny sonnet]

the nice thing about having a box for everything is that tidying up is pretty easy. put the boxes on the shelves, go through the miscellaneous stuff and put into boxes. however, the part at the end where I have a pile of stuff I can't categorize always makes me super grumpy

neat! also a fan of the clear box strategy, I see

[grave crest]

I am a huge fan of plano boxes and sterlite containers

Along with wire metal shelving, mainly because I rent and the landlord would be slightly unhappy with putting multiple holes in the wall.

[tawny sonnet]

I probably have a couple hundred 6 and 16 quart sterilite boxes. I love them. And the Plano deep tackle boxes are 👌

Makes sense

I eventually discovered that the most important thing for me is flexibility, because when I get stressed I feel the need to move everything around, and my process always ends up evolving when I pick up a new skill, so it makes sense to put things in different places

so I covered my walls in ridiculous amounts of track shelving. even the desk is on long brackets in the track shelves

But yeah that's landlords for you 😛

[umbral phoenix]

This was weird. Had the CircuitPython weekly meeting Google Doc up in a private tab in Safari, later on this pops up.

I most assuredly was not logged in to Google from any device I own. And anything going on in another private tab was likely to have a different IP address.

[fathom relic]

I'd read that as signed into 2 google properties with different accounts in different tabs. Like signed into youtube in one tab and docs in another or something. When one of the tabs tried to refresh or something safari or google didn't like the 2 accounts at once bit.

[next frost]

Love your storage method for jumper wires @ocean sigil, genius!

[umbral phoenix]

@fathom relic except that nothing was logged in, and each page is always in its own private tab

[stuck moth]

@umbral phoenix I think someone changed the permissions. I saw a similar message

[sick adder]

@umbral phoenix after the meeting, I switched the document to "view only". We decided it was not good to have these anyone-can-write documents hanging out there forever, so I try to do that now, whenever I'm the person who created the meeting document.

[umbral phoenix]

Thanks, that explains it.

[velvet pelican]

My workspaces @stoic mesa

Most of that just has slag from welding on it

@late fulcrum every think about turning that shelf into one of them rotary ones?

[late fulcrum]

Which shelf?

[velvet pelican]

The one with all your screwdrivers pliers ect

[late fulcrum]

The tool ladder? I'm not sure how I'd make that "rotary", but it is on wheels.

[hollow phoenix]

need help with linux persistence.....

[dusty citrus]

lazy susan maybe is what they meant .. turntable

spectrum persistence is a term used for CDROM based Linux like KNOPPIX to talk about what happens after a reboot.

(saving your changes while still operating off read-only media for booting)

[velvet pelican]

@late fulcrum like that^ only with two large circular wheels rather than chain style links

@dusty citrus not quite the same as a turntable or lasy susan but the idea is the same 🙂

[late fulcrum]

That's cool, but I don't envision myself building something like that any time soon!

[hasty quarry]

Can someone explain to me why I felt like absolute garbage after eating maybe 4000 calories of beignets in 5 minutes

It was absolutely delicious, and I would probably do it again

Kinda weird though, I can safely say that has never happened to me