The fireos devices are crazy cheap, and weak, and they dont natively support the play store
#general-chat
jaunty jetty
dusty citrus
I think on the low end the first barrier is simply running out of room to store things, when they aren't using good skills to manage the bloat (by deleting things selectively).
Right, my friend can't use her Kindle Fire easily since it doesn't support Google Voice Keyboard (talk into the handheld in lieu of typing stuff with your fingers).
jaunty jetty
The low end is processor loading and RAM, most android devices are not ram sensitive, but 20$ phones are
Once you've got a decent processor the storage complexities will negate any gain but at least the UI is snappy
dusty citrus
Plus you can visit every 9 weeks and delete stuff for them. ;) /uggh
jaunty jetty
By 200$, the processor is a given, and then you have to make sure there's at least 16gb of internal storage, but really 32 cuz ooo boy does android just eat space
And it does not like to respect microSD cards
dusty citrus
Yeah I would say less than 32 is going to be a real support headache if you're involved anywhere in the helping chain. ;)
I haven't used Android (except very basic functions such as the alarm clock) in so long now that I don't think I'd (personally) tolerate its ridiculousness, again.
Once they compromised WPA2 I was out of the game, permanently. That was a year ago, I think.
jaunty jetty
My mom has an old samsung tablet, you hit the home button, set it down, go to work, pick up mcdonalds on the way home, watch a movie, go to bed, wake up, and then it's ready for the next touch
Gonna pass out
dusty citrus
quick get to the floor ;)
grave crest
Anyone here a machinist? I picked up some goodies from an estate sale (mostly Starrett and Snap-On). They're in pretty decent condition -- wondering what else I could get to round out the below -- for non-machinist work like 3D printing and tinkering around with building electronics-focused projects.
[Mainly the dividers (calipers) and inside-distance measuring devices]
jaunty jetty
you've got a lot of comparison calipers there, you could use some precision capilers to set them, maybe gauge blocks or gauge pins, and for the telescoping comparison thingers you need a micrometer
ocean sigil
Perhaps one of these
jaunty jetty
the analog ones are neat, you can even get sets with both imperial and metric needles that move separately
grave crest
@ocean sigil I have a low-cost digital version of those calipers -- I absolutely love them
ocean sigil
that one belonged to my father -- probably from 1950s or early 60s
jaunty jetty
btw, you should clean up your scales, most of them don't have any paint to begin with and it really helps readability, you can paint the whole face and then sand it down so only the paint in the etching remains, but what you're supposed to use is schallack
grave crest
@ocean sigil The seller had a few of those (non dial version), but a few of the items he did his homework on. The calipers, micrometers, and the kennedy toolbox he wanted top dollar for -- like 25% less than new. Everything else....make a pile and give me an offer.
@jaunty jetty The rulers there have very good markings on them, it's just reflection of the light + a potato camera 😃
jaunty jetty
there aren't any rulers in your photo
grave crest
The metal sticks? Rulers, scales -- I might be imprecise with my naming, but they're in excellent condition with clear labeling.
ocean sigil
I prefer "measuring thingies"
jaunty jetty
measuring thingies is really broad though
you'd have a measuring thingies cabinet
if you were going to put money into this, gauge blocks and a micrometer are the basis if real capacity
proper gauge blocks are a source of authority, cheap chinese ones not so much, with them you can calibrate your micrometer; you can't really calibrate calipers in an absolute sense because they're a low accuracy instrument; but if you have gauge blocks and a properly calibrated micrometer you can make any other instrument perform correctly however briefly
basically, if you haven't compared a set of calipers against an authoritative source in the last 5 minutes, you should assume they're accurate within 10 thou, while a good micrometer can maintain 0.1 thou accuracy all day
if you really want to get fancy, buy a cheap chinese surface plate, a height gauge, and indicator needle
the surface plate is going to require maybe 150 hours of labor to fix, so be prepared
ocean sigil
Another of his tools.
jaunty jetty
nice
does the click wheel still clicky well?
the knob at the end is supposed to have a clutch so you can turn it and it'll click past at a constant tension for reliable reading
2/9 of the micrometers I've used have had not this gummed up or worn out
ocean sigil
Yup. Still clicks
jaunty jetty
sweet
what's the brand?
I feel like that's one of the american brands but I forget them
btw, if you want to get a surface plate, looks like the samll ones start around 20~30$ but they will not be correct out of box, so Keith Rucker has a bunch of videos about how to bring them into flat via scraping, first they need a stand though https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bON6Y1v6X6U
ocean sigil
jaunty jetty
Starret is world class, comparable to Mitotoyo, and that looks like very early markings
age isn't so much a thing with micrometers but if you needed a bunch of money, that's probably worth 300+
ocean sigil
Priceless family heirlooms
jaunty jetty
yep
and worth it
treat it well and that'll maintain 0.1 thou precision until the seasons change, longer if you work in a temperature controlled environment
btw, I'm quite partial to this beauty
grave crest
How does Mitotoyo compare? Better/worse?
jaunty jetty
Mitotoyo is the end boss
nobody beats them
ah, this is what I was trying to think of; ignore the price I've had this listing in a wishlist for years, I think it was originally 25$
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XH2L8Y8
what you would normally do is put a needle indicator on it instead of the spike, but basically this rides around on your surface plate and lets you hold a thing above the surface at a consistent height
if you're doing woodworking you don't need the precision and can just use any mostly flat surface
the small knob at the bottom lets you adjust the height of the tip very precisely by tilting the arm back and forth
jaunty jetty
there should be competitions
like a monthly vague task
build something in this space, using that part, to solve this problem, using this technique; with categories for practical builds and hypothetical builds so even people without a budget can play
dreamy solstice
so
a 5v 4a power brick
would it fry my rpi if I used the 2.1mm to micro usb to power a rpi with that?
would the amperage bust it?
I'm wanting to know because with the screen, and rpi 3b+ mobo, it keeps using more than 2.1A occasionally, which is more than an Ipad power birck can deliver, and it reboots without warning
a 4 amp power brick would be over the micro usb amp limit, but it'd force the absolute maximum through it
guaranteeing it'd power it sufficiently
IF
it doesnt fry it
https://www.adafruit.com/product/1466
https://www.adafruit.com/product/2789
products I want to use for reference
late fulcrum
Nope, won't fry it at all. The power brick is capable of supplying up to 4A at 5V. The device connected to it determines how much current is drawn. That brick might have a minimum as well, but if it does, it will be something really small like 200mA. It should power a Pi and a bunch of accessories just fine.
dusty citrus
@viscid folio can you please accept my friend request I have to ask you something
karmic kite
discord is not a good place for instant adafruit support, best email or check the forums
jaunty jetty
youtube just gave me this... beautiful https://youtu.be/HPQbKTJPsU4
dusty citrus
Not a spiral:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e1/Fraser_spiral.svg/1193px-Fraser_spiral.svg.png
stable vault
dusty citrus
Pretty
abstract violet
Pretty interesting concept.. web 5.0?
dusty citrus
Neat
grave crest
“Don't trust your eyes, they can deceive you." ~Obi-Wan Kenobi
And "Don't believe everything you think." ~country saying I heard growing up
main kiln
@jaunty jetty I've started the build process for that wire bender
dusty citrus
solution to building xephem in recent Debian:
https://groups.io/g/xephem/message/3605
http://www.clearskyinstitute.com/xephem/
XLIBS = -lXm -lXt -lX11
night vision mode
dreamy solstice
so I'm using a computer with 3g abilities, to connect to via ethernet with other devices, using the "allow other computers to connect to this computer to use internet"
what os should I use for the 3g device?
linux or windows?
(please keep in mind, this device only has 3gb of ddr2 ram and a core 2 duo
late fulcrum
For that kind of duty, I'm fond of BSD, myself (a non-Linux free Unix variant with particularly good support for networking and running on minimal hardware). Linux is the obvious second choice.
dreamy solstice
ok
dreamy solstice
is there a way to run android apks on rasbpian?
late fulcrum
I suspect you can do so indirectly using the Android SDK, but I'm guessing you want to run them standalone instead of in an IDE?
dreamy solstice
yes
and it cant be anything super complicated, because I'm cursed where if it's that way, any commands I run likely will return an error
even if I copy-paste them
sleek urchin
Hmm. looks like the end of Chinese electronics widgets with free shipping
current US administration is saying they're going to pull out of the postal agreement that lets Chinese businesses ship for so little
jaunty jetty
@old fjord I blame you
old fjord
Why me
jaunty jetty
you were on about this a few weeks ago
old fjord
Only became addicted to cheap Aliexpress electronics quite recently
Now I’m sad :(
I do remember that conversation
It’s a one year process
jaunty jetty
clearly you've been PATRIOTed and caused them to remember this loophole
jaunty jetty
I'd only be a little surprized, little good will come of politics here
for the administrative spooks, all's fun in love and jokes
old fjord
Why is it that a almost 200 year old pact gets thrown out as soon as I start enjoying it
jaunty jetty
'irony'
old fjord
Ok important development
I need to know the company making these RGB matrices for the Sphero Bolt and adafruit needs to carry it asap.
jaunty jetty
could be an 8x8 white matrix with mulicolor gel and vingette
jaunty jetty
really fancy gels
old fjord
Looks like an alternative to the high density dotstar matrix that doesn’t cost almost $50
old fjord
Needs a backpack to be remotely useful
jaunty jetty
you can build that
old fjord
I assure you I could not do that
jaunty jetty
no, you can, theres a chip somewhere, you just put it on a board with the necessary parts
jaunty jetty
I linked two, look at the imbed
jaunty jetty
....
old fjord
...?
Actually I looked at the package dimensions
The matrix is 60x60
mm
Not much smaller than the WS2912 matrix I ordered
Actually the WS2812 is listed as 6x6cm which is the same size...
dusty citrus
Who here is pretty good with Audacity?
main kiln
I am
dusty citrus
Cool
I wish to do something
I want to grab a audio clip and send it through to my mic input
Is that possible?
main kiln
Ummm... Depending on what that means, I don't know if that is even a thing.
You want to take an audio clip
And send it to an input?
Or have it recorded as though it was through a mic
I think I need a better description of what you are trying to do
dusty citrus
Hm
Let's see
I have an audio clip loaded into Audacity
I joined a Discord all with my friends
main kiln
oh. You want to output it through to discord
main kiln
Mac or PC?
dusty citrus
PC
main kiln
Mkay. So, this will all be within Discord. You essentially need to create an input device that you can have be read by discord
main kiln
You will want to look into something along the lines of Virtual Audio Cable.
It will allow you to route audio and act as an input/output device.
And Discord would recognize it as an input device, which you can then route two channels to it (Music/audio clip + Actual Mic)
main kiln
dusty citrus
Nice
main kiln
This should do exactly what you need
jaunty jetty
Burel makes excellent stuff, I've used a few of their softwares for most of a decade just to make things simpler
jaunty jetty
VoiceMeeter and Banana are very powerful, Spectralissime is very useful, obviously the virtual cables are a must have; it can get very confused trying to set it all up, don't give up
oh boy...
Potato looks amazing
it's Banana, which is already Voicemeeter but more powerful, but Potato is even more powerfully more powerful
it can do five input channel pairs, and outputs, and has a 3 fader software mix
dusty citrus
@main kiln I finished setting up the VAC
How do I route Audacity to it?
I already told Discord to get input from it
But I Imagine Audacity has to output to it for Discord to get some data?
main kiln
You should just have to set Audacity to output to VAC
main kiln
In much the same way that you got Discord to read from VAC. You may just have to restart Audacity to get the outputs to refresh
but it should show up as an output device as well, and if not, you'd have to adjust settings in VAC
main kiln
That would be the golden goose, I think'
Yeah, as long as VAC is configured as an output device, then when you start up Audacity, it should read it as such
cursive pike
So I'm binging Doctor Who from the start (1963, not 2005). Good story arcs, some seriosuly bad writing, some seriosuly worse acting.
jaunty jetty
where is the start currently?
grave crest
@cursive pike The 2005 reboot is about the same. The first episode of the reboot is awful....followed by a few so-so, with a couple of smashingly good episodes.
cursive pike
I've seen all of the 2005+ episodes except the most recent (not the current) doctor. I figured I'd watch from the start, just to have done so. All I've seen of the pre-2005 shows was the Tom Baker years.
I did not care for the first "new" doctor... Chris whats-his-name
Tenent & Smith were both smashing. As mentioned I haven't seen more that the first couple Capaldi episodes.
I'm enjoying Whittaker's Doctor quite a bit so far.
grave crest
@cursive pike I did not care for Chris Eccleson, but Tenent & Smith were indeed awesome. If you can, check out the first season of Jessica Jones -- it's so nice seeing Tenent as a villain. He was creepy, made my hair stand on end.
And he now voices Scrooge McDuck. And Magica DeSpell is Catherine Tate (a companion of Tenent's Doctor).
Capaldi I felt never got a rhythm -- he was awesome as a very angry, Scottish Doctor...but the stories he had to work with were trash.
And Whittaker is such an absolute joy to watch. The whole design, camera work, the color pallet -- it's a breath of fresh air for the first two episodes.
sand tapir
Anyone see the new discord TOS?
karmic kite
just the store, didnt read the tos
cursive pike
@grave crest I fully concur. And, yes, Tenent was an amazing villain in JJ. He did a nice job of Barty Crouch, as well.
dusty citrus
I watched it up to when he got his 13th regeneration (or so) in the village of Christmas
cursive pike
Whittaker’s Doctor reminds me somewhat of Baker’s. Refreshing after the last two. Smith was great... but maybe too many feels.
I would love to have seen more of John Hurt’s War Doctor.
jaunty jetty
yanno what's concerning, among many things about soylent; the powder comes in 3 flavors, no, chocolate coffee (cafe mocha), and Cacao
cacao is in this context specifically not the word chocolate and that means something that I can't at face value determine
I wish I could believe that Soylent was a good and wholesome product that did what it claims
jaunty jetty
35 meals is 64$ in pouch form, that means I could provide one meal a day for 55$ a month*, and 1.83$ a day, a price that's hard to beat and still get nutrition
take that as breakfast and have one meal of actual food, it would be entirely reasonable to feed myself for under 120$ a month, and get better nutrition than I am now
plus, dosing a powder should be reasonably easy, so building an automated and locked down soylent dispensor should be trivial compared to automating any other food object
machines should do the work so that humans have time to think; and a lot of that work is decision fatigue. If you could just go eat a thing, then the option of doing so is always taking up cycles in your decision process whether you actually would or not. If like me you're very fatigued most of the time because everything is always bad, a box that doesn't accept decisions and periodically outputs food eliminates the option and with an adjustment period, removes it from the decision loop
main kiln
Sounds like one hell of a dystopia you are building.
jaunty jetty
it's not a dystopia if you choose it
grave crest
Pro tip for everyone: Please remember which screen you're sharing if you're on a WebEx/screen share. Opened an email that came in, and instead of opening on the monitor where the email client was, it automagically went to the shared monitor. 🥚 on 😵 .
Even better, turn off email entirely. Turn off everything. Sigh.
unique vortex
Rip. Was it an important and / or secret mail?
grave crest
Opened a can of worms -type of email.
I feel that life is too short to make all the mistakes yourself, so that's why I'm sharing. Learn from mine -- Murphy and his law: "An email will open on the worst possible monitor during a screen share."
Frustrating, when you're expected to multitask and you drop every egg you're juggling. Humbling.
unique vortex
Luckily I don't get many mails...
grave crest
👍
vestal phoenix
@grave crest Pro tip #2 Keep a post-it note over the laptop webcam. Casual Friday is not Friday...or any other day of the week.
grave crest
@vestal phoenix I'll do you one better -- I use exclusively external monitors with a closed laptop.
And the webcam has a piece of black electrical tape over it.
grave crest
This instruction sheet is thorough, if anything.
abstract violet
I smell an @left flax 😄
left flax
What did I miss? @abstract violet ?
Do I really smell that bad? that you can smell me from over there?
abstract violet
haha! smells something like Dropbears @left flax
late fulcrum
Black electrical tape? Not this? https://www.adafruit.com/product/1696
karmic kite
Installing a couple Cash recycling unit and ATM's on monday, prepping them today they all still run XP
thought I had gotten rid of all of them
late fulcrum
Yay! Free cash!
proven olive
@karmic kite That pains me.
karmic kite
It hurts on so many levels, like I have the image ready to go to upgrade them to 7 or CE but I'm not allowed with out banks permissions and it kills me
proven olive
I can imagine you just going to the bank yelling "PLEAAAAAAAAAAAAAASE!"
karmic kite
Well... we would have to pay licensing fees for that
- Buts its a 80k machine... whats another 100$??
proven olive
Yeah, seriously!
I'm sure you're knowledgeable enough about those systems to just look at it wrong (Right?) and have it start spitting out money, using XPloits
karmic kite
Oh definitely I like my job though...
the actual security on them is terrifying basic
sand tapir
USERNAME: root PASSWORD: admin1234
sand tapir
[insert explicit language here]
karmic kite
new ones at least have scrambled alphanumeric but yea its pretty sad
sand tapir
thats actually worse than my school district's admin
karmic kite
ngl the first thing I did when I got my hands on an atm, was installed doom and then kodi
proven olive
Best virus ever: Finds what version of doom is needed for the particular computer, installs it. Spreads self, uninstalls from pc
karmic kite
literrally doom a bank 😛
proven olive
"You're DOOMed!"
silver shale
looking for a 16x16 LED matrix with a ≥1.2cm pitch, am i better off making one myself?
stray wind
@proven olive The nerds in my high school wrote what was essentially a virus that did almost exactly that. Except for Quake.
What it actually did was exist on the network, push itself to every PC in the school, and anytime someone tried to delete Quake, it intercepted the attempt and changed it to a move command instead. Put it in a different directory.
sand tapir
lmao
karmic kite
I enjoy putting autoplay scripts on my USB drives that insert files into a computer if its not my own
sand tapir
Is it wrong to want a copy of that... for research purposes
stray wind
For science!
sand tapir
yep
karmic kite
only science if you write it down!
sand tapir
Except i would do it with Jedi Knight [based on q3 engine, same as quake]
karmic kite
Curious for those who use VPN's, whats your go to?
jaunty jetty
what's your concern?
karmic kite
More looking for practising with tunnels and such. It also is nice for streaming services to be able to bypass youtube location detection
jaunty jetty
where abouts the world are you?
karmic kite
canada
the amount of content blocked by providers is annoyingly high. spotify, youtube, vivo will stop the stream if one song "This content is not available in your country"
jaunty jetty
get a 5$ VM on linode, use promo code downloadfm2018 for 20$ free, so you can mess around; I think you have to pay for the first month but it's been a year
five months for the price of one is hard to complain about
I think it's 1tb transfer monthly, and with your residential connection it's probably going to be hard to approach that even if you tried
karmic kite
that wouldn't even be that bad for a web host
jaunty jetty
tunnels aren't computationally taxing, you could also host some stuff
btw, use this expedition as a chance to get very familiar with hardening linux
karmic kite
looks like it could be similar to AWS in how costly it could get
jaunty jetty
huh, didn't know amazon had VMs
karmic kite
EC2 isnt a full vm but basically
karmic kite
I ran ubuntu server on it, no graphics only ssh access which suited my needs
jaunty jetty
headless servers are full VMs
you're not supposed to run a graphical desktop on a server
I was thinking maybe it was an environment that looked like a VM but really it was just a container or something
karmic kite
I played with EC2 alot last semester
then a little issue with someone going for academic dishonesty, I made a wise decision not to make anything public until I'm done this degree
oh hey look at this
jaunty jetty
don't tell anybody, but one of my most genuine joys is antique technical training videos https://youtu.be/_aVj7JSpSpU
this one is a bit more technical https://youtu.be/VDiOKqMKTO8
imagine a world not quite a century ago where chevrolette had to make a 10 minute video explaining the concept of gears to interns https://youtu.be/JOLtS4VUcvQ
and of course they did a great job
from a maker perspective though, there's nothing as genuinely insightful as the Navy talking about mechanical computation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1i-dnAH9Y4
karmic kite
I think the differential video they did is one of my favourite
jaunty jetty
yea I'm surprized how simple the mechanism ends up
I should find a limited slip differenial
dusty citrus
Reviewing the fundamentals is usually beneficial - the two main reasons for not doing so would perhaps be:
a) reviewed already, quite recently or
b) other more urgent matters are more pressing
Once in a while, there might also be:
c) would benefit more by teaching this than by reviewing/relearning this (without intent of teaching/explaining this)
I haven't looked at the Gears video. I'd bet dollars to doughnuts they'd say something I hadn't recently considered. Don't know what that might be .. there's (at least) one way to find out. ;)
I did recently review a 50's training film meant for school age children, on bicycle safety.
It did not mention the profoundly uncooperative and profoundly irresponsible behavior set of the motorist.
dusty citrus
I'm glad I'm not on a rocket, right now, heading for Alpha Centauri.
dusty citrus
Alpha Centauri transits at about 4 degrees above the horizon, in Key West, FL.
More northerly latitudes cannot observe this system, which is close to the Southern Cross.
jaunty jetty
I love how in this video, it's chevy and they're explaining hydraulics, so to explain a hydraulic press they built a little example crusher out of 4 brake cylinders, and to show how hydraulics can tilt a gun up and down, they made a big fake gun and pushed it up and down witha brake cylinder, and then to show how hydraulics can stop a car, they installed a brake cylinder in a car -- oh wait
dusty citrus
It's a good thing someone saw the value of posting very old videos, and put in the effort to see that they got published.
dusty citrus
The German March 1918 Offensive was initially successful but the Allies rallied and drove them back in the Hundred Days Offensive; on 28 September, German military leaders asked for an Armistice.
On 4 November 1918, the Austro-Hungarian empire agreed the Armistice of Villa Giusti; with Revolution at home, and the military no longer willing to fight, Kaiser Wilhelm abdicated on 9 November and Germany also signed an Armistice on 11 November 1918.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I
So this Veterans Day marks the 100th anniversary of the Armistice.
Armistice Day is commemorated every year on 11 November to mark the armistice signed between the Allies of World War I and Germany at Compiègne, France, for the cessation of hostilities on the Western Front of World War I, which took effect at eleven o'clock in the morning—the "eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month" of 1918. The date is a national holiday in France, and was declared a national holiday in many Allied nations.
jaunty jetty
so it's one of the few days that's there for a reason, that's good
dusty citrus
Kind of a two'fer -- Armistice Day is mostly forgotten, but Veterans Day is perennial.
ooh two n's one r
Two of my grandparents were born near then; they were about .. 12 years old on Armistice Day in 1918.
jaunty jetty
right but like, Labor Day is the first labor day in september, for no particular reason
dusty citrus
Maybe it's a harvest thing.
jaunty jetty
christmas is the 25th of december, because a pope said so once
halloween is the last day of october, because 10 is the spookiest number
dusty citrus
.. Jesus was a Capricorn and ate organic food ..
No because 31 is 13 backwards RUN AWAY
we had a Bell & Howell filmstrip in grade school called Dance Macabre
jaunty jetty
so why not have halloween on the 13th of january, the thirteenth month, at 13:13
it makes as much sense
dusty citrus
because autumn == death (scorpio)
jaunty jetty
yea but winter == deadly
dusty citrus
Well who is this 'they' who 'had' All Hallowes Eve
(and who was the genius who improved on it, by adding in Cabbage Night a far more important holiday mu hee hee ha ha)
alright so it's the evening prior to Hallowmas on 1 NOV.
All Saints is almost 1300 years old and comes from Pope Gregory III.
That's pretty much the anchor for the three day festival.
rofl
Meanwhile, in Baltimore, Maryland, it has traditionally been referred to as "Moving Night" due to the custom of exchanging or stealing porch furniture and other outside items.
I love that 'exchanging' bit
That'd be a lot of fun, if people routinely 'exchanged' some piece of equal value.
and that everyone informally agreed to live with it for the entire year, until that night comes around, again.
jaunty jetty
that probably worked out better when there was a higher minimum quality of porch furniture
dusty citrus
Everything (everything!) was solid wood when I was a boy, except for plywood.
They did have MDF - was called 'masonite'.
jaunty jetty
now it's all made of pringles and the hope of small children
dusty citrus
Don't leave it out in the rain.
I can't tell you how personally heartbreaking it is, to no longer routinely experience solid wood furniture and so forth.
jaunty jetty
do you remember the commercial from when I was a kid where there's a boy at college and his parents show up to discover that his couch is actually like 200 pizza boxes carefully stacked, and then they give him a dell desktop
dusty citrus
I rarely watched TV once I left home (at age 17).
When I do I make it a habit to not become informed by any commercial interruption.
The surrounding culture is about 5 percent satisfactory and the rest is slackjaw. ;)
Just who in the world did they build all this for? Clearly did not have me in mind.
grave crest
Anyone familiar with or have used https://www.micromark.com/ ? Trying to get a gauge of their quality and reputation....
dusty citrus
https://www.micromark.com/about-us
340 Snyder Avenue,
Berkeley Heights,
New Jersey 07922
Can you say Bell Labs .. they're just outside Murray Hill NJ ;)
jaunty jetty
a lot of these tools look like things I generally see on china or china based markets
this in particular https://www.micromark.com/SSP Applications/NetSuite Inc. - SCA Vinson/Development/img/carousel-images-08-18-3.jpg
dusty citrus
https://learn.adafruit.com/assets/52793
another power supply variant - explains itself in cells A2-A3 of this Adafruit schematic for NRF52 board
silver shale
@dusty citrus what OS is that?
dusty citrus
@silver shale It's Linux.
What you are seeing is the Fluxbox window manager (provides all the decorations around the windows, and their titles, and other stuff).
Fluxbox is one of several window managers that offers multiple workspaces (desktops).
It's very lightweight, and has been around for more than a decade, basically unchanged.
dusty citrus
very large
That's with an absurdly large xterm on the left, fonts smaller than I like them for Discord (and partially 'slid' off the desktop) to the upper right; with the wbar centered near the bottom.
wbar was styled after Mac OS X and has similar function - it's an icon-based program launcher.
Picture all this displayed on a 39" HDTV with a VGA (or HDMI) input, from about 7 feet away, and that's my operating environment.
I could pretty much do the same thing in Raspbian on a Raspberry Pi, but I usually use the default setup on a Pi.
50 lines of text in an xterm at 7pt font
(the window border is partially slid underneath the top bar - it can be set to a few different depths so that specific windows will cover specific other windows, if desired)
That top bar by default is at the very bottom, but I like it where it is. ;)
Color scheme is my own design.
dusty citrus
fluxbox style
jaunty jetty
how can you tell if a robot arm design from the 70s/80s is old enough that they can't sue you for cloning it
late fulcrum
In the United States, anyone can sue anyone for anything.
jaunty jetty
can and will are different things
generally speaking in IP cases, the loser has to cover the court fees and is frequently awarded with paying for the opposition's lawyer as well, if they have no basis to sue me for taking the broad strokes of the design, they'll be thrown out quickly
side tangent, everybody should watch Red Green
for one, in three separate episodes, during the segment where Red builds an absurd contraption using film trickery, they build 3 different plausible designs for single person elevators
in episode 5 they use a garage door opener; paired with a garage door spring and a braking mechanism this is plausible enough
in episode 156 I think it was a bike with a rope tied to the forks and wound around the rear wheel, might need more gearing
and then in episode I forget, they ran a rope over a branch, tied one end to a phone booth, and the other to a hot water tank, that they filled and emptied to move the booth up and down
silver shale
available on netflix?
late fulcrum
Red Green is a hoot, and a nice guy too!
jaunty jetty
seems like available on youtube
covert spire
Awesome ya got to meet him
jaunty jetty
not sure how legit
covert spire
It's legit if it's the RedGreentv
If ya see some of the latest videos posted, you'll see him have a clip about his latest tour
spice moss
Formula1 USGP was so awesome
silver shale
this server was created on Wed Jun 21 2017 21:13:22 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
silver shale
typed in function getCreationDate(id) { return new Date((id / 4194304) + 1420070400000); } getCreationDate("327254708534116352") (last number is the server id) into console in inspect element, never knew that discord is HTML based
sand tapir
yep, the discord app is basically a reskined internet browser
jaunty jetty
at least it actually is an app
there have been a lot in the past that were fancy internet explorer windows
sand tapir
lol
jaunty jetty
and then you go to the site in IE, and there it all is
sand tapir
it does seem chrome based imho
jaunty jetty
and you're like "but I don't use IE because it's so bad!"
sand tapir
def chrome based
jaunty jetty
I'm not logged in in any of my browsers, so that's good
dreamy solstice
sleek urchin
well, they're trying to kill their reputation, apparently that entire story is false https://twitter.com/intelnews/status/1054397715071651841
Twitter
lofty island
@dreamy solstice I dont see any goto 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔
dreamy solstice
I didnt make that meme
torpid belfry
And goto isn't necessarily a loop
ocean sigil
?showtimes
solar ridgeBOT
3D Hangouts - 11am ET Wednesdays
Show & Tell (YT only) - 7:30pm ET
Wednesdays Ask an Engineer - 8pm ET
Wednesdays Desk of Ladyada - Random hacker times
John Park's Workshop - 4pm EST Thursdays
jaunty jetty
that needs some reformating.... so is hangouts wensdays, or is show&tell wensdays
ocean sigil
I think both are Wednesday.
jaunty jetty
so, almost everything is wensdays
jaunty jetty
what today is it?
ocean sigil
??
jaunty jetty
iiiit's.. monday
ocean sigil
Ssh. No so loud. Almost made it through.
grave crest
Shhh. Don't remind me. I've just had two disappointing failures fall onto my lap, and I'm dealing with them...semi-calmly?
(and I thought I escaped today without a scratch too....)
static charm
Hi there
tame saddle
here is my weekly formula: Sunday, Monday #1, Monday #2, Monday #3, Monday #4, Friday, Saturday
1-4 gets adjusted based on holidays...
grave crest
....that sounds terrible. And so true.
jaunty jetty
I find that it's almost always wensday
karmic kite
I've found a source that doesn't triple the price of pi's when importing them! 😄 might have to stock up while it lasts
median matrix
<@&327289013561982976> hello, I have a question about an nrf52 I received yesterday, anyone available to answer any questions?
proven olive
@median matrix I'm going to go ahead and say I, personally am unlikely to be able to answer any NRF questions, but it's often best to just ask the question
There's a lot of knowledgeable people here, more than just the Community Helpers or those with other roles.
median matrix
thanks. Well I plugged it in after unboxing it, and it was recognized, but i noticed it was smoking, so i went to unplug it. very hot to the touch, and one of the chips seems to have bulged up and partially melted
computer will recognize it but it gets very hot, so cannot keep it powered for more than a few seconds
not getting any output on the 3V lines either
proven olive
Oh, well. That's something for Adafruit Support. E-mail support@adafruit.com and they'll take care of you
Assuming it's an Adafruit product, of course
jaunty jetty
I don't have experience with the NRF52 specifically, but all of that is a very good reason to never plug that board into a computer ever again
median matrix
Great. Well i mainly wanted to know if I may have done something wrong, I already purchased a new one, i doubt support will assist since it was an amazon purchase.
ancient rivet
@median matrix have you posted in the forums?
proven olive
@median matrix It's entirely possible they will, if it's an adafruit product.
jaunty jetty
it's definitely possible for failing USB devices to cause damage to your USB hardware, which is typically on your motherboard, and that can potentially kill the machine
proven olive
Do you have a link to the one you bought?
median matrix
ancient rivet
@median matrix technical support is done in the forums. since you have one of the feathers, this one would work:
https://forums.adafruit.com/viewforum.php?f=57
median matrix
Thanks cater. one other question:
ancient rivet
if you email support, they will just have you post there first
jaunty jetty
@median matrix half of the vendors on this listing have fulfillment by amazon, if you purchased it from one of those (which is likely) then amazon will fast-track your return process and get you a refund quickly
median matrix
the pictures of the chip that bulged in the product pages show "KD6T" mine starts with "K" and ends with "V"
i cant see the rest
does adafruit use slightly different components on their boards, or was this a scam product
jaunty jetty
components can slightly varry for many reasons yes
median matrix
Okay. Thanks. I will go through amazon for a refund if you guys think it best. I just know that in the past working for a small electronics company, we always preferred to handle it instead of letting amazon process a return
and i wanted to verify this was a legitimate board that I got, and not some third party
jaunty jetty
follow up with Adafruit to make sure you didn't do anything wrong, but Amazon will be able to process your return and refund faster than any other company that exists
ancient rivet
In your forum post, provide that same link, we can verify if that is one of our resellers.
median matrix
I will do so. Take care, guys
jaunty jetty
the only thing I can imagine is you plugged in a battery that was polarized backwards, that KD6T chip is either the 3V3 regulator or the lipo charge controller, both of which don't like reverse polarity
ancient rivet
That chip is the lipo charger. But I'm not sure what the variation in the label means. It could be an insignificant part variation. But you can also mention that in your forum post. Also - please post a photo of your actual board.
jaunty jetty
@median matrix did you plug in a battery at all?
median matrix
I did, i had a battery plugged in when i plugged it into the computer
jaunty jetty
mention that in your forum post
median matrix
do you know what polarity this board needs? I dont want to plug this battery into my new board that should be here tomorrow if it reversed
The batteries I have are not sold by adafruit
just some spares i had
jaunty jetty
it needs to be polarized the same way as the batteries adafruit sells, they are all correct, so give me a minute
ancient rivet
i can tell you what the polarity of the feather is, but you should verify the battery polarity using a multimeter
median matrix
I can look at the site, too
ancient rivet
you can not trust wire color
also, all Adafruit lipo's have protection circuitry on them
jaunty jetty
can you trust that Adafruit's batteries will have the correct wire color?
ancient rivet
you should
jaunty jetty
https://cdn-shop.adafruit.com/970x728/3898-00.jpg
if you take the key pointing down, plug facing you, the polarity formerly known as red should be on the left
ancient rivet
you can also look at the photo showing the battery plugged in to the feather:
https://cdn-shop.adafruit.com/970x728/3406-12.jpg
the wire colors for the batteries Adafruit sales are black=GND, red=+
median matrix
well that sucks
yeah they are reversed in the batteries jst connector
confirmed wire colors are correct with multimeter
well i'll just have to eat this one then
jaunty jetty
don't tell amazon, they wont ask
jaunty jetty
I doubt it'll go pastthe vendor, and vendors arent real
median matrix
haha
ancient rivet
@median matrix we try to keep it family friendly here on this server. please read the #code-of-conduct.
median matrix
sorry, luckily your bot caught it 😛
ancient rivet
that's unfortunate - but it does sound like a reverse polarity battery issue, esp. since the chip you say got hot is the lipo charger
median matrix
Indeed, I should have been more careful. Thanks for helping me get to the bottom of it. I can swap out the wires in the connectors so the new one does not have a repeat issue. now
ancient rivet
sorry that happened. you are not the first person this has happened to.
median matrix
I may try to repair this one with a new lipo charging chip
jaunty jetty
always need to be careful with batteries, they're capable of surprizing instantaneous current so when anything is wrong it tends to go directly to bang
median matrix
project for another day
jaunty jetty
well, apple and samsung have been doing the same thing with their chargers and cables for a decade
main kiln
I do see why though. I 100% would not trust fast charging to anything but primary suppliers. A bad fast charge is super dangerous and can cause tremendous battery damage and fires.
abstract violet
@main kiln "A bad fast charge is super dangerous and can cause tremendous battery damage and fires."
Where are some studies/statistics behind this? Is this a big problem for fast chargers?
should I have to buy a different primary supplier fast charger for each device that's made by a company so that things dont go 🔥 ? #Fear #Uncertainty #Doubt
jaunty jetty
remember when apple put out that 7k$ laptop that couldn't not thermal throttle if it's life depended on it, and then they put out a patch that fixed it immediately
I'm not willing to have emotions about what could be a basic software problem
google's a lot slower than apple, give it 6 weeks
grave crest
I see the general idea behind it -- generally fast charging, if done improperly, can cause harm. Look at the non-spec USB-C cables...at best they don't work, at worst you're roasting smores on your nightstand at 3am. Wait, that's a pillow not a marshmallow.
Even on the flip side, I'm not a fan of wireless charging in the first place. It's rather inefficient, generates heat -- and for a 'disposable' consumer electronic item, I can't imagine prolonged above-average heat will do it any good.
abstract violet
@grave crest yeah I heard from this post that some Googler tested the cables found in Amazon and most were out of spec : https://superuser.com/questions/1199917/what-is-the-d-shaped-icon-next-to-my-usb-c-port/1200112#1200112
grave crest
@abstract violet Yepper, that's the one.
I mean, no one is going to be "perfect". Look at the Samsung Note from a few years back. Even the primary suppliers get it wrong once in a while.
But I do trust large, reputable 3rd party suppliers and first party ones. And as annoying as it is to lock a standard cable/charger down to first party -- aside from the business $$ implications -- I can absolutely understand the safety reasoning.
And folks like you and me, we're not the "average consumer". We're absolutely disqualified from ever being called that.
But there are many who'd buy a phone usbc charger, and plug it into their macbook pro -- and complain that it's not working. A properly done cable/charger will simply not work. But no one ever cuts corners in manufacturing, especially overseas...right?
tame saddle
i was waiting for the Pixel3 to come out, so the Pixel2 price would drop. Foiled again... 😄 this "4 year old, Android 4, never getting another update, under 5 inch" phone needs to be replaced...
spice moss
I was waiting for SurfaceGo what i won from dotnetconf but seems the person who was going to ship it wasnt checking twitter so much
jaunty jetty
lookin at plants on amazon "live, shipped fresh from our farm in Costa Rica" fulfilled by amazon
spice moss
i answered so fast that day in sep28 but the person checked it today
torpid belfry
@spice moss they may not have had it made available to them to ship until today
spice moss
this was personal error
viral blaze
Does somebody know if the adafruit address in Manhattan, New York, is also a real world shop or just an office?
jaunty jetty
I think they have one location
viral blaze
This one location doesn't look like anything made for visitors on streetview in google maps.
grave crest
Yay. Bad sector error in drive 1 of my NAS. Time to donate some money to Western Digital or Seagate.
jaunty jetty
@viral blaze I might be mistaken about there being one location, but there is definitely a location they have in new york where the landlord has said no tours
viral blaze
@jaunty jetty Thanks for the info. So I won't take the detour to have a look.
stuck moth
@viral blaze there isn't a storefront. Its a few floors in the building you see. Its inventory, offices and manufacturing
grave crest
And from my understanding, they're hard at work shipping orders and building new products. Given that + what I've heard them say on AAE about visitation restrictions, I believe that's why they post so many "factory tour" videos on YouTube.
Bring the factory to you instead of you coming to the factory. 🏭 
sleek urchin
silver shale
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWzNu4eTvWI video explains it all
ocean dock
Hiya peeps
viral blaze
Thx everybody. Was just kind'a hoping. Shipping fees to Germany are so huge (not blaming anybody here!). And since I was in NY (not any more)...
jaunty jetty
If you travel often, you can have things shipped to the hotel
viral blaze
That's right. I will do that next time.
karmic kite
vestal phoenix
Bookmarked for when the apocalypse comes and I have submarine handy to patch in to get my Netflix?
karmic kite
more for "peer" entertainment value
vestal phoenix
I guess that's what it's for without going off the deep end.
karmic kite
been diving deep into the backbone of the internet and various datacentres
main kiln
I am not at all pleased that they projected a Mercator projection onto a glob
Look at greenland on that map
Holy mother of light
jaunty jetty
I'm not pleased that they chose low contrast colors with giant pulsating balls of light so you can't actually see anything
abstract violet
This exemption to copyright law will apply to smartphones, tractors, cars, smart home appliances, and many other devices.
grave crest
There are some pretty wild stories about farmers downloading Ukrainian versions of John Deere tractor firmware to get around being locked out of fixing their own equipment -- because of cost and the rural availability of parts & techs.
I try really hard to look at JD's actions in a positive light (playing devil's advocate) but man...I have a challenge not seeing it as a blatant cash grab.
The words that express how I feel regarding this can't be said on this server. I try not to support any business that behaves like this.
You should hear about some newer models of cars - basic repairs, like an oil change, you can't do anymore unless you take it to the dealer. It's Halloween, time for real-world horror stories.
Even in my 2011 Subaru Outback Wagon, it's a 30-60 minute ordeal just to change a headlight bulb. It's impossible to see this as an oversight.
/soapbox
jaunty jetty
on my 96 thunderbirds you basically had to take the headlight out to replace the bulb, it that's not an example of reapairability hostility, it's just bad design
proven olive
@grave crest My recently-acquired 2002 Chrysler 300M has... a fun time getting to the battery
jaunty jetty
if your hands were ghosts you could probably change the lightbulb without pulling the headlight, but I'm not now nor have I been dead yet
grave crest
@proven olive I advocate that every aspiring car designer should repair vehicles in the field for a year (or more) before they're even allowed to sit down at the design table.
But let's face it, they're not the ones pushing hostile designs.
proven olive
And, with "luxury" and "sports" vehicles, placement of the battery and other components can have a significant impact on performance. Luxury vehicles are typically marketed to people who just pay for others to fix it anyway.
But I agree.
jaunty jetty
hostile design is like, your car won't go into top gear until the dealer plugs in a box and pushes a button to tell the car that the oil change has taken place
grave crest
The 2002 and 1996 cars....one could blame that on poor design. But with current models that 100% need dealer or authorized servicing....grr. I'm getting angry.
-searches for inner peace-
404 not found.
jaunty jetty
never ascribe to malice what can easily be explained by stupidity
proven olive
@grave crest I had a "fun" issue with this 300M that was.... not at all a design fault, or a dealer thing, or anything.
Someone had replaced the negative terminal.
jaunty jetty
there's definitely stuff in cars that you cannot explain with stupidity
proven olive
But instead of taking the old crimped end off, they just clamped the new terminal over top of it.
grave crest
.....whaa?
proven olive
Ended up getting a colossally bad connection.
Yeah, it was bent to fit around the old end, which resulted in a portion of the bottom connecting and two bits on the top. Three lines of connection, instead of the whole wire.
grave crest
That's....um....hmm. I'm trying to find words to convey my utter disapproval, frustration, and anger I feel at that situation....sheer laziness on their part.
Repairability hostility and poor craftsmanship/workmanship are things that really get under my skin.
proven olive
In order to get to the battery, the process starts with taking off the passenger front tire. Then you have to remove a panel in the wheel well. Then you have to move the air filter stuff up and out of the way. THEN you can move the battery to get to the terminals to take them off.
grave crest
....try to do that in a Wal-Mart parking lot in the rain at night.
proven olive
Thankfully, at least the designers had jumping in mind. There's a positive and negative post for that
grave crest
What's their social media, I'll give them a negative post....
jaunty jetty
how do you jump this car?
grave crest
With a mushroom and a Plumber from the Mushroom Kingdom.
proven olive
Positive wire comes up from the battery to a post that you can clamp on to. Negative wire does similar, but... With cars the way they are, you can largely clamp on to any part of the chassis as long as you can get a connection
grave crest
Well...maybe. Everything is painted metal or plastic anymore.
proven olive
Hence the "As long as you can get a connection" bit. It's easiest to clamp onto the designated spot, but there's a few others that work.
grave crest
We had issues with that on a 1989 Chevy Van....and I doubt that's gotten any better since then.
Also, that van is considered an antique.....which makes me a dinosaur, I'd imagine.
proven olive
In Maryland, it's 20 years old or more and it's eligible for "Historic" tags
Which means the vehicle I learned to drive on - A 96 Dodge Caravan - would now be considered "Historic"
Granted, it was old when I learned to drive in 2008, but still!
grave crest
I learned to drive on a early 90s conversion van. That's all my family had, so learning how to parallel park with that is a beast compared to a regular sedan. That's driving on easy mode.
proven olive
Haha, yeah. I borrowed my Brother-in-law's car to do the test on.
And then my first vehicle was an 85 Dodge Ram. When I eventually got the Focus, it was... oh boy, different.
proven olive
Large beast to tiny car!
grave crest
these new cars are crumple-tastic (and for good reason), but the old ones could sustain a 5mph impact.
proven olive
I was rear-ended in the truck once. It was a bit beat up at that point anyway, so it didn't look any different except the license plate lights were broken. $3 later, all was good.
The other car.... Hood crumpled. Motor about six inches to a foot behind where it should have been
Looked like it had tilted, not just jumped back.
Brand new windshield, complete with tape.
grave crest
Yep, in college same thing happened to me. I was a passenger in a 90s pickup. We stopped because person in front of us did. Person behind us prioritized their cell phone instead of driving.
Our bumper was bent downwards a little bit.
Their tin can was near totaled. Couldn't even be towed, had to get a bed for it.
Oh yeah....add that as a third thing that grinds my gears. put the cell phone down
proven olive
They didn't rear-end me because of anything like that, thankfully. I was stopped, and noted a child, on a child's bike. And a large woman, on a similarly sized child's bike. The driver that hit me also noted them, and was a little distracted and hit me.
grave crest
-shakes head-
proven olive
The police officer gave me a really funny look when I mentioned that, but it matched what the other driver had said
grave crest
Consistency at least
Now I drive with 4x dashcams mounted. Because New Jersey.
I trust no one. Near 360 degree view of the car. If I survive and the camera survives, there'll be a clarity of responsibility.
jaunty jetty
get a series of quadcopters powered by basic AI that in the event of a collision pop out and fly growing spirals recording video with camera pointed at their dock on the roof
tame saddle
@grave crest has Subaru design gotten that bad? headlights take 7 minutes tops in my 07 Legacy. (driver's side anything on the engine though...ugh)
grave crest
@tame saddle Wheel well liner needs to be pulled back. It's like doing arthroscopic surgery up to your shoulders, with only your fingertips. Essentially blind.
Now, add that you're doing this usually in the rain, at night, probably in a walmart parking lot.
Even with a 2nd person as a "spotter", they're effectively useless. No flashlight will help you, as you can't get a direct line of sight on the objective.
And I realize that tone doesn't get transferred well through the internet. So if this sheer insanity doesn't convey my utter frustration, let me state it explicitly. And if you were with me when I learned about this, there'd be other things stated explicitly too. 🙊
abstract violet
@grave crest aha! I was curious about that tractor bit
had a long discussion with a prof re: his tesla and how difficult it is to maintain after x years, getting parts etc.
tame saddle
@grave crest i understand the feels behind what you're saying. been in that situation more times than should be allowed. 😄
i blame SUVs for pushing so many car designs to the state they're in. Higher lines to meet side-impact ratings, which pulls front ends up higher. so to keep weight from exploding, they shorten the front end and start cramming things on the vertical plane vs the horizontal plane... but, that's my opinion with nothing to cite.
grave crest
I can't speak to automotive design...other than really, really disliking current trends.
One big digital screen in the dash? Elimination of tactile buttons?
tame saddle
at least HUDs are trying to make a comeback...
though, current implementations are just as bad as the old ones wrt to contrast in sunlight (from what i've seen).
karmic kite
electronic emergency brakes and transmissions scare me. an E-brake is supposed to be if everything else fails I still work, and transmissions I've seen wrecked to many times from the days of push buttons
jaunty jetty
emergency brakes aren't what you think they are
they are exclusively for use when parking on sufficiently inclined roads that it would damage the brake pawl to hold the entire car against gravity for an extended period
they lack any mechanical capacity to significantly influence the vehicle's velocity at speed
they are in most cases literally a cable connected to a short lever, which runs the length of the car to a drum brake on the rear axle or in cars with drum brakes in the rear, an alternate actuator in the normal brakes
it's amazing the things people don't know about how to properly operate their vehicle; like all the people that drive around with their fog lights on 24/7
vestal phoenix
Good thing I added Bat-Chutes to the car.
jaunty jetty
batman should have batchutes....
just driving around in the batmobile emitting bats from the batchutes
oh of course http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-IM14oY6Lg_U/TywRPz3HK1I/AAAAAAAASTo/J2SiNsIagTY/s1600/bat-chute-batman-toy-1.jpg
btw this is what can happen if you don't use the parking brake on steep roads
vestal phoenix
Hmmm
grave crest
Just a kind message for everyone: I hope you all are doing well, and MAKE it a good day. For both yourselves and for those around you. 
jaunty jetty
my paranoia department interprets that message as 'something somewhere has gone extremely wrong'
grave crest
Well, in this specific case, your fears are unfounded. There's just a lot of negativity floating on the news, and I figured even if it's just a sentence, I wanted to do something to make the world a bit brighter.
[I know I sure can use it! 😃 ]
jaunty jetty
you hear that paranoia! sometimes things are just nice!
vestal phoenix
When it gets darker earlier you just need to pixels.SetBrightness(255);...and ensure adequate power by eating all your veggies and starting off the day with a good breakfast.
spice moss
as @spare ether @thin rose have those snapchat spectacles https://mspoweruser.com/snapchat-comes-to-windows-10/
also to Mac
jaunty jetty
why.....
this is like kraft easymac, for when what you really need is the knowledge that the hot slop you're consuming is labelled mac & cheese
spice moss
nova vector
My Linux PC isn't updating correctly, I think
sudo apt upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
linux-aws-tools-4.15.0-1023 linux-tools-4.15.0-1023-aws
Use 'sudo apt autoremove' to remove them.
The following NEW packages will be installed:
libgles1 linux-aws-tools-4.15.0-1025 linux-headers-4.15.0-38 linux-headers-4.15.0-38-generic linux-image-4.15.0-38-generic linux-modules-4.15.0-38-generic linux-modules-extra-4.15.0-38-generic
linux-tools-4.15.0-1025-aws
The following packages have been kept back:
libnvidia-cfg1-390 libnvidia-compute-390 libnvidia-compute-390:i386 libnvidia-decode-390 libnvidia-decode-390:i386 libnvidia-encode-390 libnvidia-encode-390:i386 libnvidia-fbc1-390 libnvidia-fbc1-390:i386
libnvidia-gl-390 libnvidia-gl-390:i386 libnvidia-ifr1-390 libnvidia-ifr1-390:i386 nodejs nodejs-dev nvidia-390 nvidia-compute-utils-390 nvidia-dkms-390 nvidia-driver-390 nvidia-kernel-source-390
nvidia-utils-390 xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-390
The following packages will be upgraded:
apt apt-utils friendly-recovery gir1.2-nautilus-3.0 gir1.2-packagekitglib-1.0 gnome-software gnome-software-common gnome-software-plugin-snap gstreamer1.0-packagekit libapt-inst2.0 libapt-pkg5.0 libegl1
libgl1 libgl1:i386 libgles2 libglvnd-core-dev libglvnd-dev libglvnd0 libglvnd0:i386 libglx0 libglx0:i386 libnautilus-extension1a libopengl0 libpackagekit-glib2-18 libvala-0.40-0 libvala-0.40-dev linux-generic
linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic linux-libc-dev linux-signed-generic linux-tools-aws linux-tools-common man-db nautilus nautilus-data packagekit packagekit-tools ubuntu-mono unattended-upgrades
valac-0.40-vapi
41 upgraded, 8 newly installed, 0 to remove and 22 not upgraded.
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Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-4.15.0-38-generic
Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-4.15.0-38-generic
Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-4.15.0-36-generic
Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-4.15.0-36-generic
Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-4.15.0-34-generic
Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-4.15.0-34-generic
Found Windows Boot Manager on /dev/nvme0n1p1@/EFI/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi
Adding boot menu entry for EFI firmware configuration
done
This is the end
It just stops
It seemed to work, just seems strange
karmic kite
are you duel booting with grub or windows boot manager?
nova vector
Grub
karmic kite
I had something like this pop up on one of my latest builds, had to manually enter the boot menu entry for windows. for some reason Grub was having troubles recognizing it
idle iron
i thought this tiny jump robot was cool
https://youtu.be/xvIk39rkkiU
tender nimbus
Mmmm Tiny robots are always cool
tender nimbus
Can this be made short ? Am I doing anything Illogical or dumb ?
var first_word = message.toLowerCase().substr(1, message.length).split(" ")[0]```BTW This is JS
late fulcrum
I'd shift to lower case after extracting the first word instead of shifting the whole thing. Not sure what you're doing with substr, just dropping the first character? You'd have to get a little fancier if you wanted to split on punctuation, tabs, carriage returns, newlines, etc.
fair summit
@tender nimbus You don't need the second arg to substr(): the whole string is the default
tender nimbus
Mmmm I using splice(1) now instead of substr(1, message.length) What is even the difference between them ???
RIP eyes rolling
Need to read a bit on em
@late fulcrum Yup Remove the first character and get the first word in lowercase
jaunty jetty
does javascript treat strings as an array of char? I know javascript mostly doesn't have types
tender nimbus
Mmmm JS doesn't treat em as arrays as far as I know
jaunty jetty
something like word[1] = word[1].toUpperCase() would be a lot cleaner
tender nimbus
Message = !somecommand
What I wanted is somecommand
jaunty jetty
have you previously confirmed that the first character in Message is '!'?
tender nimbus
Soooo what I am now doing is js first_word = message.toLowerCase().splice(1).split(" ");
Wait lemme show ya smthin
jaunty jetty
the short of it is you're building a bot that lives in a text channel, such as discord or IRC, and you're trying to capture commands, right?
jaunty jetty
thing 1, it'll be more efficient to split first so everything else has less stuff to think about
probably doesn't matter, but stuff like that is good practice and will raise the average efficiency by just a bit
jaunty jetty
btw this is one of those cases that makes me furious at javascript for not having good type systems, this would be trivial in any language with good types
but nooo, everything's a var, because what if you need it to be a double later, or a bool
tender nimbus
Mmmm can you Gimme an example of this in an another language that has good typing system ?
Oh you mean like JS doesn't have predefined types and everything is either a var const or let ?
jaunty jetty
if (input[1] = "!") {
String command = input.Substring(1,input.IndexOf(" ")).toLowerCase();
switch (command)
case something:
do.thething();
break;
}```there's probably fifty other ways to do it in C# alone using stuff like LINQ or more complex string collection handlers
you could do input.toArray(" ") and then you've got an array where every element is a word
tender nimbus
Mmmmm Demn In JS I guess we can't do string[1]
And Yeah was thinking that LOL
And Mmmm I dont need case
I have a better solution
😁
Wanna know ?
I am actually happy I could make it all from scratch
And Not copy from stackoverflow
jaunty jetty
sure
tender nimbus
Yeeey
var directory = fs.readdirSync(__dirname + "/actions");
var actions = new Object;
for(let i=0; i < directory.length; i++){
let current_action = require(`./actions/${directory[i]}`)
actions[current_action.name] = current_action
}
const OwnerID = process.env.OwnerDiscordID
const prefix = "!"
bot.on('message', function(user, userID, channelID, message, event) {
if(message.startsWith(prefix) && (event.d.guild_id || event.d.author.id === OwnerID)) {
var first_word = message.toLowerCase().slice(1).split(" ")[0]
if(first_word === "help"){
for(command in actions){
let help_message = []
};
};
};
});```}); 😠
tender nimbus
Mmmm Why ?
jaunty jetty
javascript
jaunty jetty
I have no doubt that is correct, but even }; is super dumb
jaunty jetty
I'm reading, not awake enough for my glasses yet
tender nimbus
And Mmmm I actually wanted to use Python for this project
But Mmmm I dont know Python
And LOL I was the same in the morning
jaunty jetty
I think you should break out the big if statement, you're checking three things, but if the message doesn't start with prefix you don't care about the other two, and if not the other two you don't care if it starts with prefix, most messages won't be commands so check if they are first, alone
jaunty jetty
if(message.startsWith(prefix) && (event.d.guild_id || event.d.author.id === OwnerID)) {
tender nimbus
Yeah Yeah I know you are talking about that line
jaunty jetty
this checks all 3 things for every message
tender nimbus
Yup
jaunty jetty
but if message.startsWith(prefix) == false, the other things are irrelevant
tender nimbus
It needs to listen to messages only with prefixes and only from guilds with an exception of dms from me
Yeah....
jaunty jetty
so if you make it two if statements, that first checks for prefix, and then checks for identity, the vast majority of messages that are not commands at all won't check for if the message sender is allowed to send commands
if(event.d.guild_id || event.d.author.id === OwnerID) {```this way for the majority of events you're doing one comparison instead of three
that's a tangent though
tender nimbus
Tangent ?
jaunty jetty
so your thing, I don't really get it
jaunty jetty
I am as established not super well versed in javascript because it's chaos space marines all the way and I'm more of a tau player, but the whole actions object I don't get
jaunty jetty
everything after if(first_word === "help"){ seems like it wouldn't do anything
btw, javascript, === really?
tender nimbus
Sooo There's an actions folder which contains separate js modules containing reaction to each command. So I load up all the modules in a single object in the main file and Use it pull commands using the commands as keys to the object
And Yup 😅 😅
Cause Using one = sets the value to that variable
jaunty jetty
so, two is a thing in javascript, but it's not the same
I think I understand how your files are, but I don't get the code
does it work? if it works that's good
jaunty jetty
since I don't understand it's function I can't advise on it's efficacy, so if it works then cool
tender nimbus
I dont get how dont you get my code. I tried to use the most obvious names
Oooooh I see
jaunty jetty
btw, JavaScript and Python are both 'C-like' languages, I think you'll have less trouble than you expect. if this isn't an important thing in your life as a human trying to live well, I encourage you to just go learn python
'we' can help, I can't but loads of people here can
tender nimbus
Readdir reads the given path and returns an array of files in the given path. Require pulls in everything inside a module.exports object from the module js file.
Mmmm I want to get asap at Python
But Currently I dont have a PC
So I dont want more complications
I know how to code NodeJS on Android So I am doing that way 😅
jaunty jetty
you're programming on your phone/tablet?
jaunty jetty
good on you, I know that can be complicated
jaunty jetty
does a PC you own exist somewhere?
jaunty jetty
there are remote desktop and remote terminal systems that you can use to access machines from your android phone; it may be entirely impractical to set that up now but it could be a thing
jaunty jetty
oh so you're near it, but it's currently experiencing a state of not existing
jaunty jetty
this would be a much bigger thing, but there are ways to get a VM for cheap or free
tender nimbus
There's no free options I can find
And If I could spend money I could have spent it on the Computer itself
jaunty jetty
linode has a 5$/month tier, and there are promotion codes for a free 20$, so it's 5$ for the first 5 months
not gonna fix a PC for 5$
jaunty jetty
fair
jaunty jetty
btw, google news: they're putting in place a policy where OEMs will be required to put out a certain number of security updates over the first year after a device releases, and an unspecified non-zero number of security updates in the second year
I'm not in a position to buy a new phone, but next year when my contract is paid off this will be important, as a new phone rather than just needing to be better in performance, will have participation in this policy.
it's unclear how google plans to enforce this, but it's entirely possible that they could withhold licensing new devices to companies that have under-supported devices, so say samsung puts out the galaxy note smart fit play 12, and then never mentions it again, when they go to release the next galaxy S#, google could say "you gotta fix up this GNSFP12 situation first"
late fulcrum
Blackberry is really good about updating their phones. Mine just got Android 8.
jaunty jetty
when did your phone release?
late fulcrum
The Priv was October 2015, the KeyONE February 2017.
jaunty jetty
dang blackberry
cursive pike
Suzanne, my SO saw the coolest thing at this art thing she’s at today.
tame saddle
that's pretty impressive. i'm going to assume that a CNC was used. those joints line up perfectly...
jaunty jetty
My guess is laser cutter
tender nimbus
Deeeeeemn
Those are all motherboard peices
Is that real ???
Cause I can see a half cut CPU socket and if its real Then daaaaaaaaimn. This is a master peice
jaunty jetty
It'd be a tough shoop because of the specular reflections
tame saddle
@tender nimbus please don't circumvent @solar ridge's curse filter...
tame saddle
Thanks. We have quite a few young [single-digit] members in our audience, so we try to keep it as clean as possible.
late fulcrum
I'm guessing a water jet cutter.
nova vector
Firefox can’t find the file at jar:file:///usr/lib/firefox/browser/features/activity-stream@mozilla.org.xpi!/chrome/content/prerendered/en-US/activity-stream.html.
When I try to open a new tab
This doesn't seem good
tender nimbus
Jar ? That looks complicated for me 😅
jaunty jetty
@tender nimbus
tender nimbus
Where are you from ?
tender nimbus
Where is that ?
jaunty jetty
South of london, north of texas, west of some parts of canada, east of all parts of mexico
jaunty jetty
Mercanter projection will help
jaunty jetty
Mercanter
tender nimbus
Whats that ?
jaunty jetty
A projection
jaunty jetty
jaunty jetty
Different map projections attempt to preserve different truths in deforming a spherical surface to a planar surface, mercator preserves horizontal latitude with fixed spacing and vertical longitude it doesnt preserve area or longitudinal spacing
tender nimbus
Mmmm Globe preserves everything ?
jaunty jetty
Yea, but do you have a globe?
tender nimbus
LOL I have google maps
jaunty jetty
Also no but the aspherical nature of the earth is beyond this quest
jaunty jetty
Complicated
jaunty jetty
"N/A"
tender nimbus
So student ?
jaunty jetty
Nope
jaunty jetty
Alive
tender nimbus
Mmmm Okay
😅 😂
Do you want to Join my server ? @jaunty jetty
It's for testing out my bot
Can you like give a hand by keeping an eye over there ?
jaunty jetty
Nah I'm good
jaunty jetty
Btw i'm at mcdonalds, one thumb typing
tender nimbus
Ooooh Sorry for the inconvenience. You dont need to reply this. Enjoy and have a good day.
cursive pike
@jaunty jetty which london?
jaunty jetty
England and ontario
cursive pike
haha
late fulcrum
Not to be confused with Loudoun.
jaunty jetty
Also south of London, Wisconsin, and London, Minnessota
karmic kite
I have a 22" touch screen, works terrible on windows 10 but great on 7 and linux...
jaunty jetty
I found the most unuseful IC in my scrap pile, and decided to take the best photo I could of it
it's a PCMCIA expansion card power controller
I love seeing into the laser pathway
real anvil
neat! i've never seen anything like that. haha
proven olive
@jaunty jetty Do those diodes have traces going through them?
jaunty jetty
yep
spice moss
jaunty jetty
Thats either a very huge phone ore a very small controller
covert spire
Given it's probably an android, both
karmic kite
planes and stuff
kindred hedge
planey mic plan fase
dusty citrus
hehe
karmic kite
I really need to read farther back in convos before popping in
but laser pointers are huge issues with planes near airports
kindred hedge
but why
jaunty jetty
it's a federal crime to point a laser at a plane
the pilots upon becoming aware of a laser on their plane are required to assume they are being fired upon
karmic kite
it is indeed but people still do it
karmic kite
it is kinda of an eye soar
jaunty jetty
most of the time they don't
jaunty jetty
yes
kindred hedge
lol
dusty citrus
If you're axial to the oncoming beam you will see it
a pretty good sized cone, too
(I just made that up / I bet it's true)
jaunty jetty
laser pointers are not typically focused well, or at all
within the scope of a lecture hall or meeting room it'll stay small enough to be bright
dusty citrus
RONJA
ronja is interesting since it's not collimated
or its collimated but not coherent
dusty citrus
I can't find the theory of op but I did find the build instrux for the 'head' of a RONJA xmitr:
http://ronja.twibright.com/tubular_head_130/building.php
I read through all this .. once. ;)
I felt like I should be using Bronner's soap while building it. ;)
(all one!)
wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RONJA
the guy sends high def video through a desk lamp (LED lamp) which continues to illuminate the room as usual. ;)
proven olive
Huh, Discord wasn't showing that I was looking at things from Ye Olde Times
dusty citrus
dusty citrus
Winston Churchill's Iron Curtain Speech
https://www.thoughtco.com/winston-churchills-iron-curtain-speech-1779492
or
https://preview.tinyurl.com/thotc-churchil-iron-c-sp-c7f charley seven foxtrot
The speech was name-dropped in an episode of Wm. F. Buckley's Firing Line I watched on YouTube (fed to me by my ongoing interest in Christopher Hitchens)
this:
Christopher HItchens on Firing Line w/Buckley
'The Fulton Speech' is mentioned here:
https://youtu.be/lUH4RzAofv8?t=492
old fjord
@dusty citrus what about upload?
dusty citrus
I don't know what he does in specific -- just heard about this recently.
But it's just LED modulation and oh I saw a dongle he had for this.
He said 'remember when we had wifi dongles for new computers that had no internal wifi?'
Then he showed a LiFi dongle about twice the usual size.
For the laptop he probably aims it directly at the other 'station'.
Then passes HD video between the two computers, using LiFi.
It's useful bandwidth.
old fjord
Interesting
Personally think there way be too many challenges to make it popular and useful
Obviously for upload and download you need sensors + lights on both devices.
They both have to be pointed towards each other
Other light could oversaturare and mess up the signal
dusty citrus
You'll see it at SpaceX and places like that, first, if it's a truly good idea.
Don't forget that TEMPEST emission is a big problem; LiFi basically poses the (photographer's) Darkroom Problem as the primary security issue.
old fjord
I dunno there are just so many holes in the idea
dusty citrus
We've been doing error correction for decades; signal dropout only matters for keystroke latency and other interactives.
dusty citrus
anyway I like it a lot and I find it far more interesting than RF based solutions.
Do some research as your basic assumptions are dealt with (they are not unusual).
old fjord
It’s interesting for sure. Giant dinosaur robots are interesting, but it’s not practical.
I will
Thanks for clearing some things up
dusty citrus
Hehe. There's a lot there to look at. You're welcome.
dusty citrus
If Voyager were to travel to Proxima Centauri, at this rate, it would take over 73,000 years to arrive.
https://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/features/cosmic/nearest_star_info.html
17.3 km/s
Big numbers with lots of digits of precision and their calculation were fairly tedious to work with, even when I was in my early 20's. ;)
I never get tired of being able calculate to absurd numbers of digits (at least, holding all the zeroes where they belong, instead of relying on an exponent to describe the size of the absolute number itself).
dusty citrus
🔸
https://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~phiscock/papers/using-seyon.pdf
"A terminal emulation program is a program that sucks the intelligence out of a personal computer and turns it into a relic of the past: the dumb terminal.
To appreciate the absence of functions of the classic dumb terminal, we have to journey back to the Jurassic Age of computer technology, the Time of the Mainframe, between perhaps 1960 and 1975."
dreamy solstice
so I was given a macbook pro by a friend, the login info given didnt work
is there any way I can.. format the internal hdd
and load a new clean install of osx onto it?
late fulcrum
If it's an older one with a CD-ROM drive, you can force it to boot from a CD/DVD by holding down the C key while powering it up.
There are a few other possibilities (using hardware diagnostics to format the disk, net boot, boot from a USB drive, etc.) https://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/15-startup-key-combinations-for-mac
dreamy solstice
nvm, I'm installing mac os to an external hdd from the recovery os
dusty citrus
OpenFirmware was used on iMac G4 - there was a sequence to access it.
(it's a Forth) ;)
vaguely analogous to CMOS Setup in IBM PC-land
dusty citrus
Anderson PowerPole short cables:
That wide black thing is a bladed automotive fuseholder, which is inline on a PowerPole cable with banana plugs on the business end. That's a very short cable.
The white connector on the end on the upper coiled cable is T-shaped and is meant to connect directly to the power input of a ham rig.
The bottom coiled one is just a 2-wire jumper.
15.7 mm across the smallest dimension there.
The two-wire ganged connector is setup so that you could connect the red on one end to the black on the other end, but you cannot connect them both at the same time.
So while they are genderless they are not symmetrical.
Black and red are setup opposite, so that in ganged 2-wire connections you cannot cross connect by accident (as in low lighting where you cannot see the colors at all).
Red and black (as a pair, as in the last photo) appear to be separable,
but I don't know how to do so
and there's no obvious play or give, to get started.
Seems very unlikely to separate unintentionally.
This shows a (the?) secret: a locking pin:
https://ham.stackexchange.com/questions/6065/how-do-i-separate-dovetailed-powerpole-housings
dusty citrus
🔺
saw a vblog that said you cannot learn French by living in Paris because if you make the slightest error they invariably override you and switch the conversation to English. ;)
In Debian there are 5296 tab-completions for:
$ apt-get install python3[TAB]
they really like their package divisioning
somehow I see stallman going 'no no no it was all supposed to be emacs' here ;)
there's probably python stoddard fluid to start your fourth of july barbeque
haha
apparently my friend conflated stoddard with starter ;)
dusty citrus
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