also the ears hurt sometimes.
#general-chat
dusty citrus
late fulcrum
I lost the nosepiece from one pair, so I made a replacement out of hot glue and molded it to fit while it was still warm. Surprisingly comfortable, but it looked pretty rough.
dusty citrus
hehe. YEah I'll bet a hot glue pad shaped nicely is a good seat.
late fulcrum
I'm fond of "cable wrap" earpieces that wrap around the ear, so my glasses won't fall off when I'm bent over running engines, electronics, etc., but they aren't popular any more and the ones available aren't well made.
dusty citrus
pro tip: for 1" nylon webbing (cargo strap) two ceramic floor tiles are used to press hard on the hot ends you just melted with a flame.
jaunty jetty
wire frame glasses like the pair I can wear all day, weigh little enough and have a spring mechanism that the temples are able to hold themselves slightly above your ears instead of resting on them
dusty citrus
I had a pair of Bosch and Lomb sunglasses with the wrap-around. They were helpful in the kayak in white water. ;)
Didn't see any need for the plastic brow piece (not sure if this pair had those or not).
One ear is lower than the other so glasses sit crooked on my face if I don't bend them a little.
jaunty jetty
then you probably want to go with metal
the resin ones can be heat formed, but not as much
dusty citrus
Yeah I seem to remember the one time I had done this the standard way, the optometrist had special bending pliers for the purpose.
I checked my eyes with the stars (in the sky, heh) the other night. The right one is definitely better and dominant, but the left is pretty good at infinity.
I never ever notice while riding my bike that the left one is a bit lazy and out of focus (astigmatism)
dusty citrus
florence will make landfall thursday/friday timeframe. It'll be a Major hurricane out in the ocean, prior to landfall.
jaunty jetty
yanno one of the weird things about not watching TV or news is I didn't know about Florence
oh, that's probably going to hit michigan
dusty citrus
source tree:
https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/storm_graphics/AT06/
Generally during any hurricane season you can bookmark them internally (bypassing the web HTML display stuff) directly in your web browser.
From year to year they can change location on their web server -- they don't seem to mind direct access. If the directory is listable, they seem okay with you accessing it.
If you go up one level you can access graphics for the other storms.
AT06 means 'F' as in Florence. AT08 means 'H' as in Helene. Like that.
I use this one all year round to decided if I need to visit NHC or not:
https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/tafb_latest/danger_atl_latestBW.gif
Yeah I often hear about these things far too late, but weather I'm (at least periodically) well versed on.
grave crest
@dusty citrus You're not going to let anyone rain on your parade!
dreamy solstice
would the acer aspire am5641 bios support a lga 771 xeon cpu with a lga 775 adapter?
cause.. I want to give my desktop this 2nd gen core i7 equivalent of a quad core xeon cpu.. with the adapter.. it'd work in the lga775 socket.. but I'm worried the bios wont support it
elfin wave
howdy everybody! it's been too long. I gotta get back to my electronics projects.
jaunty jetty
do you consider Chewbacca to be a sidekick?
cunning shuttle
in the main story line, yes
drifting oasis
@jaunty jetty yes
granite portal
@dreamy solstice that would be a question for the Acer support team
dreamy solstice
ok..
granite portal
๐คท they're the only ones that'll know if the bios supports that
drifting oasis
@dreamy solstice what mobo/chipset is in it?
dreamy solstice
I dont know the exact mobo number .. but it has the nvidia 7100 chipset(compatible with some intel chipsets.. and the cpus I've tested where the pentium e2200 and the pentium 4 ht)
opal hazel
@dreamy solstice That would make it an i630. If you search the internet people have put q9550s in them. I've put a 771 xeon X5470 in a evga nvidia 780 mb with adapter. So you do have a chance. No gurrantee but a good possibility.
dreamy solstice
alright
the cpu is just $22 (pre modded to work in lga775)
guess it wont hurt to try
opal hazel
Put a fan on the voltage regulators at the very least. You are jumpping classes in terms of power.
frozen shore
This is very interesting: https://hackspace.raspberrypi.org/features/numworks-calculator-review-sorry-what-a-calculator-in-2018
jaunty jetty
someone aughta build a face contraption that uses a series of mirrors in a sort of hyperscope arrangement but it's function is to create false distance so you can put this thing on and look at things near you as if they are far away
for eye strain exercises
I don't have anything 20+ft away I can look at without looking through a windowscreen, which ruins the whole thing
grave crest
@frozen shore What do you like particularly about the numworks?
jaunty jetty
it's an M4 with a screen in a nice enclosure, what's not to love (other than that the images are all CG)
grave crest
@jaunty jetty Well....for me, the cost. I'm not saying it's not worth it -- I just see a $100 pricetag, and for someone who doesn't need a calculator that strongly....oomph.
drifting oasis
lol
frozen shore
@grave crest Well, I can't afford one, yet, but the Demo that they have is pretty cool and you can download it to run on your own machine. In addition, it runs Python, according to that review, which sounds awesome.
Also, open-source, you could print your own enclosure for it, or change the firmware.
I'll need to save my pennies up for it.
@jaunty jetty, You think that image of it on the wood desk is CG?
jaunty jetty
For a fact thats not wood, but the lighting is all wrong, as if it were in a light box
frozen shore
Looks like wood venere, to me and that ruler looks real enough.
There are shadows along the right side of everything.
jaunty jetty
Its at best wood grain laminate
Renders are really good at putting light in the correct places, but designing materials to look realistic and light correctly is a degree program at caltech
Look at the compass, I've seen many of exactly that compass, and other objects made of stainless steel, they dont look like that
frozen shore
Are we looking at the same picture, as I do not see any compass.
the ruler looks like clear plastic, because you can see the surface of the woodgrain through it
jaunty jetty
The header image on their site
frozen shore
Well, I hadn't mentioned the article by name, so that is part my fault, but I never had gone to their hamepage before, I had only seen the article image and that is what I was talking about.
dreamy solstice
is there any way to have an arduino output keystrokes into a computer via usb? like.. telling the computer to receive certain keyboard inputs.. the same way a usb keyboard would input into a computer? I'm trying to build a peripheral for a computer.. that is a.. gamepad controller of sorts(since I dont feel like buying one.. so I can have the fun of making it)
late fulcrum
I don't think a stock Arduino can do that (the USB chip is serial-only). However, the ones that use one of the Atmel USB chips (32U4, 16U4, etc.) can have those chips reprogrammed. Similarly, the variants using USB-capable microcontrollers (again 32U4, also M0, M4, Teensy, etc.) can emulate a USB keyboard and do things like that.
Alternatively, there are shields that offer that functionality.
late fulcrum
Yup, the CPX can do that: https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-circuit-playground-express/circuitpython-hid-keyboard
jaunty jetty
what if a box on your desk with a handful of mechanical keyboard keys on it and some very quiet actuators that will rapidly press the buttons in a slightly variated rythme so that when you're on the phone with people you can make it sounds like you type wicked fast
main kiln
I ordered the NumWorks almost as soon as I saw it
The great thing about it is that you can run terminal commands, and do things like SSH into a Rpi and use it as your interface
It also runs WAAAY faster than equivalent TI models. The calculations for graphs or sequences are lighting fast compared to, say, my TI-84 CE
Open source coded entirely in C++, so, for me, it is future proofed for any application I may need. I technically could use it as a portable datalogger or even run my python application to read CAN-Bus data from my car.
I just used the simulator to run a function from my Vision systems class, and it ran it as fast as my lab computer.
jaunty jetty
my interest is if it can be overclocked
it's running a 100MHz M4, the M4 can definitely handle more than that but I don't know about this specific M4 or the board it's built on
presumibly they downclocked it for battery reasons
in general I want to see it cracked open, what if there's GPIO or something like SPI that could be tapped into for expansion
main kiln
If it can be opened up without any damage, then I will and send back some HD images of the interior
Actually, they have documentation for it already
Here's the PCB
jaunty jetty
I see 3 pads named SPI
there doesn't appear to be a component on them so it does seem available
I don't see anything that seems to be GPIO so it would be limited to a single SPI device
jaunty jetty
btw the EU passed the new copyright laws that make google illegal *runs away
stiff crescent
Well, it goes for revision, then re-introduced to be voted on again, then passed by member countries. Still opportunities to kill it. Lets hope some people come to their senses.
jaunty jetty
I've been informed that the vote was to finalize the text, so no more revisions. Then it'll be voted into law by a strong majority next spring
for those who don't suffer the news, this law impliments (section 11) a requirement that if you link to a site with a snippet of the content on that site, you must pay them, and they are forbidden from allowing you to do it for free and (section 13) all services must scan all user uploaded content for copyright violations
drifting oasis
@jaunty jetty huh?
dusty citrus
off-the-scale rainfall rates predicted:
https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/storm_graphics/AT06/refresh/AL0618WPCQPF+gif/212431WPCQPF_sm.gif
Places that normally receive that kind of rainfall already had their mudslides a long time ago.
Places that never get that kind of rain -- it's a very bad outcome.
shrewd hatch
does anyone know of a tuturial for making a pci-e device
granite portal
oof
proven olive
@shrewd hatch PCI-E devices (Or any PC-related device) involves... a lot. When you get to that sort of device, the length of traces on the PCB matters. Every tiny little capacitor matters. It's not something you can just... find a tutorial on and do.
That said, what sort of device are you looking for?
Odds are, it already exists.
jaunty jetty
there are some arduino devices that fit into a PCIe slot, but they're actually USB
shrewd hatch
custom robot controller
jaunty jetty
USB's probably fine for that
late fulcrum
While not a tutorial, the data sheet for the TI XIO1100 chip covers a lot of the details: http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/xio1100.pdf
jaunty jetty
is there a particular value to having it be inside a PC case?
late fulcrum
I've built PCI boards, they're not too insane. However, I'd have to amend "any PC-related device" to any modern one: the old ISA bus you could implement with discrete transistors and paper clips.
jaunty jetty
also PCI was easier than PCIe in some ways
lower base clock, generally less going on
late fulcrum
Yeah, PCIe is going to require controlled impedance traces, proper termination, length matching, etc. It's getting into the regime I used to work with in the 1980s, where people would quip "anything under 100MHz is DC".
jaunty jetty
also PCIe is serial
late fulcrum
reads Yup, 2.5Gbps half-duplex differential pairs, one in each direction.
Looking for useful reference designs, I tripped across this demo board http://www.actel.com/ipdocs/GL_ACTEL_PCIe_Demo_Board_DS.pdf
Unsurprisingly, the usual approach seems to be to use an interface chip (like that TI chip) talking to an FPGA.
jaunty jetty
anyway, I find it real hard to imagine a situation where the data for controlling a robot would exceed the throughput of USB 2.2, and then you could use USB 3.1
both of which you should be able to access through a PCI slot if the formfactor matters
late fulcrum
Throughput isn't usually the limiting factor for USB, but latency can be.
jaunty jetty
there's ways to mitigate that
shrewd hatch
there is a high chance i may try to add a sfp port to the unit
jaunty jetty
don't you hate it when you open chrome for the fifth time of the day, and it's different now
granite portal
they must be doing a slow rollout for that update - ive had a few people mention the new update the last few days, but i havent got it yet
jaunty jetty
the most worst part, is now it's brighter and more white than ever, my favorite reason I don't use chrome as my main browser
granite portal
๐คท mine's nice and dark
I'd take a pic of my home one cause it has a dark URL bar too, but i cant cause im at work ๐
jaunty jetty
oh and they made everything bigger
granite portal
i used to have the dark url bar here too, but a windows update broke that so badly i had to do a complete system reinstall, so i dont dare do it again to my work pc
tbh i like things big, i just dont have it big because for some reason the new tab page shares its scale value with every other google site
jaunty jetty
I only have the tab bar (reason 4) and the address bar, and it's the top inch of my screen
the real reason is that a very specific feature and set of surrounding features are strictly not possible in chrome, and I won't go without them
the first is this https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/url-alias-8703/
plugins similar to this exist for chrome but with one unacceptable asterisk, chrome plugins must use a global prefix command for their own commands, which is the same as adding two characters to 90% of times I enter text into the address bar
the second is address bars are not for search, and you can't disable that in chrome
I need five cents to get free shipping on amazon....
granite portal
๐ค chrome does exactly what that addon says it does for firefox tho
i type mail, it goes to gmail
i type 'todo' it goes to the google sheets doc we have for our teams 'to do' list
jaunty jetty
right but I typo 'gm walmart' and get directions to walmart
granite portal
like this?
jaunty jetty
no
granite portal
oh
๐คท idk what that addon does then ๐
granite portal
yup
jaunty jetty
it basically comes down to this, I want the address bar to be entirely deterministic, and if it is willing to interpret some things as search terms then it's not deterministic
I have had so many times when I could not navigate to an IP address on my LAN because a browser decided it was a search term
no searchy, so I use URL Alias to impliment commands to access search features in a deterministic, explicitly clear and unambiguous way
just typing 'walmart' into the address bar should result in an error, and you can't make that happen in chrome
main kiln
I actually totally agree. The address bar should be for URLs. You should go to google.com, then use their search for a general search.
jaunty jetty
I don't currently remember the arcane series of flags you have to change deep in firefox to make it work that way, but it's like three things
granite portal
fair i guess
chrome does do this thing where if i want to search google for an issue with say, tumblr, then i'll type 'tumblr issue' and it will instead search tumblr for 'issue', so i can see where you're coming from
jaunty jetty
all I know about that is that searching tumblr for anything is NSFW
granite portal
jaunty jetty
so instead of 5 cents I went with 873 cents to buy V groove bearings for my mostly shelved pick'n'placer
huzzah today I have bought an appropriate power supply and new casters for my cat litter
I'm going to have to figure out a way to switch mains AC, since there's no control line on this 350W power supply
did amazon get terrible at time in the last year or so?
I ordered 5-8 day free, and the email says it'll be here in 12 to 16 days
I remember a similar thing happening with my last three orders, and then at some point they revised it
grave crest
@jaunty jetty Amazon (& ebay) are notorious for huge lead times for electronics parts if they aren't shipped directly from Amazon. So many of them are coming from overseas -- it's hard to find a supplier of discount items domestically.
I order things from ebay, and I forget about them....and 2-3 months later, I get a surprise package. It's like christmas!
If I need something within a reliable timeframe and I'm not as sensitive to cost, I go to Digikey/Mouser/Newark/Arrow/McMaster-Carr/Grainger.
jaunty jetty
I paid free for 5-8 days, if they dont deliver that's an NRE and what then?
grave crest
*shrug. Contact customer service? I saw that same power supply you linked, and it seemed pretty clear it'd be mid-october before it was available + 5-8 day shipping.
Might be able to cancel the order, etc.
It's not ideal, but such is life at times.
jaunty jetty
I bought the power supply on arrow, amazon was casters
jaunty jetty
do any of you know if.... so in Eve Online there was this update around 2010 where they made it so when you dock at a station, there's this little apartment you can walk around as a duder, but there was this one door in every apartment that would take you to the station where you could walk around with other players; but the door wouldn't open because they hadn't implimented that yet. Is that a thing yet?
oh....
they removed the walking as a duder thing
last year....
yea, they built it in 2010, and decomissioned it mid 2017, so for 7 years they had this pseudo-abandoned feature that nobody used because it didn't offer any benefits for it's dramatic reduction in efficacy
crude trench
jaunty jetty
I knew it
that's still not right, should be 18th to 21st, but that'll probably happen too
jaunty jetty
How much use do you think there is in post-mortems of companies making extremely bad decisions and suffering the consequences, to the maker tier of consumers
I just watched Forgotten Weapon's video for the day, which is about the USFA Zip 22, it's one of those guns that wraps a handful of bad ideas in a bad implimentation and creates the demise of it's creator through their own terrible decisions. Designed to be a very cheap core to a modular platform that never got fleshed out because the core was really bad, USFA sold all the stuff they needed to make the guns they had been selling to pay for the tools to make the zip 22. They had expected to make enough profit from the gun to buy their tools back but instead went out of business after 2 years
if you ignore all the instances of the word gun, they made tools, people bought the tools, they had a 'great' idea for a new tool, stopped making the tools people wanted, and people didn't want the tool they switched to but they couldn't switch back and were destroyed
jaunty jetty
supposedly my power supply is going to arrive in the next 15 minutes
jaunty jetty
it's not here yet
ah, I see, they've decided that wasn't practical and revised the delivery time to "today"
gotta love last minute fact revisions
so it arrived, 11 minutes late is acceptable but....
the fedex person..... was driving a uhaul
since when does fedex drive uhauls?
one like this
it's so shiiiiiiney
grave crest
Fedex in many locations outsources to private contractors, where it doesn't make sense for them to maintain a distribution fleet.
jaunty jetty
I believe that's how all of it works, but they have to lease fedex branded vehicles
grave crest
It's one of the reasons I dislike Fedex so much where I'm at. The UPS man is a friend of the family. We bake him cookies for Christmas every year.
Fedex? They leave a graphics card sitting literally in the yard, in the rain. When we have an enclosed back porch and covered front porch.
We called them up, and they could NOT care less about our issue. After escalating it twice up the chain, we finally got someone who "brushed us off/addressed our concerns" and said they'll look into it.
ha. ha.
I make it a point to buy from places who do NOT ship Fedex.
jaunty jetty
yea, I typically go for USPS when possible, because they deliver to a locked box
grave crest
Oh, I ordered a computer via FedEx. They said "we tried to deliver TWICE but no one was home -- we needed a signature."
Oh which days again? You mean the days I was home on vacation doing yard work with my family, and there was someone outside from sunrise to sunset BOTH of those days, expecting a delivery?
Sigh.
Never once had an issue with UPS.
jaunty jetty
UPS is fine
I've never had an issue with fedex, but USPS works best for me most of the time
AMZL can go throw a cliff off a cliff and jump off it
AMZL has about quarter mile delivery accuracy
jaunty jetty
the supply powered up and nothing exploded!
grave crest
Me: Yay!
Mythbusters: Ah, shucks.
opal hazel
Fedex dude ran over my sewer cleanout. Busted it all up. I prefer usps, they know my long driveway.
covert spire
FedEx once argued with me when I called to inform them they delivered an expensive audio system to wrong location. I'm not calling them to give out free expensive systems. I had to take it to correct location & let the owner know so they can leave the negative feedback.
grave crest
Oh, fedex delivered the wrong person's package to us one day.
Not even a nearby address, it was WAY across town. Absolutely no way for them to get it mixed up.
They had the AUDACITY to tell us to "take it over there for them". Um. NO.
It took a week for them to pick up their package.
Poor person who ordered their stuff must've been furious.
[oh, we had to call TWO MORE TIMES to tell them to pick up their package to be redelivered. It wasn't until we threatened to throw it away as we're not a warehouse, they sent someone the next day.]
vestal phoenix
Marking up a piece of wrongly delivered mail with "Person does not live here - WRONG ADDRESS, RETURN TO SENDER" highlighting the correct street number, etc. and even crossing out the barcode will guarantee that USPS will redeliver that piece of mail back into my mailbox the next day.
grave crest
I can understand why Adafruit doesn't look too fondly on USPS for some orders, @vestal phoenix -- but they're squeaky clean in comparison to FedEx.
Wait, USPS redelivered the WRONG mail to you?
lol. wow.
bravo team.
vestal phoenix
I don't want someone else's bills, I got enough of my own. And those supeonas.
I was outside mowing the lawn and saw an unmarked delivery truck stop by the neighbors. The guy got out and waved. He wanted to get my attention so he could show off his throwing skills as he tossed the box over the hedges and fence and onto that porch. I gave him the thumbs up.
'caus I don't get along with the neighbors...
grave crest
Package everything as if they're going to be given to a professional rugby player.
Who has a grudge.
and is clumsy.
vestal phoenix
and has had 10 cups of coffee and hasn't been able to find a pit stop along the route.
opal hazel
I just sent my DnD books to my niece at college, I needed packing so I got a bunch of stuffed animals for the trip. Usps 25lb $80 with 500ins.
vestal phoenix
With Priority mail, I think the limit is 70lbs of rocks if it will fit in the box to get your money's worth.
opal hazel
Back in the day I had to send back a vapochil (HVac cpu cooler) The only service that would take it without freight weight was usps. Later I just learned HVac. Then I gave up.
vestal phoenix
Depending on your retail post office, that would have meant getting on a long line only to be told by the clerk at the window to fill out some more forms which you had to hunt for and get back on line.
grave crest
@vestal phoenix Oh man that sounds familiar.
vestal phoenix
I got yelled at once for writing the address in the address box with permanent marker on a priority mailer envelope. I think in fine print is says some government form goes there...it's an official address label sticker you're supposed to put there. I was the better person, didn't grumble and apologized I will not do it next time. They reluctantly accepted the package. Then I went to the other counter to hoard a few address labels.
jaunty jetty
chances are strong some of you should be considering the demands on your attention, and the negative consequences
https://youtu.be/wf2VxeIm1no
I should
dusty citrus
he has it inverted.
jaunty jetty
that's about as vague as you could be
dusty citrus
-C0FFEE INVERT . C0FFED ok
C0FFEE INVERT . -C0FFEF ok
-C0FFEF INVERT . C0FFEE ok
-C0FFEF NEGATE INVERT . -C0FFF0 ok
do you need more coffee?
dusty citrus
I had double my usual amount.
dusty citrus
Hehe. Well it's just not something I can do most days.
jaunty jetty
camelpak would help
dusty citrus
Usually 20 oz early in the morning still puts me at risk of being wide awake at 2 the next morning.
I had this 'farm house bold' blend stuff this morning at the local cumberland farms
I like the standard Green Mountain blend better.
jaunty jetty
I got a trick, schiff makes a pill called Knock Out, it's a heavy dose of melatonin, velarian, and thianine, add to that 50mg of diphenhydramine and you will be unconscious for at least 12 hours
dusty citrus
(I've paid more than three dollars for a very large cup of coffee about eight times in my life)
jaunty jetty
so what's inverted?
dusty citrus
I can't remember exactly. But basically people escape into these time and attention sinks.
They're fleeing something.
jaunty jetty
not really
and it's not so much that they're attention sinks
they're attention traps, they're designed to abuse the human brain and exploit behavior through psychology to create a trapped audience
like a million highly specialized skinner boxes
dusty citrus
Well yeah. Just watch telebishiion for a while.
I can't physically stand to watch television because of the constant motion.
jaunty jetty
I don't own a television
when I'm at my mom's house it's very difficult to look away from her TV because everything on it is designed to take my attention, not draw it, just take it
dusty citrus
Right. I have to sit facing away from that or even leave the room.
I'd rather accidentally walk into a bandsaw. ;)
The thing I liked about that video was: nice human-ride.
They have trains now.
grave crest
@dusty citrus My issue with broadcast TV is commercials. Hear me out. During any other activity, would you accept a guaranteed 30% waste of time and resources? No.
Out of every 60 minute hour, ~40minutes are dedicated to programming and 20 to commercials.
dusty citrus
You can watch for hours from the front of the train, looking forward down the track (on Yu Tughb)
jaunty jetty
now imagine you were the kind of person that uses twitter, reddit, facebook, watches youtube, listens to podcasts, reads the news, and has all of these things on their cellphone along with a dozen terrible non-games
grave crest
But you tell people "I don't watch TV", they look at you as if you're....fundamentally broken.
dusty citrus
Well guess what most of society is .. exactly that: fundamentally broken.
jaunty jetty
at least that's dying off, since most "TV" is online
dusty citrus
I'd respond "I'm not doing it out of solidarity with the rest of you"
grave crest
Let's just say that me and ad blockers are best of friends.
jaunty jetty
imagine a world where one of the classes you have to take before highschool was about maintaining your psychological wellbeing
dusty citrus
Daily outdoor activity has the potential to connect a person to the environment they really (really) live in.
I find it openly pathetic when I see someone with a plastic square in their hand out in the streets.
jaunty jetty
probably a 2 week segment on mindfullness, a 2 week segment on the importance of exercise in feeling happiness, how to know when you need help, stuff like that, just a couple semesters between 5th and 8th grade
plastic square in their hand?
my phone is steel and glass
dusty citrus
Yeah everything they have is a plastic square you hold in your hand
(nothing particularly round or triangular)
I remember fending off Day Timer people
jaunty jetty
are we talking about clipboards?
dusty citrus
Sure clipboards count.
also really bad ergonomic hanging way out there ill fitting sagging 'backpacks' worn wrong
jaunty jetty
I'm not sure when the last time I saw another human holding a clipboard was
in person
dusty citrus
clipboards outdoors are almost always a petition to sign
grave crest
I have nothing but respect for our teachers, as they're not the ones writing the rules -- they're making the best out of a really bad situation. The filter here prevents me from saying what's REALLY on my mind.
With that in mind, I have given up entirely on public education preparing our youth for life.
grave crest
In NYC, I have discovered romulan cloak devices out on the streets. Put on matching polos with a logo & walk around with a clipboard. NO ONE will ever see you.
dusty citrus
gatto has (had?) ideas about schools and what they are for
jaunty jetty
I'm unclear if by plastic squares you mean cellphones
dusty citrus
I mean cellphones (but as the jumping off point for other things in similar form factors)
Someone called them 'screens' but really the walkman thing (personal audio) and the cellular telephone CALLING thing ..
screens are particularly disturbing as they light up the person's face at night.
also expose the bearer's voice, personality and proclivities to the general public, as they conduct their private business in loud voices in public.
jaunty jetty
yanno, I can imagine two worlds extremely similar to this one where I tell you to listen to Roderick on the Line starting with a certain episode, and in one you super hate it, and in the other you listen to all several hundred episodes
dusty citrus
If someone recommends something I usually just say no.
The thing that is different is that it's very difficult to express an interest in what someone else is up to without intruding on them.
But that's where the best things come from.
Not saying 'hey try this' but 'can I try your that'
jaunty jetty
http://www.merlinmann.com/roderick/ep-40-status-butter.html
Despite the last three 'words' of the description, this episode does not actually spent any meaningful time discussing terrible ole' Mr H.
dusty citrus
So as I say he has it inverted. ;)
dusty citrus
HE has IT inverted, of course. ;)
jaunty jetty
you seem to generally agree with his premise, so what's inverted
dusty citrus
The first thing he has (it) inverted is talking about it (fight club rules apply)
jaunty jetty
there were 3 cute dogs
dusty citrus
Like the Kansas (Iiirc) song "If I claim to be a wise man / it surely means that I don't know"
I liked the walk in the woods. I have to admit I could not fathom how it was done.
jaunty jetty
servo gimbal
dusty citrus
Usually nature/motion type videography disappears from the attention but this was unusual enough, not to.
dusty citrus
I watch mountain biking videos from the first person perspective.
Not lately but I have watched them.
There's an attraction to information itself that brings me in contact with computing machines.
jaunty jetty
I'm still confused about the it
dusty citrus
It's one of the reasons I'd like to have an all e-ink display (say a 39 incher)
jaunty jetty
a 27" e-ink display would be super great
dusty citrus
I'm tired so sometimes I'm extra vague (if that's possible).
If it helps you any I've been called 'cryptic' fairly often.
jaunty jetty
especially if it was really good at being in portrait, LCDs aren't very good at it for a variety of reasons
dusty citrus
I just want to put an end to staring at a bright LCD.
I think that all by itself is a huge problem with the psycho-emotional dimension of consuming this media.
jaunty jetty
I read a very large amount of manga, and it's not great on backlit screens
dusty citrus
The fact that one can adjust to how rapidly the 'screen' changes what is on it.
jaunty jetty
for one, it's way better on a portrait screen but LCDs tend to refresh weirdly when you do that, and the subpixels are aligned incorrectly to dither text correctly, and it's still backlit
dusty citrus
The difference between 'uh compyooter' and 'uh telebishion set' is that you steer it -- you decide the very moment it blinks and blasts and all that. You're driving it. Being a passenger to that is sickening.
It's inherently unsharable.
jaunty jetty
that suggests that humans are in undisputed control of their own decision making.
it's much easier to argue that humans don't have any real control over their decision making
dusty citrus
hehe determinism all the way down, eh
I read Penrose' take on the Andromeda Paradox and had a holy sh moment.
(that's a shell in unix: #!/holy.sh )
jaunty jetty
not so much determinism as, we're very complicated machines, and our perception of ourselves is sort of an external factor more than an internal revue
you don't have to believe in absolutist fate to look at the human brain and think our concept of control is mostly imagined
dusty citrus
We break very easily. as a person who lived in a hospital I don't have all the same illusions
The answer to all these things is to do what you already know how to do.
I ride six bicycles and I take the trouble to ride all six of them (might take eight weeks to get to one of them, during some weather regimes, but I always want to)
People ask why.
I tell them: because they're each different.
Just remembering where the controls are (and in what state of repair) is a challenge.
I can't seem to adjust to the missing left brake handle on one bike.
I had no idea I used it that often until it became unavailable for use.
jaunty jetty
got the new power supply initially installed, it's adjusted down to 42V and I'm running the stepper controller in half current mode, it's definitely doing better than the 19V 5.somethingA and 19V 2.2A laptop chargers in series
it's a lot quieter and having no trouble turning the barrel at 4RPM
shrewd hatch
nice i bought a desktop cnc to make custom pcb's
jaunty jetty
this is a catlitter
shrewd hatch
?
jaunty jetty
it's a barrel on some casters full of cat excrement slowly turning
shrewd hatch
ewww
jaunty jetty
I still need to rebuild the controller, I'm going to use a new box so it's not so dense and I need to have both sides of the power supply on relays, currently I'm going to have to manually cut the power at the surge protector when not in use
some of that will probably wait until an undetermined time when the new casters show up, they have ball bearings and I'm switching the leading edge rollers to fixed plate
shrewd hatch
i am currently installing tensor flow on a machine...i think
shrewd hatch
robotics
jaunty jetty
oooo, how will tensor flow be involved?
shrewd hatch
hopefully object and voice rec
jaunty jetty
general purpose robot?
shrewd hatch
yup
not much to look at yet but it's a start
i kinda want to make one of these https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mg3Dh8D3LSI
jaunty jetty
looks a lot cleaner than my 55 gallon drum on an upside down cart
this power upgrade is by itself going to make the thing work a lot better, the step-loss is done with, I can run it faster, I can start to make use of the stepper's stepping, I can load in more litter so the cats will be happier with it and it'll gum up less. The casters will enhance this, they're more of repairing into an upgrade, one of the casters is currently failing. The next upgrade is a long ways off but that will be replacing the barrel so I can redesign the paddle system so it'll actually.... work
shrewd hatch
have you looke at the tmc2130 stepper driver?
jaunty jetty
I have not looked enough at drivers to know if I have looked at that one
I bought a cheap one on amazon, it couldn't step in a the same direction consistently under any conditions
Then I bought a good one on OMC, it's been great but I was giving it really bad power
originally 19V 5A, then I added the other charger and I don't really know how that works given it was so much less amps
shrewd hatch
you can do so much with the tmc2130 you can set it up in a way where you don't need end stops to home and you can even set it up so that if the stepper gets jammed it stops trying to move
jaunty jetty
it'd be nice if circuitjs could handle things that work normal
you can make a DC source, and you can make a current source, but you can't make a DC source with a current limit
granite portal
hey so uh @jaunty jetty
i just got the new chrome theme and i really dont like what its done to itself so im moving to firefox
what's that addon you use for custom searches?
nvm i think i found it? https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-search-from-address-bar
like ugh
its so bright
before it would at least take my windows theme colours in to consideration...
jaunty jetty
Sometimes it feels like google's main industry is taking things that people didnt have positive emotions about, and making them noticably less positive
I use URL alias, it works for me
granite portal
๐
also oof
going through and adding back all my addons and stuff and this one website:
so many tracking scripts
jaunty jetty
Who tracks the trackers
jaunty jetty
do you ever think about how Sylvane is the world of the fairies, aka "The" forest from whence the soul of nature seeps forth from the ancient rulers of all that was before man. Then Trans means between or across, general traversal, and the suffix 'ia' is typically used to turn an existing thing into a domain, typically a land described mainly in terms of it's heraldry
vestal phoenix
so Transylvania's roots aren't that spooky at all?
jaunty jetty
eh, kinda depends, nature doesn't like humans and that's reflected in the majority of myths
Fairies are only friendly to people when they profit from not eating them
I certainly wouldn't want to be a supersticious person in the land between the fairies
grave crest
Suddenly tinkerbell got a dark side.
jaunty jetty
she collected abandoned children and held them forever
vestal phoenix
and what of the tooth fairy?
jaunty jetty
have you seen H___boy 2?
vestal phoenix
Is that DC or Marvel?
jaunty jetty
it's Dark Horse
vestal phoenix
Nope, just old school Batman and Superman.
jaunty jetty
it's the one with the big red guy with one stone hand
vestal phoenix
It seems to be a popular character to do cosplay in.
jaunty jetty
of course, it's Ron Pearlmen, he's great
shrewd hatch
so for anyone working on an ai rig you need a cpu newer then 2008
jaunty jetty
2008 was a big year for architectural improvements, virtualization got a lot better for one
shrewd hatch
well my cpu is 2006 and does not support the avx instruction set
jaunty jetty
sounds about right
mine's a 2010, not a whole lot has happened beyond die shrinks since then, so it's really hard to justify an upgrade
shrewd hatch
E6600
jaunty jetty
hard to get an octacore 3.xGHz processor with a TDP under 70 watts for a reasonable price
E3-1230
roughly equal to I think a k2600?
it's basically an i5 with the iGPU stripped out and hyperthreading enabled
the worst part is it's one of the best processors benchmark wise in this socket, you should look into if your motherboard supports a slightly newer vintage. I'd have to replace literally everything but the graphics card
shrewd hatch
motherboard does not support any newer processors to my knowledge
also has a 1060 inside
jaunty jetty
well, to be clear newer than exactly what's in it
I could get about a 2% improvement by finding one of the two SKUs that are more powerful than what I've got
so it's a 775 socket but there were a lot of chipsets on that socket and the E6600 was compatible with a lot of them, do you know your chipset offhand?
jaunty jetty
there's a PCB assembly house close to me that I'm looking at applying to, and I just noticed on their site that they claim
Over 15 years in business with 100+ satisfied customers
they're not maker focused but it takes some consideration to derrive their intention from that, the unstated fact being that all of the customers were decently large, like you might be aware of them but it's not Apple
btw addendum to the parcel service conversation, UPS has had this thing for a while where they take your package and give it to USPS; Fedex has that now too
rocky aspen
https://feedback.discordapp.com/forums/326712-discord-dream-land/suggestions/33758431-channel-emoji please upvote this and share it with your friends!
jaunty jetty
I've heard around for a long time that Linus Torvalds isn't a great person, never really read into it since there were always bigger fish in worse barrels. Turns out he's good enough to recognize his faults and seek to attone.
https://twitter.com/whitequark/status/1041434810366013440
probably the most important part of that commit is the removals
dreamy solstice
I got my rpi 3b+ today!
dusty citrus
my new bad habit is finding something I like that has a lot of 'covers' on YouTube and seeing if anyone has done nearly as good a job on it as the main artist did.
fink - this is the thing
cranberries - zombie
Both of those seem very difficult to find good covers for.
I think I listened to at least ten seconds of about 150 covers of zombie last night.
dreamy solstice
gonna make a really cool linux tablet with my rpi 3b+
dusty citrus
sounds like a fun project
dreamy solstice
my dad seems pretty interested by it
dusty citrus
(this is the good one) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjFrBvmJO9w fink
jaunty jetty
Sugar Ray's cover of Adam and the Ants' Stand and Deliver is pretty good
dreamy solstice
the tablet will have.. 64gb of sd card storage. atleast a 250gb hard drive(basically a usb external hdd put into the case with the rpi), a 7" 1024x768 capacitive touch screen, and a 6000 mah battery
dusty citrus
do as much as you can before mounting anything. It's so annoying to have to dismantle something you integrated 'just right' only to remember you'd forgotten something. ;)
dreamy solstice
alrighty
dusty citrus
Doing it the first time is a pleasure. The second time feels a lot more like a job. ;)
dreamy solstice
it.. amazes me that a $30, tiny credit card sized computer, can do so much...
dusty citrus
It's not really 30 dollars. There's unpaid labor that isn't accounted for. ;)
jaunty jetty
also this one https://youtu.be/lwgUH2RxUBA
dusty citrus
The people who make them don't get paid a decent living wage.
You couldn't manufacture one in a developed country for less than 3x that selling price.
jaunty jetty
it's probably most of the retail price just for the PCB and parts, buying in bulk
if you had a very effective and reliable automated population and reflow process, you might be able to get it on the shelf for a hundred
dusty citrus
The miniaturization can't be explained (much) by social factors, and it's pretty impressive.
and the low cost implies many many units deployed in the field.
There's supposed to be a very serious unaccounted for cost in natural resources, 'pollution' and all that stuff.
If you view things as a science fiction writer describing a fictional world and its economy, it comes into focus what's going on.
it's a very big toy assembly line driven economy with no real benefits to people
and a lot of downsides
jaunty jetty
it's easier to look at the pi 0 and feel like you know what's going on
they're not making a profit on the zero, they're making an affordable entry level to get people to smoke their boards and get addicted
dusty citrus
this guy is funny
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QdPW8JrYzQ
jaunty jetty
the trouble with the 3 is, if they're not making a profit off it, they can't work as a company
dusty citrus
the other side of it is that they keep doing bold stuff and it .. they don't always fold and disappear.
that's also amazing. ;)
I spent more than a hundred for each pi, to deck it out properly.
jaunty jetty
I have a 0 1.3 and a 0 W, and I have not used either for anything
dusty citrus
the value-added reseller should be the one to make the most money from that economy
jaunty jetty
I don't have a need for many things and it's frequently problematic
dusty citrus
if they aren't even playing in the same key I don't usually switch to the tab 'open link in new tab'. This one played it in the correct key, but her rhythm was way off. Still I was surprised. I don't know how many I'll have to go through to hear a really good one, so can't be sentimental about it. ;)
jaunty jetty
but changing the key is one of the main ways to recontextualize a song
dusty citrus
also if they skip the intro or give their own introduction I pass on those.
It's a difficult piece to play straight. Fink doesn't always do a good job on it.
That's like the entire point.
zombie isn't a love ballad. dolores' voice conveyed a specific set of emotions and reasons behind them.
very few 'covers' pick up on it.
I found that I could not screen by the sample still image -- some of the best ones didn't have a promising sample image to advertise
some are great just because they really are unexpected.
this one got a pass (still in the running)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qf46Y6UYo9s
jaunty jetty
are you familiar with Ben Folds?
dusty citrus
No but that's on me. Ben Folds Five iirc.
jaunty jetty
yes but he was also successful on his own
dusty citrus
I spent long periods of time not listening to anything.
years on end. no radio or anything.
jaunty jetty
he plays most instruments and sings, so the band was in part a convenience, his music tends to be interesting, thematically, and have instruments you might not expect walking in blind. https://youtu.be/Wt5EHAqhR1c
they're not all this depressing, unless you think about them, then most of them are
jaunty trout
jaunty jetty
https://youtu.be/LOdkcM-yR3M this one has a weird antique feel
jaunty jetty
and then to go in a wildly different direction https://youtu.be/9Li8SFX-Vtc
dusty citrus
I've practiced not getting mixed up in entreaties online. Your Walk With Me video has it inverted, but it still has an exact copy of it. ;)
jaunty jetty
entreaties?
dusty citrus
My friend Peter Tauber wrote a very good essay about this many years ago.
He basically said that the entire Internet was 'a talking fishtank that knew your name'.
entreaty means like come hither
"try this"
jaunty jetty
I would feel very weird if there was a talking fishtank
dusty citrus
The old aphorism was "None of you exist - my system admin types all this in"
We're all on the wrong side of the glass, from each other -- the live fish are always on the other side of the glass.
I made all three of my online friends decades ago; in each case we met in person within < 30 days of meeting 'online'.
jaunty jetty
the world's too big for that now
dusty citrus
Everybody else is like the people who went to the same ballgame in a park of 30,000 spectators.
I make it a habit not to mix the two worlds any.
jaunty jetty
it's like how most people don't run into their coworkers outside of work, even though they presumibly live within miles of eachother
dusty citrus
Well I don't avoid people I do meet. ;)
If I see you in the street I do wave and I will stop and converse.
Bicycles allow that kind of immediacy to happen, easily.
jaunty jetty
there's so many places to be, the probability of the people who are in the place you go being within a set of specific people you know, is relatively small
I don't have any close friends who live in america
jaunty jetty
I have a friend in canada, on the other coast
dusty citrus
Oh right you live near a border.
jaunty jetty
well, sort of
dusty citrus
My family moved away, so I'm with strangers now.
jaunty jetty
I live on the internet, but borderially speaking there's only about 3 places in america where the border with canada matters, and 5 miles in detroit is similar to an ocean so I'm not really that close to the bridge
for all useful purposes, I'm as close to windsor as I am to australia
dusty citrus
The people at the corner store see me almost daily for a cup of coffee.
Kind of funny that they probably don't realize how unique that is for me.
Still if it gets too long in winter it starts to matter, even not having that much contact with the neighborhood. Going to the grocery starts to matter; they are still familiar faces.
jaunty jetty
there need to be more bands where the bassist plays like a guitarist
dusty citrus
My jazz buddy (b. 1926) told me that he decided to become a bass player because the bass steers the music and the piano has to follow.
jaunty jetty
Bass does so much emotionally, so that makes sense. I dont listen to much extemporanious music though
With most rock bands the bassist plays one chord periodically or two chords in a basic pattern
Our Lady Peace is one of the bands I'm big on, they mostly play songs about mental illness and social failure from the perspective of the failed, and their bassist is very active
My hearing damage is mostly higher frequencies so I get to hear it
Ben Folds tends to be songs about how we're all too busy for each other. Everclear is the story of a man who grew up in a broken home dealing with having broken his home the way his father broke that home. Third Eye Blind is about having survived, broken and full of regret but alive. Breaking Benjamin is about being dominated by your fears. Its all really autobiographical really, they write songs roughly about themselves, all of them
dusty citrus
Some people write lyrics about things they cannot or should not know about -- not yet. ;)
I liked Hemingway a lot in my 20's.
Read probably 1/4 of all he wrote that Charles Scribner published for him.
sleek urchin
jaunty jetty
https://twitter.com/GOGcom/status/1041714271263121408
what's validation?
Twitter
stuck moth
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
jaunty jetty
can we invent a space/time virus that unvents the concept of recruiters?
19/20 job listings are at best ambiguous about what company I'm actually applying to, and most of the ones that aren't ambiguous are obviously not this company
I had one a couple weeks ago that when I was putting together the information to file, I'm pretty sure that company mistakenly posted the job in america
jaunty jetty
Even if we disable the 'scorpians' button... there must still be scorpions... on board.... Is there a 'jettison scorpians' button?
jaunty jetty
I decided not to put a 5V boost regulator in, because I'm lazy and cheap, same for the analog level shifting, just seems not worth it
I'm going to remove some of the pins, but I'm going to estimate about 8~10$ for 3 on OSH
late fulcrum
My last OSH order was expensive, because I needed a long thin board.
jaunty jetty
a number of things were incorrect
late fulcrum
I traditionally use fatter traces for power and ground, even if I'm not expecting to draw much power.
Here's I'm using 10 mil for most signals, 12 mil for the LED common leads, and 32 mil for power and ground.
jaunty jetty
I used to do that until I did the math and heavy traces on a relay board I did needed to be at least 4.5mil
late fulcrum
Yeah, it's not medically necessary unless you get to higher currents or frequencies. I just like doing it that way if there's room.
jaunty jetty
btw 12$ and the silkscreens are broken
dusty citrus
Dave Stewart Zombie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iDTYnxCNXM
His other good one, Message in a Box:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNeoQrdguME
The Mell Peck cover of zombie wins for accurate vocals but is karaoke style (backing track with no evidence of a real band in the studio).
Adequate imitatation of style without seeming to be imitating (too much). ;)
jaunty jetty
I just realized... Apple now makes macs, macbooks, and the iphone Xs Max
There's also a history of Apple using brand terminology across product lines with the ipad air and ipad pro, we're still expecting a new mac pro, what if Mac Pro Max
spice moss
for get ideas to projects https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1BCujX3pw8
jaunty jetty
wasn't the marval property Shazzam?
I thought DC owned Captain Marvel
of course it's complicated... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Marvel_(DC_Comics)
I'd link the Captain Marvel (Marvel Comics) page but.... comic book ladies...
abstract violet
Reversible micro USB for dev work will prolly save me an hour a year in time savings ๐
abstract violet
@jaunty jetty how many have you broken?
jaunty jetty
plenty of the normal ones without moving parts
abstract violet
ahhh ๐
I have yet to break any cable except plenty of frayed lightning / earbud cables
late fulcrum
While writing library support for the PCB board being fabbed, I realized I got a connection wrong. Oops. I can fix it in software and lose one expansion LED port, or I can greenwire it.
jaunty jetty
Green?
late fulcrum
Traditionally, when manufacturers had board errors, they'd patch them with green wire wrap wire, so it would blend in with the green solder mask, so board fixes like this have come to be called "green wire" fixes.
Granted, my board is from OSHPark, so the soldermask is purple, and the only colours of wire wrap wire I have in stock are red, blue, and white, so it's a bit of a misnomer in this particular case. ๐
jaunty jetty
must go through a lot of pens
sand tapir
lol
jaunty jetty
I wish I had automatic power failure, and visual water tank
https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB17t9SRFXXXXbiXXXXq6xXFXXXM/Nano-Facial-vaporizer-Steamer-Whitening-Skin-Moisturizer-portable-herbal-vaporizer-sauna-Spa-Face-ozone-vapor-Multifunction.jpg
I was trying to find a thing that I could put on a mug or bowl to direct steam towards my face, but these listings are the best
maybe I'm not getting enough oxygen because my throat's gone allergies
https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1LtQuNVXXXXa6XFXXq6xXFXXXF/Ozone-Facial-Steamer-Heber-Herb-Face-Steam-Machine-Cool-and-Hot-Face-Steamer-with-Double.jpg
New upgraded Super-big fog amount
lie all can enjoy
jaunty jetty
I have a 47,000$ idea, mugs with sterling engines built into the bottom, that spin a little mixer bar at the bottom of the cup
88,000$ idea, desktop sterling engines that you can pipe in with your watercooling system, so when your stuff heats up it starts spinning
compact sierra
i don't think that a sterling engine would be powerful enough to stir a cup
jaunty jetty
I'm sure you could make the paddle small enough, it doesn't need to be vigorous
jaunty jetty
is there some part of china where I can order a drillpress for like 20USD, free shipping?
I can usually find a handful of things in the 60~80$ price range between amazon and local stores, but they're very bad in many ways, ignoring the build quality, a 2" stroke is of very limited use. Including the build quality the quills are normally very bad, the pulleys as well, which would be fine if they weren't still a lot of money
https://www.amazon.com/WEN-4208-5-Speed-Drill-Press/dp/B00HQONFVE
look how far from straight the depth stop is.... https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/91OjicSLS2L._SL1500_.jpg
at least the depthstop itself is all metal, the quill mounting is plastic, but a lot of these are all plastic and just fall in half
vestal phoenix
I think unobtainium was coined to describe products that cost 2/3 less and are of better quality than the marginal products that do exist.
and one way or another, you will pay for free shipping.
jaunty jetty
I don't need it to be better, that's exactly the thing. the terrible ones still cost a lot, I want a terrible one that costs closer to it's value
also an unobtainium is a fictional hyper-scarce metallic resource typically endowed with fantastic properties, such as mithryl, vibranium, adamantite
late fulcrum
Why do you want a terrible drill press?
jaunty jetty
I want a drillpress and I can't afford 70$, but even if I could the 70$ ones cost way more than they're worth
there have been times when I could afford 70$ and spent a lot of time thinking about it, they're just far too bad to pay that much
jaunty jetty
it's like, imagine somebody was trying to sell you an arduino uno, clocked at 8MHz, without USB support so you need a programmer, and it doesn't have PWM or analog pins
for 30$
late fulcrum
Try your local hackerspace? Apparently it's common for people to dump unwanted machine tools on hackerspaces, which quickly accumulate a backlog of things like broken drill presses. You may be able to get one free/cheap that way, but you'll have to repair it yourself. The upside is that you can end up with a very nice drill press.
jaunty jetty
That's not a thing around here, hackerspaces. I've ranted about it before
late fulcrum
That's inconvenient. That leaves the usual third-tier sources (craigslist, facebook marketplace, yard sales, equipment auctions).
dusty citrus
There are whole sections of the country that haven't heard about anything interesting like makerspaces. In this town they can't even keep a hobby shop in business. ;)
jaunty jetty
A hybrid maker space hobby shop coupd be more viable, if you're looking to enter the market
we'll call it Hobby Maker
jaunty jetty
Boo, my microcenter doesn't carry any M4 boards
late fulcrum
That's in the cards, Radio Shack is going to have a presence in HobbyTown stores.
No M4 boards at my Microcenter either. Plenty of M0 boards, however.
jaunty jetty
more annoyingly, microcenter only carries M3 and M2 standoffs, while feathers use M2.5, so the M2s are barely large enough to sort of work
is there a reason not to use metal screws in nylon standoffs?
late fulcrum
Should be fine, and they're unlikely to gall or bind in place that way. I've done it on several occasions with no problems.
radiant shale
Re Radio Shack and HobbyTown. I visited my local HT yesterday for the first time. Disappointed to see no Arduino or Raspberry Pi stuff. Neither boards nor add-ons. The owner didn't seem to think carrying dev boards was in the cards. ๐ฆ
grave crest
*shrug -- I've given up on retail to meet my needs. Groceries & clothes + any immediate, low-cost sundries.
But big purchases, such as electronics? I don't even trust the place as a showroom for Amazon -- for they can change the image settings on TVs to favor models they like and make other ones look cruddy in comparison.
And for hobbies? Well, I know there's not a single place in town where I can buy LEDs, resistors, or a Raspberry Pi.
Best I will hear is "if you go online to our website, you might be able to find it there."
....loved hearing "might". I "might" shop elsewhere too. Oh, Adafruit has it? Great, time to use a discount code.
karmic kite
^ but radioshack is starting to make a come back!
I'm kinda tempted to start attempting to keep a stock pile of components at our makerspace for sale, buying in bulk so we have plenty around.
dreamy solstice
I finally built my 7" rpi3b+ tablet!
specs: 1.4ghz quad core ARM cpu,
1gb of lpddr2 ram
7" 1024x768 touchscreen TFT display
wifi, and bluetooth
onscreen keyboard
raspbian jessie os,
4 usbs(one is used for the touch interface)
ethernet,
audio jack
64gb of ssd space
10000 mah battery
and a really cruddy case made out of foam, and duct tape(but atleast it's comfy and squishy to hold)
and it weighs about a pound
jaunty jetty
According to google there is only one hobby lobby, so thanks google, you're a lot worse now
karmic kite
the 10 minute desk clean before taking a picture of current project...
vestal phoenix
@karmic kite Best to get a dropcloth to throw over everything and that becomes the backdrop for your picture.
karmic kite
true... I just moved places and my desk is now only 2x4' which is mostly taken up by triple monitors and a mini server rack
so not a lot of space for anything
vestal phoenix
Congratulations on having a workspace bigger than most NYC apartments.
karmic kite
fair... downsized from a full work shop so it feels tiny
vestal phoenix
You need to build and install infinity mirrors on the walls.
karmic kite
time to get that chrome paint and just paint all the walls
sand tapir
anyone else hate the chrome 69 redesign?
jaunty jetty
Yep
sand tapir
good, its not just me
More whitespace than a clean sheet of copy paper
More circles that the 5th doctor's TARDIS
karmic kite
archive manager has been spoiling me... had to google to do a tar file again
abstract violet
Cuuuuutest tiny little stepper motor and a loonie for size
abstract violet
Could be โบ๏ธ
karmic kite
which stepper is that?
void iron
I hope Adafruit produces a product at a little higher level of integration than circuit boards and wings/hats/shields/capes. A box with modularityโdisplay, buttons,etc.โenabling a complete project. OK, Iโm thinking of M5stack. I guess they would need a product designer/mechanical engineer.
jaunty jetty
is plastic injection molding an additive manufacturing process?
sand tapir
pfff.... vga port disguised as a lightning port
fierce garnet
@dreamy solstice cursed image
opal hazel
@dreamy solstice I can hear the guitar cable plugin noise.
dreamy solstice
yes
lucid viper
@jaunty jetty yes, additive because you start with an empty mold and you add the pastic.
main kiln
Molding is "formative" not additive or subtractive
jaunty jetty
that's what I was thinking
injection molding doesn't (normally) add onto a thing that's already there
main kiln
Yeah, you have the same material before as you do after
It's arguable if you get too specific
jaunty jetty
what isn't
main kiln
So they just set hard descriptions
3D printing is "Additive"
CNC Machining is "Subtractive"
and, technically, it's just "molding"
But "Formative" is a better description imo
jaunty jetty
agreed
main kiln
Manufacturing is just the greatest field of engineering. All this crazy stuff to just make something.
I recently finished a project where the 3d printer prints a hollow shell of an object, then the extruder jacks its temp up 50C and then just lines up with the top and just fills the interior with string
It was a ridiculous project... I think I have photos on this computer
jaunty jetty
like 3D injection molding or like a bunch of string in a jar?
main kiln
The idea was maybe we could use a 3D printer to create a single-use mold out of a dissolvable material
Thus allowing you to finish the print, have some liquid dump nozzle, and then shabam
I was going to use chocolate as the dump medium
jaunty jetty
hmmm
main kiln
With a beeswax exterior
jaunty jetty
3D printable chocolate
main kiln
Yeah. It was my workaround since 3D printing with chocolate was insane
But 3D printing with wax was way easier to handle
If you use a beeswax, you can crack the cap off if you dunk it in liquid nitrogen
Or, just eat it
jaunty jetty
idea
a contraption what fits in your oven that has a spot where you bolt a thermos full of ice water onto, and then there's a sterling engine on top of that which compares the temperatures of the ice water in the thermos to the hot oven and uses that to power a little wire mesh bingo turner thing that rotates slowly; you put chicken nuggets or tater tots in the bingo turner and the rotation makes them cook evenly without a flat soggy side or overcooked dry side
dreamy solstice
sand tapir
@jaunty jetty You really like sterling engines lol
Do you think that would have enough power to lift the weight of the chicken nuggets?
jaunty jetty
it's a tumbler so the forces are smaller, and you have a high temperature differential with near 0C on one side and 350~400F on the other
that's over 200K of separation
jaunty jetty
idea, rememboard, a device the size of an e-reader with a motion sensor and some red LED jewel light buttons that hooks up with google home and etc. You use your tube lady to send strings to the board and each one gets a line with a light. You mount the board in a visually prominent location near your door so the motion sensor will trigger when you go to leave, causing the board to blink the LEDs for lines with content, attracting your attention to the things you wanted to remind yourself about when you left. When you come back you push the button for each line that has bee resolved to clear the line.
with a reduced feature set it could be made out of an old e-reader pretty easy
the eye-catch is pretty important to the functionality though
the hard part is you want enough space for a good handful of tasks to be displayed such that you can comfortably read them from 5+ feet away, ease of use is critical in physical widgets like this. This means you can't use a small display
sand tapir
Why not simplify it with a Rpi hooked up to a TV
And then use an api to fetch the data from google/amazon/apple
Im not sure if google has a public api, but amazon does
You can do physical buttons i guess, but that wont work well if you have lets say 10 tasks on one day, then 3 the next
You'know what, i think this is my new project lol
Maybe a rpi0 in a little box with some indicator led's and a small touchscreen mounted next to the door (like an alarm) that has reminders and stuff on it synced to google/apple/whatever
jaunty jetty
I dont have space for a tv on the wall by my door
silver shale
jaunty jetty
dusty citrus
screenshot of Gnumeric having loaded the .XLS for the Bill of Materials for SAMD21 Xplained Pro target/eval board.
#L60: U301 AT25DF081A-SSH-T Adesto Technologies 8Mbit SPI serial flash memory
That's the included SPI flashROM for the Atmel SAMD21 Xplained Pro eval board.
jaunty jetty
offhand, any idea what the VSW pin is for
jaunty jetty
I just adapted a 100-TQFP from an AVR to an M4, pin wise
eagle doesn't let you have two pins with the same name, so you have to vacate the name first
there should be a tool for that
oh noooooo I think I reversed the second set of sides
dusty citrus
I'm looking. Atmel Start had no suggestions for pin 91 VSW so I'm looking at the downloaded .atzip to see if there's any clue there.
dusty citrus
The label I put on that pin had no software impact by default. ;)
jaunty jetty
it's gotta be some kind of power thing, because there's a power configuration where VSW is connected to VDDCORE via an inductor that is capacitively linked to ground
dusty citrus
https://www.avrfreaks.net/forum/vsw-pin-saml21-qfn32
switching power mode?
jaunty jetty
dusty citrus
@thorny niche might want to look at this, too. ;)
http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/40001884A.pdf
SAMD21 datasheet. The appnote refers to chapter seven of this document.
Hmm summary doc.
The correct doc is 1111 pages long. ;)
That was a no-starter. In the SAMD5x pdf the last line of section 7.1 (page 47)
jaunty jetty
I hate how search doesn't work deterministically in PDFs
dusty citrus
I used to convert PDFs to more useful formats but I gave up on it. PDF2HTML maybe.
I don' t think anything more specific than 'an inductor' is going to come out of that datasheet.
If there's a SAMD5x Xplained board it would have a Bill of Materials that might include the correct values for that inductor.
there's a yadda yadda about how the E54 is similar
jaunty jetty
it's only necessary with a switching supply, and I haven't decided on the power center for this thing yet
dusty citrus
Right.
jaunty jetty
however, I do now have a footprint on a board!
dusty citrus
Murata LQH3NPN100MJ0 is likely
jaunty jetty
bah, I don't have any pin headers big enough for this
dusty citrus
That's L200 line 44 of the BOM for the E54 xplained board
It just sounds like they couldn't embed an inductor inside the package so it's a required external part, but (as you say) for switched mode. Linear mode doesn't need it.
That's Pin 55 on the J19A TQFP64 for SAMD51 (I think that's the one used on Metro M4 Express but haven't checked which package they went with).
Yeah Adafruit used the same value inductor for Metro M4 Express.
jaunty jetty
I like to imagine those stars were there when you found it
dusty citrus
It was funny because the GIMP allowed me to press longer to make them darker.
Looks to me like there are only passives connected there; no power supply lead.
That GND to the right of the stars in particular is a crossover (no green dot).
It only grounds C16.
Pin 53 of the package gets its supply through some internal pathway inside the SAMD51.
I'm just winging it, here. Don't really know.
Atmel Start webbed GUI for configuring the software project examples it was designed to provide.
jaunty jetty
this feels like something
I'm probably not going to be allowed to leave it centered, which is sad
and of course I don't have a microUSB receptical
dusty citrus
This is quite a bit better than I can see with my human eyes, two pairs of magnifying drugstore glasses -- and a 3x handheld lens (all together).
Same chip on my example Feather M0 Express.
That and the arduino source code library leads me to this:
jaunty jetty
there we go~
running out of steam but I intend to knock out the outside corner pins because they'll be hard to route
dusty citrus
I'm trying to pre-qualify the atmel start material on running SPI flashROMs - they should have a working example project available. I want to know in advance which wrong tree I'm barking up, if any. ;)
jaunty jetty
that will leave me with 110 pins, take 8 pins for GND and VCC on each side, maybe a VBUS pin as well so 12, 98 pins, there are 81 actual GPIO pins all told and several of those are occupied by USB
mmmm, I need that QSPI flash chip...
dusty citrus
jaunty jetty
the flash on the feather M4 isn't legible
not a lot of details I can parse in the eagle files, but I'll yank that component thx
dusty citrus
I'm starting to think that this part supports the full QSPI idea.
I searched google for at25df081a vs W25Q16BV
The W25 is explicit in the Adafruit Arduino library.
jaunty jetty
I don't know what I'm doing
it'll probably turn out that PA08~PA11 need to be connected to specific and also not these pins but uh....
dusty citrus
On Feather M0 Express HOLD and WP are tied to Vcc 3.3 I think.
They play double duty; they can also be I/O pins. ;)
So FM0X isn't mechanically capable of QSPI even if the part (flashROM chip) does support it.
Whereas MM4X does support QSPI as PA08 PA09 are brought out. ;) (going by your image there)
jaunty jetty
MM0X?
on the D51 family, PA08 through PA11 are designated as QSPI/DATA[0~3]
none are specifically MOSI or MISO, so I'm hoping that's in software
I just realized this chip has VSS and VCC....
if I were expecting things to make sense that would mean I need to give it positive and negative 3V3
dusty citrus
Sombody transposed. PB10 PB11 on Pins 23, 24 vis a vis the schematic Metro M4 Expr
Not 32 as in your drawing (scroll back) ;)
Probably a different chip altogether. The PB10 stuff is what matters (until you need to physically solder the right pins on the package to the right traces on the PCB that is haha)
I have yet to find an appreciable error in any Adafruit schematic.
dusty citrus
If you're on the N19 that may explain the differences.
jaunty jetty
yep, 100 pins
the feather M4 is linked up like so
PA08 is QSPI_DATA[0] and it counts up to PA11
I don't have any of it set up like they do, and I really hope that's not a problem because what I've done has the cleanest traces
dusty citrus
Okay that's a match. Belay what I said a moment ago. :)
dreamy solstice
so.. is there any way to get the bedrock edition of minecraft(since there are versions compiled for ARM) to run on the rpi, (with the raspbian os)?
jaunty jetty
I added a bunch of capacitors, it seemed like the right thing to do
jaunty jetty
cracked open my alarm clock to fix some buttons that had been pushed too far (the PCB is snapped off at the mount), there's yellow LEDs inside, under the board, for no apparent reason
late fulcrum
That's amusing.
I cracked open a cheap alarm clock to add a new backlight mode and adjust the LCD contrast. The backlight was easy enough, but there appears to be no provision whatsoever to adjust the LCD contrast.
jaunty jetty
the plastic shell that serves as the exposed 'button' is bent out of shape, now with the board fixed it's pushing hard enough on the button that it won't reset
now I gotta find a spring to add into this....
dusty citrus
I measured an empty loop the other night in CamelForth on SAMD51 - 700,000 empty loop iterations each second of real (wall clock) time.
From that I suppose the system clock is running at 8 MHz (a very common reference value for this clock using these settings).
That gives it 11 instructions to complete each loop. Seems plausible to me.
I'm happy with these numbers, as they suggest it's not going to be any slower for most things, and there's room for improvement on getting a reliable system clock running well above 8 MHz (48 MHz seems reasonable, here).
If I can get it to do 70,000 things each second that are fairly complex, that sounds capable to me.
There is a way to directly output the clock on a special pin (PB14 I think) and measure it on an oscilloscope.
I have a 25 MHz scope. ;)
Radio Shack (Tandy?) Model 100 ran at I think 2.x MHz, for comparison.
My Model 100 went to Desert Storm (I) with a friend of mine from the computer club we were in. He said all the Zenith laptops died in the desert, but the Model 100 had no issues; people asked to borrow it all the time to get work done on it. ;)
A few years after he returned it to me, I traded it away (+ external 3.5" FDD, so-called 'SuperROM' program expansion chip, hard shell case) for a GRiD Compass 1101 (which was super sweet).
There was a zero insertion force (ZIF) socket underneath the Model 100 to accept the SuperROM, I think.
The GRiD (which flew on some Shuttle missions) was all magnesium chassis and ran hot -- about 100 deg. F to the touch. Had 'bubble' memory (which was intact with whatever had been programmed into it when I got ahold of it).
Some kind of orange/yellow plasma (ish) display -- 4 or 5" diagonal or so. Really nice keyboard.
late fulcrum
I enjoyed the rollermouse on the GRiD. I hoped they would catch on, but these days they're only available as an add-on. It's great to be able to mouse and type at the same time.
dusty citrus
It had a modem but was designed to E.T. Phone Home only -- connected to the (by then, defunct) GRiD network.
Also had a telephone handset that came with it. ;)
All I ever got to do with it was type stuff in - the FDD was external and I never learned how to use it.
I did type in a Tiny C compiler and that did work.
Since it was bubble memory I didn't have to retype it in, periodically -- it was non-volatile storage.
dusty citrus
there's like six basic modes of communication that are of interest here.
I've kind of forgotten what they are. I think one axis is realtime vs delayed (store and forward).
One axis is one to one, one to many, or many to many (topology).
Another axis is random access vs sequential access (enforced by topology).
old fjord
Hmm
dusty citrus
Yet another axis is the sequence in which each person sees each message.
So for example usenet had the problem of no way to ensure all participants saw all messages in the same sequence (or at all).
There's also threaded versus linear.
These all impact human emotion.
And they're all different.
Some people absolutely will not read a 'novel' in any other way than front to back. From page one to the very last page -- in sequence.
Not everyone feels that way about novels. ;)
old fjord
Are you insinuating you dislike reading novels front to back?
dusty citrus
Well I aged so my attitude towards novels changed with it. I was a purist, for a long while, if I remember.
I know I prefer to binge watch video on demand such that I see Episode One of a given tv show, then ep 2 then ep 3.. and dislike missing any (unless it's awful; then I skip).
There's a big difference between watching Schindler's List on a Sunday night on network television, when you know (For sure) the 'whole country' is also watching it 'with you' .. and renting it at the video store on a random Tuesday night.
All these are impactful on the (actual) humans doing them.
Sometimes in concert; often, alone.
late fulcrum
I'm fond of asynchronous information delivery. In particular, I want to receive information at the speed I'm comfortable with. Because of this I don't consume a lot of videos or podcasts, but I love reading.
dusty citrus
Right, absolutely.
I tend to stay with a project I'm 'grokking' because I'm very afraid I won't remember the insights I'm now having, or will loose the keen interest I presently enjoy in this particular goal.
There's also this whole game about who answers the phone and who lets the answering machine pickup and who screens the call and who calls back whom.
I tried an experiment where the first thing I heard or was aware of was the caller's voice, as the machine was absolutely silent except for call screening, which it did without intervention.
late fulcrum
Even though I loathe the phone, I always answer it, because "it might be IMPORTANT". As you might surmise, phone scammers really annoy me by taking advantage of that habit and a service I'm paying for.
dusty citrus
Yeah we've had a wave of them for the past I dunno 8 weeks now. A new (and very consistent) effort to scam our telephone exchange.
They just switched to a scary IRS thing. ;)
late fulcrum
Fortunately, I have a nice headset, so I can keep them on the line for a long time while basically ignoring them. If enough people waste their time, it destroys their business model. Unfortunately, most people are told to "just hang up", which strongly supports their business model.
dusty citrus
Well I think the phone system is hosed and it's time to just move past that.
whitelisting should be the usual in 2018.
late fulcrum
As may be, but I don't see another viable option yet. I do have ham radio as a backup, but I can only talk to other hams with it.
dusty citrus
there's always CB. ;) hehe.
late fulcrum
I work from home for a large international company, whitelisting simply is not an option for me.
jaunty jetty
they should get skype
it's VOIP is super solid, can't help that people are terrible at talking and listening, but the fidelity is way higher than the phone system or hangouts
late fulcrum
I'd consider Google Hangouts but Skype is a non-starter.
dusty citrus
I suppose you could pay an assistant to be the one to be annoyed by speaking-out-of-turn calls ;)
late fulcrum
I do use Slack a lot, but in text mode ๐
jaunty jetty
skype can go visit a museum
dusty citrus
I haven't even heard of 'slack'
jaunty jetty
it's discord for companies
dusty citrus
Does that mean I'm never contacted by its membership?
jaunty jetty
slack is a sandboxed service, if you're not on slack, you can't be contacted via slack
dusty citrus
(I suspect some of my inbound traffic on the POTS line is being generated from one of my Google Voice accounts that forwards to it)
The original problem with BBS use was you had to poll for messages; if you belonged to several of them you had to poll each one. AND .. compete for the right to do so.
There could be a busy signal!
(BBS was old modem point to point dial up Bulletin Board System aka BBS)
late fulcrum
I got spoiled by uucp early on
dusty citrus
I never got to try uucp.
late fulcrum
It was so nice compared to dealing with polling the local BBSs. It just magically happened overnight, and I'd get all my messages.
dusty citrus
I remember some of that. I must have read up on it. FIDOnet had something similar; the phone would ring and a neighbor node would exchange packets.
Linux had mgetty for that (modem getty) fairly late in the game.
Like, three years before nobody was using FTN anymore (Fidonet Techology Network I think that one means)
jaunty jetty
that sounds like ATM machine
dusty citrus
Hehe yeah. It was called echomail.
And BBS's had QWK packets you could download.
Basically it'd gather all your unreads and load them into a .ZIP archive, which you downloaded when you polled for mail.
They had special QWK packet 'reader' programs with nice user interfaces.
Amazing how much of this came and went; the effort put into each of their development -- staggering.
And during all that time .. humans struggling with the metaphors construed by the technology itself -- what the 'rules' were.
It's still a talking fishtank that knew your name. ;)
(which is .. hey! .. exciting)
The earliest aphorism that I remember seeing for the first time was this one:
None of you exists .. my sysop types all this in
That hasn't changed much; it's still a case of thru the looking-glass
What's changed the most is who is doing all this .. the level of participation of the general public. That has changed a lot!
From my point of view, I'm Wesley Crusher, watching the ship's captain become coopted by The Game
It's very sad.
jaunty jetty
I do gotta say Nis, I fundamentally disagree with your original premise. I've been communicating primarily through text on various platforms for nearly 20 years, and the only people who are difficult to communicate with are people who try to present the medium as incapable of conveying their intent effectively, because as part of that refute those people also don't try to make use of the medium, neither puting what they intend in or reading what has been provided out.
as the saying goes, use your words
dusty citrus
Well no, I mean, you cannot escape the fact that the medium is digital. Airless and disjoint -- it is telegraphy (except for the cool graphics paste-ins; I haven't at all decided what that's about; it's fundamentally a different thing).
But typing is a form of Morse Code.
You absolutely cannot assume good faith in the anonymous Internet.
The very best you can do is behave 'as if'.
jaunty jetty
I'm not sure how any of that matters
dusty citrus
It doesn't, if you are careful.
jaunty jetty
if you enter into a communication with the assumption that the medium has already failed to convey your intent, you don't form messages that contain that intent
and you don't read the intent other people have put in
and then you're not really communicating
jaunty jetty
your process
the medium works fine
you're refusing to transmit your intent across it
dusty citrus
It's telegraphy. Insufficient bandwidth to convey intent.
jaunty jetty
except that's not a component of telegraphy
that's a component of not communicating
dusty citrus
All those symbols are happening inside a person's head; they are NOT transmitted over the air (or via the wired network)
jaunty jetty
certainly if they're not put in they aren't
dusty citrus
Telegraphy implies a shared lexicon and dictionary -- which is clearly not the case!
jaunty jetty
so does language
dusty citrus
Yes. That's right.
jaunty jetty
so, therefore, via the transitive property of that reasoning, communication is not possible via the medium of language
we shall switch to interpretive dance!
dusty citrus
Not as such, but we muddle along as best we can.
Spoken language in primates is a form of 'grooming' behavior.
Yeah Zappa said writing about music is like 'dancing about architecture'
jaunty jetty
well, funny that, there's a lot of books about music that manage to convey their intent
dusty citrus
As long as nobody calls foul, it's all good.
jaunty jetty
let me put this bluntly, text chat works as well as face to face as long as the participants don't claim it's incapable
face to face similarly doesn't work when any of the participants refuse it's validity
dusty citrus
That's just not true at all. Stamping your foot doesn't make it so.
jaunty jetty
the same is true in the reverse for you
you're hard to communicate with because you have declared that the medium cannot convey your intent
dusty citrus
There's no prize money involved, so it's all the same to me -- a personal truth I assert here with no expectation of laurels. ;)
jaunty jetty
laurels don't matter
dusty citrus
If it's of any help I believe I'm interpreted as cryptic in person as well, by people who do not get a chance to interact with me via any telecommunications paths. ;)
jaunty jetty
that's probably because you're cryptic, also not the medium's problem
dusty citrus
So it sounds like I'm getting through to you. ;) haha.
jaunty jetty
but I'm not getting through to you, because you're not allowing my words to have intent
dusty citrus
No your intent seems quite clear.
jaunty jetty
I understand your position, but you just ignored mine until I was blunt
dusty citrus
I don't feel confused about your viewpoint.
I don't agree with your pov but I think you've made it accessible enough to say so.
jaunty jetty
the key to my viewpoint is that refusing the validity of the medium makes your communications over it invalid to the other people, it really doesn't matter if you think you understand my viewpoint
dusty citrus
Now: look at how much time you and I have put into this together, one for the other.
How often does that happen here?
That's a lot of bits of entropy (Information) exchanged between two parties 'paying attention' and 'remembering'.
It's unusual.
Not typical of the medium.
jaunty jetty
mediums don't have typical
dusty citrus
Essentially exchanging many hours of time for a few extra bits of information. Very lossy.
jaunty jetty
platforms do, you could say it's not typical of discord, it's certainly not true of text chats as a whole
dusty citrus
Voiceband has demonstrated far more usefulness there.
jaunty jetty
keep in mind text chat is discord, sms, IRC, twitter, winmx, etc
dusty citrus
I agree with that definition of text chat. ;)
anything typed and read (usuallywith the eyes)
jaunty jetty
in a form that allows some sort of reply
a stickynote on the wall of an alley is not text chat
dusty citrus
closer in analogy to RTTY (teletype) than Morse but Morse for the human factors seems more illustrative of how compressed out the real information is.
That's part of the six modes I referred to earlier.
time shifted versus realtime.
jaunty jetty
now imagine you're at the library, and there's a person there saying words, and you say words at their words, and they look to a third person and declare "this person isn't even speaking english", which you clearly were speaking
now face to face doesn't work
saying intent can't be communicated over text is literally the same thing
dusty citrus
yeah but that's not true.
jaunty jetty
truth is far too speculative for this conversation
because what you claim is not true
dusty citrus
ordinary human speech is pretty complex.
jaunty jetty
it's not true in exactly the same sense as the library person refusing to accept your words
dusty citrus
s/true/rings true
jaunty jetty
you'll have to reformat the sentence far more than that
dusty citrus
They're being amusing/artistic in declaring it's not English when most observers who knew English would agree it was clearly said in English.
jaunty jetty
sure but that's irrelevant
dusty citrus
haha.
jaunty jetty
what they did is refuse your intent, which you communicated through spoken word in the language of english
dusty citrus
your dismissal symbol is irrelevant and mine is untrue
jaunty jetty
they could hear the words, you can read the words, they are words and they mean things
dusty citrus
How different are they? Probably not very.
dusty citrus
I don't mean to abuse the term true
jaunty jetty
you are speaking english, it's a fact, their intent behind refusing your intent doesn't matter within the hypothetical or this aragument
dusty citrus
like I said rings true is probably closer to what my symbol would be rendered as, in standard English (with idioms!)
Um you're sentences aren't always correctly parsed. ;)
jaunty jetty
strictly speaking the library person doesn't exist, and didn't have an intent in their actions
that's true regardless of the medium
dusty citrus
Well they exist to their families.
jaunty jetty
I have not claimed that this fictional person has any family
dusty citrus
But who they portray themselves to be is entirely fungible (and probably varies by the hour)
jaunty jetty
one could argue, they're incapable of portraying themselves at all
dusty citrus
I don't see it that way.
jaunty jetty
do you really want to argue about the inner life of a fictional person I have posed to exist at your library?
at least the library theoretically exists
dusty citrus
I wasn't that invested, honestly.
I'm kind of old now.
It's not the same for me as it was many years ago.
jaunty jetty
the library?
dusty citrus
In the analogy.
Like I said: No prize money here.
The stakes are low.
You gotta have stakes on the table, man!
jaunty jetty
the states are the capacity for communication
dusty citrus
That makes all the difference in this intent business.
jaunty jetty
the only thing that separates us from the monkies is emoji
dusty citrus
Not even that much separation.
You know that we differentiated from the Gibbon only 19 mya?
He's all of 27 lbs. ;)
jaunty jetty
to be fair, that's a really long time
dusty citrus
It's a good clip, for sure. ;)
jaunty jetty
that's 95 times longer than human civilization has existed
that's nearly 400 thousand times older than email
dusty citrus
I still want to know how many generations (exactly, within a 'magnitude' of precision) that is.
My figuring is that the math has absolutely got to work laterally for the system to work.
jaunty jetty
it's in the neighborhood of 7400 generations by today's definition, but the length of a generation isn't constant
that is, human civilization
dusty citrus
Well I'm okay with the variance. 7400 is a magnitude different than 740,000 which is my interest.
jaunty jetty
2 magnetudes different
dusty citrus
I just like to tell people that for any time frame that matters to us, the people back then had the very same brain physiology we do today and could learn anything we can.
Back to say 25,000 years ago or further.
I use 22 years as a generation.
So that's 1100 generations ago.
jaunty jetty
a generation is 27 years, but close
dusty citrus
That seems plausible to me -- that the brain physiology would be just about the same after 1100 iterations of replication.