SeaToSea

[barren oar]

its a shitload of time

thats the bulk of the point

why would you throw it all away because of something so small

[trail ether]

because from that moment on there is no longer any enjoyment

[barren oar]

and replaying the 20 hours you've already done (30 hours if assuming the 2/3 cost is equivalent to 2/3 playtime) is?

[trail ether]

the analogy i will use is how you can lose all enjoyment in something after someone associates it with something negative for you

[barren oar]

you can hear criticism about something you enjoy and still enjoy it

[trail ether]

whether or not that is is irrelevant

[trail ether]

that is not what i mean

[barren oar]

then i wholly missed the point because i do not see how its not what you meant

i guess criticism isnt inherently negative either

[trail ether]

I mean like how someone can sometimes just permanently shatter all possibility of suspension of disbelief ("once you see it, you never unsee it") or stuff like making you associate something with a negative IRL event

[barren oar]

maybe something closer to "bashing X thing"?

oh irl

i dont truly see how that correlates though

[trail ether]

"i can't enjoy X anymore because now it just makes me think of Y"

[trail ether]

that is the level of total irreversible loss of enjoyment i am comparing to

[barren oar]

i can't say i've had something more severe than harmless "misheard lyrics" happen to me on this front

not gone through enough life as of yet lol

[trail ether]

the two most common ways it happens in my experience are one i mentioned above - what the internet with its love of meme phraseology calls a cognitohazard regarding something that will prevent you from ever not noticing it and thus shattering any immersion - and by associating it with something so toxic that any positive emotion is impossible as long as that concept is in mind

[barren oar]

i've not been on the internet enough for the former (i guess the closest would be something like the amongi abstract shape or "sus" and things of this calibre) and second i have no experience with

i do understand what you're getting at, even if only in theory

[trail plinth]

My offer still stands to do many consecutive playthroughs of c2c, both before and after 2.0 :p I say offer as if I won't just do it anyway lmfao

I'll be the source of 90% of the bug reports

[errant cairn]

Probably

I'll proabably be making PRs since I'll beat the legacy version

I might actually be making Nautilus PRs too as this mod finds a way to showcase a Nautilus bug

[tiny wagon]

would it be unwise to play with the Decorations mod with C2C

I wanted to maybe play with it but I don't want to break the intended progression with a leisure room for example

[trail plinth]

I'd imagine if they count as decorative for the sake of C2C then reika would have balanced it, otherwise they wouldn't interact, but I don't actually know for sure

(I don't know if there's some kind of 'default' decor value that reika has implemented to allow other mods' decoratives to have an effect)

[unreal flame]

Decomod is an incompatible addition for other reasons, iirc

Or maybe reika addressed the decomod red and white tablets

And craftable plants…

[tiny wagon]

Ill hold off on it till i get some sort of feedback from em then

while i like the decor id rather have the gameplay be not borked

[trail ether]

do not use it

that mod makes all sorts of things craftable for basically free

"for decoration"

[unreal flame]

I should (get someone else to) make a better decoration mod that doesn’t break things as much as decomod does

No “placeables”, just add them to a new “decorations” build tool

Same goes for every other decoration in the mod of course, no need to clutter up the real buildtool

[dusky imp]

Decomod is still broken?

[unreal flame]

in what sense?

[tiny wagon]

o7

Oh it’s PLACEABLES????

:/

[unreal flame]

not just that, but it does make like a shitload of basegame inventory items placeables

which has a lot of bad knock-on effects

[tiny wagon]

yeah that seems

mm

I don't like that actually

im just looking for a decent deco mod for legacy 😭

[unreal flame]

FCS?

[tiny wagon]

what like

homesolutions?

[tiny wagon]

where would i go about getting it/would it brick my current save

[unreal flame]

dunno, and ... dunno

[tiny wagon]

ough

yeah i saw the website was down

#1439028287241322673 message

okay one question is down

[unreal flame]

fcs stuff is started from one specific area of the map at least, so maybe?

[trail ether]

do not recommend adding it mid-save

C2C adapts itself to the presence of FCS

and changes progression

[tiny wagon]

oof

alright well I'm only to like

mmm

I'm tempted to add it but should I add any besides HomeSolutions

Cause I don't really need autocrafting, or anythging else in the thing, really

Storage solutions might be nice with a storage network

[trail ether]

does not matter

[tiny wagon]

I meant more to deciding whether or not I should just continue my save as is or restart again

eh I'll wipe

so I just grabbed the "latest" versions in that mega link

unfortunately I'm met with a failed to load

[QModManager:ERROR] Invoking the specified entry method "PostLoad" failed for mod "ReikaKalseki.SeaToSea"
[QModManager:ERROR] System.Reflection.TargetInvocationException: Exception has been thrown by the target of an invocation. ---> System.Exception: Could not find FCS TechType for 'BaseOxygenTank'
  at ReikaKalseki.SeaToSea.FCSIntegrationSystem.findFCSItem (System.String id) [0x0004b] in <903c84daa492452d91dd5c89487e1c7a>:0 
  at ReikaKalseki.SeaToSea.FCSIntegrationSystem.assignRecipe (System.String id, System.String[] refItem) [0x00013] in <903c84daa492452d91dd5c89487e1c7a>:0 
  at ReikaKalseki.SeaToSea.FCSIntegrationSystem.doApplyPatches () [0x0164f] in <903c84daa492452d91dd5c89487e1c7a>:0 
  at ReikaKalseki.SeaToSea.FCSIntegrationSystem.applyPatches () [0x00034] in <903c84daa492452d91dd5c89487e1c7a>:0 
  at ReikaKalseki.SeaToSea.C2CIntegration.addPostCompat () [0x01407] in <903c84daa492452d91dd5c89487e1c7a>:0 
  at ReikaKalseki.SeaToSea.SeaToSeaMod.PostLoad () [0x00339] in <903c84daa492452d91dd5c89487e1c7a>:0 
  at (wrapper managed-to-native) System.Reflection.MonoMethod.InternalInvoke(System.Reflection.MonoMethod,object,object[],System.Exception&)
  at System.Reflection.MonoMethod.Invoke (System.Object obj, System.Reflection.BindingFlags invokeAttr, System.Reflection.Binder binder, System.Object[] parameters, System.Globalization.CultureInfo culture) [0x00032] in <567df3e0919241ba98db88bec4c6696f>:0 
   --- End of inner exception stack trace ---
  at System.Reflection.MonoMethod.Invoke (System.Object obj, System.Reflection.BindingFlags invokeAttr, System.Reflection.Binder binder, System.Object[] parameters, ```

  at System.Reflection.MethodBase.Invoke (System.Object obj, System.Object[] parameters) [0x00000] in <567df3e0919241ba98db88bec4c6696f>:0 
  at QModManager.Patching.QModPatchMethod.TryInvoke () [0x00034] in <17412a3abc4a4e4196c5a94d73183573>:0

oh shoot do i need all the mods installed to run them together?

I don't have life support solutions

[trail ether]

i did design my integration with the assumption that FCS was monolithic

[tiny wagon]

ahh, i see

[trail ether]

this may not be correct but resolving that is not a priority as A) FCS is almost never used partially and B) largely disappeared from online

[tiny wagon]

entirely fair

Imma just run them both and see how I experience this

[trail plinth]

me when I use FC but not S

[unreal flame]

why do they call it FCS if you field creator the studio of out creator field the studio

[bold citrus]

repairable

[trail plinth]

gonna of in you the fabricator

[errant cairn]

in case anyone was curious whether i was making an autodownloader: https://discord.com/channels/324207629784186882/1440202130102419537

[karmic drum]

The urge to start playing again

@forest valve I'm always forgetting bullwarks

[errant cairn]

does All platforms work? (assuming java FX works on all platforms)

Seriously though yeah I need you to upload the version somehow so I can see which versions are newer/older, unless java allows for checks which check the date modified/date of file creation

[errant cairn]

this is what im making just FYI

[trail ether]

JFX has binaries for at least windows and linux

but you need to include these in the release for it to work

and if you use a packager like jpackage to make a "launcher EXE" that is platform-specific

[errant cairn]

oh fuck so i have a special mac version don't i?

[trail ether]

and mac

https://gluonhq.com/products/javafx/

the SDK includes the native binaries

[trail ether]

??

[errant cairn]

maybe not special but I code on a macbook

[trail ether]

that does not connect at all to what i was saying

[errant cairn]

im confusing myself overhere

im so tired

[errant cairn]

@trail ether what would you like for me to implement to do version checking? What are willing to encode into your release files that I can read?

[unreal flame]

Don’t the file names have some version listed

[errant cairn]

Not the dll, no

Zip file probably

I'd need to figure out how to get the latest release first

[tight creek]

It's been a while since the last visit.

[trail ether]

are you seeking to check the latest available or the version of the currently installed file

current-version.txt is the way my mods check it

the one on the github remote for the mod's repo is the latest

https://github.com/ReikaKalseki/DragonIndustries_AlterraDivision/blob/main/Instantiable/ModVersionCheck.cs

https://github.com/ReikaKalseki/DragonIndustries_AlterraDivision/blob/main/DIMod.cs#L58

[errant cairn]

both

[errant cairn]

okay ty

and I am implementing this in Java FX

[trail ether]

JavaFX is a java GUI library

90% of your application logic is not affected by it

it is "plain" java

which can do all of the things I listed

I would link you my MC mod version checker but it is a HELL of a lot more complex, having many more integrated features

https://github.com/ReikaKalseki/DragonAPI/blob/master/Auxiliary/Trackers/CommandableUpdateChecker.java

[errant cairn]

I am not reading this while walking

[errant cairn]

I know. I've just never touch applications themselves or even GUIs

[green bane]

Sorry I heard minecraft modding and was forced to appear

[unreal flame]

Rotarycraft: the coelacanth of Minecraft modding

[trail ether]

?

[unreal flame]

Ancient and persistent

[vocal crane]

has the performance gotten better with the mod?

[trail ether]

....elaborate?

[vocal crane]

[unreal flame]

If I had to guess, the various performance drops in certain locations

[worldly valve]

Ive heard that it has a bit, and i havent seen anyone conplain about building near a certain deep location in a long time

But it has areas that ive seen be a bit shaky in some streams at times

Tho i havent tested myself in a few months

Im currently suffering through celeste

[errant cairn]

@trail ether do you mind if I scrap your site's HTML code for the zip file? (Nexus doesn't want me to, so I ask in case you have similar policies)

[trail ether]

the link never changes

you can hardcode it

[errant cairn]

Huh. Ok

Bet

[errant cairn]

Well, it does change between mods and I'm lazy so I don't really wanna put in that much work to try to identify the name for which mod is what

Plus the user has a near infinite amount of possible combinations to name the mod and other than the name I'm not sure how to identify it without the link

[unreal flame]

The humble checksum:

[errant cairn]

tf is (a(n)) checksum:

[unreal flame]

You don’t… know what a checksum is?

[errant cairn]

No?

My java class ony goes so far

Not only that I never touched it in other languages either

if it exists in other languages

[unreal flame]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Checksum

[errant cairn]

That doesn't help against an incorrectly named mod

It does for version checking

but not for an incorrectly identified mod

[unreal flame]

Then don’t checksum the filename?

[errant cairn]

Why would I need to check the file name?

unless for version checking

which even then i dont need to check the file name

[unreal flame]

If the file is incorrectly named, either you can check the content of the file against what you know to be the correct file contents for a given set of mods via checksum, OR it doesn’t matter as reika’s mods already check themselves for integrity and will fail if that check includes the filename anyway

[errant cairn]

god dammit i never touch a single file except for when installing which i automatically get the file name once the user clicks a "download selected mods" button which im yet to code in

I'm looking for the link

How I download the mod

I asked to scrap the HTML since the mod link changes between each mod and there isn't one good way to identify the mod based on user input

Unless I hardcode the mod names too then I have to figure out how to get the boxes to appear when I want them to

[unreal flame]

What?

Is there not a json file or similar with mod info in the folder?

[errant cairn]

I still have to download the mod for that

That's wasted HDD (or SSD depending on the mod)

[unreal flame]

Is this not a mod updater anyway

[errant cairn]

No

It's a full mod manager which downloads mods from when the user commands it

Even if the mod is already installed

[unreal flame]

And you’re what, not able to reference the existing mod’s data to see if it doesn’t match an online source?

[errant cairn]

Not without downloading the mod first if it already doesn't exist on the user's computer (which, when the user is using the app, they probably don't or just ignore their mods folder so they don't know)

[unreal flame]

What

Why would you need to download it to pull info from GitHub

[errant cairn]

The mod may or may not be installed on the user's computer when they are adding the mod to the mod manager

[unreal flame]

Well if it’s not on the computer then just download it???

Or ask the user to input the path to the mod

[errant cairn]

And what if its the wrong mod? Or the mod the user identified doesn't exist

[unreal flame]

Or ask them to put it in a known location

[unreal flame]

Then check it against the info on GitHub?????

[errant cairn]

I don't personally trust any users enough to know how to do that even given a power point presentation

[errant cairn]

What if someone put in "deez" for the mod name just for no reason?

[unreal flame]

Then just download the mod.

[errant cairn]

How would I properly identify the mod without another way to identify it

[errant cairn]

I know for one a mod named "deez" doesn't exist. And which mod without a link?

[unreal flame]

Keep a list of references to known real mods?

[errant cairn]

How would I download the mod?

[errant cairn]

Maybe if I coded for the Nexus API, GitHub API (and somehow managed to identify the correct release to download, that API is a nightmare), and Reika's site to check each database every time the app is launched it could work, but how would the user search for their favorite mod buried under like idek 1000 mods?

[unreal flame]

With a search function?

[errant cairn]

So you want me to create a glorified database?

[unreal flame]

Is that not in part what a mod manager of this caliber would need to be?

[errant cairn]

The scope your thinking of is not the scope I'm going for

[barren oar]

you brought up the 1000 mods requirement, did you not?

[unreal flame]

What is the scope you’re going for

[barren oar]

but also i think you really should be focusing on one thing at a time

maybe just get the ball rolling for reika's mods specifically first, since this is probably the reason you started this endeavor and you've got your work cut out for you already (a text file in the repository detailing the most recent version)

[errant cairn]

A mod manager that can apply to many games, not just Subnautica. Like Minecraft, Satisfactory (except maybe not SF they already have a half-decent mod manager), Factorio, etc

[barren oar]

github releases would be more difficult, in that regard (you could try to check the most recent release's SHA256 hash, since github does seem to expose it, but i dont know if its exposed in the API, and you'll also have issues w.r.t. alpha releases or such)

nexus releases. lol

[barren oar]

i really think you're stretching it too far

trying to be too ambitious right from the beginning

consider how these games may or may not be modded differently, too

minecraft you need to handle multiple potential modloaders and it works with java files, for one

[errant cairn]

Same with SN

[barren oar]

also minecraft launchers already exist and are more than enough for modpack use, factorio already has a built-in mod manager...

[barren oar]

what?

[errant cairn]

Legacy VS. 2.0?

[barren oar]

oh i guess

[errant cairn]

Fair

[barren oar]

though qmod is a bepinex plugin nowadays so it doesnt differ all too much

but that is a good point

just what version you need to fetch changes

[errant cairn]

Sure but both of those versions I know all too well

And I know each legacy mod has a "mod.json" file

[barren oar]

cool so start with them and focus on them only as a starting point

[errant cairn]

I know what I should be doing for SN

[barren oar]

and you need to start somewhere

if you keep planning, you won't end up with anything material

[errant cairn]

This i'll release as like version 0.5 then Nexus or GitHub at 1.0

[errant cairn]

I already started

I'm planning as I'm going

[barren oar]

i see

[errant cairn]

Probably the former at 1.0 because there are like 3 mods that are GitHub exclusive

[unreal flame]

That’s a much broader scope than what I was envisioning, yes

Every, and I mean every mod manager of the caliber you describe is linked to a self-contained database

Nexusmods, curseforge, thunderstore

Even game-specific managers do this

[errant cairn]

And why should I form my own when all of those already exist?

Not really an argument I'm trying to spark this discussion again

[unreal flame]

Is that a rhetorical question

[errant cairn]

No.

I guess it might be worth it (and/or fun) to compile a database such that a user can look through it and select a mod based off of that, but I'd have to look at Nexus Mod's policy about data scraping because they are against not using their API

[unreal flame]

I suppose that’s a question only you can answer, then

[errant cairn]

fair

I already have a large part of the link based mod manager programed anyway

[trail ether]

are you insane

[errant cairn]

No I just have ADHD and im gonna start small

just your site and SN only

then 1.0 will drop with Nexus Support

[trail ether]

"start small" "I want to build a modloader and mod database for all these different games, multiple of which already HAVE integrated or mainstream mod managers"

[errant cairn]

Fair point but I'll think of something else

[tiny wagon]

very blunt but appropriate lmao

[karmic drum]

That is small for what it assuming is hyper focus type adhd

(They will not finish it )

[errant cairn]

Idk I can tell everyone when my mom actually takes me to get diagnosed

Also, i have to start somewhere

[karmic drum]

I'm mostly joking on the not finishing part. I have both high functioning autism and combined type adhd

[errant cairn]

I may never finish it if I don't want it in my portfolio to show to jobs that I apply to

[errant cairn]

maybe i can convice you to finish this for me...Hey, do you know java?

[karmic drum]

No

[trail ether]

....is that kibitz

[errant cairn]

Yes

[karmic drum]

Funny enough... I did try to learn so that I could better mod skyrim. That phase lasted a whole 2hrs total before my perfectionism and anxiety disorder pushed me out

[trail ether]

while i do not eve nknow of that game i rather doubt iti s written in java

very very few games are

[errant cairn]

12th level autist. Lots of games use a variation of C. C# or C++ typically

[trail ether]

C# is popular because of unity

the most common language for games by far is C++

also do not forget C# and Java are newer languages

[errant cairn]

I concur because of UE5

they are???

[trail ether]

C++ has been around since the 80s and mainstream since the 90s

[errant cairn]

learn something new everyday

[trail ether]

both java and C# were invented in the 90s and only became mainstream in the 2000s

[errant cairn]

daang

[trail ether]

not just UE

"classic"/engineless games are almost always C++ too

and most other engines also use C++

Source, Clausewitz, COBRA, etc

[errant cairn]

intersting...i wonder what BLAM is coded in (Early Halo era game engine. I think until Halo Reach, so not very early lol)

I actually don't remember the name for Bungie's game engine

[errant cairn]

Do you know one that isn't Minecraft? I genuinely can't think of one

[trail ether]

neither can I

between it being newer, initially clunky, less popular and so less chosen, and licensing issues, it is rare

[errant cairn]

this is shocking

definitely rare af

[trail ether]

it was unsuitable until recently

recently meaning 2010s

original java was a lot less performant

and the license under oracle was very restrictive

java's main uses are in webservers and android apps

also formerly java applet browser apps

the mentioning of which reminds me of one game written in java

that is one of the games that got me into modding

https://reikakalseki.github.io/corePages/origins.html

[trail ether]

a lot of people still meme about java being unperformant because of this

[tiny wagon]

aghhh im scouring for the Ore Consumer

[trail ether]

the what

[tiny wagon]

the FCS Ore Consumer

the databox for it is somewhere in narnia

[tiny wagon]

Although

I will say the mod has been a blast so far

Wrangling the damn morale meter has been a struggle

but it’s been refreshing

[trail plinth]

Wrangling is definitely a good word for it

[tiny wagon]

thats how it feels

half the time i have no idea what is going on and I'm trying to attribute a personality to my player character

fine with getting a chunk bitten out of em but completely loses any and all motivation when a single bacteria zaps em

[unreal flame]

This seems like a bad thing

[trail ether]

???

[tiny wagon]

I find the way my player character loses morale hilarious

Not sure what else to say

[silk pond]

||the location of that new wreck is extremely evil, perfect for the mod||

[trail plinth]

||it's pretty good yeah||

[void quiver]

is there anyway to revert subnautica to play this mod anymore

i played a few months ago but now the legacy versions just gone

[forest valve]

yea a few ppl are playing it

risk of malware btw if u do

[void quiver]

yeah that sucks

[trail ether]

not meaningfully

[forest valve]

yea yea

[void quiver]

figured out how to do it

way more inconvenient but oh well

[gusty grotto]

what mods are generally required/suggested for sea to sea

like on the sea to sea mod wiki it says that ECCLibrary is a dependency but it leads to a 404 page atm

[worldly valve]

I cant remember all the req ones off hand not too many

But there a few thats advised

Easycraft i think itz called is borderline required

Not having it immediately adds like 10 hours of playtime(at least)

[unreal flame]

easycraft is for the weak

ECC can be found on nexus

mods with integrations include FCS suite, de-extinction, and seamoth arms

map mod is useful

there's a couple others but it's been a while and i don't remember

[trail ether]

though there are a couple caveats for FCS, namely that you need to use the right version and have the entire suite

[tiny wagon]

de-ex and seamoth arms has integration?

[unreal flame]

de-ex has pretty extensive integrations iirc

creature spawns, recipes, etc

[tiny wagon]

would it be advisable to add those mid-run?

oh

recipes

mm

[unreal flame]

seamoth arms mostly just makes the seamoth drill arm gated at the same time as the prawn iirc

[tiny wagon]

that makes sense

the drill is integral for the meteor and whatnot

[unreal flame]

more than just that, it's gating for a particular set of lategame resources

[tiny wagon]

||kyanite?||

wait why did i spoiler that am i stupid

[unreal flame]

||can't recall if the loose kyanite gets removed in c2c||

[tiny wagon]

yeah thats what i was unsure about as well

i'm gonna like

see if i can install it and if it doesnt make my save ridiculous

if it does im just gonna restart and live in the damn mountains out of spite

seems like it spawns fragments so'p

NEW SAVE FILE IT IS FOR ME

[tiny wagon]

alright where is my main base gonna be located, its up to you

[unreal flame]

i dunno, i usually just base in the shallows, personally

there's a vaguely interesting spot where you can go vertically from the floating island to the deep grand reef but that's not really useful

[tiny wagon]

i mean it's kinda pretty

last time i asked someone he made me base in the sparse reef

[trail plinth]

I don't think that was me but I know of a spot in the sparse reef that I base in that I would have 100% recommended :p

[worldly valve]

I mean if you like running back and forth from inventories 😁

[worldly valve]

I recall dragging a mining node off kyanite out to the river on my first file

I liie to base above jelly shroom caves

One if the entrances is almost in range of every reasource scanning wise

Excrpt for things that ate truly too deep or on opposite sides of map

[tiny wagon]

How do you guys typically spread out your scanner upgrades

I usually hit 4 range ones

[karmic drum]

I max range as well. Welll... that is until you start needing other upgrades but...

https://tenor.com/view/surprise-tool-mickey-mouse-mickey-clubhouse-gif-18764497

[tiny wagon]

Indeed…

[trail plinth]

I usually do 3 range 1 speed

[trail ether]

ExS makes three range hit the cap

[tiny wagon]

Oh I did not know that

Alrighty then

[barren oar]

cant you just put the Secret Upgrade Module in a new scanner with just it installed

[karmic drum]

I should've read the wiki better

[karmic drum]

Oh, you know I forgot it's total coverage

[barren oar]

you really don't need to sacrifice some other upgrade like range or speed last i recall

ye

oh also it might be worth pointing out 2.0 i think has a bug where range upgrades do shit-all

in other words its always max range regardless of upgrades

idk if legacy had that too and exs patched it but it might be worth keeping in mind for the eventual update

[trail ether]

...what

seriously

[barren oar]

fairly certain

[vocal crane]

hello sea

[gusty grotto]

quick question

i finally figured out how to downgrade my subnautica thanks to steam depots, but what version of the game should i be running?

i know its before 2.0, but idk if thats like the minor patch right before the 2.0 update or all the way back to the big little update

[trail ether]

my build says dec 2021 on the title screen https://i.imgur.com/Cx9fv0h.jpeg

[gusty grotto]

oh cool thats the one i downloaded

[gusty grotto]

so im trying to run the mod, but whenever i open the game, it shows the mods list, doesnt give any errors, and shows the dependencies all loaded fine in the options menu, but when loaded a creative world to verify it worked properly, it looks like its just vanilla

any ideas as to what could possibly be wrong

this is the mod list im using in case it helps

before with the other errors i had i was able to sort them out but without errors im kinda directionless

[trail ether]

"-main"

did you download the source code

[gusty grotto]

uh

i went to the github and downloaded the zip files for each of them

[trail ether]

so yes

[gusty grotto]

is that what i was supposed to do?

[trail ether]

https://i.imgur.com/SdazUPJ.png

you did that right

[gusty grotto]

yeah i did

[trail ether]

and look at the green button you clicked

what it is labelled

[gusty grotto]

well

[void quiver]

🤔

[gusty grotto]

it says code

but i thought downloading the zip was downloading all of the code, essentially downloading the mod

omg it worked

i found the actual mods 😭

thank you so much 🙏

[void quiver]

this morale bar might be the bane of my existence

but its awesome

[worldly valve]

3 range 1 speed

[void quiver]

also power consumption used to be 15 in the lifepod no?

[tiny wagon]

Augh I have to config slotextender back to vanilla amounts

[tiny wagon]

Oh slot extender is about to piss me off

I can’t set the value to 4 slots I HAVE to add at least 1 slot

[trail ether]

just remove it

[void quiver]

the default amount of slots is 5 isnt it

[trail ether]

no

hotbar yes

[void quiver]

ah

[trail ether]

but i only know of slot extender extending module slots

[tiny wagon]

Seamoth arms has integration with c2c so I wanted to try it out

Needs Slotextender as a prereq

[tiny wagon]

alright so im just gonna

push it down to the min value and just run an engine efficiency or something in there idk

[tiny wagon]

A strangely interesting idea is seed-based personality for the player character

certain foods that they prefer/dislike

[void quiver]

i keep swimming around and forgetting im about to die of thirst

so i just nuke my morale by chugging creepvine clusters

water is probably pretty important

[tiny wagon]

just like me fr fr

[tiny wagon]

default is TWELVE

the lunacy

[void quiver]

thats ridiculous wtf

[tiny wagon]

yes we need TWELVE module slots

• statements dreamed up by the deranged

[trail ether]

the intended purpose of mods like that is to be ridiculously overpowered

since that is what gets hyperexcitable youtube videos and 100000 downloads from children

[tiny wagon]

fair point there, but at a certain point it really gets too much

[gusty grotto]

"hard mod is too hard"

[tiny wagon]

huh

nah bro op mod is too op

[unreal flame]

slot extender itself isn't necessarily unbalanced imo

it's whatever modules you're capable of adding in that make it unbalanced

though, i wonder how far you could get with doing something that tries to make more slots (and arm slots) a material investment into a sub

imagine for instance, a module that places a two-module hatch on the sub (for the seamoth, in similar positions to where the storage modules go)

(a counterpart module would also exist to add arms to the seamoth, though only one of this module can be used)

this has multiple factors that would allow for it to be more balanced aside from just the material requirement:
module expansion modules could not be placed recursively, as they require the four slots of the sub's main module hatch to know where they go (which is to say, you have a maximum of 8 possible modules with four expansions)
Storage modules and torpedo modules (though, who gives a fuck about the latter) would also not be applicable to expanded slots

if you really wanted to be evil, make depth modules also require an unexpanded slot

though all things considered this would probably be extraordinarily complicated to implement, let alone do good UX for

like, how would you determine how hotkeys get assigned to a given slot? it seems obvious to grant the slot being "consumed" to one of the expanded slots, but what about the other one? just whichever number is the lowest unused (which would probably have to be recalculated when a new expansion is added)

[tiny wagon]

Very VERY good point here

highkey depends on that

I do like the upgradable nature idea though

[trail plinth]

Yeah I think it really depends on the modules. For the most part I dont see much use of extra module slots outside of more storage or stacking energy efficiency upgrades for either the seamoth or prawn. The cyclops i can understand since it has a wider array of modules, and modded increases that number substantially

Otherwise for the seamoth, even in modded, I find myself only really using a depth module, some 'important' module for the area im going, and 2 storage modules. Havent had much issue with that getup yet

The prawn having the jump jet, reactor, depth, and a storage module

[trail ether]

you would not add the mod unless you also had mods adding modules, most of which are ALSO ridiculously overpowered

most module mods are like "seamoth teleport module", "cyclops invincibility module", "nuclear battery recharging module", "creature stealth module", "resource farming module", "laser cannon module", etc

[unreal flame]

The cyclops invincibility module already exists

[trail plinth]

shield module

I'm assuming invincibility with no drawbacks is what reika is saying

[vocal crane]

planning to play c2c?

[errant cairn]

Not on the map (visually)

[gusty grotto]

Already am and have

[errant cairn]

Me

[barren oar]

ah?

do you mean its just the dots in the room's hologram that are bugged?

[vocal crane]

dang i should play it again

didnt complete it

[errant cairn]

Yeah maybe

I see the dots off the map commonly

[barren oar]

i see

[errant cairn]

I thought it was just some visual bug, but apparently it's the opposite

The map updates correctly but the practical backend doesn't ig

[unreal flame]

That doesn’t really exist, though

[errant cairn]

#1440202130102419537 message I seriously might be able to meet this ETA

[void quiver]

||i remembered that last time i played i was grinding for a million resources and i forgot why until i looked at the || cyclops ||recipe and audibly frowned 😭 ||

[gusty grotto]

i havent played sea to sea in a year or so, and i dont remember ||the seamoth depth module mk 1|| being this difficult to get. ||I have a maxed out scanner room in the jellyshroom cave and can scan end to end but i could only find 2/3 of the data cards. are all 3 supposed to be there or am i stupid 😭||

ive been looking for like over an hour at this point lo

[unreal flame]

i believe that was reworked at some point, yes

[trail ether]

it has not changed since late february

[gusty grotto]

ah i found it nvm. it was just in a really weird spot that seemed to barely be out of my scanners reach or something

[heady thunder]

is dis legacy

[forest valve]

for now yes

[heady thunder]

ok

is there a known time when it will be not legacea

[forest valve]

no

well, kinda

years

reika also waiting for nautilus to be out of beta

which is the mod library fot non legacy mods

[heady thunder]

ok

[errant cairn]

Not soon™

[tiny wagon]

it's fairly easy for me i just set my scanner to a decent depth and it worked

[tiny wagon]

ah yeah

disregard

[gusty grotto]

i had to go into a creative world and placed like 4 scanner rooms with max upgrades, before just stumbling across ||a magma ravine in a tiny little cave, which i saw someone here mention one had spawned on magma for them, and checked it, before finding it||

[tiny wagon]

OHH YEAH THAT ONE'S A FUNNY ONE

[gusty grotto]

yeah i dont know how much i like that one 😭

the other two were fine but that one was just a pain...

[gusty grotto]

Are all the ||purple tablet fragments in the mountain island? i combed it head to toe and only have 11 (one from the floating island)||

[errant cairn]

||Comb it better. Pro tip: markers||

[gusty grotto]

||i looked harder, and found one more. on a scale of to 10 how blind am i||

[errant cairn]

||5||

[gusty grotto]

||is there like a conglomeration of 5 of them that are notoriously hard to find at least or is there just one place i havent looked||

[errant cairn]

||no they're just in random spots you never think to look||

[gusty grotto]

yeah i figured

thanks though :)

[errant cairn]

np

[gusty grotto]

yeah i think im just super blind

||me and my friend are playing alongside eachother, keeping pace with eachother progression wise and we're both tearing this mountain apart, and we've found a grand total of an additional one more 😭(13/17)||

hard mod is indeed hard

[trail plinth]

Took me a while to find my last one, it was indeed in a spot ive never looked before

[errant cairn]

Same

[gusty grotto]

ok so

to clarify

are they ||on/in the mountain islands, or in the mountains biome||

cuz ive spent way too long looking 😭

[tiny wagon]

The former

[gusty grotto]

so that means we're EXTRA blind, awesome

[worldly valve]

whats your count

[next bay]

Can someone give tips on base decoration early game before posters and things are unlocked? Even with several decorative plants in pots, a desk, chair, windows, and being in a biome that shouldn't have many negative modifiers (kelp forest), I only get to like 4 decoration score and my morale drains to zero. It's getting really frustrating that I physically cannot use a base other than the lifepod early on, which is upsetting because everything else about the mod is awesome. Please tell me if it's just me being stupid and missing something obvious

[trail ether]

https://www.reddit.com/r/subnautica/comments/1pc18mh/comment_your_subnautica_hot_takes_and_i_will_rate/nrw5rlb/

i remembered what you said when i wrote this

[forest valve]

"choose your balance"
+12 module slots

thats like trying to balance on one toe on a wire with a 2 ton weight on one side

[tiny wagon]

yeah i agree with the points you made there honestly

I think the tension with SN with me atp is not that the creatures are big scary, but because it's quiet in a place i know i can get ganked and I do not want to lose my seamoth

[gusty grotto]

i remember back in the day, the only reason i ever wanted more module slots was for more storage upgrades because i was REALLY bad at inventory management lol
thank god c2c buffs the storage upgrades for the seamoth 🙏

[errant cairn]

12 slots being the default is honestly egregious, even for me, where I love "cheat" mods.
As for cheat mods, it's absolutely hilarious to break the game by going mach 100 with a seaglide or even breaking progression is fun when it leads to complete and utter chaos.

But that's when I wanna break the game, when I wanna have a fun play through, I break out some QOL mods and All-In-One-Hand-Held-Fabricator (AIOHHF, it is balanced)

Slop mods like Prototype is fun to play through the first time because cool new thing but my love for it quickly dies. Sub is cool looking ig. Not much more useful than the Cyclops. RotA I could genuinely care less about. The hype was overrated

As for The Red Plague, ehhhhh until Act 3 with space and stuff I wont play through it. It's not that cool. I love the tiny details with the previous acts though

Sound track is cool for some of them

[gusty grotto]

random question

im trying to ||repair the databox at lifepod 9, but every tick of percentage it goes up, it goes right back down one, so it flicks to 3%, then back to 2%, and then repeat. i tried for like 30 seconds until my repair tool ran out of battery and it never got any progress.|| is this intended or is this a bug?

[karmic drum]

It's an intended progression gate.

[gusty grotto]

cool cool

i dont remember that being in the game when i played it way back then so thats cool

[gusty grotto]

so uh... ||Whats the prerequisite for the databox at lifepod 9? i have the bioprocessor and such and it still wont work. im like 99% sure this is the recipe for lyzing enzymes and now im just progression locked because of it rn||

[karmic drum]

||did you happen to find a broken battery at the gun island?||

[gusty grotto]

i did

[karmic drum]

||fix that.||

[gusty grotto]

bruh

wait but thats kinda crazy

||if it IS lyzing enzymes, then i cant make the electrochemical suit to protect myself from collecting azurite||

||am i just intended to tank it??||

[karmic drum]

That item is going to the backbone of your next 15-30hrs

Get creative and enjoy it

[trail plinth]

||How much damage does it tend to do?||

[karmic drum]

/I can nor confirm or deny. I'm already using too much spoiler chat

[gusty grotto]

like 30-50 or something

i dont really remember

i grabbed one and almost died lo

[trail plinth]

||Well what doesn't kill you..||

[gusty grotto]

fair.

[void quiver]

...fair enough

[gusty grotto]

i dont remember that being a pre-req for the ||bioprocessor|| before 😭

[karmic drum]

Well this mod isn't technically finished. Probably nowhere close to it actually. But good news is that new challenges come with new goodies.

Keep your peepers peeled and treat everything as a new potential resource

[gusty grotto]

yeah ikik

I just really didnt consider that could possibly be the order of progression since it felt completely unrelated yk

[void quiver]

|| does the liquid breathing system databox not spawn as a result of a pre-requisite?||

[untold kiln]

So I'm picking SN back up for the first time in like a year or more, and apparently these won't go away until I update. I assume C2C is still a legacy branch mod?

Is there a changelog somewhere?

If someone replies to me, please ping me cuz I likely won't see it otherwise

[karmic drum]

Yes. C2C is still legacy and will continue to be so for the foreseeable future

[untold kiln]

Awesome, thanks 😄

[karmic drum]

Yea, it's gonna be a hot minute before a 2.0 update is anywhere near released

[untold kiln]

I'm waiting on FCStudios to release on 2.0 anyway, so I'm in no rush

At this point I'd be shocked if FCStudios released their automation before SN2 releases

[gusty grotto]

um...

should i be concerned

context: ||just equipped liquid breathing tank for the first time||

its fiiiiiiiiiiiine right

[errant cairn]

I think that's normal. You might have missed a progress flag somewhere. Happened to me too

[gusty grotto]

ah aight

good to know that im not about to brick the game

[trail plinth]

Yeah I've had that in my game as well, with no progress flags missed afaik. Nothing's gone wrong with it just yet

[errant cairn]

wait Reika why dont you fix all your progress problems by prevent the player from progressing if they haven't completed X or Y instead of bricking their save?

[trail ether]

wtf?

[trail plinth]

that's certainly a question of all time

[gusty grotto]

am i missing something about the ||rock crusher||

it like never functions for me 99% of the time

[karmic drum]

I don't know. It feels reasonably on point for law

[errant cairn]

what was i on when i wrote this? I know what I meant, but I worded this horribly.
Theres progression barriers to prevent someone from completing Y before doing X. iirc, you have a need for a lot of progression barriers, but I'm not really sure how many there are (I know at least 3 exist), nor if you actually need to put one that doesn't soft/hard lock the player from progressing at all (look at me and my saves 4 times over).

why not more progression barriers that don't soft/hard lock the player?

is the TLDR

[trail plinth]

is it powered? And what are you putting in it

[gusty grotto]

...

istg it doesnt need power

on my life

ive gotten it to work sometimes without power

but its just super duper weird and barely works

does it just

work better with power

and in the past id used quartz, ||mercury||, and ||oxegenite||. I only did a single complete node with the 2nd one, and half of one for the third one. And the time i tried quartz i couldnt even get it to start. i ended up closing the game earlier today because i felt completely progress locked because it just refused to work after like 20 minutes of fiddling with it for like the 10th time

i have some choice words if it just requires power

[trail ether]

ok go kiss a reaper

[gusty grotto]

To be fair that's oddly survivable

ACTUALLY

Speaking of

I do have a question

Idk if I'm like

Major tweaking, and this is in vanilla subnautica, but I could SWEAR it's not

When a reaper grabs your sea moth, have you always been able to flash your lights really fast at it and it'll just let go of you

Like you just give it a seizure and you escape unscathed

Is that vanilla cuz I have never even heard of it before, nor did Google yield any results lol

[barren oar]

not vanilla

its an ecocean addition

[gusty grotto]

Interesting

Why would that be a feature tbh that's kinda busted

I honestly thought it was a bug

It turns reapers from something that can break your sea moth if you're not careful into an annoying little fly that you just have to jitter click to make buzz off

[barren oar]

yeah but morale should still make them enough of a threat i'd assume

haven't really gotten to playing much with it but i do think it decreases if you're attacked

[gusty grotto]

You mean like with the sea glide and regular swimming?

Oh like that

I mean

Morale is very cheesable tbh

3 gel sacks and 3 cured fish and you get 60 morale almost instantly

[barren oar]

didnt the gel sack poison you?

[gusty grotto]

It gives you like an LSD effect

[barren oar]

ah

[gusty grotto]

But it has like no negative consequences other than a 15 second light show lol

Morales only really a nuisance when I'm on like resource gathering runs and get nicked by like a stalker or a thermal vent or smthn

Cuz morale plummets from something breathing a little too hard on you

Oh yeah, backtracking to the reaper thing

The ecocean thing feels really op 😭

Im actually curious does it work on the other leviathans

I avoid ghost leviathans like the plague and reefbacks are well... Reefbacks

[trail plinth]

I would assume its a bug if it works without power. I mean, it is an outdoor seabase machine, one would assume something like that would require power to function

[forest valve]

if its so niche even google dont have an answer, its probably reika's mods

[gusty grotto]

honestly if it needs power thats just about as frustrating. Because either you need a propulsion cannon to haul it a thousand miles to your rock crusher or build an entire power source to get it to function, which is really just such a huge nuisance.

also on my life ive seen the words "doesnt require power" and "rock crusher" in the same sentence before

[karmic drum]

Okay.... that might be the most bothered I've ever seen you

What in the nine are you doing in here bread?

[gusty grotto]

being confused lo

thats about it

rock crusher has worked for both me and my friend without even considering power before (although super jank)

thats about the extent of it

[void quiver]

that ||oxygenite|| took the better half of 15 minutes to break up

but like it did work 🤷‍♂️

[gusty grotto]

yeah mine genuinely took 15-20 minutes to get half of it

i saved as i started and got the 15 minute save warning

[void quiver]

i had an easier time than you and i did 2 whole ones

[barren oar]

ive had times when it worked without power way back, but i think that was more of a bug than anything - regardless, building a bioreactor and a planter with some bulbo trees really isnt all that difficult or expensive

you'll probably want outposts damn near everywhere anyway unless you're replaying c2c and remember where everything is down to the metre

[barren oar]

the what

somewhat surprised theres still new stuff being added but nice

[trail ether]

"I bet my life on <false thing>"

[karmic drum]

Yup 🤣

[gusty grotto]

i mean.... if youre taking it THAT literally...

all i meant was that i thought that was how it was 😭

its not that deep lo

[void quiver]

well even if it needs power it definitely works without it

just poorly

intended or not it worked 😭

also what do i do if the phytoplankton scooper just doesnt feel like working

ok nvm it works now

also there is a bug that when i reload the game my laser cutter just acquires a brand new fully charged azurite battery no matter what battery was in it before

ive accidentally gotten 3 free azurite batterys until i found the culprit

[trail ether]

that does not make any sense and that code is all vanilla

given the other errors i am suspecting you either have something messed up in your instance or you have other mods interfering

[void quiver]

i dont have any other mods installed besides radial tabs

so its probably just my save

its weird tho

but ive just stopped taking the battery out of my laser cutter so now everytime i reload all it does is recharge it fully

im not entirely sure if it does it like all the time but a lot of the time it does

theres also this one area in the safe shallows that ive always just kind of assumed is like a test area because theres always just a bunch of shit ther

like electricity and random plants and stuff

but honestly that could just be my save idek atp\

[void quiver]

this one area just has random shit everytime

now realizing its at 0 0 0 its probably just some weird loading

[worldly valve]

Oh god no ez craft. Motors man motors

[void quiver]

nope 😅

oh i also have resource monitor

[worldly valve]

I highly reccomend wz crafr

But if you reaaaally like your 2/3 step motors

Before eazy crafr i had a locker just for when i was crafting to shove my junk

[void quiver]

i might

[trail plinth]

Depends on how you're playing. There are other things that encourage you to make outpost bases around the map for various reasons, and it wouldn't be that much extra effort to just move the rock crusher between them depending on which resources you need. There's also ||something that makes longer-range transport of chunks much easier that can be used in tandem with the rock crusher|| available fairly early to my knowledge. If you're only making one base in the run, you'll run into more substantial issues far before the rock crusher becomes relevant. If you are making more bases, then that should minimize the frustration of using the rock crusher anyway. Also the "doesn't require power" thing is likely a product of people talking about it not realizing that it requires power, and assuming that it doesn't require power similarly to you did based at least partially on the fact that there's a bug (I'm assuming it's a bug anyway) that causes it to function when unpowered, albiet extremely slowly/jank. You mentioned taking 15-20 minutes to get through an entire oxygenite, when normally it's supposed to take like 30-40 seconds to chew through something like that (at least in my experience). It's industrial seabase machinery, it's not much of a stretch to assume it needs to be powered

[slate flax]

anyone know how to fix this? the mod works but this message will always pops up and won't go away and i can't open the QMod console either to run the command to hide it despite having developer mode turned on. either opening the QMod console or fixing the error would work for me.

[trail plinth]

Im assuming thats still on legacy branch? Otherwise i got nothin :/

[slate flax]

yep it's on legacy, downpatched the game to july 2020

[trail ether]

are you behind a firewall or something blocking github

[slate flax]

might be, i also downloaded the mods directly from the C2C website and not github itself i dont know if that matters

[forest valve]

the c2c website takes from github

aka latest release

[void quiver]

||void spikes|| is a 10/10 experience for someone with thalassophobia 😭

[unreal flame]

The website is itself a GitHub page

[trail plinth]

Even without thalassophobia i felt so much tension and dread every time i had to go there too

[errant cairn]

bro i noped outa there as soon as ||i hit 500m|| 😭

i need to go back after i get liquid breathing

and a seamoth that can survive the trek

[gusty grotto]

we were playing alongside eachother and went at the same time. I (apparently) strayed too far away from the ||void spikes biome|| and an ||abyssal terror yoinked me and absolutely molly whopped my ass|| and it had the both of us tweaking 😭

[forest valve]

yea i didnt know how to say that

[gusty grotto]

how does one obtain ||ghost membrane||

ive tried everything i can think of that could be the answer

[trail plinth]

what have you tried?

I think I had 3-4 guesses that failed before I figured it out

[gusty grotto]

i thought it had something to do with the cove tree, so i tried cutting the leviathan egg in the tree
tried scannig/cutting a ghost ray
tried scanning/cutting both adult/juvenile ghost leviathans
tried scanning the void bubbles because i was running out of ideas

im progress locked trying to figure it out bc i need it for making ||heat sealed fabric||

i have everything else easily

i have one more idea but im really reluctant to try it because its both terrifying and outlandish as hell

something to do with ||an abyssal terror||

but i really, really, REALLY doubt thats it

[void quiver]

im a genius

[gusty grotto]

oooooookay

i figured it out

[void quiver]

i guessed what you gotta do

[gusty grotto]

ig follow up question

how do you get the recipe for electrolytes 😭

[errant cairn]

Ya know what I have the dame question

[untold kiln]

Bruh I used QMod SAM to disable Upgraded Vehicles and C2C is still having a conniption over it

Also the last version of C2C I had didn't care about Upgraded Vehicles 🙁

I swear I just disabled this toooooo

Haven't seen this before

Reika what the hell, why does C2C detect mods that are installed but not enabled?

I regret updating my C2C installation

[trail ether]

there is no such thing as "enabled" in SN modding

[gusty grotto]

ok actually what is up with ||electrolytes||
I went in a creative world just to see the recipe for them, and i have everything to craft it
i found a message in this thread from a couple months back that said you unlock the recipe when you "find the appropriate ingredient"
i genuinely can not fathom what the answer is, I'm so lost 😭

[trail plinth]

I wouldn't take a comment from months ago (or even recently) as the most accurate information--things have changed in the past several months, and that could have been something that changed. I'm not sure how extensively you've explored, so I can't say whether or not you should have the recipe, but for context I've had the recipe ||long before getting the ingredients, and the only ingredient I did have at the time didn't unlock it for me||

To be fair, it could have changed since I unlocked it myself, so maybe my own information is outdated

[trail ether]

that is a serious issue

what did you DO

[untold kiln]

I clicked Play Game after C2C told me that it refused to load

I noticed that there was still a single C2C setting under the mod settings menu, so I got curious as to what would happen

[untold kiln]

How does QMod SAM disable mods, then?

Also C2C had no issues with me disabling mods using QMod SAM with the old version, so idk what changed since then to change that

[forest valve]

i think theres something about some mods being deliberately disabled when c2c is installed because it fucks with how the code for it is done

[untold kiln]

My main question is why/how C2C cares about mods that have been disabled. They're not getting loaded, so unless mod dependencies work by checking for actual files being present in the QMods folder, this doesn't make any sense

And it makes even less sense because it didn't work like this before. The 2024 version of C2C that I was using worked just fine when I disabled mods that it threw error messages for

[unreal flame]

probably by changing/zipping files

[bitter kraken]

Actually it just adds "enabled" and "disabled" inside mod.json. I would assume that qmm has some functions for this?
Someone could try adding this line manually and seeing the results

But yeah it doesnt really disable the mod from loading, it just prevents it from adding anything

[unreal flame]

Ah that’s probably why

Reika’s detectors probably don’t look at that

[untold kiln]

Ah ok

Weird, ty for explaining

[gusty grotto]

i think this might have actually helped me figure out where it is

opening the game to check :)

[marble creek]

Quick question, just woke up after a year of hibernation and wanted to continue playing c2c when I heard that the game forces you to update from legacy versions. Is it worth the hustle to try and make the mod playable or should I go back to sleep until better times come?

[karmic drum]

The mods in good shape and I'd call it worth playing. But the 2.0 update won't be for a good unconfirmed while. So yes, going through the hassle would be worth it. But do so at your own discretion and potential risk

[marble creek]

Thanks for the advice!

[errant cairn]

1-5 years is my guess

[trail plinth]

Reika's said that the earliest she would start working on it is sometime in 2026, so depending on how much time she can spend on it, and how difficult it would be to port/redo content for the updated version, it may take a while

[forest valve]

definitely not 1 or 2

[marble creek]

I can hear my conscience driving me away from the idea of continuing my c2c run because of the ridiculous amount of time I am gonna spend playing it.

Nothing sounds better than building another outpost in crash zone mesas when you have 3 assignments due at uni

Okay, I just lost a battle with myself. As soon as I finish disco elysium c2c it is

See you then

[trail plinth]

We got another one

[untold kiln]

Oh that's new 😄

I don't have C2C enabled atm, decided to explore the new updates for all the other Reika mods

[untold kiln]

Oookaaay... Whatever psychedelic effect those ||plankton have when you swim through them|| has the honor of being the first thing I've seen in SN to actually unsettle me in years

[untold kiln]

Some poison plankton decided to take up permanent residence directly on my main base

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/721129165189021727.webp?size=64&name=scream~1

[trail plinth]

it begins

[karmic drum]

That's intentional hage fun

[untold kiln]

It is??

Well, it's not like it does all that much damage

[karmic drum]

Yes, it can be cleared. But I don't actually know how to. And even if I did... I'd be publicly executed for telling you how 😂

[untold kiln]

XD

[trail plinth]

But hey, at least the solution is available already!

[trail ether]

and worjks

[unreal flame]

Getting a bit antsy for a new playthrough after having worked on some new SN stuff recently

[crystal bough]

can someone help me with something. I am trying to play sea to sea and i am having some issues. I downloaded the latest versions of all the mods, sml helper, terrain patcher and ecc. Even so i am getting errors and the game doesnt work. i am using subnautica version 65786. Does the latest version of sea to sea work for everyone else normally?

[trail plinth]

WE GOT ANOTHER ONE

[trail plinth]

Im assuming that version number is the latest legacy (i could be wrong), how are you launching the game?

Afaik if the game ever updated out of legacy after the force update in the steam launcher, you would need to find another way to launch the legacy version. Apparently branch manager works, and theres some helpful links in the pins for that

[crystal bough]

I am not sure it is the latest version of legacy. I thought it was no longer possible to access a legacy version through steam so i downloaded this version cracked.

[trail plinth]

Then yeah it definitely wouldnt work--youll need to use the branch manager to use the legacy version

There should be a pinned message in the help and support channel for using branch manager

Or somewhere in this discord, I actually have no idea

[crystal bough]

and if i do that would it change the files of the living large version? i have mods for that version too, will doing this delete them?

[trail ether]

i think it is ready, though i would want to double-check

there are ideas to investigate and some minor things to fix but generally yes

the most proiminent "to do" is the repairable door thing

[trail plinth]

No clue, I haven't used branch manager--I just cancelled the steam subnautica update before it could start

[trail ether]

you need to have the files for legacy on disk

branch manager just uses symlinks

to change which install steam points to

it does not provide any game files

[crystal bough]

so i do need to just find a cracked version of the latest legacy version

[marble creek]

There is this thing called steam db

You can find all of the files there

i mean

not the files

my mistake

version id

and with it you can use steam to download the old version

[marble creek]

wish I had any idea about the consequences of letting the game update back when it happened

or more like wish i gave a damn back then

[trail plinth]

I was in the middle of my c2c run, so I just turned steam offline for a few weeks, only to go online and cancel the update

[marble creek]

well now its time to correct this mistake, hope this branch manager thingamajig works

[marble creek]

Hey, do I remember correctly that c2c was compatible with fcs?

and if it is, then should i combine them? Or will it destroy my c2c experience?

[trail plinth]

fcs is already an overhaul mod, and c2c has a lot of inter-mod compatibility, so it would be a different experience, but it wouldn't break anything

my next c2c run will be with fcs

[marble creek]

Im thinking about doing a run like this right now, assuming i can get the game running on legacy build again

[errant cairn]

just wait for mod pack manager to drop this week.........iiiii think.

probably only supporting mac and windows unless i can somehow convince my dad to boot my linux drive while im gone on vacation

[errant cairn]

im running c2c AND fcs. its not close to hell with how c2c is normally until you get the fcs stuff im guessing. idk havent gotten there yet

[untold kiln]

I run FCS with C2C and it works well, C2C has a lot of compatibility with FCS to prevent it from breaking the intended C2C balance

[untold kiln]

https://www.reddit.com/r/subnautica/comments/1p7y2qv/how_to_play_old_versions_of_subnautica_and_below/

[marble creek]

So, I followed all the steps but when I launch the old version steam just says: An Error has occurred: Downloading disabled, and I can't find any info about this problem. Any idea where should I look for a solution?

[untold kiln]

A: Have you deleted the old installation
B: Did you move the new files to where Steam expects SN to be?

[marble creek]

Yesssss

[untold kiln]

https://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/387078/is-it-possible-to-entirely-disable-updates-for-a-game-on-steam

Try the procedure found in the 2nd answer on this page, that might help

By "write protected" that means just set it to Read Only

At which point I'd recommend you launch the game directly from the executable at least once

[marble creek]

Thank you!!

[untold kiln]

It worked?

😄

Nice!

Well these are new

[marble creek]

IT DID

hell yeah

[untold kiln]

Awesome!

[marble creek]

now for the mods

aka the fun part

[karmic drum]

It shouldn't effect your experience until later in your playthrough. much later on

That was made sure of

[marble creek]

I heard that c2c makes some addition to fcs that makes sure you cant just start with fcs content right away, so yeah, I bet its gonna be a fun one

[crystal bough]

just to make sure i got the right version, is the latest legacy version 68598? also is the link for terrain patcher in the sea to sea dependencies on github the right one or do i need to have another version of it?

[karmic drum]

Yea, you won't really be getting into it until what would normally be considered endgame for subnautica

[marble creek]

okay, so what's with the smiley face? It wasn't here when I played the last time

[marble creek]

oh no

its morale

what happens when it drops to 0?

[trail ether]

they were added in late 2023

well shielded is newer

[untold kiln]

Ah, I don't remember them lol

[untold kiln]

Out of curiosity, those extra nuclear reactor rods, are they compatible with the Cyclops nuclear reactor?

[trail ether]

the cyclops does not have a nuclear reactor

[forest valve]

nah they added it last week wdym smh

[trail plinth]

Unless there referring to a mod that adds a nuclear reactor to the cyclops?

[karmic drum]

They must be

Can't wait for it to hit the black list

[marble creek]

Actually its a pretty solid mod made by the fcs

definitely not balanced

but its really well polished, especially considering the models

And also incompatible with c2c it would seem

[unreal flame]

It’s funny you think it wasn’t already

[marble creek]

Okay so, my lifepod radio fixed itself on its own and when I listened to the radio message my morale plummeted and the fabricator menu opens veryyyy verrryyy sloooowlyyy. Any idea what is going on?

[trail plinth]

The lifepod radio fixing itself is weird, but everything else seems like an expected sequence of events

Id recommend keeping an eye on your morale meter during all the story events

[marble creek]

I have only played for 30 minutes and this new mechanic is already making me ask questions I would normally never think of

[errant cairn]

There is

[pine ginkgo]

Hi all

Im planning on starting a new save over the holidays

Just wanted to make sure there are no major updates planned within the coming weeks since Id rather wait if thats the case

i have not played since August so I have not played with the ||morale system||

Should I consider doing hard mode

[trail ether]

no

[pine ginkgo]

Gotcha, thank you

Was the ||bloodcrawler larva issue fixed? I had to install a fix mod in my previous save.||

I heard ||tungsten grains were fixed as well.||

[karmic drum]

Well I mean... if they were using it.... 😅

[karmic drum]

It was

[marble creek]

Picked up a diamond for the first time
3 million credit message played
Morale droped to 0
Drowned

Peak c2c expierience

[gusty grotto]

sounds about right

[trail plinth]

I'll be so real, I think I've only had 1 death directly caused by my morale dropping to 0 at an inopportune time

[worldly valve]

I keep meaning to come back to this. My file got so mucked uo when morale first came id have to reset for sure

But been on binges. Hollow knight, silk song, the highly stressful celeste and now blue prince

[untold kiln]

Correct, I was referring to the FCS Cyclops nuclear reactor mod

[pine ginkgo]

is there a tut for downgrading to legacy since you can't get to it from steam betas anymore

found one nvm

[crystal bough]

i was playing and noticed that i can only save in my lifepod. Also when i died, i didnt respawn and instead was forced to load from my save. Is this from sea to sea? If yes, is there a way to disable it?

[marble creek]

Yes its from c2c

no you can't disable it

but do not worry, being in the lifepod is not the only way to save your game

play, experiment and soon you will learn how does this mod change some basic concepts of the game

[crystal bough]

is there a changelog or something like that that lists the changes? I had checked out the github and didnt see anything about this save system and the "happy" system which i also assume is from sea to sea

[marble creek]

morale system is pretty new, save system is a base mod addition so its likely it won't be mentioned in any changelogs

Also, the joy of playing this mod is not knowing what you are getting into

I would advise not to spoil your experience by reading changelogs

[forest valve]

well, you arent supposed to die

[unreal flame]

the death system is to prevent various 'cheese' and the saving system is to ensure you can't accidentally put yourself in a softlock as a result of the former

[forest valve]

even breathedge does something similar, you were interrogated by robots so you cant tell them you died when you died

[forest valve]

oh this also makes sense

[forest valve]

becuase if u were dead u wouldnt be there

[unreal flame]

saveable states tend to include "wherever you have air" and "you don't have low food/hunger/health"

[marble creek]

or in other words, you can save when you are safe

[unreal flame]

correct

[marble creek]

||OH MY GOD THE WRECK FELT DOWN IN FRONT OF MY EYES||

Almost had a heart attack

hope it crushed some bonesharks on the way down lol

[trail plinth]

I fuckin love that one lmao

[marble creek]

i dont remember seeing it during my previous c2c run, but wow

seeing something actually new after 300+ hours in game

that was quite a suprise

[trail plinth]

I had the pleasure of seeing a bunch of new things being changed/added during my playthrough

[marble creek]

for how long does morale stay at 0 after the sunbeam accident?

its been 20 minutes and I still can't get my morale up, should i panick?

[trail plinth]

it'll be like that for a while yeah, shouldn't be too much longer iirc

[marble creek]

Ok my game just had a stroke

hud elements from the gravity gun showed up

couldnt swap batteries

couldnt use some items in inventory

and my bottles of water were named "injection"

no idea how this happened

[marble creek]

can we please have opioids in the next update to help with riley's mood swings?

[unreal flame]

lmao

[errant salmon]

How were the void islands created?

Were they made using patches?

Or something else

Wait a damn minute are these just the grand reef spikes???

they are!

[trail ether]

those both postdate my losing the ability (not truly permanently, but functionally for a long while) to edit my site

which is where the changelog is

[trail ether]

specifically deliberate suicide runs to get some kind of unlock, exploiting the persistence of such things across death, something people were very much doing for a few things in particular

spoiler all of this

now

alternatively6 @unreal flame delete it

[errant salmon]

So sorry

[trail ether]

i can speak from experience that the only opioid that seems to have an actual mood impact is oxycodone

seemingly at the expense of actual analgesic effect

[unreal flame]

add SSRI manufacturing but the player has to figure out which one works for them over the course of several in-game days

[trail plinth]

mfw trying every medication possible without any professional oversight or guidance on an alien planet

[marble creek]

This mod already makes you do unreasonable things, so I wouldnt be suprised if something like this was added

Also it would be super usefull to lock players morale in place just for a few minutes

[marble creek]

Yeah, I cant reload now

god fckn dammit

there has to be a way to unfuck this

[marble creek]

okay, the ancient way called restarting the pc worked

[marble creek]

for a ||whole hour||, if someone was intrested

[pine ginkgo]

Under completely normal conditions what should morale be at

I just started my new save

Currently working on making a leisure room

I don’t think Ive seen my morale over like 50

And what benefits does it give for having it high? Ive only seen negatives to have it low so far.

[marble creek]

I think the crafting menu opens a lil faster, but asides that I think benefits are yet to be added

[marble creek]

Depends a lot on where you are and how you eat

[pine ginkgo]

[marble creek]

In my case riley is non stop having mood swings

[pine ginkgo]

Im at the most northeastern spot of the safe shallows

Its like between the safe shallows, kelp, and grassy plateau

[marble creek]

safe shallows dont seem to have negative mood modifiers

but there are tons of actions that lower morale

[pine ginkgo]

Ye Ive noticed

[marble creek]

so its not an easy thing to take care of

[pine ginkgo]

Feels like its constantly depleting when I go out

[marble creek]

it is

[marble creek]

thats why i wished for opioids to be added lol

[gusty grotto]

morale also affects swim speed

which... will probably be important :)

[trail plinth]

My base is ugly af and I have enough negative permanent modifiers that any time Im outside of my leisure room or specific areas my morale drops to 0 in just a few minutes lmao, but unless youre as lategame as I am your morale shouldnt be dropping nearly that quickly in neutral areas

[marble creek]

okay but i don't think your swimming speed increases at high morale

[gusty grotto]

it does

it scales from 0-100

[trail plinth]

I dont think it's increased at high morale, compared to just not having any penalties, but I cant say for certain

[gusty grotto]

well like it doesnt go above normal

[trail plinth]

Okay yeah so thats not increased, its just without any decrease

[gusty grotto]

you just move like a fat lady in a walmart at 0

tbf it feels like your zooming at 100 morale

[marble creek]

Guess who just missclicked at alkali vines without having saved in the last 20 minutes

[gusty grotto]

yikes

you probably shouldnt eat those

[marble creek]

time for my favourite part of the game

actual base building

[trail ether]

food is NOT the primary actuator, regardless of the game of telephone

[pine ginkgo]

is this a bug or a normal thing now lol?

[marble creek]

its a feature

not only visuals

[forest valve]

there are things there

you will see more

[pine ginkgo]

no no

I mean two of them

lmao

Ive played through C2C before

[trail plinth]

I think it goes up to 3? maybe even more

[crystal bough]

can i get some hint on how to raise morale inside a base? I thought putting some posters and some furniture would do it but it didnt help. Also is there a way to deal with plankton cause i havent found one yet

[forest valve]

assign rooms to different things ig

fcs can really hel0 with this but u dont hsbe it installed ig

[errant cairn]

im gonna lock in and wrap up my modpack manager before playing sea to sea again

[trail ether]

they can occur in clusters now

[trail ether]

it will but not much if you half-ass it

hell if you half-ass it badly enough it might actually detract

[pine ginkgo]

What counts as that? Just spamming the same thing?

[errant cairn]

i just had to cut some buttons, but i think its fine ill just add them when i have less pressure to get this done

[trail ether]

that is a strong example yes

or something very obviously lazy

eg an item display with some random non-visually-appealing item in it

[karmic drum]

The creeping urge to play c2c

[marble creek]

No need to resist it

[trail plinth]

same, but I gotta wait until after the holidays 😭

[pine ginkgo]

Whaaat

Perfect time is now

[trail ether]

i am not available until after