SeaToSea

[trail ether]

there are far more evil things

[mighty grail]

Fun

Hardcore is great

[trail ether]

if it was scary you probably did it wrong

namely trying to brute force it

[mighty grail]

Nu uh
Made sure to use the intended module

they still showed up...

[trail ether]

ok then

[trail ether]

ok that also counts as doing it wrong

[mighty grail]

Oh even more fun

No clue what to do then

[trail ether]

^

[mighty grail]

Ill just try again

[barren oar]

wrong or not, the place is definitely very creepy to be in

[trail ether]

I think they are not referring to The Place™

[barren oar]

ah

[trail ether]

just the databox

[mighty grail]

Indeed

Not sure what the place is

[trail ether]

that unlocks the recipe that one guy was always begging for last year

[mighty grail]

Lol

[trail ether]

to the point it became a mem

a past reference

and

[barren oar]

come to think of it (spoilers for The Place™) ||do ghosts spawn there? afaik i could only get the invisible voidlevi threat to do anything, which admittedly did scare me the first time it happened||

[trail ether]

yes that guy admitted to doing that in his first playthrough

[mighty grail]

That bad huh

[trail ether]

oh it was two years ago https://i.imgur.com/p70MWxS.png

https://i.imgur.com/XhnoFLT.png

[mighty grail]

My man really wanted his cyclops

[trail ether]

not sure why but people with those "distorted face" avatars always seem to be the stupidest

[barren oar]

in contrast the first time i played c2c ghost spawning wasnt quite as aggressive and the databox didnt need repair so you could just. Swim to it, with nothing but a seaglide, grab it then respawn

the good old times

[mighty grail]

Respawn?

[barren oar]

i actually still have no clue what triggers its ping to appear

i thought it was just getting close to the aurora but i couldnt get it in my testing creative runs

[trail ether]

and yes I noticed this at the time https://i.imgur.com/JXl8OBd.png

note the timestamp

[barren oar]

it wasnt forcing the exit to menu back then either i forgot abt that

[trail ether]

the respawning was made that aggressive becuase too many people were "gamer skill"ing it

[barren oar]

hmm well actually why does it boot you to menu instead of closing the game outright, if you can't just reload back in the same game instance anyhow?

[trail ether]

the only way to do the latter would be to hard-kill it

[barren oar]

Yes

[trail ether]

much better to let it do a graceful shutdown

[barren oar]

or just simulate whatever the exit button already does in the main menu, which is as graceful as can be

[mighty grail]

Still not quite sure what you mean

[barren oar]

i havent looked into it but i do assume its just an accessible callback thats run when the button is pressed

[frigid roost]

not a modder but my instincts tell me the quit button in the main menu expects the game to already be unloaded

[barren oar]

if subnautica or mods rely on exitting a save "normally" in any way for them to not bug out, that's just horrible software design i think

[barren oar]

about which part

back then, c2c didnt force you to quit to menu, so if you died you'd still just respawn at your last spawn point

[mighty grail]

What's this respawn thing

[barren oar]

yknow a vanilla respawn

[mighty grail]

Oh I thought it was some other mechanic lol

mb

[barren oar]

haha sorry i wasn't too clear about it

[frigid roost]

i do like that mechanic btw, being able to just respawn freely always felt a bit cheesy to me even if dying wasn't intentional

though i don't want the consequences to be losing my entire save... yet

that'll be for another playthrough

[mighty grail]

That's fair

[frigid roost]

at long last... my seamoth!!!

[rotund anchor]

Is there a way to turn off the morale mechanic ?

[trail ether]

no

[frigid roost]

me logging in today to hear an ||ungodly sound coming from the direction of the floating island||:

https://tenor.com/view/steamed-hams-aurora-borealis-what-is-happening-fagetti-wtf-gif-16514726

i have no fucking clue what just happened and i am terrified

[frigid roost]

huh

[trail ether]

fun fact - that is just a reprocessing of a sound from another mod of mine from 2013

[frigid roost]

yeah that already happened, but it sounded... different this time? and happened instantaneously when loading in - like on the loading screen

i did in fact witness ||debris entering the atmosphere|| earlier on today

i could tell which direction it was coming from only because i loaded in quick enough

[frigid roost]

okay now i'm really curious, what mod are these from?

[trail ether]

https://reikakalseki.github.io/minecraft/mods/meteorcraft.html

[frigid roost]

... wow okay that is actually quite useful

[trail ether]

we use it in DR as an alternative way for AE presses

since fuck having giant meteor craters tear up the terrain

[errant salmon]

Is seatosea the one with the cool new flora or no

[trail ether]

...

[errant salmon]

🤷‍♂️

Is it??

[karmic drum]

...

[worldly valve]

Ive never crafted it

[worldly valve]

The shuffle of hopping in and out can make it scary if you dont hop in fast enough

But i believe its basixally guarenteed to habe a ghost encounter when going to the other location

[unreal flame]

It’s funny, the AE meteors nowadays are way more integral to the mod’s progression

[trail ether]

how so

[unreal flame]

they're the only initial source of certus quartz

[trail ether]

oh that is trivial to solve

[unreal flame]

(using the new 'budding crystal' system)

[trail ether]

even while preserving that

[unreal flame]

they have Focus Crystal tiering for the buds and only the non-flawless ones can be properly silked (flawless becomes the next tier down when mined regardless, every bud goes down a tier if mined without silk. you're supposed to use a spatial storage to move them)

(flawless is also the only one that doesn't decay to lower tiers, and eventually to being just a block of quartz)

((also not to say you shouldn't make, say, the bedrock pickaxe able to pick them up regardless, but))

[trail ether]

that would be well within its traditional functionality

[unreal flame]

yeah

point is more "they're supposed to be hard to move"

[frigid roost]

is the ||Mountain Island Crew Log|| voiceover not implemented yet? the button to play the audio isn't working

[trail ether]

no

I do not have VAs

[frigid roost]

ahhh okay

[forest valve]

can confirm

[frigid roost]

huh but other pdas from the mod have been VAed?
now that i think about it, the only ones i've heard so far have only had one person in each of them talking, not multiple different voices to deal with

[forest valve]

its the only way to get certus quartz, and if u had a mod like mekanism, u can make a cardboard box instead of needing the mod's silk touch thingy

[forest valve]

yea i think

[mighty grail]

Ah same actually

it was like a lot of that same sound effect overlapped and super loud when loading in

[frigid roost]

might be the same thing that causes the seamoth's "lights on" sound to play while loading in once you have one

[mighty grail]

And for a bit after loading in

Then the sound is fixed on its own

[worldly valve]

93%

[worldly valve]

95

[worldly valve]

That 5% remaining tho iis like the same weight as the first 33% at least🤣🤣🤣

[fiery fiber]

Anybody else getting can't load c2c error after last update?

[karmic drum]

Seeing as how I haven't played in like 3 updates?

No

[trail ether]

there was a broken update but I pushed another one after that that fixed it that evening

[errant cairn]

im so confused on moral

ill poke at it tonight but tmr morning ima play with it

also istg if my save breaks again im decompiling the source

[karmic drum]

I swear law. You are the only person with this many c2c save breaks

Really gotta lay off the console

[errant cairn]

ikr

[errant cairn]

ive stopped using it

[errant cairn]

Also, this is like the first time I've come back to C2C in like months. months.

[trail ether]

the numbers still need balancing

I am operating with VERY little information

[errant cairn]

Define "VERY little information." As in, insufficient testing or insufficient knowledge?

[coral dagger]

do you have any ability to add telemetry? subnautica already has heaps and the devs said they found it an invaluable dev tool

[fiery fiber]

Ok thank you!

[trail ether]

testing

as in seeing how a given tuning behaves

[trail ether]

i have nothing to receive it

and in general people go ballistic when mods do that

and then all the cybersecurity and all the "user choice is king" people come out of the woodwork to throw fuel on the fire

[errant cairn]

Theres a way to debug stuff at runtime without runtime editor

But I'm not sure if it works for legacy

Exactly these docs: https://subnauticamodding.github.io/Nautilus/guides/debugging.html?tabs=vs

[trail ether]

this is not about code issues

this is about stuff like numerical balancing, and how it reacts to given ingame circumstances

[errant cairn]

well when I first loaded in after an update, my moral started at 38 and dropped to 20 in seconds. I was on low health and 60 food and hunger WATER

for the first time in months

and despite having some diet variety it still dropped to 20

[trail ether]

yes

and that is not becauseo f anything a debugger would help with

[trail ether]

also, again, ignore the game of telephone that goes on in this channel and elsewhere

while food variety does impact morale it is not the primary mechanism by which it is modulated, nor should you try to use it for that purpose

[errant cairn]

alright, ill poke at it today

[trail ether]

there is another significant morale rebalance coming soon, probably today

[errant cairn]

FYI no idea why I thought sleep would improve it

[trail ether]

it does

in some circumstances

or actually it might be all

[karmic drum]

I thought of morale as an all encompassing management of your characters health

I haven't played with any of the new updates

But that's how I imagined in my head it worked

[errant cairn]

Didn't for me

[trail ether]

or its effect was immediately overpowered

[barren oar]

oh by the by reika hi this is completely unrelated to morale but, some time ago, you mentioned runtime sprite creation for || smoking || - how exactly did you do it, if you still have the code?
the only methods i can think of are generating a new texture at runtime (sounds awful, even if async) and custom shaders through an asset bundle (eugh)
ive been thinking of doing something similar too and i'd like to avoid redistributing vanilla assets, if at all possible

[errant cairn]

Probably that. But by what?! My health was 70 or so, 60-70 food, 60-70 water

[barren oar]

i dont think you ever pushed it into stable either, since there was some issue w.r.t. intense lag from them(?)

[worldly valve]

should keep food/wtewr above 80 like alWays anyways

for extra healing speed

[errant cairn]

I've been trying

[worldly valve]

luls fair

therma blade helps

[barren oar]

until thermo you dont really have much of a choice except starve yourself i think, either

and even then its heavily nerfed by the lbs

water and food is way too scarce early on

[errant cairn]

I have the thermo

[errant cairn]

lbs? Pounds????

[barren oar]

have you reached the lost river

[errant cairn]

No don't even have the ||bio processor|| yet

[barren oar]

then dont worry about it 😊

[errant cairn]

k

[trail ether]

I created textures at runtime

[karmic drum]

c2c turns subnautica from a survival game to a whole blown stimulator

[barren oar]

shit

[trail ether]

            string path = "Textures/Items/SmokedFish/" + rawFish.AsString().ToLowerInvariant();
            sprite = TextureManager.getSprite(SeaToSeaMod.modDLL, path);
            if (TextureManager.isTextureNotFound(path)) { //generate one if a manual one does not exist
                Spawnable from = (Spawnable)cookedFish.getModPrefabByTechType();
                Texture2D tex = from.getPrefabSprite().texture;
                tex = tex.duplicateTexture();
                NativeArray<Color32> arr = tex.GetRawTextureData<Color32>();
                for (int i = 0; i < arr.Length; i++) {
                    Color32 c = arr[i];
                    Color.RGBToHSV(c.toColor(), out float h, out float s, out float v);
                    h = 18/360F;
                    s = 0.41F;
                    v *= 0.75F;
                    Color32 c2 = Color.HSVToRGB(h, s, v).toColor32();
                    c2.a = c.a;
                    arr[i] = c2;
                }
                tex.Apply();
                sprite = ImageUtils.LoadSpriteFromTexture(tex);
                SNUtil.log("Created runtime sprite for smoked " + rawFish.AsString()+" ["+arr.Length+" texels] = "+tex.width+"x"+tex.height);
            }```

[karmic drum]

I love it

[trail ether]

that HSV transform is very similar to what I did in PDN to manually make the vanilla ones

it obviously lacks the other tweaks but that is as best as you will get for an automated process

[barren oar]

unfortunate, i was kinda hoping there was a secret, third option that was better than the others

[karmic drum]

Cause like you can get food and water sustain easy "early on" but early on for c2c would be late game for any other sn play through

[trail ether]

the CPU time is meaningless as the sprites are too small and it is done on game load

[errant cairn]

Lol right?!

[trail ether]

the baseline system for example

[errant cairn]

What baseline system?!?!

INSANITY?!

[karmic drum]

Like you need water filtration to make efficient water supplies and salted food. Which needs the bioprocessor and sealant. Which is all technically still "early game" for c2c

😂

[barren oar]

sprites are like 100x100 usually, i think, yes?

or around there

that adds up very very quickly

since im planning to do it for a lot of sprites, if i were to go ahead with doing so

well of course there are some exceptions like lubricant being taller than wider

[trail ether]

see

[trail ether]

128px i think

[barren oar]

even worse lol

[trail ether]

solution: do it once and then dump to install dir (still at runtime), and load those preferentially

I do that with rusted seabase textures

[errant cairn]

very helpful

[barren oar]

ahh

that is rather smart

[trail ether]

grass textures too

it will generate them if not existent on disk but will load those if they are

[trail ether]

it proves my point

[karmic drum]

The point that people rely too heavily on food and water for morale management?

I'm not questioning derivatively

Just making sure I'm keeping up

[trail ether]

moer that there are mechanics people do not know about and then make conclusions based on highly incomplete information, and then based on those conclusions get confused or complain about problems

none of it helped by the fact i am still getting the balance right

[karmic drum]

Oooh yea. Assumptions are a bitch. That's why I like to assume that I don't know anything until that unknown is confirmed by the person you made it

So in this case, if I started playing after the next morale balance

I would just assume I was doing things wrong until you said otherwise

[worldly valve]

bio is mid imo

mid game

[worldly valve]

ive been reading comments

people were struggling with decorations helping baseline morale

tho there was some success at times

still colelcting data points i have little to go on

(im also still at 96% despite beating 3 mini bosses and a boss)

[karmic drum]

Oh I was in playtime. Not progress. Compared to the overall longevity ot a c2c save. Especially as mechanics continue to become more in depth and consuming. It's relatively early on

[worldly valve]

id till argue its mid game

the game can speed up quitre a bit after the initial lava cave hurdle..at least it used to

its when i shift from havign small scaning outposts to an actual base

[karmic drum]

Yes. But with the new and ever evolving morale system. You'll probably want more actual bases much eariler on. As a way to recharge between long journeys or tasks

[worldly valve]

pod seems to be the best early on atm based on my few data points

[karmic drum]

More bases, detailed, functional and decorated bases at that. Means more resources. More resources means more playtime. As well as the expanded depletion of some natural resources. Putting a greater emphasis on the mechanics of eco ocean

All leading to a wider gap between "game stages" technically speaking anyway

[worldly valve]

pod was perfect moralelst i knew

[karmic drum]

That's subject to change as early as today

Plus as a player you have to know your mod dev

Reiaka would never intentionally let something so cheesey slid

[worldly valve]

i mean it has porety big draw backs

tho i wont lie

having to make my room look nice is probably my nerw least fav mechanic idea

it beats out falling debris by quite a bit

on the list of tyhings that i dont understand why people care about

that is the highest of them

[errant cairn]

Ohhh decoration is completely seperate from specialty isnt it?

[barren oar]

you didnt have a base ?? until like 75% ???

[worldly valve]

its much better to have a functional room

[barren oar]

ye

well not entirely i believe

[errant cairn]

okokokkookokokokokokok

[karmic drum]

I mean it doesn't bother me. But then my adhd likes little goals to constantly fill out like that

[barren oar]

leisure may still require enough decoration

[worldly valve]

no proper base until bioprocessor

[barren oar]

the other specialisations though all disconnected

[worldly valve]

i had sorta a main base i guess

but it reall just had a storage room

[barren oar]

oh i thought until the ALZ

[errant cairn]

The Indoor Grow Bed counts towards specialty but I'm pretty sure the plant pots don't

[barren oar]

that makes more sense

[worldly valve]

im not that insane

[errant cairn]

or like other stuff still

[karmic drum]

Plant pots are decorative

[worldly valve]

bases 99% of the time are scanner room and bio room

and the scanner room is the storage room because scanner room at bas level is an incredibly good storage room

since you can double stack wall lockers

[errant cairn]

Yea thats the point. Asthetics + Functionality

[karmic drum]

So... just throwing this out there

But

[errant cairn]

YOU CAN?!

[worldly valve]

whats an astetic

[karmic drum]

When you commit yourself to the path of least resistance

Everything looks annoying

[errant cairn]

COUGH COUGH COUGH

[karmic drum]

Falling debris, decorations

[worldly valve]

well ilike the mod, my issues moostly come in falling debris, and having to make my base lookm pretty 😄

[karmic drum]

Hell even the micro filter

[worldly valve]

mostly because i have no idea what that means usually

ehhh micro filters are fine

its just weird that alien tech is needed for them

[karmic drum]

I mean. Information will become more clear with time

[worldly valve]

no no

i mean ever

[karmic drum]

I'm personally holding off until it does

[worldly valve]

this also applies irl

its real good im a dude and guys can just put on a suit and tie and cut their hair and it's cheating

because otherwise idk shit about astetics

well void i will be initiating a summoning ritual soon

but for now im at 96% in silksong

[errant cairn]

k

[worldly valve]

which is an incredible game 11/10

[errant cairn]

Why not 12/10?

[worldly valve]

11/10 served my theatrical point with embellishment

to go further would have ssj3 energy

[errant cairn]

hmmmmmmm ok

[worldly valve]

i know im a little on the crazy spectrum

[karmic drum]

Summoning ritual?

[errant cairn]

Some kind of Suffering Summoning ritual. He told me yesterday. I think

sufferummoning ritual

[karmic drum]

Ah. Well as long as it doesn't involve me. My socual battery is off limits

[worldly valve]

i got

[errant cairn]

What's that

[worldly valve]

bad new fer u bub

fortunately it wont be a social gathering type sufferumoning

its more of a

DARKNESSS

[errant cairn]

WELL THATS TO DAMN BAD I HAVE NO SOUL FOR YOU TO IGNITE OR FETCH

or what ever you do in that ritual

[worldly valve]

(hats okay u jumped the queue)

the current boss has aken away the floor

[errant cairn]

oh nose the place i just lost my cool soul fetching powers to

[worldly valve]

i have 1 wall i can cling to

floor is spikes

and the bad kind of spikes too not the less bad

[errant cairn]

ALL HAIL THE VOID

[karmic drum]

Aye. As a warframe player I don't fuck with the man in the wall

[errant cairn]

Man I'm a former

• Satisfactory
• Factorio
• Minecraft
• Crysis
• Stray
  player

I love factories more than I love survival

(oh and base defense)

[trail ether]

this is a common pattern

a combination of people "half assing it" or just doing it wrong, plus occasional balancing issues or bugs that limit the effectiveness of the intended solution, result in people making confident yet wrong proclamations of how the system works

and then others see it and start repeating it

[trail ether]

https://i.imgur.com/jHEEnPe.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/w1BAvdL.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/Olv4krr.jpeg

and most of my KSP and factorio time is not on steam (only one playthrough of each, out of 4-6 and a dozen)

and obviously none of the MC time is

[worldly valve]

98%

[trail ether]

also coming in the update is a deco rebalance

things generally give more deco than before

but there is a much stronger focus on variety

not just spamming 12 of the same thing

[trail ether]

also window deco was broken

it is now fixed

[rotund anchor]

How do you improve morale ? Mine is constantly at 0 and even eating 4 types of fish it doesn't affect it. I made a room with all decorations I have at the moment and it doesn't improve anything.

Even coffee doesn't work. It just goes up and down immediately.

[trail ether]

see above

[trail ether]

@unreal flame Hellexar and I might have just solved the "ghost inventory item" bug

the one associated with worldgenned items

[unreal flame]

nice

[trail ether]

https://i.imgur.com/MCFlb5k.png

remember that try-catch i put in the tick player recently, after the morale issue causing the o2 to not get consumed

well

that just got fired

when he drank a filtered water from the ||mountain base||

maybe the cause of the issue was an exception getting thrown during the consumption

thus causing incomplete inventory operations

and so with the try-catch that no longer happens

sure enough his inv exhibits no issues

most likely candidate for the error is in the azurite vent charging logic https://i.imgur.com/huyl6Jd.png

(all other .gameObjects are gated behind conditions not true here)

I think maybe the issue is the != null there

during a consumption event there is a possibility of race condition where the item is non-null but is not valid, at the exact instant this tick loop fires

ie the object has been deleted in the internal C++ but its C# "counterpart" is still there

this can trivially be checked - GameObjects are truthy that way - but I am not doing that here, as this is old code, from when I first started making C2C and was new to unity

[trail ether]

oh he is here @trail plinth

[barren oar]

does unity not override null checking, as well?

[trail ether]

no

[barren oar]

afaik the only issue is null coalescing

huh...

goddang then I've got a whole bunch of code to change then as well 🥴

truthy go is so much uglier though

[trail ether]

so do I probably

[trail ether]

it also includes a null check

so you do not need both checks

also it is not just for GOs

but also components

I do it on PrefabIdentifier a lot

[barren oar]

yeah...

awful situation

[rotund anchor]

||I got the scanner room setup to search for the data cards for the Seamoth MK1 module and found 2/3. The third one is somehow inside a jellyshroom I can't enter, like 20m away from me and I can't really see it. Anyone can help? ||

[pearl pier]

Why am I still losing morale 😭

[trail ether]

that is not effective decoration

[trail ether]

for example

[errant cairn]

its really evil theres something you have to find

its not an item either

or a scan

also reika, why the actual fuck is my entire base surrounded by ||phytoplankton|| by almost double the base size?!

what did I do to deserve constant low water, food, and morale?!?!?!

i can barely get close to my base let alone enter/leave it

[trail ether]

are you using the latest update

I fixed a lot

[errant cairn]

yes

at least i have no big yellow warning

and i updated today

being outside my base for longer set me to 30 morale 😭

well maybe thats the new floor idk

[karmic drum]

Are you regularly collecting the stuff?

[errant cairn]

no cause i just went back to the ||mushroom forest|| to get the stuff i need to collect it

[karmic drum]

Ah. Well I'd recommend collecting it. Or some bases above the water

[errant cairn]

i dont wanna do the latter cause i did that last save and wasnt sure if i liked it. the former im going back to my base to do right now

[barren oar]

how tf you wanna enter a base above water

you have like two nanometers of arm reach

[errant cairn]

enterance at the bottom/moonpool

[barren oar]

does that not just end up with the exact same issue as a base under water?

[karmic drum]

I mean all you need is a connecting corridor

[barren oar]

entrances underwater => clogged with The Poison Cloud™

[errant cairn]

unless you're in the safe shallows, im not sure

[karmic drum]

No. You only have to deal with it on entry and exit. Not the entirety of existing in your base

[errant cairn]

wait no cause its just impossible for the stuff to form above water let alone be around a base than will actually cause damage

[barren oar]

...yes

but the entraces ?? where do you put them cause you can't reach them if above water

unless you meticulously plan so your entrance ends up like two pixels above the water level i guess

[karmic drum]

I mean... I don't really feel like I'd need to explain that one

[trail ether]

I do not think I added any such guardrail actually

[karmic drum]

It just takes a little thinking

[trail ether]

nor will I if people try exploiting it

[barren oar]

is there like a lift buildable in the game or something

[trail ether]

no

[barren oar]

i guess you could use the prawn jet to parkour your way up to an entrance

[errant cairn]

well i know for one thing it doesn't happen in the safe shallows so thats why my base in the safe shallows never got phytoplankton

[trail ether]

that has nothing to do with "does not spawn above water"

[barren oar]

...how does a moonpool look like above water, anyway? i dont think ive ever tried that lol

[errant cairn]

normal

[karmic drum]

You're really over thinking this 😭

[errant cairn]

just water level is slightly lower

[barren oar]

and is there 0 water if its fully above water

[errant cairn]

welllllllll in order for you to reach it, it needs to be 1m or less above water so it still has water

[barren oar]

"it just takes a little thinking"
thinks
"you're overthinking"

well, i do somewhat jest

but i honestly dont know how you could go about reaching an above water entrance because above water subnautica sucks

[errant cairn]

above water legacy subnautica sucks*

[errant cairn]

just be 1m or less above water

[barren oar]

yeah but what if you completely abandon it being useful and want it as decoration only

[errant cairn]

believe it or not, your reach isnt a nanometer, its a meter

[errant cairn]

then it can be as high as you want or as low as you want while having a seperate entrance...somewhere on the same level as it once was

[karmic drum]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-neat-part-you-dont-invincible-gif-27194608

[errant cairn]

you do

i think i have to re-equip my tools cause apparently the laser cutter is 2 slots now?

[karmic drum]

The idea is to have the base above and under the water at the same time. With the under sections being for personal and vehicular entry. And the above sections being the actual base with functional units and areas for recovering morale

[barren oar]

oh

i thought the idea was to forego underwater entrances entirely

or well, underwater hatches

so you dont have to deal with The Poison Cloud™

[barren oar]

huh?

[karmic drum]

No. That's why I said it takes a little thinking

You gotta outside the box

And beyond the path of least resistance

[barren oar]

so how does this like

help

at all

w.r.t. The Poison Cloud™

i know the intended method is to Consume It™ with The Object™ but you presented it as an alternative, i think?

[karmic drum]

Because as far as we know... it doesn't spawn in the air. So if you have all of your functional and recreational base above the water. Then you minimize your interactions with it. While also providing a space for recovery

[barren oar]

but you dont? interact with it at all? while inside of a base?

its only entering/exiting that is the issue

unless you call the light it emits "interaction"

[karmic drum]

Ooooh. I assumed it was effecting your morale inside the base as well

And I have had an excess of it cause me problems in my base

[barren oar]

admittedly, i did not think about morale... it might? haven't played around with it enough to know for sure

[karmic drum]

Trying to interact with fabs and the like

[barren oar]

oh yeah thats dumb

does it still happen in latest?

[karmic drum]

I don't know. I haven't played since before the

[barren oar]

fair

[karmic drum]

||tungsten fix||

[barren oar]

neither have i i think

just occassionally opened up a creative testing save

[karmic drum]

Haven't touched the game since the last time I told yall I was actually playing 😅

[barren oar]

with some Ingenious™ idea

[errant cairn]

nvm i have to completely recraft the laser cutter which im not going to do cause im lazy

[barren oar]

(the ingenious idea in question)

[errant cairn]

wait i might have to recraft the laser cutter to get into certain places because of the upgrades it needs

[karmic drum]

https://tenor.com/view/that70s-show-red-forman-kurkwood-smith-realization-oh-no-gif-16126082125311413161

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-stupid-georgetakei-takei-insult-gif-4762099

[errant cairn]

I already got the upgrade is the problem 😭

[barren oar]

...upgrades?

is there anything other than the ||alien base upgrade|| and ||higher temperature cutting upgrade||?

[worldly valve]

Its not so hard

Ypu can jump to your hatch from the water

Echo the dolphin style

[worldly valve]

Depending on the pacth its harder or easiwr to enter ones base with plankton

[barren oar]

in my experience, they dont block entrances at all

they do, however, occasionally block interaction within it

[errant cairn]

||THERES AN ALIEN BASE UPGRADE?!?!|| i already got the latter

[barren oar]

you'll get there eventually

[worldly valve]

Wthdym recraft your lasercutter

[barren oar]

though its definitely not as groundbreaking as the latter

[errant cairn]

My laser cutter is one slot not 2

[worldly valve]

Ive seen some xeath plankton by a hatch

[barren oar]

i dont think item sizes are reliant on the item instance

[worldly valve]

I recall that happening too...

[barren oar]

should be a global property

[trail ether]

except i just said it does

[trail ether]

I fixed that

[trail ether]

@barren oar and this is why I do not want people posting spoilers, even in spoiler blocks

people read them anyway

[karmic drum]

Well then I stand corrected 😅

As I've said in the past. I have no interest in exploiting your mod.

[trail ether]

it is

[karmic drum]

Ah good to know

[trail ether]

a giant Dictionary<TechType, Vector2Int>

[barren oar]

yeah thats fair lol

my bad

[barren oar]

yep

[errant cairn]

no ive already been to that place it just never did the thing for me

[karmic drum]

I was just hypothesizing a bit

[trail ether]

I do not care

[karmic drum]

Understood 🫡

[trail ether]

the fact that this instance did not really matter changes nothing

[errant cairn]

oookay. understood

[barren oar]

how do you say we discuss spoilers then btw

[errant cairn]

"the thing" and "the other thing"

[barren oar]

in the past ive given vague milestones like "post-lostriver" but there really isnt much to say like that here

since its not very. far into the game?

[trail ether]

if this were my own server there would be a "permit-locked" (to borrow an E:D term) dedicated channel

[karmic drum]

In dms

[trail ether]

but this is just a channel in a much larger server

[errant cairn]

so then why is my laser cutter 1 slot then?

[trail ether]

something else is probably overriding it, or C2C did not even load properly

[trail ether]

with only people who have gotten there legitimately allowed entry

[errant cairn]

does the fact that this is an older version of C2C updating to the most recent one affect it?

thats also probably why im getting a dupe glitch with resource monitor

[trail ether]

that feature dates from the very beginning so no

[karmic drum]

I feel like the chat would probably be empty. Even I've accidentally done a few things illegitimately 😅

[trail ether]

that also suggests something not loading properly

[errant cairn]

I have FCS still

[trail ether]

by that I mean gotten there organically by using the intended method where it matters

the only example I have offhand is the one for ChromatiCraft

[barren oar]

how tf do you check against that lol

[karmic drum]

Oooh. Okay, that makes much more sense

[trail ether]

but that requires having completed ||redacted|| and decoded ||redacted||

[barren oar]

that is horrible the moment there is more than one person involved in a discussion

[trail ether]

and I have denied or even revoked access for people who cheated either

even long after the fact, if that is when it came out

[errant cairn]

application system like the one we have for modder role

[trail ether]

by requiring proof

and having a number of traps in place

[errant cairn]

should I remove FCS then or is that not a factor?

[trail ether]

C2C is compatible with FCS, unless they did a major update, or you are using one far older than I built against

[errant cairn]

okay that answers that

I never updated in like the 3 months i was gone so

[barren oar]

i dont think fcs' working at some legacy update given 2.0 (and the 2025 release) has got their hands full lol

[errant cairn]

yea

[karmic drum]

FCS is integrated in such a way that you can't use it to bypass progression

[trail ether]

I built the FCS integration in november and december 2023

[karmic drum]

Not in the ways you and 9 normally do anyway

[trail ether]

and if I remember correctly it was not even properly released then, or it was but soon got unreleased

[errant cairn]

I last played around may/june of 2025

[errant cairn]

this is my mods folder

so idrk why C2C wouldnt be loading other than this is an old save from sometime between may and august

[karmic drum]

@barren oar the other option is a c2c group chat for the four of us who regularly play the mod and chat here

[barren oar]

yeah its called #1147624004648186009

[errant cairn]

[karmic drum]

Not anymore

We know too much

[barren oar]

damn are you fr #1147624004648186009 is no more? :(

pack it up guys its over

[worldly valve]

sometimes the intended method isnt clea

for example

|| that one locations with the angry things ||

heck its arguably less clear these days>.>

it also ends up feeling odd as it's more or less a "skill check"

and i know Reika disdains skill checks

[karmic drum]

Clarity isn't the point. It's the difference between accidentally cheesing something, and owning up to that so it can be fixed later.... and trying to directly circumvent intended methods. Then posting about it like you're proud of it

The second one gives less seasoned players a bad impression

[barren oar]

do you have the slightest idea how little that narrows it down? /ref

[karmic drum]

And makes it harder on Reika when approaching future developments or moderating the chat

[worldly valve]

||lifepod||

sometimes when posting what did one may think it was the intended solution

lets say for another example

using creature decoys to get to voidpod

hell considering i've never once used a creature decoy

i really thouht it was the intended method

as it gave a purpose for them to exist

and getting to the pod, at the time, was fairly easy with 3 decoys

[barren oar]

though i can say i personally have no clue how to get the Repairable Thing In The Dangerous But Still Quite Nearby The Surface Biome nowadays since you cant seem to be able to distract The Freaks nor do i feel like Spending Two Hours Holding Right Click, Pressing Two Number Keys And Holding Left Click For Two Seconds Every Ten Seconds is the intended strategy either

[barren oar]

oh ye

wait do you mean the uh

[worldly valve]

i mean shark cage i think would still work assuming that wasnt made an unbuildable spot

[barren oar]

The Floating One

or The Not Floating One

[worldly valve]

im refering to two different ones depending on the line

[barren oar]

it was 💔 my bad bro

[worldly valve]

voidpod was second example with decoys

[barren oar]

assuming you mean The Floating One

[worldly valve]

i did shark cage for

[barren oar]

or at least reika said she added a build blocking trigger idk for sure havent built up to there since lol

[worldly valve]

crash

voidpd is unbuildable i think

[barren oar]

ye it should be now

[worldly valve]

but i think crash zone shark cage should still work

unless reika made that spot unbuildable but i think that would feel too weird

[barren oar]

assuming you have the resources for that

you could probably also Propulsion The Thing You Need To Interact With now that i think abt it

[worldly valve]

but im pretty sure the intended solution is || stasuis|| based on conversations ive had with many over time

specifically a voice chat with a guy who talked with Reika

[errant cairn]

nah repulsion cannon

[worldly valve]

azuirte repulsion cannon would work

[errant cairn]

no it wouldnt because i have tried

[barren oar]

yeah see the problem is The Thing Destroys Itself if you do not Constantly Maintain It

[karmic drum]

This is the sort of shit she's talking about. Solutions that are so far out of what could possibly be intended

But are pursued anyways

[worldly valve]

tho thats still a skill based game and so i beleive cant be

[errant cairn]

i was far enough away to full repair it after using the sts rif

[karmic drum]

In an open chat where anyone could get the wrong idea

[barren oar]

idk i think i'd feel pretty ingenious if i came up with that assuming i'd be in ryley's position

[worldly valve]

shark cage bng obviously unintended?

tbh i think its what most players would think of first

[errant cairn]

you get Bluetooth hit by the angy things

[barren oar]

lol

[worldly valve]

i thinkt he only reson it wasnt done before was because hiding behind a small rock is super easy

[errant cairn]

and just violated

[errant cairn]

real

[karmic drum]

The point of c2c is to challenge conventional thought

[worldly valve]

well sure but

the stasis rifle solution is a skill based challenge

[barren oar]

conventional thought in subnautica would be to not do anything special because creatures are incapable of dealing more than 20 damage

[errant cairn]

and i could give less fucks

i just want a nice expansion 😭

[worldly valve]

do you think that is better than asimple wall?

walls are like, how to stop creatues 101

[errant cairn]

i should play prototype fr

[karmic drum]

Okay? Are you developing the mod? Do you have to deal with people undermining your efforts? 😭

[errant cairn]

COUGH COUGH (what were we just talking about bluetooth hitting me)

[worldly valve]

originally when i got depth 3

i didnt know there was an intended solution

[errant cairn]

wdym Okay?
No
I would give less fucks if I did (I did have to try to convince people to read a mod description)

[worldly valve]

i just repairs tooled and hide behind a rock because the game provided it

it wasnt even skill based as its a very slow reaction time and only 1 reaper exists

[barren oar]

the times i got it i just hugged the ground and nearby The Object Of Interest lol you seem to be invincible there

[worldly valve]

it actaulyl felt like an "intended method" as why else wuld a developer give me a reaper blocking tool like a rock?

[errant cairn]

well it seems reaper could care less

[barren oar]

though i havent done it recently, and i hear there's been changes since

[worldly valve]

i was a bit floored when someone told me the stasis rifle was intended and reika struggled to get it to be used in that spot

[errant cairn]

yea fr

[errant cairn]

i used it

[worldly valve]

as in that playthroguh i was kind of waiting for the moment i needed stasis rifle

because otherwise i was going to be a paranoid motherfucker and assumed i would need 2-3 more red tablets potentially

a big part of the problem is that "puzzle" is not really a puzzle

or if it is one is extremely open ended

though with all the changes there are now

3 reapers, extra fat, gravity grappling, extremekly high hp repair box, extremely fast hp draining repair box, and i think a max stasis rifle only being 6.5 seconds

im not going to lie

that is some silksong level difficulty

harder than most things in all of SilkSong

it doesnt feel like an inended solution anymore

hell it feels contrary to all i know of Reikas game design

unless the intended solkution is not stasis

which could be an interesting discussion

but even so all of reikas solutions to puzzlesin this mod as actually extremely simple

theres nothing crazy in the mod puzzle wise

the hardtes parts are all base related id say

i dont think anyones reported getting the extra water filter spots to work

tho thats probably a matter of put a water filter in every biome

[barren oar]

that is definitely something to consider too

it could very well be as simple as "base nearby that constantly sonars so it distracts them"

[karmic drum]

The mod in my experience gives you a lot of solutions. So many infact that it could make the average brain uncomfortable

And when presented with that overload of potential options

The brain instead lead towards whatever it thinks will get the problem out of it's way the fastest

But since the point of the mod is to promote problem solving and outside the box thinking

Not to be fast

The fast method is almost always the one method that isn't intended

[barren oar]

i genuienly do not remember a problem that had more than maybe 3 solutions

have any examples i mightve missed?

[worldly valve]

i still think the solution for akali vines feels weird

tho i dont know how it could be improved

[barren oar]

i was so sure the solution for that was locked behind propulsion but it works with something as simple as a seamoth lol

[worldly valve]

if i have a thing in front of me moving while im moving....there should still be waves n sttuff

[barren oar]

its very logical though i think

[karmic drum]

Three solutions is normally too much for a "normally wired brain"

[barren oar]

huh?

[worldly valve]

can you provide an example?

[karmic drum]

None that are relevant to this chat

[barren oar]

2-3 solution is the bare minimum for a tech mod lol tf you talking abt

theres way too many tech players for all of them to be

not neurotypical

[karmic drum]

But if I remember I can offer some in like 4hrs when I get off work

[karmic drum]

I'm speaking on basic neurotypical psychology as a whole

[worldly valve]

i honetly only tyhere there are a few uzzle puzzles in the game

most of its just find the tech to do the thing a la zelda style

akali vines, lifepod, voidpod,, redacted in the place, maybe being tactical with water height, i think water currents are intended to make mazes?, pet project reika pls

mybe a cuple river things i wont mention in that list

[barren oar]

currents only really affect two places tbh

you can overpower them with a seamoth and/or presumably other vehicles

so they're only really relevant for the. two. caves where you're freediving necessarily

[errant cairn]

Some yes, but I've
A. looked in the save data
B. experienced myself
and I can tell you a lot of water currents are completely impassible. Whether with a Seamoth, Seaglide or otherwise. I don't think prawn can. Not sure about ||Super Seaglide||

[barren oar]

i dont think ive ever seen a current you can reach with a vehicle that you cant overpower

intriguing

[errant cairn]

The Mushroom Forest Root system

I can't pass them with the better Seaglide I have with ||Supper Seaglide||

[barren oar]

...and can you reach that with a vehicle?

[errant cairn]

Nope

Not with the moth

Plus the better seaglide is almost as fast as the moth and ||Super Seaglide|| is faster

[trail ether]

aka a puzzle

[worldly valve]

i mean yeah, but sometiems one finds a solution that isnt intended but can very well seem to be

[trail ether]

then go make your own

C2C is not just content slop

and I actively undermine the efforts of those who insist on playing it like it is

[errant cairn]

Not really looking for that...

Really just looking for something like Prototype Exansion

Which I might play later

[trail ether]

C2C is like ChromatiCraft and RotaryCraft, not "As long as you installed the mod and looked at the recipes that is enough grounds for progression" like most tech mods

[barren oar]

i dont think i ever claimed that

[errant cairn]

I have an idea on how to fix sea to sea but i dont think it will work

[errant cairn]

do you have any common recommended fixes to try to get C2C to load properly?
Other than update (because i did that today)?

[worldly valve]

sometimes i dont get why you get so flustered at certain solutions and talk about how they are "obviously not intended"

[trail ether]

have you confirmed it is not loading properly?

[errant cairn]

Not yet

Other than a dupe glitch with resource monitor and the laser cutter not being a 1x2 (or 2x1) space in the inventory, I have no other evidence

[trail ether]

so....

how might you get this evidence

[errant cairn]

Testing honestly

[trail ether]

...

[errant cairn]

First I'll check the FCS Facility if everything (C2C moves) not there, its probably fine

[errant cairn]

Are you implying I should decompile source? Because runtime editor I just remembered I can use to check other things

Or Look at public source

Not decompile

[trail ether]

...no

I have been thinking for some time that for someone who claims to be a mod dev you seemed completely unaware of standard game design principles

now it seems to be the case for testing and debugging too

[errant cairn]

very helpful

anyway ill come back in about 6 hours after im done with homework and have done enough testing

[karmic drum]

Sooo... content slop then?

[errant cairn]

I know how to debug my own mod. Thats pretty much the extent of my debugging experience.

Not only is this a different version, its also a much larger mod.

[errant cairn]

Have you even played the thing

[trail ether]

for what I am thinking of that is not at all relevant

it is a standard debugging tool/strategy

[trail ether]

and yes I think it is best that I do not explicitly spell it out for you and instead that having you figure it out will prove productive

[errant cairn]

maybe when i step back for a bit

cause im frustrated at multiple things atm

oh yeah the logs exist

anyway not at my pc atm

[worldly valve]

lost lace is hard

99%

sufferumoning continue to be delaye

[errant cairn]

nuh uh

[worldly valve]

yup

she be wrekin my shi

last night oi discovered there was a phase 4

she exploded all over my face

was so sad

i feel like ive just about beat phase 4 multiple times...she be hard tho

99%

[errant cairn]

you will never reach 100% sorry

[errant cairn]

sorry for putting the jr. in jr. programmer. I'm only 16

[errant cairn]

bunch of "Error on LoadTextureFromFile call"s.
one invalid techgroup
bunch of save errors for another mod

but like, nothing implying C2C isnt loading

just a lot of missing textures

[trail ether]

what about actual exceptions

[errant cairn]

None that I could find

[trail ether]

there are always two but those are not load errors and mean nothing

[errant cairn]

Also, would the QModManager log be better than the BepInEx log? They don't seem too different

[trail ether]

the QMM log is the authoritative one unless unity itself hard crashes

in those caes you need the unity player.log

[errant cairn]

Ah okay

I'll check QMM log then rq

Gimme a few

[karmic drum]

Yes. And I wasn't exactly impressed

Well not from a "challenging or engaging gameplay" aspect anyway

It's very pretty. And I can see how some might find it entertaining

But it's not what I'd call a quality expansion

[errant cairn]

You know what? I think they really should have expanded on the void

[karmic drum]

For me it's just... too spoon fed. And rather than actually adding anything to subnautica itself. It just follows the dlc mod trend of completely yanking the focus away from the game itself. And instead replacing it with something flashy and attention grabbing.

That's what I love about c2c. It still feels like I'm playing subnautica

There's just a dramatically larger amount of subnautica to play with it installed

[errant cairn]

It still made me think, at least for some parts. I hated the last facility

[karmic drum]

I just... me personally. I'd rather have something that adds to the game directly. Then something that injects itself as a second game on top of the native game. Like trying to figure out what I'm gonna do when I get on subnautica is already overwhelming. I don't need to deal with choosing between two versions of it

[trail ether]

this is why I do not like overhaul mods

[karmic drum]

Yea. I would have to agree with you there

[trail ether]

be that GregTech, Angel's, Satisfactory+, Gigastructural Engineering, Frackin Universe, Vox Populi (or even BNW, which is official DLC!), or, yes, a bunch of SN mods

[errant cairn]

no idea abt the rest of those but why SF+?

Is seriously that spoon feed?

[trail ether]

it has nothing to do with being spoon fed

[karmic drum]

Was gonna say that's not the part she was going for

[trail ether]

it is about it being an overhaul that so markedly changes the feel and aesthetic of the game that it loses what drew me into the game in the first place

[errant cairn]

hmmm fair

fair

[trail ether]

same reason I avoid creatures mods in most games

De Extinction just barely passes the threshold

but in MC for example? I tried Mo Creatures and hated it

[errant cairn]

what about Ice and Fire (dragon mod)?

[trail ether]

hell i was even very against the introduction of horses all those years ago

[trail ether]

never even heard of it but almost certainly not something i would ever be willing to try

[errant cairn]

mkay. little op anyway

[trail ether]

it has nothing to do with balance

modded creatures never follow the vanilla aesthetic

among other things they are always way too detailed

for contrast here is a custom mob of mine

https://reikakalseki.github.io/imagedownloads/i-imgur-com_2FT0WlSQv.png

[errant cairn]

10/10

[trail ether]

and if you do not recognize it, here is a hint

https://reikakalseki.github.io/imagedownloads/i-imgur-com_2FogIrpZx.jpg

[errant cairn]

that isnt sf in minecraft is it?

[errant cairn]

out of curiosity, whats your opinion Create?

[trail ether]

https://reikakalseki.github.io/minecraft/mods/satisforestry.html

https://reikakalseki.github.io/imagedownloads/i-imgur-com_2FE0U80Iv.png

[errant cairn]

huh. ok

[trail ether]

you know SF, you know exactly what this is

though the source material has changed over the years, and so does not look quite like mine anymore

[errant cairn]

I do. and idk if i love or hate that specific biome

[trail ether]

for example holy hell the red bamboo is dense now

[karmic drum]

Create is a no for me. For reasons of not fitting visually. And totally overriding how the game is played

[trail ether]

much less intensely but I still do not really like it

where "it" includes the "environment around it"

[errant cairn]

how? other than the ponder system

[trail ether]

for example how it is memetically the "optimal" mod that has tons of people unironically choosing not to make mods, or being told to not make mods, because "why bother, it won't be as good as create"

for things that are create's "fault" I do not really like its aesthetic

it has a "medieval" feel to me which I always find offputting

[errant cairn]

Mekanism exists. not as popular, but it exists and is similar.

[trail ether]

mekanism predates create by a decade

[errant cairn]

actually not sure about the popularity

[errant cairn]

fair

[trail ether]

I will say create is extremely impressive on a technical level

[errant cairn]

Yeah, i agree. I haven't even tried to code a mod for minecraft yet

[trail ether]

https://reikakalseki.github.io/imagedownloads/i-imgur-com_2FGiiR582.jpg

MC spiders are cute, which takes some of the...sting out of stingers

[errant cairn]

And now I hate it

[errant cairn]

true

[trail ether]

also this https://reikakalseki.github.io/imagedownloads/i-imgur-com_2F4nJ2bPe.jpg

the node mine is based on - the uranium one in that loooooong tunnel cave from the grass fields to titan forest - does not have a stinger guard anymore

[errant cairn]

ohhh

[trail ether]

but in U3, which is what I first played, and based Satisforestry on, it had an elite stinger guard

[errant cairn]

huh. was it removed in U4 (i think thats when i played it)?

[trail ether]

I do not know when it was removed, but in U6 it was a standard alpha stinger, and since U8 (I played U8, 1.0, and 1.1) it is nothing at all

though there is an alpha stinger elsehwere in that large chamber, guarding a purple slug

[errant cairn]

Hmph. Neat

[trail ether]

now I do have some features from newer versions

eg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBLqfMIk-wQ

which @unreal flame made the model and UV mapping for

[errant cairn]

woah

[trail ether]

as you can see I also took inspiration from the geothermal generators

also, to go back a bit more to the topic of this channel, look in the background

[karmic drum]

This may actually be the biggest thing for me. I hate when somethings wide popularity is just... accepted by the masses. And then never is the thing itself questioned as to why it's popular. But the people who do think it's popular will rally around it with a very hostile protection. Attempting to shoot down any efforts of creativity that might challenge it

[worldly valve]

i did but theres moar

[errant cairn]

is morale affected by plants outside of the base?

[trail ether]

the question is somewhat malformed

[errant cairn]

I mean if I plant for example Acid Shrooms outside of my base and I put a window looking out over them do I gain a morale boost?

[pearl pier]

ah so a rebalance happened.

[pearl pier]

hard agree on this as well

[errant cairn]

God dammit Reika could you at least make the morale system toggle-able so that not everyone suffers from the imbalance? Right now, I'm going to sleep to try and relieve the stress

[karmic drum]

If she did that then everyone would simply turn it off and then there would be no testing data to be recovered

Along with an inevitable corus of whines and moans when the system is balanced, and suddenly the toggle isn't there and people have to play with it

[errant cairn]

I didn't even know how to turn on/off anything until I checked the files

[errant cairn]

I'm currently 5 nanoseconds of 20 through 0 morale gameplay away from exploding from frustration, anger, and stress

[karmic drum]

Then

Take

A

Break

[errant cairn]

Oh wow what am I doing right now

Plus 5 nanoseconds is like 5x10^-9 seconds

[karmic drum]

Bitching

[errant cairn]

that just proves my point (i think)

[pearl pier]

just realised my exploration findings say that there are ||bioprocessor fragments in the grand reef even though I never found any from scanning||

[trail ether]

and I know from experience that this is exactly what would happen

[trail ether]

and I already pushed the update that fixed that

I am watching @trail plinth 's playthrough and he is spending most of his time well over 50 morale

so either you are doing something very wrong or you are using an old version

[trail ether]

because you found some elsewhere

same thing for databoxes and other scans

it cannot know where you unlocked what

so it is managed on a per-flag basis

[pearl pier]

is there meant to be a proper way to manage morale in places like the dunes that isnt just "place down bases everywhere with well decorated rooms"

or are there any methods of gaining morale that also reduce morale loss?

im can't read the source code properly but ive been wondering if certain flags decrease and increase morale loss

if that was the case it would be nice to have a way to actually track that

[pearl pier]

Are cameras meant to still have static with the relay antenna?

[trail plinth]

Ive been summoned

[karmic drum]

I don't have any experience in the matter. It was more a deduction on simple human social behavior on my part

[errant cairn]

I mean I updated yesterday and I'm trying to get an ACU that's pretty and I have a decorative room with like 7 different plants and 3 extra items and a bed and a window and a wall plant

[errant cairn]

Is he in the safe shallows (I'm in the grassy plateaus)?

[worldly valve]

ive lsot my mobile vehicle bay

so low morale sea glide swim speed is basically the same as swimming llolololololololololololl

itsa a lil faster but

[karmic drum]

I feel like I'm going to unironically love the morale system

[worldly valve]

it mostly makes you move slow

i think its kinda dumb that decorating a base is now the most important activity to survival lol

3 food types is no longer enough to rotate through

if you eat 3 different fish

the first fish harms moral

(these are notes)

[karmic drum]

No no. Like it actually makes a seriously stupud amount of sense

[worldly valve]

not really

espeicall becase it seems to be the more vain item types

like posters

and toy boats

lol

but its now clearly more important to go collect posters and boats than techs

[karmic drum]

Take it from a psychological aspect

[worldly valve]

so its not 3 fish clearly need to rotate plants and fish

[karmic drum]

No. The tech is equally important

[worldly valve]

no its not

[karmic drum]

You want to get off the planet

And improve your qol

[worldly valve]

yeah but

in maslows jhigherchy

its letss important

[karmic drum]

You're only seeing a smaller part of a bigger picture here

[worldly valve]

you need toi be happy before you can worry about being alive

as per morale

i assume the keep calm poster would make people more upset

[karmic drum]

I don't personally agree with that pyramid. It's a bit... shallow

[worldly valve]

assume its a negative morale

[karmic drum]

Derivative

[worldly valve]

well its how c2c works

the keep calm poster betetr harm morale

as it would harm the morale of 100% of everyone

its the kind of poster tyhat makes one was to

want too

well not be alive lol

ad per evidenced why its only used ironically and to make employees less happy in the game

but currently in c2c

morale is more imporasnt than food

[karmic drum]

It would... except you don't have the luxury of getting caught up in that sort of hollowed thinking

[worldly valve]

especially because its tied to speed

yeah in reralk life

if you foudn that poster

youfd wanna die

thats a fact man

if you were stranded oin a planet

and you found a room

and all it had was that poster

youd be most likely to break down

right then a there

you wouldnt live

trying to figure what baseline moral is

im hopignthere is positives to the system

as currenlty it only fucntions to punish

im hoping 50% morale is baseline

and beyond that you get benefits

otherwise whats the point

im frustrated though because i did literally thtrow every oof those things in the trash

[worldly valve]

so you agree tyhe keep calm poster should be a nagetive morale item yes

@trail ether

but yeah tis just weird becaus ein a survival siutation

pointless items like that would be the last thing anyone would care about

and wouldnt make one happy

the only thing that might make onehappy on the planet is a room of plants and fishies

butthat is proven to not work atm

being unhappy also deplete your water faster

[karmic drum]

No

I'm saying that in a sort of environment like that

And your character being the person they are

[worldly valve]

ryley would be upset

100%

[karmic drum]

When you're in that environment. That circumstance

[worldly valve]

they would see that

and want to qwuit immediately

[karmic drum]

You loose the ability to care about those little things

[worldly valve]

there is no way you dont think that

it would be

demorlayzing to ryley

everything on the aurora is designed to be

eveyr toy is

every poster is

the game clearly indicates it should make ryley unhappy

as per the settig

if ryley found that

she'd go say hi to the safery reaper

but as peer the system in c2c os void

being happy

is objectively\

more important than food

it affects

move speed

food spped

water speed

crafting spped

crafting menu speed

and all of the systems designed to make ryley happy

would make a real person want to sepuku

no one in real life likes bad posters

[karmic drum]

Then again my opinion is different. Because I spend everyday struggling with autism and adhd, dealt with 15yrs or chronic mental abuse. My whole childhood, started down the barrel of chronic depression and suicidal thoughts and came out the other side... so optimism in the face of adversity is all I have. There's no time to care about how I think things "should be"

[worldly valve]

no one that isnt a teenager

and a posetr from work

that could not make you hsappy

oir ryeley happy

[worldly valve]

and if you had a keep calm pooster up in your bedroom yoiur whole life would be ever worser

its the kind of poster a monster, say a company that ryley works for, creates to destroy ones mind

but again being happy is more imporant than food and water currently in c2c

and happiness comes from posters

not plants

[karmic drum]

Okay. I'm not gonna try and explain survival mode or it's psychological impacts and effects to you. That would be an effort on deaf ears

[worldly valve]

ive been in survival mode too man

and shoit like that

is the most condesending type of thoing that awful people use when they dont want to help

keep calm posters are created specifically to have the effect of being unsettling

that is the intended purpose

but again

in c2c posters are more important to survival than water

and the game is now a decorating sim where you need to spend time cdoing random tasks that might actually look good to be told they dont look good

you should play it void

you want to soolve it yourself right?

[karmic drum]

Things like that. Self compassion. Reinforcement. Even if they seem hallow... that's what ultimately allowed me to heal

[forest valve]

makkes snse when u thin about it tbf

[worldly valve]

keep calm posters designed to cause mental cause helped you?

[forest valve]

your body feels more inclined to lock the fuck in when it isnt all sadfeeling

[worldly valve]

they are dedssigned with intent and purpoise to cause harm

[forest valve]

youre alot more likely to do your project when your happy than depressed

[worldly valve]

yes but this is survival

and c2c has maslows hierchy flipped upside down

happiness is more important than food and water

[forest valve]

well i guess u arent really expected to be happy when everyone you knew on a ship just fucking died

and your hopes of returning home are basically unknown until you reach the sea emperor

or likelihood i mean

[worldly valve]

morale just serve to slow the game down but not in a puzzle way

[forest valve]

especially since it seems what ryley is doing is a bit taxing on his body, because even at the start the pda says he had a 500% in his weekly exercise quotient

[worldly valve]

and baseline is 20

is there positive benefits above 50?

it makes using the fabricator stressful

as if you click too fast it closes the menu