SeaToSea

[karmic drum]

I think Rota has more going for it then big fish but unfortunately it will probably always be remembered for the garg first

[worldly valve]

i dont wish to miscomunicate his knowledge

[unreal flame]

my glasses are astigmatic

[worldly valve]

they are also descrbing effects such as after images

[karmic drum]

I'm gonna be honest... I don't know what my glasses are. I just know I see better

[errant cairn]

Eh RotA will come out after SN2 EA drop

[trail ether]

I also have that

though if that is a known issue with astigmatism I am happy to finally have that mystery answered

given that three years of tests, including an MRI, found fuck all

[worldly valve]

it is liairian is experiecnign some notabel isual impairment

[errant cairn]

Hopefully I can help get BtW out before SN2 EA drops.
Hopefully Prototype drops be SN2 EA

[karmic drum]

Permitted there are no legal complications

[worldly valve]

im not expert but what he is decribing sounds quite a lot. he is an out lyer to an extent. i just wanted to argue it's worth thinking about

[trail ether]

I am going to get new ones the moment i can find a lenscrafters that stops whining about what is acceptable male/female styles and insists on legal gender for basis of such

[unreal flame]

that's actually sort of what i'm counting on before drawing people into something at least vaguely complex

[errant cairn]

Define legal complications

[unreal flame]

not so much C2C tier (i'll leave that rebalancing to reika :P) but like, maybe Calamity mod

[karmic drum]

I just go to Costco 😅

[worldly valve]

they suggested an file setting to adjust it perhaps, though i know it's connected to gameplay now

[karmic drum]

Btw?

[errant cairn]

Beneath the Waves (BtW)

[trail ether]

see to me BTW means better than wolves

[karmic drum]

Ah. I'm weary to say that I haven't heard of your project before

[viral saffron]

by the way (I am funny)

[trail ether]

probzbly because I am continuously being mistaken for/assumed to be flowerchild

[errant cairn]

KooKoo's not mine

[pine ginkgo]

Oh yea, harvesting efficiency for plants in their respective biomes is cool but I have not even remotely had the urge to use it since its so easy to just plant more. Once I have every plant in a planter using them it recipes just feels like a timesink of filling up my inventory with samples, crafting, repeat. Its very monotonous. Maybe certain plants can only be grown in certain biomes? I suppose that wouldn’t be very interesting either though. I like the concept of eye flame cores but I’ve barely needed to use them.

[karmic drum]

Ah. Okay

[errant cairn]

And idk. Its in #🌍┃related-communities

[karmic drum]

Third time I've done that today 🤣

[worldly valve]

ahhh reika so by that list my rapid teleporting was expected bahavior:D

[trail ether]

I know but travel is too much of a pain to really force crafting across biomes like that

[worldly valve]

it created such a cool moment you know

[trail ether]

at least unless I added logistics drones are something

[worldly valve]

the three leviathans finally got by my decoys

[viral saffron]

conveyor belts

[trail ether]

but that is so far outside both the gameplay of SN and an acceptable level of effort for a minor benefit

[worldly valve]

they were comming at me, i was gonna get eaten

[viral saffron]

lol

[worldly valve]

then poof

i know now it was meant to punish me. but ...it was way too cool of a moment for that

[trail ether]

or ender chests i guess

[worldly valve]

10/10

[trail ether]

...precursor portal chests?

[errant cairn]

Sorry to disappoint

[errant cairn]

1574637/10

Must add

[viral saffron]

isn't that a thing in BZ? that could be neat

[errant cairn]

Right now

[pine ginkgo]

imagine dropping a gas pod on a plant while its growing and it changes it into some sort of special plant

Like deepvine or something

[errant cairn]

Ohhhh you mean the Quantum Locker? Awful. Can't change my mind. Specifically for the storage

[worldly valve]

my first playthought it felt like plants just slowly gave me more the longer they grew

[trail ether]

is it?

i played BZ once

[worldly valve]

yeah but they suck in bz

[karmic drum]

Okay. But here me out. We could build it better

[viral saffron]

I vaguely remember it from my one playthrough when the game came out

[trail ether]

surprise surprise an exploration game with a tiny map where you get led directly to every POI is not really very replayable

[errant cairn]

Yeah its called the Quantum Locker. It's awful cause the storage is awful

[karmic drum]

And where both questlines are absolute shite

[worldly valve]

i mean replayability isnt technically a problem we both know that

[errant cairn]

Make it a Quantum Wall Locker or something

[worldly valve]

tho this genre calls for it

[errant cairn]

Agreed

[worldly valve]

tho i forgot a lot of the smaller puzzles in the dlc for outer wilds

[viral saffron]

quantum bulkhead door, literally just portals lmao

[worldly valve]

i missed the game so ive been achievment hunting. it's so empty.

[errant cairn]

Lmao and block you off from that part of the base

[viral saffron]

exactly

[karmic drum]

It's no wonder the game generated insufficient revenue sales. And lead to UW's eventual buyout by Krafton

[viral saffron]

lol

[errant cairn]

Ehhh idk. Not sure they were going under

[trail ether]

I did not have too much of an issue with t h story aside from it being full of Deus Ex Machinas

[errant cairn]

Tf do you mean?

Define "Deus Ex Machinas"

[trail ether]

do you not know what that means

but for an actual example the cure

[errant cairn]

The 'kill' bot???

[trail ether]

probably the worst offender

[pine ginkgo]

"Deus ex machina" is a literary device where a seemingly unsolvable problem in a story is suddenly resolved by the intervention of an external, unexpected, and often implausible force or character.

[trail ether]

another bad offender is the phasegate that is just sitting around ready to go

[karmic drum]

That is exactly my problem. Too many Dues Ex, too many events which didn't add anything to the stories they were trying to tell. And neither which ended in any real resolution for Robins character

[trail ether]

and crucially reeks of the writer just using hand-of-god to shove problems aside, in a very forced and often massively power-creepy manner

[errant cairn]

Oh. Thats why Deathrun says "Died to Deus Ex Machina" when using kill

[errant cairn]

I mean it was explained though...fully

[pine ginkgo]

Think of a character losing a fight and they get some random ass power and win, then it gets explained afterwards. You could not have expected it beforehand and its just a way for writers to back out of corners they’ve put themselves into. Its almost always just an example of shitty writing.

[trail ether]

it was "explained"

explained by way of She Did It Lol Trust Me

[karmic drum]

An extra planetary phase gate on a quarantined planet at that 💀

[trail ether]

how she did it when 143 billion people in a civilization 5000 years more advanced failed?

who the fuck knows

The Plot Demands

[errant cairn]

I think you mean the enzymes

[errant cairn]

Hatching enzymes

[trail ether]

no

I do not

I mean that capsule full of Magic Bullshit

[errant cairn]

The cure was fully explained the Sea Emperor scan

Or something like that

[karmic drum]

Robin as a whole is a plot device. I would call her a character. But characters have arcs and resolutions. Robin simply gets dragged along so that they player can do things

[trail ether]

which is why the cure is made by two random plants with no sea emperor preseence?

[errant cairn]

Maybe the ||Enzyme Peeper|| scan

[trail ether]

two plants which emperors have never even been near?

[karmic drum]

Two plants well outside the crater?

[errant cairn]

It wasn't???? It was hatching enzymes that was made by 5 different plants

[trail ether]

we are not talkingabout hatching enzymes

[errant cairn]

THE CURE WAS MADE BY THE BABY EMPERORS NOT ANY PLANTS!!!

[trail ether]

i mean this shit

[trail ether]

no the recipe is literally two plants

i do not rmeember which and I do not care enough to check

[errant cairn]

Oh that fucking dumb cure? I thought we went BACK to sn

[worldly valve]

the rboto specialized, who cured a medical disease, got angry, blew up themselves, the end

alspo lets go to another planet

[trail ether]

killing an innocent furry artist bystander in the process

[worldly valve]

yeeeeeee

but you know what i did like

fred

fred was great

poor man

[errant cairn]

Who tf is fred?!

[viral saffron]

I fucking hated emanuel or whatever his name was

[trail ether]

seattruck pilot

the guy in the trailer

[pine ginkgo]

I beat BZ just out of respect to Subnautica, I didn’t hate it but I didn’t particularly like it either

[errant cairn]

O

[trail ether]

BZ was not bad

but it was nowhere near as good as SN

[pine ginkgo]

Yea

[trail ether]

nor worthy of nearly the same accolade

[errant cairn]

It was awful

[worldly valve]

bz was great for the first half

[barren oar]

nobody in their right mind would go to the frozen area of 4546b that is entirely valid

[pine ginkgo]

I remember playing the first EA launch

[worldly valve]

i say i actually imroved a lot of subnautica stuff

[barren oar]

but really i think its just convenience trading away realism

[errant cairn]

1/10 I want my money back

[pine ginkgo]

Its a shame so much got scrapped

[errant cairn]

I do like the graphics though

[worldly valve]

rigght until it/...put the two importat holes directly beside each other

[barren oar]

much like how most tech mods have their book craftable by say a wire or stone block

[worldly valve]

and had that...ice area

[barren oar]

clearly the books are not make of stone nor wire, but in case you do lose it, you need to be able to get it back easily

[trail ether]

you say that but at least one mod, though i forget which, had a book that was a sufficient pain in the ass to find that when i lost - or perhaps accidentally processed - it I went "fuck it" and spawned a new one

also special dishonorable mention to the thaumonom(onomonomonomonomonomonomonomonom)icon for requiring in-world crafting of the book

from a fairly costly block I might add

[karmic drum]

There are reasons I've never actually used thuamcraft

[barren oar]

well then thats just bad game design lol

[karmic drum]

And that is one of them

[trail ether]

<Thaumcraft:ItemThaumonomicon>.displayName = "Thaumonomonomonomonomonomonomicon";

I mean I like TC, generally

[barren oar]

hey so hi if you lose this book you'll need to be knowledgeable about X Y Z W etc mechanics to make it back better get to reading forwards lol

[trail ether]

not so much its "aesthetic"/"vibe"

but the gameplay I like

[barren oar]

thaum i find really cool but ive never tried wrapping my brain around it

[trail ether]

so much I keep trampling all over it

[barren oar]

im more-so into science-type mods than magic

[trail ether]

cough

gestures subtly in the direction of classes like NeutronModerator and VoidCoefficient

[karmic drum]

Love me a good magic mod. But thaum ain't it for me

[trail ether]

well those are not distinct classes anymore

concepts stillthough

[barren oar]

cant say ice heard of those myself

ive

[karmic drum]

I'm a basic bitch who plays the life out of things like Botania. Though that one is almost more tech than magic

[trail ether]

https://github.com/ReikaKalseki/ReactorCraft/blob/master/Entities/EntityNeutron.java#L270

[viral saffron]

also, knowing me, it'll be more like 60 hours lmfao

[trail ether]

it is magic

the categorization is defined primarily not by gameplay but by aesthetic

and where it is defined by gameplay it mostly concerns things like "unqiue crafting mechanisms", which puts it firmly in the magic category

"has systems that interact" does not mean tech

nor does "has internal rules"

that is just called being well-designed

[karmic drum]

You don't wanna know how long it took me to find the blueprint for the essential crafting item in plankton harvesting... when it turned out I was like 200m away from it the whole time 😭

[trail ether]

and by unique I mean actually unique mechanics

[karmic drum]

You're right. I honestly never assessed it from that angle before

[trail ether]

not the SuperDuperCoolMod UniqueWePromise Furnace™️

hence why eg RC and GT are still tech

[karmic drum]

God I hate copy paste furnace mods....

[trail ether]

despite having more kinds of machines than I do bug bites

[viral saffron]

I am going to be making a scanner room in every biome

[trail ether]

I was mostly referring to how almost every processing-type machine is fundamentally just a furnace

input,output, basic operational conditions

[karmic drum]

Oh yea. That too

[trail ether]

and I say that as someone with among the most complex operational conditions in my machines

[viral saffron]

(and by that I mean shoving all the ingredients for it in my seamoth storage and placing it in a new biome when I need)

[karmic drum]

That ain't a universal fix lol

[trail ether]

not the most

that goes to greg

[barren oar]

yeah bc how else would you do it aside from making the input and output lead into the same slots like you did for the [machine]

[trail ether]

works when you supply it a prime number of volts if the number of tuesdays since the unix epoch is a square number

[barren oar]

if you abstractise it enough, any type of processing is, at the end of the day, input/s -> process -> output/s

[karmic drum]

I think mechanism at least does a decent job at not making every machine... feel like a furnace

[trail ether]

for example four interlocking steps that affect each other

that would make it sufficiently different to not be a glorified furnace

[barren oar]

whether the inputs are material or energy or magic flux god denier 9000 or someshit

[barren oar]

as in, four machines that work together? replace one and the possible outputs change?

[trail ether]

no

[karmic drum]

Ah yes, reductionism. The quickest way to end any argument. Because no one wants to play a game where the rules rewrite themselves

[trail ether]

as in one machine with four internal processes, all of which are parts of the overall desired item transformation

[barren oar]

ah

[trail ether]

and which are not just sequential or parallel

think like those ball track machines

or some diagrams you see of flow-gated circuits

[barren oar]

o

yeah that makes sense when you put it that way

[karmic drum]

Man these days I just create horrors beyond human comprehension using create 😂

[trail ether]

for example while step A is running, B can but this blocks C

or every time D finishes it tries to initiate B

[viral saffron]

also, you were saying how you dont want lantern fruit trees to be my ONE source of food? how about if I make 16 trees lmfao

[worldly valve]

i have a question reika. do you murder the bone sharks like the rest of us?

[barren oar]

just use bulbo trees my guy

[karmic drum]

You're inciting a nerf

Genuinely

[trail ether]

time for lantern blight I suppose

[karmic drum]

Just gonma make her make it worse

[viral saffron]

wait wait wait no

[barren oar]

4/5 as convenient but you keep all the food and you can get full with like 5 items

[karmic drum]

Too late

[viral saffron]

I will simply never update my mods

[karmic drum]

The only thing that annoys me in sn... truly... is managing my water

[barren oar]

it would be somewhat interesting if growbeds had whatever the plant name of parasites was i forget

[karmic drum]

Because holy hell. Does it ever feel like I am perpetually dying of thirst

[barren oar]

so you'd have to regularly tend to them so the food doesnt grow bad (start with like 50% durability or somethi)

but that sounds kinda ass for outposts

i guess it would give more of an incentive to set up ACUs than growbeds

[karmic drum]

Boneshark? I stab. Ghost leviathans? I decoy? But needing to drink water?

https://tenor.com/view/idfk-gif-3761179052566277881

[barren oar]

just keep a bladderfish acu its not that bad my guy lol

pack 3 bottles for an expedition and you'll be good for the entire trip

[trail ether]

now you know how i feel every time i go outside between may and october

[karmic drum]

I mean... I already prefer acu's cause they're self maintained, produce outputs in mass when setup properly. And can be pulled directly from fabricator crafting thanks to easy craft

[karmic drum]

I live in the south. Try me 😭

[barren oar]

i didnt know easycraft does that thats cool

[karmic drum]

Currently under an 110⁰f heat advisory for the next week

[viral saffron]

wait does that work with the tiny aquariums? or do I really need to go to the ||one degasi base and scan the ACU there?||

idk if anyone here DOESN'T know about that but just being safe lmao

[trail ether]

we have a lot of those here too

[barren oar]

aquariums are damn near useless

[viral saffron]

with the spoiler

[trail ether]

cities have large heat bubbles

[karmic drum]

Naw. Bro I swear. I can be exclusively in my seamoth. And still loose water so fast that I can watch it happen in real time

[trail ether]

also I get to enjoy 90 to 100 percent humidity most days

because i am bracketed by four lakes the size of countries

[barren oar]

skill issue tbh

[karmic drum]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[barren oar]

just be less dehydrated

[viral saffron]

I will never forget the one run where I found a time capsule in the first hour and it had a stillsuit in it

I could kiss the person that made that time capsule

[trail ether]

an hour north of me they tend to get multiple instances a year of one to three feet of snow in a single storm

lake effect they call it

well more like two hours

[viral saffron]

also I'm assuming stillsuits are nerfed in this

[karmic drum]

I found one in a 2.0 run like that

[trail ether]

ten at rush hour

[trail ether]

no

[viral saffron]

oh thank god

[barren oar]

stillsuits are nerfed by way of introducing a suit you need up until the reinforced dive suit

[karmic drum]

Thankfully none of the capsules I've found in c2c have been accidentally op

[trail ether]

the guy who voiced pod 15 can tell you all about that

[karmic drum]

One had a whole cuddle fish in it though

Not the egg

[trail ether]

because I filter them

aggressively

[karmic drum]

The whole fish 😭

[trail ether]

including the ion battery trick

I regularly find completely empty capsules

because the owner decided to be stupid

[barren oar]

oh so thats why

[karmic drum]

Oh. Awesome. I'd be really annoyed if you didn't tbh

[viral saffron]

I have found maybe

5 time capsules

in my 500 ish hours playing this game

[karmic drum]

And just try to take the fun away from another player

[barren oar]

does c2c bump up their spawnrate btw or were they always this common

[trail ether]

they do not think they are doing that

[viral saffron]

I will go entire runs without EVER getting one

[trail ether]

they do not even think that far ahead

their thoughts, if any exist, is "lol this is cool"

[karmic drum]

I found 5 yesterday alone

[barren oar]

i swear ive found like 10 in my save just wandering about

[trail ether]

I do not

nor do I even know how to

[unreal flame]

dibs

[barren oar]

though in vanilla i never really interacted with the dunes either

[karmic drum]

There are no thoughts. Just the sound of DSL

[trail ether]

shit

[unreal flame]

i'm joking i don't actually want dibs on any 'mod concept'

if someone does it before me,

i'll just do it cooler

[trail ether]

specifically the DSL I had prior to sept 2018

[barren oar]

just add an automated pipe transfer system to AE then you can have all the interbiome transfer you want

[unreal flame]

see: eggs for creatures

appel

[viral saffron]

CONVEYOR BELTS

[trail ether]

read: 70 year old phone lines explicitly refused any maintenance because my area is full of geriatrics who never use a phone and so Bell sees no profit motive

[barren oar]

underwater?

[karmic drum]

Outside the technical and gameplay realms for sn

[viral saffron]

yes

[trail ether]

that is really difficult

[viral saffron]

yeah ik I was joking lmao

[trail ether]

"network logistics" is something i still regularly struggle with

every single one I have in MC has weird issues and edge cases that I do not know how to fix

all like 12 of them

I blame not being a CS grad

[trail ether]

some are glitchy enough I refguse to use them muself during play

eg the Electricraft RF cable

[barren oar]

naw man if even i can pull it off it cant be that bad

[unreal flame]

lord knows if it were by gameplay, chromaticraft would be more of a tech mod than basically every standard tech mod

[trail ether]

yes

[barren oar]

just dont have a pipe system where you can branch off without a specialised block/constructable

[trail ether]

right down to "if you are stupid i hope you like craters"

[barren oar]

like factorio's splitters

other than that what the hell are you doing that would make it bugge

[karmic drum]

You're going small scale locker to locker. That is very different from inter-biome transport

[barren oar]

if thats done it changes from a network implementation to simply port-to-port transfer which is substantially easier

[viral saffron]

guys just get a seamoth with 4 storage upgrades

[barren oar]

what would prohibit a pipe from being sent through the water, anyway?

[trail ether]

it feels like most of the issues revolve around world/data desync

[barren oar]

just build outposts

[trail ether]

stuff like endpoints persisting when their machine is removed, or not being added to a new one, or networks being split/merged incorrectly

[barren oar]

oh true minecraft doesnt keep everything global loaded like subnautica does

[trail ether]

or serialization issues

[trail ether]

that is how RotaryCraft works

and it is telling that i wrote that a week into modding MC, a week into knowing java

and have never substantially changed it

[viral saffron]

your entire minecraft world being loaded at once... your PC explodes instantly

[trail ether]

god that was 12.5 years ago now

[barren oar]

yep it really is that simple

[karmic drum]

It's also just... messey as hell...

And not very pleasing to look at I'd imagine

Would probably just motivate me to find some way to cheese the agriculture system instead

[barren oar]

personally i think automation systems are better the jankier they are

it forces you to think about your limitations and find a way around them, even if as insignificant as "no far transport"

[karmic drum]

Personally I think you might need cognitive behavioral therapy to correct that

[barren oar]

lol perhaps

[karmic drum]

Ok. Naw, that one was extra on my part

Gotta apologize

[barren oar]

it does leave the door open for slowly unlocking better technology as well

nah its funny dude dont worry about it

such as faraway teleporters

so you can take down your old setup and have a better system instead

no need for several kilometer long pipelines if you now can make a virtual network of all your items and use an antenna to transfer items to and fro between bases in range

but now you also have to deal with throughput unless you build more antennas, for instance

and maybe antennas dont even work underground

a lot of space for both vertical and horizontal progression

[karmic drum]

Yea. I'm gonna make a new c2c save

||and this time bum rush the recirc mask. Because I'm convinced it has better regualr o2 efficiency than the breather||

Suggestion. Make it so it's possible for the player to get mercury poisoning by consuming exclusively fish for too long

[barren oar]

really i think its just more random but still overall the same

except for high depths

||some of the time it'll take 1 or 2, the rest of the time it takes 4 or 5 so it still averages 3 every 3 seconds||

though i cant seem to find much evidence for this in the source

[viral saffron]

also make mercury ore consumable

also lead

[viral saffron]

I'm pretty sure the FCS mods have something like that

[barren oar]

perchance

i didnt play around with fcs that much

[viral saffron]

you cant just say perchance

idk if anyone gets that reference

its dumb lmao

[barren oar]

elite ball knowledge

that one's how i found out perchance even exists as a word

[viral saffron]

also its kinda funny how 90% of my total messages in this server have been sent in this thread

[viral saffron]

I just paused at the perfect time lol

[viral saffron]

I love water meters in survival games

[viral saffron]

nnnnevermind, hell yeah

THIS WRECK IS SO GOOD WHAT

18 hours and still barely done any real progression, god damn

[karmic drum]

I mean it's still gonna be nice to have. And I definitely could've gotten it way sooner than I did

||not gonna focus on the actual liquid breathing though||

[barren oar]

for sure

(its convenient)

[errant cairn]

i spent an entire real life day just gathering resources so my 50+ hour save is still 50+ hours cause its over 2 days

[karmic drum]

I suck at this game. I should do hardcore hard mode

See how smart I can really play

[viral saffron]

I really dont know what else I could do, I have looked at every fucking inch of this island, I even set up a scanner room on it

also the scanner room of the island is pretty cool

but theres literally nothing on the scanner room

[errant cairn]

||theres another pda i think||

[viral saffron]

the degasi bases are "titanium masses" but thats it

[errant cairn]

||outside of the degasi bases there is a pda||

[viral saffron]

wouldn't that show up on the scanner room?

[errant cairn]

it should

your save might be cursed

[viral saffron]

I think I know the one you mean

||the one in the little cave by the ocean near the base with the multipurpose room?||

[barren oar]

it wont if you havent loaded it in yet

or in other words, if you havent been about half a centimeter away from it, give or take

[viral saffron]

well I set up my scanner room in the bulb zone and found an "unidentified object" which was honestly a bit creepy, it was just an ||alien arch|| though

so I completed bulb zone

...I think I found it actually

lmao

[barren oar]

Oh

[viral saffron]

||yep, completed, ez||

forgor

to

spoiler the image

lmao

that thing was hidden GOOD, I normally never even find it in my normal playthroughs

[karmic drum]

Oh yea. I didn't find that one on my last one either. But I didn't commit to looking for it either

[viral saffron]

I wanna complete EVERYTHING

going back to sparse reef rn to look for what I missed lol

nevermind, still dont have all the fragments for ||purple tablet|| so I cant go in here

[errant cairn]

XD

[viral saffron]

theres another "unidentified object" MUCH deeper though, in the ||blood kelp zone|| but I know for a fact I dont have the oxygen for that

[worldly valve]

Super agreed

[viral saffron]

ok HOW DO I GET IN HERE

[worldly valve]

Do acttions for 2 mins you now have 0 wata

[viral saffron]

nevermind I am dumb

[karmic drum]

I sort of want to cut it... in like half in possible. But at the same time I don't. I understand that all these things tie into the gameplay. And that as I go on I'll get access to better forms of storage and exploration. And that the space held in my inventory by water feels less claustrophobic

And so if I cut that need for water. There's something... invalidating about that

[viral saffron]

ARE YOU KIDDING ME

I KINDA NEED THE MK1 FIRST

or, do i?

ok yes I definitely do

oh, hello

._.

also, bloom IS off there, theres just SO MUCH PLANKTON

so WHERE, IS MY GOD DAMN, MK1 DEPTH MODULE

[karmic drum]

I'll give you a hint. It's 90m down. And you've been there a lot

[karmic drum]

The bloom doesn't reduce the plankton concentration. It just makes your base more bearable to look at

Welp. I just started a hardcore hardmode save 💀

this is gonna be fun

no save scumming

every move has to be calculated

[errant cairn]

XD

betttt

[viral saffron]

-until you get a seamoth

[errant cairn]

you cant save in the moth

[viral saffron]

really?

[errant cairn]

wait you have to quit in a base thats crazy!

[errant cairn]

yeah in hard mode you can't save in a moth

[viral saffron]

I thought they were just doing hardcore, not also hard mode

damn

[errant cairn]

wait those are seperate???

[viral saffron]

yes??

it even says on the mod site "hard mode is NOT hardcore"

lol

[errant cairn]

how 2 enable

[errant cairn]

i didnt read the site 😭

[errant cairn]

is it in the json?

[viral saffron]

yeah, it just makes everything take a lot longer and a lot more expensive

spoilered cus its spoilered on the website lol

sacrificial seamoth

[pine ginkgo]

you can get away from that without breaking your seamoth

[errant cairn]

real x2

[viral saffron]

is it the wreck literally right next to my base

oh my god

[errant cairn]

no it isnt

you may want a scanner room...or two

possibly 3

[viral saffron]

I already have 2

[errant cairn]

you need at least one of them in every biome though

you cant just have 2

[viral saffron]

this is going to be expensive

[errant cairn]

real

[viral saffron]

even WITH 4 range upgrades they struggle to get the whole biome

like, what

[errant cairn]

yeah thats why u need more than 2

[barren oar]

fortunately its useless

[errant cairn]

wait really?

i abused it in areas with the bone shark where i didnt wanna get out and use my repulsion cannon

[barren oar]

i really have not found a usecase where it would change the outcome

[errant cairn]

||specifically azurite repulsion cannon. which can yeet reapers||

[barren oar]

oh well skill issue you're clearly not intended to bring the moth in such places

because it dies within 5 seconds of being outside of the vehicle

[errant cairn]

thats why i had to occasionally play Seamoth Tower Defense with my repulsion cannon

[barren oar]

just build a moonpool and dont bother really

[errant cairn]

||in the underwater islands?? nah scanner room is better™||

[barren oar]

did you know foundations exist

this might come as a shock to you but you can increase base stability

[errant cairn]

yeah why

[barren oar]

so you dont need to choose between moonpool or scanner

[errant cairn]

💀

moonpool + scanner room doesn't flood the base cause of low hull integrity

[barren oar]

plus scanner in that area is useless lol

[errant cairn]

sureeeeee

[barren oar]

you'll have at least a multiroom for power gen or planting which will bring you to 0

[barren oar]

genuienly what did you use it for

[errant cairn]

well thats why hull reinforcement exists

[barren oar]

you have exactly one(1) POI there

[errant cairn]

i didnt even have a base there

[barren oar]

skill issue

[errant cairn]

bruh what????

repair tool is better than a mool pool plus it not that worth it just to not have my moth run out of power in the middle of nowhere ||yes i know a important material exists there but i just park my moth hunt for it play Seamoth Tower Defense repair my moth go back 2 main base above water||

[barren oar]

you're overcomplicating it my guy ^

[errant cairn]

nah

[barren oar]

plus moonpool is more than repair or charge, its just for it being genuienly untouchable inside of it

[errant cairn]

i didnt even use my sea voyager to get there cause i saw it as FUCKING WORTHLESS

[barren oar]

wont even get ejected if power runs out

[trail ether]

???

[errant cairn]

if any mod options are supposed to appear they arent for me

[trail ether]

more that it is much more forceful about certain nonessential and more controversial usage of mechanics

stuff that I want to encourage or discourage

hard mode either is much more heavy-handed about that, sometimes to the point of entirely forcing you, or it adds some that I decided were not a good idea to make mandatory

[trail ether]

ExS increases the max range to 500 but any further and it will start bugging out

as it is the most outlying scan returns will visually disappear as you approach the target because once you get that far from the scanner room its logic unloads

[errant cairn]

are mod options supposed to appear for me Reika?

[worldly valve]

You are gonna have a super rough time down low

[worldly valve]

Corners of biomes are always best

Same for bases

Buulding in a biome is kind of a mistake in survival gamsa

[barren oar]

sorry ill build my base outside of the void biome next time so i dont build in a biome

some distance away from the world origin the biome stops updating, though i dont know how far exactly

[viral saffron]

make your base exclusively observatories

then you wont be in any real biome

[barren oar]

oh my god true i forgot they do that

thats so weird

i guess its just for the music but it makes them functionally useless

cant even use them for observation because you arent in the biome anymore

[viral saffron]

"let me build an observatory in the void to look at these cool leviathans- where did they go"

[worldly valve]

Its more jsut about builsing in the cornera of biomes rather than deep

So you cover more usable ground with 1 base

Its the same in all survival games

Its just a counterintuitive thing, also people often dislike it because its "nicer" to build in a biome

Its just mechanocally not as powerful

[worldly valve]

?

[karmic drum]

No. But what I will say. Is it contrast very obviously against the biome it's in

You'll know it when you see it. And you should keep an eye out for a pda you wouldn't otherwise pickup

[karmic drum]

I personally don't mind exploring most biomes by hand. And will mostly usely the scanner room exclusively for gathering resources

The only biome I don't like exploring manually is the crag fields

That place sucks

[worldly valve]

Really?

I find crag fields to be a rather intuitive area to find the things

It has a natural bush path that leada to the rare thing

[karmic drum]

For me the problem is that I always end up going when it's dark as hell. And... actually in hindsight... my only real flaw is taking my seamoth

[barren oar]

yep i got that i was just being pedantic lol

though i do also prefer being in the center of a biome if possible

i dont like seeing different biomes nearby except if its an outpost - even then, i try to keep it relatively central so i can mostly cover the entire biome and have one outpost per biome, because exploration findings make checking off one biome at a time a very good strategy

[worldly valve]

Ph yeah never bring the moth thwre

[barren oar]

its really not that bad

[karmic drum]

Yea. Sharks make it impossible

[barren oar]

theres one hotspot where they are all placed and the rest of the biome is just free

in my experience

like in about the center of the biome

as long as i mostly avoid it i dont get assaulted by the seven bonesharks ready to fuck you up

[trail ether]

what do you mean

[worldly valve]

But ya void...sinxe you are doing it blins

|| the lava zone will most likely kill you ||

[silk pond]

does anyone know what that yellow entry is. i feel like i have searched every corner of that cave

[trail ether]

I have a guess

[silk pond]

idk what it would be but i guess i will keep searching

i have used almost all of the|| breath fluid in my tank ||just looking for this thing

[karmic drum]

I'm not expecting to make it out of this save in one piece lol. It's just an experience

[silk pond]

||is it the ancient skeleton next to the cache because i have no idea as to what else it could be. and i have already scanned that thing||

[errant cairn]

like under "Mods" in the options menu

[trail ether]

that is not how my settings work

they affect game loading

they cannot be changed while the gamei s open

[worldly valve]

The river does kind of incentivisw exploring without saving for awhile at times

[errant cairn]

un related note ||is phytoplankon supposed to stop parts of the base from working?||

[silk pond]

||alright im giving up on that lost river cache for now||

[barren oar]

fairly certain thats a side effect of making them scannable

there really isnt a good way to solve it

[worldly valve]

Its stopped base parts from working?

[errant cairn]

certain ones ya

i had to rebuild the fabricator

[barren oar]

to be scannable and passthrough it has to be on layer Useable and a trigger - this makes it stop the raycast in base into useful objects, like lockers

[errant cairn]

oh and its outside my hatch so i just get poisoned immediately

[worldly valve]

I didnt think base plankton was scannable

[barren oar]

if it were on layer Trigger and a trigger instead, it would not stop the raycast - but now is unscannable

[barren oar]

its the same object

[errant cairn]

A. it is and B. its ||phytoplankton according to the scanner||

[worldly valve]

I thought they wwere just similad lol

[barren oar]

just has a field set that makes it uncollectable

[errant cairn]

i was able to scan it inside of my base

XD

[worldly valve]

Hum

I guess tjat makds the initial plankton scan wayy easier than it used to be

Because before the best way to find it was swim around crag without a suit until you got hurt

Aince it doesnt glow in the same way before you scan it

(And after you scan it its almost never gone)

[barren oar]

actually, @trail ether why not make the base plankton a subclass of normal plankton & put it on layer Trigger? or maybe, when the player enters/exits a base, put all loaded plankton on the correct layer (Trigger if inside the base so it doesnt stop the raycast, Useable if outside so its scannable)

well actually thinking about it more, it doesnt even need to be scannable after the entry is unlocked, so just set them on Trigger the moment one is scanned and leave them there forevermore

unless they have an interaction im forgetting? you can still detect nearby trigger colliders even if on the Trigger layer and i dont think any other type of interaction is used for them

[karmic drum]

I had to deal with that until I got the suit

[errant cairn]

i know where the suit is i can get it i just need to do a few things first

[karmic drum]

That's how I found it

[viral saffron]

||Is there ANY other place you can get the bioprocessor fragments except the dunes? even with a max range scanner room I cant find more than 2||

[karmic drum]

They're spread across a few biomes. But I'm not gonna say where

[viral saffron]

and I've moved it around multiple times

oh wait I should probably check the mountains

[karmic drum]

Also take your time searching and focus on getting sufficient power infrastructure

That thing blows through power

[viral saffron]

I'm right next to jellyshroom caves, just a couple power transmitters and I can get pretty much infinite power from there

(and like 5 thermal plants)

[karmic drum]

There's an electro-current limit that stops the player from doing that. Trust me. I tried

[viral saffron]

amazing

nuclear reactor it is

[karmic drum]

Unless you have a base in the caves. Routing power that far won't work

[karmic drum]

Nope. That's a late-mid to endgame structure

Bioprocessors, acu's, and solar

[viral saffron]

aaaand my fucking game just crashed

[viral saffron]

acus give power?

oh yeah ampeels

EXACTLY one day (and still no mk1 depth module for my fucking seamoth)

[karmic drum]

Not to my knowledge
They're just great at providing fish for steady bio-reactor fuel

[karmic drum]

Even if that is a thing in normal subnautica. I would disregard the idea. Reika isn't a fan of letting the player get off on easy, passive solutions

[karmic drum]

Focus on going wider. Not deeper. Trust me.

[viral saffron]

its literally in the mod lmao

[karmic drum]

Oh. I hadn't found that item yet

[viral saffron]

literally just scan an ampeel

it gives you the recipe when you scan them

[karmic drum]

Ah

Oki

[viral saffron]

but you kinda either need to have a base in the bulb zone or have like 20 ampeels in your acu

[karmic drum]

Seems like it isn't exactly something that's worth mass investing in

And it probably has a fall off the more you stack it

[viral saffron]

I've gone to every god damn biome

[karmic drum]

Honestly building a base on a thermal source might be worth it. You loose out on solar. But you can use some solar energy without being gated by immediate fall off. You can still use bioreactors, and eel bases acu's are an option as well

[viral saffron]

also I HAVE the electrochemical suit blueprint, just, no way of making it

[viral saffron]

how the hell am I fitting a cylops into the jellyshroom caves

[karmic drum]

Search the mountains biome very carefully, in there is a wreck with something that will be a giant help. Also invest in multiple o2 tanks. And as a general rule of thumb. If the pda doesn't say you're done with a biome. Then you aren't

[karmic drum]

It'll be a good while before you need to worry about a cyclops

[errant cairn]

to whoever said i cant have a scanner room and a moolpool and a multipurpose room and have the base not flood was wrong. i can. i even have an X compartment

[karmic drum]

By the time you do. You'll already be going deeper

[viral saffron]

I have an ultra high capacity tank and a rebreather, I explored the entirety of the dunes with just that

like, completed the entire dunes

[karmic drum]

I appreciate the gating of reinforcements to more mid game territory honestly

[errant cairn]

fair

[karmic drum]

But base building won't feel as constrictive once the pillars are finished

And it's not like you don't need foundations anyway

[trail ether]

see my todolist posted yesterday

[viral saffron]

OHHHH MY GOD FINALLY

WHAT THE HELL IS A MICROFILTER

[trail ether]

XD

[karmic drum]

Enjoy the next 12hrs of searching for it

[trail ether]

I live for these moments

[viral saffron]

oh wait I scan the ||vent plant things in the bulb zone/mushroom forest||

dont i?

or that could be completely unrelated

I have no idea anymore

[trail ether]

the usual recommendation when you have these ideas is to try it

especially when the cost of an attempt, as here, is very low

time, resources, and/or risk

[viral saffron]

I mean, I'll need to do it eventually, might as well now

[errant cairn]

Real

[karmic drum]

Real

[trail ether]

6+2i

[pine ginkgo]

I actually got microfilters before i found mk1

Based off what you’ve said you’ve got a bit to go before you get them

So good luck

[karmic drum]

Ah. I see you aren't blind

[pine ginkgo]

Well, it took forever for the scanner I placed to pick up on data cards

It never held me back though

I honestly found it right when I needed it

Its practically useless until Mk2 anyways

[karmic drum]

Oh no. I meant in finding where the microfilter was. I spent so long ignoring where it was

[viral saffron]

||how the fuck do I get to the top room in the mountains base||

or am I even supposed to be able to

[silk pond]

u aren’t supposed to

atleast i believe

[karmic drum]

You don't

I think

[errant cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/that's-the-neat-thing-that's-the-neat-part-invincible-gif-3109787441708074597

[pine ginkgo]

You just gave me a brilliant clickbait idea

Invincible subnautica mod 😭

They do have a Kaiju in the first season and a levaithan like monster in 2x02

That would make for some great content slop

[karmic drum]

No... please 😭 no more slopnautica

[trail ether]

that is a good name for it

[karmic drum]

Ikr

Literally the only thing that would make it more brain dead. Is if half the screen was actually just looped subway surfers footage 😂

[errant cairn]

Nahhhhh subway surfers under water

[errant cairn]

I got into there by

warpforward 5
But there was nothing in there

@trail ether what do you think of a mod that would let you play C2C on phone? This mod would use Steam Link (feature and mobile app for all machines using steam), which lets you connect to your computer from your phone, and the only set up required is to enable it, and further instructions would be on the front page of the mod. The mod would do this by bringing the mobile controls and utilities to PC. It includes:
Custom UI for (and from) mobile
Pause in PDA and any other actions that pause the game on mobile version such as battery swap (only other thing I can think of off the top of my head)
Autosave DISABLED, instead would automatically hold the up button IF:
In water
No input detected for 30s

Oh and instantly scan anything if enabled

[errant cairn]

Now that I think about it each feature from mobile would be filtered into "modes"
Easy AF Mode - All features mentioned
Easy Mode - Removes some QOL
Hard mode - Removes a lot of the pausing
Ultra Hard Mode - Removes ALL of the pausing and QOL improvements. Basic controls ONLY

(basic controls includes accessing tools and pda)

[karmic drum]

That entire idea sounds like an awful monotonous, and tedious waste of code

Not to mention all the "reports" that would come in

[errant cairn]

THEY DESPAWNED YEAHHHHHHHH ||(the phytoplankton outside my base)||

[errant cairn]

and I would make this

[viral saffron]

they despawn every time you reload your save

[errant cairn]

was just told that

[viral saffron]

but then when you leave to explore and come back they respawn

its annoying as fuck

[errant cairn]

which sux

[karmic drum]

She's working on it 😭

[viral saffron]

||why the hell cant I repair this door in the crag fields wreck||

I just used warp forward but that is definitely a bug, that or my save is broken

but I just repaired my little base I made next to it so my repair tool works fine

holy shit I just got the super seaglide glitch with an ||azurite battery seaglide||

I AM ZOOMING

[karmic drum]

There's a tiger plant under the wreck. Rn it's bugged so you have to break the plant to fix it. But fixing that bug is on the todo list

[trail ether]

this is not a question with a simple answer

but in not-short

1. I do not care about playing C2C on phone, either way, whatsoever

I have neither any opposition to people trying, as long as no sacrifices are being made, nor do I have any compulsion to help them do so or issue with it being impossible and telling people to move on

2. the ideas you list span the entire spectrum of acceptability

in roughly increasing order of being a problem:

I do not care about pausing one way or another

Custom UI is not an issue so long as no information is being removed or added

Holding up - or any other automatic key input - is undesirable, though maybe not a complete dealbreaker depending

instant scan IS completely unacceptable

[viral saffron]

||I just went to behind the aurora cus I heard some people talking about that, and, theres really no PDA or anything? surely this is a degasi base that was then absolutely trashed by the aurora crashing right next to it, but, I'm surprised theres no PDAs or ANYTHING nearby||

[viral saffron]

after looking all over ||in the bulb zone/mushroom forest caves, I can safely say the geyser coral does NOT exist, and is a figment of everyone's imagination||

wait, no, I am stupid

good news everyone, it DOES exist

[barren oar]

lol

[viral saffron]

WHY IS THERE SO MUUUUCH

reika you are evil

[barren oar]

Find Everything :)

i do think there should be a bit of leeway with 2 or 3 extra but for the time being you need to find every last one

[silk pond]

there is 1 extra

[tight creek]

I encountered the situation as you before.

I had almost one step to trigger the ending.

[barren oar]

huh???

first time i hear of that, nice

[tight creek]

Yeah, There's one.

[errant cairn]

one extra

they're all scattered between 2 biomes or something

[errant cairn]

Its for if the connection crashes for whatever reason

While yes, Subnautica isn't being ran on the phone, Steam Link has this GOD AWFUL habit of disconnecting even on good wifi for seemingly no reason unless you're on the same wifi as the computer running the game. I don't particularly like losing 15+ minutes of progress just because I have bad wifi/disconnect for a bug/no reason at all.

also it wouldn't work in any cave cause ya know roof over your head. or anywhere that has a jump button instead of an up button

I might just have it pause instead....yeah that might work

[errant cairn]

Fair. ig UWE wanted it so the player didn't have to worry about scan time in dangerous biomes when making the mobile version. I can set it so that you can remove it at will pretty easily

[tight creek]

Well, I think the unknown object that remains in Lost River Lab needs to be fixed soon.

[errant cairn]

spoiler that

[unreal flame]

the scan thing would honestly break RotA progression as well

[errant cairn]

why?

[tight creek]

Sorry, but I just wanna witness the ending.

And what if I harvest metal salvage from Aurora.

[errant cairn]

it does sometimes save people from being shattered. I know I have at least twice when playing mobile

[unreal flame]

there's at least one instance where instant hand-scanning would break intended RotA progression/completely trivialize an optional challenge

[errant cairn]

oh its not part of the demo then okay then A. it needs an update and B. I'll find a way to make it easily disabled permanently in 2.0

cause its staying for those who want it

and for mods that dont want to go through the one line of code just to disable it

[karmic drum]

I almost died in the first 30mins yesterday

[errant cairn]

its kinda why i barely beat vanilla hardcore

[karmic drum]

I forgot there were no o2 alerts 🤣

Now I multi-tank without even having the mod station

[trail ether]

how would I possibly make one

[karmic drum]

Also I'm cucking myself by not letting myself fix the drive core until I fully explore the ship. Which pretty much means no rebreather

[errant cairn]

you really should fix the drive core right now

otherwise its impossible to explore the whole ship

[karmic drum]

Well I ain't doing shit till the sun comes up 🤣

[viral saffron]

you know if you have an xbox controller or something you can connect it to your phone with bluetooth and it is 10x better

[errant cairn]

true but i have an off brand ps4 controller rather than an xbox controller

[viral saffron]

I have like 5 xbox controllers with varying levels of functionality lmao

[errant cairn]

lmao

[viral saffron]

also I will join vc in a second, literally just woke up

[errant cairn]

ok

[viral saffron]

oh my god where the fuck is this last geyser coral

this is genuinely the worst experience I've had in this game

[karmic drum]

I found all 21 with no real issues

Couldn't tell you where they are though

[viral saffron]

is there one like

[karmic drum]

Now the bacterial samples on the otherhand.

[viral saffron]

way off in some random cave

[karmic drum]

That shit drove me made

[karmic drum]

It's all in that same cave system

[viral saffron]

the bacterial samples were easy

[karmic drum]

It's just a really big cave

[karmic drum]

The tree confused me so bad. I kept running in circles

[viral saffron]

I got the one ||INSIDE the lava geyser||

I just

cannot

find the last one

[pine ginkgo]

I found them just by exploring but was there any PDA entry point to ||the bacterial colonies being in the mushroom tree||

[karmic drum]

I don't believe so.

||I think you're just supposed to find them while exploring lifepod 13||

[pine ginkgo]

Ah thats fair

[worldly valve]

Acaning rooms

[karmic drum]

Because that naturally leads you into the tree

Where you'll find the samples as you go

[karmic drum]

I don't think those types of things show up on radar

[worldly valve]

After 50% they do

Unless thatbwas changed

(Purp turt gets no luxury tho)

[errant cairn]

Reika nerf the phytoplankton damage around the base please 😭 i couldnt leave without dying

[karmic drum]

||do you have the electromechanical suit prints yet?||

[errant cairn]

no and i could get them but i dont have many of the requirements yet. i could try to speedrun them but still

[karmic drum]

Ah. Well you're gonna need that to not die. Or see if you can build your base somewhere it won't be swarmed by plankton. If an area like that even exists...

Maybe the only reason I haven't had plankton swarming my safe shallows base

[errant cairn]

safe shallows/above water

[karmic drum]

Is because I haven't met the triggers just yet

[errant cairn]

idk

[karmic drum]

Ok yea. I'd rebuild your base to avoid dying a horrible death

[errant cairn]

i save just before leaving im fine

[karmic drum]

That's not gonna work for me

I also don't like restarting the game just to save scum

[errant cairn]

well then get a massive solar array goin and gest of gs

[trail ether]

especially if people listen to the best-acted PDA log in C2C

[karmic drum]

I mean fortunately both the early game power methods are cheap. And can be offset by powerbanks

[karmic drum]

That log... was so good

[trail ether]

or deal with plankton the intended way

[karmic drum]

I don't who voiced that

But they are phenomenal

[errant cairn]

collect it instead of moving the hatch every 5 minutes?

[karmic drum]

I never actually learned that 😂

[trail ether]

his online name was different but he asked to be credited as Clinton Westover

[viral saffron]

the only ones I've seen voice acted were lifepod 9 and the ||giant mushroom tree guy||

lol

[karmic drum]

Well Clint did an amazing job

[trail ether]

a couple others are now

pod 10 radio got acted recently

still waiting on pods 1 and 14

[karmic drum]

There's more that you haven't encountered yet

[trail ether]

and a redo on...something else

[viral saffron]

I dont think I got pod 10 yet

[pine ginkgo]

rrrrrooooooaaaaarrrrrr is the best pda

[trail ether]

I had fun with that

[viral saffron]

I haven't gotten 10 or 1 yet

[karmic drum]

I never actually found the human voice acted part of lifepod 10

Only the reaper pda

[trail ether]

it was added only a couple updates ago

and was the radio mesasge

not a PDA

[karmic drum]

Then again. I also found pod 10 way sooner then I was supposed to

[pine ginkgo]

The sound design for the ||galvanic leviathan|| is great

[karmic drum]

Well then I will enjoy running the up to date version of the mod

[trail ether]

:3

[pine ginkgo]

is there really any point in it ||doing the emp blast? It just stops you for a second or so.||

[karmic drum]

Also I don't know if you actually wanted to adjust it or not. But creature decoys 100% work on ghost leviathans

||even the ones in the void spikes||

And I don't know if you had an actually intended method of dealing with them

[pine ginkgo]

||Well the ghosties there wouldnt be a problem if you get there the intended way||

[karmic drum]

I didn't. And I gave our poor dev here a headache over that

[trail ether]

in the long term there are not planned to be ghost leviathans there

one leviathan is plenty

[karmic drum]

Ah. So that's a temp then

Also holy god. What kind of light do I even need to navigate in that biome

[trail ether]

their spawn is literally compared against a bool for the C2C leviathan being finished

as soon as i set that true, it spawns and they do not

[trail ether]

the light of intellect

[karmic drum]

Then I have all the light I need

Or will need

Presuming I don't die before making it that far into this save

[pine ginkgo]

Oh is the ||galvanic|| supposed to be tangible

?

I thought it was implemented to be in the background

I kind of like it like that even though its not really any sort of threat

Imagine people coming to the mod for ||adding a leviathan, and the mass amounts of disappointment when its not like the garg or something||

||thats giving them too much credit though, thats pretty far into a playthrough||

Do you plan on adding ||a lot more to the void? Maybe a special plant or something? I got more than enough abyssoclase in a single trip.||

[silk pond]

wait but what goes in that slot

[worldly valve]

Its also the funniest log

"Let me just monologue here for a few mins"

[barren oar]

yeah like dude would've easily gotten out in that time

bro's trolling atp

[barren oar]

you can easily see the next part to go to without even the default headlight

of course you would want it to not bump into shit though

[errant cairn]

theres so much ||phytoplankton|| around my base that i just have an infinite farm of it

[worldly valve]

Jeese not on my screen

The darkness there makea arc at night look light

[errant cairn]

i actually cant get rid of it

[barren oar]

follow the || grand reef pods || my guy

they will always be anchored to a piece of land

but the land itself isnt luminescent enough to see from far away ye

[willow fox]

Guys, where can I find ||tungsten|| from the latest update?

and one more question, am I the only one who experiences a significant fps drop when using this mod? does anyone know how to solve this?

[barren oar]

c2c is pretty laggy yes

if you mean microstutters in particular, saving in a vehicle instead of saving in a base can usually alleviate it

[karmic drum]

Almost got a mobile vehicle bay up and running. Don't have the moth print yet. But I almost got the vehicle bay up and running

Also I'm really curious how the decoration rating works

Because I know how to raise the ratings for storage and agriculture (sort of)

But I have no clue how to raise the rating for something like power generation or manufacturing

Ig the term decoration rating implies the use of decorations. And not just spamming utility structures which aling with that ratings. So I'm probably missing something there

[pine ginkgo]

If you have a base close enough to load the ||lost ricer survivor base, get rid of it, it causes a bit of lag when constantly loaded||

[barren oar]

i dont think bases load stuff around them

[pine ginkgo]

No idea what the cause is

[barren oar]

its just the bases and stuff inside thats kept loaded

[pine ginkgo]

But it was ruining my playthrough until I deconstructed it

[barren oar]

i think its more-so just too many bases

[pine ginkgo]

Game would last 25 minutes before hitting 1fps

[barren oar]

though i cant lie i have had weird experiences with my outpost nearby it too

power looked like it was constantly drained, for one

[pine ginkgo]

Immediately fixed when I deconstructed that specificbase

[viral saffron]

SO MANY BABIES

[barren oar]

even though it used a bioreactor and had nothing that would consume power outside of the moonpool (which was only used when i reached it)

[barren oar]

Intriguing

[worldly valve]

||something to do with tonguelillies and maybe another mechanic but who knows ||

[viral saffron]

hold on do multiple ampeels hatch from each egg, cus they hatched but theres still eggs on the ground

[pine ginkgo]

When Im home I can take a picture of where I had the base to see if the problem can be recreated

[worldly valve]

||My trick is to only hover at the first island. Even the supe headlights do nothin ||

[barren oar]

skill issue tbh

i havent had any problems reaching 900m without that module

[pine ginkgo]

Yea I didn’t have too big of a problem with navigating it

[worldly valve]

Its probably a specific base you huilt

Likely by a survivor base

|| BLOOd kelp trench is a big offender||

[pine ginkgo]

I have one by the ||mountain|| base and it doesnt cause issues

It was specifically the ||lost river/kelp trench|| base

[worldly valve]

On randal beta me to it lol

[worldly valve]

This every time

[worldly valve]

In Lairians playthrough i belueve the mountain base was causing it

Tho he hasnt finished my troubleshooting instructions yet

[barren oar]

moral of the story is abandoned bases are haunted by their builder so dont build near them if you want to enjoy life

[worldly valve]

Darknessssssss is dark. The darkness from outwr wilds is more navigatable

[barren oar]

i havent yet played ow i should do that sometime i hear its great

[worldly valve]

Also moving in that biome is a trap imo. There isnt a need as the studd spawns super fast

[barren oar]

you cant even build there i think

[worldly valve]

You will spend longer looking for the next nodule than the 10 seconds they take to griw

No you cant🥲

[barren oar]

oh that

[pine ginkgo]

It was on the ||lowest ledge of the lr entrance that goes to the cache, about 600m down. Power would drain and be at 0 yet the base would be powered. It was a small base, multipurpose room with a bio processor and scanner room. The lag stopped when I removed the multipurpose, nothing before that fixed it.||

[barren oar]

is what you mean

[karmic drum]

Other morale is to keep bases small. And plan expeditions around that

[worldly valve]

C2c is heabily inspired bynit

Its outwr wild aspects are why i put up with everything else

[willow fox]

yes, i noticed that in specific places like this or underwater islands fps drops to almost 5-10, but on the rest of the map it doesn't exceed 45

[worldly valve]

Whete do you jabe bases buikt

Go into outer wilds as blind as possible

All you need to know is that its an open world mystery in space metroid Brainia style

|| YOULL NEVER FIND A BETTER WALKING SIM;)||

[willow fox]

to be honest i already finished the game with this mod about a year ago

So what about ||tungsten? Does anyone know where to find it?||

[pine ginkgo]

Nope, Im at the point where I need to figure that out though

I have some suspicions

[worldly valve]

I do but

I dont know how to give a reaspnable hint

[errant cairn]

Reika, I hate you

[worldly valve]

Theres two methods for tungsten that i know of

[errant cairn]

why tf did you add a constantly depleting box?

[worldly valve]

One is a "grindy" method

[pine ginkgo]

I think I know both

[worldly valve]

Tho i never found that method to be grindy

(Nostly becsuse scanning room for a full intentory of stuff takes what, 5 minutes?)

Also a machine passivly helps

[pine ginkgo]

||One has to do with crushing and one has to do with filtering via a certain plant||

[errant cairn]

i had to use an ||azurite repair tool to repair the recirculation mask data box and took a hit from a reaper to get it||

[worldly valve]

I was actually trying to get rhe true method to work whule my grindy method succeedes

My testing is from patches ago tho

[pine ginkgo]

Wheres the recirc mask again?

[worldly valve]

There was an acrual bug/issue that got trouble shooted heavily

Mmm i think

[pine ginkgo]

||dunes?||

[worldly valve]

|| Dunes or mushroom?||

|| its easy to get recirc super early||

[errant cairn]

||mountains||

[pine ginkgo]

I was thinking it was the one in the grand reef but thats ||sealed fabric||

[worldly valve]

Ahh sonewhere in the cross

[errant cairn]

||recirc mask is in the mountains||

[worldly valve]

||sealed fabric i have gotten well after heat sealed fabric every single time ||

||i think heat sealed might be harder now...but i used to find it funny how much easier it is to find||

[pine ginkgo]

I actually only just found heat sealed fabric

Just when exploring ahha

[worldly valve]

I think the voice prompt for mk 1 should be changed

[pine ginkgo]

Was there a pda hinting at it?

[worldly valve]

The fact tjat its a generic voice entry that can only trigger once is rough

I think base subnautica has the same problem with the jelly cave prompt

[pine ginkgo]

The issue I had with MK1 is that the “theres more to explore here” goes away after getting a single fragment, so for a while I thought the other pieces were not in that biome

[worldly valve]

If you dont respond righr away to it, asy to forget it exer existed to begin with

Jelly xaves i think waa the final biome infound in base game😂😂😂😂😂

[worldly valve]

That is also an issue yes

[pine ginkgo]

Also the last two fragments are hellish to find without a scanner room

And it took forever for them to show up in my scanner

[worldly valve]

I onoy found them by accident myself

My base was on the edge of shallows/kelp/jelly/grass/sorta crag/sorta crash

I think i had found mk 3

Then i decided it was finally time to build a moth...much to Reikas dismay

[pine ginkgo]

I luckily found them when my next step was the ||liquid breathing||

And I had mk2

[karmic drum]

I found the mk2 before the mk1

[pine ginkgo]

So they were the last thing I needed before moving forwards

[karmic drum]

But looking back it wasn't bad

Especially if you found the one pda

[pine ginkgo]

?

[karmic drum]

Which gave you a hint that something might be down there

[pine ginkgo]

I only remember there being a single hint

[worldly valve]

I just wish the true hint was maybe put in th3 jelly cave info once you trigger it

[pine ginkgo]

The issue I had is that my scanner room took forever to display data card and idk why

[worldly valve]

Because i can easily easily see that prompt getting missed

[pine ginkgo]

By forever I mean like 20 hours

[karmic drum]

Why does my compass occasional act like it's off it's magnetic center?

[pine ginkgo]

I built it down there max range upgrades when I got the first data card

And it just didnt show the other ones

Then one day it just decided to

[worldly valve]

Intended mechanic

[karmic drum]

Ok. Seems sorta dumb

But ok

[karmic drum]

Well no

[worldly valve]

Tbh i agree

[karmic drum]

Let me step back

[worldly valve]

Reika wanted people to not rely on it so much

[karmic drum]

Why is it an intended mechanic?

What challenge to be....

[worldly valve]

Tho i think it more makes people use m9re beacons

[karmic drum]

Could've just removed it 🫥

[worldly valve]

The idea is to encourage passive exploring

[worldly valve]

I agree there too. Better to remove something than to make it useless

But reika also put in a fake teleport if you get to || void spikes with seaglide:/||

[barren oar]

that only makes sense in one biome tbh

[pine ginkgo]

I just know the map so well Ive never had many issues with direction

[worldly valve]

And that is also an intended mechanic

[barren oar]

the compass misdirecting

since theres a lot of electrically charged objects around

[worldly valve]

And i think that is also kinda pointless

[pine ginkgo]

Will the crystals ever have a use?

[worldly valve]

||abbyso?||

[pine ginkgo]

No

[barren oar]

hazard lol

[pine ginkgo]

Piezo or whatever it is