SeaToSea

[errant cairn]

||Never explored the dunes this play through||

[pine ginkgo]

Just as a progression hint ||you’re not close to needing to worry about going to pod 15||

[errant cairn]

I think ||perimeter defense seamoth costs deep shrooms|| no?

[pine ginkgo]

First thing I did was ||go to every wreck||

[pine ginkgo]

No idea actually ||I don’t use it||

[errant cairn]

||Every wreck? I'm getting everything I see in every biome I can get to with my moth that has portable storage||

[errant cairn]

Oh lol

[pine ginkgo]

The moth can only take you so far, I pretty much just used it for storage and a “checkpoint” at 200m. I’d never bring it into any biome w reapers.

[errant cairn]

I'd only bring it to the mountains if it was still docked at my sea voyager

[pine ginkgo]

Have you ||repaired the azurite battery in used it in the cutter?||

[errant cairn]

||shoved it in the seaglide as soon as I got the cutter||

[pine ginkgo]

Ok good

I somehow didn’t think to do that when I first got it

[errant cairn]

Lol makes sense actually

[pine ginkgo]

I think there’s a log for the ||azurite battery that mentions it being more powerful||

[errant cairn]

Had someone give me advice on it

[errant cairn]

Not sure cause I haven't checked. Tldr the entire PDA and everything I find.

Will the stasis rifle ||do shit to stop the ghost levis while I repair the data box at lifepod 15||?

[pine ginkgo]

Maybe, but I don’t know if its intended

||I haven’t even gotten the stasis rifle yet. I can’t get anything to spawn from the sunbeam outside if a single piece of avolite.||

[errant cairn]

I'd have to ||sac a moth|| as well i think

[pine ginkgo]

Wait no

||you definitely need it||

[errant cairn]

Tf is ||avolite||

[errant cairn]

||Need what? The stasis rifle?||

[pine ginkgo]

||Yes, for reference I haven’t gotten to 15, but I know what you need to get there. Once you get there you use the rifle to create a bubble while you repair the box||

[errant cairn]

||ohhhhhh brain blown I completely didn't think about that ima sleep now so I can play tmr morning and do that||

[pine ginkgo]

Can you reach it?

Wait do ||you have a stasis rifle??||

[errant cairn]

Wait what if I get bluetooth hit again through the ||bubble||

[errant cairn]

||I just scanned it I saved at the floating island I'll go back to base and make it but I think I need the jellyshroom caves for magnetite||

[pine ginkgo]

||its a different recipe, you need avolite and much more||

||i don’t even have one yet||

[errant cairn]

TF IS ||AVOLITE||

[pine ginkgo]

Do you want me to spoil it

[errant cairn]

Later™

I just the specific biome its in

[pine ginkgo]

||has the sunbeam happened for you yet||

[errant cairn]

||yes||

[pine ginkgo]

Ok well that should give you a hint

[errant cairn]

i hope. Cause I VIVIDLY remember it happening while I was away and I have almost 20 hours in my save

[errant cairn]

||A. It barely does considering I have no clue where the sunbeam wrecks would have spawned B. Please tell me they're not in the Mountains/Dunes C. Gn I have to sleep now||

Wait does ||repulsion cannon do shit to ghost levis?||

[pine ginkgo]

||Well the sunbeam landing is directly over the mountains||

I don’t know about the repulsion cannon

||Save in your moth right outside to the QEP, and just stick to the ocean floor with your glide. Avoiding the reapers isn’t too bad.||

||You definitely don’t need the stasis rifle yet though. Don’t worry about pod 15 for a while||

[errant cairn]

||oh well getting it anyway||

[pine ginkgo]

You probably can’t get some of the other materials for it yet either

||benzene||

||its not the same as vanilla||

[errant cairn]

||what about Sea Voyager, it brings across biomes and brings my moth to 200m||

[pine ginkgo]

Wait Im thinking of a different recipe

||still you probably won’t be able to find enough avolite right now||

[errant cairn]

Fine

Good night

[pine ginkgo]

gn

[worldly valve]

Make sure to rest well

And heal

[solemn storm]

OMG, 50 hours in and I finally found the ||microfibre recipe||. Turns out I had discovered its location really early on (but couldn't access it), and then forgot about it because I didn't have a beacon with me to mark it.

[barren oar]

lol gg

[pine ginkgo]

Its funny because I was looking for the ||ion cube that was outside that cache, and my "main" base was posted right outside the hole. Took me forever to find it.||

[solemn storm]

Okay, how do I collect the immense amount of ||glowing plankton|| that's now surrounding my base? I've made the ||seamoth sampling scoop||, and I can see the special storage for it, but ||driving the seamoth through the clusters, or parking them in the clusters, seems to do nothing, and the scoop storage stays empty||. What am I missing?

[pine ginkgo]

||afaik you just have to deal with it||

||there are supposedly ways to get rid of it but I don't know how yet||

[solemn storm]

Oh no!

[barren oar]

have fun :)

[restive hornet]

hey lads and ladettes, has the mod been updated? i played it a bit ago and I had an issue where ||sunbeam wrecks|| and ||the new stuff in the jellyshroom|| didn't physically exist

[solemn storm]

Is there a way to ||make it less toxic||, so I don't ||die whenever I accidentally fall into the moonpool|| (which happens way more often than I care to admit).

[barren oar]

there is a way to be invulnerable, which you'll unlock in due time

[pine ginkgo]

||not sure, it feels like I have no sunbeam debris spawning, the Jellyshroom seems to be fine though||

[restive hornet]

||i wasn't able to find the added wreck which had the seamoth dm. i found where the scanner room tells me the sunbeam debri is supposed to be, but it's... all empty. I went through in creative, fog off, etc, and wasn't able to find anything swimming through the entire map||

[solemn storm]

This has been my experience as well. The scanner room says it can ||find the debris||, but then ||I swim there and there's nothing but the scanner blip||.

[barren oar]

||there isnt an "added wreck which had the seamoth dm"||

||also yes sunbeam debris is notoriously buggy, really you just have to swim ping to ping until you find a spawn; i do believe there is some form of limit on spawned items too, so it wont spawn until you collect some thats already there (unconfirmed)||

[restive hornet]

||i don't know what's supposed to be there, but allegedly that's where I get the first depth module. my progress was locked because I was not able to get a depth module... anywhere||

[restive hornet]

||there were 0. I stretched 3 scanner rooms on the border, went ping to ping, clipped underneath the terrain, nothing||

[barren oar]

||if you mean you updated and lost the dm, that was intentional and you indeed had no choice but to restart save||

as far as i know

[restive hornet]

first playthrough

I assumed there was nothing when I first explored, got the other important things, dipped

||i suspected there was something off when the depth module on the aurora exploded||

||a scanner room picked up where it was allegedly supposed to be in the jellyshrooms, but like the sunbeam, there was nothing there||

[errant cairn]

uhuh. that works too

[trail ether]

you cannot complete C2C without exploring every biome

[errant cairn]

someone just told me that

and im going out to the dunes now

i just stood still reading my pda in the dunes and a reaper charged right at me and missed

i was near a brain coral

[errant cairn]

||why is this lifepod in the floor||

[pine ginkgo]

Thats intentional

[barren oar]

|| oops, trampled ||

[errant cairn]

XD okay ty

[unreal flame]

hm, actually

reika, you may want to put a bunch of small rocks bordering that wreckage

[errant cairn]

We didn't need ||another stalker. Even a variant.||

but now we have one, and its going to piss me off

[trail ether]

?

[errant cairn]

wreck Reika

[trail ether]

that is not a wreck

and how would rocks add anything to it

[errant cairn]

Idk ask N8

[trail ether]

io did

[unreal flame]

would better sell it being scraps of wreckage partially embedded in the ground

[pine ginkgo]

Ah yea, maybe some indication that it fell into the sand rather than it being flat

Not that its really a pressing issue though

[unreal flame]

Well, it’s an issue of pressing

[errant cairn]

now im kinda annoyed that ||i have to make an entire storage room for plants cause there so damn many||

[unreal flame]

i usually just have a planter dedicated to a given plant, and then some lockers for whatever that plant's product is

[errant cairn]

yeah but i need ||platinum||

[unreal flame]

?

[errant cairn]

what were you referring to?

[unreal flame]

you said you needed a storage room for plants?

[errant cairn]

I made one anyway yeah. Used a ||multipurpose room for it too||

[errant cairn]

How many lockers?

[trail ether]

how is that related

[errant cairn]

It wasn't

I was confused when he sent the message

[errant cairn]

wait im hyper confused how do i get ||seamoth depth mk1||?

wait...can you deconstruct the multipurpose room with stuff still inside of it????

if so i just lost half my plants

[worldly valve]

... yes you can

And

Did yoy ever listen to those pdas

[errant cairn]

||The degasi ones? The ones from the jelly shroom caves yes||

[errant cairn]

Ohhhhhhh fuck, shit, many more curse words I can't send

[trail ether]

normally no but with buildingtweaks you can

[barren oar]

was the hint changed to be inside the pda rather than playing on pickup

[trail ether]

how could i

those are voice acted

[barren oar]

many ways the simplest being just replace the audio with a copy and suffixed by the extra info

[trail ether]

and how would i have a copy of the audio with the VAs saying extra things

[barren oar]

the same way you extract textures from the game? huh

oh extra things

no i did mean just suffix with the pda saying things like it currently does lol

regardless what i wanted to get at is that you don't need to listen to pdas but explore further if you dont have the mk1 module recipe yet

[trail ether]

oh like another log does

remind me of that idea in a few days

when i might be able to think about iot

[barren oar]

sure

[errant cairn]

Well I don't have building tweaks, and I just did

[pine ginkgo]

Something for a later fix. ||You can plant amoeboid samples as creepvine||.

[errant cairn]

fuck all ||i cant find the last 2 purple tablets i need||

[errant cairn]

Where else did Reika hide ||purple tablet fragments? I got the one on the floating island||

[fiery fiber]

Think vanilla. There are places where you can find purple tablets in vanilla that are utilized foe the frags

X za a

[errant cairn]

Yeah I remember only 5 and 4 of those are on the ||QEP island||

[fiery fiber]

Maybe take a bath? Running around a mountain can get you awfully sweaty 😋

[errant cairn]

Got that one too...I searched the entire island like 3 times and ||never found another after 15/17||

I even looked at the wiki I've been to every place that is currently accessible to me and I don't have it

||Is there more than one fragment on the floating island?||

[fiery fiber]

Nope ... they're all in the maze. Just gotta scrub it with fine tooth comb. It's one of the things I dread whenever I do a new save. Make like 5 light sticks or so and place them in junctions you've already checked. That helps

[errant cairn]

found one ||outside of the caves and tunnels 😭||

nvm it ||was a red tablet||

[errant cairn]

||Found one of two needed||

[errant cairn]

can confirm...||i've searched the entire QEP island and haven't found the last fragment||

[solemn storm]

I found them all (or enough; you need them all on hard mode). Unfortunately I didn't keep a log of their locations. ||Certainly most in the QEP caves; some were in little nooks, at least one or two were outside on ledges the tunnels took you to. Having my torch off helped sometimes, because you could see the glow.|| It did take for ages for me to find them, though.

[errant cairn]

I've searched all of them though 😭

[flint aspen]

Maybe try looking in the ||azurite battery cave||. Im not quite sure but i think there were also fragments in there.

[errant cairn]

I did 😭

[flint aspen]

damn :/

[barren oar]

maybe you just havent gone deep enough...?

[flint aspen]

The pathfinder tool could also help but otherwise its difficult to tell which ones are missing... I know that the two last ones for me were so obvious that i missed them till the end... (lying just before and around the entrance of qep) 😅

[barren oar]

you'd be surprised where they can end up

[errant cairn]

define deep enough, and no not the way many think of

[flint aspen]

mk1 depth should be enough for all of them though shouldnt it? at least it was for me

[errant cairn]

I don't think so I heard of a cheaper strat with flares and light sticks

[flint aspen]

works just as well

[errant cairn]

wait...what the actual fuck also I don't even need a mk1 with an ||azurite super seaglide||

and ||two ultra high tanks||

[flint aspen]

yes it should also be possible without mk1 i think

[flint aspen]

that should definitely be enough

didnt even do that

[errant cairn]

true

but i need to dive to around 300m?

I have a rebreather

[flint aspen]

i dont know how deep the ||azurite battery cave|| is but that was the deepest point i had to go

not playing on hard though

[errant cairn]

oh. im not either ||+ already searched the entire cave for the broken one at least|| also spoiler that

[flint aspen]

they arent scannable are they?

[errant cairn]

what are you refering to?

[flint aspen]

the fragments

[barren oar]

i dont remember how far down exactly but im fairly certain there's one more after

[errant cairn]

||the azurite fragments?|| no you have to pick them up

[flint aspen]

ahh could be|| in front of the cave entrance|| maybe

[errant cairn]

so is there ||an azurite battery cave below 200m?||

[flint aspen]

i meant scannable with the scanner room but i dont think they are

[flint aspen]

no

there is just the one

[errant cairn]

okay

[errant cairn]

found that one if so

[errant cairn]

||the purple tablets i think are cause i found them once on the scanner room in vanilla or some other build||

either way i cant afford a scanner room unless i go back to my base

[flint aspen]

you should find everything required for it on the island and around but its a hassle

scanner rooms are goated in the mod though

you should always have the materials to build one with you and it it will help you ALOT along the way

[errant cairn]

i already found one on the ||floating island|| so it should be easier but i still cant find shit

theres not one at the very top is there?

[flint aspen]

the best way is to just build scanner outposts in every biom even if its not convenient at the time. they will help you later down the line!

[flint aspen]

could be. cant you already build it?

[errant cairn]

build what?

[errant cairn]

bet ill go get it

[flint aspen]

the scanner room

[errant cairn]

ill go get it

[flint aspen]

i bet you it will make your life much easier 😄

[pine ginkgo]

If you got the one ||on the floating island, then all the rest are on the mountain island||

I remember my last one was ||in a random cave on the side of the mountain, closer to the QEP, not the azurite battery cave||

[trail ether]

that one trips up a lot of people

even though that cave is actually more readily visible from the ouside

[errant cairn]

scanner room wont scan for it

[pine ginkgo]

It took more forever the find the last one

Yes I don’t think scanner room worked for me either

[errant cairn]

okay I think I know which cave Reika is refering to but I thought I already went through it

[pine ginkgo]

Is it the one with the azurite battery

Cause its not that one

[errant cairn]

no

[errant cairn]

are you refering to ||the one with an entrance near one of the floating portals/precursor boxes||?

[pine ginkgo]

||I have a feeling its one in the above water caves, I think 13 or so are in there, and there are small paths you can miss. I must have gone through there like 15 times.||

[pine ginkgo]

Yea

[errant cairn]

yeah i just went through it my last one is not there

[pine ginkgo]

Well have you gotten one around there?

||theres only one outside of the azurite battery cave thats underwater||

As far as I remember

[errant cairn]

||i got the two outside the 2 in the very entrance to the mazes the one on the floating island and the one below waters around the azurite cave and i actually think there were two in that opening||

[errant cairn]

collected that one

[pine ginkgo]

Ok then its likely in the above water caves

Or at least, it can’t be anywhere else iirc

[errant cairn]

||i think there was one at the entrance? i dont remember if i collected it but its not there||

[pine ginkgo]

Here let me take a ss of where it is usually

I gotta get on so one sec

[errant cairn]

ok yeah it takes a few minutes to load take your time

[pine ginkgo]

That one had me like pulling my hair out 😭

[errant cairn]

yeah

[pine ginkgo]

I had 16 pretty quickly

then I was searching for like 3 hours

[errant cairn]

feels like it

[pine ginkgo]

I set up scanner rooms near every degasi base/island to make sure I didn't miss anything

[errant cairn]

i have 16 right now im missing two technically cause i got the one ||on the floating island||

[errant cairn]

i cant afford that right now but i can afford that Soon™️

[pine ginkgo]

no the floating island is part of what you need

[errant cairn]

oh weird

[pine ginkgo]

I don't tihnk scanner rooms ||pick up the tablet fragments||

[errant cairn]

they dont iirc but they do have ||"Unidentified Object"||

[pine ginkgo]

I don't think it was working for me when I tried

||not sure exactly which one but its inside one of the caves on these ledges outside the QEP||

[errant cairn]

found that one cause its not there

[pine ginkgo]

I wonder if Reika has any sort of randomizing to them

[errant cairn]

||here right? ||

[pine ginkgo]

Yes, one of those caves

Although there are some others around the island I think

If there is any degree of randomness to it then it could be somewhere that I don’t know

[errant cairn]

remember finding that one

but ive found several ||red tablets||

[pine ginkgo]

Ok what about the inside of the cave that goes underwater to where the azurite battery is

There are two in there

Theres one in the far back

[errant cairn]

the underwater ones??

cause i found the two at the ||entrance inside the island caves||

so my second one is prolly there

also no it isnt random cause i found the same ones

in my omega cursed save

[pine ginkgo]

not the entrance to the snaking caves ||this one||

there are ||two above water in there||

[errant cairn]

got those

[pine ginkgo]

gotcha

then its probably on some obscure path in the snaking ones

are you ||trying to get into a specific cache or the QEP?||

[errant cairn]

||QEP||

[solemn storm]

yearns to find the final bioprocessor fragment.

[errant cairn]

lmao i already found the bioprocessor

honestly just search wrecks in places where they spawn

[pine ginkgo]

There are many more than what you need around the map ||(unless you have some sort of config option on)||

[errant cairn]

oh and apparently they're also on the other side of the map to where I currently am ||QEP||

[solemn storm]

More wrecks! Time to continue the hunt.

[errant cairn]

Bring a moth!

[pine ginkgo]

pjf don't read this ||I actually found mine in the crash zone mesas||

[errant cairn]

interesting ||I found the crash zone mesas after getting the bioprocessor cause i broke my moth and was looking for a powercell|| oh yeah pjf is not allowed to read this

[fiery fiber]

Ya there's more than one cave system under the water. Look carefully. Also a couple are under the leaves of plants that makes em hard to see. Also ... at ground d level there's another 'cave' with a pool that leads down into one o the underwater caves. But check maze and try running your path backwards cuz stuff sometimes blocks the view of the frags. Also ... has map mod been blocked? It doesn't show stuff on it anymore.

[barren oar]

pjf racism

the mountains are really cool theres a random plant in there that ive seen nowhere else and that is purely decorative as far as im aware

for some reason it changes from yellow to pink when you grow it

nozzlevine or so

[errant cairn]

To answer your question, no. and in response ill just use my prop cannon

[flint aspen]

my map works just fine

[fiery fiber]

Mine won't show wrecks and thermals anymore

Perhaps I should check map settings maybe. I'll have to check later

[solemn storm]

Thanks for the hints and/or messages for everyone else! I'm glad to know there are plenty of fragments, I'm just missing my last one.

[fiery fiber]

I've done it three times so far. Hurts just as bad each time. As well as the ||bacterial and ash||... ugh. The first time I loved it ... but on repeat it gets somewhat tedious

[errant cairn]

where would the ones hidden behind things be? i dont wanna burn so mouch battery removing every rock

[pine ginkgo]

no

[errant cairn]

no?

[pine ginkgo]

you shouldnt have to move anything

[errant cairn]

but if something is hidden i want to use my prop cannon to see it

or repulsion cannon

[flint aspen]

its sometimes hidden between plants but you dont have to move anything

[errant cairn]

im going to use my prop cannon to move every plant

[pine ginkgo]

I think theres more that are on ledges that the cave leads out to rather than ones that are actually in the cave

[errant cairn]

finally found it on a path i couldnt see

but how does one get ||ion cube|| without getting into the ||QEP||?

[flint aspen]

there is one hidden

[errant cairn]

on the island? very helpful

[pine ginkgo]

nope\

good luck

one ion cube on the whole map

[errant cairn]

awesome. i love doing a map search for something which i know how to glitch into

ill go back to it soon™️

[pine ginkgo]

I found it just by chance when exploring

It also just happened to be right next to my main base

just scanner room with max range upgrades :)

Ill be real I don't think I've been seabasing as much as I should. I really only have my ||main base, one near the underwater islands, and one in the jellyshroom caves. I may build one near the northern lost river entrance though since I think that may be where calcite is.||

[flint aspen]

youre on the right track 😉

[pine ginkgo]

I've been everywhere but the ||lr|| so I assumed I was haha

I just ||got liquid breathing||

[errant cairn]

i think ill just be lazy and plop scanner rooms everywhere and call it a day for bases

[pine ginkgo]

I may just spend a day doing that

but I feel like I've "completed" a lot of the areas above 400m

[flint aspen]

you may still need a certain ||alleviation|| though... 😅

[pine ginkgo]

Ye I ||tried to go into the lr and immediately realized that. I had gotten the peepers beforehand though so I know what I need to make.||

Im doing that right now

[flint aspen]

Ahh so you read the description. I didnt... 🤣

[errant cairn]

wait i just died after saving cause i ate something poisonous am i soft locked

[pine ginkgo]

No

I think reloading clears negative effects

I accidentally did that after I ate a deepshroom

[errant cairn]

I accidentally ate a plant seed I needed (it was quite common so I'm not worried about getting again) and hit save cause I was like "well I wanna save these other seeds" and died

[pine ginkgo]

||Does falling debris float or sink? I swear every time I run after it I cannot find it on the surface.||

[barren oar]

||floats; its very small, dark in color and disappears after half a minute or so||

er. 1.5 minutes*

||really just give up reaching it if you don't own an azurite seaglide and were ready to go the moment you hear the falling sound||

[errant cairn]

Reika hates this strat and I don't blame her. I just play this mod how I want to. ||warpforward 1000 in console in the direction of the falling thing or if closer yeah use the azurite seaglide you'll get there in seconds||

[fiery fiber]

It took me literally months to get my first one. Now I always get them. Feels like a troll lol! It floats near the surface. Small brick size. A hint if it falls near you you'll hear a big splash

Also ... you need to really explore all beginning areas. Do all the pda bullet points for each area. You'll be able to get everybody you need l like the in cube. Remember that reika likes to use all the cool nooks that the devs created but never really utilized

[worldly valve]

Careful of the dunes pda is has a small buuuuuug

(But it cost me a few hours)

[pine ginkgo]

||is mining the meteor part of completing the dunes?||

||I feel like Ive done everything I can but that||

[worldly valve]

oh

you hoit the bug i think

move on

once you find something the dunes log will clear up

its silly

[worldly valve]

Yeag stop exploring there fie that last tick..its bugged a bit

[solemn storm]

I just built the ||geyser particulate filter||. The PDA entry says that it needs a power source, but it seems to be running fine ||(and producing volcanic particulates)|| without one. Is this a bug, or is my base "close enough" that it works?

[worldly valve]

Its fine dont worry about it

[trail ether]

what?

[trail ether]

probably the latter

[worldly valve]

Dunes pda wont fully uodate until a trigger in

||glass forest||

[trail ether]

I fixed that

in one of the recent updates

I swapped the two entries, like the databoxes were

[worldly valve]

Ah

[woven helm]

@trail ether hi and sorry for the ping but is sea to sea gonna be updated to 2.0 cause if so i am gonna be very happy

[unreal flame]

eventually

[worldly valve]

Maybe

[pine ginkgo]

||Is this intended for scans of sunbeam debris?||

There's like 50 with not a single thing there

[silk pond]

idk sunbeam debris can be strange

they always spawn for me but sometimes only metal salvage and ||avolite ||spawn

[pine ginkgo]

Well Im still finding ||avolite|| so its not a huge problem

[pine ginkgo]

Im still looking for something to rid of the poison from the LR. I have the recipe for the ||reinforced suit, so Im assuming Im looking for the electromechanical suit. I’ve explored everywhere completely except for both blood kelps, the bulb zone, and the crash zone (I don’t know if the aurora counts as part of the crash zone).||

[karmic drum]

I'm thinking of trying this mod myself. Is it worth rolling back and learning the old modding methods? I've only ever used the living large update

[unreal flame]

I’d say sea to sea is worth the time

[pine ginkgo]

Might just be my own experience, but its a lot grander than I initially thought

I thought maybe 20-30 hours playtime when I first started

[karmic drum]

I'm probably gonna through with it. I'm looking for a longer and more interactive playthrough that grindy recipe mods simply can't provide

Doesn't matter how many resoures it takes to craft something once you have a submersible and the ability to make scaning bases

[pine ginkgo]

Well yea then its probably what you’re looking for

There are definitely some points in c2c where there is some grindy crafting

[karmic drum]

My adhd gets bored when I stop having to claw my way towards a goal

[pine ginkgo]

But a lot of it is finding things

[karmic drum]

Exploring is the best part of this game

[pine ginkgo]

And thats valid, although I think c2c goes beyond exploring

More like inspecting every grain of sand for a clue about the next step in progression

[karmic drum]

https://tenor.com/view/bigger-and-better-the-bigger-the-better-bigger-better-william-zabka-gif-13996973

[karmic drum]

I do need to work on dusting off my critical thinking cap 😂

[unreal flame]

in a lot of ways, sea to sea is a puzzle game

[karmic drum]

I mean subnautica honestly feels like it should be more of a puzzle than it is. Like the story is phenomenal. But it doesn't feel like it lives up to everything it could have been.

[karmic drum]

Granted

I haven't seen any modders capable of writing a betted story

I imagine c2c just pads out your experience enough to really make you feel the gravitas at the end

[flint aspen]

Of course the last damned ||hull repair nanite fragment|| is outside of a vent... I wonder how many people ever found all of those 😅

Some/most of them are evil (very well hidden) xD

[worldly valve]

I didnt

Frag scanning can help i think but they are a hard find

[flint aspen]

Ohh i didnt know they could be scanned for... that would have made things a little bit easier 😅 though building a scanner room for every larger wreck would be almost as much work if not more as searching them manually xD

[karmic drum]

Sucessfully got SeatoSea installed. Took a couple of tries 😅

Time for pain

[flint aspen]

Good luck!!

[karmic drum]

Already liking what I see though. The chemistry and resource compacting are really neat. So is having something like an electric air pump actually use an electric motor

[karmic drum]

Thanks. I just got my fins, high capacity tank, and my pod fixed up.

[worldly valve]

Noice

[karmic drum]

Not sure what to do in the immediate now. Probably get my rebreatber and then scan literally everything while waiting for distress signals

Probably a small grind to the seaglide. So I wanna conserve my oxygen effiency where I can

[flint aspen]

Read all PDAs and biom descriptions 😉

It will help alot

[karmic drum]

Yes. I have learned from reading. To read everything

The mod makes it very clear that you ain't leaving without 100% the game

And I am here for it

I'd rather have a save take longer cause it's asking me to do more content and interact with more systems. Then because someone's CC3 settings makes every recipe in the game take 30m to 1hr to put together 🤣 🤣 🤣

I also don't like some of death runs mechanics so.... c2c it is

[errant cairn]

Fair and valid. I'm early-mid game in my first (technically 2nd, first save was corrupted) and its a great experience

[flint aspen]

saving is a good keyword though! Although it becomes relevant much later in the game saving and leaving far away from wrecks and large bases will save you from alot of loading crashes 😅

[karmic drum]

It's mostly the decompression and hyper agressive creatures. Which can both be tweaked/disabled. But, If you have to mod your mod to have fun with it.... what are you really doing at that point?

[karmic drum]

😂

I thought something was up when the game reminded me I hadn't saved in 20mins

[errant cairn]

Real. I find Sea Voyager + this mod a good combo. Reika is nerfing the Sea Voyager next update so I feel its more balanced after whenever the next update releases

[trail ether]

from the sounds of it you will like C2C

[karmic drum]

very much so

[karmic drum]

Yes. Very much enjoying it so far.

||Almost killed myself learning how to make Chlorine ||

[woven helm]

now Egek said to me that Reika said that she will update sea to sea to 2.0 and when it's gonna be released for 2.0 i am gonna be so hyped up

[karmic drum]

I would be quite happy to see that

For now I'm gonna enjoy my legacy run

[trail ether]

who the hell is egek

[woven helm]

oh you don't know him

well i met him in ''SteveKong's jungle'' server

[woven helm]

Reika just a lil question, how is the process of the 2.0 ver?

[trail ether]

then why is he an authority on the matter

[barren oar]

was the plan not to wait for nautilus' stable release first?

[trail ether]

yes

but apparently random people on the internet, who have never interacted with me, are a better source for my plans than me

[woven helm]

he told me that

and by that i mean he told me you said you were gonna update sea to sea to 2.0

[unreal flame]

one of our staff? they've talked in here at least a few times.

[pallid schooner]

Its me >:3

[pallid schooner]

I just said it because of you said it like this, sorry for confusion

[karmic drum]

I apologize mam. I had my suspicions on the validity that user. And now that my suspicions have been confirmed.... I will not be taking any information from them

Seriously though

The mod is Phenomenal

Can't wait to see where it goes

[errant cairn]

@trail ether ||you made the phytoplankton based off of blood oil didnt you||

||i just planted it||

[barren oar]

lol

[errant cairn]

||does phytoplankton even grow on that if its planted???||

[barren oar]

||i dont know?||

||this most certainly isnt a method to cultivate them though||

[errant cairn]

k ty

||ima find out if it works or not though then report it to reika for a second time||

||wait are you supposed to keep one phytoplankton sample?????||

[barren oar]

for?

[errant cairn]

||to get more of em||

[barren oar]

||i dont remember there being any sort of cyclic recipe for them to warrant that, myself||

[errant cairn]

||why did a reaper attack me in the grassy plateaus??? granted i was near the back of the aurora but still there were 2 biomes in between me and any reaper||

[trail ether]

so they have, but apparently never with me

and only in the last month or so

[trail ether]

I mean you do see how it looked - some random was naming some other person I had never interacted with as an authority on my plans, and worse made it sound like they were different from what I know them to be

[trail ether]

the sprite yes, I do not remember what the item is templated off of

I remember blood oil being one of the ones I tried

oh

if you can plant it then yes

[errant cairn]

||am i supposed to have microfilters by now???||

[karmic drum]

It reminds me of the early release of no mans sky. And I hate that 😭

So yea

[errant cairn]

oh XD

[karmic drum]

Only listening to creators

[trail ether]

there https://i.imgur.com/WzTpb3O.png

that should help

[barren oar]

there is exactly one instance of you two communicating lol

[errant cairn]

perfect

[errant cairn]

||my question still stands||

[trail ether]

there is no real "by now" except in cases where it seems you skipped something

also I do not even know exactly where you are progression-wise

wait hold on

how did you GET plankton without microfilters

the scoop uses them in crafting

[errant cairn]

just unlocked that

[trail ether]

but you already have plankton

[errant cairn]

||crash zone base||

[trail ether]

or is that a test world

[pallid schooner]

Is it just me or did you typed nothing

[trail ether]

oh

ok

maybe i need to remove that

[barren oar]

ya

[trail ether]

it predates microfilter existing

[barren oar]

** **

[errant cairn]

oh XD

[trail ether]

though honestly four plankton is NOT going to enable much

[errant cairn]

it was like 5 or 6

[trail ether]

still going to remove it to be safe

[errant cairn]

i dont remember the exact count cause i used them all

[barren oar]

microfilters are pretty early iirc either way

[trail ether]

my worldgen data says 5

      <tech>SmallLocker</tech>
      <inventory>
        <item>
          <type>planktonItem</type>
          <amount>5</amount>
        </item>
        <item>
          <type>CuredHolefish</type>
          <amount>4</amount>
        </item>
        <item>
          <type>CurativeBandage</type>
          <amount>2</amount>
        </item>
        <item>
          <type>Battery</type>
          <amount>1</amount>
        </item>
        <item>
          <type>ReactorRod</type>
          <amount>1</amount>
        </item>
        <item>
          <type>TraceMetals</type>
          <amount>4</amount>
        </item>
      </inventory>```

[errant cairn]

where are they then? is there a hint in the pda?

[trail ether]

no

but it is not totally unindicated either

[barren oar]

gotta explore and find my guy

[trail ether]

well sort of actually

[errant cairn]

what do i need to find it using a scanner room in a biome i probably have been to but never looked?

[errant cairn]

very helpful

[trail ether]

that has been one of the most effective exploration aids in the entire mod

I replaced the 5 plankton with 5 big water

that is actually more useful

even for the same intended use case as the plankton

veteran C2C players will know why

speaking of which

have you found the Sanctuary yet

[errant cairn]

||the only places that doesnt have that is dunes arch, eatern grassy plateaus, island degasi wrecks, lifepod 9, mushroom tree, nothern kelp forest, and underwater degasi base. acounting for about 1/3 of all of those in my pda||

[errant cairn]

like the one from bz just ported? no

[trail ether]

what?

"one from BZ"???

[errant cairn]

theres a precursor sanctuary in Below Zero where i think you meet Al-an

[trail ether]

you are using "sanctuary" to mean something very different

but i suppose that means the answer to my question is clearly no

[errant cairn]

yup

think i unlocked what you were referring to ||in the grassy plateaus||

yup found it

[karmic drum]

This feature is actually really nice to me. Knowing that I'm not done in a biome. But having no clue where anything is. Is a way smater method then most would give credit for

[barren oar]

scanner rooms are generally very helpful

[errant cairn]

i know

[barren oar]

i found them accidentally using it lol

wanted to explore [biome i was in at the time] but it happened to find it instead

[errant cairn]

i found it cause someone told me to look there

[barren oar]

oh oops didnt backread

gg

[errant cairn]

not sure if i should have this or not...XD

[barren oar]

currently just does nothing

[errant cairn]

k

[barren oar]

not much reason to get it nor to trash out lol

[trail ether]

it is not fully implemnted

[barren oar]

ye

[merry gorge]

Is c2c ported to 2.0?

[pallid schooner]

It isn't

[merry gorge]

i knew it

[worldly valve]

you will eventually need the filters yes

so sad

i would argue they should be kept

it is a very small amount, only gives a taste of bio

its nice on repeat playthroughs

[errant cairn]

wait ||was I supposed to scan the mk 1 depth before it blew up???||

[worldly valve]

no

you listening to the maida voice log abouit making a seamot yeah?

if you did there was a voice prompt about ||looking deeper in the cave||

[errant cairn]

K will do once i get back on

[barren oar]

lol myself i had no idea that even existed until late into my playthrough and the scanner room happened to pick up by coincidence

same deal with the secluded pda on the floating island but thats probably a more common occurence

[trail ether]

stop telling him exactly where to look

[errant cairn]

he thinks i did. and i'm not sure if i have, i wanna swear i did

cause i listened to every single ||jellyshroom caves|| one

granted i didnt pay attention or read them, but i really should anyway. i just never have in my first playthrough

[pine ginkgo]

the exploration findings mention it I think

[trail ether]

https://i.imgur.com/iGo0ZWm.png https://i.imgur.com/6BpoMhs.jpeg

my patches to it finally work

so I felt that it was time for a rebrand

[errant cairn]

Actually. W

I'd love if you reworked the textures as well (I worked on the 2.0 port with Lee and he hated the textures and I hated the spaghetti code)

[trail ether]

the textures are a mess

the resolutions are all over the place

[errant cairn]

Thats an understatement

[trail ether]

hence why mine is blurry

but I am not going to waste my time on it

[errant cairn]

mine's blurry cause i dont want my stuff dying every time i run the game

they don't i just think that lowering the load on them makes them have a longer lifespan

[trail ether]

also https://i.imgur.com/h3se9Vq.jpeg

[errant cairn]

i burned my RX...

[trail ether]

not a change in progression really but a lot more fitting balance-wise

[errant cairn]

wrong one

[errant cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/fnaf-five-nights-at-freddy's-gif-4059222196466761933

the sea voyager does not need 2 plasteel ingots 💀

[trail ether]

the cyclops uses six

[pine ginkgo]

plasteel is a good idea

[trail ether]

the sea voyager is bigger

[pine ginkgo]

you'll need the ||filter||

[errant cairn]

any way i wore down my RX 470s running Satisfactory all the time

[errant cairn]

you just removed building, a huge part of the Sea Voyager's advantage 😭

it doesn't let me passively explore, i barely use it at all anymore cause of how far i got just by knowing where stuff was in my cursed save

i plan to only use it for dangerous places like the mountains

Motors make sense

It does have a lot of health (I may have added a few 0s in the port)

It needs more glass (No 3 isn't enough)

I'd argue it make sense for a Camera Drone (like from the scanner room)

[trail ether]

it has no health at all

it does not have a LiveMixin

it is invincible

[errant cairn]

what did you make it invincible? It takes damage for me and I haven't updated

[trail ether]

no it literally has no LiveMixin

[errant cairn]

Advanced Wiring kits don't make sense, use Power Transmitter recipe instead (granted, it has an op solar panel. Add copper wire, wiring kit, a ||Quartz ingot|| (i forgot what its called), and a Titanium ingot or two)

[trail ether]

no

[errant cairn]

actually thats fair i'd be lazy there as well and just shove Advanced Wiring Kits too

Genuinly, Why plasteel?

[pine ginkgo]

Because it requires something C2C related

if it was just titanium itd be dummy easy

[errant cairn]

Weird considering it takes damage from Leviathans and bone sharks + impacts from vehicles like the Seamoth. Wouldn't be surprised if it used some other system.

[errant cairn]

it already takes Electric Motors 😭

5 is fair cause of how fast it is

literally faster than an ||azurite Seaglide||

[errant cairn]

Had 2500 health according to the 2.0 port

it now has 2.5x10^7 health in the 2.0 port

[errant cairn]

honestly should take more

[pine ginkgo]

Reika, how would you feel about a better wiki/page for the mod. Moreso designed for as a progression guide with spoilers/hints rather than an outright "wiki". I suppose it kinda ruins it though. I just feel like I need to do something for the mod haha

[errant cairn]

There already is one

[pine ginkgo]

tbf if there were hints people would just abuse them

[pine ginkgo]

the wiki sucks

and Reika's page only covers so much

but like I said it would probably just be abused

[errant cairn]

The wiki I'm referring to sucks. but admittedly I've abused it

[pine ginkgo]

||its a year outdated and a lot has changed/been moved in the last year||

[errant cairn]

Can Confirm

[barren oar]

yeah good documentation by definition would end up fitting under reika's idea of cheating simply because thats how puzzles are i think

[pine ginkgo]

idk Im just itching to make something and C2C has been all I've been playing

[errant cairn]

could have it hidden in the game files/code until you get the puzzle then its shoved somewhere

[barren oar]

i initially took this mod as a sort-of "community effort" type where players are meant to work together and help each other

[trail ether]

I will destroy that if it is made

[pine ginkgo]

😭

[barren oar]

but c2c doesnt really have that type of progression

[errant cairn]

Its already been made

[barren oar]

lol??? what????

you pulling up with a fucking dmca or what

[pine ginkgo]

yea theres a subsection of the subnautica modding wiki

[barren oar]

well more likely probably just modify the progression a tad

[errant cairn]

Link: https://subnauticamodding.wiki.gg/wiki/Biomes_(Sea_To_Sea) no lie

[barren oar]

fairly certain reika has given tips on how to structure the wiki before

or rather very heavy, underlined and bold dos and donts

back when it was still actively maintained lol

[errant cairn]

lol real

she's gonna go ballistic on whoever made it (who's prolly gone from this server by now)

[pine ginkgo]

I do a lot of web related passion projects for games I play but I don't think it realy fits C2C

[trail ether]

oh you think I am done with the nerfs?

granted the next one is very targeted

[errant cairn]

oh fuck i shouldnt have said anything....wtf could you nerf????? the fucking solar panel?

[trail ether]

to break the most cheaty use case

[barren oar]

remove its ability to move 🔥

[trail ether]

which also happens to be the most popular use case

[errant cairn]

yeah totally ruin the whole thing best idea i ever heard

[errant cairn]

don't nerf the dock. just fucking don't. nerf the speed idgaf

[barren oar]

what the hell could be so bad about the dock anyway

doesnt it max out at like 200m

[errant cairn]

holding 2 vehicles

[errant cairn]

yes. max base depth of the moth

[barren oar]

oh yeah it makes the lr kyanite cheese like half a minute faster 💀 game breaking

[errant cairn]

(i havent even watched it) fuck

[barren oar]

oh thats just the physics being shit no? lolol

[trail ether]

if by "being shit" you mean "having a huge and increasing downwards force applied"

[trail ether]

hint: hull plating

[errant cairn]

thats not a bug

[trail ether]

never again

[barren oar]

yeah i mean - what the fuck is that creature that destroys the entire vehicle in one fucking bite

[barren oar]

oh is it

[errant cairn]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh so I have to swim there now with my stasis rifle

[barren oar]

i thought it was a surface-only vehicle

[trail ether]

unrelated, generally

but a nice cleanup mechanism

[barren oar]

oh it looks like a tentacle actually

[errant cairn]

it is

[barren oar]

voidlevi making a comeback?

[errant cairn]

ez

[barren oar]

well i guess it never left either you can still encounter it in the Funny Deep Zone™

er. its energy discharge i guess

[barren oar]

yeah wait whats this about then

[errant cairn]

Oh it definitely can. Esp with all the physics bugs. Even in the 2.0 port, the physics with this thing is fucked

[barren oar]

ah so the submerging was a bug?

[errant cairn]

Thats actually kinda funny. You gave me good and bad idea

[errant cairn]

Not in the video no

[barren oar]

huh

[errant cairn]

That's intentional

Not a single physics bug can make it go below 500m

Except if the water/stablization physics vanishes

[karmic drum]

I have learned the value in saving 😭

I forgot this version of the game runs on software so old that it opperates on the same logic as skyrim

Death = total reload. Or else everything breaks 😭

Fortunately it loads 100× faster than modded skyrim

[barren oar]

its not so much breakage but rather "suicide run" cheese patch

reload is a side effect of it generally not being advised to load more than a save in one instance

for... who knows what reason lol

[karmic drum]

Yea. I'm not privy to the actu code at play. But I'm familiar with it's effects

||will exercise more caution around volcanic vents and droopers in the future 😂||

[barren oar]

lol

[karmic drum]

||fuck ass volcanic remains 🤣||

||finding the drone fragments was cool though. Guessing they're used in construction of the mobile vehicle bay||

[pine ginkgo]

why can I never use ||weak enzyme 42 traces?||

||it keeps telling me its preventing duplicate use||

ah I see

||I can't consume them in water||

[pine ginkgo]

oml I finally found the ||electromechanical suit 😭||

I've "completed" every biome but the LR now (and crash zone)

I thought had had compeletely explored the wreck it was in but I guess not

needed to bring a scanner room with max range upgrades to every biome

||I at the very least was able to fully explore the southern blood kelp trench survivor base though||

[errant cairn]

Reika how do you want my Tools Upgrades nerfed? The full Tools Upgrades mod is well underway now. I can't give any 2.0 release predictions yet cause I don't have them, but once it is out, I'll port it to Legacy

The increase in ability will definitely be way more expensive and way way WAY less

The legacy version will only have the current method of making things work

Battery based. A modular battery you will be able to shove almost ANYTHING in it. Then a battery set based on materials

X battery based on X material will simply do what that X material should do for that tool

Example from this mod: ||Azurite battery. Increases that tool's ability to do things. Based on Azurite||

I can't give much more detail cause I don't know exactly what batteries or materials will do what

but I can after the mod is released

[unreal flame]

if anything, my broad advice would be to make things easy to reconfigure

[karmic drum]

That makes sense. Then rather than having individual devs have to give you customized specs. Which then have to be cycled around the dev loop

They can just change it themselves on demand

[unreal flame]

for instance, I can't see this modular battery being accepted (well partially to begin with) but especially if it's anywhere earlier than ion batteries

[woven helm]

but when 2.0 ver is out you would port it but it doesn't mean that 2.0 ver cannot be downloaded right?

[karmic drum]

I feel... dumber than a box of rocks rn

Well played reika

[woven helm]

tf happened?

[karmic drum]

Can't say. Progression spoiler. Just took me way too long to find something that was hidden in plain sight

[woven helm]

oh so you found a hidden thing?

[errant cairn]

not right now

i just started working on it

[woven helm]

well if 2.0 will not downloadable don't you even dare to make it not downloadable

[errant cairn]

your words aren't wording

[woven helm]

no cuz if i can't download it for 2.0 then i ain't gonna agree

[errant cairn]

"if 2.0 will not be downloadable dont you dare to make it not downloadable" like make it more clear

like im gonna release it for 2.0 eventually it just isnt ready to be downloadable

[woven helm]

no like when you are gonna port it for legacy that's what i mean

[errant cairn]

i have to backport it from 2.0 to legacy once i have the full mod fleshed out and working

[woven helm]

well i am a 2.0 person

[errant cairn]

ok

[errant cairn]

and its released and downloadable

[woven helm]

wait you mean 2.0 downloadable or legacy? cause i know it's for legacy only cuz if you say ''and it's released and downloadble'' like how the hell can you do it in minutes?

i mean port it instead of making it

[errant cairn]

bro what.

[woven helm]

like say it clear

like say the ver legacy or 2.0

[errant cairn]

the 2.0 version has to be fully fleshed out, working, released, and downloadable before i can even begin porting it to legacy

[errant cairn]

i did though

i have to packport it from 2.0 to legacy "once i have the full mod fleshed out and working"
then I added
"and its released and downloadable"

like

how is that unclear

think about what you say before saying it

[woven helm]

oh ok i just thought you switched argument to legacy

tough i feel stupid for thinking you swithced argument

[karmic drum]

Yall think it's worth it to put together a small tube base so I can temp adress storage? Or would it be better to just wait till I get the multi purpose room?

[errant cairn]

Get like a small part going then build off of it. Envision the final base and build a piece of it then make your base around that

I built my base around a moonpool

[karmic drum]

Architecture isn't my strong suit 😅 probably just make the tube base. And then disassemble and redo a proper base in the shallows one I have the proper prints

[errant cairn]

Mine either.

[woven helm]

well i build my base like near the moutain in the bulb zone and i am in creative but i was in survival the first time i played it

and by played it i mean sn

but 1st time i heard the reefback i was like ''tf was that scary sound'' like i got scared cause i didn't even know the reefback

[errant cairn]

I found those areas passive honestly

[woven helm]

and then i got to the aurora and i got curious to see the biome but when i saw the reaper i got on the right down engine and was so anxious and i was waiting for it to leave and after that i used the chance to make a run for it

[karmic drum]

I think I'm starting to see things...

[karmic drum]

||I'm suprised by how cheap the propulsion cannon is||

[trail ether]

update released

had to modify my git uploader script to accomodate the changes in how C2C is stored on github

[fiery fiber]

Reika would it be possible to post your list of mods you use please? I can't seem to find it for some stupid reason

[trail ether]

I posted it a few days ago

[fiery fiber]

Ok looking again!

[trail ether]

^

[fiery fiber]

Awesome thx!

[karmic drum]

oh wow... I'm missing a lot... glad you highlighted this xD

on an unrelated note. I think I have more stalker teeth then I'll ever need xD

[barren oar]

oh i see (looked at the source) so the sinking is a c2c addition and thats why you gave that hint, that makes sense

i thought the voyager had a builtin way to descend despite it being a surface-only vehicle, as the description puts it

[barren oar]

you'd be surprised

thankfully teeth are piss-easy to get in c2c

once you have a proper base set up

[karmic drum]

oh yea. scanner rooms make it trivial. I just shocked to find all of those in one spot

[barren oar]

not even with scanner room lol but yeah you really miss a lot unexpectedly without it

[karmic drum]

speaking of bases. I have at minimum a multi-room with a fab and a few lockers up. that feels good

need to get the rest of my moon pool fragments. but that's for tomorrow

[barren oar]

there is a mechanic that allows farming them easier, though i wont say too much in fear of accidentally giving it away

[karmic drum]

I'll figure it out in due time

[barren oar]

it would definitely keep you stocked for the rest of the run though

[fiery fiber]

im getting an error saying sea to sea could not be loaded after update

[barren oar]

check logs?

[fiery fiber]

what should i look for?

kinda dont know what im doing with that

[barren oar]

could post it here

i have a vague suspicion it might be an accidental sea voyager dependency, but im unsure of course

well it shouldnt be, as far as i can tell

[fiery fiber]

i dont use sea voyager i'm avoiding that entirely

Is this possibly it? It's look error -ish 😋

[barren oar]

seems it cant load reefbalance

[fiery fiber]

ok I'll re download that and re install it

[barren oar]

interestingly, there seem to have been no updates to it though

[fiery fiber]

doh! it was missing from qmod file. How the heck did that get deleted?

i'm trying again with reef re installed

[barren oar]

lol

[fiery fiber]

Ok still getting message ...

[barren oar]

maybe check the other mods if they got deleted somehow too lol

might be that reefbalance was just the first one it found to not exist (because its the first one that gets called)

[fiery fiber]

ok will do

[barren oar]

auroresource is, in fact, non-existent

[fiery fiber]

grrr

how the heck did this happen?

[barren oar]

who the hell knows lol

[fiery fiber]

sheesh I also had excansion missing ... thank you for being a rockin' helper! 🙂

gah! still not working

[QModManager:ERROR] Invoking the specified entry method "Load" failed for mod "ReikaKalseki.SeaToSea"
[QModManager:ERROR] System.Reflection.TargetInvocationException: Exception has been thrown by the target of an invocation. ---> System.MissingMethodException: Story.StoryGoal ReikaKalseki.DIAlterra.SNUtil.addVOLine(string,Story.GoalType,string,FMODAsset)
at (wrapper managed-to-native) System.Reflection.MonoMethod.InternalInvoke(System.Reflection.MonoMethod,object,object[],System.Exception&)
at System.Reflection.MonoMethod.Invoke (System.Object obj, System.Reflection.BindingFlags invokeAttr, System.Reflection.Binder binder, System.Object[] parameters, System.Globalization.CultureInfo culture) [0x00032] in <567df3e0919241ba98db88bec4c6696f>:0
--- End of inner exception stack trace ---
at System.Reflection.MonoMethod.Invoke (System.Object obj, System.Reflection.BindingFlags invokeAttr, System.Reflection.Binder binder, System.Object[] parameters, System.Globalization.CultureInfo culture) [0x00048] in <567df3e0919241ba98db88bec4c6696f>:0
at System.Reflection.MethodBase.Invoke (System.Object obj, System.Object[] parameters) [0x00000] in <567df3e0919241ba98db88bec4c6696f>:0
at QModManager.Patching.QModPatchMethod.TryInvoke () [0x00034] in <17412a3abc4a4e4196c5a94d73183573>:0
EXSCANSION: Ran mod register, started harmony

[barren oar]

huh

is dragon industries also missing perchance

[fiery fiber]

i reloaded all dependencies in

i DID load some new mods from reiaka's list tho .. i bet one of them is screwing things up somewhere

[barren oar]

interestingly, this SNUtil.addVOLine(string, ...) that the exception says is calling isn't actually being called

at least, judging by the public source

[fiery fiber]

ok .. dunno what that means .. but it sounds scary 🙂

[barren oar]

you're trying to call a friend on the phone but they recently changed their number so you can't reach them

[fiery fiber]

ahhhh

well hopefully reika sees this and can point me in the right direction. Guess I'll go get some sleep

but thanks for the help ... some of it surely helped

[barren oar]

given the error changed yeah im sure they did

its interesting how this seems to be a dead end though

[barren oar]

oh well im clueless @trail ether hi do you have a clue perhaps ^

both source and decompiled mod suggest it shouldnt be trying to call any 4 parameter method at all

also lol theres a stat dump in the latest release which i can only assume is from your playthrough

seems its a testing save

[pine ginkgo]

Is it intended that I ||build multiple small bases in the lost river? I’m having to take trips myself since my moth can only go 500m and I need calcite for MK3.||

[woven helm]

@errant cairn Sorry for ping but sorry for earlier if i was mean/rude and if i was being a pain in the ass

[barren oar]

lol why would it not be

also you'll soon find another use for them

potentially two, depending on how you play

[woven helm]

but ping me when sea to sea 2.0 is fleshed out

[errant cairn]

wait where is ||phytoplankton|| supposed to spawn? I got it ||in the sparse reef|| and forgot to get out of my moth and scan it

[karmic drum]

Don't have the laser cutter yet. But I think I'm gonna see how much of the aurora I can explore with the tools at my disposal

[errant cairn]

my guy, you don't need a laser cutter to fully explore the aurora to the best of your ability. trust me

[karmic drum]

Yea. Iirk the rooms blocked off by the cutter are non essential

[errant cairn]

XD not just that

[karmic drum]

I'm really just looking to seal off the drive core.

[karmic drum]

Shhhhh

[errant cairn]

caps lock

[karmic drum]

I'll see for myself

🤣

[errant cairn]

you dont wanna see for your self

just dont go there until later ™

[karmic drum]

I'm also missing one degasi log on the floating island... sweeped all the bases clean

[errant cairn]

i remember one hidden on there

[karmic drum]

Yea. The last one I'm missing definitely isn't at any of the bases. But somewhere else on the island

[errant cairn]

yea

[karmic drum]

I mean before I do anything. I'm gonna finish getting my moon pool setup, expland my base a bit, and maybe figure out what the heck a decoration rating is

[errant cairn]

theres worse

in the aurora

theres way worse than the areas without the cutter

[karmic drum]

I'll do my best to take your word for it

But my mental disorder curiosity might make me regret it later

[errant cairn]

:D

[barren oar]

in several places lol i dont think it tells you outright(?)

really just remember where you see them for later

[errant cairn]

yeah but i need it scanned

[barren oar]

Have Fun! :)

[worldly valve]

You can still explore it

[trail ether]

this would be a good analogy for an inter-DLL (/inter-jar) error caused by compile-version mismatches, ie NoSuchMethodError or its C# equivalent MissingMethodException

[barren oar]

yeah which is about what's happening there

except in two different assemblies instead of the same

[trail ether]

I have had that a couple times but I did not change anything in DI that should have affected them

[barren oar]

yeah its weird since c2c never calls the vo method with 4 parameters

the only call (in Load() ) is 3 and they're correctly typed

[trail ether]

also C2C did update

so it is in sync with DI

it is the smaller mods that did not update

and this is FAR from the first time DI changed and they did not

[barren oar]

mhm you had to be able to compile it in the first place

[trail ether]

well my release pipeline does not upload new builds for mods whose git diff is zero

and while I did change the pipeline last night, that was mostly to handle the new C2C worldgen segmentation, as well as changing the git commit treewalk for version determination

it did not touch the diff logic, and besides there IS a new C2C upload

@fiery fiber what is the hash of your C2C DLL

mine is SHA256: 4b87b2e2fe69e547ef17f048e3826d49de2a81cf354d3616f7872f149b5c346b

[pine ginkgo]

Its moreso that it feels brute force-y if I keep picking up and moving the same base, unless I make many I suppose

[barren oar]

you were deconstructing them?

[pine ginkgo]

nah, but it would be a lot cheaper I guess

but I probably wouldnt do that

not nearly as reusable and definitely not intended

[barren oar]

you'd just end up hurting yourself later really, i think

[pine ginkgo]

rn I just have one around 650m down by the cache under the southern blood kelp trench where the ||alleviation canister bp is found||

but I can't get very far with just that

[trail ether]

that is never intended

though I had two bases in the LR myself

one in the bones field and one in the cove

[barren oar]

only two?

[trail ether]

not just for air waypoints but also for scanner rooms

[barren oar]

i had like four

[trail ether]

it was plenty

[barren oar]

how tf were you getting vehicles through

[trail ether]

I could freedive between them in under 90 seconds

[trail ether]

easily

each one had a moonpool

[barren oar]

yeah but theyre slow as hell and definitely dont reach entrance -> ilz with just two outposts

unless you mean ||you didnt use the seamoth at all until you had the insulation module|| which is actually just useless. trucker module on top

[karmic drum]

@trail ether how significant is this last update? I'm considering maybe restarting my save and adding in the rest of your mod setup if enoughs changed

[trail ether]

||https://i.imgur.com/VrzhCkB.jpeg||

[trail ether]

entrance -> bones field -> junction -> cove -> ILZ

I always used the trench-corridor entrance

[barren oar]

is trench the one where the cache is?

the corridor with the weird walls

[trail ether]

corridor is the cascading waterfalls with pyrocoral, from the blood kelp trench

the "weird" (fluted) walls going to the cache and grand reef is ghost canyon

[barren oar]

oh yeah i went through there too

[trail ether]

but I made it through there too

see ||https://i.imgur.com/fWDz2QU.jpeg||

[barren oar]

yeah idk what route you took to allow only two outposts lol

though i did use the trucker module to bring up sulfur because i wasnt risking my life on those, so thats a bit of a factor for sure

[trail ether]

oh yes on the topic of stasis rifle unfreezing static setpieces https://i.imgur.com/ztO7DC5.jpeg

[barren oar]

🎉 great game

[trail ether]

I had to fix its position with the runtime editor

[trail ether]

i specified it above

I always made it with like 15 power to spare

[barren oar]

yeah but more specific the exact pathing bc i was probably not cutting corners when i couldve

oh

yeah i dont think i ever got that low in fear of getting lost

[trail ether]

the far bigger hurdle is your first foray

[barren oar]

oh yeah how you planning to fix this even

[trail ether]

since you need air time to build a powered base

in my easter 2023 playthrough I died in the cove to that

[karmic drum]

Oh yea. Cause of having to rely on the liquid air setup right?

[barren oar]

you generally need air to be able to survive

[karmic drum]

I Imagine the lower you get the faster you burn through your supply

[barren oar]

the lower you get the more pressure is put upon your lungs if you rely on oxygen at that point

but liquid im fairly certain has no such mechanic

[trail ether]

also being trapped in that cove base is the reason I added the emergency warp

[karmic drum]

Well yea. But in normal subnautica it'd be trivial. Bring rebreather, bring base supply. Use sub to refill on air

[barren oar]

or just build oxygen pipe

[karmic drum]

I know in c2c it's way different

[barren oar]

unfortunately, liquid breathing does not recharge in the presence of an oxygen pipe

would have been a great exploit

[trail ether]

also

I had a base in the north blood kelp

[karmic drum]

If you think I'm burning the tit to build a pipe system to the losr river you're tripping. Subnautica doesn't have an uncrafter

[trail ether]

directly above the pit leading to the ghost forest

and i was able ot make that route to cove too

[barren oar]

yeah thats fair pipes stink anyway

jank as hell

[trail ether]

here is me just barely not making it due to a delay https://i.imgur.com/IIlx8WX.jpeg

[karmic drum]

Also. Does c2c give a warning everytime you add a new mod. Or is there a blacklist of mods which have been tested and proven to impeed balance?

[barren oar]

2m left on the clock with reduced breathing 🎉

[trail ether]

and a reattempt https://i.imgur.com/SvtbRqv.jpeg

[barren oar]

did you emergency warp for this one

[barren oar]

blacklist

tells you on startup if you have a mod which doesnt play well with c2c

whether it be technical or balance related

[trail ether]

this was the far larger issue with freediving https://i.imgur.com/Tq8UUJA.jpeg

though the one in the ghost forest never got me

[barren oar]

if its a major issue its an error and doesnt let you play, if its minor then it lets you off with a warning

[trail ether]

chased me maybe once or twice

[barren oar]

leviathans kinda just suck in this game

[karmic drum]

I love the emergency warp system. But I haven't used it yet. Been in a few tricky spots. But figured the pod probably didn't count as a wind tunnel

[pine ginkgo]

oh wow the ||big alleviation tank is significantly better 😭 ||

[trail ether]

example mid-ghost-forest path https://i.imgur.com/wnuPuun.jpeg

[karmic drum]

||wind tunnels and the volcanic vent in the shallows had me fucked up 😂||

[karmic drum]

That's amazing

[barren oar]

YEAH its awesome

[karmic drum]

Really speaks to the quality of the mod and it's amazing dev

[pine ginkgo]

having to make the ||weak enzyme traces fpr each trip was such a pain||

[barren oar]

yep lol

i struggled a bit with that

thinking the ||allevation canister|| was in the ||disease research facility||

turns out i got scammed of like 6 treatments 🔥

i still feel it should be there tbhhh

[trail ether]

I do not mean that at all

[trail ether]

it is not enough to warrant a restart

[karmic drum]

Normally when you have big mods, and really invested devs. They have a very "my mod or bust" mentality. So testing or taking feedback on specific mods and then adding them to a variable black list. Speaks to a levrl of care and personal integrity

[trail ether]

basically just changed the sea voyager and added uncrafting to the rock crusher

[pine ginkgo]

do bases get the ||power consumption increase in the lr? seems like it||

[barren oar]

huh? actual uncrafting??

[karmic drum]

Alright. I'll probably keep with my current save then

[barren oar]

assumedly there's some whitelist for crafts?

[karmic drum]

Honestly it's a feaute I wish we already had

[trail ether]

yes

[karmic drum]

Even if it's like this

[barren oar]

it existed solely for the azurite battery

[trail ether]

with a lot of strings attached

[barren oar]

oh is it like 50% material loss

wait the source is public

i love open source

[trail ether]

I can do you one better

AE dumps the yields to log

[barren oar]

oh yep its about that

[barren oar]

interesting that some materials you lose less of

[trail ether]

uncrafting is recursive

[barren oar]

why is that

and not just a solid 50% for everythin

[trail ether]

the main point is recovery of raw resources

especially limited items

[karmic drum]

Yup. Since plently of items are in limited supply

[barren oar]

oh that makes sense

azurite and such yeah

oh azurite is 90%?

[trail ether]

azurite is 100%

all base materials are

[karmic drum]

Also can I just say. I love how cool your crafting recipes are. They feel like they take a reasonable amount of effort. But aren't stupid grindy

[barren oar]

mb i was looking at the aq eng source and forgot it was a c2c exclusive

[karmic drum]

I had actual fun running around crafting my mobile vehicle bay last night

So much that I ended up playing for a few hours longer than I should've 😅

[trail ether]

they serve the dual purpose of adding the progression milestones and making the recipe feel like it logically follows

[pine ginkgo]

finally found some ||calcite||

[trail ether]

in some cases that becomes a triple purpose like with vehicles and modules

makes you treat them as valuable rather than disposable

[barren oar]

incentivises taking risks and save scumming 🔥

[trail ether]

they can be annoying to actually run later in the game, which is why I use EasyCraft (and have no objection to use of the mod)

picking up 2 of this and 5 of this and 6 of this and 9 of that is fiddly

[barren oar]

yeah some recipes you just have to empty your inventory out for

[trail ether]

I played without EasyCraft in my Sep 2022 playthrough and it was annoying to craft upgrades and enzymes

[barren oar]

especially if using de extinct

[karmic drum]

Eh. My adhd brain doesn't see it as fiddly. I got all kinds of resources I would've needed later by running in and out of pod for copper every time I ran out

Or wait

You probably mean in base craftinflg

[trail ether]

picking up, not collecting

[karmic drum]

[trail ether]

ie getting it from lockers into your inventory

[karmic drum]

Yea

It took me a second. Brain was running too fast

[trail ether]

I played Planet Crafter recently - and that game has identical inventory management to SN - and it just reaffirmed the QoL of easycraft to me

fortunately that game has a similar mod