SeaToSea

[vocal pulsar]

thats why i said im gonna use it in a different playthrough (also because some of my other mods are incompatable)

so

yeh

or ima just wait until a 2.0 port if there is one and use it in my 2.0 modpack 🤷

[trail ether]

do not install both together

[signal karma]

Why?

Is it laggy

Or

Uh idk

[trail ether]

not gameplay compatible

[normal frigate]

my sea to sea is angry at me

no cyclops upgrade mods work

and im sad

[trail ether]

i blocked any that conflict

[normal frigate]

:(

so never gonna be able to zap lava dudes

i give up on dnspy sea to sea to confusing

[normal frigate]

alright

so i got rid of the cyclops mods\

and now it wont allow a bunch of others cause it says they will break progression

and... i tried to make a new game and it wont let me

bruh anth wont work either

[normal frigate]

bingo

[loud python]

You can still play the game by dismissing the message that tells you it'll disable progression, right?

[vocal pulsar]

what mods are incompatable with ecocean, i had a massive glitch session, had infinite oxegen, got out of the water and the aurora was gone, and then got back in the water and it acted like land. i would send the error but i removed ecocean

i really liked what that mod added though :(

[trail ether]

wtf

[vocal pulsar]

ima sacrifice my self and re add it for the log 🫡

@trail ether the console error:

[Error : Unity Log] System.ArgumentNullException: Value cannot be null.
Parameter name: key
at System.Collections.Generic.Dictionary2[TKey,TValue].FindEntry (TKey key) [0x00008] in <567df3e0919241ba98db88bec4c6696f>:0 at System.Collections.Generic.Dictionary2[TKey,TValue].TryGetValue (TKey key, TValue& value) [0x00000] in <567df3e0919241ba98db88bec4c6696f>:0
at Atlas.GetSprite (System.String name) [0x00006] in <b20a3a5ada624fe2a1501d935cca65f7>:0
at Atlas.GetSprite (System.String atlasName, System.String name) [0x00012] in <b20a3a5ada624fe2a1501d935cca65f7>:0
at SpriteManager.GetWithNoDefault (SpriteManager+Group group, System.String name) [0x0000f] in <b20a3a5ada624fe2a1501d935cca65f7>:0
at (wrapper dynamic-method) SpriteManager.DMDSpriteManager::Get(SpriteManager/Group,string)
at CustomBeacons.Patches.uGUI_Pings_OnWillRenderCanvases_Patch.Postfix (uGUI_Pings __instance) [0x0007d] in <84e0bfa379644b6d9caf7a43d40a3af4>:0
at (wrapper dynamic-method) uGUI_Pings.DMD<uGUI_Pings::OnWillRenderCanvases>(uGUI_Pings)
at ManagedUpdate.Execute (ManagedUpdate+Queue queue) [0x00027] in <b20a3a5ada624fe2a1501d935cca65f7>:0

and ill go grab the log

oh no

i grabbed the wrong console error

whatever, heres the log

[shell drift]

If you want Reika to actually go though it then you'll have to upload it to pastebin or a similar platform, the way discord embeds text files is unsuitable for proper reading.

[vocal pulsar]

alright

ill go do that

is it bad that pastebins webpage literally runs out of memory when i try to paste it 💀

idea

YES

if i remove the file extension, i think it can be downloaded and viewed if opened in notepad

lemme check

yep

that works

alright reika, ping me if you get any idea whats causing this.

[trail ether]

i am not downlkoading random files

that is why you were told to put it on a host

[vocal pulsar]

ok

know anything like pastebin

because it literally crashes the webpage when i try to paste

oh maybe a google doc

[trail ether]

pastebin is the big one but alternatives include hastebin and github gist

but a 10MB log is already extreme

indicative of someting having gone very wrong

[normal frigate]

I had a 90mb one lol

[trail ether]

!

[normal frigate]

found the mod blocking thing

im too big brain

[vocal pulsar]

@trail ether https://gist.github.com/spinmastercodes/8c5b461d235950675aafa90526133de5

[trail ether]

ok now we know why it is 9MB

[Message:Plugin Doctor]       indications of whether the plugin is intended for use on a
[Message:Plugin Doctor]       specific version of the game, and if so, patient should
[Message:Plugin Doctor]       consult with the developer of the plugin and/or the
[Message:Plugin Doctor]       modding community for advice on how to resolve this.```

x 100000

wtf is that

[trail ether]

you have thousands of errors and many of them look like you mixed legacy and 2.0

you also tried to install a bunch of mods you should not be using alongside c2c

[vocal pulsar]

um

2.0 is odd

ill go check

[trail ether]

well i see mentions of nautilus

[vocal pulsar]

tbats incredibly strange

well someone did tell me to install tobeys for 2.0

i mean

legacy

not 2.0

im starting to think i sent you the wrong log

[vocal pulsar]

i fixed all the 2.0 stuff

@trail ether this is the error message
[Error : Unity Log] MissingMethodException: void SMLHelper.V2.Handlers.CustomSoundHandler.RegisterCustomSound(string,FMOD.Sound,FMOD.Studio.Bus)
Stack trace:
ReikaKalseki.Ecocean.GlowOil..cctor () (at <763078c5bd9c4ceebc87e6445b32dfe0>:0)
Rethrow as TypeInitializationException: The type initializer for 'ReikaKalseki.Ecocean.GlowOil' threw an exception.
ReikaKalseki.Ecocean.ECHooks.tickPlayer (Player ep) (at <763078c5bd9c4ceebc87e6445b32dfe0>:0)
ReikaKalseki.DIAlterra.DIHooks.tickPlayer (Player ep) (at <66869558c44343ec9c8fa0fe97d5b960>:0)
(wrapper dynamic-method) Player.DMDPlayer::Update(Player)

[trail ether]

are you using a stupidly old SML

[vocal pulsar]

uuuuuuh

[vocal pulsar]

well that fixed everything

every problem ive had

thank you

im supid

[signal karma]

Do i need to explore 100% of a biome inorder to progress to the next biome?

I restarted my progress and now i will try to explore 100 percent of each biome, i think im done fully exploring safe shallow and now confused what biome i should explore 100 percent next

[normal frigate]

reika is there anyway to get rid of qmodpatch. (yk what im talking abt) hehehe

[trail ether]

...that is not how SN works with any mod

[trail ether]

yes it involves deleting the entire SeaToSea folder from your computer

[unreal flame]

I mean, sea to sea gets pretty close

[normal frigate]

wait so if sea to sea gives you a progression breaking warning it doesnt load?

[normal frigate]

is there a list of all incompatible mods somewhere

[vocal pulsar]

yeh

its on the page

near the bottom

[normal frigate]

alright

[trail ether]

that one is a bit outdated

but that said it is less of a comprehensive list anyway

more a list of conceptual categories

[rotund citrus]

Alright, I've decided to (for now) remove Deathrun and MLS to do a reasonably simple C2C run. Seaglide and basic tools were a breeze after doing so much DR, just gotta figure out where the hell the Nanolathing Drones and Azurite are. Speaking of stuff to figure out: Is there a lot of stuff locked behind creature/plant scans, or is it more of a "explore the area and you'll find something that looks obvious enough" kind of thing? Just trying to get in the right mindset, because usually I'm the kind of person to go on the wiki if I get stuck and I wanna try not doing that more than I need to here (not that there's really a C2C wiki!) :)

[upper dock]

It's mostly exploration and reading area PDA entries

[trail ether]

there are a few important scans tohugh

[trail ether]

it may not all be obvious - you are rewarded for being observant and curious

a lot of the people who get stuck complain that things are not clearly telegraphed "go here"

which is the point

[unreal flame]

scans are important for understanding, if anything

[civic grove]

Be very aware of new pda messages, they point you towards noteworthy points of interest. Generally you will be combing through biomes a lot. The exploration information in your PDA is very helpful.

[rotund citrus]

Alright, I found the Nanolathing Drones fairly quickly (after a long grind, we have a Seamoth now :)), and also found the ||Shaped Azurite|| in the Jellyshroom Degasi Base (though it doesn't seem like enough to do anything with?), as well as the ||Crash Zone Degasi Base||.

[worthy hollow]

is CC3 compatible with C2C, and what mods does C2C depnd on exactly?

[trail ether]

CC3?

[worthy hollow]

custom craft purple edition

[upper dock]

cc3 is a 2.0 mod isn't it

C2C is legacy

[worthy hollow]

ah

nvm

[rotund citrus]

Also

[unreal flame]

it's been my endeavor to shorten that list as much as possible

[vocal pulsar]

will there ever be plans to make like, individual mods for each of the features or nah, i would like to have things like the new flora, fauna and items, without the new biomes (even though they probably need to use the biomes i guess) without having it be incompatable with my modpack.

[upper dock]

Most of the features you would reasonably want standalone already are

just download the prereqs but don't use C2C

all of the rest of the new content C2C adds wouldn't really work outside of C2C's progression overhaul

[vocal pulsar]

yeh i have em, i just specifically wanted the abyssal stalker, and some of the new ores

[unreal flame]

What use would the new ores be without the new recipes?

[normal frigate]

im lagging super bad in wrecks is that normal?

[upper dock]

It's not normal but it is a known issue

[loud python]

it was normal for me

the U shaped wrecks in particular lag like a motherfucker

[vocal pulsar]

i forgot to say new recipes, my bad, that too lol

[normal frigate]

whenever i go near a wreck i stutter like crazy

Fps drops to 15 with constant freezes

[loud python]

It happens a lot

I use the oxygen and invisible cheats on wreaks because navigating them is a fucking nightmare

[sinful wagon]

Multipurpose rooms feel cramped with an acu in them. Missing those large rooms

[loud python]

Yeah. It feels weird to build a seabase without the large room

[civic grove]

So while lots of diligent searching is somewhat the point of C2C, at times it can be somewhat frustrating/tedious... this reddit thread was very helpful to me when I felt totally clueless at some points: https://www.reddit.com/r/subnautica/comments/13czsx5/subnautica_c2c_modded_question/
It doesn't include everything and I think not everything is up to date, but still very helpful and I really liked that I could get a couple of hints without directly spoiling locations/solutions.
My recommendation is still to use the least hints/spoilers possibly, after all C2C is still like the original Subnautica - you can only play it for the first time once 🙂

[worthy plume]

ty bro !

[tulip silo]

i am late af to this and what i am about to say could be outdated but placing your seamoth a bit further away from the wreck can reduce issue a bit

[unreal flame]

Wait what?

That’s a weird one

[molten fern]

what does this mod do?

[unreal flame]

Content expansion

[molten fern]

does it have a legacy version

[unreal flame]

Revamps recipes, adds new points of interest, new buildables, new resources, new biomes, new creatures, new plants…

[unreal flame]

It only has a legacy version, at the moment

[molten fern]

perfect

do you know if it works with the fcs mods

[unreal flame]

Yes

Though it makes some balance changes to FCS in order to work

[molten fern]

bouta download this rn seems amazing

[unreal flame]

(Stuff like making FCS drills “deplete” underground resources from a nearby over time, and making each buildable FCS recipe cost resources, while the item purchase becomes a blueprint recipe purchase)

[molten fern]

oh lets go

[unreal flame]

You should still feasibly be able to complete both mods simultaneously, is my understanding

[molten fern]

sounds like way more fun

the buyable versions are kinda wack

[unreal flame]

I 100% agree

[molten fern]

i cant buy anything cause it dosent show my base as a base

even though i have a altera hub thingy

wait is this on nexus or is it a seperate mod like fcs

[unreal flame]

It’s on reika’s website

Also: you’ll need to start a new save

[molten fern]

Ah ok

[trail ether]

I did it in december

[trail ether]

that does not matter - buy from the PDA as normal

[trail ether]

https://i.imgur.com/gi9TAMe.png https://i.imgur.com/XWIBMjg.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/zgG8XKD.jpg https://i.imgur.com/GaRiJtZ.jpg

from my playtrhrough in december

[signal karma]

What pc specs you use and how much fps you get?

[trail ether]

https://i.imgur.com/IQ0s6qn.jpg https://i.imgur.com/qsWKgAu.jpg https://i.imgur.com/agxVDbL.jpg

[signal karma]

Fcs combined with c2c is laggy as hell for me

[trail ether]

the FPS varied but even in the very endgame it was good enough

less than I would prefer

but good enough

[signal karma]

Especially near that one wreck and glass biome

[trail ether]

I did notice that if I reloaded a save from inside a base it took a lot longer to load, and had lag spikes for a bit after it did

but this was solved by just going outside before I saved, every time

[signal karma]

Is there way to reduce glass biome density?

[trail ether]

I never did find a cause

[signal karma]

That the most laggiest part for me

[trail ether]

what do you mean density

either way the answer is no

[signal karma]

Ooh

[molten fern]

when i click buy all it says chose a base and no bases show up

[normal frigate]

has nothing to do with this mod you were answered twice in other places so please dont come to threads now.

[worthy plume]

it's normal that i can't get rid of the fire in front of the prawn bay door in the aurora?

[civic grove]

Had the same "issue". There are also other small fires which you can't completely extinguish, but you can make them small enough to quickly move past/through them - but I think the prawn bay is a different issue. I could move past the fire, but died instantly behind it to the heat. I'm assuming you need protection against the general high heat to enter.

[worthy plume]

yeah, that must be a different fire that can't be extinguish now, but that's a bit confusing

[unreal flame]

Intentional mechanic

@trail ether how feasible would it be to ||turn the prawn bay fires blue||

[trail ether]

they are particle systems so i cannot just swap the textures but i might be able to apply the general color multiplier

but there is not a way to turn orange blue that way

[unreal flame]

would be nice if it had a hue value

what about white, then?

something that indicates higher temps

[trail ether]

you know multiply mode color blending right

that is what the _Color property is

it is already white

onto an orange and yellow texture

I can set it to > 1 in RGB

[unreal flame]

sure, i'm pretty sure that's normal

[trail ether]

but the blue component is probably already zero

[unreal flame]

what happens when you alter it?

[trail ether]

meaning at best even if I max it out it would go pure yellow

[trail ether]

?

[unreal flame]

i'm still curious what the fire might look like if _Color is changed

[trail ether]

so there are actually several renderers https://i.imgur.com/yBAYlJI.jpeg

if i set all to blue this happens

oh

this one is orange by dfault

https://i.imgur.com/Uvrljpl.jpeg

white https://i.imgur.com/QdaLIzz.jpeg

blue https://i.imgur.com/fott5Qh.jpeg

also irange https://i.imgur.com/XtxaAzk.jpeg

[unreal flame]

definitely gets somewhere, at least

[trail ether]

and https://i.imgur.com/CImvgMA.jpeg

this appears to be the main one https://i.imgur.com/0MKBEyU.jpeg

ok i take back what i said earlier

they used color to tint the flame

[unreal flame]

sweet

[trail ether]

this is not how 99% of SN is done

99% of SN things are color white on a colored texture

[unreal flame]

i'd suggest a cyan or blue for the "main" and then keeping the one present here orange, or maybe yellow/white

[unreal flame]

my only other real experience here is with the ion cube shader, and that one also has the colors applied like this

[trail ether]

https://i.imgur.com/GEOnWlt.jpeg

there is also a smoke texture

also tintable

[unreal flame]

arguably, a fire like this probably wouldn't emit smoke

[trail ether]

this is pretty https://i.imgur.com/5j9LOqe.jpeg

[unreal flame]

nice work

hey wait a second

||green fire||

[trail ether]

would not fade to blue/lavender on top

[unreal flame]

mostly as a reference

[trail ether]

https://i.imgur.com/rs14hu5.jpeg

[unreal flame]

(actually, what color does titanium usually burn at, anyway?)

is the lighting baked or are you able to alter local lights to be more blue as well?

[trail ether]

white

blindingly white

[trail ether]

what do you mean

there are lots of Light objects around

[unreal flame]

so probably not baked into a lightmap, then

[trail ether]

no

that is not how SN does it for the most part

@unreal flame the fire itself has a light

which is the reason for that orange glow

https://i.imgur.com/cDobYTF.jpeg

[unreal flame]

Interesting

[trail ether]

https://i.imgur.com/KDjERPf.jpeg

I cannot change its intensity

it is fluctuating wildly so that means the Fire component is modifying it, to simulate flicker

but the color is not being modified by the fire

[unreal flame]

Unfortunate

Anyhow, this looks good to me

[trail ether]

range too

[trail ether]

https://i.imgur.com/k0oWHy0.jpeg

only question then becomes - why is this one fire burning so much hotter

there is not even anything on the floor there

https://i.imgur.com/k5zms67.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/B5Jpr1R.jpeg

[unreal flame]

That’s arguably still a question based solely on the mechanics of this fire

And existing tells that you’ve already implemented

[trail ether]

I am not following

I can throw any prop i want onto the floor there

but i do not know what to put there

[unreal flame]

This started out because people have consistently been confused by this fire as a progression point

[trail ether]

the fire is not even an insurmountable barrier

I run through it

but people are conflating the heat kill in this room with that of the fire

people who get to the prawn bay without the appropriate protection die to the heat and assume the fire is what killed them

[unreal flame]

But that’s part of the point, was it not?

[trail ether]

and ask here or elsewhere how to get past the fire

[trail ether]

no the fire was just a prop designed to discourage using this door

but not prevent it

[unreal flame]

You could change the other fires in the area to also be blue

[trail ether]

and to deal a little extra damage to make it damage-total-equivalent wiht the long way

[trail ether]

the issue is identification

but true

[trail ether]

the prawn bay is not axis-aligned

so "get all fires in this area" is difficult

i have a sort of rough definition of its volume already but that would not be reliable for this

[trail ether]

        internal readonly static Vector3 auroraPrawnBayDoor = new Vector3(984, 8.5F, -36.2F);
        
        private readonly static Vector3 auroraPrawnBayLineA1 = new Vector3(995, 2.6F, -38.6F);
        private readonly static Vector3 auroraPrawnBayLineA2 = new Vector3(1023.5F, 2.6F, -12.7F);
        private readonly static Vector3 auroraPrawnBayLineB1 = new Vector3(981.3F, 2.6F, -21.4F);
        private readonly static Vector3 auroraPrawnBayLineB2 = new Vector3(1010.9F, 2.6F, 9.9F);```

        public bool isPlayerInAuroraPrawnBay(Vector3 pos) {
            double d1 = MathUtil.getDistanceToLineSegment(pos, auroraPrawnBayLineA1, auroraPrawnBayLineA2);
            double d2 = MathUtil.getDistanceToLineSegment(pos, auroraPrawnBayLineB1, auroraPrawnBayLineB2);
            double d3 = MathUtil.getDistanceToLineSegment(pos, (auroraPrawnBayLineA1+auroraPrawnBayLineB1)/2F, (auroraPrawnBayLineA2+auroraPrawnBayLineB2)/2F);
            return Math.Min(d1, Math.Min(d3, d2)) <= 6.25;
        }```

basically "is that position in the prawn bay"

which is used for whether you are under the heat effect

but that may exclude corners for example

worth a shot i suppose

well

all the fires are on one side of the prawn bay

so that might make this better

except

the ceiling fire effect

[unreal flame]

The glowing debris?

Probably fine to remain

[trail ether]

https://i.imgur.com/MEyGc3T.jpeg

not the falling debris

this fire on the celing

it does not even have a hitbox so i cannot even select it by clicking

so i do not know its prefab

ok found the root https://i.imgur.com/1R8SIy2.jpeg

[normal frigate]

Looks complicated

[trail ether]

it has no unique identifier https://i.imgur.com/YSln109.jpeg

it is two layers

one inside the ceiling and one coating the surface

the sleected GO is the latter

https://i.imgur.com/eLDCVed.jpeg

and these are just GOs with a texture too

not even identified as fire

does have a color though https://i.imgur.com/Oo5Ux96.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/cPf45HT.jpeg

still going to try this

[trail ether]

it is not working

but i remember why

the fire component adds the various FX objects later

during its tick

i had this problem trying to modify another fire at some other time

but

second problem

@unreal flame no SkyApplier component on these fires https://i.imgur.com/n6xCysO.jpeg

which is the component I watch for my "on GO spawned" hook

that said i might be able to patch the Fire spawn

still this is growing substantially in effort

[unreal flame]

i think it'll be worthwhile, for the moment

[trail ether]

oh joy it is async too https://i.imgur.com/WctiBeH.png

[trail ether]

@unreal flame remember i said it was unreliable? https://i.imgur.com/lV0ZDg1.jpeg

it definitely looks...special though https://i.imgur.com/JF9dgT0.jpeg

this will have to do though

i suppose one could handwave it as prawn bits burn hotter

and that explains the blue fire

[unreal flame]

seems fine to me

[trail ether]

whereas orange fire is normal stuff burning

[unreal flame]

not like actual blue-hot fire doesn't have orange portions

[trail ether]

https://i.imgur.com/V3NCwjz.jpeg

[trail ether]

they are entirely distinct fire patches

not orange spots within

[unreal flame]

still, seems fine to me

[trail ether]

still lots of orange light in here too

https://i.imgur.com/dezHUhQ.jpeg

[unreal flame]

add new lights, maybe?

[trail ether]

I could do that

I overdid it XD https://i.imgur.com/7YJdZqZ.png

ok there are way more lights than i expected

oh I added one every frame

derp

[unreal flame]

instant death

[trail ether]

of my FPS

@unreal flame https://i.imgur.com/b0Va2wE.jpeg

[unreal flame]

nice

[trail ether]

some adjustmetns for better contrast https://i.imgur.com/0GJPuLu.jpeg

now someone just needs to finally get around to testing that hardcore patch

noone has yet

[shell drift]

I'll do it, but I'll need a little bit to do a clean install of my game since I have lots of 2.0 mods installed right now

[shell drift]

What exactly needs to be tested?

[trail ether]

boot the game, check the recipes, and look for Integrating deathrun recipe change in the log

[shell drift]

Seems like the recipes integrated correctly, assuming the vehicle recipes are intended to be as shown, but things like the nanolathing drone seem to incorporate deathrun items correctly. Also I could not find any specific mention of Integrating deathrun recipe change in the qmod log, using ctrl + F.

[trail ether]

none of those are correct

literally not one

look in your log for errors

[shell drift]

Used Ctrl + F for any mentions of "error" and I did not find anything relating to deathrun. Anything related to deathrun just seemed to be the mod loading.

[trail ether]

that is not what errors look like in the console

look for Exception:

also look at the end of the C2C harmony log file

is there an exception or does Running harmony patch from <deathrun method> exist

[normal frigate]

wait quick question, is there any reason why wrecks lag so much with c2c installed

its super odd

[shell drift]

Couldn't find an exception nor a deathrun harmony patch, only running harmony patch from I saw was for resource monitor in the C2C harmony log. Looking for exceptions in the qmod log didn't bring up anything related to deathrun, only c2c itself.

[trail ether]

it would be a c2c error

what is that error

[shell drift]

Here's one of them:
(Filename: C:\plastic_workspace_unity\Runtime/Export/Debug/Debug.bindings.h Line: 35)
SEATOSEA: System.Exception: Unable to construct object from xml block of type 'customprefab': <customprefab><prefab>databox</prefab><tech>AlterraHubDepot</tech><position><x>75.0898742675781</x><y>-418.361907958984</y><z>1450.34375</z></position><rotation><x>4.80002498626709</x><y>147.999954223633</y><z>3.20002198219299</z><quaternion><x>0.0383547097444534</x><y>0.959721624851227</y><z>-0.0325484164059162</z><w>0.276412546634674</w></quaternion></rotation><scale><x>0.75</x><y>0.75</y><z>0.75</z></scale><xmlID>ff797a07-21c3-49d6-bd53-43e7da55b90c</xmlID></customprefab> ---> System.Exception: Unable to load object xml block of type 'customprefab': <customprefab><prefab>databox</prefab><tech>AlterraHubDepot</tech><position><x>75.0898742675781</x><y>-418.361907958984</y><z>1450.34375</z></position><rotation><x>4.80002498626709</x><y>147.999954223633</y><z>3.20002198219299</z><quaternion><x>0.0383547097444534</x><y>0.959721624851227</y><z>-0.0325484164059162</z><w>0.276412546634674</w></quaternion></rotation><scale><x>0.75</x><y>0.75</y><z>0.75</z></scale><xmlID>ff797a07-21c3-49d6-bd53-43e7da55b90c</xmlID></customprefab> ---> System.Exception: TechType for worldgen container ReikaKalseki.DIAlterra.GenUtil+Databox was null!
at ReikaKalseki.DIAlterra.GenUtil+ContainerPrefab..ctor (TechType tech, System.String template, System.Action1[T] m, System.String pre, System.String suff, System.String disp) [0x00053] in <66869558c44343ec9c8fa0fe97d5b960>:0 at ReikaKalseki.DIAlterra.GenUtil+Databox..ctor (TechType tech, System.String template, System.Action1[T] modify) [0x00000] in <66869558c44343ec9c8fa0fe97d5b960>:0
at ReikaKalseki.DIAlterra.GenUtil.getOrCreateDatabox (TechType tech, System.Action`1[T] modify) [0x0002a] in <66869558c44343ec9c8fa0fe97d5b960>:0
at ReikaKalseki.DIAlterra.CustomPrefab.loadFromXML (System.Xml.XmlElement e) [0x002a6] in <66869558c44343ec9c8fa0fe97d5b960>:0
at ReikaKalseki.DIAlterra.ObjectTemplate.construct (System.Xml.XmlElement e) [0x000c9] in <66869558c44343ec9c8fa0fe97d5b960>:0
--- End of inner exception stack trace ---
at ReikaKalseki.DIAlterra.ObjectTemplate.construct (System.Xml.XmlElement e) [0x000f2] in <66869558c44343ec9c8fa0fe97d5b960>:0
--- End of inner exception stack trace ---
at ReikaKalseki.DIAlterra.ObjectTemplate.construct (System.Xml.XmlElement e) [0x00117] in <66869558c44343ec9c8fa0fe97d5b960>:0
at ReikaKalseki.DIAlterra.WorldgenDatabase.loadXML (System.String file) [0x001a2] in <66869558c44343ec9c8fa0fe97d5b960>:0

^ from the qmod log

There were a few errors

[trail ether]

this is indicative of a problem but an entiurely unrelated proble,

[civic grove]

This is actually a giant improvement to know that workaround, thanks! Having every session (as I usually return to base and save there) start with massive stuttering and (what I thought to be necessary) move away from my base to restart&reload to have acceptable fps was kind of a bummer.

[vocal pulsar]

this mod is going to be great if it comes out in 2.0, we dont have many big mods for 2.0 and this would be great, especially since my legacy modpack isnt comp- i mean it would make this mod probably even more popular than it already is 👀

[shell drift]

Reika herself has said that this mod will eventually be ported to 2.0, but it will be in the distant future because of how big of an undertaking that would be

[vocal pulsar]

yeh. alot of the mods are really good but lag my game. ill definitley use them sometimes tho

[loud python]

I'm dying for that future tbh

[sinful wagon]

Same. Having started in 2.0, legacy feels like a sulky, passive-aggressive teenager version of subnautica. If I thought c2c would be ported in less than a year, I'd just wait, but here we are

[vocal pulsar]

do the dependencies cause lag? i feel like my game lags alot since i added them to my modpack

[lethal crest]

Did the big c2c update release i havent been around modding for a long time

[remote sedge]

hello

[unreal flame]

Big meaning what

[lethal crest]

like the first large update

i honeslty dont really remember what it was about but iirc it changed alot of stuff and it was supposedly nearly done

Ill try to find something about it

#🎮┃mod-discussion message

big updaye referred to here

[loud python]

If you're asking if it has been ported to 2.0, then no, sorry, it hasn't yet.

[trail ether]

that was released in september at the latest

and there have been many updates since, of varying sizes

[lethal crest]

oh ok

[unreal flame]

There’s the FCS integration update which was pretty big too

[trail ether]

that was done across three updates though

[unreal flame]

fair enough

[remote sedge]

is it 2.0 or legacy

[loud python]

Legacy

[remote sedge]

and mod reqs?

[trail ether]

have you tried reading the webpage

[remote sedge]

nuhuh]

im too tired and lazy

[trail ether]

then you are not going to enjoy C2C very much

[remote sedge]

aightf

fuond them

[trail ether]

you are going to be one of those people who come back here after 90 minutes going "omg how the hell do I make batteries"

or "omg can someone give me the coords for the databoxxxxxx"

or "I've been looking for days and never got a radio message telling me how to find this lifepod"

[loud python]

IT's definetly not the mod for someone who doesn't want to make a lot of effort investigating stuff

[normal frigate]

it is a challenge mod after all

[worthy plume]

i have some struggle to know what i need to do to go at 500m, but im still exploring the map, but im scared as hell in some area

[trail ether]

?

[rotund citrus]

In the same position as you right now, explore everything in the surface biomes first, then you'll be fully equipped to start making progress downwards.

(And yes, that means the biomes you'd usually avoid, too.)

If you're scared, I'd suggest building scanner rooms on the borders of high-danger biomes to scout out places ahead of time. It works wonders. :)

[worthy plume]

i forgot there was a ghost leviathan in the grand reef and i was so scared, i open the debug menu without knowing it

[rotund citrus]

@trail ether Browsing through some of C2C's code, and I'm suddenly reminded that there was no ||Mercury Ingot||. I assume this is an oversight?

[unreal flame]

I mean, it’s a liquid

[rotund citrus]

This is true

But in that case, why not a bucket? :)

[shell drift]

I don't really think anyone would be using such a large amount of ||mercury|| to warrant adding a compressed version of it.

[rotund citrus]

That's fair?

[trail ether]

...no?

[loud python]

It's fine, you never really need to compress it. It's less abundant than magentite in my experience.

[trail ether]

it is

far less

[unreal flame]

and not used for much, either

[remote sedge]

in sea to sea you take everything that you can pick up and check if it adds a new craftable

thanks

[remote sedge]

where are the depth upgrades for seamoth mk2+ and theyre talking about some suit when in the aurora prawn bay, is it the normal reinforced dive suit or something else

why

[worthy plume]

That's exactly what reika was saying

[remote sedge]

thanks for being helpful

[worthy plume]

Well, the mod is based on exploration so....

[remote sedge]

yeah and i dont have time dealing with 3 reapers located next to eachother

[worthy plume]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[worthy hollow]

download challenge mod
look inside
challenge

[remote sedge]

what the hell are you on abou

[loud python]

This is what the mod is about

There's a good way of dealing with those reapoers. A couple, even.

But you have to find it.

*them

If you don't like having to find new puzzle pieces to unlock others, the whole mod will be a misserable experience.

[remote sedge]

i dont like dealing with reaper

[worthy plume]

You will deal with many reaper and other leviathan in the futur so it's maybe not the best mod for you

[loud python]

The reaper is the easiest leviathan to deal with in C2C

I mean it is a single player game, so you can go ahead and use console commands if you want.

[worthy plume]

You can dodge it easyli with a seaglide by going up or down him while he charge you

[trail ether]

#1147624004648186009 message

[trail ether]

frankly "dealing with" leviathans is very rarely necessary

avoidance is 99% of the time what you should do

as the base game is also designed around

[trail ether]

I can really only think of one specific reaper that absolutely needs otherwise, and one that benefits a lot from it

and I did that on purpose

[rotund citrus]

After my DR+MLS playthrough, 100% agree. Reaper survival is not about dealing with them directly, but knowing how to evade them and remain aware of their location while completing objectives. They're pretty tame once you get to know them. :)

[loud python]

Honestly, be it C2C or vanilla, once you get the electric shock thing for the seamoth, they're harmless

sea puppies, if you will

[rotund citrus]

True

But even without, you can work around Reapers. You just have to be extra careful.

[rotund citrus]

Which one?

[trail ether]

C2C hard mode makes that...a bit evil XD

https://i.imgur.com/fjjXHbG.jpg

[worthy plume]

the only one i never understand how to avoid is the ghost leviathan, i never understand how he can see me/hear me sometime, and when he find me i just pray and run in the opposite direction with a seamoth

[rotund citrus]

No way, is getting attacked by a Reaper the unlock requirement? That's pretty sick!

[rotund citrus]

I was playing with the one in the Grand Reef the other day, since it wouldn't leave me alone. I just went up, and then he gently nudged me and did no damage. And then it happened again a few more times :)

[rotund citrus]

Now that I think about it, that's gonna be crazy with DeathRun's increased damage

Might have to trade the unlock for an entire Seamoth

[worthy plume]

i don't have the seamoth on my c2c save now, so i avoid the grand reef at all cost until it's the last biome i need to go

and this big lizard is really fast whn you only have a seaglide

[remote sedge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1034114111996448866/1170682569000484954/gif.gif

my honest reaction

im not theperson

to read 500000 pages to find out one thing

and where am i supposed to find this information

destroy 50 seamoths to cross the entire map?

no way in hell a sane person will do that

[worthy plume]

i think this mod is not for you

[remote sedge]

and im looking for a mod that is actually a big mod

and this is the only one that i could find

that i didnt beat/play and find almost everyrhing in it

[worthy plume]

maybe, but this mod is based on exploration, finding everything by yourself and explore all the map to find the hint, it's almost like a metroidvania in my opinion

[remote sedge]

you said the same thingalready

and

[worthy plume]

i know

[remote sedge]

i am not exploring the entire map for a depth upgrade

[worthy plume]

lol

it's really not for you then

[trail ether]

yes

[trail ether]

???

[remote sedge]

incoming call

[trail ether]

I see that but I do not see how it is relevant

ie why you posted it

[trail ether]

by using the information you get ingame

not just ignoring it

you get clues, you need to work it out from those clues

[remote sedge]

like i went to lifepod 15 and i found hull plate

[trail ether]

how did you get to pod 15

[remote sedge]

hell

the reaper didnt assault me somehow

but these guys stole my seamoth

[trail ether]

I do not think you understood the question - how did you live long enough to make it to pod 15

[remote sedge]

UHHHHHHH

wait

i dont remember

[worthy plume]

how did you get the seamoth that quickly too?

[remote sedge]

i have alot more mods

installed

[worthy plume]

that make sense

[remote sedge]

and i afkd

[trail ether]

like what

[remote sedge]

a wholeass collection

turned on

[trail ether]

that is very vague

[loud python]

No silly, you use your seaglide.
Jokes aside, the mod is very well designed. Whatever you need you can access it without putting yourself in unreasonable danger, with the tools you already have. You just have to explore a lot, and be very observant.

You don't need to swim next to reapers until like 25 hours into the mod, if that helps.

[remote sedge]

you mean the dunes right?\

[trail ether]

observant and curious

[loud python]

Dunes, crash zone and mountains.

[trail ether]

and be able to piece together incomplete but related information

[remote sedge]

so i dont have to go there

[loud python]

You don't need to deal with reapers early on.

No. You can continuously progress through the game and build up your base and blueprints for like 25 hours before you HAVE to go to either of those places.

[remote sedge]

aight

[trail ether]

more if you are in no hurry

[remote sedge]

will explore rest thebn

thanks for that

.

internet is high

[loud python]

Once you must have to go to reaperland without the electrck shock thingy, it'll just be for short spans of time.

[remote sedge]

i did what id usually do, gather stuff wait for aurora to explore, explore aurora start building my base in grassyplateus and then do everything else

[loud python]

At the point of the game where you have to hang around reapers, you have the ability to unlock and build the shock thing, making reapers sea puppies.

[remote sedge]

and i think i went into places i shouldnt have gone into

[worthy plume]

i was block for like 2 or so hours because i was dumb, now i have the laser cutter

[loud python]

So basically, if you're stuck, you have to look elsewhere. The mod is well designed, it doesn't really put you in impossible possitions

[trail ether]

or force you to die

[loud python]

Yeah

[trail ether]

though it will unhesitatingly kill you for being careless or stupid XD

[loud python]

You wll have to change you usual route

[trail ether]

I completed a hardcore run with C2C in december

[remote sedge]

yeah because i dont play mods that are so complicated

[loud python]

Imagine vanilla SN was an early access demo

[trail ether]

welcome to the kind of mods I make

[remote sedge]

and i have stuff from the dunes and i dont think im supposed to have azurite

[loud python]

And C2C is the REAL release with a new campaign

[remote sedge]

if i beat this mod

i will say my opinion

on it

[loud python]

The progression is changed a lot.

Completely different

You can no longer ignore 50% of the map

[trail ether]

if you think C2C is complicated and involves exploration and clue-finding, you should try https://github.com/ReikaKalseki/ChromatiCraft

[loud python]

And no blueprint is useless

[remote sedge]

what abt stick light

[trail ether]

not useless

not very useful, but not useless

[loud python]

Okay, some blueprints are not super useful

But I did use light sticks

Just not a lot

[trail ether]

C2C's core premise is making every major mechanic and content item absolutely required

[loud python]

Fuck, even pipes are eventually usefull in this mod

[trail ether]

notice "major"

[loud python]

Goddamn pipes

[worthy plume]

i used stick light at the beginning

[trail ether]

minor content becomes just incentivized

even the air bladder

which people jokingly said I could never make useful

well I did

[loud python]

Huh, how is the air bladder useful? Never found a good use for it

[trail ether]

rapid ascent

also emergency asphyxiation prevention

[loud python]

But doesn't C2C made the ascent slower than vanilla SN?

[trail ether]

you get 15s of air by breathing it, which also resets the darkening you get when air is depleted

[loud python]

Or maybe i'm thinking SZ

[trail ether]

it does not

[loud python]

Probably thinking SZ then

[trail ether]

this is especially useful in one particular wreck

[loud python]

Oh, BZ i meant, not sub zero haha

[trail ether]

and not the one most people are probably thinking of

[worthy plume]

sometime i make tiny progress in so much time because of my stupidity and because im bad, it's almost scary

[loud python]

Sometimes I spend half the game looking for ways to make chlorine before ||I think maybe the green gas the gas-mask themed fish around my base keep farting ||MAY be related to chlorine.

[remote sedge]

also the medkit has a cool gimmick oin tis mdop

also reika why should the decorations mod not be used with sea to sea

[loud python]

iirc, decorations mod allows you to make some alien tablets with cheap materials

in C2C those same tablets ae part of the progression and require more difficult to find components to build

[trail ether]

it adds fabricators and trivial recipes for many advanced things

[remote sedge]

oke

they be giving me everything

THERES A SNAKE FROM THE JELLY SHROOM CCAVE NEXT TO ME

[worthy plume]

just in case, i have some massive freeze when i go in this wreck, idk what can cause this, but it's just in some specific zone of the wreck (||where you get the strange audio log and some other place in the wreck||)

[remote sedge]

whoa what is thisssa

idk what it does but oke

[worthy plume]

im not this far in the mod to know how to use it either

[remote sedge]

i aint touching this

[remote sedge]

well ok then

and i still have no idea where to find the depthmodule mk2 for seamoth

[worthy plume]

if you really don't want to play the intended way of the mod, you can use this https://www.reddit.com/r/subnautica/comments/13czsx5/subnautica_c2c_modded_question/

but it ruin the purpose of the mod

[remote sedge]

it dont matter to me

so

[worthy plume]

Yeah i can see that

[rotund citrus]

Combining this with DeathRun makes pipes very useful

[rotund citrus]

The neat part is that they also suck at turning :)

[worthy plume]

But do you have time and speed to do this with a seaglide?

[rotund citrus]

More than enough!

In fact, that's usually the situation I'm in when I go into Reaper territory

[worthy plume]

For the reapee yeah it's easy

But for ghost?

[rotund citrus]

Hmm.... Ghosts are more a matter of putting something between you and them. They're a lot more maneuverable, but not a whole lot smarter.

[trail ether]

know that if you do just follow a guide I will not give the slightest shadow of a shit about any opinion you have on the mod, and will do absolutely nothing about any issues you might find

[remote sedge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/473601315084173324/984479713789607956/donalturmrp.gif

[worthy plume]

Hmm ok, in the grand reef it's pretty hard to dodge them, but it's maybe too soon for me to go in this biome

[remote sedge]

i see a leviathan in pretty much every biome next to me

[vocal pulsar]

SPOILER WARNING!!! kinda...actually its not that important, but yeh

||It installs firmware hacks on your laser cutter to be able to harvest infinite metal salvage from the aurora ||

[remote sedge]

||free titane||

[vocal pulsar]

shushy

🤫

we cant let altera find out

[remote sedge]

better

[vocal pulsar]

yes

[remote sedge]

if rthey find out they gonna confiscate it and i wont be able to pay off my debt

[rotund citrus]

Yeah, I wouldn't recommend the Grand Reef until a bit later on, thanks to the elevated O2 consumption

[remote sedge]

that jumpscared me because it was louder than every other sound in the game

[trail ether]

that is not even part of C2C

though C2C is balanced around having it

that is AR

[trail ether]

aka the whole point

[worthy plume]

The thing that scared me is i might have missed some important thing in all the wreck i explore

[vocal pulsar]

yeh

we know

a dependancy

to c2c

i just didnt want to spoil it lol

nevermind

its the one mod that it doesnt depend on

im never speaking again

[worthy plume]

[trail ether]

C2C still needs AR

not strictly for progression perhaps but its resource costs are very much built around having it

and the C2C FCS integration code assumes AR presence as well, and makes hard reference to AR code

[unreal flame]

I just refer to any of the features of your mods that C2C integrates (meaning all of them) as being part of the C2C suite

[remote sedge]

me like titanium

[lethal crest]

need to get around to playing c2c

[worthy plume]

just to know, is the rare element above 400m or it's below that?

[civic grove]

Way above. It's very basic. Maybe one of these "too obvious" ones in your case?

[worthy plume]

probably yeah, my brain is not working properly i think

[civic grove]

Think vanilla chip ingredients 😉

On a similar note: Is the recipe for sulfuric acid something you discovery reasonably late (beyond 500m?) or did I miss something obvious?

[worthy plume]

the vanilla chip craft is with plate coral, gold and copper wire, but the coral give me normal coral piece

[worthy plume]

ok i have it now, i had to redownload the mod for unlocking the craft

[civic grove]

I wondered how you'd not find out about the rare element...

[worthy plume]

i had the same problem when i started to play the mod, my game is kinda brocken sometime

like i had all the coral, but nothing was available

[civic grove]

Are you playing with more mods than the C2C ones?

[worthy plume]

nop

but i had some problem already, like the sunbeam never land and i had to force it with a command

[civic grove]

Then you shouldn't have such errors. Something must be wrong with your install.
I had some issues at the start I think because I had the wrong Bepinex version, but everything was fine after a clean re-install of everything with the right versions.

[worthy plume]

finally

[rotund citrus]

To be fair, the vehicle bay is 90% of the work! :)

[normal frigate]

P l o m b

[worthy plume]

yeah, french version 🧙‍♂️

[trail ether]

and apparnetly they translated power cell to "high capacity battery"

and my motors are not localized at all XD

though I do have a locale system in the mod

so if someone were to localize all the items I could have them become french for you

[worthy plume]

it could be cool, even if my english is ok, and if i you need help to translate some stuff and text im available

[lethal crest]

really wish i downloaded legacy sn and c2c before being sent into the wilds (no internet for months) wouldve been a nice thing to kill time

[trail ether]

the names and descriptions for things are stored in XMLs in the mod file

simply make a copy - keeping the actual tag names, as well as programmatic content like sound and graphics paths - and translate the actual user-facing text

usually in name, desc, and pda tags

eg

<DeepStalker>
        <name>
            Abyssal Stalker
        </name>
        <desc>
            A deep-sea relative of the common stalker.
        </desc>
        <pda>
            A relative of the stalkers found in shallow creepvine forests, this species has adapted to the low-light conditions of its environment, using the darkness for camouflage in lieu of hiding in dense foliage.
            
            One trait that has been preserved or even amplified, however, is the Stalker's attraction to metallic materials; Abyssal Stalkers will congregate around sources of such materials, and will aggressively defend them from potential rivals.
            
            The purpose of the bioluminescent features on the stalker may be to aid this intimidation, or they may be designed to attract small prey fish.
        </pda>
        <category>
            Lifeforms/Fauna/Carnivores
        </category>
        <header>
            deepstalker
        </header>
    </DeepStalker>
    <SanctuaryJellyray>
        <name>
            Lantern Ray
        </name>
        <desc>
            A peaceful ray species that feeds on the glowing cores of eye flame plants.
        </desc>
        <pda>
            Lantern Rays slowly drift around their native biome, occasionally grazing on the glowing cores of the eye flames below. Like all other ray species so far encountered on the planet, they are both behaviorally passive and inedibly poisonous.
        </pda>
        <category>
            Lifeforms/Fauna/LargeHerbivores
        </category>
        <header>
            sanctuaryray
        </header>
    </SanctuaryJellyray>
    <PurpleBoomerang>
        <name>
            Pulsefish
        </name>
        <desc>
            A variant of the boomerang, adapted for the hot, dark, bacteria-laden waters of the Glass Forest.
        </desc>
        <pda>
            The pulsefish is largely identical to its shallow-water counterpart, save for one notable difference: For reasons unknown, members of this species will rapidly alter the brightness of the ends their fins. This is unlikely to be an attempt at communication, but it may perhaps be a mechanism to avoid predation by the numerous aggressive fauna in the region.
        </pda>
        <category>
            Lifeforms/Fauna/SmallHerbivores
        </category>
        <header>
            purpleboomerang
        </header>
    </PurpleBoomerang>```

header and category are technical and should not be changed

but the others are player-facing text

some are a little more complicated

eg ```xml
<bulkheadLaserCutterUpgrade>
<name>
Laser Cutter Temperature Upgrade
</name>
<desc>
<color=#FFA622FF>Laser Cutter</color>\n<color=#74C8F8FF>Temperature Upgrade</color>
</desc>
<pda>
Can now also cut reinforced titanium plating
</pda>
<error>
Reinforced bulkheads require increased cutting temperatures
</error>
</bulkheadLaserCutterUpgrade>
<bioprocessorBoost>
<name>
Bioprocessor Efficiency Upgrade
</name>
<desc>
<color=#FFA622FF>Bioprocessor</color>\n<color=#74C8F8FF>Efficiency Upgrade</color>
</desc>
<pda>
Now completes recipes with 33% less energy required
</pda>
</bioprocessorBoost>
<HUDAlerts>
<name>

</name>
<desc>
    
</desc>
<pda>
    
</pda>
<chemwarn>
    Poisoning Detected
</chemwarn>
<o2warn>
    Elevated O2 Consumption
</o2warn>
<pressurewarn>
    Extreme Pressure Detected
</pressurewarn>
<leakwarn>
    Power Loss Detected
</leakwarn>
<heatwarn>
    Extreme Temperature Detected
</heatwarn>
<influngwarn>
    Reduced Liquid Respiration Efficiency
</influngwarn>

</HUDAlerts>```

you need to not damage the encoded html tags in those desc entries but can change the text Temperature Upgrade and Efficiency Upgrade, and the other "custom" elements are also player-facing text, eg Extreme Pressure Detected

[worthy plume]

i think i understand, im gonna try working on some text and see if i don't mess up

[lethal crest]

what is remote version invalid

i launched game wirh mods once and it was fine but after i closed it and restarting i got this message for c2c and every dependency

ok so having my internet on makes it not happen

i had no idea that was even possibl

[trail ether]

failed to fetch the remote version

[lethal crest]

so does that actually mess with anything or can i just hide it

also works for me to just launch the game while connected and then turn it off after

[trail ether]

if you are already updated it is safe

[lethal crest]

okay, thank you

[bitter kraken]

Not sure if it has been told here before but that is actually a normal subnautica behavior
The prawn suit has 2 fragment types - just arm (not a module arm like drill arm, but arm like prawn arm), which requires 20 of them to unlock the prawn suit (which is iirc impossible to do. There is a really high chance that you will not get all 20 of them, there are only like 10 across the map) and the large parts, which require 4 of them
So once you scan the big parts this count should be fixed

[remote sedge]

ah

[upbeat remnant]

is this the right cave to find nanolathings?

[trail ether]

why not look and see

[upbeat remnant]

I need a lawnmower mod for this grass lol

[hybrid vine]

Hi! Someone please help with mod, it's already 39th day and sunbeam didn't arrive yet. There is no message about landing, last message was about scanning planet. Does anyone have this problem with sunbeam? What can i do to trigger sunbeam landing?

And if I use console command to force landing, does it broke sunbeam debris mechanic?

Btw, take this opportunity to greatly thanks to Reika for this amazing mod! It's incredibly work and I want so much to finishing walkthrough this mod until end.

[sinful wagon]

I had that happen, too, but the message eventually came. I think it still comes at a certain time, just later than in vanilla.

[hybrid vine]

About 40 days long?

[trail ether]

do not use the console

[unreal flame]

Most radio messages have triggers aside from time. This might be the case for the sunbeam radio messages too. Can’t remember

[trail ether]

with C2C it is

[normal frigate]

do yk what day sunbeam comes then?

[unreal flame]

I just said they don’t appear based on day

[normal frigate]

oh sorry i wasnt reading mb

[rotund citrus]

How far along are you progression-wise?

[white spire]

how is it like genuinely possible to get plankton in survival because i had to go into creative and get it and while i was getting it i was just constantly being attacked and if i wasn’t in creative i would’ve just instantly died

or just even go anywhere with reapers because they seem to be hella aggressive in this mod

[unreal flame]

look elsewhere

[hybrid vine]

So what should I do?
And what exactly trigger last message and sunbeam timer?

[hybrid vine]

Find some wrecks, not build seamoth yet
Didn't go into avrora
Find both island, grab all degasi island pda, some pda from another island

[civic grove]

You don't pick it up by hand, if that's what you tried... there are also places where you can get it rather safely. I didn't have much problems except for finding the required tech.

[rotund citrus]

Wait until nighttime :)

[rotund citrus]

Okay, so you're still pre-Sunbeam. Try working on a few things you haven't completed yet! :)

[hybrid vine]

ohh
Can you be more specific please? 😄

[rotund citrus]

I'm not gonna completely give it away, but it's one of the things you mentioned. :)

[hybrid vine]

Whoa.... yup yup I get it!
Thx so much

[loud python]

There are other places where plankton spawns.

[rotund citrus]

Yep. Do some exploring at night, cover some ground, and you'll find a ton of them. My first expedition filled the collector and I still had plenty of time to spare. :)

[white spire]

nah i had the scoop but alright i guess there are safer ways to get it but what about like just going to places like the dunes in general the reapers are relentless do not stop following

like i mean i have the seamoth defense thing now but is it really enough to get rid of like 3 reapers constantly following me

[unreal flame]

They shouldn’t be any more aggressive than normal unless you’re being loud

[loud python]

Or you use the sonar.

[unreal flame]

That falls under being loud

[rotund citrus]

They can hear that?

[loud python]

Of course they can

they're echolocators

[rotund citrus]

In lore, yeah. But it doesn't work like that mechanically, does it? At least, not according to the wiki.

[loud python]

In C2C, they can

tbf everything can see you if you use the sonar, iirc

[rotund citrus]

That's good to know, I've been using sonar quite a bit!

I gotta make sure to be a bit more careful now

[loud python]

Honestly the sonar is pretty useless due to this.

unless you are trying to lure leviathans somewhere, I guess

[modest shoal]

It doesn't seem to draw them when they're at near max range of the sonar, but when you're close, yeah, they'll bite you

[rotund citrus]

Alright, maybe that's why I didn't notice, then?

Does this affect other creatures too, or only Reapers?

I'm assuming the Ghosts in the Void are affected.

[unreal flame]

Wrong

Sonar has additional features/functions in c2c

[rotund citrus]

I haven't noticed anything new yet?

[unreal flame]

Sonar goes both ways

[rotund citrus]

Wait

Did it only go forward before, then?

[unreal flame]

They can see you if you ping sonar

What does this say about them

[rotund citrus]

That they definitely have better observational skills than I do!

[loud python]

The sonar module is not useless, but the sonar function kinda is.
The passive sonar is very decent.

[unreal flame]

Active sonar also has uses

[normal frigate]

how do i fix this

[unreal flame]

Have you followed the instructions that have already been listed?

[loud python]

I mean, it's literally spelled out for you.

But... re-download and reinstall all listed mods, or type hideversions

[normal frigate]

they were fine before.

i launched and no error

and when i launched again in the same hour it showed that

[loud python]

Happened once to me

Apparently, Reika is just really active in updating her mods

Which is awesome

[bitter kraken]

Actually, from what it seems, the problem is not the user's versions, but actually the versions that are on github. So he doesnt really need to update

[normal frigate]

so how do i fix it or shall we wait for a response from reika

[worthy plume]

Download all the mods and reinstall them like it say

[civic grove]

Are you playing without an internet connection? maybe the error messages just appear because they can't check the versions online - not necessarily because your ones are actually out of date.

[unreal flame]

I’m pretty sure that returns a different value than “invalid” but it’s possible

[trail ether]

I do not think it does

in MC java yes I do check for "is there an internet connection at all"

but in SN C# I do not

[rotund citrus]

That might be worth doing?

[normal frigate]

I didnt have wifi during then but when did subnautica use wifi lol

maybe for the news tab?

[normal frigate]

doing that would make people less dumb abt errors caused by outdated versions

[wind mantle]

When c2c would be port to 2.0

[normal frigate]

i remember all i had to do before was use a older version with more bugs to get rid of stuff i didnt like in new updates

[normal frigate]

not anytime soon

[unreal flame]

reika's mods use the internet for version checking

[unreal flame]

and that's precisely why it's done, yes

[normal frigate]

then why did reika say this “but in SN C# I do not”

Or am i being stupid

[unreal flame]

no, that was not having a distinct check for "is there an internet connection"

[normal frigate]

ohh

[hybrid vine]

Hello everyone, can anyone explain one thing to me. I received a signal from lifepod 9. I found ||a data bank around it with a enzymes recipe, some platinum and Sea Treader.|| The PDA says that there is something else in the area of this lifepod. I've been floating around the lifepod for several hours now. Out of misunderstanding what exactly I should find, I went to the wiki about mods, and there I found information that next to Lifepod 9|| there is a base of another survivor.||
Actually, my question is the following: how exactly or in what way or with what help should the player guess what exactly to look for in this zone when seeing a hint in the PDA? I know that the creator of this mod sometimes appears here in this thread, it would be great if she also answered this question. I don’t understand the logic of this mod, and the fact that there are no instructions here in what order to go through and where to move next - scares me. I feel confused and lost. If there is anyone here who finished the game with this mod and is willing to help me - let me know, I would be incredibly grateful.

[unreal flame]

Visual clues in the area

[loud python]

||Check the caverns in the grand reef. You don't have any reason to explore them in SN, but you do in C2C||

[rotund citrus]

If you've found the lifepod, you might've noticed all of the ||metal salvage|| in the area. It must be coming from somewhere, right? Try following that ||salvage|| and see where you end up. :)

Or if in doubt, 4-range scanner rooms can be useful to survey the terrain and scan for clues at the same time.

[fleet tartan]

does anyone know why my base power shuts off when i go too far and turns back on when i go back in range

[loud python]

To save memory, I guess

[fleet tartan]

i mean

air pipes dont work because they need base power

and i assume theres other things that wouldnt work too like filtration systems and battery chargers

[loud python]

Your pipe network would have to be huge tho, wouldn't it?

[fleet tartan]

No, the range is pretty short

It's like 50 meters

i get a message from the pda about emergency power only too

[loud python]

Huh. nvm then, a bug maybe?

[fleet tartan]

i thought so aswell, i have no mods except c2c and its requirements and radial tabs

[loud python]

I don't think this is intended.

[fleet tartan]

I can't imagine it is

If it means anything my only base power source is a solar panel and it's connected with a floating power transmitter I'll try some other power sources and see if it still happens

[fleet tartan]

So i tried it with a bioreactor and it didnt happen, then when i deconstructed the bioreactor and placed a new solar panel the issue didnt happen anymore

it only happens when using a floating power transmitter

[loud python]

Strange, but it seems like a bug @trail ether might want to fix

[trail ether]

maybe the floating power transmitter is unloading

[unreal flame]

Non-global moment

[fleet tartan]

anything i can do as a player to maybe prevent it?

[unreal flame]

Using regular power transmitters, I guess?

[fleet tartan]

fair, shouldnt be too much of a problem

It sure does feel nice playing subnautica and not knowing where everything i need is again, having to actually figure it out

[hybrid vine]

okay, maybe it's not so obvious with metal salvages clue. And its not so obvious with everything new tech in game.
What about step-by-step guide? i tried following radio messages and it got me into lifepod 15 crater's edge. And as I understand, it’s too early for me to visit there. But I already received the radio message. And I thought that maybe here I will get the progress I need. But i didnt heh ':D
So my question is, do you guys have 101 instruction in which order i should going throug this mod, what should i do first and the second etc

[unreal flame]

Reika’s opposed to guides on principle; the intent of her mods in general is to encourage more in-depth exploring and critical thinking

Sometimes it works well, sometimes it’s entirely unclear

I’d say ||placing more debris near pod 9|| is a valid course of action

@trail ether thoughts on using flares as another “look here” indicator in this instance?

[fleet tartan]

is that meant to be there??

this is next to lifepod 6

[loud python]

Yes

Given C2C higher dependency on farming, Reika added that for early access to outdoor plantbeds iirc

[fleet tartan]

oh that makes sense

i assumed the people in lifepod 6 built it or sm

[unreal flame]

There’s other reasons it’s there

[hybrid vine]

I'm sure this is a double-edged sword. If you want to encourage more in-depth exploring and critical thinking you get it, but many players just can't through it.
This lack of an objectively understandable steps simply scares off most, and I emphasize, most players. Perhaps that’s why I never found a single walkthrough of this mod on YouTube. Of course, this decision remains with Reika, but she loses many players without making any guide at all. This could have been done, for example, in a separate section on her website. With a disclaimer maybe. Saying about, it is recommended that you first try to do everything by yourself. And then anyone who is already tired of scouring the ocean bottom for several hours could get their answers.

[unreal flame]

Reika’s never been one to focus on popularity, I know that much

[trail ether]

there are already lights

that flash no less

[hybrid vine]

Oooh I felt it. Perhaps this was done on purpose to scare away all sorts of ignoramuses and fools.
IDK, this mod is incredibly interesting and detailed, it deserves to be famous and popular.

[unreal flame]

Flares are much louder, though

[unreal flame]

It’s definitely good to try and strike a balance, and I agree

There are a couple of early challenges that usually act as a good filter for “can you complete this mod yourself” imo

[lethal crest]

sure hope i passed them all

[unreal flame]

Nanolathing drones are the main one people often have issues with

[lethal crest]

the only thing im concerned about is that i havent found the blueprint for nanolathing drones yet (dont tell me what i have to do i will figure it out eventually)

ah!

[hybrid vine]

Anyway, do you know other mods that would be as interesting and huge as the Reika's mod?

[unreal flame]

For Subnautica? Not many that are out yet

[lethal crest]

i assume im well past the point i should've unlocked them

[hybrid vine]

Oh god damn it! That sure it is

[unreal flame]

Hold on, you got to pod 9 without a sub?

[unreal flame]

If you’re a couple hours in, most likely

[hybrid vine]

I got there on a moth, left it at a depth of about 290
And dived to the pod on a seaglider

[lethal crest]

i also feel like i shouldve probably gotten an azurite battery by now, but i havent

[unreal flame]

Ah, I misunderstood your statement then

[unreal flame]

That one’s a little later

[lethal crest]

every time i see a laser cutter door its just....

[unreal flame]

A lot of these things are breadcrumb puzzles and such

[lethal crest]

oh also quick question, does scanning things give you the blueprints that it is used in or do you actually have to pick it up?

[hybrid vine]

I know that feel bro

[lethal crest]

for example if i scan a plant and it has a recipe for some chemical idk will it give me the blueprint or do i have to actually stab it and get a seed

[unreal flame]

Pardon?

[lethal crest]

i dont know how to word this lmao

[hybrid vine]

I think you need get a sample

[unreal flame]

You should scan things preferentially, I’d say

[lethal crest]

i've been scanning pretty much everything i see just worreid i maybe missed out on a few blueprints because i didn't get an actual sample

[unreal flame]

Some stuff might trigger on pickup? Not sure

[hybrid vine]

I dont get some crafts blueprints just scanning, only after picking up

[unreal flame]

Anyhow, keep following signals, read entries and your environment carefully, and check your ship’s log occasionally to make sure you haven’t missed something

[lethal crest]

i dont assume im meant to check out the ||behind the aurora signals|| before i get a vehicle

spoilin just cus idk whats considered a spoiler

[unreal flame]

That’s much later, yes

I mean, you could. Maybe.

[lethal crest]

Who's going to object

[unreal flame]

The reapers, probably

[lethal crest]

Oh yeah those

i assume this random advanced wiring kit i found means something but im probably too stupid to figure it out for now

[unreal flame]

That’s an odd one

Where?

(Spoiler tagged)

[lethal crest]

||In this cave in the northern kelp forest with a brain coral in it and mesmers and stuff, big tunnel leading up to it||

i was thoroughly exploring that area cause exploration log says something is still to be discovered there

[lethal crest]

Okay i found what i needed

Right before blowing up

[unreal flame]

Didn’t know there was an advanced wiring kit there. Wack

[lethal crest]

Crash fish

[upper dock]

yeah C2C has some pretty hard walls early that filter out people who likely won't end up enjoying the mod

saves em time I suppose

there's some pretty extensive grinding you gotta do early (alleviated heavily by finding the ||lifepod 6 planters||), the nanolathing drones, and then the actual process of building the mobile vehicle bay which is needed to do much else unless you're OK with extremely slowly manual diving

I can't remember for sure but IIRC the habitat builder is also kind of a filter, and is absolutely neccessary to go further in the mod

Overall, absolutely not a mod built for "mass appeal" (which, sometimes people show up who just want to use the mod as a custom creature + biome mod which doesn't work at all), can respect the vision even if it's definitely not for everyone

[loud python]

The mod is more intuitive than it seems at first

But a coomunity made list of hints would be nice

I volunteer, i just don't know where to post it

(Also i'd have to start a new run)

[trail ether]

in hard mode that is how you unlock the recipe

you do not start with it unlocked

[trail ether]

and me hassle

[trail ether]

"somtimes", as in more than half the time 😛

[shadow ginkgo]

will there be 2.0 version of mod cuz im only playing 2.0

[normal frigate]

yea not for a while

reika has better things to do then sit infront of a computer and work on porting mods

all the mods are very very large so it would also take time

[rotund citrus]

I'm starting to think the Seamoth is more effort than it's worth, honestly. Especially when Reapers are involved, I'd rather not risk the resources I had to dump into making it unless I need to. Much easier to evade on a Seaglide.

[rotund citrus]

I'd like to make one sometime, seeing as this playthrough is mainly just training for a DR+MLS+C2C run.

And seeing how that'll be really really hard, I'm gonna have to be extra efficient

[lethal crest]

Is there a way to choose which locker the item collector places items in

[worthy plume]

It's me or the seamoth is really slow?

[unreal flame]

The seamoth’s uni-directional speed is unchanged

Multi-axis speeds were nerfed such that maximum speed in any direction doesn’t exceed forward uni-directional speeds

[worthy plume]

Ho that's why

[lethal crest]

I finally built the seamoth and it nearly got destroyed by a warper after like 5 minutes that was terrifying

[unreal flame]

Yeah, be careful

And save often

[lethal crest]

I'm not gonna save scum if it gets destroyed

unless i get into a softlock somehow idk

or from a bug

[unreal flame]

Good luck

[rotund citrus]

I lost my first Seamoth in this run.. from gravity.

It clipped through the floor and I was powerless to do anything but watch

Also, FINALLY managed to make polyaniline, I can go into the Crash Zone properly now :D

[lethal crest]

this doesnt sound like a hopeful good luck

im kinda worried

i assume i need the ||falling detection material module||before the sunbeam but its coming in 40 minutes

[rotund citrus]

Don't be! As long as you're careful with it and your Seamoth doesn't experience gravity, you'll be fiiine!

[unreal flame]

Reika isn’t exactly opposed to reloading to a previous save herself, so

[unreal flame]

Nope, that’s a different thing

[lethal crest]

oh okay

i assume thats the thing i need to use my single piece of azurite on

since i havent seen anything else really relevant that needs azurite

wowi use the word assume way too much

[unreal flame]

lol

[rotund citrus]

Speaking for that, how are you supposed to get the ||Nanocarbon|| for that upgrade anyway?

[lethal crest]

i have got no idea

thats why i was worried

rn im trying to make a depth module for the seamoth cause i lost the one from the aurora (died)

[unreal flame]

That’s one of the harder challenges for people to actually work out

I’ve been trying to find a solution to at least make it more obvious

[lethal crest]

Yay

[rotund citrus]

The bioprocessor is quite power-hungry
Understatement of the century, I can't even craft luminol yet :(

Oh well, I only needed the Perimeter Defence to get into the Crash Zone so I could start building my base anyway

[lethal crest]

I have been procrastinating building more bases

i only have one above the jellyshroom caves rn but i want one in the bulb zone and sparse reef

[unreal flame]

Good, do it

[worthy plume]

the pda tell me that i miss something in the jellyshroom cave but i explore it like crazy without finding anything else than the base in it

[rotund citrus]

My current bases are:

• Safe Shallows (starter base for getting resources)
• NW Mushroom Forest / Dunes border (Safe Dunes entry)
• Bulb Zone / NE Mushroom Forest / Mountains borders
• Grand Reef / Sparse Reef
• Grassy Plateaus / Crash Zone border (checkpoint base for the next one, which is...)
• Crash Zone (main base, in the process of setting up)

[lethal crest]

you clearly missed something because i've fully explored it

Which things do you have explored?

like whats written down there

[rotund citrus]

Try scanning some things in the Cave :)

[lethal crest]

yeah that

[worthy plume]

hmm, ok im gonna try

[rotund citrus]

Okay, this probably isn't a C2C thing, but since when could Bonesharks attack a Seamoth that's docked?

[loud python]

I think it's a vanilla thing

[lethal crest]

chat

i survived with 8

that was going to be extremely painful if i had to make the seamoth and upgrade again

[loud python]

The upgrade is the problem, imo

[rotund citrus]

And that is why I waited for Perimeter Defense before taking my Seamoth into the Crash Zone!

[lethal crest]

I was in the dunes

Well i was leaving the dunes

but then Reaper Leviathan used Burrow and went through the blood kelp trench walls and got me

[rotund citrus]

Wouldn't be the first time!

[lethal crest]

i seriously hate the mountain island cave becasue of the fear that the reaper will go through the island and get me while im in there

but im missing something at the mountain island and i need to find it

[rotund citrus]

Don't worry, it's fine~!

Besides, if it is in there, there's nothing you can do except tank the hit anyway!

[upper dock]

actual #1 reason to want a 2.0 update is so you can use Solid Terrain with C2C

(I jest, but)

[lethal crest]

pretty

[unreal flame]

Keep looking

[lethal crest]

Do those things move or will they stay there

i always forget how bad bone sharks are until i encounter them again

[rotund citrus]

Oh yeah, speaking of solid terrain and the Mountains: Where is the ||Sunbeam Debris||? There's nothing there at the scan markers for them.

[lethal crest]

i like the changes to food in this game

i got eye stalks and didnt read it and just ate a bunch caues the nutrition was good and died for it lmao

i settled for a base in the crag field so i can send drones to the grand reef and crash zone and its also safe with alot of materials, just wanna explore it overall

[rotund citrus]

Huh, never tried the Eye Stalks! I did eat the Gel Sacks and Bulb Bush Samples, though. So what do the Eye Stalks do?

[lethal crest]

You get slowed, and vomit up all the stuff you just ate so you get nothing from it

[trail ether]

basically I converted it from cartesian coordinates to spherical coordinates

specifically for this purpose, ie making people not constantly slewing around

becauase that strongly negatively correlates with ability to see and notice things

[trail ether]

provided it was not me being stupid reckless or something

[trail ether]

"even" - luminol is one of the most power-hungry recipes

[unreal flame]

I wonder if it’d be possible to list a recipe’s power requirement

[trail ether]

in my "main" C2C playthrough I built the main base in the red grass area, not far from pod 17, then built satellite bases next to the aurora, in the grand reef under the south ghost leviathan, in the tree cove, in the dunes, and in the mountains; in december I skipped the grand reef one since it was largely unneeded (it was mostly a scanner room outpost)

[trail ether]

reapers never kill a seamoth in a single attack

the sea dragon can but that is it

[unreal flame]

This system’s always been rather buggy

[trail ether]

though people warn of that I have never actually seen it happen, even secondhand

[trail ether]

plankton despawns over time, but new ones will spawn

[trail ether]

that was a joke feature idea too

but I liked it

so I made Ecocean make many more things edible, but not alwaysa...safely

some of the effects are not really a big deal

[unreal flame]

Can’t remember, was that part of the “make FCS alcohol make you drunk” joke?

[trail ether]

eg the hallucination

[trail ether]

no that was aseparate thing

[trail ether]

there is also some Natura Nether Berry stuff going on with a few where they have an immediate negative effect but a longer-lasting positive one

Eye Flame cores are a good example

[trail ether]

https://youtu.be/5NnGaRpBYhY

and for clarity the motion wobble is not me doing that, I literally apply a randomly varying delta to player input controls

as if you are, well, drunk

[lethal crest]

It happened to me once in that cave, and one time it nearly happened while i was in the aurora laboratory, the reaper stuck its head through the wall

I think for it to happen the reaper has to already be inside of the ground and then spot you since terrain is solid if youre close to it

[lethal crest]

persistent reapers

would be cool for that run

[upper dock]

Yep, that's the cause

terrain collision doesn't load until you're fairly close to it, so if you're in a specific range where the reaper is loaded but the collision isn't they can go through the wall

[shell drift]

I'm pretty sure there's a mod called Solid Terrain by MrPurple6411 that extends terrain collision range to prevent reapers from noclipping

[upper dock]

It's 2.0 only as best as I can tell

(also is heavy on performance)

[shell drift]

No there's a legacy version as well

Although it is harder to find since a lot of MrPurple's older mods are privated on nexus

[upper dock]

usually this just results in them getting popped out of the wall. I had a really funny instance of this where the bulb-zone-adjacent reaper swam slightly into a hill, and then when I got close enough it got rocketed out at mach 5 so I just heard a reaper roar for 1 second as it flew past and assumedly despawned, because I never actually saw it again

[rotund citrus]

Oh god, More Leviathan Spawns and Persistent Reapers would be too much.

Two hyperaggressive Reapers at a time is bad enough, let alone... like, four.

I've tried setting PR high before, it's hopeless.

[lethal crest]

persistent reapers makes me not want to leave my habitat