SeaToSea

[gilded nova]

but i feel like what it shows was def out of range

[trail ether]

Exscansion increases the max range to 600

[gilded nova]

aah

[gilded nova]

finally growbed

time to make 4 full beds of acid mushrooms

[loud python]

I always cheat and give myself the blueprint for the multipurpose room from day 1

Makes the game better

[bitter monolith]

it is an excited scream. i love checklists!

[gilded nova]

if i want to move my save to another pc is there anything else apart from SNAppData that i need to move assuming ijust install the mods regularly there again?

[trail ether]

yes - the QMods folder

and not just to move the mods

DI and my other mods often save data in their install dirs

[gilded nova]

thx

[bitter monolith]

what sort of data is saved in this way..? this might explain funkiness when i fully replace all the mod files with a fresh download..! xD

[trail ether]

the persistence system for example

like machine state saving

and the sunbeam debris cache

and now the tracker for that page i showed yesterday

[trail ether]

working on an overhaul to nuclear reactors

assigning a capacity and max PPS to each fuel

and made the reactor work on each slot independently https://i.imgur.com/4dmjqSP.jpg

4.16666 was the old max PPS of the reactor in vanilla

now you can get 4x that by putting in four rods, but all four will burn down simultaneously https://i.imgur.com/A9l5c9n.jpg

this system also will allow me to do things like add "burns hot and fast" type rods, for quick power infusions, or long-lived ones

[frank scaffold]

Hey @trail ether

I think there is a way for you to add an emergency oxygen supply to your own mod for bases

[trail ether]

???

[frank scaffold]

So you know how you made the special oxygen tank that uses the purple liquid

To let you breathe as long as the tank continues some of the liquid

What if you could run that liquid into the base for when it floods

[gilded nova]

Ic2 reactor Designs in subnautica when

[trail ether]

no

[barren oar]

big impact radiation accident

oops i just killed the ecosystem my bad

[unreal flame]

advanced reprocessing that gives different rods

plutonium time

[trail ether]

i could do that too

there is only one major limitation here: you cannot swap active rods

so if you put all four rods in and then decide you need a big power boost you would have to build a new nuclear reactor, even if temporarily

you could not take out the old rods to put in new ones

while i could lift that requirement it creates new issues because the "amount used" is not a property of the fuel item, but of the reactor

in vanilla the reactor just keeps track of how many energy units it has produced and every X amount consumes a rod

in my impl i track each slot separately, but it is still the same core principle

[barren oar]

what if you could destroy one of the fuel rods to make space

so if you dont plan out correctly (dont build a second nuclear reactor as a backup) and need the power right now with not enough materials to make a new reactor, it could dispose (presumably safely) of one of its rods, freeing up the slot

Alternatively Just Add A Fuel Remaining Component To Cells Lol

[civic grotto]

I had to fresh install subnautica, and I forgot how to add mods again lol

[shell drift]

You probably wanna go to #❓┃help-and-support for that

[trail ether]

it would not be persistent

[barren oar]

with a custom save system that references its id yes it would be persistent

[trail ether]

https://i.imgur.com/sIlUNNr.jpg https://i.imgur.com/IOszsNK.jpg

it does feel a bit silly to say it is nuclear fuel with these decidedly non-nuclear materials, but this game does not have any nuclear resources besides uranium

[pastel slate]

Hey exscansion was flagged by chrome since it might be “hacked”, should I just go forward

[shell drift]

Oh yeah my chrome marks alot of Reika's mods as "suspicious downloads", dw abt it you're fine

[pastel slate]

Sweet

Haven’t played in a while and my old c2c file was acting weird too when I deleted it off vortex hope I didn’t f sum up

[trail ether]

https://i.imgur.com/fCmdryW.jpg https://i.imgur.com/pCKFrGM.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/56J7W49.jpg https://i.imgur.com/4YxVj2L.jpg https://i.imgur.com/aZh9zF1.jpg https://i.imgur.com/l0qDIVU.jpg https://i.imgur.com/vRb3tfH.jpg

[frank scaffold]

@trail ether will your mods ever be on 2.0

[gilded nova]

Is Mob agressiveness somehow buffed? I swear everything tries to kill me so hard lok

[trail ether]

certain species are more aggressive under certain conditions

[loud python]

I think i've finally defeated my fear of reapers, thanks to c2c forcing exposure therapy on me for so long

They're just missunderstood sea puppies after all

[pastel slate]

Can I get a hint on where to go from? ||I’ve got a Mk3 seamoth dearth rating, still can’t find avolite, no idea on how to get nano carbon, and don’t know how to mine iridium since I need a prawn suit to get iridium||

[loud python]

Oh boy, my pet stalkers are growing fast. Look at the size of that

[loud python]

||1. Mountains.
2. Look for fireballs falling from the sky.
3. Beats me, haven't reached that stage yet.||

[pastel slate]

2. ||I’ve seen the sunbeam fall outs the sky a couple times, and just sat for 30minutes waiting for another one||

That’s what I figure you mean at least

[pastel slate]

Anyway I’ve looked all over the general area on where I think the wreckage will be but I can’t find it for the life of me

[loud python]

||It's in the mountains. I recommend you get a scanner room and scan for "Sunbeam debree", one of the debree pieces will be avolite, once you scan it you can then scan for avolite only.||

I'm a bit confused about the liquid breathing system

Do you only get 150 seconds and must recharge at a base?

[pastel slate]

You can hop in a vehicle to charge it back up

[loud python]

So you equip it when you leave the vehicle at unequip it when you get back in, right?

Oh

That makes more sens

sense

Does the vehicle need a module to recharge it?

hmmm

[pastel slate]

No

[loud python]

Do you put the breathing liquid in the vehicle's storage then?

[pastel slate]

No

Just put it on and get back in the vehicle to recharge it

The pack has the fluid in it it just can’t use it all at once

[loud python]

Ahhh

AHHHH

[pastel slate]

You put the fluid in the recharger that’s in the base

[loud python]

Ok, I get it

[pastel slate]

Fill the pack up

[loud python]

That makes a lot more sense

[pastel slate]

And ur good to go

Cool

[loud python]

I feared Reika would be a total sadist

[pastel slate]

If I were you just stick with the normal pack outside of 500+ diving

Also the liquid rebreather is better than the normal rebreather and negates the huge O2 loss past 400m

[loud python]

ok. I think i'm ready for the ||biome beyond the crater's edge|| then.

[pastel slate]

Well

Fair warning, nothing can rly hurt you, just don’t dive too deep

[loud python]

Liquid breathing system, depth module, ||the module that should theorically stop ghosts from killing me (which wasn't working so well when I got the data box),|| anything else I need?

[pastel slate]

||ghosts don’t bother you much in the void spikes, the rebreathing system is necessary, sonar is useless if you wanna swap it for a storage module, and the ore is way farther down than where the biome starts||

[loud python]

I'm more afraid of getting there.

[pastel slate]

And real quick, where did you set that scanning room at? My base is in the grand reef (maxed scanner) and wondered if that’s too far away to pick up the dept is

*depris

[loud python]

Can't be worse than|| glass forest ||though, that place is unfair and stupid and I don't like it

[shell drift]

Keep the lights off, and spend as little time out of the vehicle as possible to not attract anything

[pastel slate]

Real

That red eyed b and screw off

[loud python]

||The one for Avolite?
Mountains, i think 4 pieces are in range of the scanner if you build the scanner room on the alien moonpol||

haven't found the others, haven't really tried since I have no real use for ||the stasis rifle.|| Reapers are sea puppies and ghosts are easy to evade.

[pastel slate]

That’s really weird, because whenever I looked for the debris it looks like it falls in the dunes

[loud python]

That might have been the problem, it's hard to tell if the light is on in the void

[loud python]

No, you're confusing the two debrees

[pastel slate]

Wat

There are 2????

[loud python]

The fireballs that keep falling throughout the game are form the Aurora, ||that's for the nanocarbon.||

The subneam debree ||spawns after the cutscene, and is only found in the mountains.||

And that second one is for the ||Avolite||

[pastel slate]

I went to all three of those wrecks in the dunes and you’re telling me there’s probably more stuff in them?

[loud python]

No. The fireballs don't create wrecks

[pastel slate]

Oh

[loud python]

They just spawn the ||nanocarbon|| slighly below the water, where they fall. It floats kind of like ||lumenshroom oil||, but it disappears quickly.

I wish they remastered SN with this mod as default, but i'm realizing it's waaaay to complex for the casual player lol

[pastel slate]

Ya

I have another question, just to see if you have this one thing

[loud python]

shoot

[pastel slate]

Do you have the ||rock crusher||?

[loud python]

Afraid not.

[pastel slate]

Hm

Then prawn suit is still a mystery

[loud python]

I'm just only preparing to start diving below 500m

[pastel slate]

Have fun

[loud python]

Oh yeah, 20,000 fragments needed

[pastel slate]

But make sure the liquid breathing is charged

[loud python]

Yup

[loud python]

Well

That was terrifying

[pastel slate]

Ya

[bitter monolith]

good news, if you got enough of the material, you dont ever have to go back

[sudden raven]

can i update the files without damaging my progres

[bitter kraken]

(already answered in #🎮┃mod-discussion)

[loud python]

Yes

[gilded nova]

But isnt that advice wrong? Pretty Sure reika Said He does save some stuff in the qmods folder so replace existing should be safer than deletinf

[bitter kraken]

Hm. I mean besides the configs what is being saved? And im sure (or at least hope) that its some temp data, because anything that is being saved per subnautica save should be saved in a subnautica save itself

[gilded nova]

See from here

@bitter kraken

[bitter kraken]

Why reika 😭
I really hope that its unneccesary data

[trail ether]

well i guess now i know why people have been reporting things like the liquid breathing machine forgetting how much fluid it has stored

[bitter kraken]

Are you really storing that sort of data in the mod's folder?
PLEASE do that in save's folder. A lot of mods are doing that even for small things

[trail ether]

https://i.imgur.com/fOzV2Cv.png

[pastel slate]

I delete mine from vortex and then drag and drop the new downloads from the browser, no problems

[loud python]

I'm a bit confused, how do you use the ||enzyme 42 traces? ||I have the flask but idk how to actually use it.

[pastel slate]

I figured they’re probably used in the containment unit to clear fish disease

[loud python]

I thought you'd use it to remove the penalty from using the liquid breathing system

[pastel slate]

Also, does anyone know how long the periods in between aroura chunks falling from the sky is

[pastel slate]

Good thought

Can you put it in the liquid breathing station?

Maybe like a temporary upgrade to use the entire thing?

[loud python]

I can, but it doesn't get consumed and it doesn't seem to do anything

[pastel slate]

Darn

What happens when you drop it outside?

Is it just the bottle or does it look like what the baby emperors produce

[loud python]

Not much

[pastel slate]

Maybe in the bio processor?

Nvm abt that one there would probably be a recipe for something if so

[loud python]

I made it in the bioprocessor

I thought i'd just be able to drink it or something

[pastel slate]

Oh ya

Maybe in the hatching enzymes for later use

Which in that case we wait till end game

[loud python]

I threw two poor live peepers into the blender for this?

[pastel slate]

Also

Womp womp to the peepers

[loud python]

No idea

they might be random

[loud python]

Wonderful. I used repulsion cannon inside a seabase, it magically yeeted my seamoth that was outside, and it blew up

10/10. Thanks, unknown worlds

[loud python]

Do i ever actually need a prawn suit?

or rather, will I?

The last seamoth upgrade goes as deep as you need to go.

[bitter monolith]

it cannot mine the large resource deposits though

[bitter monolith]

i would say it is quite long, but it is unlikely to hold you up if you dont have the material it provides

i think there are only a few recipes that use it and they arent until late-mid-game, really

[bitter monolith]

its an ingredient for another recipe

in the medical section of the modification station

[pastel slate]

Cyclops

I need a sea hummer

[pastel slate]

Also cause I don’t wanna have to wait forever end game to get a shield generator

[bitter monolith]

true enough

well, the good news is you only need 2

what ive noticed is that if the ||noise of the debris falling is not very loud and you dont hear the splash it might be too far away to retrieve in the time before it despawns||

[loud python]

I'm like 50 hours into the game

I want a new vehicle

I hope I get the prawn suit soon

[loud python]

So i need to go wreck searching again, don't i?

[bitter monolith]

quite possibly. i straight recommend a map mod to keep track of ones youve already searched, makes things so much easier

[signal karma]

Does anyone know where the vehicle fabricator thing ?

Or hint on where is it?

I tried to find cave system where it apperently sit at 80m

And it give warning about volcanic activity

[sudden raven]

#1147624004648186009 message look up here

shouldnt the seamoth require reinforced glass instead of normal?

[bitter monolith]

C2C isnt hard enough for wildgot, it seems. apparently it needs a 'hardcore' mode where resources disappear after two minutes if not used, or something

[sudden raven]

yuh

im built diffrent

but fr tho it just feels of when it costs normal glass

[bitter monolith]

normal glass can be strong, like pyrex for instance

the seamoth doesnt go that deep on the base recipe

applying realism wont work out well in the end though lol

[sudden raven]

true

i was just thinking that aquariums needs reinforced glas

so that would make sense if the seamoth needed it to

[trail ether]

that is an oversight

[sudden raven]

wdym

[bitter monolith]

i think the vanilla recipe for the aquarium is normal glass

[sudden raven]

it is

but not in c2c

[civic grotto]

Anyone else think warpers are overtuned? I never really noticed until I had to go to all the biomes theyre in with C2C

[bitter monolith]

how do you mean?

theyre annoying to be sure, but a few whacks with a thermoblade will send em off

[upper dock]

They also get absolutely owned by the repulsion cannon

[civic grotto]

oh true, I gotta get me one of those

[civic grotto]

Man building in bulb zone is so rough

[signal karma]

Is the alterra fabricator vehicle thing actually those drone thing?

[loud python]

Warpers are genuinely scary in C2C

[civic grotto]

What’s different about them?

[loud python]

No idea

probably they're the same but I'm not afraid of reapers anymore

I think Reika just added a bunch of warpers near wrecks to make life difficult, because I don't remember so many

[shell drift]

Or maybe you've never been to these wrecks often in vanilla and are maybe just noticing them now that you'll be spending time in areas that aren't as useful/important in vanilla?

[loud python]

Yeah. That could be it too

Can anyone throw a hint about where to find ||the whatever it is you use to alleviate the khara infections in your lungs||?

[bitter monolith]

the only real penalty is reduced efficiency with the liquid breathing, its not a huge problem tbh

[loud python]

No way, without that thing oxygen barely lasts a minute

if that long

[unreal flame]

||who else investigated the kharaa?||

[loud python]

||I've been chasing the bastard around but I can't find anything! I got all three bases, PDA does say there's something on the floating islands that I can't find for whatever reason.||

But i was in the right track then, I just need to insist, stubbornly

ty

[unreal flame]

||who else?||

[signal karma]

how do i made hull plating😭

[slender stone]

after the last 2-3 updates there are again terrible lags on wreck2, wreck5, etc. it’s impossible to play

[signal karma]

Where are mercury ore spawn?

[loud python]

You're going to get a radio transmission that will lead you to the recipe as you progress the story. You're extremely unlikely to find it on your own, unless you're kind of insane.

[loud python]

Semi-openly in one of the surface biomes. It's not too hard to find but I recommend a scanner room when you do, else you might end up serching for it in a place that certainly has a lot of it, but will probably kill you.

[signal karma]

No spoiler on what biome?

Give me spoiler or something im desperate

[loud python]

You're not desperate enough to look into every surface biome. That is not true desperation.
Tag me back when you've been trying to find out how the fuck to alliviate the khaara symptoms after like 8 hours of not finding anything. Maybe by that time i'll have found out lol.

No, really man. It's pretty in the open. Take your time and explore each biome. You have to, anyway.

[signal karma]

Oh waut

Im still too used to exploring specific biome

[pastel slate]

I live very close to the dunes, I’ve heard it three times and haven’t heard it since

Does the cyclops suffer the same problems the seamoth does in the lost river?

[shell drift]

yup

any vehicle of any kind does

[loud python]

Nah. It's worse

[pastel slate]

Mm

[loud python]

Because apparently lost river sucks the neregy out of all the power cells simultaneously

In for 1 minute? lost 30% on all of your power cells in addition to the normal power loss

insanity

[pastel slate]

Figured maybe not cause the power cells are inside and not outside

[loud python]

no

the power cells could even be in your inventory, apparently,

and the drain still happens

To be fair there's a PDA that tells you that's the case

[pastel slate]

I tried and was sad when that happened to me

And can I get a hint on the ||rock crusher||? Ik where to get a special metal I just can’t mine it with out that build

[unreal flame]

Needing a hint on how to use it?

||think back to how you found the databox for it||

[bitter monolith]

most metals can also be found as individual ores on the edges of caves and whatnot. which one areyou needing?

[signal karma]

||what i need to do at ecologial anomaly thing?||

I already confused on where to go first😭

||should i try to visit the wreck that i think fell down near floating island?||

||after going to lifepod 15 and picked up the pda i hear "signal uploaded to pda" and when i check the map i dont see any new signal, am i going crazy or something||

[trail ether]

🎄

[signal karma]

Does the sunbeam wreck is located in void just near the big gun or what?

[unreal flame]

It’s not in the void, no

[signal karma]

||does that one transmission where it says it detected a large rock arch prob mean dunes ?||

[pastel slate]

no, where to get it, shouldve been more specific

[pastel slate]

the special one needed from the dunes meteor

[unreal flame]

The ||rock crusher can’t be used on the meteorite||

[normal frigate]

Is c2c known to be laggy

still testing but

3060 and a 7 2700x and 24 gigs of ram

barely able to run 60 fps

ill test sometime tmr

[shell drift]

Yeah my game has been really laggy as I play, I also have the FCS suite of mods installed and one of my worlds is UNPLAYABLY LAGGY!! (As in FPS drops)

[normal frigate]

probably bc subnautica is not the best for performance but

what do i know

the game is pretty old at this point

December 2014

🥲

[unreal flame]

it's the magnet code probably

[normal frigate]

??

[unreal flame]

sea to sea makes some objects magnetic, but determining which things a magnetic object will pull itself toward has a performance overhead

[shell drift]

Is there an option to disable this?

[unreal flame]

i'd say there should be, since it's a completely inconsequential feature that spawned from me making a joke

[craggy folio]

please don't judge me for asking this - do console cheats still work for this mod?

and is there an idiot's guide for installing - I've got the legacy version downloaded on steam

[unreal flame]

yes

though ideally you shouldn't need them unless a bug screws something up

[unreal flame]

do you know how to install QMM?

[craggy folio]

ah, I've got it, thank you. I'm in!

only thing that seems weird is I have 2 unread items in my PDA on the databank tab but I can't see anything that's unread?

[shell drift]

Yeah that happens, dw about it

[unreal flame]

might be related to the discovery logs

pay it no mind

[craggy folio]

i shall not then...ty!

[signal karma]

From my 10 hour play trough 8 of them are trying to look for new transmission

[bitter monolith]

what transmission

[signal karma]

im going insane

[bitter monolith]

again, what are you looking for

[bitter monolith]

don't forget to vote for your favorite modder before the 31st! ;D
https://submodica.xyz/moty

[signal karma]

How am i supposed to make electrochemical suit when lasser cutter requires mercury ore,not quite sure where the dunes wreck were

[unreal flame]

by finding mercury ore

[bitter monolith]

do this

1. reveal the entire map
2. explore all wrecks
3. read all pda entries
   just about all your questions will be answered

[normal frigate]

could anyone help me?

c2c has been lagging my game and ray suggested i removed it

still lots of lag tho

i have a ryzen 7 2700x

rtx 3060

and 24 gigs of ram

[loud python]

c2c causes some serious lag under specific circumstances

some wrecks, particularily the "U" shaped ones, lag like a motherfucker

Once your seabeses are big (I think this is triggerd by having more than 1 ACU), if you load the game and you start in your base, you get a stutter every 2-3 seconds

Oddly enough, if you save while away from your base, and reload, the stutter goes away, even if you return to your seabase

[loud python]

You can get mercury ore much earlier than you require the electrochemical suit

If you're wondering how to get azurite without the electrochemical suit... well....

First aid kits

A lot of first aid kits

I think every 2 azurite will require about 3 first aid kits more or less

You only need 1 battery to make the laser cutter though, and once you have that you can go for the electrochemical suit if you know where to find it

[loud python]

Are you saying Reika made her mod laggy af as a joke?

[shell drift]

NO WAY IT ACTUALLY WORKED

I've been dealing with that kind of lag for a while now

so much so that I ended 3 different worlds because of it

I never knew the solution was so simple 🥹

[trail ether]

i noticed a huge lag spike when first loading while inside a base

but never this intermittent lag

[loud python]

lol

btw

how do you use the rock crusher

What am I missing?

[shell drift]

It uh... has to go in the machine, you gotta push it IN

[loud python]

Like this?

Sorry, bit dark

[shell drift]

just launch the damn titanium into the machine and if you hear machine noises you did it right

[unreal flame]

power?

[loud python]

Neat!

Yeah, i was too far from the base

[normal frigate]

nice

whats the laggiest out of all of reikas mods?

idrk what to choose

somehow one of the mods is detroying my fps

i uninstalled c2c and get 10 fps extra

[loud python]

All of the mods are needed, from what i understand

they don't do much without each other

and they all seem to be support mods for c2c

if you remove c2c, you might as well remove everything

[upper dock]

nah, even without C2C the individual mods do a lot

C2C is kinda the sauce in the middle that strings them all together and reworks the game around them

without it they're just neat addons

[slender stone]

@trail ether 1. Question about the "ResourceMonitor" mod

This can be corrected by adding the mod "NoBattery" (The mod removes batteries and power supplies from crafted tools and vehicles). However, in c2c, the laser cutter and stasis cannon are made with azurite batteries, and are not affected by this mod. Could you make sure that these tools are made with regular batteries, so as not to produce 100500 azurite batteries?

[bitter monolith]

have you confirmed that the azurite batteries get duplicated..?

[slender stone]

2. Another such moment - with the help of BrainCoral or on a surface where you can breathe freely, the oxygen cylinder is filled automatically. Is it possible to do something like the "RefillableOxygenTanks" mod, where you need to refill the cylinders manually (over 45 initial units), which seems more like the truth.

[slender stone]

3. You can also add chips from the "BetterScannerBlips" mod to the "Exscansion" mod (the distance to the target is shown and automatic scaling depending on this distance. additionally, use a keyboard shortcut to temporarily toggle them on and off.)

[trail ether]

I am not changing the recipes

and I used ResourceMontior and never had it spawning batteries

[gilded nova]

im lagging hard in wrecks even with 4090

[gilded nova]

what map mod is this would you recommend playing with map on

[bitter monolith]

i would, for the primary purpose of being able to see where youve already been and check off wrecks. id go insane trying to keep track without one

pretty sure its just called SubnauticaMap

[loud python]

Ok, i'm desperate at this point

I've spent too many hours looking for a damn way to explore the lost river, but I can't fix my lungs nor find a way to insulate my vehices vs. power loss

Please someone give me a pointer 😦

[shell drift]

you don't need a way to recharge to be found for you, perhaps you create the solution yourself

[loud python]

||Are seabases affected by the power drain? Can I resort to building a really long tube for oxygen?||

[shell drift]

No, No.

[loud python]

AH god dammit

Let me think about that

[bitter monolith]

show me your map

[loud python]

Just downloaded it, so it's not complete lol

I found what I needed.

Turns out I wasn't missing anythign, except that I was supposed to go into the damn place without preparation

[civic grotto]

can you send me that mod?

[signal karma]

Is there a way to reduce glass biome density or something

[signal karma]

Just type "map" on nexus mod submautica and you will find it

[signal karma]

This is the laggiest part of the mod lol

[silent marsh]

Yo @trail ether , is there a reason that your mods don't mention each other in the mod.json dependencies list? We get people turning up in help and support who have missed one of your mods and can't figure out from the log what went wrong - if you add the mods to the dependencies in the mod.json, qmm will print the missing dependency in the log in a more human-readable format than:

QModManager:ERROR] System.Reflection.TargetInvocationException: Exception has been thrown by the target of an invocation. ---> System.IO.FileNotFoundException: Could not load file or assembly 'Auroresource, Version=0.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=null' or one of its dependencies.
  at ReikaKalseki.SeaToSea.SeaToSeaMod.PreLoad () [0x0000d] in <950e97dd467b41e7af1f3e07030c7f15>:0 
  at (wrapper managed-to-native) System.Reflection.MonoMethod.InternalInvoke(System.Reflection.MonoMethod,object,object[],System.Exception&)
  at System.Reflection.MonoMethod.Invoke (System.Object obj, System.Reflection.BindingFlags invokeAttr, System.Reflection.Binder binder, System.Object[] parameters, System.Globalization.CultureInfo culture) [0x00032] in <567df3e0919241ba98db88bec4c6696f>:0 
   --- End of inner exception stack trace ---
  at System.Reflection.MonoMethod.Invoke (System.Object obj, System.Reflection.BindingFlags invokeAttr, System.Reflection.Binder binder, System.Object[] parameters, System.Globalization.CultureInfo culture) [0x00048] in <567df3e0919241ba98db88bec4c6696f>:0 
  at System.Reflection.MethodBase.Invoke (System.Object obj, System.Object[] parameters) [0x00000] in <567df3e0919241ba98db88bec4c6696f>:0 
  at QModManager.Patching.QModPatchMethod.TryInvoke () [0x00034] in <17412a3abc4a4e4196c5a94d73183573>:0

It will also stop qmm from even attempting to load the mod if it's dependencies aren't installed.
At the minute your mod.json specifies the other mods as "LoadAfter", which is intended for optional dependencies. Why not instead specify them in the "Dependencies" array, which will have the same effect (your mod will load after them) but also mark them as requirements for your mod to qmm?

It will also make it possible for 3rd party tools (vortex, QMod SAM, etc.) to inform the user that they're missing a dependency

[trail ether]

two reasons: 1) QMM is deprecated and will be dropped for 2.0 so this is not really worth a lot, and 2) I was specifically told that marking mods as dependencies, due to a QMM bug, made your mod load first

[silent marsh]

The assemblies are loaded in the correct order, but the patch method of yours runs first

It's not a bug but a design feature of qmm because of how qmm and sml worked. There's a way around it tho

(if you asked me it's a flawed design feature but yeah)

I understand it may not be worth it to you, since you plan to move to 2.0 (and this is great).
But please consider that in the meantime, users who have missed a mod will have a hard time figuring out the log error and will either give up, or end up in help and support channels

So it would be worth it to us lol

Of course there will still be people who miss a mod and end up in help and support either way, but if the log message about the error is more human-readable, at least some of them will be able to figure it out themselves x)

(or with 3rd party tools)

Anyway the way around it if patch method order is important is to make use of pre- and post-patch annotations

https://github.com/SubnauticaModding/QModManager/wiki/Pre-&-Post-Patching-with-Attributes-(Advanced)

So for example you could pretty much just swap "LoadAfter" for "Dependencies" in seatosea's mod.json, and swap its [QModPatch] attribute for a [QModPostPatch] attribute and be done

(assuming you're not already using post-patch, if you are then it gets more complicated)

[trail ether]

the average user cannot even find the log, and the ingame error will be the red "mod could not be loaded" with no reason either way

so either way the user will be asking why

[silent marsh]

With a button to open the log

Which users do click

[trail ether]

that button exists now

[silent marsh]

It has existed a long time

And isn't going away

[trail ether]

not what i mean

[silent marsh]

Since qmm isn't getting updated 😛

[trail ether]

my point is that the error people get right now has that button and the overwhelming majority either do not click it or do not read the log it opens

searching the log for error A is no less work than searching for error B

[silent marsh]

This is a hypothesis, not based on experience

I'm an active mod support staff in the help and support channels and from my experience, people DO try to understand the log and end up in help and support when they can't

The reason I'm bringing it up is we just had (another) such case

If you don't want to do it then don't do it, I'm just asking you to consider it because in the meantime it's more support cases for us 🙂

And like I said, 3rd party tools can also parse the mod.json

[trail ether]

no, it is based on experience

[silent marsh]

They can also parse the log file, but most of them don't attempt this from what I've seen, and of course that's only useful after the fact.

[trail ether]

ten years of it

[silent marsh]

In the help and support channels?

[trail ether]

no of modding

[silent marsh]

Let's not get into a pissing contest

[trail ether]

and support when people invariably have issues

[silent marsh]

I asked politely there's no need for this

[trail ether]

??

for what

[silent marsh]

For argumentative responses

[trail ether]

...

all I said is that I know from experience that the overwhelming majority of people will not put in any attempt to decode the issue and will instead ask for help

in my MC mods most of the installation errors explicitly say at the top "this is not a mod bug, do not post it"

guess how often people post text saying not to post it

[silent marsh]

Yeah but my experience as someone who is actively helping users in help and support channels is we DO end up with users coming in who tried to read it and couldn't figure it out. So a human readable error message which qmm automatically prints when using the dependencies field, could help those particular users. That's all I'm saying.

[trail ether]

and in light of this I am not convinced that exchanging one error in the log for another will have any meaningful effect

[silent marsh]

And as I said, we just had another one of those users turn up 🙂

Alright well you do you

[trail ether]

and I am using post patch

extensively

overall this would be a huge pain in the ass for what I am confident is minimal gain

[silent marsh]

(for you)

Which is fair 🙂

Anyways it was just an ask, see you around

[trail ether]

pain in the ass for me and gain for anyone

[silent marsh]

Gain for help and support staff, gain for the people who do read the logs and are able to parse the more human readable error 🙂

Gain for people who do use the 3rd party tools 🙂

(which is a non-zero number)

Anyways, forget it. You have your reasons!

Anyways if you started with "it will be a huge pain in the ass because I'm already using post-patch," then it would have been a more reasonable conversation than replying immediately with essentially "no one reads the logs anyway" (which is not true) and being dismissive/argumentative about my request. It's likely the majority don't, it's not true nobody does, and it's not true that it would help no one. It IS likely that the majority probably wouldn't be helped, so that's fair 🙂
Was just asking to consider it, because it could potentially mean less support cases winding up in help and support. If it's a lot of effort though I understand - it just would have been useful to communicate that before being argumentative about whether people read logs or not (some do, that's why I asked, and I also made sure to communicate in a friendly tone that I understand that many people will still end up in help and support even if you do make the change).

[signal karma]

How tho?im being dead serious my 22 hour playtime 15 hour of those are looking for mercury ore

Im real desperate not joking i have been search around the map for it and the closest i could get was glass biome and its 500 meter underwater

I pretty much use scanner room camera

[bitter monolith]

||explore the biome with lifepod 12 in it||

[unreal flame]

solution: have a specific instruction appear if the mod fails to load due to dependency error in the meantime

[unreal flame]

there should have been an audio hint when you entered a certain biome

[loud python]

||Bulb zone||

[silent marsh]

where would this instruction appear?

bc adding this to qmm would require a sizable change to qmm, and qmm isn't being updated.

regardless, it wouldn't apply to this issue since qmm wouldn't be able to know it's a dependency error, bc the mods seatosea depends on aren't marked as dependencies by seatosea.

[trail ether]

DI has functionality to raise custom QMM error boxes, but even that would not help if the user failed to install DI

[silent marsh]

Indeed, I don't think the suggestion would work from either side.

Anyways it's not a big deal, just thought I'd ask if it would be possible without too much effort for you. If not, it's fine

🙂

[normal frigate]

i update qmm for u

💀

[civic grotto]

Will putting bladderfish in a bulb zone aquarium ruin its biome bonus?

[trail ether]

i do not think so

....yes

[civic grotto]

Darn

I thought those counted as all biome critters

[loud python]

Even peepers ruin biome bonuses

Reject the bladderfish tho, embrace|| the green farts ||as your source of hydration.

[unreal flame]

enzyme peepers do not, though

[civic grotto]

Best way to find your first falling meteor?

Come to think of it, I havent heard one in a long time

[civic grotto]

Also how does the grav collector work?

The items just seem to float near it?

[shell drift]

it's gotta connect to a nearby locker

[civic grotto]

How nearby?

[civic grotto]

you mean a floating locker?

[shell drift]

I'm not sure about that one, but it does connect to buildable wall lockers and floor lockers, I assume the range for locker connection is the same as the range for item pickup

[loud python]

play for 60 hours.

It just takes a fuckton of time

You won't need them until the very late game

And "Need" is a strong word.

[civic grotto]

I literally just want a cyclops

[loud python]

The cyclops is frankly quite useless by the time you can build it.

It's very disappointing

[civic grotto]

Damn, that is disappointing

[loud python]

My advice: cheat. Use console commands to get your cyclops early.

Makes the game much better

[civic grotto]

I was literally just going to suggest that

[civic grotto]

Think if I cheat for carbon it would take the difficulty out of it?

[loud python]

What I did was as soon as I got the recipie for hull plating, I gathered all the materals save for ||nickel|| and ||nanocarbon,|| and used nocost to build all I needed.

[loud python]

I wouldn't say getting that is difficult

It's just tedious

You just wait for RNGesus to spawn a falling debree close enough for you to get to it before it disappears

[civic grotto]

Honestly my biggest issue will probably be the honeycomb plating since I still haven’t found the seamoth mk 2 depth upgrade I can’t go to blood kelp to get it

[upper dock]

Seamoth mk2 depth upgrade can be obtained pretty much as soon as you get the mk1 upgrade

it's hard to find though

also yeah unfortunately the cyclops is pretty useless in C2C. Mostly just for ferrying resources from A->B since it has so much storage space

by the time you get it you're already approaching the point it's not useful any more

I dunno how that could be adjusted, if you move it too early it breaks seamoth progression

[civic grotto]

Honestly at the stage I’m at it makes it useful

[loud python]

I have an idea about that actually, full of spoilers tho

[loud python]

||Basically rework the seamoth sealant module into a cyclops one that is 100% efficient, and make it so seabases also lose power in the lost river, so the only way to explore the lost river is through the cyclops, and to get a vehicle to the lava zone you must transport it on the cyclops moonpol.||

That way the cyclops is absolutely necessary for a significant part of the game. You can't skip it and you must use it.

But ideally make it available earlier, still during the surface-biome resource gathering phase, because as a mobile base, it does wonders to eliminate the tedium of building outposts, gathering resources and then go back, since you can carry all the materials for outpost building in the lockers, so you save on all of the resources you have to gather for the outposts themselves.

[upper dock]

yeah ferrying building resources around was probably the single most annoying thing about C2C, you need a fairly large number of bases ideally and I would frequently have to make several seamoth trips

the cyclops makes that exponentially less of an issue, but by the time I got it I barely had anything left to build lol

(in terms of starting brand new bases, at least)

[unreal flame]

Exceptionally shit advice honestly

I do agree that the first nanocarbon needs to be easier to get, but I don’t think that’s the solution

[loud python]

I've had a lot of fun with my cyclops, I regret nothing

[shrewd gate]

This man I am replying to needs a promotion.

[bitter monolith]

yeah I feel like the build order of the cyclops materials could be adjusted to make for much more expansive gameplay earlier in the mid game. the recipes are a little contrary, and I really think the materials used for the MK1 or maybe MK2 module could be swapped out for the plating.

[unreal flame]

i remember reika putting together the first iteration of the tech/exploration tree for sea to sea and I can say the placement of each vehicle along that tree is 100% intentional

the intention was to increase the amount of time that the player needs to use the seamoth for

the cyclops definitely gets its own era to shine in, though. at least it did in my playthrough

prawn kinda gets shelved

like I said though, the difficulty of getting that first nanocarbon really is too much (and I did try to get reika to make the meteor scanner not require it)

[upper dock]

prawn seems to basically just be your victory lap in C2C

outside of like the 1 or 2 things you absolutely need it for it's kinda just "you did it now meme on the game"

[signal karma]

Why my benzene recipe wont show up after getting bloodil

Blood oil

[unreal flame]

you mean ||other than the literal word-for word victory lap?||

[bitter monolith]

im sure it was intentional, but as you say, that was at the beginning of C2C development, and this is feedback coming directly from several players

if there is no desire for adjusting the mod in a reasonable way, it will have to be acknowledged that players will use the console or mods to make it happen

[loud python]

The design of C2C feels like erasing all vehicles except for seamoth tbh

And while it has really increased my opinion of the seamoth, the seamoth is the least cool of the vehicles

Not saying that's a bad thing, i'm saying I enjoy the game more with my cyclops

I can't adjust the mod in any meaningful way to make room for the cyclops, so I used the console, which I know how to use. I'll probably do the same thing with the prawn suit tbh.

[bitter monolith]

the biggest drawback i noticed was the inability to change out modules on vehicles without being docked. there have been multiple times where i would have liked to take the seamoth to go out and do things, but between the hull and depth modules, there isnt much space left to do more than one job effectively. would have been nice to have a cyclops nearby i could dock at and swap modules quickly without going back to base

[loud python]

I've decided to ignore the existance of the seamoth depth module IV precicely because it seems to me there's no need for the prawn suit with that module.

[loud python]

Cyclops also helps a lot when forgetting to equip the right things. Going back to your cyclops is much less annoying than having to go back to your base.

It's just a huge QoL thing. It doesn't enable anything you can't do with the seamoth and it doesn't replace the seamoth.

[bitter monolith]

the real purpose of the prawn is the drill, there are a few resources in the game you need it for

[loud python]

I see no reason to gatekeep it for so long

[loud python]

By few I assume you mean "none".

The rock crusher is right there

[bitter monolith]

you need it for one particular resource which the rock crusher cannot harvest

[loud python]

ah

[bitter monolith]

the other one is simply to odeep to retrieve with seamoth

[bitter kraken]

I would imagine that the author wants us to make more bases, little and big ones, for different reasons
Also personally i actually really like not being in a prawn suit from the start of the game tbh. I now feel like having prawn suit too soon is just cheating, seeing as how powerful it is
I have not actually gained the prawn suit in the survival playthrough yet, so i dont know when i will actually get it. But it looks not really that far, unless the recipe for the prawn suit is just too bad

[bitter monolith]

prawn comes in at the right time

cyclops takes too long

[bitter kraken]

||The meteor and the lava things in the lava zone||

[bitter monolith]

oh i forgot the first one, that too

[loud python]

I haven't minded the prawn suit's absence so far. It's the cyclops that is gatekept too far down your playthrough

[bitter kraken]

Altho yes, i feel like with all the additions like the rock crusher and the depth module the prawn suit becomes a little bit useless, unless you really like moving in it instead of the seamoth, which some people do, but that is not enough. It needs more power somehow

[bitter monolith]

i am a 'backpacker' so i tend to travel with everything i need in the way of tools and supplies

[loud python]

Cyclops doesn't replace seamoth and just makes things very much more convenient. And you still need your main base and the bases/ouposts in reaper territory, so I don't think getting it earlier makes the mod lose anything

And to avoid replacing the prawn suit with the ultra seamoth except for those 2 things, i'm just ignoring the depth module IV and gving myself an early prawn if necessary for progression at that point.

That's a personal preference though

Nothing wrong with how the mod is right now.

[bitter monolith]

yes, thats the point of feedback, lol

[loud python]

I do have a lot of feedback, actually, but i'm waiting to finish the game.

Strongest feedback is "Cyclops go brr. Where is my brrr?"

[signal karma]

Do benzene recipe unlocked only trough databox again ?
I already got blood oil,but the benzene vlueprint didnt show up or work

[bitter monolith]

do you have all the other processing materials

[loud python]

Don't really remember finding a bezene recipie anywhere. I think you get it with the materials and the tech.

Have you unlocked the ||bioprocessor|| yet?

[bitter monolith]

from the comment history, it would seem geary is trying to do a lot of things out of order

[signal karma]

Yeah

[signal karma]

I still too used for looking for certain things

Im talking about going to specific biome

And not fully exploring it

Maybe in my second play trough after i beat this one i will try to do it correctly

I sometime forgot sea to sea encourages to explore map fully

[bitter monolith]

if youre not going to do it correctly, then just spawn in what you need

[unreal flame]

To encourage base building

[loud python]

That's fair

[unreal flame]

i do think the placements for each sub are reasonable, it's just that the prawn gets shafted by being at the tail end of the game

solution there? extend the endgame

[shell drift]

That's a cool idea! But how could Reika go about doing so? 🤔

[unreal flame]

i wasn't really meaning reika should do so

[loud python]

Do not leave the planet till you have punched every reaper to death. noted.

[bitter monolith]

I have built exactly zero more bases in C2C than I do in vanilla subnautica

I have one big sucker near the shallows (because center of the map) and then multiple scanner room bases in various biomes

The big draw of the cyclops in mid-game is storage. With a lack of storage, that just means you are ferrying resources far more often. Forcing more travel to do basic things is not a gameplay mechanic, it's a penalty

[loud python]

Personally, I don't find building "bases" fun.

1 big base with various ACUs, a huge garden, and areas dedicated to crafting? Yes

One big cool base is very fun. C2C does that really well. You need that one big base.

Small bases are fine too, just once or twice. I make one in the dunes and one in the mountains, mainly for ||azurite & avolite|| gathering. And I guess I have to make another in ||the Lost River too since it's the only way to explore it.|| I'll say that without a cyclops, making that base in ||the lost river||, would be hell.

[unreal flame]

i honestly found the lost river base gameplay loop pretty engaging

though that was pre-breathing nerf

[trail ether]

said nerf has minimal effect on gameplay

[gilded nova]

Arent hull Modules useless vs angry Fauna anyway or is that Changed in SEA to sea

[loud python]

Passive sonar is kinda useful, sometimes. Active sonar is absolutely useless tho. Kind of a trap item. Feels like a cruel joke.

Perimeter defense system still trivializes reapers making them borderline harmless so long as you're IN your seamoth when you get them.

Sound suppression module is useful in the grand reef and glass forest. Glass forest is still hell due to the bonesharks but not drawing the leviathan to you makes it more manageable.

I did finding the ability to not have to go back to the seabase to change modules really useful.

[spiral coyote]

Congrats on the honorable mention, Reika!

[trail ether]

?

[shell drift]

#📢┃server-news message

[trail ether]

oh

[signal karma]

||i found a 4rd old degasi base on the right side of aurora , is it part of the mod?||

[bitter kraken]

Yes

[near quarry]

I'm looking to use a pervious version of seatosea, as the current version doesn't want to work with a good portion of other mods, but I know the previous version did. Is there a way to go back to a pervious version?

[trail ether]

there is no such difference between versions

[near quarry]

Huh very strange, I wonder why it totally is crashing out my game then. I had it working perfectly with these same mods back in the summer months

[loud python]

C2C randomly crashes when loading

If you keep trying, it'll stop

[near quarry]

It did this and then also has a pop up saying it doesn't like 90% of the mod list I have installed

[trail ether]

the UI stack like that is caused by things failing during a specific period of loading

[near quarry]

Ok cause as soon as I take seatosea out of my mods it goes away. I'll grab the log and maybe people can help me figure that out because I have no clue where to look in the log

[near quarry]

Here's the log when I add seatosea

[cloud pollen]

i added a little section to terrain patcher's readme explaining how to install the legacy version. it mentions sea to sea by name lol. hopefully that helps with the issues i saw

[signal karma]

how do i open the cragfield wreck/

this one has databox inside it

but i cant seem to open it

[unreal flame]

known bug

just warpforward through it if the repair panel doesn't work tbh

[signal karma]

oh alr

[loud python]

Yeah, you're supposed to use the repair tool

But it often doesn't work

[trail ether]

and I cannot even debug it because it only affects some people and I am not one of them

[trail ether]

put this on pastebin or similar

[signal karma]

Does this mod actually planned to be converted to 2.0 or nah?

[normal frigate]

Reika has said no before

[shell cobalt]

Here's what Reika actually said #1147624004648186009 message

[brave fox]

guessing you can't put 2 enzyme host peepers in an ACU and get more right? need to get them from the vents?

[brave fox]

any hints on where to find the blueprint for the ||kharaa medication thing that lets you breathe?|| running out of ||breathing fluid|| and the blueprint for that seems to have been moved since i last played the mod too, no longer in the ||glass forest wreck|| also any hints for where to find ||nanocarbon?||

[unreal flame]

https://tenor.com/view/fr-lie-gif-9063740662564569899

[unreal flame]

either you'd get additional regular peepers, or they wouldn't do anything at all

and that'd probably be a basegame function

[loud python]

It's in an area you'd think you should already have it to explore. But no.

[brave fox]

any other hints? that doesn't narrow it down much xD

[normal frigate]

Ill find the message

It was a long while back

Cant find it

🤦‍♂️

[upper dock]

She said it's not coming to 2.0 until Nautilus is out of pre-release and she's happy with the current featureset

IIRC

[normal frigate]

ye

[muted thunder]

How do I deal with water pressure?

[unreal flame]

by making sure your insides aren't collapsible

[loud python]

There's a technology that helps you with that.

[deft remnant]

Hey is anyone else having performance issues in wrecks ONLY while using c2c?

[unreal flame]

known issue, unknown solution

[signal karma]

It prob has something to do with rendering system

[civic grotto]

Unfortunately, my insides are collapsible by virtue of being empty space

[unreal flame]

Gotta fill that space up with something then

[signal karma]

How does the mod mess with the wreck that caused the wreck thingy

[normal frigate]

Unknown solution = remove c2c and cry

😭

[gilded nova]

yes but general performance outside of wrecks also isnt the best there are occasional stutters still

[upper dock]

yeah C2C unfortunately runs significantly worse than vanilla for me, some areas just die like outside the jellyshroom caves and in wrecks

[mortal plaza]

Hey just wanted to report that my subnautica keeps freezing whenever i try to open it. this is the log with all the mods that are dependand and required by c2c to my knowlage

@trail ether

[unreal flame]

that doesn't look like the whole log

and definitely doesn't include any relevant error message

[bitter kraken]

Its a BepInEx logoutput. I feel like only qmod log contains truly everything

[normal frigate]

Also its legacy so thats expected

[mortal plaza]

this?

[unreal flame]

weird, I still don't see an error

what makes you think it's freezing?

[gilded nova]

do you by any chance tab out while starting the game? when i do that that happens for me

[mortal plaza]

whenever i start it up it just stops responding right away

[unreal flame]

how long are you giving it to start up?

[unreal flame]

also this

also, try not to make any inputs while a save is loading

[unreal flame]

being nonresponsive according to windows doesn't mean it's frozen

[mortal plaza]

well fuck

i think weve figured out why

im just inpatient af

[unreal flame]

yeah

but part of that is reika's mods lacking a proper asset bundle, which increases loadtime and instability at launch

[mortal plaza]

well thank you very much haha

[gilded nova]

does the map mod work properly with sea to sea?

[unreal flame]

Mostly

[upper dock]

It won't show new stuff IIRC, but the mod itself works fine

[unreal flame]

It actually can

The wrecks all show up as wrecks, whatever form they take

And map icons will largely show up correctly as well

[upper dock]

Huh, neat

[mortal plaza]

where do i find the mk2 seamoth depth module blueprint?

[trail ether]

where it exists

a place found by playing through the mod

and paying attention

[mortal plaza]

Nice

[warm cedar]

How does the ||metoer look like when it landed i cant find it||

[mortal plaza]

when do i get the radio signal from the lifepod 14?

[signal karma]

The last time i tried to find it using freecam, its look like texture for medpack removed, not quite sure if it is the

||meteor||

[open patio]

@Reika Someone on Reddit having an issue when running AlterraHub Not sure, I think I saw you mentioning making it compatible with C2C

[trail ether]

my guess is a partial FCS installation

[shrewd gate]

I assume version 0.4 for TerrainPatcher is the best compatible version for Sea2Sea, right?

[cloud pollen]

yes, it's mentioned in terrain patcher's readme (and on the submodica pages) that version 0.4 is the legacy-compatible version, for mods like sea to sea

• releases page for v0.4
• documentation for v0.4
  don't send me bug reports for stuff encountered on an old version of terrain patcher

[shrewd gate]

[signal karma]

||why i cant play lifepod 14 crew logs and mountain island crew log||

[shell drift]

No one's voiced them yet

[upper dock]

yeah, they don't have VA

[signal karma]

How do i use the seamoth scoop thingy

[unreal flame]

it functions automatically when installed in your seamoth

you can access it's inventory by interacting with the front of the seamoth (the area between the two "vents")

[signal karma]

besides some lifepods does the mod only made to make the entire story longer/

[normal frigate]

no its supposed to add exploration and more fun

and adventure

Also to make the game harder and to add new things

[shrewd gate]

Holy canola oil! 21 SCANS just for an item to get volcanic remnants or whatever it is?!

[upper dock]

Yeah, ||there's two different instances of mass scans like that||

Vanilla has some weirdly intricate map geometry in spots that just goes completely unused

and the scanquests are how they get used in C2C lol

[livid fossil]

volcanic traces for plasteel ingots yes

[shrewd gate]

21 is a bit excessive.

[livid fossil]

if u go to the big tree in the mushroom forest that is facing the bulb zone big cave system under it with 20 of them

(yes the game did not want to add that 1 extra)

[shrewd gate]

Oh good! I'm glad we went to the same cave system and had the same experience. XD

[livid fossil]

yea....

had to go to the other mushroom forest

i wanted to suicide in that moment

worst day of my life

i ran through that cave for an extra 30 minutes praying for just 1 that i missed but i didnt miss any

[shrewd gate]

I found my last one beneath the wreck that hangs off the cliff side in the Bulb Zone.

[shrewd gate]

Same...

[livid fossil]

facing crash zone? or craters edge

[shrewd gate]

This one.

[livid fossil]

oh that one

thats near the lifepod

there is one there????

[shrewd gate]

Somewhat, yeah.

[livid fossil]

[shrewd gate]

You see the little alcoves underneath it? Yeah I found my last one in one of those.

[livid fossil]

yea im aware of the small cave system under it

i was not aware

that there is 1 there tho

well a bit late for that but thanks

[shrewd gate]

[unreal flame]

Reika, thoughts on a pda voiceline meant to hint towards ||the scanner room being usable on tree bacteria and geyser coral past the threshold||

[trail ether]

...why would you have a pda voiceline that the scanner room works on somethig

[muted cosmos]

Something like:

“Detecting reactive bacteria and coral colonies in the local cave systems. Use of scanning technology is highly advised”

[trail ether]

that uses far too many words not already said by the PDA

i cannot create new ones

not unless someone manages to recreate the necessary audio postprocessing steps

[unreal flame]

no, not like that. that sounds like something you'd play to try and get people to notice them in the first place

what i'm thinking would be more like "biological markers sequenced. remote scanning is now available"

though that also probably can't be spliced

[normal frigate]

oo

ai

[trail ether]

the only one of those words i know the PDA says is "biological" (and I already use that one in another voiceline so it would be noticeably identical)

maybe "scanning" too

[plain gulch]

so are you adding more updates tot he mod and then switchig to 2.0?

[trail ether]

?

[muted cosmos]

I think he’s asking if the mod is porting to 2.0

[wary moss]

havent touched subnautica in a few months, any important changes to the sea to sea modpack?

last i remember room specialization was just released kinda

[trail ether]

eventually

[trail ether]

the last releases were in mid december

I have done no SN since then

[wary moss]

alr

[wary moss]

taking a break from development?

[cloud pollen]

leave her alone omg

[trail ether]

and working on other things

I mod many many games https://i.imgur.com/uD6kV6L.png

and i also play games I do not mod

[wary moss]

ah

[signal karma]

Does this mod actually require you to explore 100% of the map?

Becuz i literally gave up after having 2 real life days playtime in one save alone

[loud python]

It do.

[upper dock]

Yeah you have to explore more or less the entire map

not literally 100%, but every major location

[unreal flame]

I’d go further than just “major locations” even. A lot of more minor locations are required too

[livid fossil]

Phytoplankton Cluster

i got the module

i go inside it

it turns purple

i have storage

produces nothing

;-;

after it turns purple it just disappears

and gives me nothing

[unreal flame]

the module has its own storage, accessed at the front of the seamoth

[livid fossil]

oop

i see all of the samples now

thanks

glad i didnt risk my life in craters edge for nothing then

[trail ether]

basically anything interesting

[livid fossil]

is there

sea treader egg? added with any of the mods?

[trail ether]

not my mods

[brave fox]

any hints on where to find the blueprint for the ||kharaa symptom alleviation canister?||

[trail ether]

hint: refer again to that first word

hint 2: who?

[brave fox]

can i reach it with a seamoth that can go 500m?

[normal frigate]

find out 😉

[brave fox]

been searching for it for a while now, also running out of ||breathing fluid|| as it seems the blueprint for that has been moved since i last played the mod, any more hints?

[trail ether]

i swapped fluid anda the tank

[unreal flame]

You put the tank where???

[brave fox]

Oh

[trail ether]

swapped the two databoxes

since you get liquid breathing "free" with the tank for the first time - and i have never been able to fix that - i swapped them so you cannot use it until finding both

as was always intended

[coral dagger]

?? i thought the intent was to use the free breathing from the tank initially to get deep enough to get the fluid

don't you have to go under 500m in the ||glass forest||

[loud python]

Only briefly

[trail ether]

no

there is another cleverer thing you can do

[plain gulch]

@surreal mauve

[surreal mauve]

Can yall update teh mod to 2.0 PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE** PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE**

[normal frigate]

bro stop

[cloud pollen]

the source code is here go ahead and update it yourself

[trail ether]

no I do not want people trying

relevant to @surreal mauve

[brave fox]

Patience

[loud python]

I really want a 2.0 version too, but it's kinda mean to demand it. It's not like Reika is working for us

[signal karma]

Does the ||leviathan in void island thingy || will get modelled?

[unreal flame]

Once someone makes a model, yeah

[plain gulch]

why?

[normal frigate]

we js gotta wait

[loud python]

If I had money i'd try to bribe Reika lol

[trail ether]

relevant, despite being for MC and not SN: https://i.imgur.com/r2IBDuo.png

I estimate dozens of hours minimum to update to 2.0

and the numbers are even worse now than they were in 2018 because of inflation and the fact my current income is quite a bit higher than $26 to $45 an hour

I took a commission once, last year, and that was only an option because it only took about 5 hours and the guy was willing to pay $400

[loud python]

I'll correct.
"If I had a LOT of money" haha

[frank scaffold]

hey reika what new eggs dose your mod add?

[frank scaffold]

i redownloaded now even less are working

[trail ether]

DI adds eggs for nonleviathan vanilla creatures lacking them (eg river prowler, biter, etc), except the two spider-type creatures, and C2C adds an egg for each of its large creatures

[trail ether]

upload this somewhere it does not get truncated

[frank scaffold]

Are you telling me c2c adds a leviathan egg

[trail ether]

....what

[frank scaffold]

What eggs do c2c include

[trail ether]

I said this

its large creatures

[frank scaffold]

Ok

I’m sorry for the misunderstanding but things like the reaper are big creatures

[normal frigate]

leviathan is a size class

[civic grotto]

Can anyone give me a hint as to where the seamoth depth upgrade mk II is at, I'm ripping my hair out trying to find it

Secondly, I'm looking for the safest way to get azurite as I'm on hardcore and I really dont want to grind through C2C progression again

in retrospect it might have been a poor idea, having never played through C2C before

[trail ether]

the method does not change and though death is never necessary, nor do I expect the player to willingly get themselves killed, C2C was not balanced for hardcore

[trail ether]

you get a hint ingame

and here is another: be observant when going to places you are led to

do not just focus on the thing you are directly led to

[civic grotto]

If only I could change it mid save lol

[civic grotto]

Is it ||in the pda you find near the mushroom forest lifepod talking about search and rescue||

I cant exactly look at it as it seems everything but ACU status is gone from my data downloads tab

wait nvm, it fixed itself

[trail ether]

you can

command: survival

[trail ether]

you have the right "kind" of hint in mind

[civic grotto]

Cause I've searched up and down all around the mushroom forest and any cave system that it could possibly be referring to and I have had no luck

[trail ether]

notice I said "kind"

[normal frigate]

Reika how do u not have sr modder!!?

you deserve moty 2024

[shell cobalt]

Reika hasn't released a new mod this year, however they were an honourable mention in 2023 MOTY. Plus it'll be hard to compete with ROTA when it finally releases on ||made you look||

[shell cobalt]

By the way I voted for you in 2023 Reika. Good job building such a fantasticly deep modded experience 👍

[unreal flame]

i don't think we ever publicly revealed the solid numbers, but I can say that reika's honorable mention status wasn't by any slim margin for MotY relative to the person after her

[shell cobalt]

The votes were revealed but only for the top 4 modders: #📢┃server-news message

[unreal flame]

oh right

[brave fox]

Any more hints on where to find the ||symptom alleviation canister||? I found the ||fluid blueprint|| but not being able to breathe for long is becoming really annoying

[unreal flame]

||who else was researching the kharaa?||

[brave fox]

Yeah ofc but is it really ||that far down?||

[unreal flame]

||think smaller||

[brave fox]

Alright

[brave fox]

still nothing... checked ||all 3 caches and the QEP||

[loud python]

You probably want that item to explore deeper, an area that you're having trouble going into, right?
||You should just go into that area anyway.||

[brave fox]

||i just want it to make breathing less annoying lol, is the area you're speaking of the deep grand reef/lost river?||

[loud python]

||I get you. Imo it is one of the few weak spots of the mod because it indeed does nothing but being annoying. You just have to bear with it explore those deep areas anyway.

Yes, it's one of the two.||

[brave fox]

i really hope it's not the ||lost river|| lol

[unreal flame]

i did try to caution against this feature

[loud python]

The mod doesn't have many weak spots, I really can only think of two: ||this one and the glass forest. Seriously fuck that place.||

Personally I feel once you have the LBS you should be good to go in that regard forever.

[unreal flame]

i'm guessing it's the lag, right?

[loud python]

I just don't like the place, annoying to navigate.

Mostly because it's so dark

[loud python]

Does anyone have any recomendations for mods that add decorations and don't conflict with Reika's mods?

[shell drift]

Custom Posters by Mr.Purple. You can basically make any poster you want

there's versions for it in both legacy and 2.0

[loud python]

Oh, and does C2C work with de-extintion?

[shell drift]

ehhh it works in the way that de-extincition plankton wont spawn with C2C installed, because ecocean and C2C make plankton gathering necessary so I guess it can work

to be clear

DE plankton does not spawn, C2C plankton does

[modern ibex]

Would this mod be playable with radiation challenge?

[frank scaffold]

anyone know why the cyclops is locked if ive scaned all the parts

[trail ether]

define locked

[frank scaffold]

I’ve scanned 4 engine fragments 4 hull fragments and 4 bridge fragments but the cyclops is still locked

[trail ether]

you defined everything except "locked"

[frank scaffold]

The cyclops is still grey and it’s not telling me what I need to build it

[trail ether]

ok then i have no idea

[fair merlin]

What is sea to sea and what does it add?

[normal frigate]

check the GitHub page

https://reikakalseki.github.io/subnautica/mods/seatosea.html

thats the page

[loud python]

TL;DR adds a bunch of features that get in the way of your exploration, and then adds a bunch of items to overcome these features, these items usually require new resources and new middle-step crafted items.

EDIT: Also adds 3 new biomes and a bunch of other things to explore which add a lot to the game's atmosphere.

As a result:

1. You will have to explore virtually all the map to be able to reach the lava zones, which is the main attraction of the mod (imo) because this will take you to many very cool places that you wouldn't really see, nevermind explore, in vanilla.
2. You must build a base and probably half a dozen outposts, it can't be skipped.
3. Playtime is extended like five times. Expect like 100 hours.

C2C makes vanilla feel as if it were a beta that was still missing 30% of its final content.
9/10, I highly recommend.

[fair merlin]

Ok thanks KooKoo and sinclairlim

[trail ether]

As I said on reddit to someone a couple hours ago: ...The mod's core premise is "make the player do more of the game, experience more of the content, visit more of the map, and try more activities"...

also ...A big part of C2C is exploration and following clues, much like in the base game (and much to the frustration of a certain kind of "just give me a guide to follow!" type player)...

[warm cedar]

Is this normal this making me feel weird (dont even have the laser cutter yet)

[trail ether]

...the door was pre-lasered?!

i have never heard of such a thing

do you have a mod that does this

[loud python]

I knew it! When I was exploring the missing wrecks I always say that one and was like "I guess I already checked it" but for the life of me I couldn't remember to have actually done so.

[unreal flame]

i used the mapmod as a checklist since you can toggle the wreck icons between a "dull" and "bright" state

[warm cedar]

Im unsure if there is a mod that does that but some databoxes were opened already i thought that was a feature to make it feel like there were other survivers...

Is there a chance that my saves got mixed up

[trail ether]

yes

[frank scaffold]

When are you supposed to be able to build a mobile vehicle bay

[upper dock]

Not super early but before you have to go anywhere super dangerous

[loud python]

Fairly quickly, but only by C2C standards.

So maybe 10 hours in?

20 hours in if you don't know what you're doing.

[frank scaffold]

I can build the mobile vehicle bay but I can’t build the drones needed to construct it

[loud python]

Yeah, it takes you about 10-20 hours to find, scan and gather the materials necessary for the drones

[frank scaffold]

are the drones there own scanned object

also how to you learn the azure battey nedded for the lazer cutter

[open patio]

What is the exact syntax of the clear 000 command?

[bronze cairn]

does anyone know if Sea to Sea affects the fire in the prawn bay in the aurora? I've sprayed it with like five fire extinguishers but it isn't going down

[open patio]

@bronze cairn Seems to be clear000

[bronze cairn]

sweet, thanks!

any ideas on the fire?

[open patio]

Nah, haven’t played that far yet, but I wouldn’t be surprised if you needed something else

[bronze cairn]

im thinking i probably need an upgrade for the diving suit

[unreal flame]

clear000

[unreal flame]

it does, yes

note for @trail ether regarding the above: ||you should add the "extreme heat warning" to the hud when the player is near that doorway without proper precautions||

[unreal flame]

yes. ||follow the game's story and remember that it's about the journey||

[unreal flame]

don't worry about that yet, the laser cutter is much further down the line than you are currently

[frank scaffold]

ive unlocked the cyclops

[unreal flame]

i'm basing that assertment on "you don't have the mobile vehicle bay"

...have you been following the radio?

[frank scaffold]

the only pod ive been given that i havent uncoverd is lifepod 15

[unreal flame]

which radio signals have you visited?

[frank scaffold]

1 sec

also by abusing another mod i got the blueprint from lifepod 15 yay

and also 17

@unreal flame

[unreal flame]

hm. have you been taking note of whenever the PDA pipes up and tells you something?

[frank scaffold]

yea

[loud python]

The message "||Detecting faint alterra vehicle signals||" or something like that plays the first time you're in the biome where the drones spawn for scanning.

You may have skipped it, since you would normally get it fairly early.

[unreal flame]

yeah, it's supposed to trigger when you're on your way from your lifepod to one of the other lifepods

it remains sea to sea's biggest filter, i'd wager

[trail ether]

there is someting like that

mouseover text

same way I added that heat glow to the door

[unreal flame]

clearly, more indication is necessary

[frank scaffold]

Where dose that appear again

[trail ether]

when you get near enough

[frank scaffold]

I forgor what biome that happens in

I’m already past that point and forgot the biome it appears in

[loud python]

||Northern kelp forest||

[frank scaffold]

Thanks

[loud python]

In what way does the "Decorations" mod hurt C2C progression?

[marsh spear]

I believe it lets you craft vanilla-unobtainable tablets that c2c uses, very early

[upper dock]

yep

there's a few objects that it adds as "decorations" because they're unused in vanilla, IIRC

[unreal flame]

crafting of red and white tablets for cheap, crafting like, plants and stuff from salt(?) etc

[frank scaffold]

where can i learn the recipie for the battery needed for the lazer cutter?

[wheat pebble]

what version of subnautica is this for

[shell drift]

legacy, use Qmod and SMLhelper

[wheat pebble]

ok

i wish there were mods that are more than just minor additions available for 2.0 :(

[upper dock]

It'll happen eventually, AFAIK most of the big mods are undergoing major rewrites for 2.0 to bring them more up-to-snuff

(C2C is coming to 2.0 eventually, sometimes after Nautilus is fully finished)

[wheat pebble]

oh

how long has it even been since 2.0? i thought it would've been long enough that most things would've been ported by now...

i guess i was too optimistic

[frank scaffold]

plz

[frank scaffold]

how do i get murcury ore

[frank scaffold]

anyone here

[frank scaffold]

i really need the lazer cutter to progress

[bitter kraken]

Exploring the map is usually the best way to find anything. Its pretty hard to miss important things like the mercury ore in this mod

[unreal flame]

Are you still listening to the radio

[loud python]

Its found in one of the surface biomes. and not actually that hidden. There's a lot of it in caves in said biome. You must explor the whole map.

[frank scaffold]

ok but why dont i have the battery for the lazer cutter yet

[loud python]

I pressume it's because you haven't found the blueprient and crafted it

[frank scaffold]

I’ve kept an eye out for. I’m stumped on its location

[worthy plume]

hi, i need help for something i have this point and i don't know how to go there without dying because it's in ||the void|| someone have some tips for me or maybe it's for later when i have a sub or something faster?

[frank scaffold]

To do it I used a set of mods on submodica

https://submodica.xyz/mods/sn1/126

Use this with its requirements. Stay on the wreck and bring a 100% charged repair tool

Also use the passive reaper leviathan mod to get past the back of the Aurora

[upper dock]

Could you like, not recommend people just completely bypass the intended functionality of the mod with other mods?

there is an intended way to get there

[loud python]

Nooooo

Dont do that ll

lol

Yes, there is an intended way to reach that location.

[frank scaffold]

If you want to go about it differently that’s your choice

[loud python]

There's a seamoth module that allows you to hide from ghost leviathans so long as your lights are off and you don't get off the seamoth.

[frank scaffold]

I’m just trying to help

[loud python]

I get that, and i share the opinion, you can't cheat a single player game anyway, but if that's where we are, just use console commands.

I shamelessly used console commands to get an early cyclops because I really like the cyclops.

[frank scaffold]

My save is over 20 hours and I still can’t build the laser cutter

[loud python]

Sounds about right

C2C is big and long

Expect a 100 hour playthrough

[frank scaffold]

Still I have everything I need except the azure battery

[loud python]

You missed a spot then.

[frank scaffold]

I’ve asked where to find it

I’ve searched half the map

[loud python]

We avoid spoilers as much as we can because spoling C2C kills the experience, and its sometimes hard to resist the temptation

Buuuut

Well first off, you should explore ALL the map, not just half, all the map will be necessary eventually

[frank scaffold]

The parts I haven’t explored are 400m deep or below

[loud python]

First clue though: ||Near reapers.||
Second clue:|| In a cave, near reapers.||

Jesus man