SeaToSea

[trail ether]

among other things it can defeat its attitude control

intended

[muted cosmos]

Well as I said before, can’t really test the more detailed stuff for a bit but will do

[trail ether]

other game references include the SM heat sink being based on and behaving exactly like the ones in E:D

and then there is the Eye Flame

which is a multi-layer reference to the same game

and multiple concepts/color schemes/patterns/iconography within

even the name is

[muted cosmos]

Jesus Christ I def awoke Reika lmao. Thx for the feedback

[trail ether]

I cannot say what without spoiling - and thus completely ruining - that game though

though I will give the hint to look at the harvested eye flame directly straight down

and to look at the shadow cast by the unharvested one, from the same perspective

looking at its texture file might be another hint, especiall;y if you do a cartesian-polar conversion

[muted cosmos]

Question. What’s E:D

Elite Dangerous?

I’ve never heard of this game before lmao

[trail ether]

yes

heat sinks https://youtu.be/PfYHeEFRiVs?t=149

meter left of the dashboard radar is heat

though that is not the best demo since he is showing how to use it to cancel out a very heat-generating process rather than its usual effect

this is a better demo https://youtu.be/Foq8IKOexfk?t=29

[muted cosmos]

Yeh I search up E:D heat sink and some info popped up lol

[pastel slate]

So I ran a quick experiment about the ||void spikes|| and here’s what I found; going there causes minor bursts of lag which eventually ramp in severity, it’s playable at first but worsens to the point of unplayability (correlates to how long you’ve been there). Also, after leaving the biome, the lag continues to be a problem, even after being multiple kilometers away. Idk if it’s a me thing or what but I ran this test a few times all with the same results

[unreal flame]

A number of these are niche features that might be difficult to naturally determine without being extremely observant and experimentational

[muted cosmos]

That’s what I thought lmao. Half of these I was like “wait wtf that’s a thing?”

[weak locust]

Is SeaToSea...is it finished?

[muted cosmos]

No

But you can download it

[weak locust]

Thought so

[unreal flame]

Yeah. The magnetite one in particular was a joke suggestion I made

[muted cosmos]

Is that a real thing?

[weak locust]

I have tried to download it, and I got a little ways into a game, about an hour, but by then I would just crash 15 seconds into the game so...had to abandon that

[muted cosmos]

Why lmao????

[unreal flame]

Where dropped bars of magnetite will move towards metallic objects (subs, base pieces)

[muted cosmos]

That’s so useless but kinda hysterical

[unreal flame]

I made a joke /shrug

It was inadvertently the cause of a major release bug as well

[muted cosmos]

Prob the weirdest thing I got from that feedback was the complex way to find how the eye flame is a reference to ED

[unreal flame]

The eye flame isn’t a reference to Elite, no

[muted cosmos]

That’s what Reika said

[unreal flame]

I know what it’s a reference to but won’t say

[unreal flame]

The ||seamoth heatsink module|| is

[muted cosmos]

^

[unreal flame]

Ah. Seems like a poorly structured sentence

What reika probably means is that the eye flame is more than one reference to a single, unnamed game

[muted cosmos]

I love going on searches for a purple decorative variant of s plant and an obscure reference

[trail ether]

it is incomplete in the sense that there is still content being added and some features are unfinished

not in the sense that the game just crashes

[pastel slate]

So we not gonna talk about how the ||void spikes|| is kinda broken ooorrrr

[muted cosmos]

How so?

[pastel slate]

I wrote a solid paragraph

[pastel slate]

.

I thought I replied to my own msg but if not

Anyways ya

[muted cosmos]

Can’t expect a fix for it overnight lol

[trail ether]

especially when the issue has no trigger one can think of

[covert cradle]

Reika, is there a way I can go into the files and enable "swapping seamoth modules when NOT docked? Running the Odyssey Sub mod, which can't be docked and is based of the seamoth, so currently no way of swapping modules whatsoever. If it's something I can retype in the code or put a setting to "false", that would be great

[trail ether]

no

and mods like custom subs should not be used with C2C anyway

[unreal flame]

i think the issue with the odyssey is that it's being treated like a small sub, when in reality it's a midsize "large" sub

as far as i'm aware it's a decently balanced sub

[covert cradle]

That's unfortunate.
As N8crafter said, the odyssey is a very well balanced sub, also in C2C. It need an advanced wiring kit, so your making a seamoth first anyway. Later, kinda a step between seamoth and cyclops, you can use the odyssey

[unreal flame]

all it would really need is a more C2C-oriented recipe, i'd think

[trail ether]

it is not just raw balance

there are tons of other implications

like depth limtis, power capacity, and more

[pastel slate]

Not, just wondered if someone had an idea of why

[muted cosmos]

It’s a big biome in a very odd location in the game world and way the game transports you to it

Prob gonna be prettt laggy

[pastel slate]

But would leaving, ergo unloading it, have the issue still stand?

[trail ether]

there is no reason even being there should cause lag over time

it does not spawn stuff over time

[unreal flame]

counterpoint: neither do the bases

[trail ether]

they did actually

not intentionally

but the door opener technical entity did

but there is no analogue here because there is no-

wait

the transient resources

they should be dissolving again

but if they for some reason never did anad just kept piling up

this can be checked visually

@pastel slate

[upper dock]

EHEHEEEE

oh my god

I had the bulb zone reaper leviathan just rocket across my screen at 9000 miles an hour

and then vanish

[frank scaffold]

Alien rifle mod

Mates gone soon enough

[upper dock]

it's a weird bug I've been having with C2C where I think larger fish are spawning inside the ground or swimming into the ground while it's unloaded

and then the instant it loads in they get rocketed out at a million miles an hour

(bug may not actually be C2C related, doesn't seem like it would be but I didn't have it happen on my original playthrough)

[upper dock]

I got to hear its roar for like a single second too

which made it even funnier

[trail ether]

this is a vanilla thing

@muted cosmos the page for sulfuric acid also is missing its main method of acquisition

[upper dock]

yeah I figured it wasn't actually related

is there a mod to fix it or is it just a Quirk

[muted cosmos]

Elaborate (btw on vaca but computer is fixed, will get into the more “ingame stuff” soon”)

[trail ether]

not a recipe

also the unlock for heat-sealed fabric is entirely wrong

seems like you are unaware of a certain POI 😛

[muted cosmos]

I’ll add that on my search list after finding the location of a purple variant of a useless plant lol

[trail ether]

also microbiotic gel is incorrect - it is a bioprocessor boost but not in that way

[muted cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-spongebob-head-bang-gif-15984525

[muted cosmos]

Also just outt curiosity. New or pre existing?

[trail ether]

was added in june

[muted cosmos]

Ah new thing

That explains why it’s not on the GitHub lol

[trail ether]

I did not put it on the website because that is not comprehensive

nor is it meant to be

unrelated: fixed https://i.imgur.com/1jNh8ol.jpg

[muted cosmos]

Tf

[upper dock]

spoiler-y tech support request ||Hey, I'm pretty sure the refined azurite you get from the degasi jellyshroom base despawned for me. I've checked all of my seabases and the lifepod, it's not in any inventories I can find. I haven't died since picking it up, so my only guess is I dropped it on the ground at some point and it despawned or something? Anyhow, I need to spawn another one in as far as I can tell, what's the ID?||

[trail ether]

geyser propulsion

[trail ether]

||denseazurite||

also @muted cosmos items with numbers in the name are not usable IDs

the number is its ordinal in the TechType enum, which changes based on mod set and load order

it would be like giving the numerical ideas of (modded) items in MC and then wondering why giving ID 4781 in one server gives you an EiO conduit while it gives you a TiC pickaxe in another and a zombie brain in yet another

and then you add a mod and now it gives you RC turbine parts

[muted cosmos]

Soooo ingots?

[trail ether]

anything

ingots are autogenerated anyway

[muted cosmos]

I meant l ids with numbers

The only ones I remember where the two modded item ingots

Iridium and plat

[trail ether]

fragments also have the numbers but I am not sure offhand what else

[muted cosmos]

Didn’t add fragment spawn ids bc I couldn’t be bothered to scower the GitHub code or internal files for them lol

[trail ether]

they are not specified like that

they are computed at runtime

which is why they use the numerical ID

[trail ether]

???????

[trail ether]

....you are complaining that modded items are not in vanilla???

[shrewd gate]

Beautiful mod.

[muted cosmos]

“The mods sucks bc it’s a mod and not vanilla”

[trail ether]

@muted cosmos new missing thing: azurite battery vent charging

also Pt is used in chemical-adjacent recipes not electronic ones

emulating its real-life application as a chemical catalyst for hydrocarbon reactions

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platinum#Catalyst

The most common use of platinum is as a catalyst in chemical reactions, often as platinum black. It has been employed as a catalyst since the early 19th century, when platinum powder was used to catalyze the ignition of hydrogen. Its most important application is in automobiles as a catalytic converter, which allows the complete combustion of low concentrations of unburned hydrocarbons from the exhaust into carbon dioxide and water vapor. Platinum is also used in the petroleum industry as a catalyst in a number of separate processes, but especially in catalytic reforming of straight-run naphthas into higher-octane gasoline that becomes rich in aromatic compounds. PtO2, also known as Adams' catalyst, is used as a hydrogenation catalyst, specifically for vegetable oils.[36] Platinum also strongly catalyzes the decomposition of hydrogen peroxide into water and oxygen[69] and it is used in fuel cells[70] as a catalyst for the reduction of oxygen.[71]

[trail ether]

also i moved the recirc mask to the mod statiojn

also also might want to add a "trivia" for nozzlevine for its geometric inspiration

hint: its name is not coincidental

[muted cosmos]

petition to start doing patch notes lmao

[trail ether]

?

also more trivia

piezo crystals are in part inspired by the feature of the same name from Barotrauma

and are canonically azurite, but in an unharvestable and much larger form

think of it like "mature" azurite crystals

also new missing thing: AE ACU also has mushroom forest, jellyshroom, and lava themes

[muted cosmos]

im assuming azurite battery vent charger is a new update thing?

[trail ether]

no

thta was there from the beginning

[muted cosmos]

ah

[trail ether]

also I do have a changelog on my site

but I have not maintained it in a couple months

due to the drive failure

[muted cosmos]

ill start some of teh changes now, just gotta reinstall a bunch of teh mods

[trail ether]

still working on recovering that

[trail ether]

updated ^

also I notice you made no mention of the actual eating mechanic

[muted cosmos]

any hints for the purple nozzle variant lol?

also you sure about you abyssoclause depth thing? im only finding it below 800

[trail ether]

you assumed the wrong way to be wrong

[muted cosmos]

lmao

[scenic stirrup]

Alright has anyone been able to even get the seamoth upgrade bay yet? i cant get the laser cutter cuz they need super deep resources and the seamoth doesnt go past 200 metters

[muted cosmos]

you mean the ||blood kelp base||?

[scenic stirrup]

Yea like how are you supposed to get the materials to craft the stuff you need if you can even get to those areas

[scenic stirrup]

im currently trying to get to the dunes to see if i can get a simple azurite but boy

[muted cosmos]

I would try the mountains instead, there’s some thermal vents near the gun

[scenic stirrup]

And also a lot stuff that wants to kill me XD

[coral dagger]

i don't remember if you need the laser cutter to get to the seamoth bay in the aurora, but i don't think so? just prop cannon and repair tool

that would get you the free mk1 depth upgrade

[unreal flame]

The moonpool, the seamoth room in the Aurora, or the upgrade console that gets placed in the moonpool?

[trail ether]

???

[pastel slate]

sry i havent been at my desktop for the weekend, and ya quarts, diamond, and abisoclase all pilled up in one spot multiple times

[trail ether]

how much?

a couple or a lot

[wispy kelp]

yipee

btw @trail ether do you recall c2c's recipe for the laser cutter

asking for the curren SN run

[trail ether]

no

[wispy kelp]

kk ty though

[upper dock]

the big thing is the ||Azurite Battery||

otherwise it's a pretty simple recipe

[scenic stirrup]

you need a laser cutter to be able to get through the first door

@coral dagger

and to get a laser cutter you need ||azurite|| which is a deep material and ||ruby|| which is also a deep material, both of each i cant get cuz i cant go deep enough to get them since seamoth depth is at 200

i obviously cant swim with Seaglide as well to get those materials since you just get killed by quite literally anything in 2 hits

maybe im just being dumb

idk

[upper dock]

You can get the L1 seamoth depth module without the laser cutter

...I forget how exactly, but I most certainly have it

Ruby's pretty easy to get from the sparse reef without the module

[marsh spear]

there are 2 entrances to the aurora. iirc c2c makes it so you have to go through both

actually, i just wanted to say thank you so much for adding this (i played c2c a while ago and this wasn't in yet) it's such a good feature (spoilered for crash zone exploration notes)

[trail ether]

it really helps people know they missed something

since it was quite common for people to do so and then have no idea, and then complain they could not find where something is, thinking they searched the entire map

[coral dagger]

it me

[trail ether]

some even accused me of retroactively adding it to places they searched

[marsh spear]

it's also a great tool for those who haven't played in a while to remember where everything is

that mushroom tree ||bacterial sample|| maze section is still a nightmare tho

[coral dagger]

i found the ||geyser coral|| way worse because there's so many of them hiding in sneaky bastard locations

[marsh spear]

oh, i don't know what that is? i haven't played in a long time so it may just be new

[coral dagger]

||very similar scan-many-of-the-same-thing type treasure hunt to unlock another important item||

[marsh spear]

ah

3 eye flames at 0 0 0, interesting

[trail ether]

run clear000

[marsh spear]

oh that's convenient

[upper dock]

Does the thermoblade have a databox now? I noticed I still can't craft it, but I don't remember it needing a recipe in vanilla.

[wispy kelp]

can you throw me a screenshot of the recipe?

im running with deathrun

so its not the standard recipie

but i want to use C2CS one and just run off an honor system

[wispy kelp]

thank u

[unreal flame]

technically no, and in vanilla it's unlocked by default/when you unlock the modstation

[upper dock]

hm, so there's something else I need to do to unlock it now

[marsh spear]

fun fact it's possible to go to LifePod 15 with nothing but the sea glide and make it out alive. I just did it

terrifying, but possible

[unreal flame]

Ah, I see the measures meant to prevent exactly that haven’t entirely worked

[marsh spear]

what measures? the repair-the-databox thing?

because that probably works if the ghost leviathans spawn before you get there... but I had enough time

super seaglide+ kite the leviathan around the wreckage

it's not exactly a priority to "fix" I hope, considering super seaglide was patched in 2.0 anyway

trying to account for super seaglide is also kind of a losing battle, it has some other interesting effects like trivializing the cave where you get the ||drone fragments|| because drooping stingers and crash fish ignore you while you have super seaglide active

it's not even really progression breaking though, because you won't be able to get the resources early anyway

[wispy kelp]

@trail ether the.

||the geyser coral.||

it requires so many scans

[upper dock]

I'm having trouble figuring out what I'm missing in this area. I've ||checked all three of the island wrecks multiple times over now, with absolutely no luck finding anything. I'm extremely stuck progress-wise ATM so I'm trying to comb over existing areas I haven't fully cleared out yet and this one's been annoying me a lot. The actual entry for the Island itself says I've gotten everything, it's just these wrecks that say I'm missing somethin||

[modest shoal]

At coordinates ||337.3, -269.7, -1438.8, which is in the crash zone behind the aurora|| there's a door in a wreck that has a console to repair it, but the repair gun doesn't work

[marsh spear]

oh where'd you find the middle one, I can't find it

[upper dock]

That's just one of the vanilla PDA logs

[marsh spear]

ok it looks like the line you're missing is

||A PDA recording of a conversation between recording of a conversation between the Degasi survivors, documenting their arrival on the island and subsequent predicament regarding food and shelter||

which is from the pda "||IslandsPDABase1bDesk||"

[upper dock]

OK, I'm certain I picked that PDA up so I guess it just didn't log it

[marsh spear]

same

[upper dock]

bug report for that then, I guess

[trail ether]

there is a bug on this one - I had the incorrect StoryGoal key for Degasi Log #1

[upper dock]

ahhhhh

[trail ether]

crash or crag

[upper dock]

welp! back to the drawing board...

[trail ether]

the latter is a known but very very inconsistent issue

some people have it reliably, some never have it, and some have it intermittently

[upper dock]

the best kind of bug!

[trail ether]

especially when I am in the middle group

[upper dock]

😔

[trail ether]

and my beta tester is in the last

[trail ether]

this

I was missing the "Desk"

I already fixed it but the fix has not been released

||https://i.imgur.com/PvINYt7.png||

MAJOR spoilers inthat image

[modest shoal]

Oh, its crag actually, yeah, the coordiantes are correct, my biome name wasn't

[trail ether]

and this is the door right next to the easter egg PDA?

[modest shoal]

couldn't recall the PDA its next to, its the one with the ||seamoth sampling scoop|| in it

[trail ether]

so yes

[upper dock]

Does the Crag Reef run absolutely absurdly terrible for anyone else?

lag spikes to an ungodly level + low overall FPS

Fixes itself instantly whenever I get far enough away for whatever is causing it to unload

[trail ether]

...crag reef?

[upper dock]

crag field

derp

[upper dock]

I'm beginning to mald very slightly. Cannot figure out where I need to go to progress at all, I'm hard blocked by two different things right now (though getting the second would let me get the first in a roundabout way)

[marsh spear]

ah yes I love getting synthetic fibers from a time capsule before I even have a bioprocessor

[shrewd gate]

I mean... There's a custom wreck there.

[upper dock]

having a time here lmao

[marsh spear]

what is it you're stuck on?

...fuck I just bricked my save didn't i

[upper dock]

I need one of the following
|| 1: Azurite to repair the battery for the laser cutter ||
|| 2: Bioprocessor recipe ||

(and really I just need the second one, it locks more and can get me the first roundabout

[marsh spear]

well I know how to get both, do you want semi cryptic hints or just spoilers

[upper dock]

cryptic hints, I've avoided direct spoilers for anything so far

[marsh spear]

ok so for the first one, ||it's related to a story event||

and as for the second, ||there's a few places to get it- both are near leviathans|| ||but not in wrecks or caves||

[upper dock]

||Story event.... hm||

[trail ether]

I need to fix that

[upper dock]

||I'm not really sure where that could be telling me to go with how limtied my depth range is, but I'll have to keep looking...||

[trail ether]

?

[trail ether]

you will need azurite before the bioprocessor

I assure you

and I have no idea why @marsh spear said it is from a story event

unless they confused two somewhat similarly-named items

[marsh spear]

oh wait I'm dumb

i mixed it up with something else

uhh it is near a story event though which is why I mixed it up

[marsh spear]

||I keep thinking azurite is what comes from the Sunbeam wreckage because it's around that area, but it's something else isn't it||

||the red crystals||

[trail ether]

yes

[trail ether]

cough

@upper dock azurite is very very visible

have you found any

[upper dock]

nope

not ap iece

[marsh spear]

(I have no idea what they're called lol I haven't played this in forever)

[upper dock]

just the guaranteed refined one in the ||Jellyshroom Cave||

[trail ether]

did you participate in a certain story event

[upper dock]

||as far as story goes, I've watched the sunbeam crash, explored as much of the QEP island as I can for now, and done all of the island and jellyshroom base||

[trail ether]

so yes

did you make any attempt to make use of the information you were given

[marsh spear]

it's also because that hint about ||valuables from the Sunbeam|| is why I found azurite in my first playthrough- I went "oh I should look around here"

[upper dock]

I have not been to the mountains yet outside of the island, no

[modest shoal]

You get a ||bar of azurite|| from one of the vanilla desagi bases

[upper dock]

ya, but repairing the battery needs unrefined

[marsh spear]

wait, you... found the damaged battery

[upper dock]

yeah

[modest shoal]

Oh, you're right, hmm, and picking up raw ones without the correct suit kills you now, doesn't it? and to make the suit you need the bioprocessor, no?

hmm, it does seem like a catch 22 now

[marsh spear]

not if you're fast

[modest shoal]

||You need 2 azurite batteries to make the stasis gun which you use to get the alakai vines, which you need to make sealant in the bioprocessor. And you need sealant in to make the electrochemical suit which you have to wear to pick up azurite, otherwise you die if you pick up azurite off the ground||

You sure? I thought that was changed, like before it did no damage to me, and I got a whole locker full, now I can't pick any up

[marsh spear]

||last I played I got alkali vines without the gun||

[modest shoal]

||How do you get the vines without stasis-ing the plants?||

[marsh spear]

||you can find some in a growbed in an abandoned base- they only hide when not in growbeds||

[modest shoal]

||Really? they hid when I moved to them on that growbed too||

[marsh spear]

huh maybe that got changed

take anything I say past early game with a grain of salt because it may have changed since i last did a full playthrough

[modest shoal]

just went and checked, doesn't work, it hides

[marsh spear]

ah, rip

[marsh spear]

yeah just checked, it does damage but you can still grab it

as long as you're not low health

[modest shoal]

Yeah, does like 25 damage, just looked too, haha

Guess I just normally let myself sit at low hp, so assumed it auto killed you, lol

Least spoiler possible @upper dock ||Pick up azurite, its a blue ore in some places that shocks you for ~25 damage when you pick it up||
Larger spoiler: ||Its found around heat sources in mountains and dunes||

[upper dock]

Yeah, I've just gotta find some

[trail ether]

I fixed that

[modest shoal]

I guess I'll also add Medium Spoiler: ||Its in the same biome you found the battery in||

[marsh spear]

ngl I didn't even think to use the ||stasis rifle||, I thought what I did was just the intended way

[modest shoal]

The pda entry on it is pretty explicit about it

[trail ether]

the stasis rifle is not the canonical way either

[marsh spear]

oh?

[trail ether]

though @muted cosmos there is another thing for the wiki

[trail ether]

^

I get the feeling that a lot of people either do not read the ency pages or do not really understand them

[muted cosmos]

Excuse if the updates to the wiki are slow btw. Been very busy lately

[trail ether]

if the former those people are in for a very unpleasant surprise later in the game

[modest shoal]

wait its not? I got stasis rifle from the pda entry, what's the "real way"?

[trail ether]

it requires being able to "see" you to notice you

[marsh spear]

correct, the base game trains you not to lol. I generally do but I also didn't get how to gather them from that pda entry

[upper dock]

Yeah I'm reading all of the pages and I really didn't get anything about this from them

[modest shoal]

about the vines?

[marsh spear]

this means nothing to me tbh. I tried outrunning it, slowly approaching, waiting nearby to ambush it when it comes up, etc. before I found that growbed full of it

think I tried propulsion cannon too lol

[upper dock]

nah, the azurite. The vines I don't get either

but I figured it was stasis rifle

[marsh spear]

well if it needs to see you then obviously the answer is the "invisible" console command

[modest shoal]

Yeah, I don't know how the PDA would help you find your first azurite tbh, its pretty easy to spot, at least it was for me, its a glowy rock, I had picked some up before I even knew what it was

[modest shoal]

Yeah, that hint didn't do anything for me either, I figured that when the PDA said to ||circumvent its defenses|| it was to just make it not able to move, lol

[trail ether]

the azurite entry - being unlocked by scanning one - obviously cannot help you find the first one

that said there is another PDA entry that kind of does, indirectly

but the azurite PDA entry very much does help you find where most of it is, at least if you understand what it is saying and know the SN map

[modest shoal]

Well, ||there's some that's probably less than 200 meters from where the battery is, its pretty close, unless you pick up the battery and forget where that was, not much else to do|| it even glows, (sparks?) in the dark, so you just gotta explore around some more

[trail ether]

the battery has nothing to do with it

while the battery needs azurite to make, the thing that prompts you to find azurite has nothing to do with the battery

other than being geographically nearby

[modest shoal]

Well, that's pretty helpful though, no?

They had to make the battery somehow themselves, lol

[trail ether]

ah I see what you mean

I would not rely on that line of reasoning though because there is nothing stopping a player from assuming they came from somewhere far more distant than they actually did

especially if you find the island before ||pod 14||

[upper dock]

Still somehow not finding any somehow, dang

[modest shoal]

Ah, maybe put that in the PDA near the battery? Again though, I found it way before the battery, triggered my "ooo shiny" response

[upper dock]

looking in the wrong spot I guess

[trail ether]

the pda on the beach - which you will find first - mentions having come from the east

as does the Exploration Findings page referencing it

[modest shoal]

what is even east? the compas doesn't even work ;p

[trail ether]

ok fair

that is a good point

I did not even account for the magnetic influence of the QEP

though the "from the east" actually long predates the compass interference mechanic

[modest shoal]

even with those hints I gave? or are you trying without them

[upper dock]

with all of them except the Larger Spoiler

[marsh spear]

speaking of which, the audio for that and the second one by the same people have an audio bit at the top but it won't play

[trail ether]

many of the PDA logs are not voiced yet

I need people to do the VO

[marsh spear]

ahh ok

I would offer to help but I can't, at least not yet

[scenic stirrup]

there's TWO entrances to the aurora? i didnt know that

[coral dagger]

why does it need to be prevented? the hull plating needs a ton of mid game items anyway

i got the recipe early but couldn't make it for like 15 more hours

[trail ether]

because there is a specific thing you need and figure out to use

any way of avoiding needing to unlock that thing and know to use it is an exploit

[marsh spear]

Don't you need that anyway for ||abyssoclase||

[marsh spear]

I think the radius for the exploration log might be a bit too wide for LifePod 9, it just popped up while I'm in the ||jellyshroom caves||

unless a LifePod somehow got there

also (this is technically aqueous engineering rather than sea to sea but) how are we supposed to tell how many "units" creatures count as for the acu?

[marsh spear]

oh apparently that radio message I got was lifepod 9- maybe it triggered because of that

[coral dagger]

this was my thinking, i went to lifepod 15 early but it didn't feel like an exploit or sequence break because the blueprint wasn't useful until i got LR resources anyway, and the ||acoustic module|| is still needed for the ||void spikes||

[marsh spear]

also, taking a screenshot with steam crashed the game. no idea if thats because of c2c though

[trail ether]

did you get it when you got the radio message or when you played it

[marsh spear]

when I got it

[marsh spear]

I then had to reload my save because of the aforementioned crash, and haven't gotten the radio message again so I'm not sure what the trigger for it is actually

[marsh spear]

huh, I just saved, exited the game completelt, and reloaded my save and I had 4 platinum I didn't have before

I think it has to do with the fact that I had some platinum stolen by ||abyssal stalkers|| and now it's just back somehow?

also, there's too many recipes in the "basic materials" tab to fit on the screen so I can't make titanium out of salvage anymore

[upper dock]

Nothing will beat me going to the grand reef, seeing the ghost leviathan on the edge of the active sonar from my seamoth, ping the active sonar again about 15 seconds later and seeing the ghost leviathan be significantly closer and suddenly hard pivot and start coming in my direction

I got a little owned

[trail ether]

this is fixed by 2.0 but install radial tabs in the meantime

[marsh spear]

oof, sonar attracts shit now apparently, according to the website

[trail ether]

XD

[marsh spear]

rip ok

[upper dock]

yeah the active sonar slightly increases your sound level

I think what happened is the ghost leviathan had absolutely nothing around it to target

so the tiny blip the seamoth sonar made caused it to immediately barrel towards me

you can see something similar happen in below zero with the shadow leviathans, they have nothing whatsoever to target so any tiny noise you make or if they see you for a milisecond they immediately home in on you

[marsh spear]

so is your priority updating the existing version or porting to 2.0?

oh right you said you were waiting for the nautilus situation to resolve nvm

[trail ether]

2.0 comes when nautilus is done and I have the time to sink multiple months in it, and I am happy enough with the current state of things to enact an equally long moratorium on content and bugfixes

[marsh spear]

👍** **

[modest shoal]

So can that door I couldn't repair be fixed by a patch? Or do I just have to warp past it?

[marsh spear]

wow those ACU cleaning units are expensive

I made one, but I'm dreading making any more than that...

why are they so expensive, they don't grant access to any new resources

[trail ether]

??

[trail ether]

#1147624004648186009 message

[marsh spear]

a prawn propulsion cannon, camera drone and electric motor? for something that's basically just a more convenient way of doing something you could already do?

I've also never been able to get the farmable stalker teeth thing to work but I'm not sure if that's a bug or if I'm just missing something

I have a kelp biome acu, with a balanced ecosystem as far as I can tell, two stalkers, and 2 pieces of metal salvage

[trail ether]

why is that "so expensive"

that said you have a point that it gives you nothing extra

[marsh spear]

it's a pretty big hassle to get since copper's always short, plus it requires the prawn cannon arm blueprint which isn't exactly free

[trail ether]

I might just have the rate too low

[marsh spear]

Will giving them more chew toys affect it?

[trail ether]

to a point

also

different items have different value

[marsh spear]

right, silver's highest right

[trail ether]

no

silver is higher than scrap

but platinum is the highest

triple the value of scrap

[marsh spear]

oh. guess i'll add that to the to-do list, right after i figure out how to get the seamoth plankton scoop

[trail ether]

also I boosted the drop rate 50%

[trail ether]

and I adjusted the recipe

[marsh spear]

oh, perfect, thanks

[upper dock]

||>be me, finally find azurite||
||>watching reaper leviathan in the distance to see if it comes close enough to be dangerous||
||>clueless||
||>large shadow overhead||
||>see 3 pixels of mandible enter my vision||
||>pause game||

[marsh spear]

oof

[upper dock]

fucking silent asshole

[trail ether]

XD

[upper dock]

you're a dick grbsdxfbhcsxrht

(not meant seriously)

it's OK it just gave my seamoth a big hug and I got the 3 pieces I needed

[steady vault]

legacy

woops^^ meant to ask do we know about compatibility with c2c and autosort lockers - dont wanna brick my current run by installing it

[coral dagger]

does the rock crusher need power?

no just seems like the collision is super awkward

surely it could be made a bit better to use by just having it destory items in say a 2m radius

how do you get this stupid thing to work

i got it on one deposit

cannot get it on any others

[covert cradle]

Use the propulsion cannon (and perhaps the repulsion cannon) to bring the deposits to the rock crusher.
(Yes, sometimes it's easier to deconstruct it and build it near the next deposit)

[coral dagger]

i was doing that, it just still wasn't crushing

[marsh spear]

I use them together they work fine

[slender stone]

I confirm that the stone crusher is not working. however, if you restart the game with the crusher already built, it will work! for a while)) and then is silent again. it's broken.

[unreal flame]

It should, yeah

[faint jetty]

the new suit don't have any texture or model when i equip it i just see the normal suit

[trail ether]

I watched someone using it last night exactly like this and it was working fine

did you not power it

[coral dagger]

i did not but it eventually worked anyway?

[trail ether]

wtf?

[upper dock]

Can definitely confirm now that Cragfield causes the game's performance to slowly degrade over time

fixes itself once the area unloads

Whatever is causing it is in the southern part of the biome, I don't even have to fully leave the biome for the issue to resolve itself

[muted cosmos]

I’ve had thst happened too lol

I assumed the rock cracker was just really buggy

[neon rock]

how do i get azurite batteries?

or avolite

[trail ether]

does the sparse reef do the same

if perhaps more slowly

[trail ether]

....oh

do you have runtimeeditor enabled

and can you look in your log during the lag and see if something is spamming exceptions

[trail ether]

by progression

and not just "pick up azurite"

[upper dock]

I don't think so, let me know how to do that and I can check it out once I'm done finding platinum

[trail ether]

it is a mod you install

and then can be pulled up with F7

lets you both browse the available GameObjects and their hierarchy and components, manipulate their values, and to run arbitrary C# via the REPL console

[marsh spear]

very handy, helped me dissect the stupid pda code

[trail ether]

was going to hhave you use it to disable - and thus remove all code executing related to - the wreck C2C adds to the south crag

disabling a GO basically removes it from the world and suspends all its active code, without irreversibly destroying anything (unless there is a component reacting to OnDisable in a destructive manner)

[upper dock]

Oh wait yeah, I do have that

you had me grab it while trying to figure out the performance issues near the jellyshroom caves

[trail ether]

well there you go XD

[upper dock]

Alrighty then, send me the commands to run and the area to check and I'll do so when I can

I haven't actually... found a wreck in the south crag yet, I must have missed it

|| also is it just me or is this platinum... quite buried? It's the only piece my scanroom is picking up here lol ||

[trail ether]

it is not commands

just find the wreck - you can TP to it with a c2cpoi cragwreck command - and then open the runtime editor GUI and select the wreck by clicking on it

its name will likely be a long autogenerated string

[upper dock]

ah

[trail ether]

quite possibly the click will select some child object, in which case go up the hierarchy until you find said root object

[marsh spear]

do ||abyssal stalkers|| count towards any biome in the acu

[trail ether]

it will have a PrefabIdentifier component whose classID is a similar string, a TechTag component, and a LargeWorldEntity component

[trail ether]

yes

[marsh spear]

and presumably they also do the teeth thing

[trail ether]

much less commonly

[marsh spear]

...ah

they look cool but I can't justify replacing my ACU if it downgrades the material output

[trail ether]

||https://i.imgur.com/H0AGWP8.jpg||

that is the object the click found, but you can see the massive name in the middle thre

[upper dock]

will do!

[trail ether]

||https://i.imgur.com/u7sAi4I.jpg||

[marsh spear]

oh, ||abyssal stalker|| eggs can't go in the bioreactor

vanilla eggs can

[upper dock]

Well, I've teleported to the wreck and now the lag is not happening >:(

the log is doing this though

I booted up a new save in creative mode to test this

[pastel slate]

ramps over time

kinda

itll go from 2 things in one place to 5 at the worst

[trail ether]

this is known and should be harmless

[trail ether]

give it a few minutes

you said it worsens over time

[trail ether]

5 items per spawner should not lag out...

not intended obviously but also nto laggy

[trail ether]

fixed ||https://i.imgur.com/XGgH5OC.png||

[upper dock]

Yeah I've left it sit here for a while now and it's not doing it

it must be something else, or maybe it's caused by something that isn't active on a fresh save?

[trail ether]

I add nothing else to the south crag

the only other thing i add to the crag is plankton

i guess try sitting closer to the surface (<50m depth)

[upper dock]

there's supposed to be plankton in the crag?

[trail ether]

and give it some minutes to spawn

[trail ether]

yes

that is where I always go for mine

[upper dock]

do you mean the visible plankton that glow?

[trail ether]

yes

[upper dock]

I've never seen any here

only in the sparse reef

[trail ether]

it spawns in both

and a couple other places

[trail ether]

it only spawns near the surface inthe crag

and i am going to change that in the sparse reef too because it keeps spawning intersecting terrain there

[upper dock]

ah

yeah I can't replicate the lag

I have no idea what was causing it

[trail ether]

wtf

well

if it happens again you know what to try

[upper dock]

yeah

Before, I tabbed out of the game for a few minutes waiting for it to become daytime, and when I came back I was running at single-digit FPS

[trail ether]

weird

[upper dock]

instantly corrected itself once I got to the north end of the cragfield

[upper dock]

WELL

I do have a bug to report with the crag wreck

can't repair

[trail ether]

you commented on this a couple days ago

"the best kind of bug"

[upper dock]

yeah lol

seems I'm in the group it's consistent for

[modest shoal]

Should ||eye flame cores|| work? When I tried a few weeks ago they just vanished when I tried

[trail ether]

they have value too

[modest shoal]

Did you change it recently? When I tried like 2-3 weeks ago they just vanish if you right click them with the reactor open

[trail ether]

meanwhile for me https://i.imgur.com/Fx3O6Dz.jpg https://i.imgur.com/uAeLd3C.jpg

maybe it is a mod list thing

[upper dock]

I've also got a funny thing going on where these panels un-repair themselves

[trail ether]

that is not surprising

[upper dock]

if I quit the game and re-load the panels break again

[trail ether]

there is no serialization

so it is recreated from prefab

normally this is not even noticeable because do you really go there more than once

[upper dock]

the doors don't re-lock or anything like that so it doesn't actually matter, but it's funny

I guess I can just warp through the door

[trail ether]

yes

i suppose you can try and see if it happens with only my mods installed

[upper dock]

yep

[trail ether]

what the fuck

[marsh spear]

I'm certain this has been reported before but the ||place with deepvines- I think it's called the glass garden?|| is incredibly laggy

as is the crag field actually

[marsh spear]

it cleared up on its own, idk what was going on there

the other place is consistently laggy like low single digit FPS (read: 2-4)

[trail ether]

and it never recovers?

loading in lag is normal until 2.0

[marsh spear]

I didn't stay there long enough to find out tbh

grabbed some plant samples and left because I'm pretty sure I was being chased

[upper dock]

what a time capsule to find

it just had a shitload of water in it

[marsh spear]

ironically that's sort of a progression break

hm, my scanner room here is letting me scan for "||Sunbeam debris||" but isn't picking up anything

huh, I built a scanner room closer to where think the ||Sunbeam got shot down|| and it's not picking up anything at all... am I barking up the wrong tree?

also before I do the ||stasis rifle|| thing, what is the "intended" way to get alkali vines

[trail ether]

water? not really

[trail ether]

where is this

I have seen people assume it got shot down far to the west of where it did

[trail ether]

exploit LoS

[marsh spear]

the big ones you can use for the better enzyme recipe

[marsh spear]

near the gun, off to the left a bit and in the water

[marsh spear]

oh, I tried that and it didn't work, it was like it could see me around a corner lol

[modest shoal]

No, it was right about where it looked like it got shot down for me, does it show up on the scanner room list at all?

[marsh spear]

in one of the places yes, but it wouldn't ping any

it was in the list but no matter how long I waited no orange blips on the map or circles with the hud chip showed up

[modest shoal]

Describe your location in relationship from the qep

[marsh spear]

well considering I can't use the compass

[modest shoal]

Well, if you were standing on the platform the direction it points how far away are you and how deep

[marsh spear]

right now, 133 meters deep and within eyesight range of the underwater portion

[modest shoal]

Ah, it's a bit further than that

[trail ether]

and? you can produce those renewably

[marsh spear]

well my scanner range goes almost to the void in that direction?

[trail ether]

that is not where it crashed no

well "crashed"

[modest shoal]

There's a wreck nearby where the debris are

[trail ether]

remember: momentum exists

[marsh spear]

not without the filtration machine which takes sealant which is pretty hard to get considering alkali vines are so elusive, but ok maybe it's just a skill issue on my part

[marsh spear]

uhh yeah ngl I'm not remembering the cutscene that precisely

there's a command to play it again iirc will that screw anything up

[modest shoal]

There's also the issue that the debris respawn, so you being in a scanner room might not pick up debris that are 300+ meters away even if your scanner room reaches it

[marsh spear]

...ah

[modest shoal]

If you get near them with the scanner active, they'll show up on your Hud though

[trail ether]

it will not work

[trail ether]

???

...respawn?

there is code trickery meant to ensure they can only be found via a scanner room

but none of that is really sometyhing one could call "respawning"

[modest shoal]

Don't they? Unless I was blind, it pointed out stuff that wasn't there before

Oh, it could be that

[trail ether]

that is true yes

but that is not what respawning means

[modest shoal]

Assumed that a big red shard that was 100% not before was just rerolled and spawned

[trail ether]

respawning means reappearing after being removed

[trail ether]

the "spawner" objects are always there

but until the relevant StoryGoal is set they are inert

[marsh spear]

the command won't work?

[trail ether]

and even then they will only convert once "pinged" by a scanner room

at which point they delete the spawner object and spawn the normal debris object

[trail ether]

it will no-op

[marsh spear]

...ok then I guess I'll go on YouTube lol

[modest shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/inception-deeper-go-deeper-we-need-to-go-deeper-leonardo-di-caprio-gif-16756828

[marsh spear]

...the Sunbeam pretty much stops in midair before being blown up in the cutscene

but yeah I was looking pretty much at the right angle as far as I can tell

[modest shoal]

You're probably not that far away, it's just the scanner room being a jerk, I'd just search for a wreck instead, and build a scanner room next to that

[marsh spear]

how deep should I look for this wreck

[modest shoal]

Like ||300-350 meters||

[trail ether]

I do not add an actual wreck

in fact looking for a discrete piece of wreckage from the sunbeam is a common pitfall

but I assume you mean what I keep calling the tuning fork wreck design, though it is more shaped like a V

this time almost upright

[modest shoal]

The debris show up near ||the wreck at the bottom of the qep though||

[trail ether]

so yes

[modest shoal]

Yeah, like an A shape

[marsh spear]

oh there we go it pinged stuff now

[modest shoal]

I almost feel like you should recolor that wreck and just call it part of the sunbeam, would add the "expected" wreck people are looking for

Hmm, maybe not considering some of the stuff in it though, would be a lot of work to move those stuff to other locations

[marsh spear]

also, the Sunbeam debris pings need me to stand near em for a while before they actually spawn the item... not super great for my oxygen

[modest shoal]

I bet you're one of those weirdos who doesn't use the biggest oxygen tank but the "move faster" one!

[marsh spear]

no I use the ultra capacity tank

this is really not fun though, just waiting for the damn item to spawn

[trail ether]

they only spawn when the scanner room finds them

not just when you build a scanner room

[marsh spear]

the scanner room has found it

[trail ether]

then it converts instantly

[marsh spear]

I'm seeing the indicator on the hud chip

[marsh spear]

well uh. it isnt

[trail ether]

I added no timers or cooldowns

[marsh spear]

spose that makes this a bug then doesn't it

it's not in the floor either I checked

[trail ether]

a bug I watched not happen with a beta tester recently

[marsh spear]

we love inconsistent bugs

maybe the scanner room pinging things is taking place without the floor loaded in so the item falls into the abyss

wouldn't be the first time something like that has been an issue with a mod

yeah I've gone to every single one of these blips and I've only gotten 4 avolite out of it. a rifle takes 6

most of the ones that did work weren't even avolite

[trail ether]

that...is possible

well

not too possible

since the rigidbody should have kinematic set to true

[marsh spear]

it seems like that's probably not the problem actually

I canceled my scanner room and set it to scan again and some of the ones that didn't work before do now

so I have no idea what's going on

still most of them are stupid cosmetic items like the hats and toys, or metal salvage...

and I'm only at 5 of the resource I actually want from this

I promise you no one wants 15 hats and arcade gorge toys though

[trail ether]

it is a mix

[trail ether]

making it be sensible from an in-universe perspective > making it valuable

[marsh spear]

fair ig

[coral dagger]

reika do you know what would be causing terrible performance (like 30 fps) with only like 50% gpu cpu use?

[modest shoal]

Do you have volcanic filters built?

Those kill my fps

[faint jetty]

Hi reika can you make a booster for cyclops

like Azurite boosters the cyclops lights tern to blue inside and outside and it moves so faster not extra fast like it is for the void when like some ghost chasing you

it be great if you like it

like when so many ghost leviathans are chasing you the cyclops say to you warning so many leviathans class predator are in the sonar Azurite boosters activated

[barren oar]

that directly conflicts with a mechanic that explicitly forbids cyclops usage in the void

[faint jetty]

yea

[trail ether]

no

[trail ether]

then why would I add it

[faint jetty]

just with a new module for the cyclops in be great

think about it

and if you like it Reika

or just not for the void

[trail ether]

I have already made it clear I do not

and yet you thought simply reiterating the basic description would compel me to make it anyway

it is against my design goals and as such it is not going to happen

end of story

[faint jetty]

ok

end

also i play your mod and its great

[neon rock]

whats the aurora codes

in the mod?

they are changed

idek how to enter

[marsh spear]

i don't think they're changerd, but they're present in pdas like in vanilla

[neon rock]

oh i just found it

from 1454 it changed to 4257

[upper dock]

IIRC the codes are randomized per save in C2C

[neon rock]

thx

btw do i need a vehicle to explore the glass forest

[upper dock]

Most likely don't need one but you'd be hard pressed to get much accomplished that deep without one

[neon rock]

and where can i find sunbeam debris

i could not find anything around the island

[trail ether]

.....

[neon rock]

nah i mean

open the door with the code

im sorry

i do know how to get in

[trail ether]

so that people actually read the entries yes

though so far there have already been several people who apparently memorized the vanilla codes and did not think to check the PDAs to find the new ones, instead asking me for the codes

[marsh spear]

tbf who doesn't memorize the vanilla codes

[trail ether]

me

among others

but my point was more that there have already been multiple people for whom the idea of reading the PDAs like you have to do the first time you play did not occur to them

then again maybe I am being too generous and these people just googled for the codes the first time

like those people who apparently google coordinates for wrecks and pods the first time (cough cough "Where is Hull Plating?!!?!11!" cough)

[marsh spear]

ah lol yeah I feel like you should put a warning on the mod site "don't ignore the pda"

[trail ether]

that is a good idea

for when i get my drive data back

[marsh spear]

oof, drive failed?

[trail ether]

in august

been running recovery since

[marsh spear]

oh no

[trail ether]

NTFS file table is where the damage is

but there are apparently tools to repair that

but I need to finish the iso clone first

it is almost done

a few days to go

[marsh spear]

I hope it works out

oh, right, is there a command or something to add that bugged pda entry?

the floating island desk one

[trail ether]

you already have it

it is checking a nonexistent flag

the fix when released will apply automatically

as it will now check the correct flag

[marsh spear]

oh ok

[trail ether]

        private string generatePDAContent() {
            string desc = SeaToSeaMod.miscLocale.getEntry("TrackerPage").pda+"\n";
            bool incomplete = false;
            bool any = false;
            foreach (Finding f in findings.Values) {
                if (GameModeUtils.currentGameMode != GameModeOption.Creative && f.trigger.isTriggered.Invoke()) {
                    desc += "\t •  "+f.desc+"\n\n";
                    any = true;
                }
                else if (!f.trigger.isOptional || f.trigger.triggerMoreToExplore) {
                    incomplete = true;
                }
            }
            if (!any)
                desc = "";
            if (incomplete)
                desc += string.Format("{1}<color=#FF9D14FF>{0}</color>", SeaToSeaMod.miscLocale.getEntry("TrackerPage").getField<string>("incomplete"), any ? "\n" : "");
            return desc;
        }```

[marsh spear]

It was just messing with me not having that section "completed"

[trail ether]

it just checks the flag for each "finding"

like the condition

and if met it adds that entry

else it does not and marks it incomplete

[coral dagger]

do you know why every time i load the game it puts the yellow unread marker on all the outer wilds logs?

[trail ether]

I add that marker every time they change

[coral dagger]

even the completed ones get that

[trail ether]

and since they start empty and are generated at runtime that would do it

[coral dagger]

oh

right ok

makes sense and not a big deal

[trail ether]

not sure I can even fix it

since the update is polling-based not trigger-based

well

I suppose I can make it not apply the notification for the very first content change

since the odds that you make a discovery in the first 0.25s of the game being loaded are minimal

[marsh spear]

WHAT. I built a multipurpose room and it deleted my water filtration machine. I don't think that's a c2c thing just .... why

[trail ether]

vanilla does that

[marsh spear]

welp time to use the console to get it back lol I am Not gathering those resources again

[coral dagger]

pre 2.0 is so glitchy honestly

[trail ether]

ok potentially fixed

[marsh spear]

I forgot how bad it was besides collision tbh

[upper dock]

Yeah my first playthrough was on 2.0

So going back to legacy for this has been interesting

[marsh spear]

mine was in early access

[marsh spear]

wait, so you need ||sealed fabric|| to make the ||liquid breathing mask|| but the blueprint for ||sealed fabric|| is... 500m down?

[modest shoal]

You sure it's really that far down? I'm pretty sure it's not that far, I don't remember where I got it, but I haven't crafted it or it's children yet

[marsh spear]

er, apparently it's 441 meters down

still

my seamoth can only go 300m without plasteel which I'm fairly sure I need at least the sealed suit for if not the reinforced one

[coral dagger]

i mean you can just suicide mission the geysers

build a base next to it and keep trying to place the filter until you get it there

[upper dock]

You can also get the ||seamoth mk2 depth module|| before you need the ||liquid mask||

[marsh spear]

huh? it needs plasteel

[marsh spear]

I don't actually have the blueprint for it

is the blueprint not found in a really hot cave

[upper dock]

explicit spoiler ||there's a plasteel ingot in the locked crate in degasi jellyshroom base||

[marsh spear]

...bruh

ok

also I've got silver and scrap in my ACU and have over 24 hours in this save and still not a single tooth

[upper dock]

Yeah stalkers in my ACU have yet to spawn a tooth either

It doesn't really matter because I just built a scanner room in a kelp forest instead

[marsh spear]

I just want passive teeth for when I need them

0x00000001808EDC44 (unityplayer) (function-name not available)
0x00000000212889AA (Mono JIT Code) (wrapper managed-to-native) UnityEngine.Object:FindObjectsOfType (System.Type)
0x0000000033051523 (Mono JIT Code) UnityEngine.Object:FindObjectOfType (System.Type)
0x00000000330514A3 (Mono JIT Code) UnityEngine.Object:FindObjectOfType<T_REF> ()
0x0000000041DB00B3 (Mono JIT Code) ReikaKalseki.Auroresource.FallingMaterialSystem:tick (single,single)
0x000000003838F80B (Mono JIT Code) ReikaKalseki.Auroresource.ARHooks:tickPlayer (Player)
0x0000000033118E95 (Mono JIT Code) (wrapper delegate-invoke) System.Action`1<T_REF>:invoke_void_T (T_REF)
0x000000002DA6A48A (Mono JIT Code) ReikaKalseki.DIAlterra.DIHooks:tickPlayer (Player)
0x00000000237A8723 (Mono JIT Code) (wrapper dynamic-method) Player:DMDPlayer::Update (Player)
0x000000001296A820 (Mono JIT Code) (wrapper runtime-invoke) object:runtime_invoke_void__this__ (object,intptr,intptr,intptr)
ERROR: SymGetSymFromAddr64, GetLastError: 'Invalid handle.' (Address: 0000000003A9BFB0)
weird crash immediately on load

or rather, while at 90%

looks like maybe it was trying to handle something too early

ok it happens consistently now

[modest shoal]

Yeah, I get a c2d on about a quarter of my loads, typically never back to back though

[marsh spear]

happened twice in a row for me

I'll try a third time

thrice in a row

rip

looking through the logs, it's always the same error

[marsh spear]

this one

[coral dagger]

no, it's in a ||very similar location to the bacterial samples||

if you think where you found the samples, there's an equivalent location elsewhere on the map

[marsh spear]

ah. well that might have helped me if i wasn't locked out of the game by this crash

[trail ether]

what the fuck?

oh and THAT does not trigger a profanity filter

[trail ether]

you never need to get yourself killed to progress in c2c

[trail ether]

wtf?

why would you possibly assume you need those for plasteel

[marsh spear]

uh you need the volcanic traces right

[coral dagger]

lol the number of things i've gotten through suicide

[trail ether]

fixed

[coral dagger]

built a mini base next to each wreck that was deeper than i could survive

[trail ether]

yes?

[trail ether]

translation: I need to re-lock recipes achieved less than X seconds before death

[marsh spear]

i thought i got them from really hot areas

which i'd need the suit to survive in

apparently i was barking up the wrong tree with where to get the blueprints, though

[modest shoal]

You will have to get volcanic traces significantly before getting the suit to stop you from taking damage from heat

[marsh spear]

btw is there a place you post when you update the mod? especially for cases like where I literally can't play until the update goes out, it'd be nice to have a way to get notified

[marsh spear]

also for those who have played with the 'lifepod drift' option, how much time does it give you? is it managable or is it a massive issue?

[marsh spear]

...why did I get the crater edge exploration log (empty) while in the safe shallows in a new save

[upper dock]

||lifepod 15|| being funny maybe?

[marsh spear]

I'm literally like 5 minutes in

idk

[marsh spear]

update: it's manageable, i speedran getting a base with a fabricator and radio and it wasn't a problem

[trail ether]

my site, normally

but again drive issues

[trail ether]

a few days

[trail ether]

someone else had that happen and I have no idea why

[marsh spear]

right ok sorry

[marsh spear]

hm

[trail ether]

i did change its trigger condition

so now it should be less prone to premature firing

[marsh spear]

oh that's more than manageable, ok. curious what the point of that setting is, tbh, considering you can speedrun a builder tool and a base equivalent to the lifepod in less than one in game day

just to force more base building?

[trail ether]

yes

and it was something someone on YT wanted

[marsh spear]

ah

[trail ether]

it is not meant to be a time pressure

it is meant to be a "you absolutely need to prioritize building a base"

[marsh spear]

actually i've... never seen anyone play c2c on youtube, come to think of it. usually it's the more clickbaity "we added 3 new leviathans" mods that get featured, lol

also, looking at the website

Any kind of teleportation except maybe of the player between seabases
did you have a mod in mind when you wrote that. because that sounds fantastic actually

would probably break my pc considering how long teleporting with the vanilla precursor gates takes, though

[trail ether]

it was a commenter not a YTer

[upper dock]

It didn't happen to me, but I did have Lifepod 15 in my beacon list from the instant I started

[marsh spear]

aah

[trail ether]

yes, but not the seabase part

[marsh spear]

oof

[trail ether]

wtf

[marsh spear]

the only one i could find for that is "Bed Teleport" and that's a 2.0 mod

[upper dock]

I think it might have been a weird interaction with the map mod or something?

[trail ether]

there is a seamoth teleport module mod

[upper dock]

since I first noticed the beacon on the map

but then checked it in my list and it was there too

I did still get the lifepod 15 radio message like normal

[marsh spear]

damn, because 'teleport between seabases' is a mod i'd absolutely love- might look into making it, although making new mods for legacy is probably not a great idea

because the only people who'll play it are c2c folks probably, lol

oh right, those sounds that i assume are meteors falling? lots of interference followed by a sploosh? those are audible at full volume no matter where you are which is kinda annoying

[trail ether]

"interference"?

[marsh spear]

sounds kinda like tv static?

[trail ether]

.....no?

not at all

[marsh spear]

yeah, that

[trail ether]

the entry sound is derived from my sound in MeteorCraft, which is much older and a similar concept

[marsh spear]

ah

[marsh spear]

it sounds kinda like the electronic interference sounds subnautica uses a lot

but anyway. hearing those while inside a seabase 100m down is a little odd

[trail ether]

true

[marsh spear]

i'm not sure what the point of it is- i assume you need that scanner room upgrade to find them, because i have swam in the 'direction' it sounded like it was coming from and saw nothing

[trail ether]

you do not need the scanner room, though it would massively help

also I made the sound only audible under 50m depth or within 100m

[marsh spear]

hahaha

that's hilarious

[trail ether]

that took way more work to make possible than you can imagine

[upper dock]

OK that's a really funny gag

does the ||azurite battery|| actually make tools using it more powerful?

[trail ether]

and canonically possible too given the pda in the bar referencing berkeley's incident with the repl gun

if it can punch through the outer hull it can certainly blow out a door

[trail ether]

yes

[marsh spear]

looks like it tbh

[upper dock]

that's super cool, I've only used it in the repulsion cannon so far

I was wondering if you just buffed the shit out of the repulsion cannon or if it launching bonesharks into the stratosphere was a bug desrgvsdrxfhbsd

[trail ether]

        public static float getPropulsionCannonForce(PropulsionCannon prop) {
            float ret = prop.attractionForce;
            if (isHeldToolAzuritePowered())
                ret *= 3;
            float temp = WaterTemperatureSimulation.main.GetTemperature(Player.main.transform.position);
            if (temp >= 100)
                ret *= Mathf.Max(0.04F, 1F/((temp-99)/50F));
            return ret;
        }
        
        public static float getPropulsionCannonThrowForce(PropulsionCannon prop) {
            float ret = prop.shootForce;
            if (isHeldToolAzuritePowered())
                ret *= 1.5F;
            return ret;
        }
        
        public static float getRepulsionCannonThrowForce(RepulsionCannon prop) {
            float ret = RepulsionCannon.shootForce;
            if (isHeldToolAzuritePowered())
                ret *= 4;
            return ret;
        }

        public static float getSeaglideSpeed(float f) { //1.45 by default
            if (SeaToSeaMod.fastSeaglideCheatActive)
                return 40;
            //SNUtil.writeToChat("Get SG speed, was "+f+", has="+Mathf.Approximately(e.battery.capacity, C2CItems.t2Battery.capacity));
            if (isHeldToolAzuritePowered()) {
                float bonus = 0.75F; //was 0.55 then 0.95
                float depth = Player.main.GetDepth();
                float depthFactor = depth <= 50 ? 1 : 1-((depth-50)/350F);
                if (depthFactor > 0) {
                    f += bonus*depthFactor;
                }
            }
            return f;
        }
        
        public static float getScannerSpeed(float f) { //f is a divisor, scanTime
            if (isHeldToolAzuritePowered()) {
                f *= 0.5F; //double speed
            }
            return f;
        }
        
        public static float getLaserCutterSpeed(LaserCutter lc) { //25 by default
            float amt = lc.healthPerWeld;
            if (isHeldToolAzuritePowered())
                amt *= 1.5F;
            return amt;
        }
        
        public static float getRepairSpeed(Welder lc) { //10 by default
            float amt = lc.healthPerWeld;
            if (isHeldToolAzuritePowered())
                amt *= 2F;
            return amt;
        }```

[upper dock]

now I know why that happens

[marsh spear]

i've never used azurite batteries besides crafting with them, they're so expensive- i take the battery out of the laser cutter to craft the stasis rifle

lol

[trail ether]

doors are a mess

https://i.imgur.com/jviD869.jpg

[marsh spear]

i figured given past experiences

[upper dock]

Are you planning to make that work on any other doors or is it a one-off for this

[trail ether]

the root GO has physics, and then the door is a child object of a type normally used as a top-level object, with its own independent physics - including the frame on the same object - and a StarshipDoor component which forcibly overrides the door's movement, and the actual door object clips into the frame

[upper dock]

(sounds like it's a huge pain so)

[trail ether]

so I had to basically uncouple the door from the frame, then remove all door logic from the whole object, then briefly disable colliders on the door, then give it the physics kick, then schedule the re-enabling of the colliders so it does not go through the far wall, while also recomputing all its mass and inertia and CoM properties since they were previously calculated for the entire door-wall-keypad assembly

[upper dock]

god

[marsh spear]

💀 ngl at that point i'd probably remove the door from the frame object and just make a new object with the same model

[trail ether]

oh

and to make it even better

I had to circumvent usual repl gun code

and hook into the code where it even tries to grab an object

since by the time it actually has the door shits itself if you let it move

all the parts clip into each other and the whole thing starts wiggling like a hamster with parkinsons

[trail ether]

the actual code is not that awful

but working out what to do was

        public static void onRepulsionCannonTryHit(RepulsionCannon prop, Rigidbody rb) {
            if (isHeldToolAzuritePowered() && rb.gameObject.GetFullHierarchyPath().Contains("CaptainsQuarters_Keypad")) {
                StarshipDoor s = rb.GetComponent<StarshipDoor>();
                //SNUtil.writeToChat("S: "+s);
                if (s) {
                    GameObject go = s.gameObject;
                    GameObject door = ObjectUtil.getChildObject(rb.gameObject, "Starship_doors_manual_01/Starship_doors_automatic");
                    Rigidbody rb2 = door.EnsureComponent<Rigidbody>();
                    rb2.copyObject(rb);
                    UnityEngine.Object.Destroy(s.GetComponent<StarshipDoorLocked>()); //need to do directly since removecomponent calls destroyImmediate, and this is an anim call
                    UnityEngine.Object.Destroy(s);
                    //SNUtil.writeToChat("C: "+string.Join(", ", go.GetComponents<MonoBehaviour>().Select<Component, string>(c => c.GetType().Name).ToArray()));
                    rb2.isKinematic = false;
                    rb2.mass = 500;
                    rb2.ResetCenterOfMass();
                    rb2.ResetInertiaTensor();
                    rb2.detectCollisions = true;
                    rb2.transform.SetParent(null);
                    foreach (Collider c in rb2.GetComponentsInChildren<Collider>()) {
                        c.enabled = false;
                    }
                    rb2.velocity = MainCamera.camera.transform.forward*30F+Vector3.up*7.5F;
                    rb2.angularVelocity = MathUtil.getRandomVectorAround(Vector3.zero, 2.5F);
                    door.EnsureComponent<FlyingDoor>().Invoke("solidify", 0.05F);
                    door.EnsureComponent<FlyingDoor>().Invoke("thump", 0.15F);
                }
            }
        }
        
        private class FlyingDoor : MonoBehaviour {
            
            private static readonly SoundManager.SoundData impactSound = SoundManager.registerSound(SeaToSeaMod.modDLL, "doorhit", "Sounds/doorhit.ogg", SoundManager.soundMode3D, s => {SoundManager.setup3D(s, 200);}, SoundSystem.masterBus);
            
            void solidify() {
                foreach (Collider c in GetComponentsInChildren<Collider>()) {
                    c.enabled = true;
                }    
            }
            
            void thump() {
                SoundManager.playSoundAt(impactSound, transform.position, false, 40, 2);
                SoundManager.playSoundAt(impactSound, transform.position, false, 40, 2);
            }
            
        }```

[trail ether]

it is a one-off

and was only done because just changing the code in the PDA log was insufficient for this door

as it has a voice-acted message also reading out the code

[upper dock]

yeah

[trail ether]

so I needed to instead make the code canonically wrong and justify in universe why

[marsh spear]

hey giving a mandated use for the repulsion cannon is neat i guess, i usually don't make it because the propulsion cannon is more useful

[upper dock]

conversly I literally never use the propulsion cannon lol

[trail ether]

and then rather than putting a new PDA somewhere with a hint - which is both boring and has nowhere good to put it - I thought of this

[trail ether]

this is an auxiliary benefit yes

[marsh spear]

well, i only use it for the aurora and for crafting a prawn propulsion arm maybe... but it's more than i use the repulsion cannon for

[upper dock]

I use the repulsion cannon a decent bit

for making bonesharks fuck off mainly

[trail ether]

also I just pushed an update

a big one

many days of development

[upper dock]

Nice

[marsh spear]

nice, now i can play the game again (on my main save)

[trail ether]

lots and lots of fixes

and some new features

[upper dock]

Curious actually, with the ||azurite battery|| can the repulsion cannon bully leviathans a bit

or is it still not strong enough

[trail ether]

it cannot grab them no

[upper dock]

oh, does the repulsion cannon still need to "grab"

[marsh spear]

wonderful start

[trail ether]

I use "grab" to mean "affect"

[trail ether]

it obviously worked for me

[upper dock]

ah

[marsh spear]

lemme see what the error is

[QModManager:ERROR] Invoking the specified entry method "PreLoad" failed for mod "ReikaKalseki.SeaToSea"
[QModManager:ERROR] System.Reflection.TargetInvocationException: Exception has been thrown by the target of an invocation. ---> System.ArgumentNullException: Value cannot be null.
Parameter name: key
at System.Collections.Generic.Dictionary2[TKey,TValue].TryInsert (TKey key, TValue value, System.Collections.Generic.InsertionBehavior behavior) [0x00008] in <567df3e0919241ba98db88bec4c6696f>:0 at System.Collections.Generic.Dictionary2[TKey,TValue].set_Item (TKey key, TValue value) [0x00000] in <567df3e0919241ba98db88bec4c6696f>:0
at ReikaKalseki.DIAlterra.Config1[E].attachOverride (E key, System.Func2[T,TResult] val) [0x00009] in <550d53561197439ea68928219f627a22>:0
at ReikaKalseki.DIAlterra.Config`1[E].attachOverride (E key, System.Single val) [0x0000e] in <550d53561197439ea68928219f627a22>:0
at ReikaKalseki.SeaToSea.C2CIntegration.injectConfigValues () [0x00181] in <cfd98d220ffa4d34b72d2bdc4d5a659c>:0
at ReikaKalseki.SeaToSea.SeaToSeaMod.PreLoad () [0x0000d] in <cfd98d220ffa4d34b72d2bdc4d5a659c>:0
at (wrapper managed-to-native)

i think it's an issue with config file generation

because i backed up my config file and deleted the whole seatosea folder before installing the update

[trail ether]

I changed a config name I think

[marsh spear]

ah. well on second load, with the config file intact, it still crashes

[trail ether]

purge your configs and try again

[marsh spear]

first time it crashed was with no config file, it generated a new one

second crash was after i restored the config file, same error

are you sure you changed that config name everywhere

purged configs, loaded again, same issue

none of the option names are different in the generated config from the one i backed up

[trail ether]

that is not how my configs are done

they are identified by an enum

also i cannot actually find any record of a name change

[marsh spear]

i meant like, in the code that generates the config files, but good to know

[marsh spear]

ah

[trail ether]

also this is not config loading code

this is C2C trying to override another mod's config

and finding no corresponding mapping

did you miss updating a mod

I did change that code

[marsh spear]

oh i completely missed that other mods updated too

[trail ether]

as it has a new config in Ecocean it hooks into https://i.imgur.com/mZ9qcra.png

as that feature is new

[marsh spear]

when i was looking in the releases i swear only one of them said '6 minutes ago' and the rest were older

that'd do it

[trail ether]

my todo list contains a thing about making the site show last update times for mod downloads

might also add one to the homepage modlist

[marsh spear]

...well, the update doesn't seem to have fixed my crash

[trail ether]

now what is it

[marsh spear]

ERROR: SymGetSymFromAddr64, GetLastError: 'Invalid handle.' (Address: 000000018058A330)
0x000000018058A330 (unityplayer) (function-name not available)
ERROR: SymGetSymFromAddr64, GetLastError: 'Success.' (Address: 000000018088C229)
0x000000018088C229 (unityplayer) (function-name not available)
ERROR: SymGetSymFromAddr64, GetLastError: 'Success.' (Address: 00000001808EDC44)
0x00000001808EDC44 (unityplayer) (function-name not available)
0x000000002297937A (Mono JIT Code) (wrapper managed-to-native) UnityEngine.Object:FindObjectsOfType (System.Type)
0x0000000045FD4013 (Mono JIT Code) UnityEngine.Object:FindObjectOfType (System.Type)
0x0000000045FD3F93 (Mono JIT Code) UnityEngine.Object:FindObjectOfType<T_REF> ()
0x000000004295E9A3 (Mono JIT Code) ReikaKalseki.Auroresource.FallingMaterialSystem:tick (single,single)
0x000000004295E89B (Mono JIT Code) ReikaKalseki.Auroresource.ARHooks:tickPlayer (Player)
0x00000000325FC8D5 (Mono JIT Code) (wrapper delegate-invoke) System.Action`1<T_REF>:invoke_void_T (T_REF)
0x000000002D00B64A (Mono JIT Code) ReikaKalseki.DIAlterra.DIHooks:tickPlayer (Player)
0x000000003E859183 (Mono JIT Code) (wrapper dynamic-method) Player:DMD<Player::Update> (Player)
0x0000000011AAA820 (Mono JIT Code) (wrapper runtime-invoke) object:runtime_invoke_void__this__ (object,intptr,intptr,intptr)
ERROR: SymGetSymFromAddr64, GetLastError: 'Invalid handle.' (Address: 0000000003A9BFB0)```

same as before i think

still loads to 90%, then freezes and crashes

and only on that save, i started a new one and it works fine

[trail ether]

it looks like unity functions are erroring

that makes no sense

[marsh spear]

you're kidding me

i have to scan 21 ||geyser corals||???

and that's without hard mode on

i swear next update is going to be 'kharaa progression now actually takes place over time and you need to eat enzyme peepers to combat it'

[trail ether]

cough ||https://i.imgur.com/e9y0v4B.png||

[marsh spear]

...oh my god

[trail ether]

you are not quite right

for one it was added two weeks ago

[marsh spear]

💀 I didn't want to be right

that's hilarious though

oh haha

funny thing that makes these mazes trivial

super seaglide plus a bad PC lets you clip through walls and just swim around in the floor

...when you scan for ||geyser coral|| could ones you've already scanned not show up? that'd be a big help

same for ||bacteria|| if that works the same way

especially because, unlike bacteria, there's no visual indicator when you've scanned one

[trail ether]

that was discussed and it neither fits how anything else behaves nor is how ResourceTracker and its monitors are designed to work

[trail ether]

there is

it is just more subtle

[marsh spear]

ah. I can't tell

sorry for low quality but uhhh

[unreal flame]

for the record I tried to get that number down to like 18

[marsh spear]

........well, the ||mushkooshcave||.xml file lists locations for 22... and after warping to each one because something seems to be afoot, i am at 20/21 scanned and some of them weren't actually there

so something's up

[marsh spear]

not to mention that one that's just. in the abyss over there apparently, but not really there (can't scan it)

i already checked 000, they're not there

[unreal flame]

||double check with a scanner room||