Rework of PvP (hear me out on this) | Old School RuneScape | Page 1

idle knot Jul 17, 2023, 3:22 PM

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That could work, good call on the second paragraph - some aspects of the wildy are remnants of a distant past, a rework wouldn't go amiss. Let's be bluntly honest with each other here, very few people have reason to go out into the wildy if they dislike PVP, and will mostly bring their naked bodies for clue scrolls or minimal-loss gear like 3-item + black dhide for bossing. Look at how many people jumped into the wildy compared to before when they had opt-out PKing introduced in RS3, it shows the majority's disdain.

Currently, it's mostly PvP-heads fighting each other with an occasional naked or almost-naked going in because "I have to for this scroll/this boss". The "small fish" will have nothing good on them, meaning the big fish are generally starving - all hanging around bosses or other popular areas, changing channels to find them. If I wanted a change-channel simulator, I'd pick an idle clicker game. If I wanted a game with huge areas of dead content with a small amount of content, I'd pick Far Cry

Make it more than cosmetics then, if that's going to be an issue - have some unique items that only PVPers can get, which, get this, are ONLY good in PVP (think wow's pvp gear vs pve gear - no person in their sane mind will go into pve content worlds with pvp gear as it only benefits you in pvp.

Keep the cosmetics, pets, construction stuff though, and the thrill of battle with "big fish" being almost guaranteed, because, everyone in that world, get this, WANTS to fight. They're THERE to fight, they're fully kitted up, they're ready and good to go to rock your shit, are you?

Nobody is going to be forgiving if you're going out of lumbridge naked, or if you're a max account going out of smithing (why would you be skilling in a pvp world anyway?), you'd BETTER get ready to get your shit kicked in at any point. Game on.

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It's been shown that the PKers amount to about 3-5% of the total population, with way more than that avoiding wilderness out of dislike of PVP. My question is, at what point is catering to the minority a good decision?

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Instead of making the risk the PKers, make the risk the PVE, make the risk actually tough enemies vs weak players, not weak players vs tough players. Think outside the box, instead of the limited space you can see at present due to all we have, instead see what could be.

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Don't dismiss the group, rework what is currently working poorly for them, while also catering equally to the 95-97%. Make PKing more accessible, wider spread, and with better rewards - hell, make it ONLY loot-drop, no "safe worlds" for pvp. I'd go honestly if I had a chance at glory, while knowing it'd only be useful in PVP or as cosmetics - it wouldn't be a requirement to get the BIS gaer.

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Separate out PVP and PVE, just like most good MMOs do

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WOW for example, you CAN opt in to war mode, fight anyone anywhere, get unique rewards and bonuses, OR you can just opt-out (like RS3 opt out in wildy) and get less rewards.

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then make it super good gear, like god-tier, stuff pvpers can not live without.

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the ambrosia of PVP

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I'm being a little bit over the top, hence calling it ambrosia - in essence, make honor able to buy gear over time, but don't have it super effective like "lol I have this I do 500% your damage", make it like little bonus effects

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little advantages

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let people who want to kill each other, kill each other, and let people who want to fight unique cool new monsters, kill unique cool monsters, with their FULL gear, full power, not dhide because "eh ill probably be camped for my couple of K"

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It restricts players who aren't going in with full power who don't want to lose 150mil to a guy who jumps in while they're fighting a boss and snares them on top of it so they have to pray physical

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that, to me , is the sign of a pussy

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the guy who doesn't have an equal fight, who isn't looking for fun, who goes instead out to essentially "I'm a rogue I'm going to snipe this lower level from stealth" in wow

prisma trail Jul 17, 2023, 3:38 PM

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WOW for example, you CAN opt in to war mode, fight anyone anywhere, get unique rewards and bonuses, OR you can just opt-out (like RS3 opt out in wildy) and get less rewards.
this just sounds like either rs3 wildy or pvp worlds

idle knot Jul 17, 2023, 3:39 PM

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Instead, how about higher rewards for higher risk from enemies?

prisma trail Jul 17, 2023, 3:39 PM

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that's just called regular pvm which doesn't need to necessarily even be in the wildy though

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the primary risk of being in the wildy is pvp

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nothing in the wildy itself, minus pking, is inherently difficult

idle knot Jul 17, 2023, 3:39 PM

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Then make it harder.

prisma trail Jul 17, 2023, 3:40 PM

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it is, by virtue of pking

idle knot Jul 17, 2023, 3:40 PM

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it'll make 1) less dead areas, because people JUST focus around hot-spots 2) more challenge for PVE in the end-game, with 3) more risk

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....without....pking

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I could avoid pking for days simply by avoiding heavy-trod areas, I could afk at certain spots

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and move every 5 minutes

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far-cry syndrome

prisma trail Jul 17, 2023, 3:41 PM

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if you make everything in the wildy super good, you will still have hotspots

idle knot Jul 17, 2023, 3:41 PM

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then remove the damn pking lmao

prisma trail Jul 17, 2023, 3:41 PM

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doesn't matter what you revitalise or not

idle knot Jul 17, 2023, 3:41 PM

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even if only in certain worlds

prisma trail Jul 17, 2023, 3:41 PM

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"rework of pvp"
> just remove it

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insane

idle knot Jul 17, 2023, 3:41 PM

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in....certain wo...

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are these words too complex?

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in certain worlds

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What would be the problem with introducing non-pvp worlds, OR opt out PKING

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rather than looking at the other angle, let's look at that one, what would be the downside

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once we find out the downside, we figure out a balance

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make drop rates HIGHER if you opt in to pvp

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no, because why would you go in if you couldn't do the clue scrolls you were given

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exactly, now think that out for a second

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"they always go for less risk"

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a) most people LOVE pvp, and want to risk shit
b) most people HATE pvp and don't want to risk shit

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what is the correct answer for the majority

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the one with less risk

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as you said

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That is what we're discussing here right?

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If not, why are we going off topic

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we're discussing risk

prisma trail Jul 17, 2023, 3:46 PM

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just answer the question lol

idle knot Jul 17, 2023, 3:46 PM

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so I answered risk

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Why are you changing away from the question at hand

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with another question

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and why is lily gangbanging

prisma trail Jul 17, 2023, 3:47 PM

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?? this is a public game suggestions post

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you're not in dms

idle knot Jul 17, 2023, 3:47 PM

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does Artio go out and say "yo imma PK this skiller" when they're bored of hanging waiting for people to fight them?

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No, they're not a PKer

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They're a boss

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That's a very flawed viewpoint

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Then take them out of wildy

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and have wildy JUST as a kill zone

prisma trail Jul 17, 2023, 3:48 PM

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they're a boss in the wildy

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what

idle knot Jul 17, 2023, 3:49 PM

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no duh

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then....take....them....out....of....wildy.... (and put them outside of wildy)

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sigh, im basically 2v1ing in this, I'm gonna let you guys win

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it's hard to argue with people who have already won in their minds

prisma trail Jul 17, 2023, 3:49 PM

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so then what's the need to buff drop rates then?

idle knot Jul 17, 2023, 3:49 PM

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(also I have work to go do)

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(I'll be back later)

#Rework of PvP (hear me out on this)