Please change Heros' quest.

[rose grove]

I have spent several hours trying to get help on the FSW servers with this quest - it requires a player from a rival gang to help you.
I understand that the point of this quest is to foster a form of bond between players that are willing to help each other out, but what it actually does is make a market for people who want to either scam, or sell the quest for money, and also people that just want to pay for the quest so they can move on.
At the very least, you'll be stuck waiting for someone for several hours, or maybe even longer.
In general I have always found this part of the quest to be unenjoyable, and it's made worse with smaller servers like the FSW servers - where many people are not questing, but just swaping GP over to kill revnants for the swap rate.

This is something that does not foster fun, it takes away from the community, and it creates a sub community of people that want to exploit the clear issue with the quest to extort other players while never being forced to finish the quest themselves so they can just repeat the cycle of extortion - Something with this quest MUST change, because it makes a very unpleasant player experience for content that's really only "Beginner / intermediate" content by todays standards. - I get that not every aspect of the game has to be for pleasure, but this is a case where I think the creators of the quest had good intentions, but it just didn't age well.

Questing should be viable, and fun and actually throw challenge at you - but I don't think the game devs ever intended for the quest to turn into an extortion ring.

if you pay for membership, no matter how you're paying for it, you should be playing the game, not waiting around on someones whim that you complete your quest or not while making a sub community around extortion. For this content it would be nice if an alternative method for INDIVIDUALS was added - even if it were more difficult, the ability to be self reliant would go a long way in present day.

https://imgur.com/HDyQWnV - example player wants 2m for 2 minutes of work when it should be an incentive to finish his quest to progress his account - he sees it as a way to progress his account by making the other person pay 2m, and can repeat this many times. - This is also something that puts the ball firmly in the court of the black arm gang member, as they are the one who ends up with both candlesticks putting the other gang member at their mercy. This is where more extortion can happen if the other player already paid. - for a game that's goal is to foster community, this is something that strains it.

This also takes place in shield of arrav, but it's easy to complete that quest with the help of a second free to play account - the shield of arrav is just as bad though, as many of the people selling that quest want 100-200k, and that's a lot to ask of a new player. - due to the free nature of that quest, a lot of people sell it too, might be one of the best f2p afk money maker - which i think is very wrong.

[rose grove]

When this content was new, everyone was excited to help each other for progression, because everyone always wanted their quests complete in anticipation for what would be released next - what has happen with this quest is it's devolved, and become a cesspool and a gate on the community controlled by people that have no great intention, or aspirations for the game, community, or server, and that's why I think this quest should change - it makes a scenario that griefs newer players, when that grief should come from a puzzle, or a mechanical challenge.
That's all i have to say on this, feel free to agree or disagree, but as a veteran player of many years this bothers me, and diminishes my experience, let alone the experience of a new player.

Please don't link me to the SOA cc, they're the extortionists i'm talking about, and they're not helpful on fsw.

[vocal parrot]

no friends? 😔

[rose grove]

I figured that would be a response . My point still stands. 👍🏻 for being predicable, probably an easy PK XD @vocal parrot

and yes, my friends are not playing FSW - i eventually got someone to help me in the G.E. but that still took way too long. took about 8 hrs. Main point is to clean up the shitty parts of the game that breed negative community/player engagement when no one can help. i mean, the endless people begging to pay someone 200k or more in the SOA cc should say all that needs to be said. and the same 3-5 people profitting that 200k+ over and over for 1-2 minutes of work isn't any kind of positive thing either - but with a name like "Hustleversity" maybe you think it is.

[vocal parrot]

Ad Hominem my friend. There are always services for this stuff in limited game modes like in DMM and two of the leagues

[rose grove]

A quest that you cannot progress alone that's designed for 2 people to progress where 1 person can just not progresss and exploit is terrible design 🥲

[vocal parrot]

I mean it accounts for the idea that if you’re finished, one of the two can aid the other guy

[rose grove]

Or maybe, get out of the mindset of hustling people and just make it a different requirement 🥲

The quest is flat out designed for the ball to be in the black arm gang members count as well

you can disagree, that's your right, but you can't change my mind about this quest being terrible for the game.

"What money maker do you use?" "Heros quest, Sometimes i make 6 m an hour, I mostly just sleep and afk though, so some people wait 8 hours and waste their membership xD"

[vocal parrot]

It was fun in the past and still has that charm for now. It’s the only one of two quests that requires a teammate. There’s isn’t some kind of monopoly on this it’s just a convenience for a game mode not a lot of people are playing

Services always exist and will outperform this one and most of them are fair

You’ll either have to scout out your own player and hope they can help you or pay a convenience fee for a streamlined process

Fsw is a both a reset and a cash grab from all parties, changing something that isn’t an issue in coming months is like buying a new pair of shoes when your shoelace becomes untied.

[rose grove]

Hey new player that's still in iron: want your soa quest? that'll be 200k.

"uhh... 200k....? I don't even have 2k...." logs out never logs back in

If you see it as a "service" then i see it as a service that should not exist and is there to be negatively exploited, it doesn't matter how you try to justify and frame it lmao, You remind me of a pyramid scammer 🥲 "See but because i frame it this way, it's not a pyramid scam, I'm not scamming you, honestly. Now pay for my service."

Questing should always be more rewarding than staying on the same quest and repeating a step. but it's not in these cases - it's extremely competitive especially with the swap rate, it's probably better than most money makers on 07, and that's not right for those players either.

for a "Service" that's 98 % afk and can afk OTHER things while waiting to "serve" .... smh lmao

I'm for exploiting the in game npcs who don't have emotions.
I'm not for exploiting other players who's time and gp are heavily tied to their enjoyment.

it's a very basic concept but you're taking the angle that the vaccine isn't killing people so I'll stop interacting.

[vocal parrot]

Dawg just find another new player

[rose grove]

bro 🥲 I went to the place you're suppose to go and asked for EIGHT hours.

if you can't see how that's flawed 🥲

then i don't know what to tell you.

[vocal parrot]

Have you tried asking someone just in the world. Like in public

[rose grove]

i used a combonation of that and that's what eventually FINALLY ended up working. - I also tried to buy a candle off someone - and that doesn't work without doing the quest step either, it's just a scam.

my point is someone shouldn't have 8 hours of their progression walled off

because they can't find help

and they shouldn't have to beg while paying for it when the other person should also want that quest progression.

instead the quest should just give each person 100k for completing

and they can't repeat.

[vocal parrot]

no god no

[rose grove]

people would be begging each other to do the quest then.

[vocal parrot]

that’s not how gold works

[rose grove]

🥲

[vocal parrot]

That’s a certified nightmare in the making

[rose grove]

it's only 100k and behind a ton of requirements.

5k then

1k

you shouldn't have to pay 1 party 300 k

and then the other one gets nothing lmaooo

you're such a scammer lmfao

hilarious to see the logic.

people never use to charge each other 200k to do this quest bud

wake up

[vocal parrot]

well in main game this is an oddity. You exist in another environment where people value their time and eligibility for things differently. That sounds a bit frustrating but you have options in either gp or effort. You can even come back at a later date if you want but it doesn’t change the fact that it remains a non issue in main game and self contained in these limited game modes. If money is truly the issue, you can make 200k is like minutes via wildy content early on. If you’re adamant on that then it’s just individuals you have a problem with and maybe because this is your first experience.

[rose grove]

No, it's not my first experience, and especially not my first experience in thinking this is a quest that should be changed.
It's not something that's good for a common players time all for various reasons I've stated and the only reason you try to give is "Money is easy to make." "Don't you have friends?" "It's a service." (It's not, it's a quest that players should want to complete to be rewarded greater than those who are not completing it when it's the reverse.)

Think of the collective grief of every common player that plays the game (Not just me) the amount of collective hours and time that get wasted looking for someone to complete with is something that actively strains a playerbase on early game content where many players are still getting their feet wet in the game - the same spamming of: "pls need help for soa heros quest!!!" - the reward for both players use to be "Quest complete." not "Quest sold 5000 times by the same guy"