game-update

[meager flame]

to me it seems like you could just make new bolts with higher ranged str that just can't be enchanted

ruby bolts are still strong of course but its not like they're trapped in the room with them they can make new bolts that are generally better that just cant have ruby tips or even new crossbows that just dont fire enchanted bolts in the first place etc

for example we don't have a single crossbow that doesn't require ammo in the first place but the idea of a bow with magical arrows is already in the game

[hasty shard]

or just get the minifang from the raid and get fang

[meager flame]

yeah but you're still gonna get your lance eventually anyways

might as well get the hasta when it will help you

[hollow pumice]

even then it's not even worth the waste of time since you have a 1/25 chance or smth per raid to get a better stab weapon than folly

[hasty shard]

and again the raid gives you a stab weapon 😭

[quartz anchor]

Frost dragon extension and increase rarity should just be one unlock for a total of 100 points. Who would extend it but not want it less rare

[meager flame]

I don’t even understand why they made it a low weight regular task to begin with

Screwed the people who didn’t need more tasks added and the people who wanted to get the task at the same time lmao

[chrome lantern]

Optional unlock with a higher weight would've been the best option

(Still is)

Weird to make Aquanites optional but not Frost dragons

[remote ruin]

I hope that when they buff the Aquanite hopper that they make it work with the shcb

[winged raptor]

so why they want to double sailing exp for trawling now? it feels like ive been told at least a thousand times that it has to have dogshit rates so fish arent cheap and now they want to double it?

[gaunt minnow]

Looks like they’re buffing sailing across the board

I thought they didn’t want it to be the best FISHING method

[winged raptor]

ive posted several times on reddit about sailing xp rates for trawling and been told that it has low rates because it has to, it literally gives like 6 or 8xp every couple ticks now

[chrome lantern]

They trivialized sailing to the extent they can make it whatever they want and it doesn't matter

[gaunt minnow]

Bro stop posting on reddit

Those guys know literally 0 about this game

They spend all their day farming Reddit points

[winged raptor]

can i post links here? or do i copy paste goblins response here

[gaunt minnow]

Belles folly is not good for that

In fact it’s really bad for Toa

You should absolutely not farm belles folly for Toa

[winged raptor]

also baiting shoals being bugged for 6months, static routes for trawling so you have useless boat facilities, trawling is such a missed opportunity and will stay in this purgatory forever now

[tiny moth]

i thought you wanted a decent stab weapon for toa, no? and thats what it is right? I havent really looked into it

[chrome lantern]

It's more the fact that it's very out of the way to get, on top of being locked behind slayer tasks and bosses that aren't worth getting, for a weapon that's slightly worse than a zhasta and comparable to the black gem that you get pretty easily now within ToA

[tiny moth]

best i have is z axe, can that work until i get black gem? ive never done toa in main game, just leagues really

[chrome lantern]

You do want a stab weapon, your first few raids just might be a bit more rough

Overall it's not "wrong" to go get a folly or a zhasta or whatever but you can work around it, and if you got a bow of faerdhinen you would just use that for a couple of the rooms instead of stab in the first place

The "issue" is that it is kinda a waste of time in progression

[tiny moth]

word i did finally get that bowfa after 1560 kc lol

[chrome lantern]

Which is fine if you're enjoying it

Yeah it's been a while since I looked at DPS calcs but for Baba you're either using a bofa or zhasta, for kephri you're using the quest reward base keris partisan -> blue or black gem or zhasta, then for akkha, zebak, and wardens you use bofa

Once you get fang you definitely use that on ba-ba, use fang on akkha final phase, and in expert and above raids you use it in Kephri

If you have a bofa you can definitely skip the folly though and just have a few raids where you do low dps on akkha final phase until you get a black gem or fang

[tiny moth]

nice ok thanks

[gaunt minnow]

Bowfa is the same DPS as folly and slightly worse than hasta on baba. Kephri you would use normal keris and akkha zebak and warden you bowfa

[tiny moth]

which room is hardest you think? in leagues i had the hardest time with akkha i think, mainly bc I didnt really learn some of the mechanics fully

[gaunt minnow]

Akkha imo, especially before shadow

[chrome lantern]

Akkha has the most going on for sure of the basic rooms

That's why it was my favorite right away on release

[gaunt minnow]

I remember whenever i was farming Toa and smoking weeed I would always wait until after akkha to smoke because it’s the most mentally taxing and you need quick reactions

Rest of the raid is semi afk

[buoyant mist]

It’s a known bug, something to do with changing the net height at a shoal as it only appears then.

[weary stag]

Speaking of deep sea trawling

Have baited shoals never worked 🫩

[thin river]

Could we have "friendly sailor" like a friendly forester? So we could store dragon sheets/keels ect.

[tender harness]

amongst many things with sailing

yes

[tacit void]

What are all these birds doing here?

[true talon]

Seems like it, meaning catch rate about to go up a lot. they might actually have to nerf spam clicking if this is true esp with the catch going to 3 tick instead of 4.

spam clicking you can get around 650 marlin an hour

[tender harness]

why are we polling medallion of the deep changes though?
if this was supposed to be a proper replacement to the apparatus then let it be one

[weary stag]

The whole "platinum age" thing really was just good marketing wasn't it? XD

[weary stag]

That's whats really fucked, how long have they known about this bug and how it would relate to spam clicking rates

They've been so adamant on making sure the xp is as bad as possible, so it doesn't affect market rates..

[true talon]

baited shoals increased catch rate by 20%

so if you was spam clicking in a baited shoal then you was getting 20% less success rate per click

[weary stag]

I spammed so much :l

[true talon]

same i did 1 hour of it, its to intensive for me lol

[weary stag]

I would've spammed either way but the time I spent making a chum station is the really annoying thing

Making sure Jenkins is on the station

[true talon]

not even close to as bad as the nets, also we dont got dragon nets for some reason 🙁

[weary stag]

The levels they set for these things are so wild considering how close thr sailing release was to the whole rancour problem

There will never be an upgrade to redwood tier cuz they have 3 levels of space lmao

[hard axle]

Just yappers glazing harder than Krispy Kreme

each time I hear someone say golden age or platinum age strictly based on population

[tender harness]

whens the diamond age

[restive storm]

That was a meme then and an insult now

[weary stag]

Platinum prices must be in the bin m8, cya next leagues hahaha

[hard axle]

You’ll get 3 more temp game modes and like it

And now we’re massively increasing fishing xp rates to be more like Leagues

[weary stag]

We're overdue a leechfin blog

How many times can they reword "we weren't 100% transparent about our intentions"

[ashen yarrow]

are you saying the +50-60% boosted catch was nerfed amount

[final frigate]

It was pretty good until the start of this year imo

Titans, yama, varla and doom, sailing in 2025

Run energy changes

2024 too was packed

Varla and colo, araxxor, wgs, scurrius

[winged mantle]

Idk we haven't really gotten anything good since oct last year

[final frigate]

2026 will be fine as long as maggot king and raid hits well

[weary stag]

Titans and and varlap3 was good but yama contracts were impossible on launch, and doom was even worse iirc

Really really good

[final frigate]

But I have small doubts on whether raid 4 will even come out this year let alone be in a good state

[winged mantle]

With the track record it will not be ready

[final frigate]

Yeah the qc is a big issue

[winged mantle]

Overhyping and underdelivering

[weary stag]

There is a lot of that

Remember when they said huey would be an epic battle up a mountain? XD

[winged mantle]

I still believe they put it on the wrong mountain

[weary stag]

Granted that's nearly ancient history now haha

[winged mantle]

Proudspire is right there

[final frigate]

The last ~6 months definitely very rough

[winged mantle]

Dw we got a price increase for all this content

https://tenor.com/view/where-you-at-gif-21177622

[final frigate]

It's like pretty much just the cow boss..

[weary stag]

I'm never getting my quest cape back

I ain't drinking the.. Milk

[final frigate]

Drink it twice to cancel them out

[weary stag]

Ummm run the numbers again Charlie

[restive storm]

But it’ll get launched anyway and be buggy as hell

[winged mantle]

And need 6 or 7 fixes

[restive storm]

💯

I’ll never do that quest until they change it

[weary stag]

It worries me that raids 4 is coming before they fix the problems the shadow gives

Fix raids 3 xD

[winged mantle]

Surely the sweep up

[final frigate]

Surely SURELY

[winged mantle]

Sweep up under the rug edition

[weary stag]

Shore leeeee

I feel some of the sweep ups were kinda meh too, slayer still sucks, sire still sucks

[final frigate]

Maybe they'll fix shadow by making it almost worthless in its own raid

[weary stag]

It sucks less sure

Dw we have the eye now xD

[final frigate]

If they nerf it even the tiniest amount you end up only using it for 1/5 of the raid

Can't wait

[winged mantle]

My friend came back to the game and I genuinely don't know what I could recommend they do. Normally I'm like "oh check out this and that" but outside of yama I couldn't recommend anything

[weary stag]

Doom is good content

Eventually

[winged mantle]

Doom is awful

It's the worst boss mechanics in one

[weary stag]

Plz cook

[restive siren]

doom is pretty peak boss design imo

[ashen yarrow]

yama is also awful if they cannot get hang of the movement

[winged mantle]

Yama duo melee fly is very fun

[final frigate]

I like double boulders but grub phase and rockblock feel ass

[winged mantle]

If they got rid of melee grubs and the 1 shot charges doom would be ok

[restive siren]

grub phase is a bit boring but

idk overall its pretty great

[winged mantle]

Idk after 3901 delves it was as bad as it was at 100

Just didn't feel good at any point

Slow ramp up, 1 shot mechanics and an inconsistent drop rate

[ashen yarrow]

everyone will have different personal opinion on what they like and hate

yama also has oneshot mechanics

[restive siren]

ye ofc its subjective

idk havent done a ton of yama but yama feels so much more boring

[weary stag]

I'm still mad they nerfed meatballs in dmm

[winged mantle]

Meatball fun

[weary stag]

I lost so much to meatballs but it was so damn funny everytime

[restive siren]

first two phases you afk then you have transitions all the time where you afk, p3 is either not very difficult or its completely scripted on rails

[winged mantle]

Getting 1 shot because you thought it was a melee charge when it was the other 1 shot charge 🤣

[restive siren]

thats why you use npc indicators

[winged mantle]

I'm going to say this lightly. If a boss needs a shit tonn of plugins it's not a good boss

[weary stag]

I'm kind of impressed that the sailing blog seems to have them moving towards integrating established plug ins into the native game

[winged mantle]

It should be intuitive off the rip

[weary stag]

I might have read that wrong tho

[restive siren]

i mean he also doesnt have prayers on top of his head in shield phase

you dont need a plugin

but yeah i dont like that plugins are a bit necessary for grubs

they could have just colored them

[winged mantle]

Yeah

[ashen yarrow]

wait how is melee charge different from other charges? other than it throwing rocks when it starts. they all should scale damage the same way based on delve lvl

[winged mantle]

I manually coloured the grubs

[winged mantle]

Sometimes it can be a random melee charge

[restive siren]

what does that mean

[winged mantle]

It does his charge after earth but sometimes it can just do a charge non grub phase

[ashen yarrow]

I guess only difference is that doing melee punish stops the charging with 1 hit while others it will reset charge bar

[restive siren]

well in the end fun is subjective but i dont think ive had as much fun learning doom as i ever had on a boss. and the way it scales with skill is crazy well designed

[winged mantle]

Agree to disagree

Part of what makes leviathan boring is the slow ramp

[ashen yarrow]

but doom has very clear indicator for the charge and when it has melee punish in my opinion

[winged mantle]

I would prefer doom be delve 6+ from thr get go

[restive siren]

ye imo too

[final frigate]

yes agree

[winged mantle]

That's my main issue

[final frigate]

and/or shift the rewards more down so it's 6 7 8 or so for the 3 uniques

[winged mantle]

It's a lot of filler to teach you things but then the fight changes at delve 8

[restive siren]

i mean yeah kinda but i also like that its not turned to eleven all the time and i have a couple of minutes to chill and watch yt. many great bosses share this ramp up in difficulty

[winged mantle]

It just felt like they wanted to boss to take a long time to get drops from

[restive siren]

whats doom ttc

[winged mantle]

Ttc doesn't matter when it's a full cg length

Each run is it's own thing

[final frigate]

given the ability to very quickly reset i wouldn't have minded if it started from 4 or deeper and just leave it to the player to repeat that new first floor to practice as needed

or combine the early floors so it's more like 2 4 6 7 8

[winged mantle]

That would have been great

[restive siren]

dont see how thats relevant, if you say they wanted it to take long to get drops surely it matters if the grind is 50 hours or 200 hours long

cg also has a ttc

dont know that either though

[winged mantle]

Depends on the person

[restive siren]

well ok then we cant compare any boss or

or any skilling method because all depends

[winged mantle]

It's relevant as a person not as skilled will take longer to get drops

• rng

Gz on your 5th cloth no other items

[restive siren]

???

[winged mantle]

An example

[ashen yarrow]

yes, for some player normal brutus could take 1k hours

[winged mantle]

Talking about doom

[restive siren]

ttc is a comparative tool, obviously its on average

i just wanna know in what ballpark doom is

[winged mantle]

I'm not sure

[restive siren]

ik yama is like 100 hours or smth right

[winged mantle]

I wasn't tracking my ttc

I sent till I got my drops

Then a month and a bit I was done and a little burnt

You stop being able to feel time after a certain point

[restive siren]

like at any boss yeah

[winged mantle]

Certain bosses

Like hydra, doom, araxxor

Boring ones

[restive siren]

what are your favourite bosses if i may ask

[ashen yarrow]

if anything doom drops are way too common, 30 hours for to hit rate without needing to do deep delves

[winged mantle]

Vard, vetion, versik as examples

[final frigate]

an opinion too based

[weary stag]

I believe this were a polled reward for a token that would send you to wave 3

[restive siren]

vetion is wild to me but yeah the other two are good. but as someone who did 3.5k vard i can tell you it was boring and mind numbing after 1k kc too

and also starts extremely slow fwiw

[winged mantle]

I had to do 3002kc for sra piece and I still enjoy it

Enrage is v similar to start

Idk when you get hit from vard you know why

[restive siren]

did you do deep delves?

[final frigate]

i remember somewhat yeah and imo token is unnecessary if the early floors are just condensed by default and players choose when to reset just like they do now

[winged mantle]

I did

[restive siren]

yeah but like 8s or 20s

do you not know why you got hit at doom?

[final frigate]

also token concept in general i don't really like

[restive siren]

i feel like the feedback is pretty good

[winged mantle]

Did average delve 14 to claim

[winged mantle]

I knew why but the actual why felt very unfun

[restive siren]

hm

[winged mantle]

People with scobow wouldn't have experienced the afk tbow charge shooting then you realise and die

[tacit wharf]

just like to point out, that most of you chatting are above the avg skill level of this game

[restive siren]

no i realise that the earlier waves are very necessary for the general health of the game

[tacit wharf]

ya not toward any one person, just a remember you guys are way better than the avg good players

[ashen yarrow]

the only part about doom i dont like is the grub shield. similar reason why i dont like hydra fight in general. Both are pretty fast but you just get high damage reduction or total immunity to damage for part of the fight

[winged mantle]

The fun zone with doom is delve 6-10

That's about it

When doom charges it just stalls the fight

Grub phase

Similar to why starting sire/ stunning leviathan feel ass

[ashen yarrow]

with scorching bow the crub shield at least is slightly faster but it feels even more painful in leagues if you dont just tank the 99 damage

[winged mantle]

I so wish doom was a melee boss

Then range for car phase

[weary stag]

Maaan I want more of the old content to have gamba/delve mechanics xd

Imagine if you could go around again before entering wardens in toa

[winged mantle]

I would be ok with more delve like bosses if it was something without floor acid

My favourite colo modifier

[weary stag]

Yeah it could do with a better way to manage it at the very least

[winged mantle]

Rentry lvl 3

[weary stag]

Big piss spots lmao

[winged mantle]

The fact thralls made it worse sucked

And that it could spray to the walls

[weary stag]

Why do they hate venge

[restive siren]

im glad they do

[weary stag]

Yeah sbs sweating sucks

[winged mantle]

I hope the raid gives a new spellbook 👀

[restive siren]

uhhhh

[final frigate]

infinite magic cape first..

[winged mantle]

The forbidden guthix spells

From the archives

[restive siren]

yeah kinda hope it doesnt

[winged mantle]

Would be thematic

Or at least new spell unlocks for current spellbooks

[restive siren]

true but that doesnt mean its a good idea

we have like 750 spells that are never used already

[winged mantle]

Not saying it is

[restive siren]

we dont need 50 new ones and either its shit or its always used like arceuus

couple new spells would be cool mby

[winged mantle]

Yeah like 1 per spellbook max

Or upgrade a spell like double deathcharge did

Finally triple high alch

[restive siren]

greatest thralls

[winged mantle]

Thiccer thralls

[weary stag]

Enchant entire inventory xd

[winged mantle]

Cooking

[weary stag]

Might be too stronk

[winged mantle]

Naaa

[weary stag]

Some people just wanna see the world burn

[winged mantle]

I'm a chaotic neutral type

A little chaos is fine

[tacit wharf]

imagine the outcry cuz someone's spell moved on them

[winged mantle]

Ma spell berk

[scenic ibex]

Some of the spells from livid farm are in osrs currently but those missing spells from that content added to osrs seem pretty kool

[winged mantle]

i have a screenshot of my spell order just in case

Shakes fist at minigame tele

They could have made it a right click option on the home tele

[weary stag]

Instructions unclear, bank buttons swapped again

[scenic ibex]

Home tele could of brought up a little window of teleport options and that could give you a run down of all teles there for newbies and then allowed you to set a right click

[true talon]

what would it even do lol

[lapis sky]

this update is unclear today is port task already buffed xp rates and everything else being polled

[tacit wharf]

well yesterday wasnt wed

[lapis sky]

that answers nothing

[tacit wharf]

also part of the main body of text

[lapis sky]

alright thank you i missed this sentence

[tacit wharf]

but i agree, title is a little misleading

[lapis sky]

it says update but then there are polls and things not being polled it was all so confusing tbh

blogs on polls and update blogs should be separate

[tacit wharf]

yr right, if it dropped on a wed, i would of thought that would of been the title of the update

[restive storm]

“Exciting changes” and sailing in the same sentence is kinda an oxymoron

[lapis sky]

i personally dont like that leagues give a long break from main game updates thta were already discussed ( gem bag update)

[tacit wharf]

i wanna say, i think i remember someone saying this week?

[restive storm]

People been saying this for the last month straight too tbf

[tacit wharf]

they have not

[restive storm]

https://tenor.com/view/oaky-okay-ok-meme-typo-oakley-gif-1135585561201001219

[near widget]

I’m hoping we get main game updates soon

I truly detest how leagues just means that a LOT of dev time goes poof if you don’t play them

If the corporate overlords decided to hire more devs that would work on leagues that’s one thing

But we had wayy too many temporary game modes recently

[remote ruin]

I wish that they let us know in the blog which changes were coming earlier or later

[near widget]

Same

I’m holding off on continuing the trawling j was doing until it is updated

So I’m hoping it’s soon

[restive storm]

Soooo much dev time

[dawn jackal]

they also just don't do main game updates during leagues regardless

it could take 1 person to run leagues i'd doubt we get any updates

[hard axle]

They did once and then they never did again (Nex iirc).

too problematic overall, and that’s why I’m not a fan of temp game modes

Zulrah venom still broken after 4-5 weeks

[dawn jackal]

yea they also don't want to pull anyone away from leagues

but that's what gets under my skin no one knows how much dev time leagues takes

kinda a nothin burger argument for me . for all we know leagues take a single small team and the rest of the group really needs this time to get other projects through the finish line

[hard axle]

Exactly. Even if it only took 1/3 of the devs, them not doing any other updates during that time makes it seem like it’s a lot larger

[dawn jackal]

it could be true that leagues requires all hands on deck and is very intensive it also could be true it takes a small team we just don't know and it's useless to speculate. i bet the devs really value the time without having to push through updates to work on longer reach projects though

[meager flame]

It’s a shit ton of work

I would not say it’s their entire team but

In my experience making games the hardest part about everything is honestly the art team when it comes to like

How fast we can really do anything

You’ll notice leagues have an insane art budget from cosmetics to in game interfaces to marketing material and so on

[true talon]

Feels like it would require a lot of work to get everything functional, including all the restrictions and tasks an stuff.

esp all the combat relics and interactions with bosses lol

[meager flame]

They invest extremely heavily in leagues you can literally just look at it and know with the right perspective

[true talon]

Its worth investing in, a lot of people sub to play leagues

[meager flame]

Beyond that I’m pretty sure the teams working on making it actually all work are actually working on it for quite awhile

I don’t know how many people that is but it’s no small update

When you really look at leagues you see a lot of new mechanical things like your pact system or the relics

The echo bosses and so on

Someone had to make all of that and while some gets reused it’s just a lot of new stuff too

Way more than your typical new game update

[chrome lantern]

The only polled change is the massive buff to underwater thieving/agility isn't it

[ashen yarrow]

Polling a buff to the Medallion of the Deep in Fossil Island's underwater Thieving/Agility activity to reduce oxygen consumption by 80%.

yeah this is only change

in pirate blog it was going to be polled at 75% but seems like they are now increasing it to 80% reduction

[restive sapphire]

we all ready for the nothing to happen tomorrow

[meager flame]

i think we're probably going to very shortly get a blog that has everyone rage typing about everything

[analog crow]

That’s just another Wednesday here

[cedar solar]

has the sailing update been implemented or is it due today in a few hours.

[restive siren]

if i read the blog correctly its coming over the coming weeks and a part of it with the quest later this year

we dont know whats in the update today yet

[still sundial]

I believe last week Sarnie commented that some parts of the last gathering QOL poll would come live this week?

oh, the gem bag possibly and some sailing changes #game-update message

[winged raptor]

i find it funny that it takes them weeks to add gem bag upgrade to the game, its 1 item used on another item

[tacit void]

Its changing an item to also include other items

[winged raptor]

oh my bad then, give them 6 more months to do it then

[tacit void]

Good things are worth waiting for

[winged raptor]

thats a good one, gave me a chuckle

[tacit void]

The poll was out Thursday, April 9th, closed later and now we might get the update. Thats kinda quick

[frozen lion]

inb4 another long ass list of league changes and barely anything for main game

ok im actually in shock

[tacit void]

yay i like some more league changes 😄

[frozen lion]

I thought we were getting more xp from deep sea trawling? Is this no more?

[tacit void]

Very little leagues changes, its mainly sailing so its mainly maingame

[earnest light]

Some changes are coming with the current game update

For sailing*

[tacit void]

this gem bag update is so huge

[earnest light]

Movable facilities, special attack button releasing motes, lots of stuff

Soup from sorting salvage may be nice

[tacit void]

private mole instance is also super nice, thank u jagex

[chrome loom]

what is the update?

is it the sailing one?

[frozen lion]

yes

[chrome loom]

ah okay thats whats getting added in 30 min after system update?

[frozen lion]

wish this was here before i did like 350k sorting already ehhh

[earnest light]

Fr

[restive siren]

#game-news #game-changelog

[timber drift]

bruhh why was w666 removed everyone just used that for team activities since the official worlds were added a week late and also you cant even see without hovering over what they are

https://tenor.com/view/out-of-touch-thursday-lucky-star-out-of-touch-thursday-gif-7357556847977720137

[snow berry]

Seriously. Getting rid of world 666 is fucking stupid in the Yama league

[timber drift]

😂 !!!

there is justice

thank you for the swift fix

[snow berry]

Oh damn

Yaaaaaaay

[near widget]

moveable facilities is sadly a straight downgrade from the plugin

since you could adjust it with plugin anytime, anywhere

[earnest light]

Not on mobile tho

[near widget]

now we'll have people that arrive at the spot and realize their cannons are out of whack or something

fair enough

also - am I reading the blog correctly that, while they added the "not really singles" high level sailing mob spawns, the drop rates for them are NOT yet adjusted?

[near widget]

I'll take the hit on being able to change it anytime if it means mobile people get a benefit here 😛

should still be relatively unaffected as long as you dont change your fish+combat boat around for the other thing too often

[earnest light]

My trawler was aids to have to scroll down to nets the back up to boat speed over and over

[near widget]

oh yeah 100%

[earnest light]

So i'm looking forward to moving the nets up

[near widget]

what was your previous solution? bottling up the cannons in facility bottles so the facility things dont exist to interfere?

[earnest light]

The chum station and repairs "station" were in the way, and i didn't know of any solution

[near widget]

f yeah

[earnest light]

I just auffered until i had enough

[near widget]

😛

I'm still worried looking at the recent overall sailing blog post that they'll skip over current boat paints

[earnest light]

Will be going back soon. Moleskin upgrade to gem pouch, salvage to 91, build final sloop, transfer the cannon and attractor to that one for combat sloop

I'm worried they're going to go forward with changes to drop rates on the metal sheets

[near widget]

I so badly want them to make the hard-to-get-but-tradeable ones permanent unlocks if you clog them, but remain as existing consumables for mains who just want to buy em

[earnest light]

Theyre like 4xing them

[near widget]

i mean I like it, it means I'll actually make all 3 ships

4 ships rather

salvage+fish+combat+speedboat for barricudas

[ashen yarrow]

the gem bag upgrade is so big for ironman, salvaging will be best method to gain bulk gems for slayer bracelets

[near widget]

and also remember, they are planning an eventual warship

that'll likely need 2-4x the current sloop's sheets

[earnest light]

Hmm

[near widget]

imagine having to farm that with current rates l0l

[near widget]

yeah its quite nice, I might afk for pet there a bit if I dont get it while finishing the barricuda paint and angler paint

[earnest light]

It just seems loke a lot at once that could lead to the only 2 viable moneymakers going to the toilet with sailing

[near widget]

nails are unchanged though

those were the big draw at frosties right

im just glad that getting my 4th/5th greater tele focus will be easier now that the krakens are getting buffed

I had 3 in ~3500? xD

(1/512 drop)

though it might just mean more sheets but I'll take those

[ashen yarrow]

at least you can make sheets into 15 nails

[near widget]

another note on this: my 2 salvage paints are just sitting in my bank for nearly half a year now waiting until I can use them for merchant paint one day, rather than being able to repaint my boat any time with them

• the fact that once you EVER apply a merchant paint as ironman, you are basically never able to recustomize it for fun

since its a several hundreds of hours grind to get back

[near widget]

wait you can?? XD

[earnest light]

You can turn sheets into nails

[near widget]

til something new ig

thats actually quite nice

[near widget]

what did you cnsider the other moneymaker besides frosties that wont be as good?

I can see the gp value of frosties going down, but on the other hand, it was such a ridiculously long grind if you wanted several kitted boats as ironman this change is really good imo, and allows them to add the newer ship eventually without me straight up voting no xD

[earnest light]

Marlin

[near widget]

thats not getting nerfed though?

thyre just fixing a bug so that baiting shoals properly works as intended

and the fact that player catch ticks go from 4 to 3 actually might in a way keep prices higher

[earnest light]

Unsure. I guess some people in the collection log community found a way to have like 9 players operate the same net

[near widget]

cloggers will catch rare marlin faster (crewmate is unchanged)

so they will need to catch less actualy marlin

[earnest light]

They're already doing marline afk ridealongs basically

[near widget]

huh? 😮

[earnest light]

One guy drives, 9 guys catch

[near widget]

waaait

how did I not know this XD

[chrome lantern]

Clogging bad

[near widget]

I woulda done this 100% for the trash tier fishes

[earnest light]

I found out about this a few hours ago myself

[near widget]

mhm

I do want to keep the halibuts/marlins and maybe bluefins that I got left sadly

[earnest light]

#old-school message

[near widget]

will give me bossing food for a few years

ty ill have a look

[hollow ingot]

Cannot make the new gem pouch with just the costume needle, need actual thread in inventory for it to work. Is this by design?

[earnest light]

You already got the immaculate moleskin?

[hollow ingot]

Dont need it to make the lower tier ones

[narrow otter]

1 more cheeky demonic pact reset would be a long way 😄

[earnest light]

If it needs actual thread and needle report a game bug

[hollow ingot]

Need linen, thread and silk to make the 1st one, but costume needle doesnt work with it, need actual thread aswell

[shell spade]

also it's BOLT of linen and not just linen

[earnest light]

I'm sure they'll patch it up sometime but whether its hotfix or coldfix who knows

[hollow ingot]

Also, https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/sailing-changes-and-gem-bag-expansion?oldschool=1 says "hemp" whereas you actually need a bolt of canvas and a bolt of cotton

[shell spade]

ye i was trying to combine non bolt fabric with the needle for like 5 minutes lmao

i think creating the gem satchel also consumed 2 threads, not a big deal xd

but still an inaccuracy/bug?

[ashen yarrow]

how do you enter mole instance

[hollow ingot]

Thread has always been like that

[shell spade]

jesus christ

[chrome lantern]

Normally it's 5 actions to 1 thread

[ashen yarrow]

i think the mole instance has not been added to the game

[hollow ingot]

It has

The spade next to the entrance

[ashen yarrow]

goes to public mole

[hollow ingot]

Im in a pvt one now so dunno what to tell you

[ashen yarrow]

oh its next to shield shop

[ancient ember]

thank you for flagging that! updated the blog to say so ❤️

[hollow ingot]

Cant post screenshots but satchel says bolt of canvas and bolt of cotton and tote still says cotton :p

[near widget]

looked at the vid; would definitely be nice for the krill/yellowfin/haddock shoals but I do want to keep the high tier fish for myself

I might do it if I have truly nothing else I can afk

[median jolt]

boat reversing stopped working after update -.-

turning as well

[cinder plume]

wait so we need a bolt of cotton? which is a way higher requirement than 39

[soft delta]

with normal needle and thread it still wants to create the final one

[cinder plume]

you need 73 crafting to make cotton yarn

[hollow ingot]

yeah normal needle and thread work, same with costume needle and thread. But costume needle is supposed to remove the need for thread 🙂

[soft delta]

oh got it, i used needle on gem bag not on the material

[hollow ingot]

Thats an ironman requirement, not main requirement

[cinder plume]

no but why the hell is cotton a requirement when it wasn't mentioned anywhere on the blog

or am i getting mixed up, is cotton the requirement for the 3rd bag

[hollow ingot]

Cotton for 3rd, its wrong on the blogpost atm

[robust ore]

So i have bolt of linen, gem bag, 5x thread, and needle. It won't let me combine. Am I missing something?

[hollow ingot]

So you use the needle on the linen and make the 1st tier, then needle on bolt of canvas with the 1st bag, then needle on bolt of cotton with the 2nd bag

and then you need the satchel, gem bag and immaculate moleskin to combine them

[cinder plume]

this is it

pretty sure it made me use thread to make 1st one

[ancient ember]

that's also ammended 😅 🙏

[hollow ingot]

Yeah you need thread in your inv

[restive siren]

all food isnt brown anymore

lets go

[robust ore]

thanks it was the needle on the bolt I was missing. I appreciate it!

[ancient ember]

we're looking into this right now 🙏

[robust ore]

I created up to the tote. Am I supposed to still have my old gem bag?

[hollow ingot]

yeah until you get the immaculate moleskin and combine tote and gem bag into gem sack

1/50 from mole

[cinder plume]

Gem Pouch, a Bolt of Canvas, a Bolt of Cotton, Thread, Silk*

Still incorrect in the table for satchel

[violet vessel]

id recommend making it so you can use needle on the new bags not just bolts of linen/hemp/cotton, quite confusing

[worthy rock]

Only a regular needle works. The costume needle doesnt work for the satchel.

[hollow ingot]

@worthy rock

[hollow ingot]

It says silk doesn it?

[weary chasm]

how do you craft the gem pouch? it doesn't work for me

[mental inlet]

is it echoing in here

[hollow ingot]

Bolt of linen, thread, needle/costume needle, silk

[near widget]

costume needle works to combine the immaculate moleskin + gem pouch + final new tote/satchel thing

no threadn eeded

[ancient ember]

This is now hotfixed!

[near widget]

nice

[tender harness]

Sailing cape updates when?

[earnest light]

Bro the meats getting lighter made them ugly and appear more raw than the raw versions
Am i alone in liking the old color on the fish

And hunter mets

[obsidian venture]

What do they look like now

[earnest light]

Fugly one sec

Left side is raw meat in hunter and fishing tab
Right side is cooked food

[obsidian venture]

Damn

[earnest light]

I don't know of food that gets lighter when cooked

[near widget]

cooked marlin/haddock look good to me in mine

[near widget]

literally everything xD

except maybe tuna/swordfish

[earnest light]

I guess i'll have to wait for mobile plug ins to release to try to fix those for myself

[ancient ember]

To clarify the confusion about what items to use on what:

I've checked in with the devs - for creating the new gem containers, you will need to use a needle, thread or silk on the bolt of canvas, cotton or linen. You can also use the bolts of canvas, cotton or linen on a needle or thread. I'll raise this as a feedback point though, for the needle to work on the new bags and the silk 🙏

[near widget]

yeah that was just trial and error xD

[quiet wasp]

will the new moleskin be tradable ?

[hollow ingot]

No

Its like the silk from Srachnis

[quiet wasp]

Wondering if one group member can collect them all, now we all must mole

thanks !

[hollow ingot]

Took me 34 kc, not too bad

[full mulch]

Our clans main game home world (536) was changed to a leagues world at the start of leagues, its now been removed as a leagues world as per the update but its gone entirely. Will we be getting the world back at some point? 🙏

[shell fossil]

is it just me or dose it look like someone puked on the cooked halibut after the update?

[ancient ember]

No it's untradeable but you can trade in the excess ones with Wyson for 5 Bird Nest roll 🙂

We're currently looking to deploy a hotfix so that the needle will work on the new bags https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/sailing-changes-and-gem-bag-expansion?oldschool=1

I'll update the newspost with the status changes so please check it out 🙂

[tacit void]

omg thanks ❤️

[earnest light]

Bro the raw fish look more cooked to me than the cooked ones now and the moonlight antelope just doesnt look cooked at all

[shell fossil]

true, raw halibut looks way more eat-able then the cooked xd. same with the antelope, one is just raw and the other is raw but marinated

[earnest light]

I always imagined the halibut as blackened
And the mantelope like a steak
Now mantelope looks like orange goop

[shell fossil]

some of the food turned out good, others where way better before, but we had a plugin to make then look good in the first place, i suppose we still gotta use it to look good after the change xd

[chrome lantern]

Yellow halibut looks awful

[shell fossil]

Hopefully they fix it so we can skip the plugin for it

[tacit void]

i did not have an issue with cooked moonlight antelope before. why did they change it?

my only issue with hunter meat is that the burnt version is all burnt beef

[chrome lantern]

Definitely seems baffling to exclude the repair and navigation tabs from re-ordering

[uneven stratus]

Has there been any word on the mobile API update? Haven't seen it being talked about in a while?

[chrome lantern]

The last time it was talked about it was delayed indefinitely

[still sundial]

yeah this bothers me more than it should lol

[austere mulch]

Ehhh the cooked colors are actually fairly accurate to what you’d probably expect. Overall, halibut might be the closest (raw looks like it’s skin on, cooked looks like skin off)

I think this is just the cost of trying to get some degree of realism in the sprites

Antelope cooked looks like a rare steak and raw looks appropriately raw, but the difference isn’t much lol

[bronze kernel]

Reddit complained at why the cooked food has to be brown and brings up a screenshot of salmon, swordfish and lobster to fuel their cry.

Like 70% of cooked meat is some shade of brown

[tacit void]

I see no issues with it

[tender harness]

who gives a flying fuck if its not a random hex code of brown

fuck reddit

[tacit void]

comes out brown anyway

[bronze kernel]

I cringed so hard at that

[tender harness]

bigger problems than the food shade

like sailing cape being bad

[earnest light]

Not being able to move the "repairs " "facility" down

[bronze kernel]

I think the bigger travesty is how the "Repairs" is not a true assignment

[tender harness]

theres about 10,000 other problems and food shade color just isnt one

[bronze kernel]

You have to manually click to assign each time

[earnest light]

Its literally easier to DIY from inventory

[chrome lantern]

They're "fixing that" with a whole new facility after the next Sailing quest

[tender harness]

that is such

a genuinely lazy fix

[chrome lantern]

It's so bad

[bronze kernel]

I was expecting the crewmate I assigned to repairs would stay on repairs and repair when I click the button

[tender harness]

but I shouldnt have expected more when
IT TOOK THEM 6 MONTHS TO FIX COURIER TASKS

[restive sapphire]

make the problem sell the solution
especially since pirates don't come with red reef

[tender harness]

pirates just arent coming period

they are if the demand is there

[chrome lantern]

They do! They just only last for as long as your quest fight!

[bronze kernel]

They better not touch ABA tasks. I swear.

[earnest light]

They still are after feedback and play tests

[tender harness]

the blog literally said they binned the content until TBD

[bronze kernel]

Ship combat is still awful

[earnest light]

At one point it said A and another point it said B

[tender harness]

nah talking about the two different tasks and not being able to take them because it was the same cargo

that was a bug apparently

that they just didnt fix

[earnest light]

Within the same blogpost too

[bronze kernel]

I thought they fixed that?

[tender harness]

they did

[bronze kernel]

A while ago

[tender harness]

in this blog post

oh

they nuked the blog post

[chrome lantern]

Which

[tender harness]

the one from like two days ago

[chrome lantern]

https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/sailing-update-buffs-changes--more?oldschool=1
?

[normal fractal]

Do i get the sailing boost just by having the keg built or do i have to drink it?

[tender harness]

that goes to the post from today lol

thats not the original content

[chrome lantern]

So it does

[bronze kernel]

You mean from the blue drink? There is a passive bonus for the keg. And a separate boost from drinking it.

[normal fractal]

Ye blue keg

[bronze kernel]

The keg passively gives a +2 invisible sailing boost

As long as it exists on the boat

[tender harness]

@ancient ember sorry for the ping but the blog posts seem to be kinda goofy
the blog redirect just takes you back to the post from today
and the link on the news front page takes you to the blog from today. is there anyway to get the first iteration of the blog back

[true talon]

Who do i talk to enter the private mole instance???

[chrome lantern]

It's a dumber answer than you would expect

[tender harness]

is it the farmer ?

[minor whale]

It's binned

[earnest light]

I was gonna pull it up but can't rn it seems

[chrome lantern]

@true talon

[true talon]

Ahh thanks, i was confused as hell lol

[chrome lantern]

Even better is that it still requires you to bring a spade

[true talon]

Lmao you see me in the screenshhot

[chrome lantern]

Oh is that you

Nice

Just got my moleskin

[true talon]

They coulda said in the blog how to fight it lol

Woulda been nice to have this during the salvaging grind 🙁 but better than never i guess.

[ancient ember]

What do you mean exactly? Both me and my colleage checked and all links seem to work fine 👀

[tender harness]

the link in that first paragraph with the embedded URL clicking that doesnt take you to the first blog with the sailing buffs

[true talon]

Hi Yume can you edit the blog on the gem bag section to mention the spade on fighting the giant mole privately?

[ancient ember]

Will do, thanks for raising it ❤️

[tender harness]

the blog originally on the 11th had like a laundry list of fixes and plans coming in the week(s)
this link just takes you to an updated one?
dont know how to explain it really but this one doesnt show like the bug fixes for courier tasks and things like that

its like the first iteration of the blog that

Earlier this week, we shared a blog with you outlining our plans on various Sailing buffs and changes based on your feedback

is saying click here for is gone

[ashen yarrow]

it is true somehow the content on both the links is same, only title is different. the one that showed all the sailing related future changes got changed to today's update too

[still sundial]

yeah the blog post from today and the one from monday(?) seem to have the same content besides the first picture

[ancient ember]

ohhh now I see, will look into it and fix tysm!!

[true talon]

oh i farmed the skin and i dont even got a gem bag

[south void]

You've got skin in the game, now you just need the bag for it- Great T shirt motto

[cinder steppe]

anyone else having issues with gem sack saying its empty (when I check) despite having gems in it?

[tender harness]

ohh you wanted the gem sack to store items?

[cinder steppe]

would be nice

[chrome lantern]

I emptied mine before upgrading just in case

[cinder steppe]

lol i've just realised its worse than i thought

mining stars gems go straight into bag, but then disappear into the void and the bag is empty when i try to take them out

[halcyon creek]

I tried to do first upgrade, but it tells me i need more items to make the gem sack
(i farmed the moleskin already just trying to go up from gem bag to gem pouch)

[chrome lantern]

Silk + bolt of linen = Tier 1
Silk + bolt of canvas + Tier 1 = Tier 2
Silk + bolt of cotton + Tier 2 = Tier 3
Tier 3 + Gem bag = Gem sack

[true talon]

gotta get all the steps

[earnest vigil]

please revert halibut cooked color

looked diseased

[halcyon creek]

like have all the steaps in my invent?

[chrome lantern]

Also requires costume needle or needle+thread

Nah it's one action at a time

Use needle on the bolt

[halcyon creek]

oh its the use needle on the BOLT

i was using on the sack

ty

[chrome lantern]

Yeah the sack is the final combination

[halcyon creek]

should remove this from post : P.S. For creating the new gem containers, you can use the needle, thread, silk, bolts of canvas or cotton on the previous gem containers.

[true talon]

Woulda been nice to just get the mole skin and use it on the gem bag, needing all the lower tier stuff is just annoying.

i understand why its like that, but its annoying for the end game players

[chrome lantern]

Attempt to try to make Sailing relevant and to let you get access to lower tiers at lower crafting

[true talon]

Hopefully i have some hemp yarn or seeds lol

[earnest light]

Yall think they might consider softening the bank pin beeps
When the rest of the game is at a comfortable audio level inputting the pin is like stabbing me in my ears
(Maybe the hearing damage/sensitivity isnt helping)

[tender harness]

Sailors amulet nerf when to compensate for how bad the cape is?

[tight canyon]

the wind node orb seems bugged.

when starting a trails you click through it.

[earnest light]

What platform

[true talon]

you can probably use sound swapper plugin to adjust this

[earnest light]

Rl, classic/mobile, all?

[true talon]

oh unsure if its on mobile

[earnest light]

Guess i'll have to wait for mobile hub

[chrome lantern]

You'll be waiting years

[true talon]

Maybe you can adjust some of the volume settings like the ambience

[earnest light]

Who needs sound anyway

[chrome lantern]

On that note, we've made the decision to put a pause on our API project. We've been prioritising other major technical work ahead of the API, that have a more immediate impact on the overall player experience, such as finishing things like HD and further mobile improvements.
https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/winter-summit-2026---overview?oldschool=1#HD

[earnest light]

[chrome lantern]

Ah yes a worthless HD client is the number one priority for the "more immediate impact on the overall player experience"

Of course

[earnest light]

Still mad about the facility and meats

I'll sleepon it

[stable wigeon]

no deep sea trawling bug fix on the update?

[true talon]

the one very meaningful thing in the entire blog

[stable wigeon]

yea man fish offcuts not doing anything for months now is crazy !!

[gleaming karma]

Gem bag update is the slowpoke/internet explorer meme of 2026

[plucky fog]

Anyone actually get the new mole drop yet?

[still sundial]

few people posted screenshots getting it in the ironman channel

[stable wigeon]

seen a bunch of the cc

[plucky fog]

Ty both

Wouldn’t put it past jagex to forget to enable it or somethin. Guess I’m just hella dry

[true talon]

took 14 kills

[chrome lantern]

Yeah I got mine in 27

[plucky fog]

At 264 now

[tender harness]

gross im not green logged

[true talon]

manaless with the spoon pet

[tender harness]

the pet was at like 35 kc

on a slayer task

[minor whale]

Imagine going like 1k dry for the skin so you have a filthy normal mole kc

[remote ruin]

not greenlogged anymore either

[tender harness]

id have a dirty log like that but slayer task

my dumb ass did 50 mole kc

[remote ruin]

I did 25 for most of the ca's, did 2 more and got pet, then later did 10 for some bird nests. I went kinda dry on the silk from sarachnis so I bet I go dry here

[steep blade]

Not being able to reorder the Repair option on boats means you can't fit steering, wind motes, and the 2 nets on one screen; still have to scroll while trawling. Unfortunate...

[true talon]

I found this annoying while trawling. personally the whole net dept thing is stupid.

Be better if i could just afk at the fishing spot and then follow the shoal to the next spot.

Having to manage a net depth for no reason is silly

At very least they could make it so if you adjust 1 net depth, it adjusts the 2nd one....

The spam clicking method gets annoying, as it causes you to be off the net as you spam click, so when the nets change it causes you to not be able to change untill you stop clicking.

[steep blade]

Yeah I'd like to see spam clicking go, terrible gameplay. I did also think of consolidating both nets to 1 button as well, that'd be great.

Net depth I don't find so bad and the pattern is pretty easy once you get used to it. At least for the marlin shoal I was doing (not sure if the same for all shoals I've only done this one) they default to mid depth, then rise or lower when it stops at a new spot, then go back to middle when the bar is half empty.

I'm fine with it as that's what makes it an active method, but the interface & spam clicking for efficiency sours the activity.

[austere mulch]

1 button for both nets depth sounds like such an obvious design choice which would also free up some UI space

Curious to if they’ve considered it

Not like you’d ever benefit from both nets being different depths anyhow?

[meager flame]

its a good idea

https://old.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/1p6mcs4/sailing_ui_improvements/

this is basically the minimum with a little cleanup that they should do

theres several good things about it but the big one is just that you could actually fit the important stuff on the screen with minor work

basically would just need to trim his borders

they honestly just had a crazy breakdown with the ui when you get into it

[steep blade]

To be fair, I suppose that's a design space that could be explored. Though if they have no plans for it, 1 button for both nets would be preferred.

[meager flame]

theres a bunch of wtf moments if you stop and look at the jagex version lol

my favorites though are the boat name just soaking screen space

and this

just like

being there lmao

[steep blade]

Yeah, not their best design choice there... Hell if they just swapped that part with the buttons above, you could fit the things I mentioned for trawling on one screen. But probably better to just redesign it to fit everything better.

[fierce otter]

Sooooo when’s the trover update coming into the game??

[restive siren]

At some point in the future

[old shadow]

Not necessarily, but likely

[stable wigeon]

As someone who's been doing deep sea trawling for weeks now (for the clogs) I totally agree with both!! Spam clicking, moving both nets and the boat is crazyyy

I wonder if there's any situation where I'd change the dept of one single net?

The plugin fixed the UI issues to me, I have not tried the update though

[round lintel]

i just wish my crewmate would just fix the depth of his net

[opaque escarp]

Would be nice if Jagex would reconsider the Rosewood log change as it's only a change to post-99 firemaking xp and was in the game for so long that it became the meta. It only affects active rates since you can't even bonfire them for extra xp too.

[ashen yarrow]

I would also like to have barbarian fishing change where it gives +60% xp compared to using default tool

[velvet orchid]

I wish they would jusy scrap the mechanic entirely

[near widget]

bug: unsure if its recent. but if you attempt to use a fletching knife on ironwood/rosewood logs, you get an error that you need a knife to make a blowpipe

was testing if i could use them to make arrow shafts and got this

[tidal gale]

u can only use normal knife on those logs to make arrow shafts

keep clicking itll work

[near widget]

😛

[true talon]

They can only make blowpipes XD

[near widget]

yup sadly

[true talon]

and squid beaks are so rare that they arent even worth farming

It would have been nice to have a rosewood blowpipe for like revs

but farming the beak is way to much

[velvet orchid]

I mean its not that rare its just og fishing

I feel like the issue is your not allowed to pick items lost on death

[true talon]

is it not like 1/1024 or some shit

oh its 1/512

not worth farming when you can just use like sunlight hunter crossbow

[minor whale]

Oh thank GOD

This is probably the most reassuring comment I've seen a JMod make in ages

[true talon]

shame thats a bad decision

Improving nylo and maiden for solo would go a very long way

[minor whale]

I think you missed the part about "get some pals together and get stuck in"

They don't want it to be intentionally soloable, and it's currently possible to solo, nothing needs changing

[true talon]

Or having a way to also bounce the death green ball on verzik

[true talon]

possibly soloable and reasonable are two different things.

[weary stag]

I'm guessing there wasn't any mention of the loot? :p

If we get blood vials from leechfin (lol) then it gets even worse :l

[velvet orchid]

Goblin da 🐐

[minor whale]

Blood vials from ToB are an extremely small portion of the gp from there

Like less than 300k/hr

[true talon]

scythe is all the gp from there

[weary stag]

Really glad to hear they're not looking at changing the mechanics

I think out of normal loot, that and runite ore is the big tickets

Oh I guess maybe some of the seeds

[velvet orchid]

When I was doing tob ( greened after 2k) blood vials were worth a good bit more then rune ore

But iron so idc tbh I just hate the idea od additional sources

[ashen yarrow]

but we dont want ironman to be able to use charged scythes, right

[velvet orchid]

You get enough vials of blood to green log all boses then some

[minor whale]

Ironmen can just go to ToB?
I'm unsure of what you mean

[velvet orchid]

The only issue is if you want to pot a couple hundred k sarachnis after when your clue locked

[minor whale]

Leechfin fishing for vials is dumb, but also not going to make a difference for the prices that much

[velvet orchid]

Which is currently 1 ironman

[minor whale]

It's just iron slop

[tender harness]

Does the proposed cape change make it better than sailors amulet finally?

[minor whale]

No main is going to be doing a fishing method giving up 30% of your XP for 100k/hr

[velvet orchid]

I dont think we should be changing stuff to help 1 iron and that would be also on the assumption its efficient to do over post green log tobs

[minor whale]

It's purely going to be irons who somehow have scythe but can't do ToB

[ashen yarrow]

it will just serve as free teleport to boat tablet

[weary stag]

What's the cape change? Tele to boat (with greater focus)?

[tender harness]

Stupid then

[tender harness]

Yes

Cape needs to be better than sailors amulet

Bar none

[ashen yarrow]

teleport to boat spell on cape is nice, they will never add all sailors amulet teleports to it

[weary stag]

Tbh even if it was the underwater breathing effect it would be a better perk for me

[true talon]

? that sentence contridicts itself..... or maybe its irons with a scythe who dont want to find people to send tob..... because its dogshit and its better to be able to freely go as you please?

[ashen yarrow]

I already knew the boat teleport spells on it would cause backslash since they require teleport focuses to be built

[tender harness]

Really because they power crept two skill capes with a fucking neck

And one was a brand new skill

[minor whale]

Those irons should simply get to doing some ToB

It's a 1/5 for 4500-6000 scy charges

[true talon]

missing the point completely

[minor whale]

Hop to it buddy, you chose the gamemode

More iron sloptent yahoooo

[velvet orchid]

I agree

Its probably more for irons who spooned tob not green logged instead of for jyhy lol

But still a non issue

[true talon]

what? more mains would do tob if it was soloable......

you are creating a barrier to entry for no reason other than you want to

[velvet orchid]

It is soloable as a main

[minor whale]

"Creating" lmao

It's been like that since it has been in the game

You're wanting to remove a barrier to entry because there's a single raid you need friends to do

And that's just not allowed!

[velvet orchid]

Its almost like this game isnt a mmo

[minor whale]

If you want to solo ToB you can do it right now

[bronze kernel]

I have no issue with ToB being primarily group based

[minor whale]

And I'm so glad that Jagex also doesn't want to change it

It's reassuring they haven't totally lost the plot

[true talon]

its not

[tender harness]

Voting no to cape changes because its a lazy fix

[bronze kernel]

You could always multi-account

That's still solo, right?

[velvet orchid]

Like in theory you could make tob scale to 2 man instead of 3 but the issue is that would kill any scale above duo and would definitely piss of duo tobbers

[chrome lantern]

I think it’s weird to add the teleport to boat perk without adding a teleport boat to you perk

[velvet orchid]

Its people favorite content for a reason

[minor whale]

Yeah making it scale to 2 or 1 means that instantly becomes the only scale worth doing

[ashen yarrow]

yes, that is why they did not want to add it in the first place. players just demand more teleport to be added to it

[minor whale]

They'd have to absolutely annihilate mechanics to make it "reasonable" to solo at all

[chrome lantern]

Honestly even if you completely ignore tob it doesn’t really change all that much, it’s the same as ignoring any other piece of content you might not enjoy

[tender harness]

They're just dodging around the fact that sailors amulet is broken, and the perks on the cape are bad
They wont add summon boat to you perk because of "powercreep" or what ever
But they'll give you functionally worse teleports that also annihilate what's in your cargo hold and send you back to pandamonium just worse spots compared to the amulet

[chrome lantern]

Like what’s next, changing every boss in the game that some people dislike?

[bronze kernel]

Not sure why we are focusing so much on the Sailing cape when other capes are even more useless

[tender harness]

New skill cape was made immediately useless by something you get 10 hours into sailing

Ofc that's an issue

[bronze kernel]

Fletching cape being a free grapple? Oh boy!

[ashen yarrow]

because some people want all new content to power creep old content

[chrome lantern]

Yeah I think it’s more than fine to have bad perks, the issue with the Sailing cape is that they put on perks that pretend to be almost useful instead of just going for a subtle passive or something

[tender harness]

People want the 99 to matter more than a here get a sailors amulet and never touch sailing again

[chrome lantern]

Like before the skill formally released I was under the impression that “Teleport Boat (Pandemonium)” on the Max cape was teleporting to my boat and that Pandemonium was just the placeholder destination since the skill wasn’t out yet

[tender harness]

Absolutely stupid that a neck is that broken and takes no effort to get for its usefulness

[chrome lantern]

Yeah Sailor’s amulet is kinda whack

[ashen yarrow]

80% of the skill capes never see light after people reach 99. every new skill cape will just get compared to construction cape benefits, which also loses most of its use if you do not have poh built

[chrome lantern]

They should honestly move the deepfin tele further from bank or at least make it cost more than 20 gp a tele

[tender harness]

Doesn't matter con cape, and by extension crafting and farming mean they can make good perks

They chose not to

They slapped it on a neck instead

Because ???

[chrome lantern]

I don’t think they need to, the current perks just feel offensively bad

[tender harness]

Ye

[ashen yarrow]

ok so change pandemonium tele to be 1 tile away from bank, there fixed

[chrome lantern]

Like they’re worse than the woodcutting cape that does almost nothing

I didn’t even consider buying a Sailing skillcape

[bronze kernel]

It's good for CLoggers still hunting that last Evil Chicken piece

[tender harness]

Fletching cape still has benefits though random kree moments

[brisk hill]

Main game doesn’t have to be updated if there’s folks willing to debate quite literally anything on this game lol

[chrome lantern]

(Granted I also reobtained maxcape with it)

[brisk hill]

Thank god the sailing cape is useful, I can play the game happily now

[ashen yarrow]

if you have max cape sure, if you are bringing fletching cape to kree you already planned to use it instead of bringing grapple from bank

[chrome lantern]

Realistically the Sailing cape just feels bad because they feel like things you should already be able to do or can just already do long before 99

[tender harness]

Jagex just inherently refuses to acknowledge how whack sailors amulet is
Like shadow

[bronze kernel]

Sailing has too much filler on the level up table

I find the fact existing areas having a Sailing requirement kind of offensive and clearly filler for the level up table

Who's getting excited for being able to dock at Witchaven or Priff?

[tender harness]

Sailing cape wouldn't be nearly as much of a gripe if sailors amulet wasnt as busted as it is

[true talon]

Js the cox and toa model is way better, if raids 4 is not soloable it will be basically gate kept trash like tob

[ashen yarrow]

teleport to boat on sailing cape will have nice use for players who interact with the skill after 99 and have built the teleport focus on boats. most people just dont use boats since they only salvage

[bronze kernel]

So just make it make Barrows 3?

[chrome lantern]

One random inconsistency I noticed as well is that it required Fremennik Trials to moor at Waterbirth Island, but you don’t need that quest to take a boat there from Rellekka, and nobody would realistically be there stop you from parking your boat anyway

[true talon]

when you add extra barriers to entry, it reduces the popularity of the content.

[chrome lantern]

You just tele to your portal nexus already though

[tender harness]

No it wont
You'll park boats at 5 random fucking spots and teleport
You still won't sail

Also nexus

[chrome lantern]

It will save me a few seconds on the teleporting to my boat I already do

[ashen yarrow]

like i said players who interact with sailing after 99.

[tender harness]

Thats not interacting with the skill

[bronze kernel]

I feel like the Greater Focus and Gale Catcher were swapped in terms of rarity

[restive sapphire]

mooring at witchaven would be cool
if it wasn't for the fact that i have to moor in 4 islands already for clue steps

[tender harness]

Thats literally teleporting for a clue or slayer to save seconds

[bronze kernel]

Why would the Bottled Storm, an item that clearly looks like it was meant to be made into the upgrade for the Wind Catcher

Not the upgrade to the Wind Catcher?

Feathers also make sense as part of a magical teleport item. Feathers = flying

[ashen yarrow]

sure you can bring teleport tablets or always teleport to house to use portal nexus to get to boats. With same logic con cape is completely useless too since you can teleport to every house location with tablet too

[tender harness]

Mates juat grasping at this point

[ashen yarrow]

con cape teleport is house tele, extra options are redirect house teleports

i know it blows mind to realise

[frozen lion]

Will loot sacks also be tiered? Would be crazy to get dragon hook on literally sub 10 sailing lvl

[hard axle]

can solo as an iron too now, just soulreaper + bf

Powercreep went hard ngl

[gleaming karma]

So much dev time being wasted on sailing. Such a jump the shark moment for this game, sad to watch it fall on slow motion

[old shadow]

It’s a new skill that people aren’t satisfied with, with a mod team interested in having a satisfied player base

Who gives a shit

[frozen lion]

yeah better waste it on leagues 🤡

[gleaming karma]

People who want updates to literally anything else in the game

[gleaming karma]

Don't forget the other temporary game mode they wasted half the year on

[frozen lion]

was never happy with any temp modes

waste of time

[hard axle]

With how many complaints I’m seeing about not having enough boats and GTFs, we’re likely going to get 10 boats eventuallyZ

I’m just hoping we get an actual combat-based boats

Give me 5 fucking cannons facing one side of the boat

https://tenor.com/view/pirate-broadside-gif-9725029159518863243

Pleae

[ashen yarrow]

wish granted, 5 cannons each dealing 10% damage so now your crew is lower total dps than with 2

[hard axle]

shitty genie trope

[carmine junco]

Weird they don't cater to this obvious minority opinion

[frozen lion]

I think that could be cool but as a minigame which allows people to use such boats instead of requiring to build new one and making old ones obsolete

[obsidian venture]

@minor whale glad Goblin said that

[frozen lion]

Possibly multiplayer ship combat which is co-op of several players

That could be actually great minigame

[obsidian venture]

It’s a good barrier

Need more things like that for future content

We will always disagree on this

[hard axle]

“Barrier to entry” - it’s just difficulty 💀

[frozen lion]

I could see like 2 ships in motion next to each other fighting with cannons, putting off fires etc. then phase 2 boarding the ship to kill captain boss

[obsidian venture]

Tob is peak due to min scaling being 3

[old shadow]

I think being required to be skilled and a good team player in content that was designed to be complete in a group in an mmo game is good

[hard axle]

mfers can and will solo nex now and Tass will not do this.

[old shadow]

That’s not a barrier

That’s just how it should be

Raids in game should be difficult and rewarding

[obsidian venture]

Solo nex is hilarious

[hard axle]

Has to be designed in teams first in mind or it ends up too easy and too little mechanics

[obsidian venture]

It got so powercrept

[hard axle]

cox is example of this

[old shadow]

Yeah i don’t like that the next raid can be soloed

[obsidian venture]

Well isn’t it a min of 2 scaling?

[hard axle]

Anytime something is soloable off rip, the mechanics are lacking at

[frozen lion]

making content that REQUIRES several people in game where most players are used to do content alone for 99% of time

[old shadow]

Is good

[frozen lion]

idk, depends

[old shadow]

Not everything should be done solo

It’s lame

Things should be hard

[obsidian venture]

It creates unique approaches to content

[frozen lion]

the biggest challenge is actually getting people to do it, not the content itself

[obsidian venture]

Like toa is made for solo, it’s absolutely shit in teams. There’s very little change

[old shadow]

Sure yeah

It’s relatively difficult to get into tob

[obsidian venture]

Meanwhile cox and tob were built for teams and have engaging solo gameplay

Making team content is simply better because it scales the solo content

Allows for more interesting gameplay as to solving the content, loadouts and exemplifies skill

[frozen lion]

The problem is there is no good system of actually finding people to play group content, people are forced to find people outside game most of times

[old shadow]

A clan

Yes there is

Everything single clan i’ve been in has tobbers

[hard axle]

And if it is soloable, players shouldn’t expect for shit to made easier just for them.

[obsidian venture]

The system is bad sure but there’s so many discords for raids + clans it’s almost impossible not to find a group

[old shadow]

I have never been in a clan without tobbers

[hard axle]

I hated this about ToA

[old shadow]

If people are in a clan and they don’t participate in clan tobs

That’s because they don’t want to

[frozen lion]

Because you never even found joining them interesting most probably

[old shadow]

Not because they can’t find people

[obsidian venture]

The thing that many players don’t do because they’re lazy is to simple make a team with learners and send

[old shadow]

What

No

I join random social clans for gp from those drop parties shit is a solid money maker

Even random social clans have tobbers

[obsidian venture]

Every clan does

[frozen lion]

Then why my doesn't?

[old shadow]

If it has like

17 people

[obsidian venture]

That’s truly special

[old shadow]

Sure maybe it won’t

[obsidian venture]

What kind of clan is it

[old shadow]

But if it has at least 100 people i am MORE than certain that they have tobbed at least on one instance

[frozen lion]

I think you guys are overestimating how many clans have active raiders focused on raiding with the clan

[old shadow]

I don’t think so

[frozen lion]

There should be easier way to find people outside clan within game

[hard axle]

I feel like the “matchmaking system” argument is so cope.

I know folks who refuse to use Discord and it comes off as cope because even if they added in-game matchmaking, which they technically could do with dedicated FC, those same people would cry about how it’s not robust or efficient enough, or how they’re blacklisted or people don’t wanna go with them

[obsidian venture]

I reach out to a couple dozen clans for each clan vs clan event

[hard axle]

We have W306 for BA and folks still complain about matchmaking

[old shadow]

I could get into tobs as a 1 def with very little effort just by being part of a clan

[obsidian venture]

And all of them had raiders for each raid

It might not be efficient

But people send

You can simply host a group and send with learners and be that change

[hard axle]

If you are motivated to do group content, you would figure it out imo.

[frozen lion]

As person who did all roles lvl 5, all purchasable clogs and 5000 points stacked in every role, I can tell you, yes there should be better way than just spamming on chat and waiting for an invite

[obsidian venture]

Yeah it’s just laziness and poor social interaction ngl

[hard axle]

I learned this when I was a teen and did recruitment for raids teams because no one else wanted to

[obsidian venture]

When I was learning tob, I just sat at the board and got other folks

[old shadow]

My only issue with getting into tobs that my rsn makes people think i’m a woman and i make too much gp off that shit to start tobbing in voice

[obsidian venture]

Wiped a lot but also learnt a lot and had fun

[frozen lion]

Anti matchmaking is even more of an cope

[hard axle]

Shame you have 40 year olds unable to figure this out

[obsidian venture]

Yeah

[frozen lion]

Imagine pest control without auto game start

[obsidian venture]

People are just cooked

[true talon]

Wrong. you can make raids accessible to be solo and difficult.......... why do you always swing to 1 side??

[minor whale]

Ye raids 4 minimum scaling is 2
I hope that means there's no the stupid ToA mechanics of making shit easy as fuck in a solo by removing mechanics outright

[ashen yarrow]

Raid should always have incentive to do it in a team, personally i would still like the possibility to solo even if it is a lot worse for loot/h

[hard axle]

Yes, that’s fine, but I’m saying it’s not the reason why you aren’t able to get X.

Better in-game matchmaking system is just about efficiency and convenience, not requirement

[frozen lion]

And it's wrong to want better in game system than it currently is?

[true talon]

I suspect the mechanics will be the same solo or duo, the difference will be health/time

[obsidian venture]

They haven’t done that yet

[true talon]

Probably something like YAMA

[hard axle]

No, you can’t because you can’t have 18 mechanics in a solo that you can only handle 4 of due to inherent time constraints

[obsidian venture]

Yama is billybob content

[old shadow]

Idk why you guys would want an in-game team finding system for tob do you know how toxic that shit would get

[obsidian venture]

Not a good example tbf

[frozen lion]

For entry/normal mode? why not?

[old shadow]

Imagine 24 unemployed losers arguing about fucking up nylo