game-update

[chrome lantern]

Anyone that was actually doing it long term will still do it

[tough nacelle]

What rewards are even left

[winter hearth]

all of them, just win a game

[chrome lantern]

…All of them

[minor whale]

I don't think he read the updated blog

[tough nacelle]

They’re removing most of the items from the shop?

[minor whale]

No they're not

[tough nacelle]

Oh

[minor whale]

They're not removing any of them

[tough nacelle]

I misread

[winter hearth]

Check out the post update from today!

[tough nacelle]

New dad brain

[minor whale]

They're now locked behind a win

Hehe

[tough nacelle]

That’s reasonable then

[minor whale]

The tradeables at least

[winter hearth]

Oh congrats!

[minor whale]

But stuff like rune pouch isn't

So new irons don't need a win for being able to get useful untradeables

[tough nacelle]

Thanks it’s been a lot haha, never had such little sleep in my life

[chrome lantern]

I do appreciate that the blog was actually reformatted to hide the original proposal - past blogs (especially with Delve rewards) got extremely confusing to navigate because earlier info didn’t get updated or tagged as outdated

[winter hearth]

never met an issue a little <details><summary> couldn't fix

[solid moss]

i didnt get to read it but does that mean rune arrows also cannot be gotten as an iron without winning? or just the big tradeable items

[winter hearth]

Correct yeah

[solid moss]

alright gotchu

[winter hearth]

A lot more options for early GP these days to the point that LMS rune arrows have fallen out of favour a lot early-on, and if you want to stock up down the line then you can strap in for a win or just use excess GP at Ranging Guild etc., we don't think it's likely to be too disruptive

[solid moss]

that definitely makes sense. its definitely skippable now adays

[solid moss]

thanks for that update and the explanation

[obsidian venture]

Would surge sacks be tradeable if it moved to lms?

[winter hearth]

they probably should be anyway, though I think a better design angle for blighted stuff in general would be for it to be extremely plentiful from any PvP/Wilderness activity/minigame and just have them exist as untradeable

[harsh pasture]

@winter hearth any reason mole will have a fee for priv, but sarachnis didn’t? Also, will it be similar to sarachnis in that multiple people can be in the private instance together? This would help pet hunters utilizing multiple accounts.

[winter hearth]

Sarachnis has a 25k fee doesn't it?

[harsh pasture]

Didn’t see it asking. Ill have to double check. Due apologize if it ends up having it lol

[winter hearth]

I knew I wasn't crazy

[harsh pasture]

My bad 😬. Will the instance be the same as sarachnis?

[meager flame]

Why didn’t you guys just remove the parchment entirely and have people just pay perdu with their item in hand?

To lock it the first time

[steep blade]

Allow Infernal Tools' 'burn' effect on the Infernal Pickaxe, Infernal Harpoon and Infernal Axe to be toggled off freely.

Little sad we didn't see this option for crystal tools as well. It's silly upon either upgrade path you then require another dragon tool for 'normal' use to avoid eating charges you don't want to use. Good we may at least get this for one of the two still.

[analog crow]

Won't botters just turn on the terminator script for 1 game and then continue the low effort point farming as before with this change?

[tacit wharf]

you assume they are the same people

[analog crow]

I assume it's not hard to install a script in whatever program they are using yeah

[tacit wharf]

yes but it is a different script, meaning they'd have to go and buy it

[analog crow]

and why wouldn't they? I don't see this update decreasing the incentive to bot lms at all

[tacit wharf]

so then you'd need 2 scripts for 1 account, with the latter being (i assume) much more expensive than the cheap one they're using

[analog crow]

I have no idea what those scripts cost but I assume it's not per account

Ok so at least the anti cheat team has some plan

[tacit wharf]

ya i see this as a very easy stop gap for those low effort bots that infest lms

[analog crow]

Fingers crossed

[scenic ibex]

Ty mods

[plucky canyon]

Yes lol

[plucky canyon]

Scripts are client based not account based

[strange idol]

could you guys consider an alternate source for the crystal chally if you remove the weapon seed from LMS? that's currently one of the only reliable methods for getting that item for UIMs to do CAs and tob

even just like an NPC that trades crystal shards for one in priff or something

[gleaming karma]

CG.

[velvet orchid]

You can just buy it with no seed lol

750k gp if no seed is cost

[velvet orchid]

Hopefully its not 1 tick slower then the non instanced version like sarachnis lol

[velvet orchid]

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Islwyn

[strange idol]

I said reliable method, not rng. CG will be the only way to get the seed after this.

[velvet orchid]

Just buy it with gp bro

Linked the npc above

[strange idol]

that's where you turn the seed in to an item bro

[velvet orchid]

No its not

Theres 2 npcs

1 is gp only 1 is seed plus less gp

[placid shuttle]

Anyone1 else having ping issues since new brazil worlds went live?

jumping all over the place

[plucky canyon]

That’s not what those npcs do https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Crystal_weapon_seed

Lms is the only way to buy them outright

[velvet orchid]

There is 1 npc that charges seeds and 1 that sells the item if you want the seed to say farm it for shards you can then revert the hally to seed and trade it in for an acorn.

I linked the one that sells with no seed

Iifeen charges seeds and turns into weapons going down in price over time. Islwyn who i linked has a flat rate requires no seed

[harsh pasture]

Thought they fixed that

[velvet orchid]

They did but its still 1 tick slower

[timid trail]

Is there updating game??

[tacit wharf]

tue is maintenance , and typically barring some big update the the week after, updates happen on wednesday

[true talon]

can just go farm one from slayer cave, they even drop off task.

[blissful topaz]

Can f2p lms get enabled and only reward the black lms capes added back in?

[gaunt minnow]

yeah that'll be popular

cloggers v cloggers 😂

[final frigate]

Get a name colour bro it's trippy seeing white

You're supposed to be purple

[plucky canyon]

Or they’ll just get a rcb and never make a msbi

But for that item just go slay cave

[ashen yarrow]

hunter's sunlight crossbow would the way but people dont like hunter

[plucky canyon]

Or atlatl even

Does msbi even have a modern use outside barb assault lol

[ashen yarrow]

its decent training and slayer weapon but they also need rune arrows

[plucky canyon]

Don’t get those in bulk until you no longer need them

[ashen yarrow]

yeah lms was the way to get rune arrows too

castle wars does work for slower rune arrows but that is another afk pvp minigame

[plucky canyon]

Better to shop buy addy at that point

Msbi is just gonna be dead content though

Bone cbow into rcb or atlatl

[ashen yarrow]

sunlight antler bolts with hunters' sunlight crossbow was already better than msb (i) with rune arrows but did need 74 flecthing and 72 hunter

[scarlet nexus]

With respect to the Brazilian game worlds being live in AWS - exciting! Does this mean a potential future shift to AWS for all game worlds from the existing datacenters?

[nocturne solstice]

The implication certainly seems to be all future worlds will be AWS. I havent seem mention of migrating exist worlds to AWS though.

[round lintel]

they added Brazilian servers but for me it has higher ping than UK worlds xd

and def Brazil is closer to me than UK is

[prime shore]

I think the ping will depend on where the player lives. It showed 200+ for me.

[hard axle]

Ping is largely irrelevant until the 400s - it’s the stability that comes from local servers

[round lintel]

idk I get 350 in aussy worlds and I cant flick a manticore xD

3096 ping in salvaging world

xD

[nocturne solstice]

Seems like you should be more than fine in US East worlds

[round lintel]

thats where I normally play

Do you guys think we'll get bankers note this league?

I think my relic choice now will depend on us getting or not bankers note

[minor whale]

They've said no Banker's note

[round lintel]

did they?

didnt see anything about it

[minor whale]

Yeah sometimes this morning I believe

[round lintel]

sad news for runecrafting xd

[meager flame]

tbf as someone that played on uk worlds forever despite being from na even 100 ping isn't that great

the game visibly lags like that and jagex servers are not 100% stable thats just the average

you'll be losing a tick here or there for seemingly no reason on any jagex server thats showing you a ping over 100

tbh it happens on any ping but lol

we're definitely not blessed with solid gaming connections on this game

like this while i've been afk rcing

those aren't happening constantly

but if this wasn't a 40 ping world for me

you'd just be losing random ticks

[nocturne solstice]

As someone that's had to play on US worlds since that's where the majority of the playerbase are, I've had to do raids with 200+ ping, 170 if things are going well.

It's manageable, you get used to the timings and eventually stuff like red-x baba, butterfly akkha, running webs at verzik, and running head at olm are doable.

There's absolutely instability and you definitely lose ticks no doubt about it. I wouldn't want to do inferno with this kind of lag that's for sure but I just take hits when they happen and 9 times out of 10 any deaths I get is from my own mistakes not from lag and missing ticks.

[languid ravine]

i seen oda get some really bad lags but unsure if its the game or his side

[meager flame]

i mean you wouldn't get used to those timings

[languid ravine]

straight up just dies to lag in a pvp fight lol

[meager flame]

you'd get used to having game ticks occur with you being able to do nothing about it

you might accept it

[languid ravine]

cos it doesnt let him eat or attack or whatever

[meager flame]

but theres no playing around it lol

[nocturne solstice]

Well your image is like, lag spikes not stable ping.

[meager flame]

yeah but if a ping takes 800+ ms

and server ticks are 600 ms

what do you think happens on your end

you just miss a game tick

[nocturne solstice]

Yeah and that's why I said "There's absolutely instability and you definitely lose ticks no doubt"

[languid ravine]

multi trillion dollar company using potato servers smh

[meager flame]

i mean they have some leeway where a tick might just look really fast on your end if it doesn't actually take 1200ms

like round trip

[nocturne solstice]

tbh i feel like even youtube these days got them potato servers smh

[meager flame]

but yeah when you combine osrs servers and their usual delay then you start adding in extra latency on servers you probably shouldn't be on and a normal persons reaction time

you can start creating situations where its like they see a 200ms long tick but didnt quite react to it in time

[nocturne solstice]

Well yeah but that's why I said you get used to the timing

[meager flame]

its unfortunate lol

[nocturne solstice]

as long as its stable, you can get used to it, prediction helps a lot in that

[meager flame]

thats kinda the problem though because its usually not actually stable

like if each delay was actually 100ms you'd get used to that easy

but jagex servers give you a situation where its usually 100 but sometimes its like 4x that

or more

so you're just kinda hoping it doesn't happen at the wrong time

[nocturne solstice]

I can only speak from personal experience but they're stable enough, usually just 1 spike every maybe 4 raids? and maybe 1 in 10 the servers have been so bad we just called it a night.

[meager flame]

it kinda varies but im not sure on what exactly

like

server performance in osrs is somehow seasonal lol

like in the ramp up to new content for some reason latency starts climbing and then sometimes they announce they've done something new and its great for awhile

[nocturne solstice]

Eh too many factors tbh, Jagex servers is the obvious scapegoat but your own ISP, your own modem, your own connection (wifi or ethernet), your own situation (sibling downloading in the other room) can all affect your ping.

It's a very difficult problem to solve especially with so many variables and users not being tech savvy enough to trouble shoot

[meager flame]

like right now a league is about to drop and as usual

instead of my ping to use east being ~20

its 35-40

no gameplay difference but you can see it coming

i wonder if they put up like additional ddos protection or something around big launches

[languid ravine]

some old game i played had introduced lag spikes by some bad servers ever since like 2018 and been unplayably laggy since 😭

i noticed it straight away but ppl kept gas lighting saying its not the servers lmao

[meager flame]

i used to think it was just more people playing ruining servers

[languid ravine]

took some nerds to post a bunch of data on the forums to prove its shody servers

[meager flame]

since that also lines up with big content releases

and also back then you could tell if it was 3am or 3pm just based on how bad the server was

but now its different

[languid ravine]

scuffed ddos protection sounds familiar as a cause

[round lintel]

Mt friend has 4 Monkey tails-5 springs-2 limbs-2 heavy frames and 1 light frame

No Zenytes

close to 1500 kc

xd

guy needs to check if Jagex disabled Zenytes for him hahaha

[south void]

I'm at 3 tails, 2 springs, 3 limbs, 1 heavy, 1 light in 356kc and 0 zenytes. I know that's insane rng for me, but I'd still love a zenyte 🤣

[round lintel]

would you play in a leagues where they add stuff that never passed a poll, like wrathmah or whatever the name, or maybe shamanism? xd

[nocturne solstice]

Sounds unfun

[sacred skiff]

Surely in a halberd-forward league like this one, chally doesn’t require two regions right? Please?🙏

[ashen yarrow]

sadly it will unless they make special exception that we have not been told yet

[analog crow]

Yeah
It’s a league, let them cook

[quiet plank]

Yeah that'd be pretty cool. We'd get to test them out, and if people like them they can repoll them after the league. For wrathmaw they'd have to get rid of the thing where its only around at certain times

[whole mauve]

Thanks so much jagex for the brazilian server ❤️

[river cove]

Thanks for mobile switch between characters this is cool 🙂

[tropic kelp]

i will take shamanism over sailing any day of the week

shame it didnt pass

[ember token]

im glad we didnt get shamanism and i hope we never do

[mighty temple]

I voted for shamanism but I'm not mad we got sailing it was my second choice over taming

Taming I couldnt see going over well lmao

[signal hawk]

Since we're talking about failed skills, Warding felt like a rc expansion. I would love to see it repolled in that capacity.

[restive storm]

failed skills.... my specialty

[signal hawk]

How's life @restive storm been a hot minute

[restive storm]

pretty good, been playing a lotta classic wow cuz nothing to do on rs

but hoping some kinda update happens soon hbu

[signal hawk]

Doing alright, kinda aimless in osrs. Spending some time going after big fish from trawling. Might put some effort into getting champ cape, only one scroll left (skele). Clannies keep telling me to max but Im in no rush

[obsidian venture]

I’m ngl I wanted warding

From what I remember, it was way more fleshed out than sailing

[restive storm]

nice nice, yeah im in the same boat. theres nothing really left to do anymore, at one point i was afking abby demons for the head for when parch update comes... but kinda even dont wanna bother doin that anymore

[obsidian venture]

Kind of tied rc in an interesting way

[restive storm]

maxing grinds i did enjoy tho

[signal hawk]

My biggest issue with warding was the whole side that'd aggravate efficiencyscapers. I just wanted more mage armors sorta like swamp and bloodbark

[obsidian venture]

I’m just hunting tempoross atm

[restive storm]

think this past dmm is the first time ive ever done tempoross... idk if i can do it maingame after blitzing thru it on there lol

not to mention dont rly like the pet anyway

[obsidian venture]

Also I’m not opposed to a new skill if it comes to it, but I’d like them to approach it differently. I’d also want stuff fully fleshed out and tested before release

Maybe with their announcement of asking for new nda testers, this could happen

[restive storm]

i mean sailings got like 4-5 more years ahead of it til it kinda works as other skills do, so id really hope they dont try to rush into another one lol

[obsidian venture]

Sailing would have been so much better if it didn’t take so long to fix some basic issues since release

One thing I will say is that sailing launch was still hype and a lot of folks found it fun

Once you pretty much got high levels, folks looked at ass grinds and a bad combat system which wasn’t ideal

[restive storm]

ehh i really dont got a lot good to say about its release, at least they added double spots everywhere to just afk 99 out and be done with it

that was about my only positive, cuz initially they were resisting that change too

[mighty temple]

I like salvaging even post 99 because I dont think theres a more afk way to bank stuff like good herbs, cannonballs, and repair kits to eventually take to ship combat grinds or even just for okay money

[restive storm]

i just liked that i could sit in one spot forever and not have to drive the stupid boat around lol

[mighty temple]

I dont mind driving the boat, just port tasks weren't lucrative enough to be worth it. Deep Sea trawling though has settled to be an okay moneymaker and the food is great too

Got a 2k stack of bluefins I'm chewing through at bosses and slayer, helps save a dose here and there over anglers or mantas which I'm happy about

[restive storm]

driving the boat doing port tasks isnt the worst, I still dont really like it, but driving from salvage wreck to salvage wreck was unacceptable which is where they started it. They refused to make that change in like alpha/beta. And then when everyyybody started whining they finally addressed it

[mighty temple]

Lmao its nothing I'm not used to with years of wow dev cycles, as I'm sure you're aware of as well

Sucks but its kind of a fact of life

[restive storm]

yea i stopped playin retail ages ago, i just play the classics now

faster paced, get less bored

[jagged marsh]

Gold clog staff or too zzz

[vestal current]

For leagues 6, does the King's Barrage ice hit count as a magic attack as far as the demonic pacts are concerned? I want to run crossbows and want to know if there is utility in getting the magic pacts that allows water/ice spells to heal me.

[analog crow]

Kinda feel like Kandarin and Tirannwn should be one region. Both seem kinda lackluster on their own.

[meager flame]

kandarin is about to be in just about everyone's route lol

[analog crow]

How so?

Is Thermy having a resurgence or smth?

[ashen yarrow]

both shots scale with crossbow damage pacts, 2nd bolt turns damage to ice barrage and can heal from water (ice) spell. No confirmation if it is 1 max damage that is split into 50/50 for bolts or if it is 2 separate max hits (doubling dmg)

Kandarin and tirannwn both became op mage regions with echo item release.

[ashen yarrow]

thermy has doubled down with having 2 elemental weakness echo items. Same devils element as before and additional buffed version of twinflame staff that can cast surge spells which will always use enemy weakness regardless what spell you cast

[analog crow]

ooh nice

[meager flame]

It also has jewelry for various things that you can’t get otherwise and synergy with some relics etc

[restive storm]

clogging def not for me, dont see the reason why id bother lol

[analog crow]

Okay looking it up the nuclear ballista seems pretty hype

[round lintel]

Sailing would be nice if it wasnt a big money sink skill, and they want you to have different boats for different activities adding more and more facilities

Like this new pirate stuff not giving much xp, bounty tasks are boring af system.

[ember token]

i think even with the changes and the addition of new combat facilities, i dont see a need for more than 2 boats (1 skiff and 1 sloop)

you really dont need a trawling sloop and a combat sloop and a salvaging sloop

you can fit combat stuff and trawling or salvaging stuff on the same boat

[round lintel]

Barracudas boat, Salvaging boat + combat and/or trawling boatg + combat, now a different boat for pirates because your overcrowd boat

And then god knows what else they will keep adding

[ember token]

you could even have a salvaging sloop at minimal extra cost because most of the upgrades are not necessary when youre just sitting in one place

you absolutely dont need to have an extra boat to fight pirates just to have more space for the pirates to move around on if they board your ship lol

[tacit wharf]

3 boats completely fine

u have yr skiff
you have yr sloop u use while leveling and improving as you go and use for salvaging (nothing dangerous so u can keep at camphor)
and then you have yr rosewood sloop you make later on, u use for combat and trawling

[meager flame]

i honestly think jagex trying to push the idea of multiple boats for different stuff is pretty toxic

like they have gotten damn near infinite feedback that stuff like sheets/nails is absurd and their reaction is basically 🗿

lmao so the idea of branching out to needing even more boats is wild

theres gonna have to be some movement from them as far as sheets/nails being more common in the future if they actually expect more than one boat that actually gets upgraded

[mighty temple]

they dont want you to know this but facility bottles can be used to bottle your facilities on one boat and put it on another boat

[meager flame]

that is something you can do

but tbh

i think the stuff should've just been reasonable to farm out to begin with

like if you took the final result of both directions i'd rather be living in the world where we could reasonably create a few good ships

than be in the one where we go collect bottles and then rotate through facility layouts

mostly just because option 1 there is functionally superior once you get around to us maybe teleporting to our boats

and leaving them in different places near where we'd use them

[mighty temple]

i mean by that same token couldn't you also just have 1 max boat and then have as many rafts with greater teleport focuses at spots where you wanna moor from and then summon your max boat to the sacrificial raft

[meager flame]

yeah you could but then you loop back into the problem of basically drop rates being crazy

obviously its not as crazy as making a full boat rn but still

just collecting a few of those bottled storms is already wild

[mighty temple]

still better than collecting enough for an upward of 5 total currently max boats

or who knows you can go so horrifically dry on bottled storms compared to dragon metal sheets and you get more than one max boat anyway

[tacit wharf]

except u dont needs BIS boats for all 3 activies

[mighty temple]

also that lmao

i have a rune boat and i'm doing okay for myself

combat's fine, trawling is fine, salvaging was fine

[tacit wharf]

i have a rosewood skiff, a camphor salvaging boat and a rosewood trawling/combat boat

the camphor boat is the one i used while leveling

[meager flame]

im like

i guess you'd call it about halfway to having a max trawling/combat boat

[tacit wharf]

and even then, it was only like 6k frost dragons to make all that

[meager flame]

and tbh the nails and sheets are just brutal

[tacit wharf]

which is more than reasonable

[mighty temple]

ive been particularly unlucky in that i havent seen a frost dragon task yet

all my dragon nails i've ever got was from opulent salvage and it was only enough for 2 rosewood cargo holds lmfao

[meager flame]

ya i turael skip for wyrms and frost dragons when i feel like working on it atm

it would probably be faster to just go blast frost dragons 16 hours a day but

thats pretty boring

[mighty temple]

i'm trying to get to 93 slayer anyway so i'm taking most tasks regardless

[tacit wharf]

i mean, its not like it req's yr full attention to do

[meager flame]

im about to hit the point where i really should just do frost dragons

[round lintel]

400-500 ish on task

[meager flame]

i was making up excuses before like lets get a gryphon task to get the CAs and now aquanites incase they buff that thing

but once i get that drop i wont have any excuses left lol

[mighty temple]

yeah i've been taking gryphon tasks too i want the pet lmfao

[meager flame]

i feel like if they were paying attention they'll buff the hopper eventually but im not entirely sure they wont just leave it for dead

[mighty temple]

did they say what the next summer sweep was mainly gonna be about?

[meager flame]

they actually said we're going to decide

so thats going to be a hilarious week

[mighty temple]

lmao can't wait

[meager flame]

i assume we're gonna get a blog and a survey probably in game with a bunch of different topics

and then they'll pick the most popular ones i guess

[tacit wharf]

i think they have things in mind

[mighty temple]

then pray gear progression is on that list lmao

[meager flame]

yeah they're gonna present a bunch of options and let us decide which are the most important i just feel like

its probably unwise to do it this way

because they're going to offer a bunch of stuff and i bet theres a good chance that they're all worth working on

so people are just going to get pissed about the ones that dont make it

like for example

imagine they put up a bunch of stuff to fix about the wilderness

lmao

[mighty temple]

i mean idk what to fix about the wilderness that whole place is hokey

[meager flame]

probably the most in need of repair content in the game and its gonna have like a 1% rate of acceptance towards fixing it

[tacit wharf]

the best approach is the one where its less complicated

making these dumb rules that go against the wider games rules, is horrid

[meager flame]

i mean that is something i would immediately fix about the wild

[tacit wharf]

other than that, they dont really have to do anything to it

[meager flame]

any client features or settings or whatever that are allowed elsewhere

should be allowed in pvp too

if they're really so broken that they cant be allowed

they should be removed from everything

but generally i think everyone knows its a big meme at this point

thats why in dmm everything works like normal for the most part

[mighty temple]

tbh the one thing i'd want is just taking all the wildy steps from clue scrolls and pushing them somewhere else

[meager flame]

i mean thats another thing they need to just let people free from the wild if they actually hate it

[mighty temple]

i love having to bank everything to kill one zamorak mage, regear to kill an armadylean guard, and then bank everything to kill another zamorakian mage

idk maybe having a whole wilderness clue scroll so you get people to do clues solely in the wilderness so there's more opportunity to pk would be enough to interest people

then i can go do all my other clues in peace

[tacit wharf]

i disagree

u dont have to regear, just gear smartly to begin with

no reason yr running around in torva and claws to kill a zammy mage

[mighty temple]

i take my clue, the eastfloor spade, a dds, and my barrows gloves i guess to go kill the zammy mage

if i get killed i lose nothing and give not even a spade

[tacit wharf]

i bank 3 capes, my ecto, and rune pouch and grab out my wildy sword

thats all that changes

[mighty temple]

like worst case if someone does try to kill me i might jumpscare them with the dds it could be funny

[analog crow]

I open all 5 of my clues and do the wildy steps in bulk

fewer trips to the bank

[mighty temple]

hold on wait he might be cooking

[languid ravine]

if they made wildy only clues the exact same ppl would complain its unfair they have to go into the wildy to do them

possibly the most pointless suggestion ive seen

[true talon]

Update on my buddies heart grind

[bronze kernel]

They don't have to reward any uniques. Maybe just raw bonus GP or supplies for PvP. Maybe think of it as like the Wildly Slayer/Rev Cave style drop table.

[languid ravine]

so dead content

[solid whale]

I can’t switch accounts on mobile someone help

[round lintel]

Did I get stupidly lucky?

I got 4 out 4 processed squids

[ashen yarrow]

that is a mechanic with the facility, it processes 4 in 1 action but only rolls for squidbeak once

[round lintel]

Ah ok so you will always get 4 when you roll it

[ashen yarrow]

yeah, same drop rate per action. Just a lot more rare if you only need 1 since need to have 4x squid amount

[noble crow]

Gmgm! Do we know if the Bone Crusher, Ash sanctifier and Scroll Book are also in the Wilderness death mechanic blog thingy?

Currently you lose all charges i think

[ashen yarrow]

bone crusher and ash sanctifier should be safe in deep wildy after change comes live, would need clarification on master scroll book since it has tradable version

[gleaming jungle]

why the fuck are they trying to bring armor to Entrana

oh and everything auto configged now. god forbid I think or lose 19 seconds at a bank

[restive siren]

Wat

[meager flame]

literacy is the polling system's biggest enemy

[tacit wharf]

?

its not entrana mate

its the law alter

2 different locations

or i guess u can say, 2 different planes

[gleaming jungle]

okay sweet thanks my b on the island

however, at large, I feel that QoL updates are intended to make things easier, generally speaking. But there's an important distinction between improving QoL & fundamentally easing the design or intent of a given activity. To me, the "QoL" updates appear to treat simple & manageable constraints (with a few exceptions) as flaws. I don't see the inconveniences in this game as a flaw. Inconvenience is a key part of the fun

[tacit wharf]

i mean this specific example, the law alter not being allowed to bring weapons to it, is a flaw, as the monks have no control over that plane

as you can bring weapons to all the other rc alters

[gleaming jungle]

stuff like making the gloves work on golems, makes sense. Fundamentally reworking trap behavior, stackable net traps, giant gem bags, not a fan of those

[tacit wharf]

fair enough

could also say that reworking trap behavior brings them inline with how the other traps work

so that now u have consistence in the hunter skill and how traps work

[gleaming jungle]

I don't feel like that would be valuable in the larger context of the game. All things will be imperfect, but Jagex kind of presides over which of those imperfections are features & bugs. Over time, those kinds of decisions from Jagex help me build a context for where I should think creatively around a constraint vs. when something is a problem. Obviously they're never going to be perfect but when Jagex proposes to change the context of feature/bug on fundamental game interactions like this, I personally feel like it incentivizes people to complain at all constraints & erodes the 'old school' component

at the end of the day, is an easier hunter trap a problem? no - realistically a matter of taste. I just disagree with framing this & other things proposed as inconveniences to be fixed

[tacit wharf]

still waiting for them to "fix" 0 damage, menu stalling at lizardman shamans and 0 lose 1 tick prayer flicking

[gleaming jungle]

lol no idea what that is

[tacit wharf]

first - where u can set up 2 alts at the lizardman shaman encampment and as long as you dont move, can attack them without taking any damage as yr 2 alts have locked them in place with a menu stall

2nd - just the 0 lose of prayer points while u turn yr prayers on and off in the same tick, which lets be real limits them on what they can offer in the way of new things with prayer

[gleaming jungle]

yeah like why are the traps more of a problem than menu stalling. that should be fixed in my opinion

[tacit wharf]

yr the first that ive seen dislike them fixing hunter traps

[gleaming jungle]

I personally think reworking & adding prayer outside of it's fundamental 'osrs' setup would be a dealbreaker for me

[gleaming jungle]

I'm very fond of the old quirky parts of this game

But I'll look to expand my horizons regarding what could be. Thank you mr ace

good day

[icy relic]

1 tick flicking is largely irrelevant

They just don't want to add new prayers because it adds player power that isn't tied to gear

[fallow drift]

It's, at this point, almost impossible for them to get rid of prayer flicking due to combat achievements that have no prayer lose mentioned. While it was not initially intended for that to be a mechanic, they just adopted it and pretty much told the player base to "get gud". I'm not a fan of it either but I'm just a casual so they don't care

[icy relic]

There are also a bunch of ways to deter flicking, like how curses had to ramp up to full strength or prayer penetration

It clearly is not a problem

[hard axle]

It’s a non issue in most cases and no time for a drink can be cheesed with 0 flick too

[jagged marsh]

In my game I just straight up have an activation cost for flicking your prayer on. I think it's something like 1-0.5%? Enough to make infinite prayer not a thing

Detering flicks through damage ramp up is cool tho

[hasty shard]

ntfad is fucking annoying tbh

i really wish it wasnt a ca

[languid ravine]

other way i thought was you just make prayer only drain when you hit/get hit instead of every second

could be a good idea to change the mechanics more if they ever wanna try do overheads 2.0 again

keep og prayers the same tho prob

[zenith pike]

you're also another thing

[hard axle]

Im safespot tech is dumb broken imo

it’s okay with it

[chrome lantern]

wym giant gem bag? It doesn’t increase the capacity for the gems that already go in the bag, just lets you store additional types of gems

[chrome lantern]

As for the other points of discussion, I personally super love pretty much everything that has to do with how movement and npc parking is used -and abused- in this game, especially with stuff like Red-x stalling. I do think that if Lizardmen in particular were considered to be a concern, then one simple
change could be increasing their aggro/target range to 10 tiles so that they can’t be attacked undetected. That alone would allow them to preserve their arena, movement, and spawns without making a method that disproportionately rewards alting even on an ironman. An alternative solution could also be to make the Lizardman Canyon have an “ironman instance” similar to GWD that would both remove crashing and remove alting

[bronze kernel]

What about making the Lizardman Caves (Not talking the temple in the Swamp) laid out better so you can at least hug the walls. Rooms are slightly too large for that if using a BP

[chrome lantern]

As in make them slightly smaller?

[sacred skiff]

What is this safespot tech that breaks that CA? I’ve tried it a couple times and I don’t think Jad will be a problem but I always lose it somewhere in the mager rounds

[chrome lantern]

I think the cheese tech is just using a regen pot while having high enough prayer bonus

[sacred skiff]

Huh I thought I had tried that, your prayer does still tick down. High prayer bonus does give you more room for error but doesn’t break it

Unless I did something wrong

[icy relic]

You get more leeway with more prayer bonus

I don't think regen works

[chrome lantern]

My understanding was that regen pot can restore partial-prayer-point drain, so it works if you continually keep the bonus up and it ticks before your prayer would drain one point but I haven’t ever made or used one myself

[bronze kernel]

Yes.

[chrome lantern]

I have no thoughts about that because I didn't ever kill them in singles really

[hard axle]

https://youtu.be/bKmH3tblUlg?si=jNQbW5ulNgkDy28A

[south void]

This was a cool watch, thanks for sharing

[fallow drift]

im going to assume youre talking about the badge next to my name in this server? i play a "main" 95% of the time and i have a hcim for the luls when im bored on the main. sorry to burst your joy but any and all of my thoughts/opinions are derived from a main account perspective. thanks for your input though

[fallow drift]

you claimed it can be cheesed with 0 flick but provided clippers video from youtube, in which he flicks???

[grizzled ether]

wouldn't it be better then to remove the hcim helm from your name so as to not confuse people about which perspective you have when you talk about things?

[fallow drift]

it has 0 relevance to this situation

[south void]

I have the sailing icon and I despise the skill. I just like the seagull 😆

[hasty shard]

i mean you could definitely never turn on a prayer and just hide to regen hp whenever you get hit

you should be able to calculate the viability of that on your own though

[hard axle]

Yes, he flicks, you don’t have to

It’s the same concept with that specific rotation

Mix of armadyl brews, regular brews, and menaphites + safespotting

APZ can also 1000% be cheesed

just takes 6x as long

[ruby loom]

wish they'd QoL the steel key ring

that interface is so aids

[scarlet dawn]

#1022203837265756231

[zenith pike]

I would never judge you on the color of your helmet, only the content of your character

[fallow drift]

then why even mention your original response? youve providing nothing of value

[short spindle]

you dont have to interact with the interface, the key works when it's on the ring

just like in real life!

[ruby loom]

crazy concept

[obsidian venture]

Yeah I've never had to use the interface the on the rare chance I need it for clues

[ember token]

i think the only situation where you would ever need to interact with the interface is if you put your enchanted key from making history onto the key ring, and then later you want to do the miniquest and need to take the key off

[trim ridge]

Anyone else getting booted to the login screen on mobile when hopping worlds? My first account is non members and it seems like it wants to hop to that character instead of the one I'm on that has members. Its really annoying.

[south void]

https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1334483887451013120

https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/966267137092100106

[cinder crypt]

any reveals for today?

[south void]

#game-news message Last one was timestamped for yesterday, so not yet, no.

[round lintel]

Easy and medium tasks for Karamja and Varlamore

they are in the wiki

Day 22 Reveal - 13th April

The easy & medium General, Karamja, and Varlamore tasks have been released on the wiki: https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Demonic_Pacts_League/Tasks

[blissful topaz]

Left click bone bury (ground option) coming?

[tacit wharf]

already out

bonecrusher

[meager flame]

its kinda sad that the clue tasks were surprise not nerfed lol

[round lintel]

last league I hated Kandarin (everyone hated it for all reasons but didnt know clues were bugged) pretty much every step on elites and master were watson

and they weren't region locked

and that was with clue relic picked

[meager flame]

i honestly dont even know why they do clue relics like

lol basically it makes a really bad decision making process with how heavily they usually feature clues as far as points go

where you basically have to pick it

its one of those things that should be a passive

would be like if one of the rows was 16x exp or you can pick your slayer task

[bronze kernel]

Just pick them up and bury them yourself.

[bronze kernel]

I probably wish I knew this last League but I wonder if the Sherlock skip tech for Elites would work

[round lintel]

would I ever get this rock golem? im at over 60k amethyst mine, 24m xp

[ember token]

yeah go mine something not lame

like the boulder in volcanic mine

the rock golem can sense these kind of things

[hard axle]

either you pick it or you just shafted

the higher tier caskets rerolling down into other caskets in past leagues was nasty

stackables + psuedo-guarantee versus non-stackables + non-guarantee

and locking like 5k points behind exclusively clues, but also synergizing exceptionally well with the general uniques/clog count made it around 10k total in past leagues

idk, leagues gets boring af after 2 or so

if only they would let you transfer points between accounts so you could multi-log lol

[carmine junco]

They did the nomination thing in the rs3 league that I wish they did for osrs too

[honest marsh]

its been like 10 minutes?

[granite scroll]

?

#game-news message

[honest marsh]

Thanks @granite scroll

[fleet stag]

game is up

[cedar grail]

Alright even after update still unable to take canoe from ferox to wildy, did report again but if you can also report that would be great! Thanks guys

[mint oriole]

enlightened journey bug, cant press move up by one. Both left and right click hidden. All other buttons work as intended
https://gyazo.com/90d085ed3204690488a6de8bf76d4952

[south void]

Should change this message to "Please wait for an announcement that worlds are up, and try again."

[quartz anchor]

Was the big announcement on the launcher not enough?

[south void]

Did you not see what message I was referring to, in response to that person?

[quartz anchor]

I saw it.

If you were playing when the game went down there was an in-game broadcast. If you launched the launcher you would see a large banner telling you game worlds are down. I fail to see why this is an issue

[south void]

Ok, and why do you see it as an issue to change the wording to something else more relevant?
The person pointed out after waiting 10 minutes and doing what the message suggest AKA waited "a few minutes" and "tried again".
It's much clearer if the message stated "Please wait for an announcement that worlds are up, and try again."

[quartz anchor]

I mean they're in the discord so they get updated, they have updates on the launcher, if they didn't get the information before making a post... changing the wording wasn't going to help

[minor whale]

This is hard coded into the login splash screen and is displayed for a ton of reasons. The login doesn't know why service is up but worlds are down, just that they are. This shouldn't change else it'll be wrong half the time

A lot of times a world hiccups and is immediately back online

Sometimes it's displayed because your ISP hiccupped

[south void]

See, this is a better explanation of why it wouldn't change. Thanks.

[stiff thorn]

cant find the post which had the minigame xp block update

[half adder]

Is there no explanation of leagues 6 rewards?

I'm on the edge of maxing I need to know what im delaying that for lol

[tacit wharf]

rewards were blogged and polled months ago already

[ashen yarrow]

https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/leagues-vi-demonic-pacts---announcement?oldschool=1

[half adder]

I missed this completely somehow

[tacit wharf]

blame it on the maxxing brain

[round lintel]

8 hours guys!

[blissful topaz]

Left click bone bury (ground option) coming soon tm?

[languid ravine]

overpowered

what if u got prayer when u bury bones

+1 prayer human bone
+2 prayer big bone
+4 prayer dragon bone

genius??

[pulsar wren]

https://tenor.com/view/not-sure-hmm-thinking-are-you-serious-fry-gif-16246481

[languid ravine]

somebody was asking for f2p prayer potion

[pulsar wren]

ah, clearly im blind, dont see anywhere.

[languid ravine]

buried in #1022203837265756231 somewhere

[pulsar wren]

ah lol

[harsh wraith]

what's the update uptime?

[ornate copper]

https://tenor.com/view/hodor-got-gameof-thrones-gif-14314608

[ancient ember]

You can see all the planned launch times in the blog 🙂 https://cdn.runescape.com/assets/img/external/oldschool/2026/Newsposts/2026-04-14/launchtimes.png

[limpid tide]

Trollheim tele broken!

In poh, doesnt work for me and my clanmates

[timid trail]

Is there updating today or not?

[carmine kettle]

Lost 1200k ash sanctifier charges the second I killed 1 abby demon after the update. Added 50k more charges and then instantly lost them again.

100k*

Same thing happening with bone crusher

also my clanmates are getting a hespri seed on like every farming patch

[neat elbow]

same thing happened to me with sanctifier

[ripe cradle]

ye rip bone crusher charges

[ancient ember]

Thanks for flagging, we're looking into both issues right now!

[queen pike]

added charges and lost them

venator bow

cant go through troll stronghold teleport in poh also, not nexus 1

[neat elbow]

looks like you lose em once you use the item so i wouldnt use any charged items rn

[carmine kettle]

not happening to my ayak so it's not every chargeable item

[neat elbow]

good to know

[ember orchid]

troll stronghold tp on portal nexus not working after update

[limpid tide]

They're looking into this issue.

[ancient ember]

We've updated the newspost with the know issues and their status https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/leagues-vi-demonic-pacts---launches-today?oldschool=1

[ripe cradle]

dunno if it makes any difference but the trollheim tele doesnt work on the standalone portal as well, not just nexus

[carmine kettle]

Don't forget to add venator bow to that losing charges thing. @queen pike said he lost his

[gentle badge]

thank you jagex, I didn't want my bonecrusher charges

[ancient ember]

yes the team is aware, updated the table to make it more clear 🙏

[tropic kelp]

who could have predicted this, surely an update as big as this would never break anything

[mental inlet]

now now..

[lethal topaz]

charge issue potentially also impacts scythe

[tropic kelp]

and shadow?

rip ironmen

[haughty halo]

This is just a suss excuse to scrap leagues, I am telling you its whats going to happen ! 🥸

[valid quail]

Submitted game bug as well but shift click for last contact for NPC contact no workie. Not sure if runelite or main game

[warped trail]

The Troll Stronghold teleport in portal nexus doesnt work after update

[mental inlet]

is it echoing here

[warped trail]

Indeed it seems to be, apologies

[ancient ember]

passing this onto the team, thank you 👀

[raw veldt]

not only portal nexus, normal portals also dont work

[brazen tundra]

mine works

[gentle badge]

11/28 dashing kebbit meats turned into wild kebbit meat when depositing into the bag from the bag

I think transmute is a neat relic, but maybe not in the main game for kebbit meat?

[hard axle]

echo venator bow is immune btw

possible that kitted items are safe?

[ancient ember]

This should now be resolved ✅

[hot torrent]

is it possible to move the update and maintenance back into the same day, the way it was before? or has that ship sailed?

[ripe cradle]

still not working for me

[finite elk]

Or do it on US evenings so the superior part of the world doesn’t notice downtime

[hot torrent]

it just feels bad being locked out of long form content for 2 days a week arbitrarily, when one of them is just "you should be able to log in right away! just restart your client!"

[raw veldt]

do we have to restart the game? because I still cannot use the troll stronghold teleport in either portal and portal nexus

[carmine kettle]

Apparently in main game if you don't have a hespori seed in your inventory you get it from every patch. So, people are dropping the seed and collecting dozens of them. Also, if it goes into your seedbox, you just continually get hespori seeds from every patch

[ripe cradle]

didnt get a single hespori seed on a herb run i just did

[hot torrent]

the whole point of the maintenance being taken out of the update was to make quick uptime after an update. but if we are doing maintenance once a week anyways, its actually worse now because i cant do something like a raid or colo during those times, twice a week

[carmine kettle]

idk just reporting what friends are saying they are experiencing

[neat elbow]

ive gotten 1 per tree so far on my tree run

[carmine kettle]

maybe if you have one in your bank/seed vault it doesn't do it? These players were UIMs

[silent hatch]

not working for me either, relogged, restarted client but no luck

[ripe cradle]

ah ye i got hespori seeds on both

[ancient ember]

shouldn't be the case, letting the team know about this now

[raw veldt]

it works rn, wasnt working when I typed but checked now and both portal and portal nexus works rn

[neat elbow]

hespori seed on every check if not in inventory (unless in seed box)

at least for trees

[dense bear]

The Bonecrusher necklace seems to be broken post-update. It uses up any and all charges when a bone is activated. I went from 4875 charges to 0 when I confirmed it.

[neat elbow]

already known and theyre working on it

same for ash sanctifier and venator bow @dense bear

[visual linden]

Libation bowl isnt consuming wine ??

[craggy radish]

"appreciate our patience" yet none of us are patient

[tropic kelp]

this is the osrs community

[minor whale]

Maybe if this didn't happen every single leagues people would be more forgiving

Only had 6 chances to do it correctly yahoooo

[craggy radish]

yahooooo

[tropic kelp]

its funny atp imo

[hasty shard]

yahoooo

[tropic kelp]

like you are expected to at least have some delay

[craggy radish]

jagex only got leagues release right once yahoo

[hot torrent]

they should just do the wow thing and say they need 3 hours and then people would be happy when its sooner

[tropic kelp]

thats a valid strat tbf

basic psychology

[minor whale]

Main game is buggy af rn so expect way longer than 15 minutes delay

[tacit wharf]

good good

moe league pings for the haters

[tropic kelp]

im not in a rush i got 2 months to play leagues

[heady dew]

its almost like we all do

i dont get the fomo on release

[tropic kelp]

could be rank pushers tbf

some aussies who have to go to work tomorrow or smth

[raw cliff]

Because its fun

[heady dew]

sure, but everyone is delayed

[minor whale]

Venator, Ash Sanctifier, Ectoplasmator deletes all charges on use
Trollheim tele doesn't work
Hespori Seeds are given like 100x more common than they should be farming

[heady dew]

im aussie, idgaf

[tropic kelp]

respect

[heady dew]

moment of silence for the kiwis

[minor whale]

It's extremely fun with all of your friends being on at once

[heady dew]

Sure, but everyone is delayed

15 mins aint a thing

[hot torrent]

some people work, and only have a certain amount of time to play on day of release. if it gets pushed back enough, they just cant log in at all until the next day. this doesnt matter in terms of anything other than "i expected to be able to play, and now i cant, and that sucks"

[tacit wharf]

i mean

what can u do

move

[hot torrent]

if its only 15 mins, sure. if its 1h+, it starts cutting into play time for people

[dawn aurora]

"its only 15mins"

every single league lol

[heady dew]

it sucks, but its life. honestly

[wispy gorge]

It aint gonna be 15 mins my good sir

[mental inlet]

who is this mysterious "team" you keep mentioning HMM?

[tropic kelp]

i mean yes but does that 1 day really make a difference over the span of 2 months?, like sure i get that i can be frustrating but from a rational point of view it makes no difference

[tiny moth]

dont try to be rational with my emotions!

[tacit wharf]

1 min reminder

[minor whale]

People get excited and some people take time off to be there on the first day when it's the most people with the biggest rush of fun

[tropic kelp]

my bad

[tiny moth]

its ok

[heady dew]

its nice watching people defend shit takes 🙂

[minor whale]

So the fact every single league gets delayed is just kinda pathetic at some point lmao

[dawn aurora]

indie game company

[minor whale]

"It's life" isn't really a take worthy of considering because that's just saying "don't ever be disappointed by anything"

[mental inlet]

its live

[heady dew]

you really need to reasses your priorities if youre that upset lad

big problem, little problem, no problem

[pallid river]

I woke up early this leagues cause i was like "surely with this build up and no update last week it will go smoothly" yea... i regret it

[tropic kelp]

i mean if it happens every time then you can just start tomorrow no biggie right? should be expected atp. at least i kinda planned today knowing the start will be delayed and there will be some random bugs popping up so starting tomorrow seems like a safe bet so no rollbacks or more bugs

[pallid river]

GO

GO

GO

[tropic kelp]

that was surprisingly fast

[vivid ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/i-am-about-to-crash-out-sunflower-pvz-plants-vs-zombies-gif-2216785787877099970

[wet torrent]

Jagex is splitting the game in two. THIS UPDATS IS EOC! ☹️

[restive storm]

me as hell getting spam pinged by yagex about the dumbest of things

[sterile minnow]

my bonecrusher charge is gone because bug?

[restive storm]

yea

[sterile minnow]

they will fix it?

[restive storm]

https://klipy.com/gifs/i-dont-know-idk-99

[south void]

Is the charges ping about main game or leagues because with all the spam I can't tell

[restive storm]

thats main game

they accidentally snuck some main game news in the leagues news channel

[south void]

Man, if only there was a separate channel so main game news was clear

[restive storm]

god i cant wait for leagues to end already

[solar dirge]

it is actually incredible that we're missing out on at least two weeks of updates because of a temporary game mode. especially post sub increase, how unbeliveably tonedeaf. also, if you're going to do "poe at home" then at least have the decency of making your addiction feeding experiment free to play.

[vivid ruin]

[restive storm]

i just want there to be something to do in the game man 😢

[obsidian venture]

Gotta wait till summer 🥀

[tacit wharf]

he'll just complain about no pking updates when there is

[restive storm]

Nov -> june content gap is a lil wild

[tacit wharf]

except there wasnt a content gap

remember 99 sailing on yr 2 accounts

[restive storm]

yeah that was november man lol

that was like 6 months ago

[cedar grail]

FIX THE CANOE!! pls report if you guys can. Cant take canoe from ferox to wildy.

[weak oracle]

hey, if u start mining an empty rock while mining another one, you can mine both - think its a bug (with eh)

also, endless harvest relic is bugged on water running calcified rocks - mining just fails @graceful forum

[cyan knoll]

help the water breaks endless harvest at calcified rocks

[oblique sun]

help i need this

[ancient ember]

Shared these with the team, thanks for flagging 🙏

[pure path]

any news on rumours? are they fixed?

[frail cape]

Hey! Currently the liberation bowl in varlamore on the main game doesn’t correctly calculate the bone shards used per jug of wine

Rather than taking away 100 bone shard charges, it just takes away 1

So you get essentially unlimited charges for one jug of wine

[delicate wagon]

Looks like the UI isn't displaying correctly on mobile for leagues

[ancient ember]

could you share a screenshot please to see exactly which UI?

[hard axle]

@ancient ember Goading Potions are now broken at Banshees.

They aggro onto you, but they don't attack, which defeats the purpose of it.

[chrome lantern]

Does the potion work on other stuff?

[hard axle]

Yes, it works on crawling hands and icefiends no issues

[delicate wagon]

Yeah, where can i send it?

[hard axle]

it's just Banshees

[ancient ember]

dm me pls 🙂

[frail cape]

@ancient ember appears the liberation bowl issue is fixed, thank you!

[ancient ember]

It is! ❤️

[opaque escarp]

do calcified rocks work now?

would love to get some prayer xp banked

[peak gulch]

@ancient ember not sure if this is the right channel for this or if this has already been flagged to the team:

Looks like there is a bug with endless harvest and harpooning tuna/swordfish. When the fishing spot moves it tries to force lobsters instead

[lost tulip]

looks like gemstone rocks are bugged with endless harvest

[calm spoke]

it apears that the 700 worlds are bugged somehow in regard to pms from players on rs3. unkown if this is the case for on more regular osrs worlds to, or if players on the 700 worlds can see the messages from players on rs3 but just not showing up on the rs3 side.

[wide lance]

@ancient ember if we are impacted by the charge bug with ash sanctifier can I still charge my sanctifier now that the issue is resolved and I will be refunded back the lost charge at a future time?

[meager flame]

is there some weird interaction between the logout timer and your pc going to sleep?

lmao i guess i cant complain but i basically got an hour of afk rather than 30 mins i realized when i was trying to login to continue afking on my phone

[glass turtle]

is harpoon to cage being worked on for endless harvest

[lost tulip]

yes harpoon to cage was a bandaid so we are at least moving to the next spot

[round lintel]

Dont you guys feel obtaining pacts in certain regions are kinda disbalanced?

[tacit wharf]

i mean, thats part of the decision you make when u go to an area

[rotund eagle]

Anyone know if they are aware that the level boosts aren't working for hunter rumours?

[nimble wharf]

is base stats bugged because of sailing? for tasks?

[loud kelp]

The endless harvest for Lobster spots when trying to harpoon for tuna/swordfish doesn't let ya endlessly harvest

[meager flame]

yeah i think its almost okay but i think some of them are a little excessive

like

kill pnm one time or complete radiant oathplate

should've probably been complete one contract

then just a big point task for the radiant completion

[marsh marten]

Anyone else having issues with the Echo weapon from Amox? Currently only hitting 1's with it.

Sorry, on Eclipse within Perilous Moons seems to be the only issue I have with it hitting 1's.

[raw reef]

has anyone had any issues with teh chop 20 magic logs in varlamore task

[ashen yarrow]

eclipse moon has flat armor and if you take damage from it's attack your hit is reduced by flat amount even more

[round lintel]

Are the base lvl tasks broken?

oh is no longer in the wiki seems like

[tacit wharf]

just did it about an hr ago

[weary chasm]

endless harvest isn't working propperly while fishing. When the fishing spot changes and when i use the harpoon it automatically switches to the lobster pot. This makes me stop fishing if it's not in my inventory.

[tropic kelp]

yes its a known bug

came here to see if it was fixed yet

i guess i got my answer

[wooden mountain]

has wildy been fixed yet

[opaque escarp]

when transmuting ~20 unnoted uncut gems, it says you have no space in your inventory for them, even when you do

also air runes turn into noted pure essence, but air runes aren't noted, they're just stackable

[hollow plover]

bump on this. been waiting on continuing slayer but don't want to touch my bonecrusher in case that messes up something c:

[narrow flicker]

Because I don't think its been picked up, I believe the Asgarnia task for Porcine of Interest is not possible

[merry verge]

no they recently added even more new worlds, without still addressing the too many worlds wildy-issue. I wish they just restrict wilderness to only be available in 50-100 worlds, that'd be so much more fun instead of the "world-hop-scape" it currently is... I have just given up wilderness and am just playing LMS/Emir's Arena now until they do something like this because that much worldhopping to find anyone is so little interactive

[young slate]

Potential minor bug: lighting a torch on the permanent fire next to the bank in the Hunter's Guild does not complete the "Light a torch" task. I had to extinguish it, then light with a tinderbox to get it to complete

[crude temple]

Did you really light it the first time if you had to extinguish it first?

[lone oar]

guam

[blissful topaz]

left click bone bury option for all bones (ground objects) like brutus

[young slate]

It was unlit, I lit it on the fire, waited to see if the task would complete, extinguished it, grabbed my tinderbox from the bank, then lit it with the tinderbox.

[pulsar bane]

Using the transmutation spells on hops seeds flip-flops between seeds and the actual hops.

[crystal agate]

While we're adding pristine hides to under utilized bosses why not a Royal Black D Hide from KBD that can be used to expand/upgrade the coal bag. This works due to the heat resistance of DHide and also the black of the coal wont stain the hide

[velvet orchid]

Did it an hour ago and it worked, I believe one location is bugged atm

[smoky mantle]

I've just recently experienced this as well. It I've been transmuting noted gems. If I have 10 empty inventory spots I can do it no problem. If I have less than 10 I get the same error text. This shouldn't be the case since its transmuting noted emeralds to noted rubies.

[barren venture]

Anyone else report that certain desert tasks require misthalin?

[wooden mountain]

wildy easy diary - collect 5 spider eggs not autocompleted on leagues. cant access edge (mithlin)

[torn marlin]

Is clue relic's steps bugged ? Because i'm running easy clues at 3 steps per ...

[opaque escarp]

is there a banker's briefcase for zanaris?

[round lintel]

btw is all a lie Lumbridge isnt on fire

[warm cedar]

@sullen parrot any idea why twisted banshees are seemingly bugged after the leagues update? have been afking them in the catacombs for the last few days and now they do not attack back if you are wearing earmuffs/slayer helmet and just follow you around, never actually attacking. Pls fix i need to afk my dark mystic gloves for clog 🤣

[sullen parrot]

Wrong Ash, but you can submit a bug report in-game O.o

[tropic kelp]

off topic but are you active in the NFCNMW reddit by any chance

[warm cedar]

@tropic kelp i am not

[tropic kelp]

oh just using the bears sad pepe logo then

[midnight frigate]

Any Wilderness League-ers find a way to complete the Red Spider Egg Diary Task with the Edge Dungeon not accessable?

[torpid delta]

ive heard you can bring your own and drop them in the wildy, but i haven't been able to log on and verify if that works or not yet

[midnight frigate]

Will give that a shot, ty!

It worked, thanks a bunch!

[bronze kernel]

I kind of wished they made Edgeville considered part of the Wilderness region.

[hollow plover]

Any update on the bonecrusher/ash sanctifier/venny bow charge refunds? c:

[eager zinc]

Any update on the impossible tasks like tower of life monsters? And starting elemental workshop 2

[sacred oracle]

@hollow plover

[hollow plover]

ty ^^

[lament jolt]

I was also going to ask about Bonecrusher charge. Good to know lost charges will be refunded. But why does the news post page no longer mention anything about the bonecrusher? It needlessly obfuscates matters by removing any mention of it when it previously was mentioned.

[wide sierra]

What's up with the "Complete a Porcine of Interest" task? I've unlocked Asgarnia, but Draynor Village is considered Misthalin, so I can't even start the quest

[blissful topaz]

Ability for F2P players to turn their runite armour/weapon pieces into gilded by paying npc X amount of coins. Yes i know they are avaible from g.e but this could act as an gold sink aswell.

[timber mango]

Is there a way to buy the painting of Lumbridge watermill for the Asgarnia task without having cooks assistant and sheep shearer completed or was this just a bit of an oversight as well?

[young cypress]

Is there anything I need to do specifically to get larran's keys? I have done several slayer tasks in the wildy and haven't gotten one yet.

[south void]

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Larran's_key

Just bad rng most likely

[young cypress]

Specifically I'm trying to get some keys in leagues. I know the mechanics have shifted from the normal games keys.

[south void]

As far as I can tell from the leagues wiki page, it's no requirements, other than RNG and the usual requirement of being on task.
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Demonic_Pacts_League/Tasks

[minor whale]

Are you on a Krystilia Task?

Krystilia needs to be the one to assign you the task to get Larran's Keys, just like Konar needs to assign tasks for you to get Brimstone keys, even though the task list is the same across all masters

[young cypress]

Yes, I just finally got my first larrans key at revs.

@minor whale @south void thx for the replies!

[south void]

Glad it worked out for you ❤️

[cerulean rain]

It would be sick if the area teleports that you have to go through multiple menus to get to were added to the home teleport's right-click options like the Yama teleport currently is.

[remote ruin]

how do you get a krystilia task in this league? do you need npc contact given that misthalin is unavailable or can you just walk a little south of the ditch?

[wooden mountain]

does anyone know if the odd old man has moved location as we cant acess mithalin?

[devout blade]

Players wanting to get their hands on an Ectophial can complete the Medium Morytania Diary and use the Morytania legs 2 as a Ghostspeak Amulet to reclaim it from Velorina in Port Phasmatys.

Medium Diary requires you to teleport using the ectophial

[spark lava]

Ferox Enclave, I’ve heard

[dire mango]

This does not apply for leagues. Any task in the wilderness from any slayer master gives them.

[midnight frigate]

Did anyone ever get back to you on this? Stuck on this as well, with no way of getting the painting.

[stable wigeon]

weird herblore interaction? The Friendly Forager relic says all actions are done instantly, but if you have 1 secondary and an inventory full of unf pots, the game only does 1 at a time. Means you still have to click manually 27 times... I feel scammed picking this relic !

[analog crow]

Obviously
It instantly does all queued actions. You can only queue one action per item in your inv

Forager is still busted for herblore
You didn’t get scammed

[molten moon]

Wintertodt doesn't seem to give boosted points or pulls in the league, and I can't see the bug aknolwedged on the list of known bugs

[manic shuttle]

Quiver is bugged with crystall blessing. If you have ammo in your secondary slot ranged echoes will not proc

[knotty helm]

Newspost states that At launch, you'll have around ~150 Leagues worlds to choose from, with some having specific themes to help you find other players for certain activities, like Raids, Forestry, etc.
But all are just labeled Leagues VI
ForestryCC would like a Leagues Forestry please.

[round lintel]

Was I tripping or transmutation relic on announced said herbs were part of things you could use the spell on?

[spark lava]

Maybe you got mixed up since you can do herb seeds?

[last onyx]

Homestar runner!!!!

[analog crow]

I don’t think so

Combat so far feels pretty weaksauce this league.
Hope it picks up but it’s very underwhelming so far.

And spending pact points on the small nodes like +1% melee damage or +5 defence boost does not feel good.

[somber yoke]

Has anyone else had trouble with Conniving Clues not working for the Wizard Cromperty master clue step?

[somber yoke]

Also, the clue contract tele to the Sorcerer Tower hard step teleports you to a tile where you can't interact with the step and are actually stuck behind the ladder.

[spark lava]

I don’t think the relic is supposed to do anything for that step. It’s not an emote step

[strange oxide]

Does anyone know how to get a ghostspeak amulet in leagues? kinda stuck without it

[tacit wharf]

morty diary

legs work as one

[strange oxide]

Legs 1 or legs 2? because you can't get the legs 2, you need an ectophial, which you can only get with the amulet unfortunately

[tacit wharf]

didnt they mention something about this

[strange oxide]

I have no idea, I'm having trouble finding much info about it tbh

[tacit wharf]

might be in the leagues discord or a leagues channel here

[strange oxide]

Ok i'll have a look, thanks for the help

[tacit wharf]

think it was a channel husky was posting answers to questiosn in

[jade ravine]

its bugged u cannot do it without the other so its currenty stuck, big oversight

[sick patio]

almost 9 hours of aerial fishing, way over 4k drop rate w/ the tier boost. No Gold Tench.

[spice stream]

It’s still completely bugged for a subsection of people like myself. You need the ectophial to get mory legs 2. And you need a region with Perdu’s lost item shop to get the ectophial. So for some people it’s fine but for many it’s still not fine.

If you go morytania you have a chance to just be locked out of a lot of tasks basically depending on either your progression or region selection

[obtuse gorge]

Anyone only getting 1 frog spawn for the random event and its just messenger frog and not the prince or princess?

Happened for a second time to me now. Also its in leagues if that helps

[ember token]

turn off the entity hider setting that hides random events

[obtuse gorge]

😢 I have done this to myself. Thanks for headsup

[ember token]

yeah its a bit jank because its only suppose to hide other people's random events but I suppose that it cant tell for sure who the other frogs "belong" to

it can only tell that the messenger frog is your random event

[tight verge]

Hope they fix us being locked out of most mory tasks today by not being able to get ghostspeak

[analog crow]

1 free reset is a good start but ideally there should be 1 free daily reset or something so people can experiment freely.

Personally speaking the pact tree is not at all intuitive for me so being locked in to my build feels very uncomfortable

[tropic kelp]

you have 5 resets though thats plenty of room for experimentation

[analog crow]

For many sure. For me I think it’s a waste to have this big upgrade tree with a limited number of chances to respec

[tropic kelp]

how much do you realistically want to respec?

[analog crow]

Too early to say for sure, but once every few days perhaps
Depends on what regions and pvm stuff I end up doing

[tropic kelp]

i guess it boils down to which raid you wanna do

if any

[analog crow]

I think overall osrs is poorly suited to hyper specific class builds
Many people who e.g. specced into range get huge gains in some areas but are basically doing main game dps other places
Cg is especially bad there.

Even respecting within the same style can have a big impact.

[tropic kelp]

well then you pick pacts suited for your areas

there are plenty of pact points to go 2 styles at least

[analog crow]

I think my argument still stands
You want to be able to experiment to find a build you like for your regions and content

[obsidian venture]

It’s pretty limited with regions you pick so 5 is more than enough tbf. Allows you to try the “best” of each style + 2 more which isn’t really needed. But I do see your point to some degree

If you’re able to adjust regions as well then sure I’d agree

[restive storm]

https://klipy.com/gifs/arthur-fist

me everytime i see a leagues @ everyone

[tacit wharf]

then mute it

[restive storm]

no cuz im coping that they might actually update the real game one day and id like to know about it

[tacit wharf]

yes yess we all understand, if its not pvp, yr not going to be happy

but we dont need to hear it everytime

[restive storm]

id just like anything to do on the main game atp im not even asking for specifically pvp update, though id also love those

[tacit wharf]

then find something to do, not jagex's job to keep you occupied

[restive storm]

it quite literally is tho lmao

[tacit wharf]

indeed and there are a plethera of things to do, go find something to do

[restive storm]

i shouldnt have to make a omega ultimate giga 1 chunk ironman to be able to have content to do

[scenic ibex]

Then mute it

[restive storm]

yeah actually true lmao

cuz tbh jagex actually does need to hear about it everytime cuuz its goin on like 6 months of 0 updates

[harsh herald]

the irony being that he is one of the small group of people that feels we need to hear their opinion on everything pvp / restricted account related

[tacit pendant]

Main game not getting nothin til atleast June man. They know, we know, its not fun, but it was told to everyone outright with the roadmap.

[minor whale]

Doesn't mean we can't complain
I love leagues but man it's so depressing that once we inevitably burn out from the 3rd temp gamemode this year we've gotta wait months for actual content

Sorry I guess Gridmaster was November so not this year but the past 6 months

[restive storm]

yeah i mean, while its true i just dunno how theyve managed to fumble thee bag so badly lately

like signing off on 2 temp game modes and 0 updates for 6 months is pretty questionable

I guess by june itll be more like 8 months

[tacit pendant]

Yeah its not, not valid as a complaint. I do think looking functionally at the situation; We bitched a lot about this exact thing with price hikes and got crickets. So you might be complaining to the void unfortunately

[restive storm]

oh i mean im for sure complaining into the void but i been doing that for literally years, so i'm used to that

misery just loves company ig

[tacit pendant]

Yeah idk whats up ace's ass today 🤷

[restive storm]

its everyday tbf he just doesnt like me, but idk why he feels the need to respond to everything i've ever said xD

[austere mulch]

Be a much different situation if they never said leagues won’t impact maingame content or at least acknowledged that it clearly does impact the timeline of maingame releases

It’d still suck, but at least it’d show ownership

[tacit pendant]

Yeah, more self awareness/ownership boils down a lot of my issues since like mid 2025

[brittle rampart]

Genuinely bizarre complaint imo

[obsidian venture]

Which one

@austere mulch how’s leagues going for you?

@restive storm I’m assuming you’re not playing leagues?

[restive storm]

absolutely not

[brittle rampart]

The lack of brand new main game content for the past 2 months. They're planning a raid and a new quest series and just got done adding and rebalancing a skill, I feel like I haven't thirsting for content at all lately. Maybe it's just because I'm an ironman and also play the side game modes but it feels really well paced to me

[obsidian venture]

I wasn’t planning on it but most of my team for content is so might as well

[obsidian venture]

Ah

It’s not a bizarre complaint tbh

Main game should have priority over temp game

And not having content besides a 5 min cow boss is very disappointing

[tacit wharf]

but it only got pushed up because of main game "sailing combat"

[obsidian venture]

Waiting for future content with nothing to do currently is just not good

Yeah the sailing fixes week after week is diabolical

[brittle rampart]

I'd rather they take the time to make the content good than just force new content out all the time, it feels like a lot of the issues people are experienceign is a result of work being back logged off of sailing, which everyone might not be fond of but was a massive main game update

[restive storm]

right, in the last 6 months we've had the afk cow boss since sailing and thats basically it lol

[brittle rampart]

plus the upcoming plans make sense as to why it's taking a while, we used to have a lot more silence for a lot longer between updates

[obsidian venture]

That’s the thing though, in terms of good content, it’s not happening on release no matter how much time we give them

[tacit wharf]

we were well aware of content coming after new years

[obsidian venture]

The only decent update that was fine from release in the last 2 years was Royal titans

[brittle rampart]

Also all the QOL stuff is good, at least to me

[obsidian venture]

Qol is just expected per weekly updates

[restive storm]

QOL is good but it isnt a reason to play the game

[obsidian venture]

So besides the usual updates and stuff, no new content except a cow “boss”

[brittle rampart]

What would be the ideal solution based on the current situation they found themselves in as of january?

[restive storm]

not sure what u mean here, like since sailing combat was so bad its now requiring months and months of work to fix?

liike where should they go from there?

[tacit wharf]

months and months?

[restive storm]

yes

[brittle rampart]

I mean like you work at Jagex, it is january, sailing came out and requires more work. What would you recommend they do?

[tacit wharf]

little exessive

[restive storm]

theyre still working on combat

[tacit wharf]

yes, december is a dead month for content

we all know this

[jagged marsh]

It's also new encounters on top of a rework

They have a lot they need to do before sailing combat is in a good place

[tacit wharf]

so was jan since we knew dmm was going to be end of jan/early feb

so that leaves march and april

so far

[jagged marsh]

It doesn't need to just feel good, there needs to be a good reason to do it besides AFKing mobs

[tacit wharf]

and march was the first month of sailing cmb fixes

[jagged marsh]

Pirates are a step in the right direction but the target is off

[restive storm]

right but i dont base my enjoyment of the game off of jagex planned work schedule. In real time its been 6 months since sailing release and they still cant figure out how to fix combat

[jagged marsh]

I don't think they should be adding a new trial that's for sure

They should rework jubbly so it's not horrible

Instead of making a new trial

[tacit wharf]

and like i said, go find something enjoyable to do in the meantime

its how this game has survived for 25 years

[restive storm]

thats literally what im doing by not playing the game lol

but im just hoping they make changes soon

[jagged marsh]

Well yeah but I'm 90 sailing with no incentive to touch the skill

Some higher level content would be nice instead of Pirates that target mid levels

[tacit wharf]

there shouldnt be 90 sailing content yet

at least upon release and the few months that follow

[restive storm]

i mean that might be parta why i think the skills such a flop

u can get 99 but cant actually do anything w/ the skill

[tacit wharf]

enough of a flop u trained it to 99 on 2 accounts

[restive storm]

yes cuz i wanted my max cape back and to be done on my pure

that doesnt mean i found it to be good quality content lmao

[jagged marsh]

Skill effectively caps out at like 86 once you unlock grimstone

[tacit wharf]

but you just said you werent playing the game

[restive storm]

i havent been playin the game

ive been 99 since the first month of release man lol

[tacit wharf]

i still think it was the best case, let the skill settle, see how people interact with it, get the systems right and then go from there

[restive storm]

this approach im fine with, neglecting the rest of the game in order to keep tuning these systems makes the skill seem worse and worse by the day tho

[tacit wharf]

same thing with integrating it into the game as a whole, no need to do it right away

[tacit wharf]

they havent neglected anything

sailing combat changes where march

[restive storm]

[tacit wharf]

we just didnt get anything in april

thats it

[restive storm]

nor feb, nor jan

[tacit wharf]

feb was dmm

[restive storm]

thats not the main game

[tacit wharf]

jan was a wash, and we knew that since runefest

[restive storm]

right, but us knowing that, doesnt make it more acceptable lol

[obsidian venture]

Yes but knowing future updates that’s later in the year is sad

That’s great for the future

What about now or in a month

That’s main game

They literally announced a cow boss in a game jam and then implemented it asap

Plus spending months to fix something that’s still just as cooked is ???

[tacit wharf]

because it was basically finished in that game jam and over winter break...

[obsidian venture]

Wow

Looks like they can apply that to other things

Where’s the parchment update? Surely can roll that out during leagues

[tacit wharf]

not everything is as simple as making cow boss

[reef shale]

Love the new update for thursday, gives us alot more room to wiggle between builds

[obsidian venture]

But it is simple to spread out content better

[tacit wharf]

and for all we know, parch update could be wed

thur*

[obsidian venture]

[restive storm]

but a parch update is hardly even an update as is lol

likee im not gonna start playin the game again cuz they change how parchments work

[obsidian venture]

Like everyone who doesn’t take off on update days always win

Because no matter how much they delay something, it’s fucked on release

[obsidian venture]

Ye

[tacit pendant]

Its not ideal that by the time sailing is finally "good" everyone will have afked away any reason to go back

Functionally the combat changes dont mean too much to anyone besides the small portion of the playerbase that are "cloggers"

[minor whale]

"Sailing combat rework" which objectively did nothing to make sailing combat more appealing lmao

Yeah it's less expensive but there's still no reason to do it

[obsidian venture]

I’m a clogger but nothing that has been “fixed” is useful

[minor whale]

Exactly
By the time sailing is in a good spot, people who actively play the game will be beyond the fixes they've implemented

[restive storm]

like me, ive been done for months, and sailing sucked when i did it, and i have no reasons why id ever go do sailing again lol

[tacit pendant]

Its a larger issue with skilling as a whole. Post 99 xp is almost exclusively combats

[restive storm]

so like my entire experience with sailing was that it was awful lol

[tacit pendant]

It wasnt awful imo. It was like a decent idle game with some progression i guess. I wouldnt go so far as to say "good"

[restive storm]

I mean I think that our expectations got set so high, that it being an alright idle game, is a giant let down lol

[tacit pendant]

Yes

[austere mulch]

havent given it a shot yet, but i might at some point

leagues have generally been boring to me for awhile now

[warm solstice]

Anyone got a guide for leagues that is good to follow along?

[obsidian venture]

Can follow faux’s guide

[obsidian venture]

It’s been a bit more fun for me personally

I generally burn out within a week

But this time it’s not looking like that

The pacing for stuff is better

[warm solstice]

Does he have a spreadsheet or just video guide

[obsidian venture]

He has both yeah

But a pastebin not a spreadsheet*

[warm solstice]

Would you happen to have a link to it? I couldn’t find it under his most recent vid

[obsidian venture]

I do not unfortunately but maybe someone in #leagues-general does

[warm solstice]

Gotcha thank you

[signal robin]

Conniving Clues (clue contract) is not working on Hot & Cold Master step, where can I report this?
And since it's Leagues the runelite plugin isn't working either yet so we gotta do it by running to every location

[main kestrel]

on leagues, can i change my warnings anywhere?

[tight brook]

Did they give an eta on the gem sack and cannon ball guy?

[kind rivet]

Knight's Sword is impossible to complete, is this being looked at? I saw the pie task is being coldfixed but they didn't mention the quest being fixed since you have to talk to Reldo in Varrock :/

[nocturne solstice]

i dont think that would be a fix, that would just be impossible unless its an autocomplete 🤔

[tawny granite]

I had a thought for the whole pact points thing. A major focus of this league was stated to be getting people to play out Varlemore, but if you look at the pact points available, you can really only get to 5 or 6 before Karamja. Since most builds requite 8-10 points to actually get started, players are pretty much forced into getting out of Varlemore as fast as possible so they can pick up the few easy pact points in Karamja.

It would help a lot if the pact points were taken off of the echoboss tasks, leaving just the respecs, and moving those 4 points to varlemore tasks.

[true talon]

They did talk about adding more pact points, since your limited to 40 and getting anywhere in your builds needs a lot of investment. stuff like rng tasks (cough farm a voidwaker/malediction ward) with no instanced bosses and insane defenses on the bosses......

[nocturne solstice]

I think moving pact points to easier tasks would help a lot tbh

there's a lot of focus on some pretty high lvl pvm or intense grinds which i dont think should be the point of pacts. You should be able to get strong then tackle the challenges rather than being forced to do hard challenges to get strong then have nothing to do cause you already did it.

Stuff like beating collo, infernal cape, full barrows set, feel a bit too extreme imo

[fair ice]

collo and infernal pale in comparison to Awakened kills though no?

If you struggle with certain content you're supposed to wait and treat it as aspirational for once you get stronger

also with the acc and dps changes idk if changing pact points to easier taskjs is actually necessary anymore

[tacit wharf]

thats funny, canoe thinks its in the wrong region

[wet smelt]

The canoe cutscene might be in misthalin

[tacit wharf]

that would be interesting

[tawny granite]

Another thing that would help a ton is to normalize pact points so that you can get a point from each difficulty tier of tasks in each zone. Certain zones have a much higher difficulty curve for pact points, and there are some tasks that are only made easier by a very limited number of builds.

[cobalt stag]

does konar not sign hydra boss tasks? is it bugged?

[analog crow]

Agree.
They made the same design choice with gridmaster where rewards from the hardest content got very limited use. Wish they took on board some feedback from that.
The hardest content should be more point heavy instead of giving you more power.

[analog crow]

Also iirc last league we kept all our items in our inventory when we died. Now there’s a gravestone. Why?
I hope I’m not misremembering this.

[wet smelt]

All masters are the same iirc (assuming leagues)

They all have a mixed list

[wet smelt]

I feel like they could also give out a pact point every week or 2 to help out, but they did say they wanted to keep the max where it is

[nocturne solstice]

They've given one out already and I wouldnt complain if they did it again tbh

[wet smelt]

They gave a restart last night?

Did they give a free point?

I do like the blog saying they were buffing small nodes

It helps a lot with pure melee or pure ranged builds

[nocturne solstice]

They gave out a free pact reset last night

[wet smelt]

Ye, I was talking about a point

[nocturne solstice]

oh then no

i think giving those out per week would be a bit strange haha

[wet smelt]

I know they gave a reset, I was saying it would be nice if they gave a point every week or two

[nocturne solstice]

but maybe if we started with 5 or something?

[wet smelt]

Would help people struggling with getting them

[nocturne solstice]

i wouldnt want free points every week, feels a bit too easy

[wet smelt]

Would help people struggling, while not changing much at the top end I don’t think

Most people who are going to be super good already have most the points by now

[nocturne solstice]

it would definitely change at the top end since they would be stuck on the hardest tasks which now dont matter after a week cause free point.

[wet smelt]

The more points you have the less 1 or two points matter

[nocturne solstice]

Im thinking top end being like, the last 10 points or something to really flesh out the build

With the other changes I mentioned (start with some points and move points to easier tasks) I don't think free points would be necessary.

[wet smelt]

I’d have to mess with the grid, but the difference between 40 and 43 can’t be that much

[radiant bane]

question on the small packs im pure range build. with kings, if i take zero of the 1 percent damage pacts, vs taking 6 of them... aka 6 percent extra dps my flat damage no pray no pots is still 30 30. its great they will add accuracy but what exactly do the 1 percent damage packs do as it dosnt change what i hit.

[nocturne solstice]

They increase damage and it's a big deal since even tiny bonuses mean a lot in this game.