game-update

[round lintel]

but is the only one from the 4 you need bis to get GM time

Passively that is

[chrome lantern]

I will admit that looking at dps calc rn the gap is larger than I expected between eye and shadow at whisperer specifically but it's still less than 10%

[round lintel]

whips is either just too tanky or has too much xp

[chrome lantern]

Oh that's another aspect as well

[meager flame]

i honestly kinda lucked out i spooned whisperer to a crazy degree

[chrome lantern]

A lot of the fight is specials/reduced damage so that part is relatively 0 dps

When it's doing specials

So part of that fight is "hard" limited in speed

[meager flame]

got the ring and the axe sub 200 kc and just abandoned ship immediately lol

well axe piece

[chrome lantern]

I got siren staff at 38 and 138 kc

And then bellator vestige at 438

Which at the time was like 10% dps for me on duke

Compared to ultor

[tacit pendant]

Duke pre changes gave stam pots and kebbits a fuckin use case lol

Double prep tech makes duke so free these days

[chrome lantern]

I did 1k kills with 40-paste spam method and the other 500 for my eye of the duke with 1.5t 2pot method

[meager flame]

tbh the only dt2 boss i actually had to do for real was vard

everything else i got out of pretty reasonably

made me work for the ultor though

[round lintel]

I finished 2 sras on my main and duke was the worst in terms of rng and was before it got QoL

[chrome lantern]

~1k axe head, 1241 ultor, levi lure and venator at 565, 438 bellator+2 staff piece (38/138), then 2 magus (~400 and ~700) then 1505 for eye of duke

6 virtus pieces, 3/2/1 mask/top/bot

Then recently got a third top during a bingo

From vard

0 pet

[chrome lantern]

Speaking of which

[chrome lantern]

Where tfrick is the ancient blood ornament kit in that clog

Put it in there, Jagex

[round lintel]

im 2/3 for Levi and Whisp

[chrome lantern]

1/3 levi and duke

And like I said this was my log when I finished sra

[true talon]

Would ruin my 4 green logs 🙁

[chrome lantern]

Just go not-ranged and practice awakened leviathan in leagues

The other 3 are ez if you have experience at the boss

[true talon]

I have an alt I’m just to lazy to go do it lol

I bought 500 orbs at 450k each and they have gone down 🙁

[chrome lantern]

Oh no, putting in effort to get a collection log from challenging content!!! Gasp!!!

[round lintel]

Im 2/4 on my iron on Awakened

Levi and Whisp to go

[true talon]

I think I got like 50 orbs or something on my iron

[round lintel]

But I no longer have my tbow

[chrome lantern]

I only used 10 on my iron after using like 30 practicing on DMM

[round lintel]

And well never done it without a shadow at whisp

[true talon]

I regret not doing this lol

[round lintel]

I even struggled using 3 orbs at grid master at whisp

[chrome lantern]

I bought them for effectively 10k main game gp after swap rates

[true talon]

I was to busy pking people

[chrome lantern]

It was really nice

[true talon]

Jagex should just do away with orbs and contracts

Make you sacrifice orbs to perm unlock the bosses

[tacit pendant]

While most people would agree with you i very much doubt they will ever do this

[true talon]

That way they have some value

[true talon]

They technically got rid of parchments

[round lintel]

For orbs is kinda impossible to do unless they modify uniques drop rate for awakened

Since is 10x more likely to hit the table

[true talon]

It’s 3x rate for much longer and harder fight

[south void]

Remove orbs, give us cubes

[round lintel]

3x*

[true talon]

You already got death cost for failure so why add on an entry key

[round lintel]

There are some psychopaths who would do this day and night

[tacit pendant]

Money awakened levis would be kinda fire even if unattainable for many players

[round lintel]

Dont get me wrong im not against removing the orbs

They are nowadays kinda worthless drops

Barely add anything to the gp x hr

[south void]

10,000 meat pie entry fee perm unlock

[true talon]

Also glamourer is killing any cosmetic they can make lol

[south void]

They love pies in osrs

[tacit pendant]

Not really

Glamourer doesnt change models. No amount of that plugin gets you a holy scythe or yama sra

[chrome lantern]

It is a little wild that Jagex themselves, in this sequence:
-Designed orbs to actively discourage people from attempting challenging content
-Designed bosses/kill times/loot tables for awakened bosses that wouldn't even make them more worth your time to kill than non-awakened variants if you had complete, unlimited access
-Specifically said themselves, "we recognize we missed the mark with orbs - don't worry, we won't do this again with Yama contracts"
-Designed Yama contracts that are arguably worse since you barely get any from the boss, and the alternative is an atrociously bad form of menial labor that not even noobs would find worth doing, and is entirely reliant on initial release inflation
-Buffed rates for dossiers at the boss, but didn't fundamentally change the system in any way
-Still has Awakener orbs and Purifying sigil contracts in the game

[round lintel]

Idk to me from radiant the best looking piece is the helm

Same fot torva

[tacit pendant]

Not using holy scythes color pallete for radiant was a weird choice

Its right fuckin there

[true talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1482116347268829374/1482116347612631190/Screenshot_2026-03-13_at_20.36.06.png?ex=69c79429&is=69c642a9&hm=6d67697509fe3ecdf34f3fc27b7ff8a65069a13e3a54a1f87946308d4cf26d92&

[chrome lantern]

Sanguine torva looks so bad xd
I don't want spires and ramparts on my armor

[tacit pendant]

Thats great and all but just know when i see you in game. Its just reg virtus lol

[round lintel]

I only like the helm

[chrome lantern]

The helm is the worst piece

[true talon]

Nah glamourer has sync which shows to everyone using the plugin

[chrome lantern]

Which honestly sanguine torva is really impressive

Because it's really hard to make something worse than the original torva

But they did

[true talon]

It’s above and beyond the animation swapper plugin

[chrome lantern]

I don't use that plugin though

Why would I

[true talon]

Because it’s great?

[carmine junco]

Fashion?

[round lintel]

I dont use it and wouldnt use it

[chrome lantern]

Why would I want to look at something that isn't there

[true talon]

The freedom to design anything you want is wild

[tacit pendant]

I dont use it so itll be reg virtus lol

[obsidian venture]

Yeah I don’t have that plugin so imma just see plain virt

[round lintel]

Not because I think of anything in particular about it, just that I like my real cosmetics

[chrome lantern]

I did play around with the plugin but then I realized

[obsidian venture]

I like sanguine torva but I like radiant moreso ngl

[chrome lantern]

The game has a good graphic design and I don't want to mess with it

[true talon]

But that’s only what others see, why would you care what others think?

[chrome lantern]

Turned it off very quickly

[carmine junco]

It's okay to just not like it

[sacred skiff]

Shadow-themed virtus looks clean tho

[obsidian venture]

I don’t care. I’m just saying I’ll see reg virt and that’s it

[sacred skiff]

But I haven't been spooned a shadow so

[obsidian venture]

I’m down for more legit cosmetics but Jagex only deems it fit for endgame

[true talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1483440451750072360/1483440452228218920/image.png?ex=69c7c814&is=69c67694&hm=09d70a5a0b495e82b0ed29175c44eec5772490ebdfe3d10a63cde9207f4291f2&

[round lintel]

Wow ahahaha

[tacit pendant]

Its like saying cosmetics dont matter because you use hdos or something

[round lintel]

Thats not zamorak like at all

[chrome lantern]

Everything about what I'm looking at looks bad to me

[frozen lion]

"Move the Dragon pickaxe upgrade kit to Petrified Pete's Shop at Volcanic Mine."

does it mean, the clog will be moved from LMS to Volcanic Mine, instead of removing it from clog entirely?

[chrome lantern]

The HD, the color scheme

[obsidian venture]

Good question

[ember token]

i would presume so

[obsidian venture]

That certainly makes me not want to use that more but I can see the appeal

[chrome lantern]

Honestly if anything, you showing me that just made me not want to use the plugin even more so that I can't see others' bad design choices

[obsidian venture]

😂

[tacit pendant]

Yeah i dont wanna see everyother players fucking coloring book bullshit

And besides that point, glamourer doesnt adjust models or where certain "paint by numbers" areas are placed

I can see me using it to slightly adjust some really harsh colors on certain items to look a bit more in line with rest of game (when on 117hd) buts thats prob it

[true talon]

Animation swapper adjusts models to other things, glam just allows you to fix the colors

Both combined lets you have dif models and colors

[tacit pendant]

Animation swapper adjusts things to other existing models

[chrome lantern]

Anyway the main point being that these plugins don't "kill" actual cosmetics and designs because:
-Most players don't use them
-Most players care more about what they're actually using and even if they don't care about what others think, they recognize it's just not really what's there

[tacit pendant]

You cant make a new model and put it in game yet

And the most minor of points, ornament kits help with death fees if the game keeps getting hard updates like doom this is pretty relavant, even if weird design

That new axe is like a decent reccomendation for using a sra as a free sol weapon with no death fee lol

But like other games like LOL or any fighting game, you could always mod shit in yourself and yet, people buy skins

[snow berry]

It seems unfair to cloggers who spent all that time in LMS getting clogs to just delete the clog entries and force our rank down in an integrity update, jussayin'

[chrome lantern]

Yeah they should really just add BH to the clog

[ashen yarrow]

collection log hunters who didnt do lms would then cry about it, only way is to add it to both

[chrome lantern]

I did see an alternative which was to leave an untradeable variant in the LMS shop

Could make it work like DMM kits where you consume it and then can freely apply the cosmetic to future items

[fresh forge]

I see random streamers now counts as developer news

[chrome lantern]

"Developer news" is for stuff hosted or posted by the developers such as events and stuff that doesn't affect game content

[restive storm]

i mean man it was unfair to us singles pkers that they deleted singles+ overnight, but the team just clearly has no idea what theyre doing when it comes to pvp updates so we just gotta deal w/ it

[snow berry]

PVP would be better if they didn't do anything

[restive storm]

TRUE

[snow berry]

They make it worse every time they touch it

Literally every time

[floral parrot]

??? what version are you using

[true talon]

I might of been wrong about that. i thought it was finished XD

[floral parrot]

It's probably never getting full sync with everyone using the plugin

[true talon]

ahh its still a great plugin.

I was big lover of animation swaper, but the ability to edit colors is insane

[floral parrot]

I don't think glamourer will ever come close to making jagex designed cosmetics obsolete. It does hopefully inspire them to do more creative model editing and fewer pure recolors

[true talon]

Thats still a W

[tacit pendant]

The dev has said the infrastructure needed to have sync with all players work would require the plugin to become a job fueled by donations

[hard axle]

It probably would require a different server to track it all, similar to star miners but 1000x the data, since it would need to check for the player, load each players config for you, etc.

[plush blaze]

It’s any bug with Trouver System Rework? Always after dead killed in pvp in wilderness always have to use again the Trouver Parchment for void equipment plus 500k for each. I lost millions by now

Its said one time needs to be used but it not true

Even for fire cape I need to pay Trouver Parchment plus 500 k gold each time I die

[torpid delta]

that wasn't an update blogpost my man it hasn't happened yet

[plush blaze]

Oh so their planing too

[torpid delta]

yeah

[plush blaze]

Thanks

[torpid delta]

unknown how long it'll be, or if they'll change anything about it from the post

[plush blaze]

Aham

We will see

[vivid iris]

I have a question about the new proposed trouver system.

It says that we'll only need to parchment our items once, and it stays forever. It also said that on death, the higher-tier items (infernal cape, quiver, etc) will be "mangled" above 20 wilderness, but isn't that negated with a (now permanent) parchment? So it will be impossible to lose these items no matter how many times you die in the wildy? So you can freely risk infernal cape, fighter torso, avernic defender, full void, rune pouch, quiver, and not lose a single GP on death?

If that's NOT the case and those items are instead "mangled", then what was the point of locking them in the first place?

[chrome lantern]

I believe the intent is that the parchment single use permanently unlocks the ability to become mangled

If you don't parch it you will just lose it

Anything that doesn't mangle and currently breaks will break below 20 and mangle above 20

And anything that doesn't have a fee at all right now and/or parchment just gets freely protected

[ashen yarrow]

Mangled is the broken mechanic on trouver parchment. If you die to other player in deep wilderness you have to pay 500k repair fee to use the item again

[vivid iris]

the language of the blog post seems to suggest that you will never lose them

even if unlocked

[ashen yarrow]

Yes you will still need to pay to repair it after death to equip/use it. Just do not need to use new trouver parchment on it

[chrome lantern]

I do not read it that way

[vivid iris]

" The general rule of thumb here is that untradeables with no Combat benefits should never be lost on death, untradeables with some Combat bonuses will break and need repairing without a Trouver parchment, untradeables with strong Combat bonuses will need to be 'Trouvered' once, then never again."

[chrome lantern]

Yes, and they listed specifically those "higher tier" untradeables that will still need parchments

[vivid iris]

so you can still lose them if they havent been parched before

[chrome lantern]

For these specifically, if you lose them above 20 without a parchment ever being applied, you will lose them

[vivid iris]

ok, i see

[ashen yarrow]

The ones that dont need parchment even in deep wildy are stuff like fire cape which are listed in blog. Those have their own repair fees.

[chrome lantern]

When it has been applied, you repair for current fees at 20 and below, and then above 20 it gets "mangled" for 500k repair, then goes back to being parched

[vivid iris]

so fire cape-type items will never need to be parchmented at all and are safe?

but will have to be repaired as normal

[chrome lantern]

These items specifically will not need a parch above 20 to retain their current repair fee

It will be the same above 20 as it currently is dying with it below 20

[vivid iris]

Non-combat items (e.g. graceful):

• Always safe at every wildy level
• No parchment required

Lower-tier combat items (fire cape, assembler, etc):

• Will break regardless of wilderness level but will never be lost
• No parchment required

Higher-tier combat items (infernal cape, quiver):

• Mangled above 20 wildy
• Broken below 20 wildy
• Lost above 20 wildy if it has never been parchmented
• Will always be kept (mangled or broken) if it has been parchmented (only needs to be done once)

thanks

[ashen yarrow]

The funny part is avernic defender is listed at low tier items because it already has 600k repair fee

[silk thicket]

???? Avernic and dragon defenders

Also r ma2 capes gna be cheaper or what

With repair

[meager flame]

I’m still confused about their reasoning when it comes to the parchment stuff as far as not just implementing repair fees straight up and not even having the parchment in the first place

[silk thicket]

They mentioned it in the blog, something about gold generation

[meager flame]

Seems like they know it should’ve been like that to begin with but are worried about an honestly small amount of gp being added to the game relative to other dumb stuff they do

[silk thicket]

Presumably because the first drop is “free” gp

[meager flame]

It honestly seems like a pretty crazy concern when they regularly drop alchs from stuff for free

They should just tune how much each item is actually worth to repair and on death

And tbh they don’t even exactly need to even go for the repair route with many of the items

Like if perdue just sells the item back to you

Probably don’t need a repair

[silk thicket]

Ye confused about ma2 capes u buy em for 250k anyway

[ashen yarrow]

basically there would be "high" tier items that players could abuse to gain 500k gp if there was no parchment to apply on them. like ancient sceptre would add 450k value on icon + quartz

[silk thicket]

Ye I just feel like the one off parch should be consistent

Instead of having to check the wiki to see if I keep the item

Then being worried I read the wrong article etc

[ashen yarrow]

avernic itself already has higher repair cost without parchment so i think that is why they didnt add it to parchment list

[silk thicket]

Fire cape for +4 str 150k or whatever might be a rag set play

[silk thicket]

Should be 1m at least anyway tho

Don’t see why the don’t turn recurring parchments into a gold sink

Also making void like 1/3rd thr cost is kinda insane

[meager flame]

this is why they should be sane about it instead

the whole problem is because they're trying to generalize everything instead of picking an appropriate value based on each item

basically they dont seem to want to actually handle each item so its holding them back from doing the correct thing

and they're trying to compromise with the fact that they dont want to work on it lmao

people probably shouldn't really support them doing that

[silk thicket]

Make everything that’s decent 1m (void, infernal, defender)

Maybe 1.5m

Void is alrdy rly good for the price

[meager flame]

yeah i dont even think they're worried about those items for the most part

i think they're scared of something really stupid like

people generating tons of gp because some item they want to award 500k for actually not being worth 500k at all and theres some method of gathering tons of them

and converting directly to gp

which is why they really need to stop and use their brains on this one instead of making everything the same with restrictions that they know the game would be better off without

looking at their list though i think what we're worried about is probably torso and rune pouch

but im not sure those are actual problems

[plush blaze]

I died with full void , avernic, inferno cape and cost me again 1.5 mil per piece, before the ongoing update . Why, because i had to pay again Trouver Parchment and 500,000 GP to Perdu , which cost me for that lost 9 mil for 6 pieces

[meager flame]

tbh i think they might just be more cautious than it makes sense to be

[plush blaze]

This is what I lost every time I die in wilderness above level 20 with this gear .

9 mil

[meager flame]

just kinda glancing over how fast you can get torsos or pouches as well as the other stuff it just doesn't seem like it would be a very good way to get gp

you'd generate more gold by just slapping revs or whatever easily

and if they're honestly that worried about first time gp generation or whatever

even though it kind of looks like a bit of a meme

why not just let people talk to perdu and spend the money to lock their items without a parchment in the first place

i can think of one reason even though they didnt say it out loud but it sorta looks like this is just them trying to protect wilderness slayer gp drop

[gaunt minnow]

would people support a melee equiment rebalancing? Seems odd that we have the bis melee gar coming from a mid game boss (yama) and tob dropping almost useless melee gear

or is it too far gone now?

[tribal mango]

if the Trouver Parchment updates pass, can you still unlock locked items with Perdu to reobtain the parchment?

[chrome lantern]

Yeah I think one concern that’s still going to exist is that we’re still going to see billybob that doesn’t know better dying for full void teleporting to KBD without knowing what a parchment is.

In an ideal world, we'd do away with Trouver Parchments entirely, but it's not safe for us to take this approach without risking more raw GP generation than we're comfortable with.

I don’t think the issue is really present at all, unless they’re just talking about a one-time GP generation from the parchments themselves existing, if they were to replace it with GE value or something. All of the items listed in the “high-tier” section take significantly long enough to obtain that they would never reasonably be used for gold generation when you can just go do literally anything else

[chrome lantern]

I assume you mean for the “low-tier” breakable items, since the high-tier ones would still need to have that one parch applied.

I was also curious about that tbh, what would happen to an existing parchmented defender or torso

[ashen yarrow]

like the easiest solution for the 1 time gp value abuse would be for the high tier items to need to be used on perdu for the fix cost once before they are protected in deep wildy, assuming you even need it. DT2 bosses would get indirect boost to drop table value from it but nothing else really becomes gp source

[meager flame]

ya i think they're being too scared to make a good change over something that in the grand scheme of things will be very minor

[tacit pendant]

Yeah i just dont see how this is relevant unless they mean youll need to get new parchements as the source of repair

Long term. The first death "not generating gp" is a literal drop in the bucket

And if the repair costs the same gp, its net 0 anyways unless the victim never ever repairs

[peak lake]

Hey guys. Just had a question and can’t find any answers on google .
I’m playing mobile and since the latest update I haven’t been able to trade Justine at LMS. Only examine, and just noticed now I can’t loot my gravestone , same thing only examine . Any help or answers is greatly appreciated

[meager flame]

this is why i dont understand why they didnt just remove the parchments and let you use the items on perdu once

to just pay the first fee

then never again for existing stuff

since it would just be in the state to be repaired after that

seems like it would just sidestep any weird stuff

that + a warning letting you know that you didn't talk to perdu yet for any unprotected items should be good enough id think

[tacit pendant]

honestly, idek that the first fee is needed, every repair is a net 0

[meager flame]

yeah but its just a way to step around the nonsense if they're really worried about it

its really more of a demonstration of like

basically how their conclusion of just removing parchment isn't something that they can do is nonsense

they could easily have perdu protect things like you had a parchment at all times for a fee and just delete the item itself

i haven't seen the code first hand but lol

perdu already does it when you give him the item and the parchment it should be relatively simple to just remove the parchment from the equation

[south void]

This would mean they have to code the protection into perdu and ensure it works wile maintaining his current use. It's not that easy. It's simpler to have an item coded for each functionality.

[meager flame]

he already does it

you hand him the items

[south void]

He does one function, if they add the code from the parchment it's not a 1 to 1 swapover.

What I'm trying to explain is it's more than likely easier not to break things when the code is separated between the npc and the scroll, regarding permanent unlock functionality vs. one time use on items on the npc.

[meager flame]

i'd be surprised if it isn't a built in function of the npc rather than the item

otherwise why would perdu be used at all in the process

granted maybe someone just thought he was cool somehow but

idk

probably works like any other npc that asks you for xyz and gives you back something else

[south void]

Perdu has multiple functions, the scroll has one. What I'm trying to portray is changing perdu is harder than changing the scroll in terms of coding.

[meager flame]

yeah but they're changing perdu since perdu is likely the source of everything going on already

the parchment is probably an item with nothing besides an id more or less

[south void]

Right, but the fix they supposedly can make right now is on the scroll, it's a bandaid until they can figure out what's making perdu not capture that same function.

The scroll triggers the function to happen on perdu, but they haven't been able to isolate why perdu can't trigger the function without the scroll being required.

[meager flame]

where did they say this

[south void]

(I'm assuming.) No one other than the ones looking or working with the code would know.

[meager flame]

i'd be shocked if they couldn't figure that out

[south void]

I didn't say they couldn't, I said for now they are making a temporary fix until they can.

[meager flame]

they probably just had other reasons they didnt want to say out loud like wanting to keep wilderness slayer creatures more profitable

or the thought just didn't occur to them

[blissful topaz]

^

@winter hearth pls tell ur bubbas to add the left click bone bury option that was introduced first in the new player blog. -hank

[minor whale]

They delay it a week every time you ping a jmod and ask for it

At least that's what I hope they do

[brisk hill]

i stand in solidarity with Hank.

[minor whale]

Gonna be hilarious when the first 1 prayer pure buries bones on accident

[chrome lantern]

Surely they do a "Bury the bones?" "Yes/No/Yes, and don't ask again"

Surely they learned their lesson from doing that at Obor/Bryophyta

[meager flame]

i feel like it shouldn't cost 100 gp to unnote things for the cannonball furnace im ngl

why are they so desperate for that activity to suck somehow lol

[chrome lantern]

Presumably the intent is to make it so that it's not worth making low-tier cannonballs there

But then the question is why

[meager flame]

yeah like "oh no what if people make cannonballs that suck"

is kind of a crazy concern

[chrome lantern]

Because the alternative is making high-tier cannonballs which are even less worth making xd

[meager flame]

maybe if they specifically were worried about steel they could just make it not work for steel honestly

[chrome lantern]

Which would entirely defeat the entire purpose of the furnace

[meager flame]

because its obv supposed to be like

a sailing combat furnace for cannonballs

[chrome lantern]

Because nobody is ever making an addy or rune cannonball

[meager flame]

it would be fine if it was a little weird about steel since realistically you shouldn't be firing those on a ship

[chrome lantern]

And you can buy mith cannonballs

If you polled the cannonball furnace as the "cannonballs, but not the ones you actually care about making" furnace it would fail dramatically in polls

[meager flame]

yeah but its clearly meant for cannons on ships not the cannon on land

and if they then found out nobody would make stuff there anyways

[chrome lantern]

And yet they made it so that you would never make a cannonball for cannons on ships in your entire life

[meager flame]

they could face the music and realize

hey maybe making 4 cannonballs isn't enough

which is coming

its just interesting to see how long it takes to get there

they've got kind of an insane outlook on things

they're like deathly afraid of someone actually skilling to create their resources lol

and keep trying to solve for situations where you use a shop or npc drops

[gaunt minnow]

I kinda get it, a common complaint in rs3 is that there’s a bunch of skilling chores you have to do before you can pvm

And it’s not fun

That doesn’t mean I wouldn’t love some good skilling activities that are actually worth doing

[tacit pendant]

Idk. If you want like 100k cannonballs for slayer on an ironman. 2.5mil doesnt seem awful from the perspective that theres already not a ton for irons to blow gp on in the end game anyways

[true talon]

Dont think i make cannon balls ever, i kill things that drop them.

in time it takes to get 2k c balls you can kill corp and get a drop or kill venenatis/vetion

C ball crafting is painfully slow and bad

[gaunt minnow]

Yeah I’ve never made them either and currently got about a 40k stack. Havnt even started corp yet

[chrome lantern]

I just went under 100k cballs on my iron going for imbued heart yesterday

I would absolutely spend 2.5m to make another 100k faster

[restive siren]

bro i spent like 500k cballs for my heart

idk how any iron does that grind

[chrome lantern]

I mean usually they don’t

Because it’s awful

I’ve been “grinding for the heart” for like 4 years now

I can barely stomach doing it here and there every once in a while

[restive siren]

i did 20m slayer in like 2 months for heart

i am very over it

[chrome lantern]

I’m at like 27.5m rn

[restive siren]

ye 35 total for me

[chrome lantern]

I’ve been “over it” with slayer for like 25m slayer xp or more

[restive siren]

calced it to be like 3.5x rate

[chrome lantern]

15m of that slayer xp or more is from slayer bosses/vw grind/things you kill on task that don’t have superiors and TD/gorillas/etc. unfortunately

So not even eligible

Turns out that going dry on hydra and cerb is a lot of xp

[round lintel]

Yall tell me if im not shadowbanned

I lost cuz mf hit 3 30 barrages b3b with rcb and Karils on

[restive siren]

off to #pvp-discussion

shoo

im happy for you or im sorry that happened

anyways

[round lintel]

is a tragic sad thing to happen

my rsn is shad0wbanned

xd

[round lintel]

well 99FM no tome

[true talon]

My friend has been doing tural skipping everyday for over half the year now

Think this was jis last check in

and that was 6 days ago lol

He ran out of cballs months ago and didnt make more, just continued with ven bow and barrage smoke devils

[restive siren]

Yeah hes like 10% further than i was seems like

Crazy, i only got 2 gems

But god without cannon that just sucks

[hard axle]

long is dead the mentality of "i have to do this in order to do that"

modern irons are just ex-med level mains that want to larp as old gen irons

[tacit pendant]

Its like actually free tho essentially

I guess you get a scythe etc and scar ess blood runes or souls for shadow but

[hard axle]

yup, they are moving away from boss item exclusive-chargeable content now

just look at ayak and shadow have rune-charge options

i remember when irons were complaining about zulrah scales lmao

[tacit pendant]

🤷

[true talon]

All powered staffs use runes......

[tacit pendant]

Imo ayak should have used runes and sunfire splinters and never even made the new demon tears

[true talon]

Sunfire splinters got shafted so hard

yea demon tears seem kinda whatever, if they made it use sunfire splinters + runes and then had doom drop sunfire splinters and you used the splinters to make boots ect

They got sunfire splinters and they got no uses...... outside of making a imbued quiver

oh and i guess ralos charges that no1 uses lol

[austere mulch]

Never won’t be funny that the devs wanted a nerfed version of the current ralos in game

Instead of giving it two places it’s good at, they only wanted it to be one 💀

[tacit pendant]

Hey man hypothetically one day itll be the bis def drain spec for SAILING only because you cant hammer something off the side of yee boat

[round lintel]

it was for the first hr of doom bis spec

xddd

[hard axle]

remember when swamp, serp helm, and bp were meta

it wasn't just runes always

that's my point

[tacit pendant]

Tbh fuck zulrah and fuck making that the chore we gotta do lolol

[hard axle]

[round lintel]

zulrah is sooo easy to get to nowadays and for irons is just sooo goood

the antidote drop is soo good for other content

before you have high herblore

[tacit pendant]

Yeah i just personally dislike the boss for purely emotional reasons

[round lintel]

i could be saying that, double death pet at 65kc back in 2017

at 6200kc no other pet

[hasty shard]

its like the only realistic way to get antidotes tbh

[round lintel]

true

at 99 farming best is about 24 antidotes per day using magic roots

[chrome lantern]

If you had unlimited magic seeds

And uh

Also spent the time it takes to cut all 48 of those magic logs

Which, coming from someone who has 1.5ted their farmed trees before... is not great

[round lintel]

is like sanfews

so boring trying to get all the stuff for just a few sanfews

and only monsters that drop it are some wildy and nightmare/pnm

I do believe we should have Antivenom drops

do you guys think we'll get an oathplate type of armour for stab?

[sacred skiff]

Eventually, almost certainly.

Super Mixed Hide

Sir Mix-a-lot Hide

[chrome lantern]

Mixed hide 2

[tacit pendant]

Torva 2 electric boogaloo

[placid tiger]

I can dig it

[minor whale]

Eventually, but it will basically kill off Torva as having any value at all

It's currently only used for helmet slot or if you're stabbing something

[hasty shard]

im honestly shocked inq has somehow not been powercrept yet

like allll this bs and it still has like an extra max over stuff i think

[round lintel]

Another question, why did they make it so make dragon keels or large dragon keels you need to do it in the ancient cave?

feels kinda annoying to do when the other resources dont need that

[hasty shard]

redditors wanted the dragon forge to be useful

which is dumb

[chrome lantern]

Did they actually or was it just Jagex good idea

"Good"

[hasty shard]

its jagex tbh

[chrome lantern]

They've made a lot of "thematic" decisions that just don't really make sense

[hasty shard]

dragon keel parts are incredibly dumb imo but its also like redditors do have a fundamental misunderstanding of dragon equipment lore

like ur telling me the dragon people had boats

[round lintel]

i would have been ok if they made it in a small volcanic island

but the ancient cave seems out of place

specially cuz the bank is not that close, you gotta go over 4 times for just a boat

[ember token]

• i dont think this is a reddit thing
• the dragon forge is where you smith various other dragon items
  • but it also wouldnt be unreasonable for it to not use the forge - you make the sq shield at an anvil, a dwarf repairs the pickaxe for you, otto, repairs the dragon hasta, so its not super consistent as it is
• i dont really see the issue with needing to run there a few times, its not like you have to regularly go there
• frost dragons and strykewyrms only drop dragon metal sheets and nails, which is not unrealistic for the dragonkin to have had, so it's not like the dragonkin were the ones making keel parts

[full birch]

i mean dragon originally was not meant to be related to the dragons just an alloy

yeah they spell it with k`s in the wiki

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Orikalkum

[round lintel]

is just an incovinience if you want to boost, and to be completely honest is the only part of sailing stuff that requires those specific annoying steps

[languid ravine]

sounds like skyrim ore

[round lintel]

everything else can be done in an anvil or a port

[languid ravine]

wiki/Orichalcum_Ore_(Skyrim)
maybe thats why lol

[meager flame]

It’s very good they would have to make torva 2

After their rework it’s very slightly better scaling wise than oathplate

[brisk hill]

Pls add anti venom & 1 extra restore to the lms invy kit ty

[true talon]

venenatis

[chrome lantern]

While it is an ore in Skyrim, it’s also a generic fantasy mineral present in many fantasy books and games etc.

[tacit pendant]

Inq set would be like half a bil if you used crush anywhere

Its such a meme to invest in inq before every single pvm update

[true talon]

I suspect crush raid for raids 4

[meager flame]

tbf it probably wouldn't cost that much because i imagine once it has a real use

people will actually do the boss that drops it

[tacit pendant]

You are probably right turkey. But i could see the boss stabilizing around 8-9m an hour with the set chilling around 350ish. The helmet has the most to gain from a raid as a lot of crush bosses happen to be slayer tasks.

[minor whale]

Noxious is absolutely broken in LMS lol

Half the fights by end are catch freeze and halberd, wait for venom, and just don't step back out

Whoever catches most freezes gets free win

An ant venom in place of a brew would do numbers

Or just make it not venom?

[true talon]

They prob just need to add an anti-venom +

this is first time they added a venom wep to LMS lol

[ashen yarrow]

they could just change it to only poison or not even apply status effect in lms

[true talon]

Not worth doing that, because it has risk it could mess up the active game code

way easier to just add a anti-venom +

[tacit pendant]

One less food for anti venom is both "closer to real pvp" and also speeds up fights

[brisk hill]

Just add anti venom & an extra restore ty

[tacit pendant]

But also shit like an rcb vs default tank set is ass

Dragon is closer to "real scenario" cheap dps weapon

Zcb, knives, or BofA as the upgrade

[brisk hill]

Yea you’re not in barrows max w/o dcb. It’s a nothing burger bc rng in Lms is broken atm, bolting 30’s on tank with rcb consistently isn’t real lol

[tacit pendant]

I like their ideas but they were not fully thought out or like tested in a game lol

By ideas i mean like the goal they say they have

I have 0 issue with a minigame that gives low skill players or bots 1 mil an hour. From a botting perspective it just simply does not affect the economy as a bot could do anything else for 1 mil an hour. And if its such an issue for suicide bots, raise the requirements a little bit to where bots do some other activity

[meager flame]

thats kind of a bad way to view bots

[ashen yarrow]

zerker lms you just atlatl enemy through prot range and still outdps anyway

[meager flame]

since realistically they should be correcting every low effort suicide bot method

they're basically an automated process to let jagex know when their game balance failed

because they'll just bomb the easiest thing they can do that gives them too much reward for no input

eventually jagex would start to squeeze them if they went through the process for each method they came up with and cause them to need to invest more time in the accounts to get anything done

giving them longer to ban them

basically the only effective measure against bot farms is reducing their efficiency until the people in real life aren't making enough money to justify what they're doing

since they'll never just eliminate them with better detection

[ashen yarrow]

every moneymaker behind 1.5k total level requirement to punish normal players on new account to keep bots away

[meager flame]

tbf if you're like 1200 total

you dont need 1m/hr for anything

a normal person has plenty of questing and account progression to get to at that point that doesn't really require tons of gp or great money methods

the game for them is usually about unlocking methods that actually are good rather than finding like

some way to overload lms with a bunch of accounts you've been preparing because it totals up to a ton of gp without much investment

[tacit pendant]

I mean are we even disagreeing?

I would be down for higher reqs to get into lms. But 1m an hour has such a drastically huge amount of activities that accomplish that goal for suicide bots. Idc if normal players are generating 1m an hour to throw them a bone in lms, and for any minigame that bots hurt the gameplay loop of higher requirements kinda make it a weird choice to go bot there over like a lot of processing "activities"

Like if soul wars, castle wars, and lms all required some crazy like 80 slayer, 1500 total, x amount of qp (i dont necessarily want this) them generating less alchables or supplies than other things youd wanna do at those levels is fine imo

[hard axle]

in general, reqs are good

no reqs = shit gets botted 10x harder.

Imagine CG without a long questline + 10 70s

If you don't have reqs, work towards it

[tacit pendant]

I agree

And "iron integrity" of not getting rune arrows at level 3 is also kinda solved eith higher reqs

(a non-issue imo but ya know)

[silk thicket]

Legit just make it so afking doesn’t give points

The whole issue is solved

[tacit pendant]

I mean. Terminator bots are worse than the afk bots

[silk thicket]

They get banned in <24h tho

[tacit pendant]

Source?

And like which month are we talking because jagex is hella up and down, and like... They come back

[silk thicket]

That one is from personally playing a lot of lms (13k rank) and looking up the 1t bots, they always have <1k rank, normally <800

The afk ones go a long time with no bans tho

[tacit pendant]

Terminators probably get reported wayyyy more ill agree

[silk thicket]

Yh and they can easily detect it

[tacit pendant]

But wouldnt higher reqs mean the style of bot thats banned faster is less prevalent

[silk thicket]

Yeah but there haven’t been many of them at all recently, but there’s plenty of afk bots. And the afking is the only difference between lms and bh

So I’m assuming they struggle to detect afk bots

Bcos terminator bh bots would be easy and kinda cringe

[tacit pendant]

Yeah its probably super hard cuz real ironmen do actually afk lms

[silk thicket]

Ye but when they get into a fight they’re doing dmg at least

If u get into a fight with afk bot they just auto retaliate

[tacit pendant]

For sure

I just like was talking on detection

[silk thicket]

#1486729469233467572 message
I did a bit of a write up here but if we consider that they’re aware op bh scripts will be made that implies the issue is afk detection since it’s the only diff

If it is then why not target the afking directly

[tacit pendant]

Ill try to read that in a sec. I think lms, emirs (if fixed), bh, and soul wars should throw losers a bone to make it worth their while. Idk how to make a point system that isnt ass

Yeah good write up. Irons wont have the patience for 72hour queued points. Maybe thats only for first cash in ever idk?

[silk thicket]

Ye true, was just some suggestions, but basically I think it’s incredibly obvious bh scripts will b made so why do they wanna go ahead with it anyway? Only reason I can think of is afk bots are the problem

Bcos bh scripts will be so harmful

So surely it’s a huge problem

[slate badger]

Don’t soul wars, LMS, and emirs already give you reward points even on a loss?

[tacit pendant]

Yes

Well not lms

[slate badger]

LMS can still give you points if you don’t win, you just need to progress at least some

(Top x players or points per kill)

[tacit pendant]

Just not if lose your first fight

[slate badger]

Yeah but that’s very little time invested

If you gave 1 point for instant loss that could be its own meta to just unequip everything and die fast

[tacit pendant]

If the botting problem was solved better than it is, id be fine with a point should you hit x amount of damage in lms

[blissful topaz]

The way to solve botting would such drastic matters that even real players would quit. Battlefield 6 requires players to change their BIOS boot settings so their anti-cheat can detect cheaters and there still is cheaters but not too much. If that was introduced to osrs, imagine the falador riots

[tacit pendant]

Underestimate how addicted we are, nobody quitting

Drastic measures like banning gold buyers and staffing enough customer service to actually manually review people screeching into the void

[true talon]

Botting is a complex topic, because its not easy to control. esp as technology advances. the point is that the people fighting botting has a lot less on the line than the people trying to bot, majority of people botting have created livelyhoods and jobs around it.

while jagex doesnt really gain much from removing bots.

[meager flame]

tbf the number of us that actually wouldn't quit if the game got on our nerves enough probably aren't a huge number

although that bios thing specifically would actually carve out a nice chunk of osrs players

[true talon]

Bots pissed me off, but i didnt quit, i instead made an ironman were botting has no impact on me.

[meager flame]

game runs on anything but those bios settings do not exist on just anything

would probably immediately have made a ton of players incapable of playing even if they wanted to lol

basically older hardware doesn't support tpm in the first place so you cant turn it on lol

[true talon]

I freaking hate vangaurds with good gear....

[tacit pendant]

The bios thing for bf was actually dumb

[meager flame]

i mean it makes sense for almost any pc that can run that game to begin with that you'd be happy to be playing on

but the part where a whole bunch of people had to take a second to learn to enable some stuff was dangerous just because you know many people will pull up and just like

start doing random shit lol

[odd stump]

mood

[analog crow]

Needing players to manually fiddle with their BIOS settings is obviously too much but I don't think kernel level anti cheat would put a noticeable dent in the player count, seeing as pretty much every single popular online game uses it nowadays.

[chrome lantern]

I don't even know what people mean when they talk about bios relating to anti-cheat

[meager flame]

tpm 2.0

[analog crow]

I just read the chat but understood it as players had to change their BIOS settings manually to play Battlefield

[meager flame]

secure boot as well

basically big tldr is that its hardware on mostly modern motherboards that can be used to secure data and prevent things like ransomware

[analog crow]

How does that relate to anti-cheat?

[meager flame]

basically it can create a secure set of data about your exact hardware so they can detect changes and just ban you on a hardware level even or prevent you from running changes during boot because the anticheat is protected

like if jagex were to integrate some sort of anticheat with tpm 2.0 and require it for playing the game

they could identify that you cheated with your pc and just ban that pc and any account that ever tries to use it

[analog crow]

Damn

[meager flame]

like it obviously doesn't just completely prevent cheating but it does make it harder

[analog crow]

Can you circumvent this by using a virtual machine?

[meager flame]

im not sure actually i haven't ever tried to figure out how people try and avoid those anticheat systems

[analog crow]

Fair enough.

[meager flame]

i know its possible but idk exactly what they do

[analog crow]

I'm sure the people implementing this stuff have thought about this

[meager flame]

like i know you could spoof hardware ids or do a bunch of stuff if you were to directly target memory with external hardware while you play

but idk it raises the bar on just cheating in those games by a lot

it starts getting closer to how someone would hack their own gaming consoles

[analog crow]

It would probably make it much harder to run su**de bots

[meager flame]

ya it would likely hurt the more low tech bot farms

at least for awhile

honestly the biggest problem for anyone that wants to make really good anticheat built right in is that its incredibly invasive and people dont like that

[analog crow]

I found this list of games with kernel level anti-cheat, and it includes like every popular game.
https://levvvel.com/games-with-kernel-level-anti-cheat-software/

While it doesn't feel good, I think it's probably inevitable if Jagex ever wants to seriously get a grip on botting.

But I know they've stated an intention not to do this.

[meager flame]

im pretty sure they actually talked about it at some point and basically presented as them not wanting to invade your privacy

[analog crow]

yeah

[meager flame]

but yeah its more or less a never ending battle and they kind of just stopped running part of the race lol

[analog crow]

Yeah so we're gonna be stuck in the state where they ban millions of bots and delete trillions of gp every year

Which don't get me wrong they are doing a great job, but the bots still affect the game while they are active.

[meager flame]

i think their antibot stuff is probably going to have to explore more in game changes that make sense

stuff like how they're gonna adjust lms is like years late

they need to catch on to that kind of thing and react immediately

and hopefully just have better game design so people can't just spawn in and kind of just do something with little to no reqs for enough profit that its worth creating huge farms

like lms basically has a time delay but thats really easy for the farms to setup

[analog crow]

I have to say the worst thing about the rev caves game jam proposal was the attitude of "yeah bots will be there, we'll ban them eventually so please go pk them in the mean time"

[meager flame]

yeah stuff like that is what makes me think the jmods run the bot farms lmao

[analog crow]

It basically legitimizes wildy clans running their own bot farms and laundering the gp by pking 🥴

[scarlet dawn]

hardware ban would be a godsend

[tender harness]

Fuck kernel level anything for gaming

Not a solution nor is it the best path forward to solve botting

[languid ravine]

cant wait to get falsely hardware id banned

[round lintel]

Since I started

but im more like half way

[full birch]

not to beat a dead horse but in regards to the kernel level anti cheat discussion all it does is move the fencepost

people who want to cheat will cheat

even the most invasive kernel anti cheat cant stop cheaters

ahem vanguard

thats why i prefer alternative solutions to botting

HWID bans are one of many solutions but not without its own drawbacks

but that would be a nightmare to properly maintain and if you get banned wrongly you cant play on any of your other accs till you go through the infamous appeal process

the bots are only going to get smarter and new botting methods including AI or the rumored colour botting which ive heard about makes it even harder for jagex

but there are only so many ways for these farms to pass money to the players

thats why improving detections for gold laundered to other players who bought said gold should be a priority

at least imo

[analog crow]

istg I'll get 99 slayer before I have enough plates to upgrade my sloop's keel.

[round lintel]

I started off task

and yeah pl8 good on task

but nails are more useful

[analog crow]

yeah for sure

[round lintel]

to be honest you only need one dragon keel and is your combat boat

[analog crow]

yeah thank god for that 😆

[round lintel]

with bmr probably best to stack food

[slow acorn]

hey fellas, I was wondering, with the new untradables system for pvp, does the ectoplasmator now fall under the category of "always kept on death"? was wondering whether or not it would be worth grinding for it for my future rev runs

[ember token]

well it's untradeable yeah

and it's not one of the items that can currently be locked

[ruby loom]

4 days later formatting is still goofed on news post

increase my membs price again please

[meager flame]

lol i dont really think a typo in a news post has anything to do with the guys that increased prices

[blissful topaz]

pst ^

[chrome lantern]

Can they like

Put a shortcut to the Reveals section at the top of this Leagues post

[torpid delta]

if you mean the big league blogpost, there is

[chrome lantern]

?

I see no such link

[torpid delta]

might be a browser issue

it's this weird little top bar thing that scrolls with the page

[chrome lantern]

It appears to only show up if I scroll down

[torpid delta]

it's there for me on first page load, disappears if you scroll up

[chrome lantern]

Interesting

[torpid delta]

it jumpscared me 'cause i don't know i've ever seen them do this for a blogpost before

[chrome lantern]

Maybe I just didn't notice it, then when I went to look for it it went away because I scrolled to the top looking for it

[torpid delta]

perhaps the ancient website spaghetti got unraveled a little bit

[blissful topaz]

@brisk hill

[chrome lantern]

It's interesting to me that there have been no more updates to the FAQ seciton. I guess we just finished the weekend but I'm sure there are some questions that will be answer in following reveals and some questions that they probably won't answer

[sacred skiff]

It would also be nice if we could just read a changelog for the blog, rather than having to watch a video or spot the difference on the relics for each new reveal

[meager flame]

tbh

i dont want to do them dirty like this but honestly that whole blog should just be a single discord link to the league discord

lol that discord does a wayyyy better job

[chrome lantern]

cba to interact with that discord

I went in there once but I don't really care for it

[meager flame]

i mean like a way better job because the jmods actually reply to questions occasionally in there and actually provide like

explanations for how stuff works or how the math handles stuff when its ambiguous

[chrome lantern]

I'll be real

I don't think Jmods should be replying official information in other discords without also publishing it in a blog or in this official discord

[meager flame]

i mean i kind of agree but

that basically is the official channel when it comes to leagues

[chrome lantern]

"Bascially" meaning that it's not the official channel

[meager flame]

which is kinda nuts but

it is what it is

yeah its a discord ran by players but they just actually put the effort in there

i sorta get it because its like the hub of all of the tools and info that a lot of people use for leagues

so they're reaching everyone that wants to know in depth how stuff works for planning in advance

[tacit wharf]

reveals/teasers top right

[acoustic dome]

Will they fix the clickbox at mlm with this update?

[nocturne solstice]

You mean the scheduled weekly server maintenance not the game update which is tomorrow?

[acoustic dome]

Oh true, thought it was wednesday will they fiks it tomorrow then?

[whole hull]

Is the update going to take 6 hours? just curious

[whole hull]

thanks

[haughty spruce]

Didn’t game updates used to happen without downtime a while ago?

[split mountain]

Its not a game update, its server maintnance

[nocturne solstice]

They still do, game updates are tomorrow.

[haughty spruce]

Ok thx

[nocturne rock]

Hi

Someone suggested this on osrs

“Adjust the location of the portal at the law altar so that its distance from the altar better matches other runecraft altars, likely 6-10 tile range. Additionally, the monks of entrana have no say over separate planes of existence, so they shouldn’t prevent you from bringing weapons/ armour to the law altar- no more stocking up on bronze pickaxes to drop every time you run through the “abyss”

[ashen yarrow]

Make all runecrafting altars into a maze like chaos altar

[nocturne solstice]

Are you sure thats a suggestion and not just a copy paste of what was in the news blog verbatim?

[nocturne rock]

Doing this will be a huge game changer and would mess with the gamemode since you can’t bring items to entrana you would need to rework everything which is not “old school way”

[restive siren]

what

[nocturne solstice]

The only rework id imagine necessary is you instantly get teleported off Entrana if you leave the altar or something.

[restive siren]

it specifically says just says law altar through the abyss

they wont let you bring shit to entrana

[nocturne rock]

I thought the point of the game was to keep it old school but I see all these new people suggesting to make it easy mode

[nocturne solstice]

No the point of the game is further develop the game based on the 2007 version.

We've gotten a lot of updates that are very un "old school" that have been popular. GE comes to mind, varlamore was pretty well received too.

[nocturne rock]

For skillers bringing items to entrana would be harsh since they have to kill zombie for an bronze axe we should leave it how it is

[ashen yarrow]

remove everything after zulrah and zulrah itself to keep it same as 2007

[restive siren]

brother they will not let you bring things to entrana

you are misunderstanding the post

its just to remove annoyance from abyss law rune crafting

[languid ravine]

annoyance is epic

i demand the game be more annoying

[storm sandal]

remember the janky stronghold slayer cave they released in 2015 because they thought the game wouldn't last 2 years

[nocturne solstice]

i just dont make law runes

[languid ravine]

new business opportunity selling bronze picks

[ashen yarrow]

skiller ironman have hard time obtaining bronze axe in entrana, normal accounts can bypass it with trade. but they can still make monks check your items when trying to exit law altar into entrana

[gaunt minnow]

Who cares about skiller ironmen and why are jagex wasting dev time even thinking about them

[nocturne rock]

How the monks are going to have no say so about you bringing weapons and armour with you to entrana

[languid ravine]

ironman skiller is pretty ironic

[nocturne rock]

We don’t want to upset those monks

[nocturne solstice]

Well the blog specifically says no say about you bringing weapons and armor to the law altar, not Entrana.

[nocturne rock]

We won’t like them when they turn angry 😠

Lol

[nocturne solstice]

uhh ok

[silk thicket]

Altar isn’t in entrana tho u legit take a portal to teleport back to entrana

[languid ravine]

yea why cant u just kill the monks

unplayable

[nocturne rock]

Because once you take portal to entrana you can’t have weapons

Because in that case it would need some major rework quest related you know

Where is a game mod at?

[silk thicket]

Yeah but you’ll just be blocked from using the portal if u have weapons?

Nothing changes except abyss rc is less annoying

[nocturne rock]

Quest would need rework then

I don’t think jagex wants to do all that

[silk thicket]

Which quest

[nocturne rock]

Mess with an old quest

You see I catch everything friend

Lost city

[nocturne solstice]

I dont think english is their first language since we already went through this a few times now.

[nocturne rock]

That’s player mod not game

Onfuscated

[silk thicket]

It doesn’t change lost city bcos u won’t be able to use the portal at the altar to go to entrana if u have weapons

So the entire quest is the same

U can’t access entrana with weapons still

Hope that helps

[nocturne rock]

You know it defeats the purpose of killing the zombie for a bronze axe in that quest

[restive siren]

you really refuse to understand that you still cant bring weapons to entrana dont you

[nocturne rock]

I got it down willis

[keen moat]

So was todays update basically just a worlds offline and nothing added? And the news post is all its going to be a new poll? And the unpolled stuff to come shortly after poll ends? Or did something actually go live?

[ember token]

there was no update

today is tuesday

updates are on wednesdays

[keen moat]

Ah i saw a worlds offline post this morning musta started earlier in the feed instead of current post

[south void]

Tuesday's are for maintenance, Wednesday's are for "updates".

[restive storm]

however yes i would expect tomorrows update to be nothing as well, maybe a few trees moved a couple tiles, or some quest dialog changes... so wouldnt get your hopes up lol

[ember token]

did you guys notice in an update last month they sneakily changed some locations

like they replaced the row of bushes behind the clock tower with more fences

[chrome lantern]

I did not and I am disappointed

[ember token]

or in the Temple of Ikov dungeon, they removed the old KBD lair

[chrome lantern]

(At myself for not noticing)

[chrome lantern]

Ok that one I wouldn’t have seen

[chrome lantern]

Yeah I just mean I had no reason to go in there in recent history

If I saw it, I would see it xd hard to miss

[jagged marsh]

They did this a while ago, I think around Defender of Varrock

[ember token]

nope, was 6 weeks ago

[jagged marsh]

Oh weird

That's more recent

[ember token]

you can see the before and after on osrs.world

prior to feb 11 it's still there

someone make a reddit post about how this was unpolled to get the redditors riled up

[ashen yarrow]

tomorrow's update is water eoc v2

[restive storm]

wouldnt it be v3 at this point?

[chrome lantern]

Nah last changes were just project rebalance

:p

[tacit pendant]

Whatever we get you better be happy with, because after that its leagues updates until atleast late may

[meager flame]

i mean some of it they probably should get annoyed about

most of us just use a plugin that hides unrelated areas so thats kinda whatever

thats the kind of stuff they should've been working on since they got us out of the fixed client and we got additional rendering distance

actual geometry changes though they probably shouldn't be doing that

[still sundial]

one thing I noticed is that the minecart tracks in Keldagrim are more red/orange colored than they used to be
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/images/thumb/Using_mine_cart.gif/300px-Using_mine_cart.gif?e5a62

[meager flame]

i cant get too mad at jagex wanting to change things though

all i've seen for the past month is pnm and i personally destroyed everything their artists ever dreamed of in that room lmao

just to make everything more visible

[still sundial]

also reminds me of that time we had a Hide & Seek event and we discovered that some random piece of furniture was sneakily changed in some random upstairs room, I think in one of the Burthorpe houses. cause the pictures for the hide & seek were taken a bit in advance

[chrome lantern]

I explicitly don't hide unrelated areas because it makes the game feel way more enjoyable to me seeing all those

[true talon]

I wish we had a tool belt/pouch that holds stuff like chisel,tinderbox,axe,pick all in 1 slot

[meager flame]

this is one of those things we'll never get because jagex ruined it for everyone already

[tacit pendant]

The shadow pools could have just been colored better. But the team is slowly getting better at visual clarity.

[meager flame]

it was completely fine back in the day but everyone gonna associate it with one of the worst times in rs history shortly after

[tacit wharf]

keep that crap outta me game

[meager flame]

^ see

[tacit pendant]

Im actually so far the opposite its crazy

Give me content that is asking for full woodcutting and mining switches

[meager flame]

we'd actually still bring our outfits and everything these days

its basically people scared of the boogey man like

what if we could right click chisel a gem without going to the bank first

game ruined

[tacit pendant]

Zalcano but for multiskilling and its hard

[meager flame]

its just one of those kinda tragic casualties of what people would associate with rs3

[tacit pendant]

Woodcutting fit could be bis at muttadile room if jagex had balls

[meager flame]

but its actually a bit older than that

[tacit pendant]

True

[ember token]

in this case i don’t think it could be hidden since its right there in the same chunk, so the only way to hide it is to remove it

[meager flame]

oh no i meant more like

swapping bushes to fences

just hiding stuff you cant get to anyways i think is good

since you weren't supposed to see that stuff anyways

[ember token]

gotcha

[meager flame]

it just got developed before people could see anything

[blissful topaz]

Release the left click bone bury ground object option which was introduced in the new players blog released by Jagex.

[obsidian venture]

[tacit pendant]

It would save me one tick flexing my mvp on the nex team

[austere mulch]

Reminder that it’s been 2 years and 11* days since release and the quiver still doesn’t work as polled/blogged

"But what good is a quiver that doesn't hold any arrows?" we hear you ask. Great question, and you're right: a quiver that doesn't hold any ammunition is no quiver at all. With that in mind, we'd like to give Dizana's Quiver the ability to hold at least 2 types of ammo (exact number TBD) and automatically select which one suits your current weapon. If you pop Dragon arrows and Ruby dragon bolts (e) in your quiver, a Twisted bow would default to using those arrows while a Zaryte crossbow would default to bolts. This frees up your ammo slot for a blessing or Ghommal's lucky penny and might even free up inventory slots in cases where you're bringing a crossbow switch, handy!

[meager flame]

ya thats one of those situations where im pretty sure jagex knows exactly what they did and that we didnt vote for it lol

they'd just refer you to the (exact number TBD) part

[austere mulch]

even the TBD part doesn't hold because thats in reference to the + of 2+, of which the quiver doesnt even old 2 to begin with 💀

its a mess

[tacit pendant]

I feel like this is a case of shit wording on the proposal, the last sentence in particular is actually how it works currently

A simple line of "increase of 1 from normal" would have made this blog accurate to what we got

[austere mulch]

even in their tldr they say
"TLDR:

Dizana's quiver will be able to store 2+ ammo types (arrows/bolts) while equipped in the cape slot."

so there's three instances of them specifying that the quiver itself will hold 2 (or more) ammo types. Not one in your quiver and one in your ammo slot, which even with the ambiguity of the last sentence above, they were gracious enough to specify that they are aware of the difference

Also, this entire last section is describing having an ammo slot free for penny while having bolts+arrows in quiver

" If you pop Dragon arrows and Ruby dragon bolts (e) in your quiver, a Twisted bow would default to using those arrows while a Zaryte crossbow would default to bolts. This frees up your ammo slot for a blessing or Ghommal's lucky penny and might even free up inventory slots in cases where you're bringing a crossbow switch, handy!"

because the "This frees up" is in response to the sentece before it

[tacit pendant]

Yeah they didnt do a good job with that blog lol, which is like kinda important for what will be our bis ranged cape until at least 2030

[minor whale]

They pretty obviously polled it before working on it then realized what they polled wasn't possible or feasible

Very likely just couldn't get things to work correctly like "what if they put 2 bolt types into quiver at once" or they thought in testing it was too strong

[tacit pendant]

Its quite good as is, not saying that makes it ok, but i doubt they change it

[minor whale]

Quiver is very very very good

[sacred oracle]

It would have been nice if they ever acknowledged or explained it, which I don't think they did

That's the part that offends me

[austere mulch]

this part yeah

[minor whale]

Yeah they do just stay quiet far too often

I don't mind them not delivering if they told us why they didn't deliver or if they repolled when they realized it couldn't be done

[sacred oracle]

The really weird part is J-Mods read this channel, and they will see this comment, and still there probably won't be an explanation.

[austere mulch]

would just like for it to be ackowledged. A simple "We thought we could do this, but couldn't" is perfectly valid

[sacred oracle]

The random radio silence causes mistrust and confusion.

[tacit pendant]

Even "3 ammos at once is too strong" is like valid

[austere mulch]

iirc when they did the steam on it, they confirmed itd be ammo types

[tacit pendant]

It would matter more if we actually used any other bolts besides ruby

[austere mulch]

eg. bolts/arrows/tar

not multiples of the same type

[tacit pendant]

And there are no ammo slot blessings or coins that compete with zcb spec lol

Or a more fair comparison a single inventory slot in general

[austere mulch]

ye all it would rly do is open people up to using penny/blessings where they currently dont bc its inconvenient

only reason it was top of mind for me is because I saw another proposal for a blessing that would basically be a non-negotiable item to have, and everytime i see something like that I'm just like "please no, not until quiver is fixed/addressed"

[tacit pendant]

I saw that reddit post, i like more than half the suggestions which is pretty good

Im still not sure that i understand or agree with the obsession to upgradescape inquisitor. It really doesnt seem like an exciting reward space right now.

[hard axle]

penny is literally minor as fuck

I hate that they won't even consider buffing blessings for melee

[tacit pendant]

Blood fury blessing when

[austere mulch]

something something 'we cant give GM meaningful rewards'

At least the unlimited zuk / jad task is great now

[hard axle]

They might as well just make GM the pet hunter bonanza lmao

[hard axle]

Can't even give Blorva a 1% effective life steal passive

Radiant a 5% demonbane bonus

smh

[tacit pendant]

Blorva with life steal might finally see use over oathplate

[hard axle]

yup

[meager flame]

tbf torva lifesteal would signal the end for all melee armor ever

[austere mulch]

Ehh depends

Even with lifesteal, you’d still take oath for tob for example

It’d maybe be marginally helpful for kank trio maidens where the dps roles get Rambo’d or decide to do some swimming

Or casual solos, but even then it can grief you at verzik if you’re looking to orb the green ball

[meager flame]

yeah you'd do that on the dps spreadsheet for sure but 99.99% of the people playing this game wouldn't care and would go lifesteal lol

lifesteal is just dangerous

because it raises the skill floor

its why people went so crazy with blood fury until rancour had to just really gap it to get them to stop

i almost think its probably like

just not a good idea in osrs

jagex tries to make upgrades as small as they can so they can conserve reward space etc but

its really hard to justify going for an amount of dps that you cant feel any practical difference with instead of something that actually makes the game easier

so they probably will just fuck up the balance there all the time

[kind surge]

lifesteal would be stupid

[meager flame]

and we've already seen what happens to them with it

they basically have to give you enough lifesteal so that you actually feel like its helping you or people ignore it

[hard axle]

it depends on what the percentage is, 1% total would be like 1/6 of blood fury and the accuracy of oathplate would still overshine it

old blood fury was like 2% and it was dead

hence why i dont think it'll be an issue

low proc chance with high return also is weaker than high proc chance with low heal (ie. sang vs bf)

[meager flame]

yeah but if it was 1/6 it would happen just like blood fury

they would buff it because people would laugh at them

[tacit pendant]

Better question. How much life steal does sang need for people to use it over ayak

[meager flame]

im pretty sure sang just needs jesus if we want to see that

since im sure they'd never give you the lifesteal number to make that happen lol

[hard axle]

rn its 8.33% effective healing

probably 20% effective healing and that buff needs to be from activation, not healing amount

that's less healing percentage than BB, but more healing overall

[tacit pendant]

Blood barrage is crazy cuz its like also aoe

[hasty shard]

add blood barrage tablets fr

[tacit pendant]

Unhinged

[tough nacelle]

Gahhh I know it’s only 1% and basically irrelevant but it still feels a bit yucky

[kind surge]

blood barrage means you also lose out on thralls, double dc, and any other spell you might want to use on the other spellbooks

lifesteal on torva would be dumb because there is no downsides like that

you would lose some dps for specifically slash (which does include scythe, but we're gonna be getting a crush mega)

[austere mulch]

Ye to be clear, I’m not saying it’d be a good idea in the slightest 😂 that’s about as slippery a slope you can get in terms of balancing nightmares

Just that there are places where you already have excess hp as a resource, and therefore the life steal won’t provide value (assuming it also has cost/charges associated with it). Which is a surprisingly decent share of current content tbh

Now if we had like a 15 sec cooldown on veng, or group veng, we’d be in the lab with lift steal and off pray fun

[hard axle]

[tacit pendant]

A veng upgrade as the next spell upgrade scroll is all i ever want

[left wolf]

I am worried about tomorrows update day and it being April 1st

[meager flame]

should be used to it every update has been a joke for awhile

[tacit wharf]

wait till you learn to worry about real problems

[meager flame]

lmao

[carmine junco]

Imagine logging in tomorrow and you spawn in tutorial island like a new character

[tacit wharf]

+400 days of playtime added

[odd basalt]

this organized chaos thing? didn't they already do that with the second consecutive price increase?

[left wolf]

3rd price increase due to Hormuz Strait

[round lintel]

So, the Quiver is a weird item, if you charge it this will reflect only the percentage after using the splinters for example you add 15k splinters it would only say 10% charged until it has used all 15k splinters, but if you use try to remove the splinters from the quiver you lose your % worked towards blessing the quiver

I dont know if its an oversight or intended (intended doesnt make any sense)

[full birch]

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Dizana's_quiver#Upgrading listed as a bug on wiki

that being said if it was intentional it should at least come with a warning saying it will reset progress

you also lose partial charging on a wilderness death too

imo the charges in the quiver shouldnt be lost on a pvp death also but the ammo makes sense

esp if the item is locked

[hard axle]

Yes, group-venge please

[minor whale]

Double Venge to counteract how good double DC is

One cast 2 venges

I'd love for lunars to get some love

It's the only spell book with risk vs reward and it gets forgotten about

Thralls are 6 prayer points for 2 minutes of .6 dps which is already better than venge even if it cost 20 prayer points

[tacit pendant]

Veng has more pvp implications but group veng seems like a decent fit

Its not like veng tanks are good in multi at all. Group venge on range role at tob would go hard

[hasty shard]

can they make veng not wipe in poh

wildy ruining everything fr

[brisk hill]

it could b fun for pvp

[full birch]

if thralls got a ca buff maybe veng could get a cooldown adjustment with higher tier ca's as well?

but without applying to pvp ig because that would make people mad

[gaunt minnow]

Yeah surely let’s not only make the already most popular reward in the game (gm CAs) even more appealing but also buff one of the best and most used spells in the game at the same time

Creating literally 0 change to anyting other than pure power creep

What a great suggestion

[minor whale]

I can't tell if or just

The most popular reward in game is gm CAs?

[tacit pendant]

The thrall combat achievement buff doesnt functionally change thralls dps. CAs are a terrible place to actually buff venge, but there was a lot of anger in that response

[minor whale]

He's just catastrophizing about something while being wrong or intentionally obtuse

GM CAs are less than 1/200th of the playerbase

Of everyone who has at least 1 ca, less than .5% have completed the least frequently completed gm CA

So it's even less than that who are GMs

[tacit pendant]

Standard spell book would need so many buffs to be useful its actually insane to think about

[full birch]

relax bro it was a pitch of the moment i didnt even open a suggestion for it

that being said buffs to existing spells arent necessarily a bad thing and there are ways to introduce them

look at death charge for example

[true talon]

Someone at jagex help my boy, he got his 9th gem

[craggy radish]

I'll take 1. 9 is crazy tho

And 34m slayer only

[buoyant hollow]

Anyone know when the trouver rework is gonna come into the game?

[tacit wharf]

between now and sometime later

[true talon]

He got 99 slayer while grinding the heart doing anya skipping only.

he started like 97 slayer i think, now hes 34m exp lol

Hes done nothing but araxytes and smoke devils + the anya skips for the past 6 months

[craggy radish]

damn. i did konar pretty much all the way to 59m skipping non superior tasks. took til then to get first heart, no gems. then a 2nd heart at 60m. now on the gem grind

hope i dont end up with 9 hearts (or do i)

[round lintel]

If i didnt drop my heart on my iron i would have just been done at 17M Slayer except for Hydra leather

But I dropped everything now I need to get back Primordials, Heart (120 Superiors since I started going for it, 1 Gem several staffs) and still Hydra leather

Prims at 800

since then I got only pet an Eternal and peg crystal and 1 jar

Hydra a weird one

3 claws is what I have on my main almost 6k kc

xD

Slayer also weird no leaf battleaxe

for all id be fine if ancient brews wouldnt be such a pain to make as they are, heart sooo rare as it is, like every other skill has an easy way to boost except magic

magic potion being +4 while range pot is +13 or super combat +19

to me Magic pot should get you to 107 magic with option to divine, Ancient brew to 112 like saturated heart but is a potion and lowers your stats, Regular heart to 112 but not divine and saturated heart keeping it 112 divine or 114 divine.

Nihil shards are not that common to get anyways

[gaunt minnow]

Popular was a bad word I meant aspirational, it’s not like people aren’t bothered about gm

Everyone wants that shit

[gaunt minnow]

Buffs to the strongest spells in the game are

Next let’s buff thralls to 3-6 dps guaranteed

[gaunt minnow]

Deaths charge was comparatively weak people wouldn’t bother bringing it most places

Now it has functional value

[gaunt minnow]

Where’s the anger 🤣

Kids these days can’t take someone being direct

And I always see things suggested that need to be changed at the most popular content in the game which makes no sense to me, people already do it and engage with it so why does it need a buff

When there’s so much dead content already

[frozen lion]

good

[dry pond]

Still needs 10k charges

[frozen lion]

But can staff stop spamming about the leagues? Like god damn, this is too much

More news about leagues than main game

[sinful patrol]

is the update on and off or do we have downtime?

[compact flicker]

Don't think I saw mentions of downtime

[ember token]

same downtime as always for weekly updates

[frozen lion]

So now using range prayer will also boost dmg from cannon?

[placid shuttle]

pls dont remove last destination option for from fairy rings, its literally my left click option and 90% of my use of fairy rings

you set the ring for the activity you are doing, then just left click (currently doing this for yama)

[ember token]

how does the update stop you from doing that

[ember token]

and?

[compact flicker]

The picture implies it ngl

[placid shuttle]

?

[compact flicker]

But maybe they never used the ring in that picture, so it doesn't show yet

[dry pond]

left click last destination was core for like karambwans etc

[dry pond]

I'm sure QA checked it out

[ember token]

what's stopping you from setting the yama fairy ring to your favorites, and setting that to the left click option?

[compact flicker]

Not a killer if it works that way, but last destination was indeed handy even if we can favorite

What I'd like the most is we have location names instead of codes in the menu there

[placid shuttle]

Can you set favorite as left click? if so which one does it use? even if you can its still more steps

This update was specifically for ring qol, so thats a step backwards imo

[ember token]

why wouldnt you be able to? it's a menu option

this is what menu entry swapper does

swaps menu options

[placid shuttle]

So its the same as last destination?

[ember token]

you can do the exact same thing you were already doing with no extra clicks or effort

[placid shuttle]

I guess we'll see after update, I tihnk you're wrong though. Either way its worse way to interact

I might not want to always set my last destination as as fave

[ember token]

idk i guess it's technically possible they implemented some entirely new interface completely separate from how everything else in the game works to make it so you cant menu entry swap fairy rings

[ember token]

but as seen in the picture you posted, it's a menu with a submenu, which already exists in other places and you can use menu entry swapper perfectly fine with

ex: max cape

[placid shuttle]

annoying to have to set favuroites everytime i do something, but hey, maybe its ok

but feels strange

[carmine cosmos]

how long will downtime be

[compact flicker]

Not with diary cape on mobile

[carmine cosmos]

so

[compact flicker]

Still sad about that

[ember token]

same as always

[carmine cosmos]

so instant?

[ember token]

yup

[placid shuttle]

saved 🎉

[ember token]

there you go

[placid shuttle]

Thought it was weird. glad its not gone

[compact flicker]

Hype

I was right they just didn't tp yet

[ember token]

I was also doubting it would be removed because it's not like there wasn't room for it with the changes

[placid shuttle]

my thoughts exactly. which why i was confused by this

[ashen yarrow]

cannot wait to hit 300+ with dragon cannon if they forgot to not include player ranged str bonus from javelins and bowfa on cannon

[untold dirge]

how long is downtime?

[ember token]

^

[ashen yarrow]

should be no downtime, unless something breaks

[dry pond]

Oh it will

The question is what

[worthy hazel]

Idk how to describe it but the login screen looks different

[ashen yarrow]

im teshing cannon maxhits first

[dry pond]

login screen looks weird

like the scaling is off?

[hexed pollen]

yeah i see it too

[ashen yarrow]

rl plugins not working i guess

[dry pond]

plugins are working