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lean crag
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And if you play WoW classic which is better than retail you don't even need to buy the expansions

meager flame
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ya

wet smelt
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wow is the same monthly price and you can use it with 60 characters on one sub

meager flame
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blizzard just did a way better job with retail wow of monetizing their game with cosmetics and so on

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without making the game look too stupid

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jagex ruined rs3 by just making clown suits etc

lean crag
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I dont get why we're defending nearly doubling the yearly sub price in less than 2 years lol

meager flame
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idk what jagex's problem is with mtx honestly

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like

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they cant figure out how to make something tasteful to sell to people

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if they try it they make crazy flashing clown suits and let you buy the type of progression that matters in their game

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which makes the game worse

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where when blizzard does it they figure out how to charge you for things that don't actually directly degrade the game

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honestly jagex just has a huge skill issue apparently

wet smelt
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they should leave the subscription price the same but have a sub price that makes your name orange for 3x the cost

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instead im here paying more to play the same game while they ignore that at least 2/3s of the player base is lgbt

meager flame
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i still think its like too dumb to not be real funny that they sent me an email confirming that in their eyes

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they were reducing the value of my 12 month membership and exploring ways to add value to it

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not even a full 3 weeks before today

lean crag
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Jagex: Look at all this good will we just gained from the player base by listening and removing MTX
Also Jagex:
What do we do with this goodwill?

restive storm
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But I play my alt on wow for free, if I want to do that on osrs it’s basically another $180 so WoW is literally cheaper at this point even if I wanted to buy expansions, which I don’t do

hard axle
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People pay Nitro for this reason

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Just let them have custom name tags or shit

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People trying to blame RS3's removal of MTX are dumb given that it was already on the decline

hard axle
meager flame
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oh yeah i was too until i wasn't

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they'll do the same to you eventually

hard axle
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price increase is whatever, just the fact they refuse to even play on encourage additional subscriptions with discount pricing

meager flame
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lmao they just woke up one day and said if you have a grandfathered rate but you were on 12 month they weren't doing that anymore

hard axle
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buy 100 bonds, get 10 free

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buy 2 memberships, get 1 free

meager flame
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yeah thats the part that blows my mind

hard axle
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would probably get more money than price increases

meager flame
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they dont even try to play the game

wet smelt
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20 bonds is 3% discount, you dont like your 3 dollars?

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"fucking greedy ass"

hard axle
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im gonna shove my fist up the 3% discount HmmPepe

meager flame
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like i know for a fact that they would make more money from me by offering me a second character slot for example

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but instead they choose to only make a few extra $ and piss people off

hard axle
meager flame
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its crazy too because like theres no way the burden of us having more than one character that we might log into isn't worth the additional money

mental notch
meager flame
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all it requires is for jagex to invest in changing how memberships are applied to characters

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maybe that's the issue

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jagex actually would have to do anything

hard axle
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That actually hurts our interests to say that bcaFunnyLaugh

meager flame
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sort of but also idk like

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i dont think jagex ultimately wants to compare to wow on the same price point because they're gonna lose

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wow basically does exactly what osrs does when you compare wow and classic wow on the same sub with their tokens compared to our bonds etc

lean crag
novel grail
meager flame
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except they let you have a million characters too and their support runs laps around jagex and always has

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like if jagex told me i could have like 60 characters but couldn't multilog them

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it would be different

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but jagex just says i can only have one

lean crag
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Now if Jagex lemme pay for custom in-game emoji guarthinking

meager flame
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a lot of people point out wow expansions having a cost too

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even jagex tries to slide that one in

lean crag
meager flame
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but they didn't mention how classic wow gives you the expansions for free

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idk blizzard just drops a master class on jagex's head when it comes to monetization

restive storm
meager flame
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they manage to ask people for more money and get it

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without actually ruining the integrity of their game

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because their mtx actually respects what matters in their actual game

lean crag
meager flame
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where jagex fails to do that

oblique mesa
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What, blizzard sells level boosts how is that a masterclass in monetization

meager flame
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thats a great example of how much smarter they are

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blizzard knows that leveling doesn't matter in their game

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so they can sell you a boost as a wow player

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where jagex tried to sell exp but leveling does matter in their game

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so game integrity drops

restive storm
meager flame
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in wow all that matters is your raiding performance and progression or your pvp rating

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hitting max level means nothing

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so they're smart enough to know what they should and should not offer

lean crag
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Jagex start selling combat max boosts

meager flame
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where jagex cant do that

lean crag
meager flame
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they always fumble

restive storm
meager flame
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like for example if blizzard was really stupid

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they would sell you max ilvl gear on their shop

oblique mesa
meager flame
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that would ruin the game

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but they're not stupid like that they wouldn't attack the fundamental progression that people play for

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that would be the equivalent of jagex selling exp in osrs

lean crag
lean crag
novel grail
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I truly believe the main issue with this price increase is the fact that you can only have one character per sub. They encourage all sorts of different gameplay modes, Ironman, HCIM, Pures, and expect people to pay a sub for each one of these characters, even if they aren't played simultanenously.

lean crag
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Alright boys, gals, they, and thems good luck with your day my lunch break is over back to the irl grind 💪

novel grail
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A couple of weeks ago I saw an ad from Jagex saying OSRS is the best second-monitor game while you wait for your league queue, and then they drop another price increase?

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Not to mention the lack of regional pricing. They are planning on release the LATAM servers, in Brazil the minimum wage is U$310/mo. 1 year of OSRS membership at U$131.88 is more than 1/3 of a monthly minimum wage in Brazil. Closer to 1/2 once you consider sales tax and credit card exchange fee.

meager flame
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i mean i think jagex just needs to identify where they can monetize the game without harming the game

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that's their main failure

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i think packages for multiple characters is like a really obvious direction they could go in

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they could also have offered some cosmetic stuff but im not sure if they can do that today

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because they did it so poorly in rs3 that like

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idk nobody would trust them

wind frost
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Did anyone else get the email saying your price will change, even when you've had a grandfathered sub for years?

novel grail
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Yup, they should look at Eve Online. Theoretically, Eve's sub is the most expensive I am aware of, though in practice it's way cheaper due to the frequent sales (this part I think it's bad, you don't wan't to keep players waiting for a sale to upgrade), but the thing that they do really well is understand how the game is played, and monetize in ways that fit really well the multibox (multiple characters online at the same time) playstyle

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Of course not everything can be ported from Eve Online, in particular the skill progression is like the exact opposite between the two games, but they really nail monetizing the multi-account playstyle with options for both those that want to play multiboxing, and those that want to play multiple characters within a single account. Plus, their paid currency (which would essentially translate to an OSRS bond) works exactly the way that Jagex wants Bonds to work: it serves as a way to effectively sell gold for players who want to buy it (thus killing black market gold sellers), and let's F2P players get subscriptions that can be a bit tough to get started, but once you have it for a month it's a lot easier to renew without grinding gold 24/7

wind frost
winged mantle
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Where is that player support that was promised? Where is the justification of increased subscription fees?

meager flame
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it doesn't exist

stark dome
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Maybe they shouldnt have removed mtx from rs3 after all

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If this is the cost

meager flame
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i just have no idea why they're so bad at playing this game with making money

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well thats the thing

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this isn't that cost

winged mantle
meager flame
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if you look at their earnings mtx was dropping yearly but they were seeing overall record profits anyways

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because of the subs going up

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so increasing the price of those subs is making them way more money than they lost from a dead rs3 and mtx

stark dome
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Didnt realize jagex posted their earnings

meager flame
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this is just north wanting to say he's doing a good job

winged mantle
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X recurring revenue and growing playerbase

cedar moth
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I'm really annoyed they first removed the 3mon package and now the 6. Locked into a ridiculous monthly or full year for ONE character is frustrating.

meager flame
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they're trying really hard to get you on the 1 month

stark dome
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Yeah thats fukt ngl

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I do the annual but the price increase on that is WILD

meager flame
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ya from 100 to 130 roughly

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and before that it was from 80 to 99

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that wasn't even 2 years ago

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i think that was the end of 2024

winged mantle
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When does it stop? Is this now the norm of a price increase each year?

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At what point does it actually price people out

meager flame
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the worst part is the 99 yearly sub was like

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actually about fair adjusted for inflation

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but this one cant really be explained

winged mantle
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This is just greed

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Maybe the stakeholders want to sell soon

meager flame
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usually they dont really make this call

inner pelican
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i'll be taking a hard look if they do it again

meager flame
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they put the jagex team at the end of the message but

inner pelican
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but i can live with this one

meager flame
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if jagex is structured even remotely normally

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this is all on north

winged mantle
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Yeah

meager flame
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im sure they were all thrilled to put the jagex team at the end of it

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instead of just putting the one specific guy lmao

winged mantle
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Yup

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Just pretty poor form

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Like i would understand if we actually got player suppport. They haven't added anything to justify this price increase.

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The money isn't going anywhere but to the top

meager flame
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im just surprised that they're so direct about it

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like

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they didnt try to come up with offering some kind of mostly easy to create package to give it a sense that its worth more

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to convince people to spend more

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they just flat out dropped a price hike on everyone lol

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i honestly dont think they can keep doing this without it getting harmful

winged mantle
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I really hope this isn't a trend

meager flame
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even this one might be going too far

winged mantle
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Agreed

fossil vine
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you hope what doesnt become a trend

inner pelican
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dropping this the day before the weekly update has me wondering if something big's coming

meager flame
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i mean its already a trend

winged mantle
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How do you afford 2 accounts even?

meager flame
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they've been raising prices like

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basically yearly

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for awhile

winged mantle
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The ramp of price hikes

meager flame
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but eventually they're gonna hit the ceiling and actually be 1:1 with games like wow

winged mantle
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When is it $40 a month

meager flame
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if they do this exact price increase again 2 years from now

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they'll cost more than wow

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and thats where i think they actually hit the wall of just

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people not thinking the price is worth it

fossil vine
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the world's getting screwed over by the current economic climate and jagex recently removed a ton of revenue from rs3 so it makes sense

winged mantle
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They said osrs wouldn't be affected

fossil vine
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they lied

winged mantle
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Ofc

meager flame
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tbf jagex/rs is insulated from most of the stuff going on in the world

cedar moth
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Shocking 😔

meager flame
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their game is very cheap to develop and its all online

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if they were being honest and we paid the same amount relative to their investment that we do for games like wow

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osrs would see a huge price drop

winged mantle
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Feels like a step towards killing player trust imo

tough nacelle
meager flame
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but they know that they can charge more so they're doing it

winged mantle
tough nacelle
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70% increase in basically 1 year

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For annual sub

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Yes technically it’s 1.6 years

meager flame
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yeah its crazy i kinda remember their summer sales where i think a year was like ~60 usd

tough nacelle
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We’re not talking 1-2 bucks

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Imagine games went from 60 to 100 overnight

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(Using US numbers)

meager flame
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most gamers fight back at least

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like how nintendo got stone walled on the 80$ games

tough nacelle
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Yeah and now they’re forced to sell at a discount LOL

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Because people aren’t paying that

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When’s jagex gonna hit that limit, it’s gotta be close

hasty shard
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$20 gba roms :clueless:

meager flame
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at least that game is good

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i wish jagex was that kind of greedy

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where they come up with something people want and charge you probably a little too much but at least you got the nice thing you'd been asking for

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instead we're out here just getting yearly sub increases lol

winged mantle
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Watch them reword the post and come out with a video

hoary galleon
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Paying same price as WOW would be fine if we could link a few accounts together. Atleast wow membership you can create many characters and play the same game

tough nacelle
hoary galleon
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If we want to play multiple accounts now we have to bond up or pay even more members fees

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So yeah it would be

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As a player that is. For jagex no

tough nacelle
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WOW is already cheaper tho

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Their annual subscription costs less than RuneScapes will

meager flame
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nah their yearly is like 156 a year

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its still more but i think if you asked everyone if they'd pay like 30$ a year extra to get everything else blizzard gives you

hasty shard
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how do we still not have multiple accounts for same membership in 2026

meager flame
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a lot of people would pay

hasty shard
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like its actually insane you have to pay for another membership if you die on a hc

meager flame
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yeah that's why i stopped playing hc

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jagex refuses to make it like consumer friendly

hasty shard
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i on the other hand, just havent died masorihmm

meager flame
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oh i always die eventually i play way too many hours to not get killed at some point

hasty shard
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i should 100% be dead tanking a jaguar warrior at my stats is criminal

meager flame
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my first hc ever which is my regular iron now died blackjacking on the craziest final destination type of shit ever

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i basically dced on a failed blackjack at low hp with an hp level low enough to allow myself to die without the ring of life going off

hasty shard
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i was only at colo to unlock the respawn so now im allowed to die scronglycoffee

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i will 100% die at doom because of my situation

meager flame
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imo though this is actually something they could offer to increase the value of membership for hcs

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because we have jagex accounts now

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it should package your account up in a loot key optionally and send it to a regular account tied to your jagex account when you die on your hc

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and reset the hc

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if you choose to do it that way

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so you can keep playing the same account as your hc

fresh forge
hard axle
willow rain
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I just canceled 3 accounts and will only be playing one now.
"Grandfathered in" at 10.99/mo so you can bet i probably won't pay for more than one account at a time now.
I'd say that's in the ballpark of a total of $30 LOST because of 2 recent(within a year) price increases.
If RS3 micro transactions are failing to produce income, change your approach to micro transactions. I don't know a single person that even plays RS3..
The concurrent numbers between OSRS and RS3 don't exactly pose good reason...

meager flame
fresh forge
hard axle
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They pulled this shit last time

meager flame
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the classes being able to do different things is kind of not that big of a deal

hard axle
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And when you resubbed, they charged you more

restive storm
meager flame
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the main reason you want multiple wow characters is so you can do all the same things you'd do on the one wow character

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like if you want to raid again that week or whatever

hard axle
restive storm
meager flame
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basically jagex totally should be offering us more than one single character

restive storm
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sometimes ii wanna play my priest, sometimes i wanna play my rogue

meager flame
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i dont think we should get 60 or whatever but lol

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one is kind of insane

restive storm
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i can freely do that

hard axle
willow rain
# hard axle Don’t do that if ur on annual <:erm:1272329220340715615>

I can gladly keep $30 more a month and choose an account to play for a few months at a time. They just limited my voluntary contribution to their company.
I have a company of my own, and not one customer wants to hear that, "in a failed attempt to service another customer, i'm forced to raise prices on you specifically"

meager flame
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like they should probably offer people 2 for the prices they're just throwing at us now

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and then maybe work on some packages for more

hard axle
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We’ve talked so much about this

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It legit works for Walmart, Costco, all big stores

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Jagex is just being dumb af

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Even if it was just bonds to simulate MTX

meager flame
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yeah literally everyone that really makes crazy money does stuff like this

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but jagex is just out here

hard axle
willow rain
hard axle
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mains only

restive storm
meager flame
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tbf those companies do not fail they run everything you can see

restive storm
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then they wonder why the wildy is dead

hard axle
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make wildy freely pkable so you don’t need multiple builds to be efficient on wildy MONKA

meager flame
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like if you tried to duck the walmart people you basically cant because it isn't even just walmart

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they're in everything everywhere

willow rain
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i worked for a fortune500..
this is not how business works

fresh forge
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Gudi’s Nuke just got mega nerfed lol

hard axle
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10% off deals

willow rain
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LOL

hard axle
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You think they’re giving away money?

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Ofc not

meager flame
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tbf to jagex though

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they dont have a loss leader

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which is probably a problem

hard axle
fresh forge
hard axle
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Existing content is the loss leader technically

willow rain
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i think they just denied $33 a month from one customer because they don't know how to market micro transactions

meager flame
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yeah but if they had one it would help them walk people into upgraded packages

willow rain
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same thing as giving money away

meager flame
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like they should probably have a lower priced membership alternative that existed just to convince you to bump up a tier

hard axle
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I mean, they’re not going MTX in a version of the game that they promised no MTX

fresh forge
hard axle
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Bonds are already pushing it for some

meager flame
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and that wouldn't even be a loss leader

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because running this game costs them almost nothing

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thats the funniest part about the price increases for this game specifically

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development and maintenance is basically free for jagex compared to ff or wow

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so they're just scooping insane profits

fresh forge
dense sundial
willow rain
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"business overheads"

meager flame
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this game is very cheap to operate

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the team is smaller the tools are outdated and they just put up with it

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the servers are lower performance

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etc

willow rain
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infrastructure is increasing... globally, more local government is moving to secure cheaper energy rates for cloud based operations..
no.

meager flame
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jagex has fully maximized profit relative to their investment

willow rain
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"overhead"

dense sundial
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you are aware they are a buisness and they need to make money right?

meager flame
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yeah its just all of the other businesses they compete with manage to keep a similar price point while having massive overhead in comparison

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its pretty obvious we're just getting hoed by jagex

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but at least the game is good

dense sundial
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people will pay it because the game is good. its a supply and demand thing. if you do something good you don't do it for free

restive siren
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i feel like most gaming companies either jacked up their prices in the past years or went hard on microtransactions

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dont think jagex is an exception here sadly

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how much of that is justified, very hard to tell without having actual knowledge of the business side of things

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the black and white thinking of people is just tiring, yeah some the company will make more money probably but they also invested and are investing a lot and global prices for basically everything are rising

willow rain
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and, if i'm honest, i run my own. and i've worked for fortune 500s. this isn't the best course of action to make up for lost revenue in a totally different game.

restive siren
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the truth is just somewhere in the middle most likely

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and middle takes dont do well on reddit or twitter

meager flame
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i mean if you check their earnings this isn't to make up for rs3

willow rain
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there needs to be a sort of compromise between the entirety of your clientele base

meager flame
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its just to set record profits

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mtx value has been dropping for years but they were posting record profits due to the increase in overall subs

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so increasing all of those subs by this much is probably worth more than the totality of their mtx earnings

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which included bonds

dense sundial
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they are a business. you aren't owed this game.
Its a privilege to play and this is what they charge for that privilege.

meager flame
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its not to offset anything is all im saying

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they're just getting money bc they can

willow rain
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it's like breaking something on a job site.. say.. siding. then paying for it out of pocket, and charging the next customer double rates to make up for it.
not a good way to run a business

meager flame
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or at least assume they can

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might change if enough people unsub

restive siren
willow rain
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it goes both ways in business

meager flame
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it was actually fair

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that's not something we can say this time

restive siren
willow rain
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micro marketing strategy

meager flame
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well yeah if it was the price would've gone up a couple dollars total

dense sundial
meager flame
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instead it went up 30

restive siren
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like they have more employees than ever before, especially on the support and anti cheat team as much as people like to meme on that. they are looking to expand server locations around the world which is probably expensive af, they probably took a hit due to mtx, inflation plays a role ofc, energy and hardware prices are rising in a lot of places

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yeah profit is one factor but its reductive as hell

meager flame
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you can't really escape that their competitors have been dealing with all of that the whole time

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its just for profit

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which is their job

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but they could've changed nothing and still been profitable

restive siren
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what competitors are you referring to? blizzard?

meager flame
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and ff

fresh forge
restive siren
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bro blizzard has been cranking up the monetization to eleven in the past 4 years for wow i dont think you know what you are talking about

meager flame
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idk theres no reason to assume jagex did this for anything other than their profits they didn't need to do it

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they just said we can do it

willow rain
# dense sundial and that is fine. I'm sure they expected certain amount of players to drop off f...

To be clear, i didn't "drop off". I'm determining the REAL value of their product by setting my own limits regardless of my ability to afford it. I have played this game since 2002. I found it on miniclip. I'm a veteran of this time sink, lol. Like most people, I give my time to make the money I use to waste my time on the game. I would play one account at a time, and remain subbed on multiple others as a favor to them because I LOVE this game.
I already know 10-12 others who did the same thing i just did. I HOPE they account for that, or they won't be around to host the game very long.

dense sundial
harsh zephyr
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Where is the poll for this change!?

restive siren
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lol

meager flame
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not really its more like jagex mmo value vs other game mmo value and comparing

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i dont blame jagex for making more money when they think they can

willow rain
restive siren
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blizzard has increased their revenue by a shitton via microtransactions and early access. and more frequent expac releases

meager flame
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but i think they've basically reached their ceiling

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i think if they do this again next year people wont pay them

restive siren
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not to mention their shitty mobile gatcha

willow rain
meager flame
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blizzard is all together just a lot smarter with mtx than jagex

restive siren
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saying hey look blizzard is so great they arent greedy like jagex is is such an enormously disingenuous take

meager flame
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they figured out how to sell people things that dont undermine the actual progression in their game that people care about

willow rain
meager flame
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they're very good at pricing and monetizing players

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jagex on the other hand when they try mtx

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tend to fuck their game up

merry verge
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whatayou guys reckon about whether membership should allow one to play any account on the Jagex account, but be restricted still to only being able to play 1 account at a time per bond?

winged mantle
icy relic
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there's no reason I shouldn't be able to play rs3 and osrs at the same time on one account

kind surge
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any character on the account you mean?

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that would be nice

meager flame
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thats kind of the big difference between jagex and the main competitor mmos

wild gate
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Other games are looking mighty tempting to switch to..

Let's face it, most of us were only playing RS because we didnt feel like paying 15$ a month to their better but priciercompetition, but if they're gonna try and jack the price, its very easy to know what competition most of us are going to switch over to..

stray tinsel
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I stopped paying for membership with real money since the last increase like a year ago. Only using bonds from my gp stack, once the gp is gone, on to a different game. Not gonna bother with osrs increasing membership price every year and still only allowing 1 account per membership

dense sundial
meager flame
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they're just better at finding ways to monetize their players without messing the game up

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where jagex went full rs3 and

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we see what happened

willow rain
merry verge
meager flame
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yeah except if someone in my family wanted to play rs3 i'd disown them

icy relic
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every blizzard game has battle passes and other cosmetics

restive siren
# willow rain who tf even said that

well mr turkey said that the competition hasnt been jacking up their prices which is just a false statement imo. and ive read the bliz comparison like 500 times in #old-school in the past 12 hours. which is especially funny since generally osrs players shit on wow all the time, now suddenly they want to go play it. ill happily pay more (and im not paying more since i only play one account and have no expansions to buy) for a better game and a WAY better developement team

meager flame
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they figured out how to get people to pay them while not for example

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ruining raiding

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etc

icy relic
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Battle pass could've worked if they just took some extra time to integrate it into the lore and not make it seem so mobile

restive siren
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yeah love devs using shitty psychology tricks to make more money

icy relic
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they already did seasonal buffs and events

restive siren
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they really are so good at their job

meager flame
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i mean im fine with it if they get it done like blizzard does

icy relic
#

it was an easy flex to make seasonal-themed events and tie that to some sort of BP cosmetic system but they completely screwed the pooch

meager flame
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because you can just avoid it entirely if you wish and it actually doesn't mess up the things in game that mattered

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and your sub fee has been the same since 2004

restive siren
meager flame
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i mean with jagex for sure

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they'd probably make flashing clown suits that announced in a world wide message that you logged in and spend x dollars and make everyone solve a capcha to continue playing afterward

icy relic
#

at the end of the day the bigger problem is that everything jagex did other than runescape ended up being a flop, up until dragonwilds

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so they never managed to milk the mobile boom or any of the other trends in the last 20 years

restive siren
#

so the bottom line is jagex cant use all the shitty microtransaction, gatcha, cosmetic shops every single other game uses because they built a community around opposing exactly that. and then we are in shock when the sub price increases

meager flame
#

i mean tbf they probably could do it

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its just if they did that and messed it up like last time

icy relic
#

comparing to wow's sub fee is ultimately irrelevant to me because you couldn't pay me to play wow

meager flame
#

it would be nuclear fallout levels of bad for them

icy relic
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but like every time they jack up the fee it does become inaccessible for more and more people and it hurts the community

restive siren
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even if there were just cosmetics in the osrs style it would be catastrophic imo

willow rain
icy relic
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they went back already

meager flame
#

i just think on like a conceptual level they need to do what wow has done

icy relic
#

thre was just a content drought in WoW

meager flame
#

they need to figure out how to monetize players that will spend more without undercutting the progression and things that are special about the game

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and that would allow them to maintain a lower sub fee and be more accessible to more players

willow rain
icy relic
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RS is just too grindy for anyone who isn't already a perennial RS player

meager flame
#

the problem is that jagex has shown us

willow rain
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hell yeah. and lets 25x the exp rates

meager flame
#

that they fucking suck at doing that

willow rain
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LMAO

restive siren
meager flame
#

like in rs3 everything they did

restive siren
#

microtransactions are completely out of the question

meager flame
#

is like a textbook on what not to do

icy relic
#

they can't even sell cosmetics in RS3 anymore because they created a market around it

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most cosmetics are utter dogshit/recolors that nobody cares about

meager flame
#

yeah they cant control themselves they just do crazy shit anytime they've been allowed to try

icy relic
#

the ones people do want are really cool but they're like hundreds of mil or even over a bil to buy because they're so rare from TH

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and because they flooded the market so much with cosmetics it's hard to get people to care about new cosmetics

meager flame
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i think its because every system jagex has ever created for mtx outside of bonds

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is built from the mindset of who cares i wont work here in 2 years

icy relic
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yup

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I mean that is how jagex itself was run for years and years

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constantly changing hands

willow rain
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3 times?

meager flame
#

where when you look at wow they understand the like

icy relic
#

3 times during an important phase of the game

meager flame
#

reach they have with so many people and try to come up with something thats attractive but doesn't really mess up the game

icy relic
#

RS3 has been pretty much on life support for years now as a result

meager flame
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because they know its going to sell like crazy

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and the game needs to still be there the next time they do it

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basically jagex is just self destructive

icy relic
#

it's also seen in the balancing, historically when they make a mistake they just don't fix it

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they'll nerf something after 1-2 years even though everyone knew right away that it was a problem

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but by then everyone is used to it and it hurts when they giganerf it after it's been part of the meta for so long

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they've been better about it since the recent paradigm shift to be more like OSRS

stray tinsel
#

the company that owns jagex now is just a buy n dump corporation, they buy companies to profit and then resell them off for profit asap, membership increase is a result of that, not because of rs3 or "game improvements"

icy relic
#

but it's going to take a really long time to rebuild trust

meager flame
#

jagex isn't really a purchase like that

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they have a lot of value and they might get a resale in like 2 or 3 years

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but actually getting that money back out of it takes quite some time if they dont sell it again

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this is all just a great reason to say no to leagues

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people probably dont even realize but im pretty sure they hit the price increase for a league last time too

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jagex knows what they're doing lol

icy relic
#

yeah our content cycles are actually really slow these days

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DMM into OSRS leagues into RS3 leagues

tawdry sage
#

Osrs is going to have a drop in members in the very near future with this price increase

opal urchin
#

Dear Jagex, I personally think that if temporary game content is going to be used to justify membership price increases, it should be polled. If we’re spending money on leagues, we should have a choice in it. Temporary content eating into the roadmap is one thing but if we’re being charged more, that’s a different thing. If it polls well, you can keep using resources on temporary content, but otherwise please focus on other things.

meager flame
#

nah its gonna go up because of the league

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and they're farming the league

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the really interesting thing is going to be if it turns out to be too much

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if they wait for the league to be ending to put up a blog talking about membership changing in some way

icy relic
#

capturing seasonal players is a pretty good model though unfortunately

meager flame
#

to put people in the full copium cycle

icy relic
#

that's also why they're reworking RS3 a ton

meager flame
#

announce price hike before league farm the big spike

icy relic
#

they want to make sure people don't fall out of the sub ecosystem

meager flame
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then placate people with small adjustments post league so they try to resub if they cancelled or were planning to

icy relic
#

if they burn out of OSRS they want people to be able to go to RS3 without too much friction

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if they can even get like 10% of people who would otherwise burn out it's a good deal for them

meager flame
#

the real reason you cant play rs3 and osrs at the same time

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is that jagex doesn't want to invest in fixing their login services

opal urchin
meager flame
#

same reason blizzard doesn't fix it

opal urchin
#

“can’t send a DM to different places”

icy relic
#

if they actually cared about saving RS3 they would get on that asap

meager flame
#

personally i'd probably have fixed it if i were them

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because it probably goes both ways where people bored of rs3 might have grown an interest in osrs and vice versa

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if they could do both at once

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but since they can only choose one they might never figure that out and spend money elsewhere

opal urchin
#

Dear Jagex 2, I heard you improved player support but why can only streamers get problems fixed? Seems like no improvements have been made and an AI chatbot is not an improvement

icy relic
#

there's a lot more crossover than before anyway

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I think it's clear that the interest is there, they just need to remove the barriers

meager flame
#

yeah im ngl just watching people appeal bans and get denied and the chatbot doing chatbot things makes me think its not worth money

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they're not really hitting the "i should pay for this" quality bar

wild gate
#

But hey, they got cute YouTube videos where they all dress up, and put on a play on YouTube.. That's where your money is going.

opal urchin
opal urchin
meager flame
#

i do think its funny how our only update is a questionable white liquid drinking quest and then nothing

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and they raise the prices after

wild gate
opal urchin
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where they had to redo the finale

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and didn’t stream it

meager flame
#

i mean tbf half the appeal of dmm

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is laughing at how jagex fails in the finals

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they simply cant get it right

opal urchin
stark dome
#

Bros I just realized there's no grandfathered rate for annual subscription

opal urchin
stark dome
#

Its over for me

opal urchin
#

don’t worry it’s still the “best value”

stark dome
#

Casual +30% in 18 months

opal urchin
#

tbh i don’t even mind the price increase, i just think the justification is flimsy. if they said yeah inflation and our parent company is going to kill us i would respect the honesty. it’s just saying leagues justifies it and “player support” that upsets me.

icy relic
#

yeah it's like an extra 35 dolos for 12 months

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rough

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they shoulda just blamed it on the war

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people would have been more understanding

nocturne solstice
#

Maybe the player support bit means they're hiring more support team staff peepognomeblush

stray tinsel
#

they lie about the veteran pay and grandfathered rates many years ago, my acc thats 21 years old was locked at $5 a month the og price, then it slowly went up to $5.99, and last year it went to $7.99

meager flame
#

tbf the real truth is probably something like this

opal urchin
meager flame
#

cvc bought us and loaded on more debt and this is how we're paying what we were paying and the interest better pray they dont sell us again in a few years

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and create more debt for jagex

icy relic
#

I'm paypigging anyway, not like I'm gonna go play something else

opal urchin
meager flame
#

usually the company gets saddled with the debt not the investment group

icy relic
#

but life sux, everything keeps getting more expensive

meager flame
#

i mean its almost certainly the real truth

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but its hard to explain that to people because inevitably

opal urchin
#

we’re adults, just say the situation

meager flame
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when they sell jagex to someone else

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everyone is going to freak out

nocturne solstice
meager flame
#

because it means another price hike

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its also going to be a nightmare when the playerbase isn't growing

nocturne solstice
#

Its been growing for a while hasnt it?

meager flame
#

yeah

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thats why it keeps changing hands

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they're flipping jagex

nocturne solstice
#

Would that not imply its about to flip hands again? 🤔

meager flame
#

within a few more years most likely

nocturne solstice
#

Increase prices so you can "lie" on the financial spreadsheet for expecting income for the next quarter and sell before the chaos happens from said price increase.

meager flame
#

someone is going to get stuck holding the bag eventually and they're gonna go to town on jagex

nocturne solstice
#

Similar to how game companies fire everyone before reporting season to lower costs at the financial review

meager flame
#

the crazy part about it is that long term lol

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idk what can even happen short of like elon musk deciding to buy jagex because he likes it or something

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it probably wont end well unless the game by some miracle just keeps growing forever

nocturne solstice
#

After the Path of Exile disaster? Haha I guess that's another play he could make to try and appeal to the gamer audience

opal urchin
#

he just sold twitter to xai to spacex

meager flame
#

i guess jagex could also buy themselves in a miracle scenario too

opal urchin
#

the best thing for jagex would be for cvc to not be lying and just actually trust them to turn rs3 around

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and take a long term view

meager flame
#

yeah thats the thing though its cvc

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thats not how they work lol

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they're totally here to sell in the next 5 years

opal urchin
#

idk, mod north clearly has said publicly that he believes they agree with the strategy, and idk who is to judge

meager flame
#

if they weren't private equity i'd think it was possible

opal urchin
#

idk, i think too much about private equity these days, this sucks to have to deal with in a hobby

meager flame
#

ya it sucks that buying gaming studios is kind of one of their more modern things

opal urchin
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no i mean on a meta level i shouldn’t have to concern myself with this but i do

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if you invest 5 years in a character you have to actually care that the company isn’t going to evaporate

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and this raises the bar for communication

meager flame
#

tbh idk if it even really matters if they communicate about it

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like on some level you have to trust them to be honest

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and im not sure you really can

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because even if north means what he says that doesn't mean cvc is going to think or feel the same next month

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for example

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on the 25th of last month i got an email basically explaining that the value of my 12 month sub was dropping because they were removing things from rs3

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not even 3 weeks later they raise prices talking about the value of the packages

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they're clearly just going to say what sounds good lol

tiny otter
#

when will you learn

civic tundra
#

$40 yearly increase is insane

odd basalt
#

wow still costs more, just do a little bit of OT, it's 2026 XD

languid ravine
#

oh no its 2min slowmo, retreat to other channels

odd basalt
#

hell, give me dungeoneering back and i will pay the same yearly rate as wow, i want content i can play, these raid and bossing updates mean nothing to people who don't do them lol

wet smelt
frail plover
#

sarachnis instance respawn timer fix tomorrow? 👀

willow rain
robust wyvern
frail plover
robust wyvern
#

I’ve lost a few doin diff things beyond lvl 20 wildy. All other defenders in the game can be parched. I figured they just looked past it for the mooleta

frail plover
nocturne solstice
#

they already did

robust wyvern
#

Haha I did and I agree. Probably not

ashen yarrow
robust wyvern
#

Wishful

nocturne solstice
#

i dunno why you'd want to though. Parching is for members and at that point just parch a ddef?

ember token
#

theoretically you could just drop it when you were about to die, then go back and pick it up

robust wyvern
#

1 def accounts maybe or specific builds. Idk

frail plover
#

I can't think of a reason it shouldn't be parachable, whether its a good use of money is up to whatever niche account would use it

robust wyvern
ember token
#

again you should be able to drop it on the ground though

robust wyvern
#

I just relate the item closely to a defender. Thought they should all have similar options

nocturne solstice
ember token
#

think either or works

ashen yarrow
#

dragon defender should still be 60 defence to equip. antler guard no defence requirement but 50 prayer needed

nocturne solstice
#

ah true, fair enough on that then

robust wyvern
#

Fair enough. I do still consider it a defender tho and therefore should have the same options to parch as defenders. Feel like that is valid enough

frail plover
#

mooleta is hypothetically accessible at level 3 combat though no? unlikely to get one without leveling up a few times, but the niche is there I think

ember token
ashen yarrow
robust wyvern
robust wyvern
ashen yarrow
#

isnt recoil like 15min kill scronglydespair

robust wyvern
#

6

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Pin it up against the fence and it skips its charge phase

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Otherwise about 8-9

tribal smelt
#

What is the go with spectral anyways? i would of assumed it would be more inline with arcane atleast being on the same drop rate. The prayer draining effect should really work on everything.

hasty shard
#

wild it doesnt work on smite

tribal smelt
ashen yarrow
robust wyvern
#

If it can’t reach where ur at, it charges everytime is why between the two feeders would be safe. Versus when it can’t charge it stomps everytime it’s “special” attack comes

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Either way… it’s a superior cow not a boss

tidal lark
#

everything with a subscription service needs to stop upping their prices bro, jobs make such a big deal over like a 1% pay rise without even taking into account inflation, but companies raise prices by 30% for subscriptions all willy nilly
"hehehe uwu sowwy u gotta pay mowre fow this thing u were alweady paywing fow jwust because we think u wont make a fwuss and we want mowe money, uwu"
sick of capitalism im going to live with the monkeys in karamja and spend the rest of my life smelting monkey nuts and inhaling the fumes until i believe im actually a monkey

obsidian venture
vivid ruin
ember token
#

yeah subscription services are definitely socialism

#

when someone says socialism thats what theyre referring to

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youtube premium

icy relic
#

It's actually digital feudalism

harsh inlet
#

It’s honestly stupid that because GagEx removed MTX from RS3 all of our bond prices go up.

Co-mingling of profit from RS3 & Osrs is the problem. The development of each game needs to be funded by their own player base. It’s not OSRS member’s responsibility to foot the bill for the dog shit that is RS3

languid ravine
#

both games still have mtx ancestralhmm

icy relic
#

Why do you blame it on RS3 lol

#

Prices would have gone up regardless because number has to go up

#

MTX was removed because they already milked the playerbase to exhaustion and it was losing money vs just keeping subcount

#

Stop the dumb tribalism

winged mantle
hard axle
#

What they should have been doing was adding bond bulk packages because buying bonds individually and selling them on GE is kank as fuck.

#

If you know, you know erm

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1-by-1 is ass design wise.

winged mantle
#

idk recurring high revenue from subscriptions for long term profits and growing playerbase looks good to future investors

hard axle
#

Sure, but removing MTX from RS3 is far from the main reason.

#

Just good old corporate greed erm

meager flame
#

mtx has been going down for years

hard axle
#

call it that

winged mantle
#

ofc

meager flame
#

jagex is just super fake in their like

#

communication

hard axle
#

it's fake as shit

meager flame
#

like "yeah we're the greatest we're gonna fix rs3 mtx is bad for the health of the game"

hard axle
#

you really think these guys would drop MTX if it was still 80% their revenue?

#

hell no

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not only that

meager flame
#

and in the world's tinest text it says "mtx has actually been not selling very well and we've destroyed the game so now we have no choice but to try to fix it"

hard axle
#

it's more than likely just a smokescreen to get dumbasses with grandfathered rates to unsubscribe and then "compromise" after 14 days with a middle ground price

meager flame
#

i honestly think they're gonna stand their ground

hard axle
#

so they subscribe at a 10% higher price instead of 30%

meager flame
#

then after the league is winding out

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release a blog talking about prices

hard axle
#

that's my guess at least

meager flame
#

just to scoop the increased price off of all the league players

hard axle
#

feel free to be different ye

#

honestly, im surprised by how much of reddit finally agreeing that endless temp game modes is bad

meager flame
#

like

#

idk if people noticed

#

but price increases have matched league releases

#

thats not an accident

#

they know people bond up new accounts

#

2024 it happened in September and guess what came out 2 months later

#

oh wow crazy a league is coming out this year too huh

languid ravine
winged mantle
#

if we got actual player support i would agree with the price increase

meager flame
#

i wouldn't honestly

#

i play games with more overhead and better support for about the same price

winged mantle
#

as the only way to justify this

#

it's pretty grim tho

meager flame
#

fact is they're already charging us too much compared to their investment

winged mantle
#

they're towing the line

meager flame
#

that's why people were so mad at this one

#

the fact that their support is a chat bot that doesn't work

#

and all of their updates are temporary or bugged as fuck is like 11/10

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on top of it

fallow drift
#

At this point, I'd much rather Jagex come right out and tell everyone who pays for the yearly memberships to just hop in the trash.
Give rs3 mtx back and stop making your loyal players pay for the shithole downfall that rs3 is 🤷‍♂️

meager flame
#

like hey guys look at all of this value lists of stuff that's broken or temporary

icy relic
#

As I said they should have just blamed the price increase on membership cards not being able to go through the Strait of Hormuz

meager flame
#

impressive

icy relic
#

Give a believable reason basically lmao

meager flame
#

did you see where apparently they were showing people the osrs roadmap when they unsubbed

#

idk if that has the effect they intend

#

"we see you're leaving us but don't leave behind this 6 month gap of no main game content!"

icy relic
#

Does it confirm my bias that they are trying to turn RS3 into a safety net for people who burn out of OSRS/or when the game has content droughts

meager flame
#

like lool

summer summit
#

Unsubscribed today 🫡 Not paying even more, nty

meager flame
#

also i think its funny that people think mtx is gone

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they still sell it

icy relic
#

It's functionally gone

winged mantle
fallow drift
icy relic
#

Nobody buys that shit, the issue was that they had to make MTX so broken that people would buy it but in the process that made the free spins you earned from playing way too strong as well

#

In its current form it is basically tucked away in bumfuck nowhere and it's a terrible deal

meager flame
#

i just cant believe they're not playing the game better with communication

#

like you can't send me an email talking about how my 12 month sub is losing value and you're exploring options then 3 weeks later tell me the price is going up and talk about how valuable it is

quaint oar
#

the ai bot is the cummunication we get

meager flame
#

like jagex is disagreeing with jagex

icy relic
#

I think honesty and treating us like adults would just be the better option

meager flame
#

and im just sitting here watching it appear on my screen

#

its insane lol

gleaming karma
#

Get rid of sailing and go back to old prices pls

icy relic
#

Like my country is bombing another country on completely fabricated pretenses so 30 extra dollars on 12 month membership is not the end of the world in comparison

#

But just stop the gaslighting and just say that we're sorry we gotta crank up the numbers again because it's that time of year again

fallow drift
#

No notice. Effective immediately. No more 3 or 6 month options. Oh, and we're back porting to Sept for grandfathered members. This is the exact representation of the game we have right now. In a state of disbelief. Updates are never complete, come with bugs, make random things not work or glitch. Then god forbid their terrible code is a bug and kills your hcim, too bad. Then they have the audacity to compare themselves to other MMOs yet provide exponentially less than what any other MMO has to offer for their players. Truly abhorrent

meager flame
#

i do think they shouldn't point to their content or their monthly prices

gleaming karma
meager flame
#

because the content has been coming out in bad shape and their prices draw comparison to other games that might have them beat in a lot of ways

#

just say something crazy that people can't understand about economics

#

like you can't be jagex and raise your price to match wow and talk about support for example

#

because blizzard has done support better than jagex since the dawn of time

#

that just makes jagex look bad

quaint oar
#

the fact they decided to do the comparison justifys us using it as an argument, sure your prices are 'cheaper' but the other mmos let us have multiple characters to 1 membership fee. so in the longrun jagex, your more expensive lol

spiral solar
meager flame
#

yeah except in wow the chatbox gets it done

#

in rs it just does nothing

icy relic
#

The sub fee is not the main selling point for WoW though

meager flame
#

i mean it will be soon at this rate

icy relic
#

The faction and server transfers are

#

Selling point is the wrong term mb

#

You have to spend 15 dollars to xfer to play with your friends or if you want to join a new guild

meager flame
#

idk jagex just really shouldn't ask for that comparison with their blogs because tbh

icy relic
#

But you are 100% right

meager flame
#

if you need help it might take a lot of attempts but blizzard will help you and will fix anything including you getting drunk and deleting items

icy relic
#

Acting like you can compete with WoW is silly

meager flame
#

jagex will not help you with anything except getting your account back unless you experience an absolutely crazy bug

#

that deletes your items

#

they're not on the same level at all lol

icy relic
#

Just because some people prefer playing this game instead does not mean you are a better product

meager flame
#

ya jagex needs to stick to talking about the things they actually do well

#

like

icy relic
#

Also idk why they are patting themselves on the ass for shit ass sailing

meager flame
#

progression mattering over time and not resetting

spiral solar
meager flame
#

smaller but frequent updates

#

a cheaper sub price in the past

#

stuff like that

icy relic
#

Varlamore was admittedly good but that is just normal for what they should release

quaint oar
#

its not just wow their are comparing to, its xiv as well, which is equally as bad to compare to. like sure wow and xiv have a dumb mtx eco as well (granted its mostly mounts and cosmetic outfits but still) its still a shit look to compare to other mmos that are offering better things for their price points like, multiple accounts for the fee lol

icy relic
#

Look at stuff like Elder God Wars Dungeon in RS3

spiral solar
meager flame
#

yeah ff is the same way they kill jagex where they're actually good at stuff

#

so jagex really shouldn't take those subjects and present them asking for it lmao

icy relic
#

That game has gotten shit that is infinitely higher production quality than anything OSRS has ever made

icy relic
#

Since when?

meager flame
#

its been a few years now

quaint oar
#

like i hate the comparison arguement but when jagex themselves bring it to the table im gonna totally mention it lol

meager flame
#

ya jagex was very stupid for trying to defend their increase the way they did

acoustic robin
#

As a xiv player, you could not engage with their cash shop at all and be fine (maybe a bit strapped for effective bankspace when you've played long enough)

meager flame
#

ya wow is the same way where blizzard offers you the chance to pay for things that don't actually ruin the core progression of the game that people play for

#

so they're way better at monetizing their players

#

jagex just went crazy as seen with rs3 when they tried mtx

#

they dont understand how to do it well

quaint oar
#

the only thing people will engage with from the xiv shop if they want to play with their end game friends is the story skips, which i really dont recommend at all considering the story is the main selling point except for dawntrail according to players, i havent played through it yet

meager flame
#

like in wow leveling up isn't really a big deal everything that happens in the game happens at max level

icy relic
meager flame
#

so they can sell you a boost but they'll never sell you gear or a raid lockout

#

but in osrs the core progression is leveling up

icy relic
#

They even ruined the "optional" MTX

meager flame
#

so they can't sell exp

#

but jagex went to sell exp in rs3

quaint oar
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but like when other mmos offer more for their sub price even with bi yearly expansions adding to your cost it still doesnt justify the whole comparison

meager flame
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and yeah jagex somehow even ruined cosmetics

icy relic
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They started selling exp because they wanted RS3 to be an endgame experience like WoW

acoustic robin
spiral solar
meager flame
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i swear if jagex tried cosmetics in osrs we'd be like two game updates from a flashing clown outfit that flash banged everyone that saw you teleport in

icy relic
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Anyone who played RS3 leagues can tell you that there were so many bullshit grinds even with 16x exp that you could not skip

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The time sink just shifted elsewhere

quaint oar
jovial snow
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Diablo 2 added a new warlock class. Remember when games didnt have subscription fees?

meager flame
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the reason wow can be a game that functions like that is that the exp curve is created to end in a couple of days of casual leveling

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so buying it in the first place is just like

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someone being very lazy

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its basically unthinkable to not hit max level if you log in lol

icy relic
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I am willing to defend them a little bit (the logic, not the implementation) because RS2 was already a maxer's game before EoC

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But yeah it's been rough as an RS3 enjoyer

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They take one step forward and two steps back constantly

acoustic robin
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RS3 league at least got me to do some bossing I hadn't done before

meager flame
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like wow leveling is way faster than leveling in rs3 or osrs leagues

quaint oar
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after the changes they were making i saw some potential with rs3 but yeah taking steps back makes me not want to rejoin that yet. and by the time it does get to a stable point i'll probably be paying 30aud a month for membership lmao

icy relic
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I started playing RS3 again on a new iron after DMM

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It's honestly not that different

acoustic robin
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Most of wow's intended loop is its gear treadmills rather than any of the leveling experience

meager flame
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ya like the core progression is post max gearing

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arena rating

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raid achievements

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i guess m+ these days too

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jagex has a lot of problems before they could kind of replicate that type of situation

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for example rs3 is not seasonal and it would need to be

icy relic
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PvP was always fun as fuck in WoW

quaint oar
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guess the thing we have other wow is that we dont have a lock out, but when wow lets you have multiple characters for the membership cost its kinda null'd that argument

meager flame
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they dont release expansions to reset either

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and they'd need to

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like its really a very different model in general

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i think the character slot thing is more nuanced in general like

quaint oar
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like i'd be real, id pay a premium if jagex let us have like 3-4 accounts tied to one membership

icy relic
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Jagex getting a bit over their head, sipping the koolaid just because some WoW players swapped over for a bit during a content drought

meager flame
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we shouldn't get 60 characters in osrs theres a lot of weird shit we could do that we probably shouldn't be doing

quaint oar
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like add it to the 12month premium if you want to lock it behind something idfk

meager flame
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however

icy relic
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They are so far from blizzard for all their faults

meager flame
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we probably should get more than 1

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especially for the 12 month sub

quaint oar
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yeah like make it a 12 month sub exclusive inclusion or something

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but limit the accounts to like 3 or 4

merry verge
icy relic
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That's the fun of it

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One day you come back and you are that guy ganking people with your homies

meager flame
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tbh i never really ganked random low levels or anything but it was fun being max level with your friends and being somewhat better than most people at pvp

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so it turned into like a 3v20 and somehow the 20 were losing

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people can get gapped real bad in wow lol

tough nacelle
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And we got less/worse updates

winged mantle
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I don't enjoy being lied to by a company that makes my favourite game'

tough nacelle
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It’s costing more than a WOW subscription when you compare annual subscriptions

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Osrs is like 180-190 CAD

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WOW Is 150

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And they have an actual support team

icy relic
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WoW also has never gone up since launch right

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It's always been 15?

tough nacelle
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Osrs went from 100-180 in no time

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The issue isn’t 80 bucks from a “can’t you afford it?”

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It’s wtf does jagex think of us

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You can’t deliver less and charge more

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This is going to be just like last year and they’ll make another post saying jk Jk prices are only going up 25%!!!

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And we solemnly swear to do better

icy relic
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Yeh it's not the money, it's the indignity (though it is also the money for a lot of people because everything is so damn expensive these days)

meager flame
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blizzard just found a smart way to monetize their players but keep the entry fee like

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inclusive i guess

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its actually gotten relatively cheaper to start playing wow

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as time goes on

tough nacelle
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Osrs is going like Rome

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It peaked

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But between bad content and annual significant price increases idk what to say

meager flame
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its weird because this one is so out of pocket

tough nacelle
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Everything is releasing half broken and there’s hardly any content

quaint oar
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the price hike doesnt bother me, what bothers me is jagex's bullshit reasonings for the prices, its basically a slap in the face to the players to say 'xyz content is why we're increasing price' especially when xyz content was bugged on release. the 'support' updates was literally just AI bot. and other things like HD and project zaneris were delayed or even canceled. theres no justification at this point

tough nacelle
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Legit no content since sailing

meager flame
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the previous 12 month sub increase actually mostly lined up with inflation compared to back in the day

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so imo it was fair

tough nacelle
meager flame
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you signed on for a whole year and they gave you the game at the original value more or less

tough nacelle
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It felt fair

meager flame
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but this increase is just

icy relic
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Also sailing is ass

meager flame
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not good lol

tough nacelle
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I defended the first price increase

icy relic
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And still has gotten basically no content or support post launch

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And the content we are getting is like basic shit and then reddit island

tough nacelle
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Apparently that was a mistake because clearly jagex wants to do this annually

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Chill guys you’re not Netflix

meager flame
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ya i remember when game pass thought they were netflix

icy relic
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Pitching a small scale midgame quest as a major content update is like plssss

meager flame
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that sub went out the window immediately lol

tough nacelle
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You get WAY more hours spent outta a tv subscription service and the entire family benefits

icy relic
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Nobody cares about tortugan quest 2

quaint oar
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gamepass went up again last year didnt it? its now what? 360 a year? lmao

tough nacelle
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Osrs is not crave or Netflix

meager flame
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yeah its some insane price now i wouldn't even consider

tough nacelle
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And you know what I do

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I cancel subscriptions when I don’t use em

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Considering we don’t get any osrs content until the middle of summer at best

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And raids will definitely be delayed

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Maybe I’ll only need 1 month of sub

meager flame
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yeah so its 10-15 a month for the tiers that suck and if you want the good gamepass

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its 30$ a month

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which is insane

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just buy the games

tough nacelle
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Osrs going that route

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Why pay for osrs when I can buy an indie title

gritty frigate
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The alternative to price increases are mtx

quaint oar
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also like, i really dont agree with the removal of the 3/6 month options, i dont think there was any benefit to removing them honestly

tough nacelle
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Slay the spire 2, silksong etc

meager flame
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tbf we still have mtx and the price increase

tough nacelle
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All cost about a one month subscription

meager flame
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so we didn't even lose mtx

quaint oar
tough nacelle
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They didn’t remove em

icy relic
tough nacelle
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7

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0

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They are profitable currently

meager flame
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yeah you cant tell me you're making record profits and also increase my sub fee by 70% in 2 years

tough nacelle
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They just paid a 6x revenue which is quite high for a video game company

icy relic
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People's tolerance for price increases is limited and we know from public data that they are making more money year over year

gritty frigate
tough nacelle
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And they want to make more

meager flame
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basically what i assume to be happening is when jagex was sold debt was assigned to jagex and they're raising sub costs to pay the interests on the debt while maintaining record profits

tough nacelle
meager flame
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because if they don't

tough nacelle
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Once logging in isn’t a habit

meager flame
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something bad probably happens to them

tough nacelle
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People will pay less

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They probably want to up revenue to sell it again

meager flame
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people dont usually understand stuff like that though like how debt is applied to the company instead of the investment group and so on

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and yes cvc is almost certainly in it to flip jagex again in the next 5 years

tough nacelle
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Sell it to someone else for 6x

meager flame
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and then the debt goes up again

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and more pressure is put on jagex

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until one day it fails

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but most of these guys will be out of there years before that happens

tough nacelle
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I’m not quitting but I’m definitely not subbing annually

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I’ll sub for 2-3 months a year

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Which loses them money

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Gives me time back

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I’m sure many other players will do something similar

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There’s 0 incentive to commit to longer payments now

meager flame
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private equity is not ideal for a game studio

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hopefully something else decides to buy jagex in the future

icy relic
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Hitting 12 month membership this hard is wild

oblique mesa
tough nacelle
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And theses mmos are habitual

icy relic
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These are supposed to be your most loyal customers

gritty frigate
meager flame
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like honestly they're basically demons

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it would be better if microsoft bought the studio

tough nacelle
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You stop playing for a while the desire to log in doesn’t stay

meager flame
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and thats scary enough lmao

tough nacelle
tough nacelle
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I can see leagues becoming less popular in the future

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As they increase frequency

icy relic
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Yeah after I got radiant, my entire way of thinking changed

meager flame
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i can see leagues being less popular because the people who went to pay for a month to play wont pay the price for a game they generally dont play

icy relic
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I don't want to sit there all day every day grinding the same shitty raids

meager flame
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because a lot of league hype is actually people that dont even play rs normally

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which is also why the price increases lined up with the last 2 leagues counting this one

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they're really farming people

tough nacelle
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Future of OSRS is grim

icy relic
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Also sailing is still shit

tough nacelle
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“Look at this sick roadmap!! It’s the best one ever!!!”

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“One quest and leagues”

meager flame
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ya they're like look at this roadmap you get a new barracuda trial!

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and im like woah can i pay you to not release that

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lmao

icy relic
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RS3 roadmap was really good in comparison actually

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I am stoked about RS3

tough nacelle
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Raids 4 - bruh we have no ideas

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Please help us

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Trust me bro it’ll be released this year

meager flame
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yeah the osrs roadmap was actually a disaster that i think hasn't really clicked for people yet

icy relic
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They still haven't fixed shadow and they plan to release another mega

meager flame
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because it had a couple of really cool things as a distraction

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but man there is nothing on that roadmap

tough nacelle
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Shadow will be addressed

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Pay more

meager flame
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its like the previous year where they ran dmm league and gim release

icy relic
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I am not worried about them delaying the raid

meager flame
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and then had to admit the real game didnt get enough attention and content

icy relic
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I am worried about them releasing the raid in august

tough nacelle
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We know we havnt delivered on any promises in the past

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But this time it’s different

icy relic
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Because doom and Yama were both horribly rushed

meager flame
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oh i wouldn't be worried about that

tough nacelle
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This time our devs won’t struggle to afford rent

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We swear it

meager flame
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i bet the raid doesn't release in 2026 before its in august

icy relic
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It's a boss rush

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They barely even need to design anything

tough nacelle
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Raid won’t come out till 2027 for sure

meager flame
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yeah but look at the past year

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everything is slower than they estimate

tough nacelle
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We’re gonna get one quest

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With a broken as shit boss

meager flame
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like we were supposed to already be playing blood moon rises

tough nacelle
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And a new agility course

meager flame
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and dmm was supposed to be in 2025

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etc

tough nacelle
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For 70% increase in price

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And if you get stuck in the boss fight

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Jagex won’t respond for 4 days like DMM

meager flame
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idk what even went so wrong

icy relic
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It's going to be a dead on arrival agi course as well

tough nacelle
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And say “this lightning fast support is why we jacked rates by 70%”

meager flame
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but they've consistently been off from their estimates

icy relic
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Balanced around level 40-50

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Because god forbid we powercreep anything

meager flame
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which is weird because i feel like jagex used to get memed on for bad release date announcements

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then they learned and got a lot better

tough nacelle
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I’m okay with slow releases

meager flame
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and now they're backsliding after years

tough nacelle
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I’m not okay with being gaslit on the winter summit

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And being gouged

icy relic
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Pitching sailing part 2 as a major content update is crazy

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The skill sucks and where's the sailing combat rebal?

meager flame
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this month

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apparently

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not even kidding

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in total secrecy for some reason but i saw some people talking about it

icy relic
#

I wish they just fucking released dungeoneering man

meager flame
#

i also think they're being really weird by not including sailing in leagues/dmm etc

gleaming karma
meager flame
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saying they want people to experience it first like

icy relic
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Devs had so much more vision back then