no idea why its so different these days actually
#game-update
meager flame
mint isle
but i'm bored!!!!! are we there yet?!
shrewd bolt
Me next time i'm late for work be like
ancient drum
You guys sound like crack addicts
vapid vault
Feels like, its just a sayin
worn peak
You guys sound like crack addicts
we fkkn are??
halcyon swallow
RS3 is up just play that.
dusk fossil
You guys sound like crack addicts
I feel like crack would've taken less hours of my life away by virtue of killing me sooner
worn peak
sinful walrus
rip breach?
sinful walrus
jagex is shancing the breach
tawny garnet
still a chance
Cope
sinful walrus
the only breach in my daylight hrs gets cucked
potent shard
halcyon swallow
Check Runedn for time left on update
patent oak
what happened to Gengis
real plank
Where is their status page?
idle rain
phishing
ember token
keylogger dont click that link
smoky axle
why even put a timeframe on it at this point....?
ornate tangle
guys i clicked that link and now i cant log in
sinful walrus
gagek
wanton arrow
i feel like they are taking my hit away from me
idle rain
engagment bait
tawny garnet
i feel like they are taking my hit away from me
You don’t feel like, they are
arctic kestrel
wow jagex really wrecked it this tiem
shrewd bolt
guys i clicked that link and now i cant log in
I didnt click anything and I cant log in either, must be mass AI integrated phishing
stone totem
6am-9am was the least popular timeslot so they put the maintenance in the 9am-12pm timeslot which doesn't make sense, 7/8am utc would have been a much better time
halcyon swallow
Drop an emoji and ill give you bofa
brave garnet
jagex u better gimme 5k dmm points for this
echo swift
this timeslot sucks. I liked the old one more
idle rain
they knew when the breach was right?
halcyon swallow
bofa deez nuts on ya face
ornate tangle
just do it overnight when us brits are in bed
south bolt
R.I.P Breach
brave garnet
just do it overnight when us brits are in bed
i mean, they sleep too bruh
south bolt
i mean, they sleep too bruh
they need a nightshift team
dusk latch
just do it overnight when us brits are in bed
U know the devs who are working during the downtime are brits too?
gaunt knot
Possibly Choose the role “game news” in the “channel & roles” section at the top of the side bar
south bolt
i hope they shift the ddm breach forward a bit after the upodate
ornate tangle
yeah get them in on the nightshift
arctic kestrel
no breach we riot
ornate tangle
breachhhhhhhhhh
brave garnet
have em cannons ready
arctic kestrel
breaaaaaaaaccccccccccccchhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
fickle mason
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
halcyon swallow
REEEEEECH
crimson cobalt
NOOBS
ashen nova
remember reach
halcyon swallow
arctic kestrel
12 mins to breach
halcyon swallow
12 mins to breach
11
fickle mason
Funny how ASAP means double the time we originally mentioned
arctic kestrel
wasnt even going to breach tonight but now i want 2 BBBBBBBBREEEEEEEEEEACCCCCCCHHHHHHHHHH
barren kernel
no breach in 10 mins sorry boys
brave garnet
im innnnnnnnnnnn
ornate tangle
make it a 1 hour breach at mid day
brave garnet
gogogogog
south bolt
Cmon Jagex i skipped the birth of my child to do this breach lets go already
worn pond
we are SO back
arctic kestrel
wrere in
scenic osprey
we up
arctic kestrel
LETSGO
brave garnet
gear uppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp
sullen jackal
12 mins to breach
💩
ashen nova
just in time to take out all the silver skulls
south bolt
Thank you kindly
hollow iron
They just can't do it, getting the game online in time.
They never did and they never will...
floral belfry
Its online
brittle ginkgo
we in
halcyon swallow
GG
ember token
floral panther
!rank
junior etherBOT
onyxtear., that command is disabled in this channel.
compact flicker
weary stag
Game jam ideas are poggggggg
Especially multi level visibility and rev cave rework
Pleae
still sundial
gamejam is always the most exciting stuff, very good
I love the audio stuff and multi-level visibility
modern temple
new game jam hella dry
timid lantern
All the changes look pretty cool, worth polling at least
timid lantern
paragliding
bronze kernel
Gnomecopters everywhere
ember token
airship expansion for sailing, actually
timid lantern
cant wait to drop a large brick on someone coming out of rev caves as I fly over in my airship
still sundial
Gnomecopters everywhere
no please don't remind me
bronze kernel
Multi level disabled in PvP is removing pure content
Deadman Modes where you are shooting people on the tight ropes from the ground
quiet plank
airship expansion for sailing, actually
Wouldn't surprise me if that was real in a few years
minor whale
The idea of a constantly moving around the world hot air balloon you could grab onto is hilariously fitting for OSRS
bronze kernel
Magic powered jet packs
still sundial
then we can get rid of the hot air balloon minigame for unlocking the routes
bronze kernel
Imagine being in the Wilderness and you get a way by putting on the jet pack and flying away
quiet plank
The teleport map seems great
I dunno anything about wildy but I just assume rev cave changes won't pass even if they're good
bronze kernel
You know some people may see multi level is waste of time. But it opens up more possible content
quiet plank
You know some people may see multi level is waste of time. But it opens up more ...
And it's just more immersive
bronze kernel
New mechanics being possible
uncut wyvern
Playlists are cool
heavy coyote
I quite like these ideas, boat sails and trims are cool, so is the multi-level stuff, would be fun as someone on the ground watching people do agility courses
Though you'd probably need to turn roofs on to see it right?
otherwise you got a bunch of people walking on air 😆
still sundial
me and the other 2 people who leave roofs (rooves?) turned on are very happy
carmine junco
I have the runelite plugins that hides them on mouse over so I can leave them on
heavy coyote
me and the other 2 people who leave roofs (rooves?) turned on are very happy
Rooves is apparently a viable term but dated, roofs is the correct modern plural of roof (I had to look it up 😆 )
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With the current Game Jam ideas on boat customization, please have the current boat paints reworked so they can be more easily (re)used once their huuuge grind to obtain has been achieved.
tl;dr: make boat paints permanent unlocks if you have collected the clog yourself, while existing tradeable paints can still be used by mains as a one-use consumable.
wheat lake
"Why would people go to the multi-combat spots? Do they have better loot?
No, they won't have better loot. That does mean that inherently there's a less significant motivator to risk it in multi-combat since you'll have Singles-plus variants in two locations to opt for instead if you're a solo player. We do think there's some appeal here though!
Having friends around to help kill the revenants means you can risk less since you'll all be able to contribute damage. Revenants dying quicker means less time for them to make use of their powerful regen, so your GP/hr is likely to remain solid even if you're in a group of friends - you can squad up without massive risk, secure some consistent GP and mess around with your pals to try and escape, anti-PK or seek out violence on your own terms.
We appreciate that Multi-combat PvP does have a bit of an image problem, but it's not all about massive clans of players spamming walls of text - there are loads of lifelong PKers or Wilderness enjoyers out there who got started with a friend or two zooming into the caves and sending Armadyl Godsword special attacks into a player before making a mad dash to escape with their spoils, and we genuinely believe that the low-stakes, good-vibes nature of not taking things too seriously with some friends is arguably the best way to improve your confidence in the Wilderness and PvP in general."
This is the most cringe solution i have seen yet. You want people to engage in pking more, yet you offer an environment for pkers to now gang up on you if you do. How about make more weapons that do consistent damage rather than spec weapons designed to 1 shot you from 70hp
wheat lake
Point still stands, dmm rev caves was abhorrent and constantly controlled by clans
tacit wharf
and
wheat lake
Lemme guess where the dragons gunna be...
tacit wharf
probably in singles and in multi
wheat lake
Lol hopefully
tacit wharf
getting all hot and bothered by just a rough outline of a possible change
wheat lake
Cause its counter productive
tacit wharf
yr cave is still the rev caves, all they're doing is adding a multi section
wheat lake
And raising entry fee to 500k for new players
tacit wharf
good
wheat lake
LOL
tacit wharf
its too good of a $$ for 0 cost
wheat lake
It is a cost..
tacit wharf
go get some play time in befor ehand
wheat lake
100k atm
tacit wharf
med diaries is a few days
wheat lake
150k then
Straight up pk incentive
For something that doesnt need more pk incentive
wheat lake
Bruh you dont listen. Im acting like its counter productive
tacit wharf
?
wheat lake
Pkers arent on the fence about killing in the caves
All this update does is make the rev caves more desirable to pk in
tacit wharf
the ease of access is too low for the amount of money that killing revs is
so they raised it
thats it
minor whale
If you want access to extremely easy money you should have some investment
wheat lake
Im not against rising the cost, if thats all they did
I am against adding a multi zone where hopefully the highest droprate mobs (currently ~1/3000) aren't exclusively residing in
tacit wharf
they made no comment on that they'd be putting the better drop rate monsters in multi
tacit wharf
they did however say that, if the boss spawns in single that it also spawn in multi
minor whale
The first part of the proposal literally says the multi won't have better loot
old nest
Did they add the new POH nexus teleports yet?
minor whale
It'll be riskier but less players there
tacit wharf
no cobra
wheat lake
Players or pkers
minor whale
With a guaranteed maledictus spawn
Less competition for revs, higher chance of pkers, same loot, guaranteed maledictus spot
wheat lake
Dmm was a clear indication that if multi is introduced, its gunna be clan guarded at all times
minor whale
There's no reason to dislike the proposal as is unless you just hate the idea of pkers having a spot of multi lol
Since the multi zone explicitly is stated in the first sentence to not have better loot
wheat lake
Only people who wouldnt are those that dont engage in pking
Which as shown with the purpose of the update, is a vast majority of players
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With the cu...
whichever jmod just rewarded me with my avernic treads, thank you so so much xD
minor whale
You yourself posted the exact phrasing from the blog and then immediately go "I'm ignoring that and assuming all the high end mobs will be in multi"
wheat lake
Then whats the incentive if not to pk pvmers more
hard axle
I am against adding a multi zone where *hopefully* the highest droprate mobs (cu...
The entire concept of wilderness is low requirements in exchange for high risk, high rewards.
The more risky it is, ie. deep wildy or multi wildy, the more risky it should be.
Every singles alternative or sub-30 wildy that they've introduced has had to be nerfed several times over because it's not possible to balance.
Artio, Calvarion, Spindel are all still preferred to Callisto, Vetion, and Vene and its not because of PKers.
minor whale
Posts blog
Ignores what was posted
Makes up scenario in head
Gets mad at made up scenario that's the opposite of what the blog says
Does not elaborate
hard axle
It's because the loot is still stupidly generous, you can 1t tp away, etc.
wheat lake
Posts blog
Ignores what was posted
Makes up scenario in head
Gets mad at made up...
Asks for alternative explanation as to why,
Doesn't offer one
wheat lake
It's because the loot is still stupidly generous, you can 1t tp away, etc.
So nerf the loot?
minor whale
Brother I don't have to offer an alternative when you're the one making up reasoning in your head that's counterfactual to what the blog says lmao
hard axle
vivid ruin
They should make singles have half the amount of revs
minor whale
The blog already has the explanations
hard axle
It doesn't matter unless you remove the loot entirely
vivid ruin
Make pvmers eat each other
hard axle
Because singles + instant teleport is just too good
obsidian venture
Multi revs was one of the most active periods in wildy history
Yes it had glaring issues but they mentioned what those were
And how they’re trying to not repeat that
coral dune
just vote no, everyone acting like rev caves didnt start out as multi lol
it was camped and ragged by rot
charging ppl an hourly fee to stay there
wheat lake
Brother I don't have to offer an alternative when you're the one making up reaso...
LOL "youre wrong, but i dont have to offer why by providing alternatives, I just say that you are"
minor whale
Brother
The blog you posted outright says you're wrong
obsidian venture
Idk I used to hold down a world with 2 friends and farm stuff till a random clan showed up
wheat lake
just vote no, everyone acting like rev caves didnt start out as multi lol
Indeed
minor whale
I don't have to give alternatives when you're literally just posting what Jagex says and then going "nah that's false"
obsidian venture
Was way more fun than an entire singles plus cave
wheat lake
I don't have to give alternatives when you're literally just posting what Jagex ...
Except i didnt say its false, I said its counterfactual
wheat lake
I don't have to give alternatives when you're literally just posting what Jagex ...
Its cringe
minor whale
It's very weird to just make up scenarios Jagex says isn't the case in the first line of the first paragraph of the description of the new caves and then tell people to argue against something that's entirely made up in your head
Literally nobody is going to take you seriously
coral dune
they should just remove multi and add law and order to Gielinor by charging player killers with murder and having them exiled from main towns
hard axle
nah, multi is infinitely better than singles because singles is actually cancer for rich mfers
you wanna know why? in multi, u mostly see budget setups
in singles, you see ancestral/masori/torva
:breh:
hard axle
I have 10k wildy boss kc now btw 
coral dune
ya i mean id rather get attacked by 1 maxer in 1b gear than 20 rune cbow raggers lol
hard axle
i prefer the opposite
minor whale
People who are extremely risk averse sure
But you're not gonna see a guy in max gear in multi unlike singles where he just can't die unless he dcs
hard axle
I broke the ankles of 2 scorpia pkers on both of my accounts
and it was so fucking funny 
obsidian venture
Boat Paints: sounds fun but also it’s whatever. Shouldn’t be a sink if dev time for these cosmetics if anything
CA menu re-work: Looks a bit cleaner and less congested. I am a fan of tiered pvm however if they consider toa 300 end game and or Yama (with what the picture showed) then it’s just cooked. You have to not play the game to list it as end.
Skilling menu rework: Much needed tbh and I’m excited to see this change.
Revs: I’m down for a multi/singles+ split. We have to limit ragging. People that have less than 5 items (could be tied to gp value for risk) should pay a much higher fee even with diaries.
The entrances for this seems very odd, one at mage bank and one near lavas, but I’m open to them. Could be annoying to do clues or escape from wildy bosses. Would propose some small safespots if anything (if it gets too much traffic to where doing multi bosses just isn’t worth)
minor whale
Multi is healthy to have good moneymakers in because the very possibility of being clanned keeps people either risking more if they do decide to risk or in more budget setups if they think they might die
Currently someone in singles who is focused solely on escaping in solid gear has to land a few freezes max and know how to use seeds, and bam unkillable
wheat lake
^ tell me youre in a pking clan without telling me youre in a pking clan
Rev caves started as multi-only. Had to be reworked cause no one used it due to pk clans
hard axle
^ tell me youre a yapper without telling me youre a yapper
wheat lake
Troll
obsidian venture
Idk why that would be tied to being in a pvp clan
He’s in a social clan, which obviously you wouldn’t know
wheat lake
Thinking that moneymakers ought to be in multi?
hard axle
In general, I think low level wildy and the ability to instantly teleport will never be balanced and the main part that should be shot down is this:
If you'd rather something a little less scary, we've also got a small cave featuring two Singles-plus hotspots in level 18-21 Wilderness.
hard axle
most pvm moneymakers are in multi 
obsidian venture
Yes clanning can be an issue
obsidian venture
There’s ways to counter that
One is via safespots
Other is high death fees for low item riskers
wheat lake
Im aight with the fee changes
hard axle
In general, I think low level wildy and the ability to instantly teleport will n...
Putting content in super low wildy only caters to pures existing and makes it impossible to balance without making the content worthless
Look at Zombie Pirates
obsidian venture
Multi is very fun and I engage with that more than solo pking, as solo pking is hop sim + hitting pvmers moreso (due to lack of pkers) with 45 brews and lots of tank
hard axle
They got 2+ nerfs?
round lintel
To be honest Im not a fan of this Rev proposal nor entry fee on the diary (I have elite diary done) But at the same time I dont have any ideas to proposse myself.
hard axle
How many times is Manked going to peddle his nonsensical pure-accessible stuff 
obsidian venture
So what makes you not a fan
minor whale
Multi is healthy to have good moneymakers in because the very possibility of bei...
I'm in DeliverItems, a social clan that helps people throughout the game by delivering stuff they'd need during quests and other things
I still think the game benefits from Wildy moneymakers being riskier instead of safer when the Wildy is already extremely safe.
wheat lake
Multi isnt the only way to increase risk
minor whale
Multi isn't bullying, it's a way of balancing easy as hell moneymakers
round lintel
So what makes you not a fan
The Layout, the multi push and that entrance fee tied to the diaries.
minor whale
You and your friends can now go have fun fighting other groups fighting bosses
hard axle
No Wilderness Diary - 500,000 GP
Easy Wilderness Diary - 300,000 GP
Medium Wilderness Diary - 150,000 GP
Hard & Elite Wilderness Diary - 100,000 GP
Big fan of this, BUT I'd suggestion doubling these fees outright.
or keeping it the same, but make you pay everytime u enter
minor whale
Some of the most fun I've had is a group of 5 of us who all suck at pking going and clearing out Vetion
round lintel
You and your friends can now go have fun fighting other groups fighting bosses
I dont have any friends nor I did back in 2017 🙁
hard axle
If you know anything about Revs, you know 500k is dirt cheap to how much you exit with 
wheat lake
^ not in a pk clan tho*
minor whale
?
round lintel
Sooo many times i got 1 bangged by the Tribe
obsidian venture
The Layout, the multi push and that entrance fee tied to the diaries.
The layout is odd sure but it’s an initial design so wouldn’t focus on that.
Diaries being tied in to the fee is healthy because it allows players to engage with content more over boys
minor whale
You never just do things with friends and go hey wanna fuck around somewhere doing silly inefficient things?
wheat lake
As an iron, no I literally can't
minor whale
People in a clan saying hey let's go Wildy for a bit is not being a pk clan lmao
obsidian venture
I’ve Pked with irons before
obsidian venture
Only difference is you get pked for the key after
hard axle
efficiency and iron lol
wheat lake
Troll lol
obsidian venture
Not really
Irons are generally inefficient
Which is quite normal
You progress to maybe getting to those levels much later on
obsidian venture
Sooo many times i got 1 bangged by the Tribe
Grab folks in cc, risk a low amount starting and explore
It’s more fun than you think
minor whale
Legit
obsidian venture
Dying is apart of the game
wheat lake
Pking will never have purpose to an iron except for potential bond money
obsidian venture
Sure
minor whale
We rocked up to Vetion in black d'hide and rcbs and an ags
vivid ruin
Its so fun pking with clannies
wheat lake
Yeah that's a good change
Assuming you can kill it before a 1b maxer takes the kill with his rev weapon
obsidian venture
Rng be rnging
wheat lake
Then kills you lol
vivid ruin
Its always funny seeing people from this disc out in the wild lol
obsidian venture
Yeah
hard axle
the 1b maxer is only 1b maxing because its singles lmao
obsidian venture
I’ve pked a few folks in this channel
hard axle
you almost never saw 1b maxer in old multi cave unless it was a streamer
minor whale
Saw Tassili in dmm a few days ago
wheat lake
The 1b maxer is only 1b maxing cause he's a main
minor whale
Never been more tempted to skull up...
wheat lake
And not an iron
hard axle
no, because its singles
hard axle
with sufficient gear
vivid ruin
Ive seen etube with his iron at vet. And bane & friends cleared my team once (not me though >:))
round lintel
Grab folks in cc, risk a low amount starting and explore
I retired my main now i only mine amethyst for pet, I play an iron atm its end game and well, I dont have any rev weapon mostly cuz best odds are past lvl 30 wildy and I get there within a min I have an AHKer pker and im such a bad loser hate to die to others so I will end up not making my time worth
obsidian venture
Unless you’re Rhys, you’re not risking 1b in singles even
minor whale
You literally are unkillable with the gear and invent that people bring in singles
round lintel
Sure I would want a craw's bow I have the fang for it
hard axle
max folks are fighting for legit 30-90 minutes until they land their freak rng
obsidian venture
I retired my main now i only mine amethyst for pet, I play an iron atm its end g...
Get total lvls and learn to rank
Otherwise no point in advising you
wheat lake
This the kinda toxic behavior why people dont egange in pvp
obsidian venture
Tank*
round lintel
Get total lvls and learn to rank
Im close to 2350
obsidian venture
This the kinda toxic behavior why people dont egange in pvp
Not toxic
noble vortex
🙄
obsidian venture
It’s very true
obsidian venture
I pk a decent amount and you don’t see folks risking hundreds of mls pvming
hard axle
This the kinda toxic behavior why people dont egange in pvp
or you could actually explain ur viewpoint instead of "toxic this" "troll that" whenever someone disagrees with you?
wheat lake
Bruh I have and all you do is say im dumb or stupid
hard axle
I already explained why there's many more 1b maxers in singles and not multi
you just said in response "its because mains"
okay
mains are in multi, but they dont 1b max
vivid ruin
Yeah pkers are who drop the AGSs and stuff. Thats where the fun pays out
hard axle
maybe its not the fact they're mains??
vivid ruin
Pvmers are just time killer
round lintel
My issue is my personality, I dont speak for a community, sure the changes would make sense to most, but I rather see a layout where you cant teleport but you can freeze log almost in every corner at leastr
wheat lake
Bruh, an iron dont typically go out in 1b. Multi or not
hard axle
Bruh, an main dont typically go out in 1b. Multi especially
wheat lake
If someone did, they are most likely a main
noble vortex
What’s wrong with it
obsidian venture
The folks that do risk are streamers or the 1/1m whale
noble vortex
hard axle
he's not getting the point at all
obsidian venture
What’s wrong with it
With what
obsidian venture
That has to be cap
wheat lake
All mains
hard axle
Seen plenty of 1b riskers in current rev caves
because its singles dummy
wheat lake
Bruh
hard axle
if its multi, those same pvmers are not risking 1b
vivid ruin
Maybe 100m but not 1b
obsidian venture
I need proof because I visit revs and I don’t see shit
Yeah you might be confusing the value
noble vortex
With what
He keeps talking about mains and irons, I’m no PvPer btw so I’m trying to make sense of what’s being said :p
obsidian venture
Right
hard axle
go to vetion, callisto, or vene - tell me how many are risking 1b
obsidian venture
He’s saying mains risk a bl in revs, to which I said is generally false
vivid ruin
If you're risking 1b, its for youtube lol
obsidian venture
If mains risked a bl, pkers would pk there in absolute max more
wheat lake
You gotta skull for a decent shot at rev weapons
obsidian venture
Yes
hard axle
no u dont lmao
obsidian venture
You don’t need a bl to skull
noble vortex
I seee yeah that doesn’t sound like an overly common occurrence
hard axle
brother
round lintel
In another note, yesterday I went to the funniest breach, in max bracket some people had the "Bright" idea of going to the breach with an alt using air strike the whole way so they can risk whatever they wanted and not getting pked
hard axle
do u not know about the task buff???
obsidian venture
The only person I saw over a bl, was on a YouTube video. A pker named rhys for his series
If you were in revs during that video, sure
hard axle
people literally grind out rev tasks just for that 
u dont need to skull if ur that much of a coward
hard axle
Task is 5x
literally my point
obsidian venture
People do on task unskulled a fair amount more
obsidian venture
Because at the end of the day people HATE dying in the wilderness
minor whale
On task unskulled is way more common
hard axle
He bitches a lot, but he's one of the few irons that actually grinded it out
minor whale
And they risk 20k
round lintel
Because at the end of the day people HATE dying in the wilderness
me, I could be risking a set of black d hide
I hate dying
wet smelt
Is there a game jam room?
restive siren
wdym room
hard axle
As an iron, skulled is so uncommon because if you already have a weapon and you disconnect or get smited, you lose the BP/MSB/Rev Weapon
It's geniunely never worth it to skull as an iron and this has been the meta for eons.
minor whale
It's entirely fine to not like dying, or not like being pked
It's a problem when you want the extremely easy free loot given to you without any risk of dying at all, and complaining when a problematic piece of content for how easy it is for how litle risk there is is made slightly riskier if you opt in to that riskier option
round lintel
They promised a wildy expansion didnt they? I thought thats where they would do that multi Rev cave instead
hard axle
The proposal is ass because they're still trying to cater to lower level wildy
vivid ruin
They promised a wildy expansion didnt they? I thought thats where they would do ...
Sailing
hard axle
warm spire
they should just delete pvp imo
vivid ruin
Deleting pvp is dumb
hard axle
it's not possible to balance in a fair way, it has to be shit for 30-
wheat lake
Literally could just make multiple rev caves rather than one massive one
ember token
thats part of the proposal
obsidian venture
Tbf this would work better
ember token
a 2nd smaller rev cave in level 20 wildy
wheat lake
Its still all connected
obsidian venture
Or lure the opposite way
ember token
no it isnt
round lintel
yeah I would be much of a fan of an open area multi inside separate to the singles
warm spire
well they don’t have to totally delete it
minor whale
Do you think Jagex would do a re-do of one of their worst mistakes of late RS2, at a time when pvp content viewership is literally top 10% of all viewership of their game
round lintel
different entrance fee
warm spire
just put it in their own worlds
obsidian venture
Pvp will never be deleted because it generates a lot of views
minor whale
And make the wilderness and all activities inside it inaccessible except on those worlds?
warm spire
Do you think Jagex would do a re-do of one of their worst mistakes of late RS2, ...
players were diff back then. pk community was big
warm spire
And make the wilderness and all activities inside it inaccessible except on thos...
nah
vivid ruin
I think wildy access should be reduced to like 30 worlds
obsidian venture
Pk community is smaller but it leads in viewership
minor whale
If you make pvp not a thing in most worlds but also make it so you can't enter the wilderness you'd be making pkers so happy
restive storm
Maybe 100m but not 1b
i risk like 700m - 1b if im feeling spicy, not because im good but because i suck and am not gonna kill anyone otherwise
warm spire
yeah just make their own worlds
obsidian venture
i risk like 700m - 1b if im feeling spicy, not because im good but because i suc...
Pvming?
obsidian venture
Yes
hard axle
i risk like 700m - 1b if im feeling spicy, not because im good but because i suc...
But you wouldn't do this skulled in multi, now would you?
minor whale
You want the extremely easy wilderness resources and gp to be literally free? That's not gonna happen lmao
warm spire
it’s already free
restive storm
This is about pvming
ahhh then im lost lol
obsidian venture
When have you see a 1b risker
minor whale
Then you should have no problem with pkers then
obsidian venture
In revs
minor whale
If it's free then why care
obsidian venture
You have more experience than me
warm spire
can put the bots in pvp worlds
obsidian venture
wheat lake
That was a good one lol
vivid ruin
If they could relocate bots, they could just ban them all
restive storm
When have you see a 1b risker
as a pvmer? never, my friends did find a skulled guy w/ an ely that somehow managed to get smited in singles, so that was like a 600m pvmer
warm spire
hot take but they shouldn’t ban all the bots
just only the high level ones. i’d rather have my resources cheap
obsidian venture
I hate poor minded folks in general
wheat lake
Bruh
hard axle
obsidian venture
Need stuff to go up
warm spire
- increased revenue for jagex, less Chance of mtx in osrs
hard axle
I'd rather pay 30k an anglerfish if that's what it was
wheat lake
But no 1b risk?
minor whale
These have gone from "hot takes" to just outright bait
warm spire
kick out bots and next thing you know we have loot boxes
wheat lake
Indeed
gaunt minnow
just only the high level ones. i’d rather have my resources cheap
But your gp is worth less because of the bots bringing in bills daily
There’s no benefit to you having bots in this game
hard axle
Jagex would technically make more money by banning bots regularly, right as they break even.
warm spire
id rather gp be worth less than deal with mtx bc of loss of revenue
hard axle
So...
obsidian venture
MTX is a non issue
minor whale
The reason bots exist is because people buy gold from them
Jagex is losing money by those people buying 3rd party gold instead of official sources via bonds
gaunt minnow
id rather gp be worth less than deal with mtx bc of loss of revenue
That’s not how it works 😂😭
warm spire
their current system works great
minor whale
This argument is so stupid
gaunt minnow
It’s not bots or mtx pal
minor whale
And it's always been stupid
obsidian venture
Never cook again
minor whale
And Jagex has said it's stupid
And that anyone who says it has no idea how business works
obsidian venture
hard axle
It’s not bots or mtx pal
yeah like, jagex literally has said they understand they cannot mtx beyond bonds
saying "if we ban bots, we get loot boxes" is just dumb
gaunt minnow
I genuinely believe that anyone who thinks jagex wants bots in this game needs to go back to school and has an under developed brain
No troll
minor whale
They've also said explicitly that bots cost them more money than they generate in membership fees
warm spire
yikes
vivid ruin
Bots destroy game integrity
minor whale
Several devs have said if they had a magic "delete all bots" button they'd push it
vivid ruin
Y farm vork if superior bones are 5k each
hard axle
Jagex would sooner do "buy 5 bonds, get 1 free" for OSRS than loot boxes because discount pricing is a model that works
And make it easier to sell bonds cuz rn you can only sell 1 per slot
warm spire
agree to disagree
hard axle
sure
warm spire
i don’t mind
warm spire
wow
wheat lake
Still voting no on wildy rework
obsidian venture
Theorycrafting mtx or bot stuff is useless
That’s fine to vote no
But they did mention the new voting system
So your vote could change to an opinion instead
So it would be less impactful
vivid ruin
Was that in game jam
obsidian venture
No
wheat lake
So your vote could change to an opinion instead
That's how you get rs3 all over again 🤪
obsidian venture
This was already rolled out
obsidian venture
That's how you get rs3 all over again 🤪
No
vivid ruin
Nice
obsidian venture
J mods have been always against going that route
warm spire
not a fan of the current voting system anyways
obsidian venture
They are at least consistent on that front
vivid ruin
There definitely shouldnt be a majority rule over every aspect of the game
obsidian venture
Voting system just changed
And only had 2 polls
One was an opinion survey
One was voted
warm spire
they should further restrict accounts that can vote in my opinion
wheat lake
Just as long as they arent books worth of voting
obsidian venture
So a useless pvmer/iron who doesn’t pk won’t have much of a say in certain wildy stuff, which is a good
warm spire
should be restricted based on ehp and ehb
obsidian venture
However if there’s pvm stuff in the wildy, you will
Useless metrics
Well
Ehb is
Gz on mass Callisto in the wildy case
wheat lake
So a useless pvmer/iron who doesn’t pk won’t have much of a say in certain wildy...
Again. Toxic
obsidian venture
Not at all
It’s true but if you feel some type of way, that’s unfortunate
As it wasn’t intended towards you
Mind you, I pvm way more than I pk
wheat lake
Its a mass portion of the player base
obsidian venture
Pking is something I do when I’m burnt
warm spire
i just don’t play when i’m burnt
wheat lake
Unlucky for the portion that doesnt want the devs to cater to that part
vivid ruin
A chunk of the player base being useless afking skillers shouldnt be able to vote on most things in the game
hard axle
ehb as a whole doesn't work as a metric because they've fucked it with callisto and mass nex
solo callisto is 5x slower than 10-man callisto, which is done in private teams by cloggers for elites
warm spire
better than having reddit make everything pass the polls
hard axle
fair fair
obsidian venture
Sure
hard axle
just treat it all as mass ngl
and that solves it 
I think it's fine if it's low enough just to show some proficiency
since someone whose never touched CG shouldn't get a say how CG gets rebalanced
but if u demand 1k ehb to vote, eh..
runic sedge
As a being a proud clan leader of "308 Bolters" - We highly vote yes for multy revenant caves
hard axle
As a being a proud clan leader of "308 Bolters" - We highly vote yes for multy r...
yeah... u go away 
obsidian venture
If you rag then no
wheat lake
Goes completely against what jagex said they wouldnt do when changing things against what the player base wanted
obsidian venture
Should pay a ml to enter
wheat lake
After eoc
At that point it'd only be the devs that know best on what ought to be released
gaunt minnow
That's how you get rs3 all over again 🤪
Yeah because the way we’re doing it now is great right
Every single non pvp poll passes regardless of what’s written down
And 90% of pvp polls fail
wheat lake
They could go through propositions the players provide rather than trying to force a watered down version of thier initial design
hard axle
As a being a proud clan leader of "308 Bolters" - We highly vote yes for multy r...
But no troll, I'm not a huge fan of the 18-21 wildy focus that they still want to keep.
I think the ability to teleblock/teleport from the wilderness should be removed, but you add 20+ more safe zones.
wheat lake
^bit obscure, but player provided idea
I'd be down with removing teleports/teleblock, if they made some kind of method of breaking out of a stun/freeze other than just sitting and waiting
Or bringing flowers to a move a space
runic sedge
As a being a proud clan leader of "308 Bolters" - We highly vote yes for multy revenant caves
hard axle
The counter play is dd log
That's why I want more safe zones and remove tb
the whole tp/log dynamic is annoying to balance
just make it so if they escape to a safe zone, they're free
hard axle
I'd be down with removing teleports/teleblock, if they made some kind of method ...
that's why i dont want to add a freeze-break pot and prefer just more safezones
it's either too weak or too strong
modest dust
As being a member of clan "308 Bolters" - We highly vote yes for multy revenant caves
hard axle
think 20 ferox enclaves, but on a smaller scale
wheat lake
it's either too weak or too strong
Freeze break potion w/a 30 second cool down
grim gull
As being a member of clan "308 Bolters" - We highly vote yes for multy revenant ...
the poll is in-game in case u didn't know
wheat lake
LOL
modest dust
I will make my voice heard
wheat lake
Just not loudly
modest dust
yeah didnt know I couldnt do that 😄
analog crow
Indoor voice please
modest dust
My opinion: Make it happen, wilderness been so underprioritized and this will make it more active again
analog crow
I'd like to see a fundamental rework of the wildy
Maybe that's just because I don't have any nostalgia for the pre-eoc wildy though
vivid ruin
I'd like to see a fundamental rework of the wildy
Maybe that's just because I do...
The wildy is a huge part of the game that is constantly ignored like a redhead stepchild. All things that would benefit the wildy tremendously: Bring back multi revs, nuke pj timer, ability to deactivate def raising attack styles, don’t add a teleporting delay on restock, pls stop listening to streamers on everything pvpwise+ reduce the worlds where wildy is open, expand the wildy map, add more building structure, add singles ++ between multi and singles.
hard axle
I'd like to see a fundamental rework of the wildy
Maybe that's just because I do...
Yup, that's more what im leaning towards since 30- and 30+ are balanced differently due to tp/tb
There's a reason why basically every pet hunter did Artio/Spindel/Calv after they were released over their elder counterparts 
modest dust
The wildy is a huge part of the game that is constantly ignored like a redhead s...
amen
analog crow
The wildy is a huge part of the game that is constantly ignored like a redhead s...
I just want wildy to be a place people want to go, and not a place people begrudgingly drag their feet to to do a quest or clue step
vivid ruin
I think pvping is always going to have people who dont like dying
It is what it is
This same phenomenon takes place in games like arc raiders
modest dust
While we on this discussion, can we remove skull prevention too?
hard axle
I just want wildy to be a place people want to go, and not a place people begrud...
Tbf, people will always think like this regardless of the game you play
gaunt minnow
I just want wildy to be a place people want to go, and not a place people begrud...
That would look like removing all incentive to go there though unless you’re looking for a fight
And without the pvmers there won’t be any PKers to fight
Unless there was a massive overhaul
fossil epoch
So is this Jagex defining whats early/mid/late/end game? surely thats making someone mad
restive siren
has made plenty of people mad already dw
tacit wharf
people are always mad
fossil epoch
Its fun when people are mad though
gaunt minnow
I’m mad
fossil epoch
Currently i am perma stuck in earlygame because my iron has not done CG
or thats what i have been told
gaunt minnow
Sounds like you need to get into that red prison!
fossil epoch
Got Tbow and Shadow, i dont see why i would ever need a bowfa 
gaunt minnow
Levi
fossil epoch
Nah its worse then cbows after they made the heavy ammo change
fossil epoch
Regular tob being lategame and Duke being Endgame kinda funny though
gaunt minnow
Because that would’ve been hell without bowfa
fossil epoch
I had tbow before bowfa was released, and i was on a break from the game when it released. Now im moreso not going there because its a meme that irons are earlygame until bowfa
gaunt minnow
Ye I’m hella dry on the bow too
But we move
Maybe I’ll have the raids 4 mega rare spooned 🤷🏻♂️
hard axle
So is this Jagex defining whats early/mid/late/end game? surely thats making som...
I think it’s fair aside from normal DT2 bosses
Still wish awakeneds had a reason to grind them 
Cmon Jagex, do the same as Yama contracts with Orbs
fossil epoch
Yeh i guess yama and dt2 has the harder versions, cuz i have seen quite a few people calling yama midgame, which i dont think jagex would put reg yama at
obsidian venture
So is this Jagex defining whats early/mid/late/end game? surely thats making som...
Me
hard axle
base yama isn't harder than CG imo
fossil epoch
First thought here was "no way they will start showing your death count on a boss" but of course its just your kc
obsidian venture
Actually have to be fingerless for some of these placements
fossil epoch
Fuck that would be funny though
hard axle
First thought here was "no way they will start showing your death count on a bos...
no no
show the deaths
hazy plover
How soon is "very soon" on the cow boss 👀
tacit wharf
this month, ive heard
merry finch
They should just not make any statements on the game level of a boss besides ones that are intentionally introductory. Separate them by the type of boss they are and let people decide for themselves when they're ready to approach it. Part of the experience is trying stuff and learning if you're ready for it.
merry finch
How soon is "very soon" on the cow boss 👀
COW WHEN
sacred oracle
showing the deaths would be hilarious
i've often wondered how much i've died at bosses without a bulletin board outside the lair that shows stats
austere mulch
this month, ive heard
Missed opportunity to say herd
prime vault
meager flame
Multi isn't bullying, it's a way of balancing easy as hell moneymakers
Tbf it doesn’t balance them it just changes who banks the items
Thats the main problem with revs when they’re good at the end of the day
I feel like manked kinda threw in the blog slightly when talking about bots like oh who cares they’ll be banned why not make some gp
When a lot of people just don’t like them because it prints items for free lol it doesn’t matter who sold the items ultimately
Interesting strat though we’ll just have to see how well the “ahh who cares bots will be bots” explanation goes lol
wheat lake
Tbf it doesn’t balance them it just changes who banks the items
My thoughts exactly. Making it multi does nothing but allow people to gang up on pvmers in rags
hard axle
I feel like manked kinda threw in the blog slightly when talking about bots like...
Manked is still under the assumption that low level wildy can be balanced, multi or not.
(it can't)
meager flame
I also think his explanation of groups locking stuff down is really lacking but that might go under the radar
tacit wharf
multi revs were indeed locked down by clans
meager flame
Like those deep wild entrances and how there totally won’t be a gang of dudes in rags at the door
That just don’t pay fee
hard axle
I also think his explanation of groups locking stuff down is really lacking but ...
I don't think this is an issue because people already held each other hostage when an activity is that popular.
Unless it has an instance, you will be competing for resources or availability
meager flame
Ya but his whole idea is that it won’t be worth it to pay the 100k which is funny
hard axle
A big enough clan could hold down every single artio/calv/spindel cave and jack it up
tacit wharf
My thoughts exactly. Making it multi does nothing but allow people to gang up on...
allows groups of 2-5 people to kill them together, either waiting for other smalls groups to pk them so they can anti-them, or places for smaller teams to tread into looking for other small teams
meager flame
But they can just choose to not pay 100k
wheat lake
allows groups of 2-5 people to kill them together, either waiting for other smal...
If youre a main
tacit wharf
to which that team that refuses to pay, gets cleared, and the other walks away with the spoils
well no dah if yr a main, this isnt for irons going into multi revs
that would make 0 sense
wheat lake
Right, but it still effects irons
tacit wharf
which is why its only a part of the cave
wheat lake
Entrance fee waived for irons?
tacit wharf
no our death fee is lowered
wheat lake
?
tacit wharf
why would our entrance fee be waived
wheat lake
Higher risk for no higher benefit of increased pk activity?
hard axle
no our death fee is lowered
yep, kinda dumb ever since entry and death fees can be taken from death coffer, which items are price at GE value
1 dupe could last you 2x as long as mains for irons
save raw gp for con or throne
wheat lake
Rev caves entrance fees come from death coffer?
hard axle
Rev caves entrance fees come from death coffer?
This one might be different because the gp is dropped to the pker, but in general, entry fees and death fees prio from death coffer first,
which is really stupid given death coffer gives irons the GE price for dupe
while charging half per death
graceful jungle
so the rev cave is the most controversial part of this poll right
hard axle
ye
graceful jungle
i just wanna make sure the levels part is gonna pass i like being able to see people below and above
that should just be in the game
i never been in the rev cave so i dont really have a opinion on that
tacit wharf
which is really stupid given death coffer gives irons the GE price for dupe
typically because $$ is harder to come by for an iron, as they cant unload items on the ge for it
wheat lake
typically because $$ is harder to come by for an iron, as they cant unload items...
Or mass pk pvmers for it
wheat lake
^ terrible reasoning
tacit wharf
u dont wanna get pked, then fight back
wheat lake
For what?
tacit wharf
so u dont die
wheat lake
Run easier
tacit wharf
these arent hard concepts
graceful jungle
i dont see a issue with keeping wildy a pvp area
tacit wharf
again, its only part of the cave
if u dont want to go multi and get bullied by "clans" then stay in the singles part
wheat lake
Cute how you think that will only keep them on that side
tacit wharf
cute how u think it wont
wheat lake
Bruh they're called rats for a reason
graceful jungle
yeah so idk about revs thats up for yall to talk about im just saying on a surface level i think the entire wildy should be singles only
tacit wharf
thats dumb as hell
first of all, nuking the multi clanning community
2nd, letting giga max pkers have the run of the entire wilderness
which is bad for everyone
singles is already the safest its ever been for them
graceful jungle
a gigamax player can still make a mistake you can come back from, but im not coming back from 3 or 4 people hitting me at once
wheat lake
I'd rather run from one maxer than 10 dudes with freezes
graceful jungle
how do i outplay getting jumped lmao
tacit wharf
by not going in multi
wheat lake
And thus with that logic, the wildy remains broken. Cause then people dont go to wildy and it dies
It just becomes open world bounty hunter at that point
Is k cause there's no way its passing. Only benefit goes to pk clans and mains
tacit wharf
really hard to have a conversation with people who do nothing but play the victim
wheat lake
XD
graceful jungle
All I want is a fair one I’ll fight multiple people one after the other
minor whale
People being afraid of dying and thus not going into the Wildy is not more reason to make the Wildy safer and safer
People still won't go in even when it's safer and then they'll pwomise just 1 more thing to make it safer and they'll totally go in the Wildy more and then once that's done they'll say "that's not good enough but 1 more and I'll totally go into the Wildy"
graceful jungle
Just not at once
wheat lake
really hard to have a conversation with people who do nothing but play the victi...
I'll use your logic, if its too hard to have the conversation, then dont have it
graceful jungle
You can have better gear and be higher level I’m cool w that just shoot me a one on one that’s all
I think if they polled that most people would agree
minor whale
But the vast majority of the Wildy is in singles
Even the bosses have singles-only versions for people scared of multi
wheat lake
I dont even think there's an issue with multi, but make new content in it. Dont try and dei your way into making everything have some sort of multi in it
minor whale
Just going off "if you polled this it'd pass" isn't a solid way of saying something is good for the game
If you polled giving every ironman over 1000 total levels a tbow it'd probably pass but that doesn't mean it's good lmao
minor whale
I dont even think there's an issue with multi, but make new content in it. Dont ...
You know that revs were originally multi right
wheat lake
Yes
static zealot
Just going off "if you polled this it'd pass" isn't a solid way of saying someth...
lmao no it wouldn't, what a dogass strawman
minor whale
This isn't "rehashing old content into multi"
wheat lake
And what happened there
minor whale
It was content that WAS multi
That got neutered
And now they're trying to reintroduce it
In an entirely optional area
true talon
Trying to brid fight people who sip brew every hit is not fun, which is why in dmm I dds rush people.
minor whale
Why
true talon
I’d like less rev caves not more
minor whale
Because in what way is a new area for multi different from a new area for multi with a different entrance
That's probably the dumbest thing I've heard
true talon
How about making other parts of the wilderness worth going to
wheat lake
A different cave system
minor whale
They're entirely reworking the caves and making a separate area of it that's multi
wheat lake
LOL how so
wheat lake
How about making other parts of the wilderness worth going to
Also valid
static zealot
It would increase the friction for the multi players going to the singles area, so fewer of them would do so? this is game design 101
minor whale
Why do you care if the multi players go singles if you guys say you don't mind singles lmao
static zealot
I dont even think it's a good idea, but it would obviously reduce clans going to singles
minor whale
Clans going to singles is not a problem though
It's singles
There's no benefit to going singles as a clan
static zealot
sure, but if all you have to do to check if there's a juicy PvMer in the singles area waiting to be popped is jump over an agility shortcut or walk 10 tiles west, they will lmao
wheat lake
In general it is, something that had some pk activity will increase. Clans now have incentives to camp entrances
If you want multi, whats wrong with your own cave system
I know whats wrong... no one will be there but other clans. And its had to 5v1 someone when there is always 5 of em there
modest dust
Bring back old revs
wheat lake
Bring back old revs
Roaming the wildy?
modest dust
Peak multi pk
wheat lake
Seen how that ended
static zealot
this rev caves proposal is the PvP equivalent of the "split dwarf cannon and ship cannonballs into separate categories" it's the thinnest of bandaids, it solves absolutely nothing in the long term
modest dust
Sure it doesnt but its a step in the right direction
wheat lake
Aside from bots
modest dust
Whens the last significant wildy update?
wheat lake
They tried to do wildy worm but people pooped over that one
modest dust
Tragic state atm
minor whale
It ended with an unpolled change to how it works due to "but the bots" while ignoring there's bots in every facet of the game and Wildy bots were far more easily interrupted than the Zulrah bots
They should just unpolled change it back since the unpolled changed it originally
wheat lake
Ip ban a bot an all accounts that use that ip address at the moment of the ban
minor whale
Sure, if they could do that that'd be great
wheat lake
How so, they know where you log in from
tacit wharf
Ip ban a bot an all accounts that use that ip address at the moment of the ban
doesnt work, virtual environments makes this not possible
minor whale
Jagex has said multiple times they can't do that, and without kernel level access to anticheats they don't want to punish real players when Virtual Environments make it easy to spoof
tacit wharf
u want people to just bugger off a game, go introduce kernal level anti-cheat
which btw, also doesnt work
wheat lake
Lol side note, battlefield 6 wanted that
modest dust
Elaborate
wheat lake
I dont wanna lose my stuff when I dont have to?
minor whale
Skull Prevention is fine lol
wheat lake
You risk everything but 3 items
modest dust
Why make it easier for the sake of ”pvm”
wheat lake
Why make it easier for the sake of "pking"
true talon
Why make it easier for the sake of ”pvm”
Why make it easier to skull trick victims
modest dust
Defeats the purpose of wilderness
wheat lake
Pvm is why they are there
minor whale
If you're anti skull prevention you're one of "those" pkers who thinks trying to fight back within the confines of the game means you should always be afraid you're gonna be tricked by someone named iiiiiIiiiI instead of iiiiIiiiI
restive siren
sir, a new worst opinion just hit the discord
modest dust
Why make it easier for the sake of "pking"
Because u step in the wilderness
U Can get pked
U might lose ur items
minor whale
Yeah and getting pked doesn't entail being skulled when you don't intend to
wheat lake
Save 3
minor whale
Unless you're just afraid of people fighting back so you want to discourage it
true talon
As previous skull tricker who made billions at revs, skull prevent has saved me a lot on my Ironman lol
wheat lake
Unless someone scams you out of em
true talon
So I’m glad it’s there
hard axle
typically because $$ is harder to come by for an iron, as they cant unload items...
tbh, this isn't an issue ever because by the time u have gear worth 500k death costs, you should have dupes already to sacrifice at GE value
modest dust
So the whole motive now has shifted to it being a ”scam” if someone skulls up
minor whale
They're never going to remove Skull Prevention lmao
hard axle
1 BCP covers like 80 max deaths
minor whale
If you try to get someone to skull when they clearly aren't intended to?
Yeah pretty much
modest dust
Wilderness
wheat lake
Yeah there are tricks into getting people to skull unintentionally
hard axle
skull prevention is fine lol
modest dust
Is not safe
wheat lake
Except for 3 items
minor whale
Sorry bud they're never changing that lmao
hard axle
nah, its called a bitch move when you swarm someone in singles and try to get them to skull on ur friend by misclicking
true talon
tbh, this isn't an issue ever because by the time u have gear worth 500k death c...
Corp would cost me an ely worth of death fees
hard axle
like fuck no
modest dust
Always been that way, now lets make it easier for pvmers to go in and 3 item pvm without worrying about anything
minor whale
You're just asking to make it easier to trick/scam people I don't think anyone's gonna go for that except other pieces of shit lol
restive siren
Is not safe
yeah and skull prevention does nothing to stop you from pvping or getting killed
modest dust
Defeats the purpose of wilderness
hard axle
Always been that way, now lets make it easier for pvmers to go in and 3 item pvm...
im gonna be honest, u and the other folks make me question if ur a redditor psyops
wheat lake
Bruh you gotta make an incentive to pvm in wildy
hard axle
because u make wildy harder to get updates
minor whale
Defeats the purpose of wilderness
Damn sounds like you should stay out of it then if you don't like it :/
hard axle
by being braindead
static zealot
Is not safe
why not just remove the 3 item protection then? the wild on all worlds is treated as high risk. That way you don't have to skull trick to get those 3 items, you just get them. Or is it that you want to take advantage of players thinking they will protect 3 items via game mechanics, by tricking them into losing those 3 items?
true talon
minor whale
Oh joined today lmao
true talon
This guy spent 1b or more on deaths at corp
wheat lake
Cause then the only people going in would just be to pk
hard axle
Oh joined today lmao
minor whale
Excellent bait already
modest dust
Damn sounds like you should stay out of it then if you don't like it :/
I roam free and about, but Im always aware of what I bring
static zealot
Cause then the only people going in would just be to pk
to be clear, I don't want that lmao, I'm playing in the space with the skull tricker
minor whale
You just sound like you don't like people fighting back, you should just try to get better instead of discouraging them from fighting back
hard axle
You just sound like you don't like people fighting back, you should just try to ...
like seriously, it's stupid to argue against skull prevention now when the alternative was to "not fight back" as to avoid skull tricking off of teams who would swarm someone in singles
the opponent not fighting back is the biggest boon for a pker
modest dust
Up to each individual to be aware of of their actions in the wilderness
wheat lake
I dont even mind fighting back, I just wish it involved more than just specing them out when they least expect it from 70-0
hard axle
then let the wildy die with then cuz ur unable to compromise on literal basics
modest dust
Thats the whole point of wilderness LOL
wheat lake
Thats the whole point of wilderness LOL
Naw, thats what you think the whole point of the wilderness is
minor whale
Up to each individual to be aware of of their actions in the wilderness
"I suck at pking and desperately need people to stop fighting me because I can't handle them not being afraid of skulling"
hard axle
people like u are what's wrong with the wildy community because u can't deviate from the same pvp rhetoric and actually form concrete points
minor whale
I pk frequently and think skull trickers and people wanting skull prevention back are just objectively stupid people lmao
modest dust
"I suck at pking and desperately need people to stop fighting me because I can't...
If thats what u think Im coming from all G 😭
modest dust
Also lets remove the PJ timer aswell
minor whale
Multi revs cool
More reasons to multi cool
Wildy rejuv actually listening to pkers cool
Asking for skull prevention to be removed is rank 1 stupid idea for a healthy Wildy lmao
modest dust
Im going old school
static zealot
Up to each individual to be aware of of their actions in the wilderness
"I want the knowledge gap to make getting into PvP an insurmountable obstacle, causing the eventual death of the playstyle, so I can farm loot pinatas for a few months"
minor whale
Go to a bh world have fun
modest dust
Not two worlds exclusive for it the be applicable
wheat lake
Ya know I'd even be down with multi, as contradicting as this has all been, if rev weapons increased significantly in drop rate
minor whale
Not two worlds exclusive for it the be applicable
Damn that sucks
They're still not gonna change it back lmao
tacit wharf
and none below 30-
honestly doesnt even need to be that high, they can set the cooldown on teleports to (x) amount of time out of combat
modest dust
Im letting it be known, ik Jagex gives no fucks about it bcuz they alrdy ruined the wildy
It is what it is
static zealot
jagex ruined PvP when they made it opt out back in RSC amirite
modest dust
Man its painful
tacit wharf
painful is listening to both extreme's and being in the middle
static zealot
edgeville being empty instead of full of pkers flaming each other is a breath of fresh air
static zealot
yknow, I think the only appropriate way to respond to your johns is: sit
modest dust
😆
tacit wharf
This is completely irrelevant but seeing edge completely empty
i do think they should remove ge and lumby pvp spots in pvp worlds
modest dust
i do think they should remove ge and lumby pvp spots in pvp worlds
Yup lets bring back no actual loots from killing someone and getting medallions too
tacit wharf
no im serious
hard axle
painful is listening to both extreme's and being in the middle
yup, 
static zealot
i do think they should remove ge and lumby pvp spots in pvp worlds
why would this do anything? the activity would just move to some other safe area
tacit wharf
it causes a bit of confusion with those differences between pvp worlds and dmm world
hard axle
if u have to have a specific world for it, then it clearly isn't balanced
static zealot
oh I see. yeah sure I guess that makes sense, they can pk between the GE and west bank ig
tacit wharf
this makes making a "dangerous" map for pvp/dmm easier as they'd be the same then
want to test if a place is dangerous, go to a pvp world and check
static zealot
that's still an ass way of getting information that should be easy to get, but I can see the value in the consistency
unique vale
IMO I think we can take skull prevention a step further
I think my attacker should be highlighted so that I can actually see who's bolting me amid the swarm of bees
static zealot
or jagex could just relax the restrictions on Entity hider so a plugin could do it
tacit wharf
like a blinking blue arrow over their head
unique vale
like a blinking blue arrow over their head
Yes
scarlet dawn
Or you can just toggle auto-retaliation and see where you're going
unique vale
Auto retaliate is stinky and gets me murdered 90% of the time
static zealot
yeah in order for auto retaliate to work properly you have to do nothing for 3 ticks lmao
unique vale
Plus you can't auto-retaliate with an ice barrage unless you're a god at setting up auto-casts on the fly
modest dust
Plus you can't auto-retaliate with an ice barrage unless you're a god at setting...
Damn Im a certified beast then
unique vale
Because wilderness rules are stupid and don't make sense
modest dust
Ty boss
modest dust
Does this go into my achievement diary?
unique vale
Yes
modest dust
Awesome
unique vale
Elite "no life" diary
unique vale
How does losing your autocast setting when switching weapons benefit PvP?
scarlet dawn
Avoids easyscape
restive storm
How does losing your autocast setting when switching weapons benefit PvP?
skill expression
scarlet dawn
But here we are with skulltrick prevention
unique vale
"Easyscape"
tacit wharf
when did that add that btw?
was that part of the mage prayer no longer 1/2 tb/bind spells
restive storm
mage prayer never 1/2d bind spells did it?
tacit wharf
it was, at least normal bind spells
scarlet dawn
Think it did
tacit wharf
but there wasnt as long of a rebind grace period
hard axle
Or you can just toggle auto-retaliation and see where you're going
u lose ticks cuz autoretal isn't instant
unique vale
It should come back IMO, especially for freezes
restive storm
It should come back IMO, especially for freezes
far too op
unique vale
Being stuck for 30 seconds is worse
hard axle
yeah and mage has super low accuracy
hard axle
it would kill freeze log as well yes
tacit wharf
good
unique vale
I'll take it
restive storm
it would kill freeze log as well yes
not necessarily it wouldnt
unique vale
I think logging mid-fight is stupid anyways
tacit wharf
ive said it before, singles atm, is far to safe
restive storm
wayyyyy too safe
tacit wharf
and part of that reason is freeze step under log
restive storm
like 99% of that reason, if we're gonna stick w/ the pj timer
restive storm
do u know how much streamers are gonna screech if you remove freeze logging tho? The brew counters/Angs haters are gonna riot
unique vale
Just add the DMM logout delay
scarlet dawn
I dont grasp why defence level plays a part in the formula for the magic defence roll
unique vale
Because if it wasn't, Magic would be OP
It'd be like the special stat from gen 1 Pokemon
tacit wharf
havent looked at the formula's but would assume any dmg is calced against (specific style def) + player def vs opponents offense (specific style offense) + player (attacking skill)
unique vale
I think for magic it's the average between your magic level and defense level
scarlet dawn
Because if it wasn't, Magic would be OP
Why though, mains already benefit from cheap gears that boost magic defence bonus by a lot
unique vale
Because if it was exclusively based on magic, Pures would be as tanky as a main when it comes to mage despite having a much lower combat level
restive storm
pures are an oppressed class anyway throw em a bone
tacit wharf
no
unique vale
No
restive storm
yep
tacit wharf
they shoulda keep their teeth
unique vale
You play a restricted account, so you get restricted
restive storm
except for irons who now are gonna have the rev boss changed for them too
scarlet dawn
You play a restricted account, so you get restricted
Thats true ofc, its just the way the formulas have been created. Range for example doesn't look at your range level. And for magic its both defence and magic.
unique vale
True. Range looks at your defense level, so by that logic mage should look exclusively at defense too
hard axle
They're accurate enough
they're 45-55% accuracy and 5t per attempt
restive storm
yeah theyre horrible lol
unique vale
Why does it feel higher when I'm the one getting frozen then? 
hard axle
