game-update

[frail bough]

but 60% save rate is more than double ammo output

what am i missing

[meager flame]

buff just not big enough

it should've been both

and it would still be worse than our other ammo

by a lot

[mint stratus]

Yet another upgrade between huey hide and black dhide? A unique passive would be nice.. Just SOMETHING that isn't just "Huey hide but worse but also easier to get"

[zinc galleon]

i don't even know why they're polling it, it's a new skill they should just tune it how they see fit

[meager flame]

they really want ammo to be ass for sailing but people generally just don't want those problems

they're polling it because they probably dont even want to improve it very much

lol like

cannonballs on a ship disregarding that you have two cannons firing at once potentially

are almost 20 times less efficient than arrows per bar if you math it out with an 80% avas etc

because you make so few per bar then can't pick up or recover the cannonballs

they basically set the bar so low that they can offer seemingly massive crazy buffs and it will still suck

[zinc galleon]

i haven't looked at poll results in totality, did new sea expansion pass?

[meager flame]

yeah everything but the dwarven cannonball rename passed

[zinc galleon]

GG xd

i think they should have waited on that

and do stuff with what they got

[meager flame]

ya now they're completely changing directions and giving a 60% avas which is also good but ultimately

choosing a new hill to die on not wanting to add a new facility slot for it

as if not having the avas effect for your combat boat is optional

[chrome lantern]

Cannonballs are already split between dwarven (steel and granite) and sailing (everything else)

There was no need to make the change

They can still do literally everything they planned to do with the other tiers of cannonballs other than the steel one that people don't use for sailing

[meager flame]

they could've based on the poll question yeah

but they chose to take the first question as saying no to the entire concept

[chrome lantern]

Which doesn't make sense

[meager flame]

even though wording wise someone might have assumed the rename and the skilling change were separate

[chrome lantern]

And if that was their intent then they're even worse at communicating than I thought

Yeah

I would never have related those questions whatsoever

And if people did know that then there was a 0% chance that question would ever fail lmao

It would have high 90% like the question below it that said they should improve cannonball aquisition and quantities

[meager flame]

its funny bc i think the blog wording actually makes more sense

but the actual poll is probably a large part of why it failed

[chrome lantern]

The winter summit blog?

[meager flame]

https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/sailing-into-2026?oldschool=1

this one if you scroll down to where it says cannonballs

[chrome lantern]

They're just conflating unrelated topics though

[meager flame]

if they had added more detail to question 20 instead of making it look like 22 was the skilling changes and 20 was the name it might have been different

[chrome lantern]

Cannonball production for sailing has nothing to do with cannonball production for Dwarf multicannon already

[meager flame]

yeah i know

thats why i said i felt high after reading the blog lmao

[chrome lantern]

Even reading the cannonball section the word "therefore" in one location is the only thing that even remotely links the questions

[meager flame]

unfortunately due to you not liking our naming convention we will be unable to change totally unrelated aspects of the game

the lore masters have declined to make cannonballs better

i am sorry

[chrome lantern]

We recognise that getting Cannonballs in sufficient quantities has been a pain point since launch. We added the Ancient Forge to speed up the smithing of cannonballs, but you've told us that the real problem is the amount of cannonballs per metal bar. Therefore we would like to separate the cannonballs used for the Dwarven Multicannon away from the cannonballs used for Sailing. The existing steel and granite cannonballs would be renamed to Dwarven cannonballs and Dwarven granite cannonballs respectively.

Remove that one word and absolutely nothing at all says the questions are even related

[meager flame]

but yeah i think they could've been more clear with people very easily

specifically on the poll

[chrome lantern]

The following three paragraphs have nothing related to that paragraph at all other than saying they would have a non-quest-locked cannonball mould

And could be easily interpreted, and more obviously interpreted, as a separate subject since they are an entirely separate question

[meager flame]

i would just be interested in knowing how many people voted yes to 20 then saw 22 and changed 20 to no

theres no way to know but that would tell you how many people it confused

roughly

[sacred oracle]

Unless I'm missing something, this wording seems pretty clear to me

[chrome lantern]

It's clear wording about separating the cannonballs

But not clear about that having any impact on the other questions

[sacred oracle]

I'm not sure I follow. If I read this, I would assume it refers to the entire idea that was proposed.

[chrome lantern]

No, because there's a separate question for that

[meager flame]

specifically the part where it says "increasing them from skilling and cannonball shop stocks"

would probably confuse people

[sacred oracle]

It didn't confuse me. That part only referred to shops and whatnot, right? That's what I took it to mean, and the other question I took to mean the thing about splitting up the cannonballs.

[meager flame]

mostly because i think the person that wrote that was partially confused themselves

[meager flame]

because there were only two skilling methods mentioned of getting cannonballs

that being smithing and thieving

but if you were just talking about thieving why would you say skilling vaguely

instead of just stealing from stalls

to be clear with people

[chrome lantern]

Skilling is cannonball production

[meager flame]

so

people probably read that question and assumed it meant both smithing and thieving methods

and tbh

the person that wrote it probably did the same thing

probably on accident

[chrome lantern]

I'll be real Thieving them is so bad that I didn't even consider that in my mind when I voted on that question most likely, skilling to me was the most direct possible word other than "smelting" or "smithing" that they could have used to refer to making the cannonballs themselves

The intent is to make the thieving not-bad but yeah

[meager flame]

yeah i mean it leads you into it like im sure the person writing the question was lead to a similar confusion

"would you like us to explore improvements to the sources of cannonballs as described in the blog (increasing them from skilling and cannonball shop stocks)?" immediately after hitting you with paragraphs of how to improve a skilling method for it and then mentioning a small and irrelevant skilling method

not quite a trick question but tons of people will assume

[graceful jungle]

Thieving cannonballs would look crazy lmao

[hybrid stone]

Has anyone heard an estimate for the update removing non cannon damage reduction? And do we know if this will come with a drop rate nerf?

[restive siren]

there is no estimate and they didnt say anything about drop rates

well spring is an estimate ig

[tacit wharf]

still dislike they are removing the dmg reduction

[analog crow]

I dunno
The idea that I can shoot a tern with a cannon for massive damage but my bow and arrows hits 3s and 4s is crazy to me

They also haven't acknowledged the ballista revival ideas at all iirc

[tacit wharf]

im torn

[analog crow]

Let us mount a ballista on our ship to remove the ranged dmg reduction!

[meager flame]

it was really easy they just refuse to do the thing that makes the most sense

your weapons shouldn't do less damage

the cannons should just hit like you'd think a cannon would hit

and the npcs you shoot the cannon at should have enough hp for it to make sense

they just had some aversion to bigger numbers because i guess in their mind

sailing combat was supposed to feel like killing cows the first time you ever played the game

and basically never move forward

[chrome lantern]

The only date we've gotten is from the blog today saying "a batch of sailing combat changes early March"

[restive siren]

oh didnt see that

ty

[bronze kernel]

My big question about the new Ava style facility ties back into how they said they'll now allow cannons on the same side.

The first blog sounds like they might be adding in new hotspots to the boat to allow that

There is actually space on the sloop to squeeze 2 more in

[tacit wharf]

they said there isnt

its going to use an existing hotspot

[bronze kernel]

I mean

[tacit wharf]

just because there is visual space, doesnt mean there is actual space for them to add it

[bronze kernel]

We would like to introduce 2 new weapon hotspots on the sloop and expand the gun port in the hull such that it can fit two cannons on either side of the boat.

Almost sounds like they're adding in 2 hotspots

I guess one thing is to allow the Salvaging/Net slots to be used as a cannon slot if they aren't adding in 2 more

[bronze kernel]

Kind of conflicts with what was said about cannons. But it might be referring to adding a new dedicated slot

[tacit wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-day-gif-18564553

got way to much to do, to be makin one of these

[bronze kernel]

Just make it a core boat facility (Do the same to the teleport focus) and call it a day

Jagex, please. I beg. Be more explicit and clear with the intentions

[tacit pendant]

Really needs a ground up rework with clear vision on gameplay loop. This poll makes me a bit nervous that its gonna be one bandaid patch after another until its just good enough

[meager flame]

yeah i dont even think their logic of having limited space is sane

it doesn't need to be a facility slot and there is no standard for what an avas device on a ship would look like in the first place

i dont buy that it couldn't just be a permanent upgrade like the brazier that takes up a very small amount of space visually and cannot even be interacted with directly

and they could place that actually anywhere as long as it was visually connected to the boat

it could even just be something you use on the cannons themselves and they just have a slightly different recolor

thus using exactly 0 space

i just dont get the impression that they're thinking before they say things in a way

[bronze kernel]

I would say maybe like up front near the salvage hooks/nets might be a good spot.

Like an antenna beacon

[meager flame]

like if they're so worried about space

just make it a cannon upgrade

you just use it on the cannon

it looks a little different visually

[bronze kernel]

That might work too. Might even be better

[meager flame]

they could also put it where the inoculation station is and just use that slot as the catch all where you put in all of the random bs for your boat upgrades that you can't cleanly put on it

they wasted a crazy amount of cool space on the boat with that thing too for people who are concerned with space on the ship lol

[frosty olive]

i dont like the island that won. way to rocky.

[bronze kernel]

Details are subject to change at Jagex's discretion.

Said they'll work with the creator about changes made

[frosty olive]

also can we change type a and type b to man and woman. i dont like type a and type b for picking a gener

[ember token]

a gener

[frosty olive]

its offensive to me

[bronze kernel]

Gengar

[meager flame]

i actually think its hilarious that they took issue with the hunter furs being used in the island concept

[bronze kernel]

Dude

[meager flame]

i dont care either way but they desperately want to make sure they're useless

[bronze kernel]

I was just about to bring that up

[tacit pendant]

That was def an insane take

The sword reward being super complicated is more an issue to me

[meager flame]

im just glad that one of the player islands won that shows what islands were supposed to be like

[tacit pendant]

Avas boat device could just be a quest where you put the whatever in the understorage of your boat and u literally never see it

[meager flame]

bro had more content on that island than jagex put on all of the islands they released with sailing combined

because most of them are just landmasses with no purpose

[tacit pendant]

Yeah, and better rewards

[bronze kernel]

Must be a JMods personal vendetta against Hunter?

[tacit pendant]

A heart alternative for irons/poors is better than everything we currently get from sailing

[meager flame]

i truly have no idea lmao

maybe they have like their own pet idea for the future of hunter furs but like

are just dragging their feet forever

[bronze kernel]

75% of the islands we have now are pure filler. Clearly designed for the snowflake accounts. Some islands that have nothing but a charting spot.

[tacit pendant]

Just like Hd

[bronze kernel]

I will say having a Sailing requirement to dock at existing locations is also pure filler content

[tacit pendant]

Chinchompa island unironically has the best geography for foot pedal hunter lmfao

[bronze kernel]

Having soft requirements like the brazier or addy keel I think are fine

[tacit pendant]

Soft requirements way better for immersion

[bronze kernel]

But hard requirements to dock at places you already had access to prior or easily accessible or connected previously through other ways is insulting to me

[tacit pendant]

Its basically just locking you out of tele to boat being useful

Which i guess i get. Kinda.

[bronze kernel]

I mean, I guess there's the whole port task thing. But you can always still keep whatever arbitrary level requirements for those while still removing the others

[tacit pendant]

But tele to boat is really just meh already

Yeah port tasks exist, those need love too. Combats just so fucked its taking the spotlight

[bronze kernel]

Most of the locations already have other teleports or are effectively worthless.

[tacit pendant]

Temple trekking has more variety than port tasks

[bronze kernel]

The only one that can be deemed strong is Lunar Isle

Outside of that, the others are meh

[tacit pendant]

If you werent on arceuss spells most the time tele to boat could be convenient in niche situations

Well theres a tab and i still dont use it

Yeah idk

Maybe in the future

[bronze kernel]

I guess Relleka devalues the boots

And Ecteria devalues the Spirit tree

But meeeh

[hasty shard]

there are tabs

[tacit pendant]

Which would be useful for an iron..... if.... the tele focus wasnt a bitch to get

[tacit pendant]

Yeah i realized mid yap

My b

[hasty shard]

i realised after typing

[bronze kernel]

I honestly think the swap to the bottled storm may have been a last minute change

[hasty shard]

bottled storm is baffling lol

[bronze kernel]

Why does the item that clearly looks like it was meant to be an upgrade to the Wind Catcher

Now a teleport?

The albatross feathers make more sense as a teleport item

(Feathers or birds for flight)

[tacit pendant]

Possible. Seems like a lot was just disorganized as the update was fuckin massive in scope

[hasty shard]

and why was wind catcher like nerfed mid design and split into two things basically

[sullen parrot]

[hasty shard]

gale catcher / crystal extractor

[tacit pendant]

I think they undertuned like, everything, just in case the skill was universally hated so it didnt seem mandatory

🤷‍♀️ 🤷

[bronze kernel]

On the bright side, at least they fixed Crewmate speed boost duration

It felt like griefing yourself not sailing manually

[graceful jungle]

There’s a reason jobless Jim was jobless

[tacit pendant]

Reddit hated this idea but idk why they didnt just let us use bronze and iron balls in our dwarf cannon. Could have made the max hit much lower. Dwarf cannon shooting "up to granite" would have made more sense. And hot take but shops shouldnt have been the solution to ball supply

[bronze kernel]

That was also an indirect buff to Port tasks and grinding for Soup per (Since you now can have the crew sail for you while you hold the cargo which does speed up disembarking).

[meager flame]

they know

like

[bronze kernel]

Also, why introduce creatures with a magic weakness and only have a ranged weapon?

[meager flame]

lmao we just spent actual years debating, suggesting and then implementing several things to stop us from using shops

[bronze kernel]

Why not have magic based cannons too?

[meager flame]

and then they turn around and are like yeah lets just make a shop the single reasonable way to get these

and lets make sure every account type shares that stock

oh and that it restocks slowly

its so intentionally bad its just

idk

[bronze kernel]

The double cannonball speed thing is such a lie too

[tacit pendant]

Double cannonball forge is a joke

[meager flame]

i feel like sailing was designed in 2013 before jagex realized they should fix thousands of things

[bronze kernel]

They could have done something like add a variant of Phials to the dungeon

Something that matches flavorwise

[meager flame]

because conceptually it just rejects common sense in 2026 in a bunch of places

like obviously shops shouldn't be the answer

[bronze kernel]

Not that OP since it only unnotes

[meager flame]

why are dragon cannons 92 sailing is it smithing 2.0?

etc

stuff that obviously isn't correct and everyone has had like almost 30 years to know why

[bronze kernel]

The drop rate of the dragon nails is ridiculous too. As are the sheets

[tacit pendant]

Barrows cannon will require 99!

But yeah there should be a bank or phials by the forge

[bronze kernel]

And TBH, my biggest disappointment was you can't disembark from anywhere near a large body of water

[hasty shard]

why does a random shop have 10000 mithril cannonballs when falador guards cant even get steel armour

[bronze kernel]

I was looking forward to being able to drop my boat and just sail from shore

Or do something stupid like have multiple boats I can hop between to make a bridge from the mainland

[mint rune]

The new plan in the newspost regarding the "Ballistic Attractor" feels like a swing and a miss to me.
I dislike occupying one of our limited facility slots for a feature that feels borderline mandatory on any general use sloop (or other boat, but assuming most will just skip it on the skiff altogether)

[tacit wharf]

why would u use it on a skiff

[mint rune]

Exactly

[tacit wharf]

the skiff isnt a cmb boat

[rigid sonnet]

Why would someone lock their account to a swamp

[tacit wharf]

at least that had the greater entertainment value for others

[tacit pendant]

I dislike not allowing on skiffs, idc that it takes up a slot

If anything if you wanna waste a slot on your skiff you should be allowed to god damnit

But overall theres no reason for it to use a slot

Memey lil combat skiff/raft is funny

[mint rune]

Since its already tied to animal magnetism, why not just add cannonballs to the existing ava devices for boats rather than making sailing more cumbersome than it already is

[tacit pendant]

It should be a new quest

Its lazy and weird how many things we have tied to animal magnetism

[bronze kernel]

To be fair, it's just 3 items and it does make sense. Unless I am missing something

[tacit pendant]

Quiver could have just had ammo saving for example, come up with a varlamore reason for it to do so

Or quiver could have just..... not had charges and used more ammo per hour as a trade off

And then colos money could have been in high level ammo yadayadayada

[bronze kernel]

To be fair, the ammo saving thing is a thing that people are used to for over a decade

[tacit pendant]

I know, just quiver didnt NEED to be tied to ava in any way really

[bronze kernel]

Not having it save ammo wouldn't make it worthwhile unless the extra benefits outweigh that con

Which was minimal

[tacit pendant]

I mean it could have been like slightly worse ammo saving and come to the same end effect

Which is that quiver costs more money per hour on charges. Unless you corrupt

[bronze kernel]

Ava has warped the ranged vape slot progression hard

[tacit pendant]

I am just not a fan of all the diff consumables added every update if you couldnt tell. For example eye of ayak could have just been charged with sunfire splinters too. Demon tears useless addition

[bronze kernel]

If it doesn't have the perk of saving ammo, it has to be ridiculously strong to give that up.

Especially with higher end ammo

Melee and magic doesn't suffer from this.

So you have a lot more wiggle room for what you can do.

[tacit pendant]

Say quiver and its varlamorian tech only saves say 75% compared to assemblers 80%. Quiver IS really strong its a lot of accuracy and an inv slot in some cases

Scythe uses triple blood fury charges

Magic has rune cost balanced per staff/spell.

To say that no other civilization in the world besides ava could have stumbled upon magnets or any other form of saving cannonballs is just lazy

Telegrab is like a standard spell anyways

[tough nacelle]

I gotta say DMM has been a blast, pking is so much fun with these perks and mixing in pvm

Only complaint I have so far is getting attacked breaches sucks

It’s so hard to tell who is hitting you

And on low bracket worlds on a pure you’re getting the shit smacked outta ya by the time you notice

Really should be a better way to isolate who’s hitting you

[nocturne solstice]

a highlight would be nice for sure

it kinda reminds me of the chaos of old mmos though, honestly 90% of the time I cant see anything and im just spam clicking hoping to hit the breach monster

there's just so many players and item names filling up my screen

[bronze kernel]

Breaches are pain

[hasty shard]

ranged is EXPENSIVE without avas its shocking lol

[nocturne solstice]

fr

[hasty shard]

like ammo shops scale 1% per

[bronze kernel]

Since even if they do switch to Top 100

The entire server is there

[nocturne solstice]

shadow is like 700-800 ish per attack right? without ava a dragon arrow is like 2.4k rn

crazy stuff

[bronze kernel]

They should just let you gain points for any damage dealt

[hasty shard]

rune arrows very quickly scale to 1k per

[bronze kernel]

And just make the Top X just there for who gets loot

That's the easiest solution

[nocturne solstice]

agreed

[bronze kernel]

That makes everyone happy

And also doesn't "disturb the flow" of breach resources coming in. But to be honest, don't think that really matters

[nocturne solstice]

Yeah same, make em consumed on use and done problem solved.

[bronze kernel]

Another issue is if you are doing breaches not on Runelite (Like Mobile) and can't see where the bosses are. Especially since overheads and people render over it

[nocturne solstice]

I know the latest ones are like, "you only need one to recolour everything" and they can still do that, just like they did with the capes last time.

[tough nacelle]

Yeah

[bronze kernel]

I tried to do a breach on my lunch break (Since it happens during my break) and it was pain

[tough nacelle]

There’s just too many people for breaches to be fun, the mobs die really fast

[nocturne solstice]

Its consumed at Nigel and he can recolour all your crystal armor and bowfa pieces whenever.

[tough nacelle]

Overall though I definitely think the less punishing death makes it more enjoyable

[bronze kernel]

Maybe do the same with Leagues recolors too

[tough nacelle]

Im out there fighting non stop, tbh more fun than leagues

[nocturne solstice]

Yeah agreed, I gave up on the last DMM way sooner because of the deaths being so punishing.

[bronze kernel]

On a side note

Let the Twisted Blueprint be consumed

[tough nacelle]

I wish more quests were completed VIA the lamps though

[bronze kernel]

I don't want to have that thing rotting in my bank if I want to mess around with a different style

[nocturne solstice]

lmao true

[minor whale]

I think it's not that they don't want everyone to get rewarded points

But their coding is atrocious for the design of breaches

They literally can't reward everyone I'm assuming

You only get points at the end of a kill

And they have to track every single person who dealt damage to it already

They'd have to track every person who did damage + how much damage everyone did + store that constantly changing variable + reward points to the people based on that variable every tick

It'd be worse than when they had to disable clue scrolls on shooting stars because it was checking people's banks and inventories for if they already had a clue...for every tier of clue scroll...per person...per tick

Lmao

[languid ravine]

runescript is pain

[minor whale]

Any time there's some absurd mechanism in game that has super weird interactions I assume it's never because they did it badly, but because the engine is so fucky wucky

[meager flame]

i usually just assume it was some maniac in 2004 before they were a real company

and it was still just people doing shit and nobody knew what was going on

kind of like how osrs was in the first few years it was out lol

[graceful jungle]

Literally and assuming in the same sentence lol

No disrespect its just a head scratcher

[minor whale]

That's not contradictory
Literally doesn't always literally mean literally

Gotta love English

Where the one word that means NO REALLY
No longer means that lmao

[graceful jungle]

English is a trash language in general we have words that sound the same but only mean different things contextually instead of using a separate word for everything

[hard axle]

yes no

no yes

yes no yes

[minor whale]

Alladeen

[hard axle]

yes no really

[minor whale]

You are HIV...alladeen

🙂 🙁 🙂 🙁

[languid ravine]

delete those breaches and put them in a pvm mode

[austere mulch]

I mean, Japanese also has words that are literally the same but mean different things based on context/tone 🤣

Pretty sure every language is funky

[jagged marsh]

Leagues 6 is heavily implied to have breaches

[ember token]

is it?

[bronze kernel]

Why not just award them as you deal damage?

[tender harness]

Where on earth did you hear this

[bronze kernel]

Man, dying to another Yama meatball since you can't see it rendered because of the 300 people is pain

[hard axle]

just dodge with ultra instinct

[chrome lantern]

You can also sail yourself and just let it drift into the docking zone, there’s a setting to keep sailing when leaving helm

[finite tapir]

to be fair this already happens on every npc, to some extent

that's what heropoints is for

the "16 player limit" is just because heropoints only supports 16 players currently

[fallow mortar]

Wait till bro learns every language has that

[jagged marsh]

Hero points sounds like 2004 rs2 jank

Smells of old KQ like old people

[vivid ruin]

Yeah i heard Japanese uses a lot more single words with multiple meanings lol

[analog crow]

A bit, but Japanese suffers mostly from having fewer sounds, so it might not be immediately obvious which word you are speaking even if it's clear in writing.

[graceful jungle]

Well I know you don’t know every language so I’m waiting to find out

[obsidian venture]

[tender harness]

ammo saving facility is going to pass unironically when it has no business passing 😭

[true talon]

why does it matter?

[tender harness]

doesnt fix the overarching problem with cannonballs
current proposed solution is stingy and uses a facility slot instead of acting like eternal brazier

[true talon]

Cannon balls isnt the problem, the problem is the damage reduction on the monsters and the lack of rewards for ship combat. cannon balls add to the problem, because you waste so many trying to deal subpar damage to stuff with drop rates in the 1/1k+

[chrome lantern]

The big tragedy is that they're polling the cannonball facility instead of the other changes that already succeeded polls, because they view the question about splitting cannonballs as saying "no" to the other cannonball changes when they're not really even related questions

[true talon]

Not to mention a single max boat is 88 sheets

I agree the cannon ball saver should be like the eternal brazier

Ship combat right now is like going to farm a monster 100000+ times and it takes 75% reduced damage from everything XD

oh an your protection prayers dont work

[chrome lantern]

This might be controversial but I don't really even think current ship combat is worse than dragon metal sheets

Talking as someone that personally obtained 4 bottled storms from 3700 krakens

[true talon]

Indeed

[true talon]

i was gonna do the ship combat grinds next, but then i saw it was all changing and im just waiting.

[chrome lantern]

I did it because I figured Jagex would just patch all the safespots

[tacit pendant]

My thing with the cannonball split shit is, steel balls already arent relevant for sailing it doesnt matter that much imo

[chrome lantern]

Yeah

That's why the questions weren't really related in anyone's minds

I guarantee if they had said that increases to skilling/drops for cannonball acquisition were reliant on that question

We'd see over 90% yes votes

[tacit pendant]

Higher tier metals could sinply give more balls per bar at the special forge

[chrome lantern]

It was poor question writing, poor blog writing, and poor understanding of the issue

[tacit pendant]

And yeah drops of mith-dragon can be increased if smithing isnt the intended prinary source of balls

[chrome lantern]

There's no need to split dwarven and sailing cannonballs because they're already split; none of the cannonballs other than steel and granite can be used in sailing, so you can freely change literally any other tier

[tacit pendant]

Yup

[chrome lantern]

That's literally the exact reason I voted no

Also polls are way too binary and there's no way to say "I agree with the concept but not the implementation"

[true talon]

4 per rune bar is a scam lol

[chrome lantern]

And they can change that without having "sailing cannonballs" and "dwarven cannonballs"

Because rune cannonballs are already only for sailing

[tacit pendant]

The forge is right there have it give 10 per rune when using the forge and add phials

[chrome lantern]

10 is still too few tbh

[tacit pendant]

Sure, idk

[chrome lantern]

Eh maybe not

1k per cball is more reasonable

1.3

[tacit pendant]

So scale it

Steel 4
Mith 6
Addy 8
Rune 10

Only at special forge

[chrome lantern]

Heck make dragon sheets into cballs too

100 per or something

[tacit pendant]

Sure, balls prob solved

[chrome lantern]

100 is still really expensive isn't it lol

[tender harness]

the ancient furnace is such a depressing unlock

[tacit pendant]

Surely we get sailing boss to drop more down the line

[tender harness]

congrats you make balls at 5 tick

[chrome lantern]

500 per then

The best part is that making steel cannonballs for dwarf cannon use

Is still awful

[tacit pendant]

Add phials to furnace

[tender harness]

furnace should increase the quantity you get per bar

8 with double mould (2 bars) or 4 with just normal mould is comedically bad

[true talon]

reason they didnt, is to protect cannon ball price

[tender harness]

oh no my steel cannonballs

[true talon]

those are used in the dwarf cannon

[tender harness]

what ever would I do as a main wh en I cant sell my hedge of steel cannon balls

when thats botted content to produce 😭

[true talon]

I agree lol

[tender harness]

like most mains frankly don't give a shit about people who speculate and make investments or merchers
those who say they do are lying or are holding onto a bag themselves

they should not ever be a factor into fixing overarching game problems

[chrome lantern]

Cannonball production, even on an iron, is something that you only ever did if you had literally nothing better to afk and wouldn't be playing the game otherwise

The forge doesn't change that because it's still not very many cannonballs and is not remotely afk

[graceful jungle]

Real merching is dead 💀

[tender harness]

💀 what even is this take

[graceful jungle]

Give me a infinite cash stack I’ll show you what fun is lol

[true talon]

its already infinite because you can trade on GE, this is a different argument if your an iron.

[jagged marsh]

Kid named corrupted bowfa

[stuck vector]

How do I corrupt my crystal gear? is it expensive?

[minor whale]

I dunno man I don't think "this resource shouldn't be doubled or tripled or whatever in availability" is that wild of a take lmao

[zenith pike]

the helmet warps the perception reality for some

[tacit pendant]

Its really hard to even know, if they give us an avas, then it basically is 10 rune balls per bar

[minor whale]

"Everything is infinite for mains anyway so we should make everything more common" is also a take that is certainly out there

Irons hate having to be irons

[tacit pendant]

Being an iron was more fun when cox was the end at that was it 🔥

But no idk. Best we can do atp is bring jagex problems and pray they dont bungle it

I just wanna know where this new sword from the angel boss is even supposed to fit in. Is it a nally alternate or a whip sidegrade

[zenith pike]

the side grade of a side grade sounds about like the last 5 years of weapon design

[tacit pendant]

Its one of the weirdest parts of the pitch. And jagex had issue with every other part lmao

Like? Another slash dps weapon but you have to change combat styles a bunch

And it has a "finisher" mechanic which directly steps on the toes of the new stab quest reward from BMR

[jagged marsh]

Seems to be a whip sidegrade

[weary stag]

Polls need a "go back and try again" option

Like for when the ideas are cool but not how it's pitched

https://tenor.com/view/not-like-this-stare-no-nope-gif-16373672

[zenith pike]

polls reappear because of this exact thing

[chrome pier]

if we are wanting to make the belles folly as accessable to get as a zombie axe, why not just make the drop more common from the boss like 1/100, and add it to the normal gryphons 1/800 - 1/1200 so it can be grinded without a task for those who would prefer to do that?

Could also add the horn to the boss table at a more common rate compared to the standard gryphons also to make the boss more worthwile to grind.

[chrome lantern]

They should just make it not task-only

Task-only is one of the worst artificial constraints on why slayer sucks so much

The only way to engage with content is through an archaic and limiting task system

[oblique mesa]

Etube spitting truth

[chrome pier]

Yeah also for a task only boss as it stands, plus all of the mechanics you deal with the generic loot from the gryphon is absolute trash

[obsidian venture]

Also belles folly is pretty ass in general

[graceful jungle]

Preach

[chrome lantern]

I actually think it sits really well in ironman progression if the boss were actually designed well

It’s slightly worse than zhasta

It’s balanced better than the zaxe by being slightly worse than zaxe, I still hate how they did zaxe

[trail token]

anyone know if the winner of the island contest is going to be polled before anything happened with it?

[frozen lion]

Have DEVs considered Ballistic Attractor to be simply attachment to cannons which would remove issue with new spot for facility????

Plain and effective.

Could even be minor change in cannon look, like small attachment on top of them or attached to them from side

[trail token]

im still slogging through thoes darn zombies trying to get the axe on my ironman......

[zenith pike]

The zhasta that now has a pre alternative and a post alternative to get a weapon that outdoes it from raids?

[narrow folio]

The fact its only obtainable on task is a real killer

[scenic estuary]

They will probably poll on the stuff that they decide to actually use of the island idea. I just wish they would poll what things in the island the community is actually interested in instead of just assuming we would or wouldn't like it. There were a lot of great ideas that were thrown around that would fill a useful hole in the game/give a decent alternative to the current meta.

[tacit pendant]

Ah but using hunter furs would be frustrating

Similar to how vale totems is frustrating. Or using coal for blast furnace is frustrating. Or using metal armor for giants foundry is frustrating.

Not like we dont have a fur pouch that would make it easier

[carmine junco]

That's the main thing I'm disappointed with as far as the expected changes to the proposal. It seems like such a good idea. I hope they reconsider it

[chrome pier]

Yeah mains can buy furs, irons get them from rumours. Plus the extra fur xp on the golems would be optional so like, why do jagex feel the need to remove it? It's not like we already have things like moonlight antelope fur that have literally 0 use /s

[true talon]

That island only won, because it has a mini imbued heart lol

[true talon]

I love all those activities

[tacit pendant]

Yeah thats the point

[true talon]

I recently did Vale totems on my iron to get the knife and it was good content, i even did it on DMM to get the knife and spool + the crazy exp it gives.

GF has also been amazing addition good way to use up addy and rune plates from pvming for smithing exp thats chill

[frail nebula]

Do we have any idea when the DMM annihilation reward shop will be open?

[ember token]

when dmm ends

[frail nebula]

fair enough

[hard axle]

jagex, if this isn't the awakened cow boss, we need to talk

https://tenor.com/view/cow-hell-cow-level-bovine-gif-15155554

special attack - instead of zebak waves, it's just a stampede of lv2 cows

[river forge]

is there a channel where people are posting their ideas for raid rewards?

[compact flicker]

#1022203837265756231

[gentle badge]

YESSSS

[hard axle]

ill take summons that do this too

[gentle badge]

And we need the jmods to revoice the cows saying "moo moooo mooo moo moo"

[hasty shard]

reminder to go to boss 1hp in dharoks

[stable shadow]

deadman epic

[analog crow]

where gaem update blog

[ember token]

https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/deadman-annihilation-tweaks-shellbane-gryphon-cas--more?oldschool=true

[frozen lion]

Nothing on unlimited charges on whistle yet?

Ow yeah baby!

[ember token]

nice, no dumb gryphon cas

[shadow wave]

Speed ca is average of 75s per kill as well, so very generous

Suppose that's why it's medium

[chrome pier]

am i misunderstanding this? Saying that world 350 and 351 are already dmm worlds but will be moved to us west? Even though they are a uk and german world? (And currently normal worlds)

[forest bluff]

no word on the inifinite charge quetzal whistle?

[frozen lion]

Idk anything about dmm but main world changes are good, great QoL update! 👍

Just wondering if unlimited charges quetzal whistle wasn't supposed to be added yet or it is planned for later.

[restive siren]

yeah no unlimited charges is disappointing

[frozen lion]

Tbh I wouldn't mind it being one of rewards for varlamore diary

[restive siren]

i would be too if they didnt explicitly say they changed their mind on that

[ancient ember]

Heyo! We don't have an ETA on the Quetzal Whistle unlimited charges yet, but more Getting Around Poll changes are planned to be released in the upcoming weeks 🙂

[frozen lion]

someone was asking also about coffin for shades if it will also get option to unload while equipped

[hard path]

Wheres my bigger herb sack update 🙁

[wary mist]

This ones on me, i provided the world numbers server side the worlds listed are the worlds currently in deadman, (this + 300 is the actual world number)

[fickle cove]

Has there any update on Mod Goblins comments regarding Wildy Bosses?

[winter hearth]

Nothing yet beast, if it's something we elect to do then it'll surface in a game update, appreciate that it's frustrating for some niche builds in the meantime though and can only apologise for that

[hasty shard]

would this be specifically boss tasks, or just any wildy bear/spider/skeleton task?

[fickle cove]

No worries, thanks for the update. I was worried the idea was dead in the water but I will keep holding out hope and stop pestering you 👍

[winter hearth]

boss tasks I think, but I've been OOO the past two days so haven't had any conversations about it, just know it's an idea that we were floating

[harsh herald]

is there any plans to address aerial fishing molch pearl rates? the fish sack barrel now has some utility but its still a very awful grind if youre not lucky with golden tenches. signed, someone 707 pearls without one..

[oblique mesa]

Someday the horn of plenty will work with it... right...

[winter hearth]

I've mentioned Aerial Fishing to Arcane as a t arget for summer sweep-up this year, whether we do anything there isn't set in stone but I'd like to see us take a pass at it, it's one of my favourite methods but it definitely has some issues (its only real function being that it's technically macro-efficient to do for Angler Outfit and Fishing/Hunter XP at a really specific point in progression, but otherwise is just sort of there)

would also love to see us look at Drift Net because it's so sick and Irons will just never experience the joy of drift net fishing 🙁

[ember token]

would be cool to add a unique like another type of big fish to drift net

encourages more people to try it out

i've had no reason to ever do it because there's no uniques, even though it's quite good

[harsh herald]

I think there's quite a big thread on here with ideas around Aerial Fishing, thanks for the reply.

[analog crow]

aerial fishing is a cool little activity but the rates are really daunting

[harsh herald]

It's a fun mini-game tbh, but it's really not fun when you go 400+ without getting a pearl or without a tench.

and unfortunately the new super hunter and super fishing pots only bring the rate to 1/73 lol

[analog crow]

At 16-24 pearls/hr at high focus it's not really a good enough activity to justify a 50+ hour grind for the fish sack...

[tender harness]

Was really hoping for the other form of speed for this. Not a fan of this format

Its still easy but is what it is

[ember token]

weird thing to complain about in this case tbh

[analog crow]

how do you do the no damage one when it randomly ranges you?

get lucky ig

[ember token]

I think these CAs are pretty much the best they could be for the boss

[vivid ruin]

Kill it faster

[ember token]

nothing stupid like kill it with the belle's folly or something

[tender harness]

I have an 18 second kill
Which is was assuming would have been more than enough for a speed ca

[ember token]

ok but you have to go back for other CAs anyways

[tender harness]

But they did the rax format instead

OK but rax speed format is kinda boring

[oblique mesa]

They will probably continue using the rax format, there was a post that explained their logic on changing to that

[ember token]

and if it was kill the boss in 30 seconds, that would have been not boring?

its an early game boss

[analog crow]

Avg time over X kills is better than get lucky and hit hard for 1 kc imho

[hasty shard]

easy task lowkey

[brave hearth]

funny task tho

[analog crow]

cozy task

[tender harness]

Disagree

[hasty shard]

good to know the tasks will take like 10 minutes to get

[cunning parrot]

damn where can we get that miniskirt in the update thumb?

[weary stag]

Woah new logo

[hasty shard]

i dont like yamas gm speed being speed average honestly

[tender harness]

Task weighting should be nerfed

[hasty shard]

the ca i mean

not the actual task

[weary stag]

They're gonna have to consolidate tasks together like they did with metal dragons if they keep adding all these new slayer monsters with high weighting

[full aurora]

what's second one? it's after taking the spit then when i goes kill it

[hasty shard]

tank spit then unequip every gear slot

unironically

[frozen lion]

F

[analog crow]

Hey Yume, will the deposit worn containers tweak also work with worn coffins?

[analog crow]

imo tasks you pay points to unlock should have higher weights

[sharp barn]

No UIM cargo hold changes -> Another week of collecting blue juice from the cave

[graceful valve]

where is the cow 🐮

[tender harness]

Still no sailing cape fixes, no nerf to sailing amulet. But hey atleast we have logs from salvaging now

[vivid ruin]

Whats the cape fix?

[frozen lion]

should teleports be reversed or what?

[tender harness]

Sailing amulet is way too strong for how easy it is to get. It already is basically a budget crafting cape tele

[restive siren]

yeah and that wont change

[tender harness]

It absolutely needs to

Has zero reason being as good as it is for how easy it is to get

[restive siren]

still wont

people are attached to it now

[tender harness]

Doesn't matter

[restive siren]

same shit as when they tried to nerf salvaging

[tender harness]

Salvaging is overpowered still kinda is
This is broken and basically is a level 99 perk with out being level 99

[little kite]

Why do you want to make the game harder?

[frozen lion]

tbh i was surprised how sailing cape is useless because of sailor's amulet, they should have been reversed from the start

[vivid ruin]

Lol

"Harder"

[brave hearth]

the enemies of ez scape have logged on

[tender harness]

Its not making it harder. The teleports shouldnt be as good as they are its as simple as that

[little kite]

Fine, more tedious? Happy?

Well why should salvaging be nerfed also? Barracuda trials are buggy af

[tender harness]

Sailing cape perk is already awful, sailing amulet kinda just adds salt to the matter

[ancient ember]

Heyo! I've asked the team and no, Deposit Worn Containers button doesn't work with worn Coffins, because the Empy Containers button doesn't work with them in the first place (because Coffins are used as a storage for Shade remains)

[frozen lion]

I think the issue is Sailing cape is useless because of sailor's amulet, it should have been reversed or maybe given additional teleport not available on sailor's amulet

[little kite]

Some skill capes aren't very good. That's how it's always been

[tender harness]

Salvaging at this point wont be nerfed again its still overpowered for what it is

[frozen lion]

I think that's the point for some people, they kill shades and want to unload their remains to bank after they get full

[vivid ruin]

Isnt ring of dueling better than sailing amulet for banking?

[tender harness]

No

[ember token]

they should just move the bank at deepfin further from the teleport

[vivid ruin]

Castle wars

[tender harness]

Amulet is like 7 tiles from a bank

[little kite]

So? Are you sore about it because you have crafting cape and now it's not as good?

[sharp barn]

Remove the bank instead of changing amulet

[tender harness]

Bank is fine the teleport spot should just be moved further

[sharp barn]

no

[brave hearth]

I'm surprised nobody has complained about sailor amulet using 1 law per 10 TPs

[tender harness]

Which is cheap

99 sailing should let you merge the sailing amulet into the cape.

[frozen lion]

Sailing cape would have been awesome if it had teleports to various ports where you can get on the ship instead of just pandemonium which is available very easily from sailor's amulet

[tender harness]

The sailing cape teleport to pandemonium is ironically worse than sailor amulet tele

Which is depressing

[brave hearth]

Personally i'm okay with the way the amulet works simply because sailing currently gives almost no benefit for account progression. it's just a time and GP sink

[vivid ruin]

Yeah id imagine future content will revolve around sailing

[brave hearth]

so the amulet is like the one big thing you get

[frozen lion]

i mean whoever has sailor amulet and i think 99,9% of people get it before sailing cape, have literally no use for sailing cape except teleport to pandemonium for free instead of almost free, naming ships shouldn't even be perk of skillcape

[tender harness]

Considering there are net zero positives about the sailing cape.
Basically functioning as a one way trip to pandemonium. Unable to use cape as a sailors amulet

Meanwhile amulet acts as a crafting cape tele for far less requirements, removes the benefit essentially for two capes

[brave hearth]

this might just be me but I think it's ok for some capes to be useless

[tender harness]

Considering con cape is a thing, a new skill deserves far better

Than firemaking tier

[brave hearth]

construction is the most OP skill as is

[frozen lion]

well sailing cape is definitely bottom tier in terms of usefulness

[vivid ruin]

Right there with herb cape

[tender harness]

Con cape removes any argument for its fine to be useless.
New capes dont need to be this broken nor should they but they should never be useless

[frozen lion]

herblore cape isnt terrible for people who go past 99

[little kite]

The only reason anyone is doing sailing is to unlock new islands or for the clout of having 99. What would you want the cape to do instead of the tele?

[weary stag]

I claim that pestle and mortar kinda often actually xD

But only cuz it's on the max cape

[vivid ruin]

Free bank space i guess lmao

[weary stag]

[halcyon orchid]

Not sure if it's a bug but for the new Dry Cleaning CA, I removed all gear but its not completing the CA

[weary stag]

It might be the worst cape, or smithing maybe

But I'm not iron, idk if more coal in the bag might be useful for them

[bright harbor]

NO COW BOSS????

[tender harness]

Smithing cape is one of the worst though it still has benefits

[frozen lion]

mining cape isnt good either

[weary stag]

What does the mining Cape even do? XD

[frozen lion]

i mean who is mining sub adamant on 99+

increase chance of double rocks adamant and lower

[weary stag]

Oh increased ore rates (but not too strong)

[vivid ruin]

Fming, wcing, fletch all just sit in my cape rack

[frozen lion]

not even runite

[tender harness]

Max cape benefit + it should have acted as a sailors amulet alternative or something

[weary stag]

I used the fletching cape one time, when my clues went from fally garden to fally stones xD

But again only cuz on max cape

[frozen lion]

i find fletching cape 3 claims as daily activity for extra gp xD

[civic totem]

is stars borked? all star miner stars are gone

[weary stag]

Delete this before flippingokdschool sees this

[frozen lion]

shiet

[brave hearth]

probably no stars have landed after the server restart

[tender harness]

Would report it at minimum. And try to recreate it first to make sure it didnt goof

[tender harness]

Stars get goofy during resets

[vivid ruin]

Check the scope in your poh for stars

[brave hearth]

honestly, maybe the sailing skill cape should've just had no perk until the skill is fully complete

[vivid ruin]

I wonder how many people know thats a thing lol

[tender harness]

They should have polled the perk to get ideas

[frozen lion]

I think sailing cape could always get change in teleport

[tender harness]

The fact they did not is

[weary stag]

I really thought the "change boat name" was a placeholder for the real perk ngl

[formal gazelle]

they updated quetzal transportation wihtout adding infinit peleports?????

[frozen lion]

would even prefer it to have unlimited new player owned island teleports in it

anything not on sailor's amulet

[brave hearth]

just how they asked UIMs if they want to use boat storage and 90% of the voted yes. half of the player don't understand the gamemode they're playing

[tender harness]

No ETA on this yume posted on the reddit side

[vivid ruin]

Tp to cursed archipelago raid when released?

[tender harness]

It was a neat idea on paper
Until they gutted like 60% of the names

[formal gazelle]

Dam we where promised that so long ago

[tender harness]

Like at this point free boat name changes should just be a charting reward unlock

While I strongly wish for them to poll rework ideas to get the sailing cape better
At minimum it should function as a replacement for the sailors amulet

[frozen lion]

Tbh I think I would still prefer sailing cape perks to be changed instead of sailor's amulet. I don't mind sailor's amulet to be as it is, but at least make sailing cape useful at all.

[ancient ember]

Heyo! Since it passed the poll, UIM cargo hold changes will happen, however it's a QoL update and we're currently focusing on ship combat fixes, which is a huge priority. But like I said, UIM cargo changes will happen and we'll do our best to get it out as soon as possible 🙂

[tender harness]

While I get ship combat is the priority. Is the team atleast considering evaluating the state of the sailing cape perk? It genuinely doesnt feel good to use, and for the time investment to get to 99 it could have been so much more

[fresh forge]

Time investment? Sailing is quick

What’s the RC cape perk

[tender harness]

It still is a time investment quick or not

[harsh herald]

it would be nice if the name change on the sailing cape perk had a 'none' option so that we could get a single named boat

[tender harness]

Pouches don't degrade which actually is good

[harsh herald]

but yeah the cape perk is a little whack. ive pulled the ammy out way more than ive ever used the cape perk. would be nice if it could be combined but i think the ammy and cape perk are kind of backwards lol

[tender harness]

I have a hunch people already forget they can rename their boat

Considering the rename guy is on a random island near disease water iirc. Most people wouldnt really go out of their way as is

[harsh herald]

im surprised the dmm/leagues didnt have a reward to change your sails

or maybe its something they did next year

[tender harness]

Considering sailing isnt even enabled in this dmm or even league

I doubt its on the radar

[true talon]

Return Yama boulders to full power 😡

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/408274540305580032/1468338728140538170/image.png?ex=69845141&is=6982ffc1&hm=a4dd1e1dc5127aee2249065c5a3aab850ca9fae88605a9693a2aae7a9913778f&

[weary stag]

They gave him vegan meatballs 😭

[true talon]

Justice for Yama return the meatball power

[analog crow]

Thank you for the response! Sorry, I don't really follow this reasoning. When I do Shades of Mort'on I usually collect all my shades first then run them from Burgh bank to Mort'on. So emptying the coffins into the bank would be very helpful. Why isn't it considered a container?

[ancient ember]

I'll share this with the relevant team as feedback and make sure it's discussed 🙂

[analog crow]

Thank you! 🙂

[tender harness]

Just like sailing cape perk will get shared and discussed?

[chrome lantern]

Why did 10/21 3-60 worlds get removed? There already were way to many people at breaches

Not to mention it just makes doing literally anything else way more busy too

[ancient ember]

Ahahaha yes, for sure ❤️

[tender harness]

Honestly good question just saw that no idea why they trimmed it down

[craggy wind]

Would say that’s to make room for the other worlds to have an even spread. I’m sure in the next week or so it’ll start to taper off as people get more points / people fully gear for finale

[hard axle]

we sneak in the sang gull tech? hehe

[hasty shard]

lowkey bp + arma brews might be better method

[hard axle]

[ember token]

@blissful topaz bad news

[wispy hazel]

Wtb UIM cargo space….. (pass vote with nearly 89% removal of restrictions….) where’s it at?

[ember token]

the poll ended 2 days ago

it takes time to make the changes and they'll keep being rolled out over the coming weeks

[wispy hazel]

3 years…. Never asking a competent UIM why they would like… should have been fixed first week….

[ember token]

https://tenor.com/view/bask-in-the-sun-cat-gif-26132752

[wispy hazel]

I’m a fan of the devs and team. But this issue def got me saying gagex for this massive oversight.

[frozen lion]

so far can confirm ironwood logs coming from martial salvage

[ember token]

i have also received camphor logs from martial salvage

fremmy salvage has rosewood logs apparently

[tender harness]

opulent salvage has none of them afaik

[frozen lion]

i wish this was possible

[frail bough]

8 timesa out of 10

[frozen lion]

the only alternative i see is dropping teak log, filling equipped basket, picking teak log back up

[remote ruin]

does the combined basket not have an "open" option like the normal basket?

[shadow wave]

It does

It's a bit hidden, best way to see is to equip it then it's on the right click menu when equipped

[shadow wave]

Otherwise it's configure > open/close

The reason I say to equip it is that it's difficult to see from the model if it's open or close, but the right click menu will tell you the current state i.e. if you have the option to close it's currently open

[frozen lion]

the name "OPEN forestry basket" already says it is open

[shadow wave]

You know I didn't even realise that

[burnt stratus]

dry cleaning ca not working?

[hasty shard]

its working but i dont think the actual mechanic is

[burnt stratus]

i cant get it completed

[burnt stratus]

how did you do it?

do you need to have correct weight?

[hasty shard]

unequip everything, reequip, kill boss

[burnt stratus]

this is what i did for 5 times now lol

[hasty shard]

are you doing it fast enough

try being in the safespots

[burnt stratus]

will try

[tender harness]

dumb

[burnt stratus]

heh

wtf am i doing wrong lol

prob

[tender harness]

unequip everything

literally

outside of blessing

[burnt stratus]

incl shield?

[tender harness]

yes

[ember token]

get naked

[burnt stratus]

juicy

[split wren]

is it possible to turn off sigil of nature? I'm trying to complete Have Prissy Scilla protect your Magic tree achievement diary

[ember token]

no but theyre aware that it prevents you from completing the task

and they may change it next week so the task is completable with the sigil

[split wren]

awesome thanks

[tender harness]

these tasks are not fun

[ember token]

10 minute task

[tender harness]

sure but doesnt change the fact 25 in a row is boring

GG had the same problem

other bosses with x in a row they are boring and dull tasks

[ember token]

i think you just find the boss itself boring which is reasonable

[tender harness]

or I find the design of killing the same thing X in a row is inherently boring and mundane and they could do better in that department?

[remote ruin]

at least this one isn't rng on if you have the supplies to beat it, like the ggs one imo

[tender harness]

GGs you can sustain like over 40 with supply drops

this doesnt even drop supplies

[remote ruin]

yeah but you need the supply drops. sometimes they just don't happen

[tender harness]

nah you dont

SGS bloodfury and you are chilling

[remote ruin]

oh my bad, I have neither of those things so I wasn't considering them

point being you don't need specific gear or rng to get a lot of sustained gryphon kills. aside from the tortugan shield, of course, but thats basically a req

[warped dome]

Anyone know how Trouble Brewing joining in progress works now? You used to get a prompt every minute on the red team to join. I wasn't getting the prompt on red team, but got it right away on blue team. Did they switch join in progresses to blue team only?

[ember token]

so this is some classic jank

it happens for awhile after server restarts

starts with blue team letting people join every minute on each world before it changes to be like that for the red team instead

i thought the wiki said this but it doesnt actually, let me add it

[burnt stratus]

okay dry cleaning is only workign when wearing 40 kg or above

idk if its intended

[restive sapphire]

i think theres a bug where shellbane gryphon isnt dropping elite scroll boxes despite it showing up in chat+runelite

[tender harness]

done. tasks were .. eh

[jagged marsh]

Ohh I have a task

I can bang these out rq when I get home

[idle rapids]

Trouble brewing rum is tradable now so it can be used by 0.01% of players yippee

Im guessing they are just setting up to make stuff resellable to the shop so you can spend a ton of GP on rum to finish clog

[remote ruin]

tbf its a very close bank tele

[idle rapids]

It’s a close bank tele but there’s a long animation, so it’s hardly the best option

I’m sure varrock teleport with medium diary done is faster

Or ring of dueling

It’s really just for people who are super into clues and get the elite or master step near there when they don’t have minigame teleport off cooldown

At least for now

I still think this ends with them making stuff resellable so no one is even gonna do TB anymore

[hard axle]

im confused why there's ZERO tasks with parry

im basically done just by sang afking it lmao

0 mechanical interaction except for dry cleaning, which u need 40 kg

[hasty shard]

you dont need 40kg btw

i 100% got it in range gear

which is like 32kg

[warped dome]

Thanks! I don't remember this behaviour when I green logged tb on the main but maybe I just didn't join in progress as much back then

[tender harness]

CAs delayed and this is what we get

[glossy jewel]

where is the option to turn on mobile ui in bank on pc ?

i mean to turn it off

[carmine junco]

What kind of tasks did you expect exactly?

[tender harness]

25 in a row is boring
nothing for parrying the boss
speed is an average which is boring
its just lackluster CAs

[tacit wharf]

its an early game boss, not sure why exactly yr expecting so much

[tender harness]

the dont leave format is just ew

[carmine junco]

Average speed is good, better than the ridiculous lucky times they used for something like amoxliotl.

And the boss is a mid/early easy slayer boss. The tasks are reflective of that

[tender harness]

and given this was what we were getting anyways for CA they shouldnt have been delayed so long 😭

[tacit wharf]

?

[carmine junco]

Not sure why everyone is so pressed about them being delayed

Who cares

[tacit wharf]

a month of that was x-max break

and then rather have sailing fixes first

[tender harness]

ahh yes sailing fixes

combat still isnt fixed
sailing cape perk needs a masive rework
sailing amulet needs a nerf

[carmine junco]

They've not talked about any of these, so why would they

[tacit wharf]

some people u just cant please

[restive siren]

nobody

[carmine junco]

Your personal grievances are not their dev priority

[tender harness]

brother can you not read a blog theyve talked about combat repeatedly

[hard axle]

yeah u can do all of them with mage, just take off the weapon too

[carmine junco]

Yes, but those are on the road map.

[hard axle]

they have...?

[tender harness]

road map LMAO

[carmine junco]

They've talked about the sailing cape and amulet???

[tender harness]

fixes to a feature are not a road map feature LMAO

[carmine junco]

Where?

[carmine junco]

You have no idea how dev work is done, apparently.

[hard axle]

they talked about combat during summit

[carmine junco]

Yes, and that fixes would be coming for it?

[tender harness]

you have zero idea what a feature is

[carmine junco]

Huh?

[hard axle]

yes

[carmine junco]

They release a number of fixes and updates, you all complain that they didn't release even more of them even faster

[hard axle]

if ur gonna delay shit, make it decent, but this was kraken tier tasks

that's all

[carmine junco]

The boss is so easy, what are they going to do for it lol

[tender harness]

no no those arent fixes they are features the road map shows it after all

[carmine junco]

People just love to complain

[tender harness]

people love to hold jagex in some light of they do no wrong

[carmine junco]

It's so hard to take the whining in here seriously

[hard axle]

speed task shouldn't have been so free ngl

i got it while afking with sang

[carmine junco]

Free for who??

[tender harness]

literally everyone

[carmine junco]

Oh, the early game weapon sanguinesti staff

Of course

[tacit wharf]

mfer yr using a sang.... for a early/mid game boss ca

[tender harness]

the speed task is a joke

[carmine junco]

Lol

[hard axle]

yes, you can trident it too lmao

[tender harness]

you can get the speed literally with safespotting

[hard axle]

as in trident of the seas

[tacit wharf]

yr using a trident for a early/mid game ca....

[hard axle]

warped sceptre

[carmine junco]

The weapon you get from the level 87 slayer boss

[tacit wharf]

keep moving them goal posts

[hard axle]

u do know the dps difference between those weapons

[carmine junco]

Can be used to trivialize the level 60 something slayer boss...

[hard axle]

is tiny right

[carmine junco]

Hmmmmmmmm

[hard axle]

sang is literally 1 max over swamp, which is 3 max over seas

[tender harness]

why are you defending so hard especially when you are comedically wrong

[hard axle]

which is 2 max over warped iirc

point is, they 100% could have added a harder tier speedrun rather than just 10 over 12:30

[carmine junco]

Why?

[hard axle]

cuz i dont see the point in it

[tender harness]

20 second gryphon kill

easy master task

[hard axle]

ur just getting casual kc, not speedrunning

[carmine junco]

They could have added a harder task, but why would they

It's not a hard boss

[tender harness]

why would they add a 12:30 over 10?

[hard axle]

because they've added different incremental speedrun tasks before?

[tender harness]

arraxor

if you are averaging 2 minute gryphon kills

thats a skill issue anyways

[carmine junco]

Because an average kill time of 1 minute is fairly reasonable for a medium task?

[tender harness]

and a 1:15 average per kill is laughably free

these tasks are dog water tier

thats all they are

[carmine junco]

Its not, the boss has a 12 second respawn time

So it's 1.03

It's a medium task

[hard axle]

like this is some backwards ass logic

should ToB be exclusively GM tasks with this logic?

[carmine junco]

The hardest task is hard, why are you wanting them to throw elite or master tasks onto an easy boss?

[hard axle]

easy boss, but you can still have harder tasks

Hespori is Master Tier btw

[tender harness]

GG GM speed time

hello?

mid tier slayer boss and has a GM task

[carmine junco]

Yeah? And they didn't want to do that?

Why should they cater to you weirdly wanting a super hard task?

Just clear the tasks and move on

[tender harness]

why should they delay something and release it sub par

I dont get that logic

[carmine junco]

The tasks are fine

[tender harness]

they are awful, free but dog water tier bad

[hard axle]

Yeah? And you're being dense by implying that it's a med level boss can't have harder tasks

They could and they couldn't

[carmine junco]

It can, but they clearly didn't want it to or it would have them.

[hard axle]

You're against them adding it, but then also being a bitch about us wanting it

make it make sense

[carmine junco]

You're crying for no reason

[hard axle]

ur crying about us asking for something

[graceful jungle]

settle this in the ring

[carmine junco]

I'm just annoyed at seeing nothing but bitching

[obsidian venture]

Hmm

[graceful jungle]

i know someone has a boxing ring in their PoH

lets go

[carmine junco]

Come in here and it's just people whining about combat tasks or whatever

[obsidian venture]

I mean tbf, for the level of tasks offered it is surprising it took this long

[hard axle]

#game-update hello?

[obsidian venture]

But I also don’t care

[hard axle]

This is game update channel, and we're talking about the game update

[graceful jungle]

im tryna see someone get knocked out

[hard axle]

like tf?

[tender harness]

im annoyed at seeing people jump through hoops to defend every little thing Jagex does. the amount of mental gymnastics people like you and others do to try to defend this is comedic

they are humans sometimes they release bad. and they should be criticized appropiately for it

these tasks are bad

[noble vortex]

You will have to get over it. It’s the #game-update channel, people are going to complain in here.

[carmine junco]

Is it even bad though? You seem to think so simply because you're too high level to get anything out of a handful of easy Cas

[hard axle]

The delay is reasonable because it was christmas and new year's, which is understandable.

But acting like we can't criticize the quality of the update in the one channel called #game-update is just dumb as bricks.

[zenith pike]

give me spark notes

[hard axle]

Like, I agree it's a kraken tier boss, but you can still give good CAs

[carmine junco]

It's not even kraken!! It's easier

Like. What are you expecting

[tender harness]

new master tier task
kill 100 gryphon in a row with out leaving while having a weight with less than 40kg

[hard axle]

you can mage-only all of the CAs, we think the CAs could have been better, the other guy getting annoyed that we think it should be better

[graceful jungle]

id say the games in a pretty good state of were complaining about a task tho tbh

[zenith pike]

cuz of the status quo ass CAs for shellbane?

[carmine junco]

They're complaining they they can easily do all of the Cas on an extremely easy boss

[hard axle]

hespori is also easy but it also has a master tier task

so like...

[graceful jungle]

like its never gonna be perfect but if were reaching for a task then yeah the games doing pretty good then lol

[carmine junco]

Cow boss drops and they're going to be in here whining that it should have more hp

Wha, I can afk the Cas for cow boss with a scythe... Wtf is this shit

[sacred oracle]

I don't think calling it whining is very constructive.

[hard axle]

What about pvp

hear me out

[zenith pike]

I mean they are boring af, there are exceptions to this though such as royal titans

easy boss, but it does have some things that make it interesting

[hard axle]

You can still make it interesting even if majority of the tasks are simple

[carmine junco]

It's not, they haven't had any better ideas, just that they apparently should be harder

[sacred oracle]

Which slayer master did you use to get the gryphon task for CAs? I was about to try Vannaka.

[graceful jungle]

you know this is the unofficial beef section

[hard axle]

like GG CAs before powercreep

required you to learn step under venge stomp

with chally specs

[tender harness]

GG cas are fun

for a mid tier slayer boss those CAs are solid

[sacred oracle]

Yeah, I would have preferred the CAs engage with the mechanics a bit more. The CAs seem a bit lackluster.

[hard axle]

Yeah, like 72 slayer

[hard axle]

dude, I was just saying

how they missed out on the parry mechanic

that 100% should have been a CA

[zenith pike]

they are just there because they have to be there

[sacred oracle]

That would have been a nice one, yeah

In fairness, I'm usually not particularly interested in CAs, so I'm probably not the best critic of them.

[hard axle]

there's several bosses like this where tasks are directly about interacting with the mechanics

[sacred oracle]

I think Dry Cleaning was an attempt, but

[hard axle]

or solely interacting with the mechanics

either way, I got my helm back in 30 minutes

[sacred oracle]

Might take me longer to get the task than to clear the CAs.

[zenith pike]

aside from the acid I just meatmashed and ate food through mine

[sacred oracle]

I was about to overthink the <40 kg CA before I remembered you can still wear the shell

I try to do the elite clue step without wearing the shell, and it's kiiind of a nailbiter

(Because my clue setup has no food)

[obsidian venture]

They could have made it more interesting is all

And that’s a fair ask

[graceful jungle]

We should remove ticks and make the game real time

That’s too crazy ima fall back

[hasty shard]

tbh the boss is wildly inconsistent id almost prefer them reworking before making cas

example

second example

[carmine junco]

No idea what's wrong with the first one but in the second one it seems like the special does an animation stall and everything plays out after it ends

The scythe hit that would have happened on the tick of the special happens visually after it, followed by the normal next attack

Actually the same thing is happening in the movement one. The character is animation stalled by the special but has already begun moving towards the clicked tile, the red click click then acts based on that position.

Really weird bug, nothing is done incorrectly, but the feedback of it is delayed and it looks bad

Should probably submit that as a bug report or something

[meager flame]

Tbh I don’t really think the CAs should’ve been more interesting

I don’t really think the boss itself is interesting enough to have CAs personally but they add them like they have a quota instead of making sure it’s actually a valuable addition

[sacred oracle]

I think the idea is CAs represent mastery of every boss

So every boss needs to have CAs so if you're a grandmaster, you've mastered every boss

(That's what I assume, at least. Are there any bosses that don't have CAs?)

[hard axle]

Yama had the speedtime over 5 kc and it was interesting to learn how to tank specials. The time isnt free, but it also isn’t super hard, which is why it’s dumb that Gull CAs are so free.

And as you and I had discussed before iirc, radiant should be on the CAs

not just 1 contract or whatever

[finite tapir]

when you click an npc you are normally supposed to path towards the tile you are closest to, prioritising w > e > s > n

just like normal movement

if you had done this on a normal npc, you would be pathed 2 tiles west

[finite tapir]

animation "stall"s don't stall true tile

[meager flame]

Yeah but the gull isn’t a real boss it’s an npc that basically does nothing before it dies if you aren’t an extremely new player

Not much to work with lol

It would be like trying to make a speed task to kill 5 steel dragons

[finite tapir]

also to be clear based on discussions it's more likely the boss was stalled as in an actual stall

(animation stalls aren't stalls)

e.g. the "stall" you receive from lighting a fire is a real stall, the stall you see from drinking from a calquat thingy is not

[meager flame]

If anything they’re understandably free because there really is zero gameplay for people with gear on the boss but

Maybe some new player somewhere will engage with things because they’re possible for them

[hard axle]

tbf, GGs aren't that difficult either

and u absolutely can get a low speedtime on a bigger boss wym

u can get as low as 10s and mage-only managed to get me a 30s pb too

so something like 30-40s would've been fine, but it was 72s per kc instead (with 10s respawn time)

[meager flame]

Idk the only time I did the boss almost every kill was under 30s just hitting it with an sra and using specs

You could go faster but then none of the CAs would even be for the people doing the boss

[torpid delta]

i think it's only the goofy revenant maledictus boss that doesn't have anything

[meager flame]

Just seems unnecessary tbh save the CAs for people with gear for bosses that have anything to do with them

Like we could make a 20 man gemstone crab speed kill but that doesn’t mean we should

[carmine junco]

But the stall seems purely visual. I think it explains what's happening pretty well. The reason the character paths to the other side of the boss is because the server has calculated the character as having moved closer to the other side even though visually they haven't.

It also would explain the strange behavior with the scythe swings. It calculated the attacks during the stall, and then played them out afterwards

If you were actually stalled during the animation you wouldn't get the two quick scythe attacks, nor would you path to the other side of the boss.

[hard axle]

we haven't had a new quest boss refight at myth guild since sote for GM quests

elemental balance

[tender harness]

lets add a new guild
the legendary myths guild

[hard axle]

[dusk frost]

I'm down with the fix to item rotations in general from this week's update, but I do mourn the loss of the Oddly Tilted Beer from the Pandemonium.

[dusk frost]

Maybe that new f2p quest can let the player into some sort of "local eccentrics' guild"

fill out the other end of the guild powercurve.

[restive sapphire]

"person of slightly above average renown" guild