game-update

[winged mantle]

mixed tbh

[chrome lantern]

Unfortunately DMM factions means I will not be able to watch any of what I actually care about (Winter Summit) before going to work

[languid ravine]

if u think u are good at video editing, factions is ur time to shine... 150 vods to skim thru 🤣

[weary stag]

I heard solomissions accent and clicked off that video so fast lmao

https://tenor.com/view/neil-patrick-harris-shudder-shrug-disgusted-gif-13575156

What's the mcguffin this time

[warm epoch]

Why's that

[chrome lantern]

It's going to run like 3-4 hours and I have to go to work 3 hours after it starts

[remote ruin]

fall ill that day(don't actually do that)

[chrome lantern]

There's a chance I could shift my schedule a bit we shall see

[still sundial]

150 creators in this event is nuts lol

I thought it was a joke and there couldn't possibly be that many

wonder if they tried inviting moistcritical xd

[round lintel]

The Priff bots are funny, they are programmed to logout when seeing someone there

[native hare]

no update??

[restive storm]

update was they banned a buncha rev bots

jk there it is

anddd its just the holey moleys

https://tenor.com/view/jfc-omg-no-smoking-cigarette-smoke-head-shake-gif-18161146778440886047

[timber drift]

one day they will fix irons buying off the GE with razmire shop

https://tenor.com/view/aragorn-but-notthis-day-lotr-gif-14120761

no fixes to artefact patrolmen being lured and ppl getting over 300k/h thieving

no fixes to mob magic defence not regenning between kills allowed ppl to just spam ayak in mass nightmare

but glad we added stinky winkys

[restive storm]

wait whats the tech? do i gotta go train thieving?

[timber drift]

ive said enough

maybe dont cheat

[restive storm]

they been being lured since they came into the game must just be new tech for the walking ones

[timber drift]

yep

cheating is endorsed

with sorc garden they had someone fix it after they found it in like 3 days

[restive storm]

smh i miss sqirking

[candid trellis]

whats the downtime for the update

[still sundial]

they haven't stated otherwise so probably instant

[candid trellis]

ty

[oblique stratus]

Damnit no nexus additions this update Soon TM

[bronze surge]

is this a game update or just a hotfix coming soon?

[keen plaza]

The news post says 'Slayer Skillcape ood' instead of hood

[timber drift]

oh and red sallies still bugged on charred island 💀 💀

[indigo flume]

Does slayer hood mask give the 10% chance to reroll the task?

[wraith crest]

How long until we can come back when the update happens?

[timber drift]

its an effect from the cape itself so i doubt it

[weary stag]

Damn no fight pits this week how will we continue to play the game D:

[indigo flume]

That would have been smart, what a wasted opportunity

[weary stag]

Yeah after seeing what the hood looks like on range/mage gear it's a huge no on spending 33 skips worth of points on it xD

Especially as it then makes the other 33 skips worth of points moot as it's gotta be a plain slayer helm lmao

Atleast we'll be able to easily spot redditors and know who to avoid I guess

[harsh herald]

This is not a cheat lol, its literally the only viable way for artefacts to be a training method for thieving. Its as much as a 'cheat' as ardy knights being lured into a room

[timber drift]

we are talking about two different things mate

[vivid ruin]

Holy moleys belong in rs3.....

[timber drift]

guards on holiday?

[bronze kernel]

How long has it been like that?

[restive storm]

idk but guess im training thieving after the update

[bronze kernel]

Not sure how those can get stuck at all since they move around

[restive storm]

🍝

[bronze kernel]

I get the ones standing still can be forced to face away

[frozen lion]

I'm giving downvote just because of: "

Thought it would add hood on the slayer helm, regardless of which one it is

[restive storm]

isnt it already in the game now?

what are u gonna downvote lol

[bronze kernel]

Probably because they don't have the art assets for the other helms yet

[frozen lion]

I meant in game news " 👎 "

[restive storm]

oh

[frozen lion]

thumbsdown, downvote, whatever

[bronze kernel]

But it's not something they can't add overtime.

[latent breach]

Gryphon CA's WHEN?! Haven't done a slayer task in a month because I got a task 😭

[frozen lion]

Huh

ull probly do it within 3-5 kc

why wait

[bronze kernel]

Probably easiest for them to make it work with the base version first to get the update out

[latent breach]

Because it took me a month to get the task in the first place

[bronze kernel]

Then add the others along the way

[bronze kernel]

Turael skip

[frozen lion]

Why do CA with slayer task on such easy boss? it will probly be easier than skotizo or similar

[latent breach]

I was, I skipped 134 tasks for it

[frozen lion]

oh nvm

forgot it needs task to kill boss

or do elite clues

[latent breach]

Yeah task only boss with CA's is bad when weight is so low

[bronze kernel]

Think the elite clue step gives you a free pass to kill it without a task

[frozen lion]

thats why i mentioned it

[latent breach]

Yeah lemme get 100 elites for 2 gryphon kills lol

[bronze kernel]

If anything, they probably will have a bunch already retroactively applied

[latent breach]

In before 50 kill task so you actually need 10,000 elites

[bronze kernel]

All the KC and speed tasks people have done

Then probably like a "Do 5 perfect kills"

[latent breach]

I just wanna do the CA's and skip the task forever

[vivid ruin]

Hol up

When are we deleting holy moleys?

Thats all that matters

[whole shoal]

anyone else's arrow that shows which heading they'd go when left-clicking on their boat disappeared?

[craggy radish]

Rigged poll on the moleys

Poll ended 2 days ago and "already" in the game

[undone jungle]

i mean, it looks like alot of people voted yes all the way down with like 5% trolls saying no 😂

[craggy radish]

Yep. Rigged

[vivid ruin]

Next huge update: add griddy dance to emotes

[fossil epoch]

Were people dupeing with the moleys or what?

[craggy radish]

Tbh I skipped the moleys and helm

[vivid ruin]

I down voted them but bot accounts mass upvote everything

[undone jungle]

i voted yes to everything that affected me and skipped ones that didnt

[craggy radish]

Hence rigged

Was decided pre poll

[vivid ruin]

Memescape is here

[undone jungle]

either way im not mad about it lol doesnt really impact much

[craggy radish]

I have a lot of sandals going for the bandos cloak, and I won't make them coz devouts truly bis

[undone jungle]

but warm slippers for WT 🥺

and their cute

[vivid ruin]

Of course

[craggy radish]

Molegang weirdgang

[vivid ruin]

Next they'll be adding tails to the game for us to wear

[undone jungle]

too far 😂

[still sundial]

egirl economy would not be able to handle that

[craggy radish]

So panic sell sandals? Jesus has revived

[wintry fox]

Does anyone know what the bug was that caused them to disable making holey moleys?

[craggy valley]

Yes

[ember token]

mole slipper dupe bug

[wintry fox]

[austere ore]

just saying, i paid the 1k to kuradel and didnt get the unlock, not sure how to raise a ticket.

Gonna wait a few weeks to rebuy it, will record next time just incase.

[merry smelt]

When we getting dmm blog

[ember token]

well what does it say in this weeks update blog

[merry smelt]

Oh is it in there?

I must have missed it

[ember token]

yeah

[merry smelt]

Oh I see end of this week

[ember token]

gotta brush up on your blog reading skills before the dmm blog releases this week

We'll be sharing a blog to get you up to speed with all things Deadman: Annihilation by the end of this week, so stay tuned!

[restive storm]

tbf i saw the blog was 99% holey moleys and instantly closed it

[merry smelt]

Tbf I skipped over the slayer and mole slippers

[restive storm]

another week w/ no real update 🙁

[ember token]

it's more 99% non-update stuff

[merry smelt]

Also never play perm dmm so skipped that part as well

[vivid ruin]

Looking forward to next weeks update: equipable dog and cat tails

[analog crow]

Good idea

[restive storm]

may as well be cuz at the rate we're going the next content release is gonna be January 2027

[storm raven]

they cant be doing a raid every week they have to put out these small updates

[winged mantle]

Summer sweep up - under the rug edition

[restive storm]

we havent even had a sailing update yet and its been out for 2 months 😂

[storm raven]

stuff takes time

its not just a imagine it and its in the game

if they changed it to one update a month of good stuff people would moan its not every week

[winged mantle]

Sailing should be the priority

Combat literally doesn't work

[storm raven]

it took over a year to get sailing to where it is now so wont be a overnight update for combat

[winged mantle]

Your saying talking points

Sailing needs to be good for us to want other skills

[vivid ruin]

Holy moleys the week after the botted poll ended

[storm raven]

how would you go about doing combat in sailing i wouldnt have a clue how they would do it

[winged mantle]

Start by making it work

[storm raven]

i didnt vote for sailing but its not terrible how they done it better then expected

[restive storm]

Let’s rephrase that we do NOT want any more skills given how sailing went

[analog crow]

Speak for yourself

[winged mantle]

I didn't either and have done all content from sailing. They have more than enough feedback and have since the beta and have chosen to not

[restive storm]

I speak for us all

[winged mantle]

I want more skills

[storm raven]

no you dont squintzz

[restive storm]

Tbf “doing all the content” isn’t really saying much

[winged mantle]

I want shamanism and taming.

[winged mantle]

It is

[storm raven]

i aggree they should have spent more time on it before it was a big update

[winged mantle]

The had deadlines but when the skills still half baked - listen to feedback and prioritise it

[restive storm]

Yeah it was nowhere near ready for release, there just like wasn’t anything to do lol, and stuff was all half finished

[winged mantle]

The jar of feathers didn't even have a display case model yet

The stash unit on brittle isle didn't work

[fresh forge]

The exp rates are clearly whack. It should take more than two weeks to max a new skill.

[winged mantle]

The rates are still cooked

[storm raven]

took me a month to max doing afk salvage

[winged mantle]

Drop rates

[copper glen]

what were wrong with the moley's?

[restive storm]

The fact that courier tasks legit only reward 1 gp/xp and shark paint

[storm raven]

dupe i think

[fresh forge]

Accidentally introduced a bowfa spawn /s

[restive storm]

Combat is just the worst thing imaginable ever since beta lol

[copper glen]

classic

[winged mantle]

Yeah 😔

[dense lantern]

anyone else having a problem with the quest list not showing any quests?

since the update

[fresh forge]

Have you filtered them all out

[dense lantern]

no

[fresh forge]

Try updating your filters anywho

Might fix it

[dense lantern]

ok ty

[copper glen]

quest helper been working for me

[vivid ruin]

Dont change rates until i max sailing

[storm raven]

haha the last one for seeds is amazing

10m cash and a tone of seeds and herbs

[winged mantle]

I'm glad sailing is in the game but holy crap. It's a skill where the more I wanted to get boat paints, dragon items for the ship, move the boat, or ship upgrades or interact with the boat building - made me want to do other things

[dense lantern]

yeah it didnt do anything 🙁

was fine before the update the poof quests gone

[winged mantle]

I've done most of the iron grind and I said no to upgrading my boat... I'm not playing their drop rate game for this one

[storm raven]

i agree i got to a point and just stopped to much logs and stuff to upgrade boats

[winged mantle]

Best parts of sailing - afk salvaging and afk krill trawling

[storm raven]

yer the trials was allright in the first one but got really annoying in the last 2

[winged mantle]

First trial was fun

Others nty

[storm raven]

had room for error without fucking a 10 min run in 1 tick

[rapid sand]

Has anyone had their directional arrow for the boat disappear after the update? Is that a feature or a bug?

[analog crow]

Kinda agree
Recovering from mistakes feels really bad in trials

[winged mantle]

Report in game

[true talon]

I’ve killed 9000 frost dragons so far for 49 sheets which is spooned

[winged mantle]

It's meant to be fun and if you have to recover - you get punished for it

[minor whale]

There's no downside to recovering from a mistake though
You don't have to hit time to get the full XP of the trial

[winged mantle]

I did all dragon sheets on task from lava wyrms and frost dragons and stopped after 31

[minor whale]

You don't get punished outside of taking slightly longer

[analog crow]

That’s true, I’m talking about how it feels to play

[winged mantle]

For some you do esp first completion

[minor whale]

I mean
A single completion of the trial to get the bonus and then that's the only time you ever need to hit time

[winged mantle]

Some like myself just wanted to get the times and move on. Hard with the bare minimum ship at the lvl

[jagged marsh]

Should I bother getting a task for Frost Dragons if I want to make money from them

[winged mantle]

The bad of sailing - trials is best xp - need a good boat for consistent time - the jubly and gwenith is not fun to engage with

[analog crow]

On task rates are better right

[jagged marsh]

Yes but they have a weight of 5

[winged mantle]

Like movement in the game is my favourite thing. Sailing moving your boat is not fun

[analog crow]

The timings for boosts through the sludge is too tight at jubbly imo

[jagged marsh]

Boosting through the sludge feels terrible and

It's why jubbly sucks

Gwenith Glide feels so much better

[analog crow]

Yeah personally I wouldn’t skip for them

[winged mantle]

I wish there were no teleport portals at gwenith - disorienting

[restive storm]

been saying this for ages 🙌

strayed too far from osrs vibes

[winged mantle]

I could write a list of things that are bad about sailing and it would be 10x longer than the list of good things.

It has so so much potential to be good but rn it's like eating a lemon then squeezing the lemon in your eyes

[restive storm]

too many yuppies in the sailing disc during development and not enough doomers like me

[winged mantle]

You couldn't be constructive for weeks about sailing in any negative light

When there were so many valid criticisms

[restive storm]

"
no bro people are gonna love sailing shipwreck to shipwreck for salvaging, i'm gonna have a party on my boat to bring people around together"

https://tenor.com/view/really-oh-now-stare-glare-side-eye-gif-17069038

u know how much people FREAKED out when i said we shouldnt have to move our boat while salvaging? lol

[oblique mesa]

Small complaint but I thought it was weird that trials are a racing game but you never actually know the speed of your boat / can have time trial ghosts.

[restive storm]

only for jagex to change it a week in

[unborn parcel]

i think you need to go for a walk 🤣

[winged mantle]

We could have had mario kart osrs but we got stinky trials

[restive storm]

yeah those things sucked

[winged mantle]

When they made the double spots and you didn't have to move at the high tier salvage spots it's like oml

[restive storm]

yea idk, i tried to tell them that in alpha, at least something of the sort, and nobody listened

[winged mantle]

Also why don't we have a row boat attached to our sloop that we can send a crew mate to bank loot from cargo

[winged mantle]

So i hear

[tender harness]

Where are shellbane CAs

[winged mantle]

[restive storm]

backseat to HOLY MOLEYS

also dont shoot, i'm not a CA person, but why are people so anxious to have those CAs out?

[winged mantle]

Normally they release a couple weeks after a boss

[oblique mesa]

I don't understand either, I can't imagine they will be fun to do as the boss is so low level

[winged mantle]

kill the gryphon with a horn of plenty equipped

[tender harness]

2 months since release and they arent out boss is so low hanging they should have been out sooner before shit like these meme items

[restive storm]

https://tenor.com/view/x3-gif-24301743

[restive storm]

o i mean i definitely agree, its kinda cringe how fast the moleys got polled & into the game

while nothing else has happened for months lol

[winged mantle]

Whenever they do decide to announce the sailing updates - they better be very good and actually address the problems

Full dedicated blog post with follow up commitment to fix

[oblique mesa]

Those 100% take almost no dev time / administrative time.

Hopefully them taking time to do a sailing fix is a good thing and not just copium

[tender harness]

Meme items should be low priority

[winged mantle]

I joke about summer sweep up 2027 - under the rug edition but I fear I may actually be correct

[restive storm]

especially during extended downtimes

[winged mantle]

If they are bringing the heat with winter summit - what dev time do they have to fix sailing

[tender harness]

CAs should have been out like by week 3
The fact January has been a dead month for updates excluding dmm is

[oblique mesa]

I'm still waiting for the dmm blog wym?

[restive storm]

dont forget december too

[ember token]

only people that are upset the CAs arent out yet are those who got a slayer task months ago and are still sitting on it

[winged mantle]

Things I want to see fixed with sailing

• sailing drop rates (dragon cannon barrel, dragon salvage hook, boat paints
• aquanite hopper use
• boat movement
• ship combat
• cannonball accessibility
• link sailing to the osrs ecosystem/ tie it in + get sailing drops from non sailing activities to draw you in
• trials
• deep sea trawling (big fish per fish caught not xp drop)
• even the xp more across all methods through the lvls
• bounty tasks
• gryphon, aquanite, frost dragon task weightings
• clunky ness of ship building/ upgrading
• end game activities
• water based sailing bosses (once combat is fixed)

To name a few

[restive storm]

BRO cannonballs are hilarious. everyone told them making them the same as dwarf cannon was a mistake and they did it anyway

[winged mantle]

Should have been 10 per bar which doubles with double cball mould for sailing cballs

[restive storm]

if not more haha

[winged mantle]

Ye

Just as a base

[restive storm]

4 is comical to the point where it just wasnt tested lol

[winged mantle]

Alot wasn't tested

Not enough

[true talon]

even at 10 per bar its 1.2k per shot

for irons

[winged mantle]

And when it was by the community it wasn't applied

Also let us make dragon bars please

[harsh herald]

they will likely just be a pvm drop in the future and not require smithing, just like regular cannonballs

[winged mantle]

Melt down dragon items for them

[harsh herald]

i wouldnt be surprised if they are common drop from the next raid

[minor whale]

Art department doesn't have anything to work on and the 2 items are just pure art department work
It's a way to pad out updates that aren't ready yet

They've said this dozens of times

[still sundial]

alternatively make the cannonballs more impactful. using 20 to kill a bird feels pretty awful

[restive storm]

let me out man im begging

[true talon]

1.7m lol

[minor whale]

If they have updates not ready yet they ship out things that a team who isn't busy can work on and implement quickly

[true talon]

blade to one of the strongest weps in the game is less than a whip

[winged mantle]

Holy bots

[restive storm]

idec thjat its piss money anymore i just wanna be done

[true talon]

Voidwaker needs the SRA treatment

[winged mantle]

What are you hunting

[brisk hill]

1.6m l00l

[restive storm]

pet

[winged mantle]

Glgl

[restive storm]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-crash-out-angry-gif-15667791719891680630

[winged mantle]

You must melee with it 3 times to gain the max potential for spec

[restive storm]

this is me everytime an iron comes in telling me they want a dpick, and got pet on 124 kc

[true talon]

No i mean the pieces need to be untradeable

[winged mantle]

Ohhh yes this

[restive storm]

oh god please no

[winged mantle]

I thought you meant the bad part

[true talon]

If you want to forge a voidwaker you must go to every boss an get the pieces

an then you have to pay 500k to the person to make it for you

gold sink + saves voidwaker

[restive storm]

this just griefs real players

[winged mantle]

It would work but mains hate that

[true talon]

it dont grief real players, it makes real players diversify their grinding. it does grief pet grinders

[winged mantle]

Even let components be deaths coffered for their fair portion of the full item

[restive storm]

bro i cant tell u how much i LOVE taking upwards of 80 damage running to the nearest exit everytime in escape caves

[true talon]

But you can either make it harder to produce the item or you let bots run it into the ground

SRA woulda been 100m if bots didnt need to do every boss to produce one

the bots doing duke/levi/whisp were vast

[restive storm]

id rather have it be worth nothing than grief real players

[true talon]

It only griefs people who pet grind by camping a single boss

just like the dt2 bosses

[restive storm]

yeah bro i AM people

cmon

[winged mantle]

😅

[restive storm]

am i not op[pressed enough as a pker already

[true talon]

Youd just get 1 piece an then go to the next boss XD

an repeat the cycle

[winged mantle]

The poor lad is pet locked

[restive storm]

i dont want those pets tho

[winged mantle]

He's already dead

[brisk hill]

I’m convinced tass was the one who suggested the multi tele changes

[restive storm]

at this point i agree

[winged mantle]

No people that play the game would suggest that

Not any that do wildy content

[minor whale]

Ironman wants mechanics changed to make things for mains the same as for irons

👁️

[brisk hill]

Just let me trade other irons lol

Nbd

[winged mantle]

Let's not please 💜

[minor whale]

SRA pieces being untradeable is why such a shit weapon is 400m

[brisk hill]

True & real

[winged mantle]

I never understood why they didn't just make it like leagues where you got each peace from any dt2 boss

[harsh herald]

its not because its tradable, its because the issue of bots isnt being tackled

same with the cost of most resource items in the game

[winged mantle]

Even virtus

[brisk hill]

Wouldn’t that bring the price down : o

Not disagreeing just asking 👍

[harsh herald]

if more bots were banned and the item was on the ge sink list, the price would go up because there would be less supply

[winged mantle]

Sra if you were 5 stacks all them time and the spec was increased damage would be worth the money

[minor whale]

Yeah every piece would be at gem price

Voidwaker would be 4m if all bosses dropped all pieces

[winged mantle]

Those bosses have low reqs

More accessible

[hasty shard]

doesnt the spec not actually take the str increase from stacks into account

[true talon]

ironman wants charges that dont do anything for me but helps the main economy be protected from bots...

voidwaker is like 40m

[restive storm]

the bots would just do the different bosses

it wouldnt change anything

[true talon]

it would change a lot of things

you need certain stats to do all 3 bosses

[minor whale]

Protect the main economy by tanking the accessibility of an item for mains
The bosses are easy as shit, bots would just do all of them anyway

[true talon]

it would take drastically longer to produce a voidwaker by having to do all 3 and writing a script to go to all 3 per piece obtained

[restive storm]

like 60 atk 60 mage and ur good

[brisk hill]

[true talon]

than it does for having 100 at venenatis, 100 at callisto and 100 at vetion

[restive storm]

and theyd already have 1 of those 2

[minor whale]

Nobody wants to go get a drop that is worthless in the Wildy just to need to go do 2 more bosses in the Wildy to be able to get any value out of it as a main

It's the sole reason sra is in a terrible spot

[true talon]

tons do, which is why they farm the SRA

[brisk hill]

Bro wants to add more dead content to wild

[minor whale]

It's not good but is kept expensive because nobody wants to grind out all 4 bosses

[brisk hill]

I am now 100% convinced of my theory

[restive storm]

tbh i didnt really think WBR could get any worse

but tass proved me wrong

[true talon]

So if voidwaker was back up to 200m you wouldnt want to go grind all 3 piece? instead of it currently giving you 1.7m for a blade, 10m for 1 piece and 20m for another>

[restive storm]

itd never go remotely close to that ever again

[true talon]

You wouldnt make it a goal to go finish it for the big pay out?

[minor whale]

The SRA has the exact same daily volume as the scythe lmao
It's as uncommon as a raids megarare while being much less useful and taking the same overall time to grind out as scythe on average

It's not even recommended to grind out a SRA to use because the time to get it is expected to be worth less than just rushing for Scythe

[true talon]

its way more useful than scythe and just as good as scythe in many places.

[minor whale]

Hahahahahaha

[true talon]

scythe is only good for bossing an mobs that are 3x3

anything below that SRA is better

[brisk hill]

[true talon]

ofc people dont really do melee slayer anymore

and main thing that hurts SRA is the 40 health + ramp up time

[hard axle]

I've lowkey said wish VW pieces were untradeable until you do all three

[true talon]

if they released voidwaker untradeable on release, it would still be worth something nowadays

just like SRA

[restive storm]

hate the idea of spiting real players to try and deal w/ bots

make it require some actual risk so its less abused if you wanna go that way

[hard axle]

its not spiting real players, most of the time the loot ur getting from pvmers is the base loot

[restive storm]

it is cuz if u dont wanna do the other bosses for any reason you're just taking another drop off the drop table essentially lol

[vivid ruin]

Equipable dog and cat tails when

[hard axle]

or u can think of it another way: ur protecting the value of the item so when u do get it, it actually has value

500k vw blade piece

[restive storm]

not really, the bots are just gonna go do all 3 of the bosses lol

[minor whale]

I've gotten someone's VW hilt from their looting bag at Artio don't make this change pelase

[hard axle]

[true talon]

no they are not........

a bot needing to get all 3 pieces will be very complex and probably get banned long before finishing it.

[restive storm]

they absolutely wpould its crazy to think otherwise lol

[true talon]

• they will be required to have more investment

meaning its more expensive to run them

[hard axle]

there's a reason why there arent many bots doing all 4 dt2 bosses

[restive storm]

the bots have like 10k+ kc man they can acquire 60 atk/str not problem lol

[hard axle]

most stick to 1 content and 1 only

[restive storm]

well currently yeah cuz theres no reason not to, you're trying to give them a reason to do all 3

[true talon]

imagine how many lures got deleted when they removed all the levi bots

[restive storm]

just up the required risk to do wildy bosses and problem solved

and fix escape caves

[true talon]

this does nothing lmao, you always suggest what benefits you the pker the most and not everyone as a whole

[restive storm]

man ive been at vetion for like 150 hours what are you talkin ab i am the pvmer in this situation lmao

[true talon]

Increasing the risk actually hurts most normal players and the auto pray bots are not impacted

[restive storm]

im just not trying to punish normal people w/ arbitrary rules

[restive storm]

the auto pray bots would die instantly cuz its multi

just delete the singles bosses tbh

[hard axle]

I think we should move it to 30+

and add more safe zones

[true talon]

its not arbitrary rules, its protection safegaurds to secure the longevity of the unique items to protect it from mass farmming

[candid canyon]

Still no sailing pet chance on sorting. Pls jamflex

[restive storm]

upping required risk would do this exact thing but is less punishing

[true talon]

no it wouldnt?

[restive storm]

increasing required risk would make people probably actually pk at wildy bosses, less vws coming into game, and price goes up

[true talon]

No it woulndt lol

[brisk hill]

I think it would. If it’s not profitable for a bot farmer why would you run it

You’d just move bots elsewhere

[restive storm]

its more plausible than just making the bots do all 3 wildy bosses lol

that doesnt solve anything

[true talon]

a bot would have to literally every single kill attempt for its entire life cycle which is not possible no matter what fantasy pk world you live in

[restive storm]

thats not even remotely close to true but ok

[brisk hill]

How is it not possible? Bots have 100m xp in some skills

[true talon]

They already risk 400k+ an their loot

[restive storm]

absolutely not

ive killed those bots they bank at like 250k risk lol

they run around in sara swords or the little glacial boppers

[true talon]

well they risk their ether alone is already over 300k

[restive storm]

and risk 50k base cuz of the entrance fee

they dont use ether man.....

[true talon]

if they are doing bosses with sara swords or glacial boppers then they arent getting many kills per hour

[vapid carbon]

How did this update come out already but not the bingo one or the presets that passed poll a long time ago lol

[restive storm]

well theres like 10 of them per world all teaming up on it cuz of how minimum loot threshold works

so for every kill theyre essentially getting 2 kills for the farm

[brisk hill]

No they use trident

At least the bots I’m thinking of in multi

[true talon]

the callisto ones probably use trident yea

[restive storm]

the vetion ones use sara sword or boppers

idk what vene uses tbh

[brisk hill]

Yep cudgel at Vetion or Sara sword

[restive storm]

zombie axe?

[true talon]

Wait till the bots get AI intregrated alert systems using scouts outside the cave to protect the farm

[brisk hill]

I think since you’ve admitted that you haven’t engaged in wildy since before duel arena

I’d strongly recommend going out there sometime

[restive storm]

can come yoink the vetion pet from my pure rq if u want

[true talon]

I dont have a pk acc anymore XD i converted my max lvl 83 pure into a main to do awakened/yama contract and future difficult key locked content into a main.

once the bots had auto pray, i didnt care to go out into the wildy to pk

[limber creek]

u can 1t any of those prayer bots

[restive storm]

im not pking im just killing vetion

[true talon]

yea i know you can, but some have prediction prayer scripts

and its very annoying to be shot constantly with a msb

[limber creek]

u can break them

melee 5x and they camp it

then u can bolt nonstop

[restive storm]

TRUE

[limber creek]

recoils or suffering makes em not bolt back!

ive killed a lot of these lol

[true talon]

they didnt car about my recoil XD

They also all got banned other day

havnt seen any for awhile

[obsidian venture]

While SRA is useless, it doesn’t feel bad to complete due to its value. I was initially for vw being like this tbh but wildy is so farmed by bots idk if this would damper it

Oathplate shards however should have been untradeable

[hard axle]

Yeah like, I believe in the Bludgeon Theory

[charred ermine]

If this can get any visability, DMM w45 is broken w todays update

You don’t lose skull on death, so when you die you spawn in safe zone skulled and die again to guards, this time losing your untradeables and dropping 10 best items for everyone to loot

But then you’re still skulled so it happens again, on repeat

Until the skull wears off and your bank is empty

[true talon]

ya it protects a lot of items from mass farming.

[restive storm]

bludgeon is just farming the same boss tho

[true talon]

well ya, because it didnt have a multi boss system

[hard axle]

so is oathpalte shards and a chunk of the oathplate armor in the game is from shards

[candid canyon]

Was there any progress on this?

[true talon]

Oathplate would cost so much if shards was untradeable, because crafting a piece is not fun at all lmao

[hard axle]

armor is relatively strong and dirt cheap because every kill directly contributes to more coming into the game compared to other rng grinds

[restive storm]

reminder to thank ironmen for bad luck prevention

[true talon]

oathplate shards wasnt an ironman system

[hard axle]

nah, that one was jagex being dumb

[candid canyon]

nah also for clog hunters

[true talon]

if it was they woulda been untradeable

[hard axle]

u dont get clogs for making the piece

[true talon]

Oathplate shards was so people who need instant gratification can get money without having to comit to the grind

[hard axle]

yep

they even stated this during a stream

like wtf man

[true talon]

I got my legs at 897 shards and crafting one piece was awful

i probably woulda went back an killed more yama over making it if i had to do 2 pieces

[true talon]

Pretty good money

[final valley]

1. Lunars and deathcharge still not added to the runepouch name tags, there are more that are missing from the proposed list
2. cant charge partialy charged crystal teleport seed

[strange sage]

hmm

[restive storm]

got one in b4 the update 🫡

[severe grove]

holy moly remove update'??

[full snow]

Nice 🔥

[digital jewel]

Anyone else not able to combine Moles n Holys?

[lavish beacon]

game still downi?

[craggy valley]

Are you doing it right?

[craggy valley]

No

[digital jewel]

Nvm I didnt go talk to Wyson. I didnt see that in the blog, probably skimmed lol.

[craggy valley]

😉

[idle rapids]

No rollback for the mole slippers dupe?

Eh whatever it’s a f2p item anyways

[ember token]

was also caught pretty quickly

[idle rapids]

Idk how fast they caught it but looks like several thousand got dumped onto the market, crashing the price from 800k down to 300k

Maybe it’s just karma for people trying to manipulate the market on those

[ember token]

yeah i mean thats more likely from people who were investing in mole slippers

[chrome lantern]

Gotta go full-blown conspiracy and say Jagex did it intentionally to make them accessible

:p

[idle rapids]

Yeah ig so

[ember token]

hearing about a dupe is gonna make people panic sell cuz they dont want to be stuck holding the bag

[idle rapids]

Not as bad as the potion storage dupe which didn’t get reverted either

Plz jagex hire 1 single QA tester 🙏

[chrome lantern]

Sit permanent DMM account builds ig lol

[ember token]

there was very clearly 0 testing for this update lol

[idle rapids]

All 5 of them are devastated

[ember token]

they decided that w345 can get some DMM testing out of the way for them

[idle rapids]

Ah okay that’s a good use of that world, I was just sitting here thinking why are we developing updates for a world no one plays lol

[celest sail]

was there a reason why cant potshare the new pots?

[ember token]

semi related, new breach mobs for dmm https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/RuneScape:Cache/2026/235.11#New_Npcs

wardens, sol, yama, bloat, muspah, scurrius

Big Evil Chicken... "I DSCIM YOU"... Zemouregal

[true talon]

people paying for cosmetic upgrade on boots that has no use outside, when you can plugin transform any boot you wearing to the designed look you want.....

best thing about this update is plugin users get to use the models now they are in the game files lol

[idle rapids]

I never understood using transmog plugin in an MMO

Well, besides for testing gear you have to smuggle out and that type of thing

[prisma flint]

i use it for the bandos transmog that didnt come into the gam

[idle rapids]

😮 can I see? Sounds interesting

[true talon]

? lol transmog is insanely popular in wow. difference being that you can transmog and other people see it.

transmog is in every popular mmo

but they dont make you give up your gears bonuses

[idle rapids]

Well yea it’s obviously very different when it’s an in game mechanic vs a client side plugin 🤦‍♂️

[true talon]

it dont work to well in osrs, due to how pvp works

[idle rapids]

They could just disable it in PvP, I think it’s moreso engine issues that don’t facilitate it

Instead of having max cape transmogs we have like 20 different max capes

That are just cosmetic

[true talon]

Well it also kinda ruins their carrot on a stick they doing for elitest trying to look different

with blood torva ect

[minor whale]

Also people simply don't like transmogs in OSRS
They're even getting rid of them in rs3

[ember token]

oh guess what guys, the deadman bowfa kit

[idle rapids]

Well, they could lock blood torva transmog behind having it unlocked, but yea maybe that would defeat the point for some people? Idk

[ember token]

is for corrupted bowfas only

[tacit wharf]

they are already walking a very fine line with the cosmetic's coming from dmm/leagues

[true talon]

hahahahaha

mains dont get corrupted bowfa, because it means they cant get rid of it without losing millions

[idle rapids]

Isn’t it best at leviathan though? Probably best to keep it anyways

[prisma flint]

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Bandos_chestplate_(or) thats the one that failed at least for the top new to discord still figuring this out

[true talon]

ZCB is better

[idle rapids]

I sold mine when ToA came out for shadow but that wasn’t the smartest

[true talon]

Also its a shame that this DMM kit isnt for the blade as well or is it? i forget.

[ember token]

its not

[true talon]

what a waste

blade, rapier, inquis mace all forgotten lol

[brisk hill]

This server hurts my head

[ember token]

unless it or the version for uncorrupted bowfas just hasnt been added to the cache yet

but right now there's no kitted version for uncorrupted bowfas

[true talon]

makes sense, i dont think you can recolor non corrupted bowfas

[ember token]

yeah

[restive storm]

-xp lamps for dmm and maingame pls

[true talon]

dont get the hate on -xp lamps

-xp lamps, rejectable quest exp and so much content becomes accessible to so many player types.

[restive storm]

i just get sad when i look @ this, and then some idiot just tells me to restart cuz pures dont take long to make anyway

[true talon]

Like you understand that restricted builds are restricted by the player's choice, but the players choice is not being able to partake in content due to the game offering exp that they dont even need.

so the only choice a restricted build can do is not do it

[true talon]

2200 world on a lvl 84 is sick lol

[oblique mesa]

Quests giving mandatory XP is soulful and old school

[restive storm]

idk if i even fully agree that we should open content for restricted accounts if quests are granting them that xp, but i think certain things warrant a discussion... like at this point are we actually worried about pures having addy gloves?

but for the most part im fine w/ keeping it locked content wise

[true talon]

no its not, its old and outdated if it wasnt then why did they remove it from mm1?

[restive storm]

just the small mistakes that are -2500 hours are pretty sad when its not really even the point of the game mode

[oblique mesa]

Its okay if restricted accounts actually have restrictions 🙂

[vale wyvern]

Just restart mate, pures don't take that long to make

[true talon]

they arent restrictions??? restricts or player choice is remaining 1 defense giving up the power of higher defense armor. being forced to just not do sometyhing, because it will ruin your acc is not a restriction its a forced decision.

[restive storm]

https://tenor.com/view/hum-kevin-spacey-gif-14802915

[vale wyvern]

Maybe get 10 def so it looks clean all messing aside?

10 def pure sounds fancy

[restive storm]

id rather quit the game

[small anvil]

From a first principles standpoint I feel like restricting account builds to quests should start with requirements not quest rewards, but I don't see a reason to open up anything new for accounts to access something they didn't have access to before

[vale wyvern]

Yh fairs I wouldn't either tbh

[ember grove]

I like getting xp rewards directly from quests because it feels triumphant, and having it be a consistent and everpresent system makes the game world cohere better

-xp lamps meanwhile

idk, they feel so devoid of in-world rationale because they're a gauche, purely mechanical account fix that doesn't exist as anything you'd ever want if you play the game in the way it's overall designed for, and the way people advocate for them without any steps to mitigate that discontinuity makes me annoyed for clearly not valuing the things I do

it's the basic reason why I'm much more cool with moving chivalry to merlin's crystal than I am/would be with gutting holy grail's rewards

[restive storm]

plus if i go ten defense, then the -500xp lamps wouldnt even save me when they get repolled

[restive storm]

"and the way people advocate for them without any steps to mitigate that discontinuity makes me annoyed for clearly not valuing the things I do" can you elaborate on that a bit im not sure i follow

(be elaborate i mean dumb it down)

[small anvil]

Explain like he's a pvper

Smol brain

[restive storm]

im genuinely curious cuz i really dont get what he means

[true talon]

why not? they have done it before, previouls iron pures couldnt access zenytes and now they can, previously pures didnt have a backpack better than avas and now they have quivers? so tell me sir, how is not allowing people who play the game how they want being barred from doing content due to something as dumb as a quest reward you dont need and should be rejectable a good thing? it also hinders design prospects of content as they need to consider who will be able to partake in this content. while if rejectable exp was a possibility then this wouldnt even need to be a consideration.

[small anvil]

I feel like you think I said something I didn't say tass

I don't think pures should get massive buffs

[tacit wharf]

i think quiver and BIS capes should have a def requirement

[small anvil]

I don't think that's that controversial is it

[restive storm]

literally no cape has a def requirement

outside of diary ones (indirectly)

[small anvil]

The def requirement is the difficulty of obtaining it

[idle rapids]

That should never be a consideration when they’re designing content

[small anvil]

Low def inferno is like really hard right

[true talon]

I dont think there should be restrictions on anything involved in game and any restriction that you come across is set by you the player. IE - IRONMAN, 1 defense pure. but that shouldnt restrict you from content inside the game.

[idle rapids]

In response to the last part

[ember grove]

sure

I mean that I think when manked proposed them in a game jam alongside the sea of other related things, they were so clearly there without caring at all about the gameplay loop of "do thing, get xp or item for it" or the larger loop of "everything you do progresses your account in some way"

number go up (in some way) is like the basic element of runescape design ethos and things that don't fit into it feel jarring

plus there's a complete lack of consideration for the flavor, which makes it feel private server-y

[true talon]

like you cant be a 1 defense acc with all pets, because you cant do bosses like vorkath

[oblique mesa]

Thats... okay

[true talon]

why is it ok?

what do you gain from restricting players?

[oblique mesa]

The restriction is what makes it worth doing in the first place?

[true talon]

no its not?

[idle rapids]

You make it sound like there’s some ominous figure restricting players but these are literally self imposed restrictions

[true talon]

wrong quests force you to not partake in content you can do, because of the quest exp

[idle rapids]

Do I need to petition to jagex to add a knife spawn on tutorial island so I can train cooking? No because it’s a restricted account and I deal with what I have access to

[restive storm]

I mean there was a gameplay loop to getting them no? Is the problem w/ that the source being BH? If so would you be open to it being available elsewhere?

Also i think the other thing is the only reason its necessary at this point is because jagex doesn't let us restrict our own xp (like def) despite them having the ability to do so.

Lastly we just introduced an entirely foreign movement system into the game that we've never had anything like before, so as far as it being jarring, like you just wouldnt use it if you dont really want to, and 500xp doesn't seem like its really a big deal lol

[thick beacon]

think it would be a lot more interesting if only gear was restricted not challanges

[true talon]

??? this has nothing to do with quest xp

[idle rapids]

And that part of your self imposed restriction.

[true talon]

in a restricted build you are limited your char to 1 defense and or 63 prayer, in no way shape or form should you be restricted from doing content you can do all because the quest to unlock it gives exp you dont need/want

If i wanna get a vorki pet on 1 defense i should be able to

[idle rapids]

Or you could just play a normal account if you want to do every quest and every bit of content

[true talon]

Ill put it another way, were they gonna put raids 4? if they put it in fremnik how you gonna access it on a pure? or other accounts that havnt done fremnik story line?

[idle rapids]

Or even any official gamemode such as Ironman,UIM etc

[restive storm]

i think i still stand more on this side of the fence, i think they should let us fix mistakes, but not necessary unlock the whole game to the restricted mode.

[small anvil]

Self imposed restrictions are only interesting because they change things

[restive storm]

also PLEASE give us a lock so this doesnt continue happening

[true talon]

So now raids 4 is offlimits to a large part of the player base, all because of restrictions set by quest exp? do you see how dumb this is.

[oblique mesa]

Crazy that level 3 skillers can't get vorki pet smh its not fair

[restive storm]

its insane that we dont have one at this point

[ember grove]

I don't really mind BH vs whatever, source-wise, it's more, like, is there a genie out there mad at players creating this thing? Why does this item exist in the setting of runescape?

it's an item that strips away the guise of a world and makes it clearly a numbers game and I find that sad lol

[idle rapids]

Yeah if the -xp lamps don’t open up new content or rewards for those accs I’d be more on board with them too

[true talon]

I strongly believe you should have a choice in quest exp

[restive storm]

I mean tbh i was over here rooting for us to fish it up salvaging... could just be an evil genie lamp - maybe he doesnt like us

for whatever reason

[true talon]

the requirements to finish the quest is all that matters

[thick beacon]

that just makes it them less respectable to me if they cant do endgame challanges thats just boring imo. glad inferno/colo can be done low its really cool

[small anvil]

Fix a screw up is way more palatable than accessing new stuff

[restive storm]

who knows whats at the bottom of the ocean, the only thing we have currently is just the same everyday items we had otherwise lol

[sacred owl]

Is jagex account recovery already possible?

[small anvil]

Like if the bragging rights is that important give people jad challenge style encounters

[sacred owl]

My jagex acc is hacked, cant get it back🙃

[idle rapids]

Is this hypothetical or did they put out Raids 4 reqs somewhere and I missed it

[sacred owl]

So lost all my accs

[oblique mesa]

Use the security codes you stored safely elsewhere

[ember grove]

Anyway as for restrictions at all, think there's value in hard locking some things to make levels meaningful in broader ways, and soft-locking others to invite challanges

like I've come around to the idea that it's ridiculous to not let certain accounts in morytania at all and block fairy rings from them because of functionally meaningless prayer xp, but also re:DS2 and Vorkath, the more things a not fully insignificant amount of defense is required for, the more meaningful it feels to level the skill

so you gotta balance the two

[true talon]

its a hypothetical based on what zones need new content. and the possible locations it can be.

[small anvil]

But there's no reason to completely reshape the landscape of limited accounts and bragging rights/effort that went into them

[true talon]

this doesnt happen if quest exp is ignorable....... you just get more stuff to do on your account.

there is no bragging right/extra effort involved in completing a few more quests.......

[small anvil]

The point of many specific def builds is entirely around the quests

13 def accounts

Exist because of rfd gloves iirc

[thick beacon]

can pures do awakend/raidant?

[true talon]

there is already a defense requirement on the gloves themselves

[true talon]

yes

lucky jagex hasnt designed any content like ds2 since

[thick beacon]

so what cant they do really

[true talon]

you notice all quests had pickable combat exp since

nothing else gives raw defense exp

[restive storm]

as for your problem with like lore, if they just made it an evil genie lamp who hated us for whatever reason and we found it on the bottom of the ocean is that ok?

Esp since you could always just not use it anyway lol

[small anvil]

Why do you get to choose from the evil genie tho!

[restive storm]

hey man make it random idc

[oblique mesa]

Evil genie lamp should should be fron evil museum finds

[restive storm]

ill grind out however many i need

[true talon]

really its just the old dated stuff, like they cant use heavy ballista's, they cant use fairy rings, they cant do any of the fremnik storyline/content

[restive storm]

just sounds like making it more of a pain in the butt than it needs to be but gimme something

[true talon]

jagex has been good about not locking content behind quests that give defense exp

[idle rapids]

There’s a genie and lamp (currently unobtainable) in a dungeon near Nardah, they could make it so if you steal his lamp it’s cursed and gives minus exp (one time per acc)

[true talon]

and have opted for pickable exp

[ember grove]

honestly, kinda

it's the bare minimum effort that I want

it's like how I prefer talking to an NPC for quest combat xp rewards than just getting lamps if those are the only options

[restive storm]

ayo lemme get that, he cursed it cuz he didnt want us to rob him blind

[restive storm]

yeah i mean i feel you there, i just feel like its one of those things that sucks w/ yes/no voting because like, i honestly couldnt care less what i have to do to get the lamp

i just want there to be a way to get one

[true talon]

They have made changes like ignoring the exp from mm1

and have opted for a pickable combat exp model going forward

but all the old stuff still remains

[small anvil]

I don't mind a buyable that lets you remove non quest XP. Removing quest XP just seems to open a can of worms I'm not sure the overall effects of

[restive storm]

and certainly not taking shots at you, but liike stuff like that is why it failed by like 2% in the first place

[ember grove]

mm

[restive storm]

which sucks cuz it now years later and we're no closer lol

[ember grove]

it'd be nice if "no but put in more effort and it'd be a yes" was a voting option

[restive storm]

yea im fine w/ tradeable, untradeable w/e really idc

[true talon]

If i get all the stats needed to do quests and complete it, i should get to reject any exp offered as a reward.
"a good deed needs no such reward" then you go about your day lol

[small anvil]

Sucks that people put effort into like def pures and it gets ruined by one mistake

[chrome lantern]

That is by definition a restriction

[small anvil]

Paying to fix your mistake is fine imo. Unlocking new things is a are you sure you know what this opens Pandora box to me

[rigid sonnet]

“ why can’t I complete every quest with my tutorial locked character”

“ why can’t I equip fang with my 50 atk pure”

[restive storm]

relac O i'm making progress here

no need to fire in the strawmans

[true talon]

ehh the only thing youd gain is access to fairy rings and then the fremnik story line. you actually dont gain anything of significance. but it also prevents future problems.

[small anvil]

There's other restricted account builds like def pure

[true talon]

pures are not that resitrcted atm as jagex has been good about it since ds2

[small anvil]

10 HP builds

People put a ton of hours into this shit

And it can become worthless instantly

[true talon]

how? does it become worthless lol

10 hp and high defense is going to change overnight if you can reject quest exp

[oblique mesa]

The same way your 1 def becomes worthless after you accept your quest exp

[small anvil]

Because all the effort of 10 HP accounts can be replicated in no time

Careful routing poof

[chrome lantern]

All forms of account restriction should be treated the same. Xp should never be nullified or skippable since that xp is part of the requirement to use that content, and even QP aren’t exempt from this.

[hard axle]

Yup, Jagex just keeps reducing the requirements for content and then more builds want to be catered to

[true talon]

no it cant?

[restive storm]

i agree, deiron anyone who has completed shield of arrav or heroes quest because they traded

[small anvil]

10 HP builds literally have to portion out quest boss XP

[hard axle]

I don’t care which way they go about it, but I’m tired of quests and content being super accessible from tutorial island

[brisk hill]

If yall spent 2019 in the rev caves this wouldn’t be a discussion tbh

[chrome lantern]

You do know the game still doesn’t let you actually trade during that quest either right

[true talon]

thats because they have to kill it, not because of the finishing quest xp......

[tough nacelle]

You should be able to lock your xp at the very least

[rigid sonnet]

Genuinely why do you people think jagex should cater to your self-imposed restrictions

[restive storm]

but you do trade, because you wouldnt be able to complete it alone, i'm just asking for similar considerations for a game mode thats been around for far longer

[tough nacelle]

A 1 def pure isn’t self imposed

[small anvil]

I'm just saying there's a mess of issues that happens from changes that seem small

[tough nacelle]

It’s combat level imposed

[brisk hill]

[tough nacelle]

Because to engage with that content you NEED to have 1 def

[rigid sonnet]

So who is making you stay 1 def?

[true talon]

because the game should allow me to reject something i dont need? thats why its called a choice....

[tough nacelle]

It’s like imagine a raid requires you to be an iron

[brisk hill]

Soon

[chrome lantern]

Really what the question needs to come back to is the core question: What is the purpose of the account restriction? Why are you playing by those rules and what do you hope to get out of it?

[restive storm]

its a game mode man -.- it has been since like 2006 we cant just pretend it isnt lol

prob earlier tbh

[tough nacelle]

And you could accidently de iron by hitting an imp when changing weapons

[rigid sonnet]

Yeah jagex is choosing to ignore non official restricted accounts

[tough nacelle]

Def shouldn’t be able to avoid quest xp, but chiv and locking xp isn’t crazy

[chrome lantern]

If you’re doing it for a challenge, then it doesn’t matter if you get level 2 in a skill in the same way it doesn’t matter if region-locked account #274825 steps out of their region on accident, and it doesn’t meaningfully change anything about how you interact with your account

[tough nacelle]

It’s incredibly reasonable infact

[hard axle]

Because Jagex historically has done it for groups, regardless of Jagex approved or self imposed.

They try their best to maximize engagement numbers, which is why most quests nowadays don’t have combat level reqs.

[true talon]

extremely dated way of thinking, your rejecting some of your players to placate some fantasy that quest exp should always be given, while your also making changes to easy that idea such as making mm1 exp skipable.

[brisk hill]

Hmm I agree but playing devils advocate it would suddenly matter if a high scores was created and it reflected that mess up

[chrome lantern]

I’ve supported blocking xp but only in the sense of preventing any actions that would give you that xp, never nullifying or removing xp. E.g. such a block would prevent you from turning in Dragon Slayer

[brisk hill]

Which is the main point of the discussion if I’m not mistaken

[true talon]

Even if the player overcomes the quest with its requirements and boss fight, the player cant finish it due to the exp ruining their account?

[small anvil]

Keeping things in mind for future releases is different from retconning old stuff

[chrome lantern]

So is the purpose of your account the restriction and challenge? Or is it hiscores? I would say that if there are hiscores then it makes even less sense to revert xp

[restive storm]

too real man, i got it in 2017 when it didnt matter then they retroactively made it matter

[tough nacelle]

High scores don’t even work for a supported game mode lol

[true talon]

old stuff cause the problems, which is why it should be fixed. like mm1.

[restive storm]

its like if they made all the unofficial ironman accounts, actually count as ironman accounts on release

[ember grove]

this would be really funny so I'm for it

[idle rapids]

Yeah that type of thing is totally reasonable

[tough nacelle]

There’s definitely bad PvP updates but I don’t see how helping you maintain 1def

Is a bad update

[oblique mesa]

Unironically based, quest cape should be out of reach

[tough nacelle]

Imagine if you pickup the wrong item you instantly deiron

[brisk hill]

I’m not the advocate for it so I can’t answer. I agree we shouldn’t make people’s achievements less important. But gatekeeping a pure from high scores for 2 def is silly. There has to be a common ground

[restive storm]

people just dislike pures tbh

there really isnt any more to it than that

[tough nacelle]

Sorry that wasn’t your loot bro, enjoy the GE

[chrome lantern]

The middleground is just not having restricted account hiscores and letting the community care about it on their own

Like they did for years and years

[tough nacelle]

Pure pking is the most fun imo since it’s a bit less skill expressive and more rng

[restive storm]

yeah this is p much what people are arguing when it comes to pures

[tough nacelle]

Also way cheaper

[brisk hill]

We let that monkey out of the barrel though so now what ?

[tough nacelle]

I think most people would love pking on a pure

[brisk hill]

Like I said I’m not an advocate but there should be a solution most can agree on lol

[restive storm]

yeah tbh i didnt ask for it, but its here and it receives less support than w45 dmm despite having probably 5,000x as many people playing the game mode

[true talon]

I dont see the argument of those in favor of quest exp as something logical and ive yet to see anyone present any evidence to support the claim

its always well its always been like that so we cant change it

[idle rapids]

Seems like the solution most agree on is just blocking xp instead of nulling or removing it

[restive storm]

just do both IMO

[chrome lantern]

Really the biggest thing on quest xp for me is that people will make the argument, "Just add requirements to the rewards!" but we already have the requirements in place. It's called the quest reward xp

[true talon]

what is blocking xp? and how does this prevent you from taking quest exp lol

[chrome lantern]

@true talon

[restive storm]

obv dont let people remove like quest xp or a huge amount, but why are we arguing against fixing a 10 year old mistake at this point lol

[tough nacelle]

Quest xp removal could be a future conversation tbh

[idle rapids]

Yeah this

[tough nacelle]

But for now it should be removable for non quest xp

And the ability to block non quest xp

[true talon]

requirements are already in place to finish the quest, you cant skip over the requirements. the only thing you want to reject is the exp reward that would harm your account.

[oblique mesa]

Would it make you feel better if the verbiage of the quest requirements said "willing to get def exp"

[chrome lantern]

Can you access Fairy rings without getting defense xp? No? Then that's a requirement to use Fairy Rings

If you change that, you are removing requirements

[true talon]

actually the quest for fairy rings has nothing to do with defense exp, its the sub quest nature spirit thats the problem

[chrome lantern]

I'm well aware

But it's one of many examples

Do you want me to keep going

[true talon]

its a bad system and quest exp should be rejectable

[chrome lantern]

Why

[tender harness]

Why does Jagex have to cater to every single flavor of account?
you choose to play random accounts that are outside the scope of what is supported
Jagex should not be responsible for you when you want something that it outside of your scope and you refuse to just play in the confines of what is supported

[true talon]

Because it limits what you can do as a player for no reason...

[thick beacon]

ye I dont play or have interest in those accounts so maybe thats just what people like/want. It doesint seem that bad now but if they locked raids and other new endgame content from pures id find it a lot less appealing.

[chrome lantern]

It has a pretty clear reason.

[restive storm]

because they do it for every other game mode -.- why ignore the oldest account build in the entire game lol

[thick beacon]

reason I play ironman is I can eventually do everything theres really no diffrence in the destination only the journey

[chrome lantern]

Nothing in the game is limited because you can always choose to level your stats. Anything beyond that is a restriction that has consequences

[true talon]

they dont have to cater, they have to fix outdated systems.... which dont match the future quest design. infact if they fix the past they can have more freedom in the future.

[chrome lantern]

How is having requirements outdated

[thick beacon]

if they reinforced standalone maybe but like raids 4 is gona be groupeable everything already is

[tender harness]

okay we open fairy ring requirements
but also make the PJ timer 3 minutes longer

[merry verge]

what do you mean nature spirit is a problem? Problem for 1 def accs to not get access to fairy rings?

I have a 1 def acc and I can't use fairy rings, that's not a problem, I know what the specific restrictions of my account build imposes. I choose which restrictions I want to play with, considering the game's requirements, and I choose what account build I want to build from there, right

[true talon]

if you think they dont make decisions based on who can access what then you are dumb

[kind surge]

well unless they lock something big behind fairy rings, I think it's a fair restriction

[chrome lantern]

I've been playing a snowflake account for a few months and I can't access fairy rings, I don't have a problem with that because I knew I was doing that going into it

[true talon]

Notice that none of the new stuff has included anything that needed the old defense granting quests

[restive storm]

i'm down! Idk if you know this but making the pj timer 3 minutes longer literally doesnt change anything lmao

[chrome lantern]

I don't even think this is true. That goes back to the original question: What is the purpose of playing by this restriction?

[kind surge]

abyssal nexus can be accessed via rc abyss, not being able to do some clue steps isn't a big deal

[thick beacon]

its not offical modes anyway so I dont want them investing dev time into it

[true talon]

and all the exp rewards have been pickable choices

[tender harness]

why are people so afraid of living with their decisions and self imposed restrictions

[kind surge]

yeah even then it's just something you have to play around

[merry verge]

I don't think anyone thinks that(?) as there is evidence showing that they do consider it when adding new content

[kind surge]

(and rn there's no content it gates you from doing)

[restive storm]

look man, just lemme fix this (non quest xp) cuz nobody has ever given me a good reason as to why we shouldnt be able to

[kind surge]

so even less of a problem

[chrome lantern]

Like if the purpose is to challenge yourself by limiting x stat, then why are you asking to have restrictions removed? If your purpose is to have a PvP account built for y combat bracket, then you shouldn't expect to be able to access everything else in the game.

[true talon]

ok then why has every piece of content since ds2 been accessible by every account build and has pickable combat exp over flat exp and has not needed any quests that grant defense exp from the old days?

[tender harness]

the rare 60 attack 3 defense pure holy

[scarlet dawn]

Skilling or wanting to try out other game content on a pure, but being 'locked' out, is generally speaking a you problem.

[tough nacelle]

1 def purrs aren’t even a self imposed restriction, this entire argument is nuts. Other accounts say I won’t engage with this system because I enjoy this experience more, whereas l1 def pures can’t engage in an entire subset of pvp unless they engage a specific way. It’s not even remotely similar

[thick beacon]

what does the commuity even think of this? self imposed mistakes should restart?

[merry verge]

Because adding any new defence granting forced would completely effectively change meta for the old, and it would make the legacy acc builds potentially fucked

[restive storm]

well the vast majority think we should be able to fix it

it failed by 2%

[merry verge]

explained this above^

[true talon]

Just let the player reject quest reward exp and move on..... they complicate it for no reason.

[restive storm]

its just random hardo's that likely dont even play the game mode that voted no cuz theyre afraid of pures or somethin idk

[kind surge]

was agreeing with you dw, I was just saying that even if we want pures to access all meaningful content, not having fairy ring access (as of now) doesn't stop you from accessing any pvm or w/e

[true talon]

There is already restrictions on gear you can use including quest items

[chrome lantern]

It depends on your goal, again:
-If your goal is PvP, then you either restart to make it "perfect" or you keep going with the negligible difference in your levels.
-If your goal is not PvP, then you still have made no significant difference to your account whatsoever and can keep going

[tough nacelle]

Even though you can dds spam them and they die

Since most suck

[tender harness]

more like its not a supported game mode officially
this can of worms was already opened with ironmen and look at what we have now

[tough nacelle]

It’s not a game mode though

[true talon]

ya a 240k+ player base

[merry verge]

Ye, if one wants to try content the current account is locked out of based on it's restrictions (choice of acc build & stats), one can either choose to change the build, or make another account that has either different restrictions, or no restrictions.

[tender harness]

playing a pure is absolutely a game mode

you choose to play a pure

[chrome lantern]

Yeah I'm just further stating that either you're intentionally restricting yourself from content (which as it turns out, restricts you from content), or really have no reason to need to have an expectation to access all content. If you're making a PvP pure, your access to PvM doesn't matter

[tender harness]

you choose to restrict yourself

[thick beacon]

I never thought about it that way thats interesting way of looking at it

[restive storm]

pures are more of a game mode than irons, its been around like a decade+ longer lol

[tough nacelle]

You literally can’t do pure pking without it

[chilly fog]

👀

[tough nacelle]

Mains can do all the content irons can do

Mains can’t do pure pking

[tender harness]

mains can pk pures wws

[merry verge]

For legacy quests? No.

For future quest? Yes, they are making combat exp in lamps now to make the new content accessible to as many as possible.

[true talon]

they can, because all the content is in deep wild. so they get to bully the pures XD

[true talon]

which is why they need to do the same for legacy quests

[small anvil]

10 HP pking is iron only!

[idle rapids]

Okay have you ever considered that a PKer can have multiple accounts?

[true talon]

why set the standard for the future an leave the past in a mistake

[chrome lantern]

What. Mistake.

[minor whale]

Locking content behind level gates isn't a mistake

[true talon]

Clearly combat quest exp was a mistake, or why else would they have all the new content be pickable?

[minor whale]

And making content not doable by some account types isn't a mistake

[tender harness]

why support every single flavor of account?
pures are not effectively restricted from anything by not having fairy rings.

[true talon]

its not a level gate? its unwanted quest exp. the gate is the quests requirements

[restive storm]

pls lemme fix

[chrome lantern]

Jagex making bad decisions to cater to restricted accounts is neither a good thing nor new

[tough nacelle]

The issue is whoops you misclicked your spec bar

Suddenly the pure is dead

[restive storm]

man we may as well have them do something constructive otherwise we're just gonna keep getting HOLY MOLEY updates

[true talon]

they arent catering, they are including.....

[tough nacelle]

Quests are a separate issue

[true talon]

they arent bad decisions either

[brisk hill]

Do any of you know how long it takes to get 99 str on a 60 atk pure

[idle rapids]

Well from the discussion here, seems like almost everyone is in favor of blocking xp in circumstances like that (what @chrome lantern originally suggested)

[brisk hill]

Do any of you know how long it takes to get 2 deff on a 99 str pure

[oblique mesa]

idk a few days at crab or something idk

[brisk hill]

[restive storm]

i do 😢

[true talon]

if it blocks quest xp then im all for it

[scarlet dawn]

39 def might be faster than 2 - if youre p2p /s

[vivid ruin]

Should be in settings which combat styles you can turn on and off

[merry verge]

No, that would change OSRS fundamentally for restricted accounts and a whole lot of people have picked specific builds to get certain quests etc.

OG accounts would be screwed by this and if Jagex made such a change they'd basically be saying "ah well sorry we did this late, but u can just make a new acc"

I'd suggest you really think through the effects this would have

[chrome lantern]

Blocks in the sense that it will never let you turn in the quest yes

[true talon]

no it wouldnt.....

[merry verge]

it would change metas that are as old as OSRS

[idle rapids]

No, that’s not it at all. What etube suggested was blocking you from doing actions that give unwanted exp

[true talon]

no it wouldnt

[idle rapids]

It wouldn’t let you finish a quest and skip the exp reward

[restive storm]

this happens every update anyway lol

[true talon]

how is being able to skip quest exp gonna destory your snowflake account meta?

[chrome lantern]

Let me ask you a question

What do you mean by "meta" when you talk about a restricted account

[true talon]

you doing the quest that gives no exp? gonna destor your meta lol

[restive storm]

like should we take out the quiver? because it changed the meta

[chrome lantern]

What is the purpose of a restricted account

[brisk hill]

Bold & italics

[restive storm]

he MEANS it

[true talon]

to build it around your self imposed restriction ie 1 defense ect. not to be controled by unwanted exp from quests.

[brisk hill]

Fr

[idle rapids]

Not even underlined smh

[chrome lantern]

So you're having restrictions?

That restrict you from doing things?

That's not a purpose

That's a means by which you restrict

[true talon]

The game shouldnt restrict you, it should be open to everyone.... the restriction should be one of your own choice.

[idle rapids]

I want to restrict my account to being lvl 3 but I also want to get max cape and kill Zuk, why won’t jagex think of my restrictions????

[tough nacelle]

You know what’s bad 1 def content? Saying we need torva to be 1 defence so pures can have max str bonus for speed trials. What’s good content is letting 1 def accounts exist in the world. Def xp isn’t a requirement in the same sense that other skills are

[chrome lantern]

What I'm asking isn't how you play the account

It's why you play the account

[tough nacelle]

It’s a strawman to compare the two

[scarlet dawn]

We once had an update about attack styles being memorised, since that update attack styles have been resetted to the first option. So many people got 41 atk on their, say, f2p pure lol. Including returning people who werent aware of this change. Jagex really needed to add a prompt after logging first time since that change tbh.

[brisk hill]

Thanks bibi 2009 osrs was sick

[merry verge]

for me, I'd say it's all about combat level brackets and wilderness and Pking, but also I'd want to take into account what kind of content is also unlocked for the account build for pvm and skills at the same time.

Low level pk builds for me is a more fun way of pking where there is lower risk, and you don't need to risk 100m+ to have very strong gear and chances to win fights. The difference between a 5m setup and a 500m setup on a pure is very different than mains pking 1m setup vs another main with 500m setup......

[tough nacelle]

1 def isn’t the same as zeah locked

[true talon]

Because i want to play the game with a defense restriction? that doesnt mean i want to just ignore all new content or anything they slap unwanted defense quest xp on/

[chrome lantern]

You're still not answering the actual question like Swimzu above

[idle rapids]

I’m pretty sure when that happened jagex removed the exp from affected accounts

[chrome lantern]

And using his as an example

If his purpose is PvP

Then he shouldn't expect to have full access to stuff outside PvP

Because he's making a trade-off for that when he accepts a restriction

[brisk hill]

I think all pures with 2 def that want -xp lamps know this lol

[true talon]

why not? because he cant do the 20 year old quest that rewards exp that newer content now offers choice?

[brisk hill]

I think they just wanna be 1 def lol

[chrome lantern]

If your purpose is "a challenge"

[merry verge]

and people have spent a lot of time considering and choosing their builds based on restrictions that have been in OSRS the whole time of OSRS.

They have also chosen their builds based on which restrictions and trade-offs to get maybe like 13 def to unlock fairy rings, although it is weaker for PvP.

These acocunts would be completely fucked and should be granted a free 13->1def new choice lamp if fairy rings were changed from the legacy req of 13 def to 1 def... But then again you can't do that either, this just gets worse and worse the futrher you go...........

[brisk hill]

You guys make this so convoluted I think

[chrome lantern]

Then you're removing the challenge if you remove requirements

[scarlet dawn]

O, might you have a source? People still getting 41 attack lol. Its annoying to recall returners to check their attack style.

[restive storm]

https://tenor.com/view/aaminn-aminnn-aminn-amenn-amen-gif-10589238935762287911

[brisk hill]

I don’t get it lol

[restive storm]

just lemme go from 3-1 man, nobody has given me a good reason not to

even during all this arguing lol

[brisk hill]

Yeah like

[true talon]

your not removing a challenge if a max acc with 99 str/range/magic can do nature spirit.......

[brisk hill]

They just ignore

But your situation is the reality

Ppl with 1 or 2 def lvls

[oblique mesa]

Because you guys want to be 1 def for pvp tassili wants to be 1 def and grind vorkath pet

[brisk hill]

Wanna go back to 1 def lol

[true talon]

your beyond silly if you think this unwanted quest xp is restricting accounts......

[scarlet dawn]

Rs3 had (has?) a stat reset lol

[chrome lantern]

It's part of your implicit restriction. Where do you draw the line?

[restive storm]

yeah man just meet halfway and go w/ my proposal

[chrome lantern]

It doesn't change anything if a pure can wear steel

[brisk hill]

That guy has a lot of bad takes so I guess I can’t blame anyone for countering him

[true talon]

i draw the line at the quest requirements and not the reward

its not the same type of restriction

[chrome lantern]

The level isn't a requirement for the quest but it is a requirement for the reward

That's how it works

[brisk hill]

Hey? Can you two pause lol

[true talon]

wrong

[brisk hill]

Is there an issue with a 2 def acc

Goin back to 1 def

Can you answer that!!

[ember grove]

awful vibes

lmao

[chrome lantern]

Ok then why don't you just access the content locked behind the quest without getting the xp right now?

Oh, because you need to have the xp to do it

AKA a requirement

[hasty shard]

the issue is that nobody wants to admit the 2 def is stronger

[brisk hill]

Wdym : )

[tough nacelle]

It’s literally double

[minor whale]

Is there an issue with staying 2 def

[hasty shard]

yeah its double!

[brisk hill]

It’s ugly & no hi scores!

[restive storm]

kicked off pure highscores that got retroactively added

[minor whale]

Seems like what HCIM say when they die

[true talon]

no the requirement to finish the quest is doing the quest, the reward is not a requirement that is stupid.

[hasty shard]

oh right hiscores

[tough nacelle]

Level brackets, high scores as well

[minor whale]

Level brackets from 1 def level?

[ember grove]

the number looks worse, 1 is a cooler looking number than 2

[minor whale]

You'll be at most 1 level up

[true talon]

the restriction is the quest exp reward ruinning your acc which is why you dont do it

[tough nacelle]

It also could be two def

[restive storm]

except the two couldnt be more different, thats like saying if ironmen accidentalyl pick up an item they have their status removed

[brisk hill]

Agree!

[tough nacelle]

If you spec

[chrome lantern]

Do you know what the word required means

[brisk hill]

Do you think a pure with 2 def should be allowed to reset to 1?

[chrome lantern]

Are you required to receive quest xp to use the things you get after the quest?

Yes or no

[brisk hill]

Yes or no!

[tacit wharf]

guess you should of planned that into your acocunt when planning it

[chrome lantern]

No

[brisk hill]

I agree!

Damn

Gg squintz

[restive storm]

for why tho?

[true talon]

so you think because someone who can overcome the inferno and obtain a infernal cape, they should need defense to wear it?

[chrome lantern]

?

[true talon]

I think inferno should give 100k defense exp on complete

[brisk hill]

LOL

[chrome lantern]

What are you even talking about

How is this remotely relevant

[oblique mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-biden-presidential-debate-huh-confused-gif-9508832355999336631

[hasty shard]

it should ur behind a shield the whole fight

[true talon]

i mean thats what your saying, i should be restricted from doing something i can do, because the reward at the end is bad for my acc?

[brisk hill]

almfao

[chrome lantern]

If it did give defense xp then yes you would need defense xp to use it

[tough nacelle]

Guys everyone knows 1 def pures would be too OP being able to use shadow on long range

[chrome lantern]

I have to go to work bye

[true talon]

im saying the quest exp reward should be a choice and skipable, your argument is that its a restriction.... how is a reward choice a restriction and jagex have sided with me as they have changed every quest to include pickable exp since they changed mm1 becoming pickable combat xp.

[tough nacelle]

It would remove the challenge

/s this

[restive storm]

fun fact is ironmen get to longrange bolt people in PvP, so infact they have more privilege than other pures

which is also unfair

[hasty shard]

thats something ive not actually considered until now

[restive storm]

and i would not have 3 def if that was the case for me 🙁

[tough nacelle]

Auto deiron

[brisk hill]

I guess I don’t understand what would break if you gave 3 def pures a chance to go back to 1

[hasty shard]

pures dont get long range

[brisk hill]

Does anybody or no

[restive storm]

iron pures do in pvp