game-update

[narrow folio]

Obviously id like to put in work to make my gear stronger

[hasty shard]

id rather just have fun and not add bs

[minor whale]

Skilling augments failed spectacularly when polled with Forestry

[narrow folio]

Otherwise you get sailing which is almost useless outside of the skill

[minor whale]

People don't like having to do something for a 2% boost at content unrelated

[narrow folio]

That was because of teas and boosting which is annoying

[hasty shard]

need more hybrid methods

like we didnt get dredging

[narrow folio]

Having skills interconnect and boost each other is fine

[small anvil]

People would do that for like 1m let alone 1b

[hasty shard]

we should 100% definitely get my island added

[carmine junco]

This is not true in the first place, but also, you're telling me you wouldn't be in here complaining if it was the new meta for several parts of the game?

[dawn jackal]

we need infinitely less multi skilling

[ember token]

you will get reddit agility island and you will like it

[dawn jackal]

sail to planet fitness!!!

[small anvil]

You can't make me like it

[narrow folio]

Depends what kind of meta it is

[brisk hill]

250k xp/hr afk? Pog omg

[dawn jackal]

hop on the treadmill for 30k/hr i'm pumped!

[narrow folio]

Right now it feels like i maxed it just to max it

[dawn jackal]

did you max wc for any other reason ?

[brisk hill]

I’m ngl if you folks had built as many pk accs as me you’d be down for cheese man skilling

[icy relic]

I got downvote spammed so hard for saying sepulchre was afk

[narrow folio]

Trawling fish is the one exception

[icy relic]

When it is true ):

[hasty shard]

im trying to think of a comparison for my islands gameplay loop
i think its sort of like giants foundry / port tasks but for rc

[narrow folio]

Maxed wc to stockpile logs what of it

[hasty shard]

oh blast furnace

[dawn jackal]

i feel like expecting a new skill to be fundamentally different from existing skills is weird

[hasty shard]

wait not blast furnace

uhh whats content where you run about like blast furnace but without banking

[dawn jackal]

this all goes back to max cape being a giant mistake

[narrow folio]

Sepulchure isnt afk

[hasty shard]

i would argue its bedge content for a lot of it tbh

consequences of private instance

[small anvil]

I like the cape of maximum

[narrow folio]

F12 is kind of sleeper

[icy relic]

First 3 floors have like 20 second afk times when you are in cycle

[hasty shard]

3 is too really

[icy relic]

It is reality

[narrow folio]

The rest definitely not

[dawn jackal]

the max cape gave players the idea they should max

[hasty shard]

4 is like 1/2 of getting sleeper

and 5 is kinda sleeper until the first arrows and last run

[icy relic]

Maxing is so easy

[dawn jackal]

so instead of someone getting 77 rc and being done with the skill they now feel obliged to do 250 more hours of something they dislike

[narrow folio]

It is not easy in the way that it takes a long time and commitment

[dawn jackal]

and then that's all the discourse

[small anvil]

I think an incentive to get to 99s is good

[brisk hill]

Most 99’s don’t rly have 1 do they

[dawn jackal]

the max cape is

[small anvil]

Max cape being a reason why sailing xp rates were pushed is a downside

[narrow folio]

Max cape is good but u can have most functionality with construction and crafting

[small anvil]

But I don't think the average player thinks 99 is required

[icy relic]

Nah there is no replacement for max cape

[small anvil]

Most people live around quest requirements

[icy relic]

Can't live without it

[dawn jackal]

i think the average player believes maxing their account is a goal

instead of an achievement

if that makes any sense

[narrow folio]

Same thing?

[small anvil]

Sailor amulet plus cons gets most of the way there

[hasty shard]

diary cape

[narrow folio]

Achievements are things you set goals for

[dawn jackal]

i'm not sure i'm wording this correct

they feel obligated to max? like it's what they should be doing

[hasty shard]

they should have diary cape also include every diary item teleport

more op teleport items waiter!!

[narrow folio]

Make qpc include every quest start location its time

[brisk hill]

This is where the idea that getting pk’d is a waste of my time & PvP should be optional comes from

Min max mindset

No fun anymore

[narrow folio]

A lot of the games about slogging thru boring content to get to the good parts

Also sailing xp was meant to be fast from the start for the first new skill. Second new skill id be fine with it being slower

Hope jagex can revisit shamanism or taming or whatever in the future

[brisk hill]

Perfect time to come full circle. They should also revisit multi revs

[narrow folio]

If they add an alternative to the wildy weapons

Alternative drop locations

[brisk hill]

Outside of wildy?

Ironman scape dictates that bis items like webweaver will be replaced by something eventually

[kind surge]

probably not outside since they're primarily for wildy content

[narrow folio]

Not necessarily

[restive storm]

For the love of god pls never let them work on another “skill” ever again

[ember token]

i hope jagex revisits neither shamanism or taming and instead significantly updates an existing skill (cough firemaking)

[restive storm]

Sailing may as well have just flushed 3 years of dev time down the toilet

[brisk hill]

More firemaking updates 2026

[narrow folio]

Bonfire buff auras? Its time

[vernal valve]

a lot of current skills really desperately just need more use cases + alternative training methods imo

[brisk hill]

Idk what you mean, getting 99 salvaging was fun

Sailing*

[kind surge]

nooo not my oldschool-esque skill you're gonna make it eoc! or whatever the hell people will say here

[vernal valve]

i get new skill hype or whatever but like we've really got a ton of unexplored design space in our current skills already

[narrow folio]

They just need to be not afraid of buffing or changing metas

[kind surge]

sailing just being salvaging is a crazy thing though

[brisk hill]

But I got 99 rc when the rates were 29k/hr & what about me

[carmine junco]

I think you misunderstand who is afraid of change

[kind surge]

legit rs3 skill lol

[brisk hill]

/s btw

[kind surge]

full afk till logout, good rates too

[vernal valve]

it's weird, because this is the vibe i get, but they do absolutely change metas with skilling updates. Just not intentionally most of the time, lmao

[narrow folio]

Theyre afraid of backlash not that they dont want to?

[dawn jackal]

rc rates have been 250k/hr sustainable until 200m for years now

[brisk hill]

You wanna help me get 99

Say less

[dawn jackal]

no one is out here arguing that double nats should be meta

[narrow folio]

I find it frustrating that sailing didnt do anything for metas at the top end. Besides arma brews and the fish powercreep

[brisk hill]

Arma brews useful for pvm?

No use in PvP

[vernal valve]

useful-ish but kinda niche

[round lintel]

arma brews arent even that useful

[narrow folio]

Sometimes

[kind surge]

arma is good at doom and that's probably it

[brisk hill]

It’s a heal that lowers stats but raises range right?

Where would you even use it

[kind surge]

yeah

[vernal valve]

good at inferno healers too

but you'd bring like

1, lol

[brisk hill]

Bring ovl’s to the game fk it

[ember token]

doom and inferno is about it

[narrow folio]

The new fish are nice but not much to write home about

[round lintel]

I prefer to keep my melee stats up with divine for doom chally since i dont have zcb

[kind surge]

ye even at doom it has a downside for reducing max hits while using chally

[brisk hill]

Yeah no point using them when blighted anglers are less than 100gp ea

[round lintel]

at inferno maybe for a learner yeah might be good and not even since ur defence gets lower and lets say u dont time your next set, ranger is gonna eat you

[brisk hill]

(PvP wise)

[narrow folio]

Yeah and in pvm its whatever

[kind surge]

they'll make the "x kc in one sitting" ca's easier ig

[round lintel]

maybe for extended gwd trips where u are usually not hit by the boss

aka bandos 9:0, sara hit and run and scobow zammy

maybe nex 5+ people with no melee

even ancient brew has more uses

[narrow folio]

Mainly because theres no regular potion for magic that boosts that much besides heart (another issue that it even exists)

[round lintel]

someone also said powercreep food, tbh getting Marlins is such a pain, lets say a main can buy it for what? 7k ea and heals +2hp to the next single bite food which is 5x cheaper

and you can use moonlight antelopes that heals more

and cost 3x less

and i dont see lots of scenarios where hard food is really important outside of regular slayer bosses

[brisk hill]

pvm sure

pvp tho we kinda need it

[round lintel]

yeah but it isnt powercreep food

thats my point

[brisk hill]

agree

[icy relic]

Marlins good for irons

700/hr

[narrow folio]

Would rather still afk karams

[round lintel]

you can stack people with a max 83 VW 51 Maul and no matter what food u got u cant eat that

[icy relic]

I'm doing halibut, bluefin, and marlin

Good use of time

[brisk hill]

if its same tick ofc. but the way we are going brew flasks will be needed to deep wildy l0l

[round lintel]

nah thats never coming to the game

i remember i liked it back in rs3

having 6 doses pots

but has no place in current osrs

[brisk hill]

never say never

[round lintel]

The thing is most people here would vote no it

[restive storm]

Omg imagine trying to kill someone with 13 6 dose brews lmfao

[brisk hill]

it would be ass

[restive storm]

On a half

[round lintel]

a Bolt ragger with venge 10 6 dose sara brews and 6 arma brews

xd

[icy relic]

Brew flasks would also be like 50k+ a pop

[round lintel]

One thing I would like to bring from modern Runescape is QBD or KK

[icy relic]

Zulrah lmao

[brisk hill]

i just think with the amt of weapons we are getting that can just casually poke a 50 the avg player that isnt a bot getting every prayer right will probably need better food

[icy relic]

RS2 QBD was incredible

[brisk hill]

thats just for pvp though:]

[restive storm]

Kinda hard cuz if u just camp torags+crystal shield w/ pray mage up risking 1m you hardly take melee/range dmg at all

So those people would be unkillable lol

[silk thicket]

Ye altho it still kinda sucks with max hits creeping up

[round lintel]

I remember when I saw KBD near the monastery I didnt even know what KBD was

[silk thicket]

Cuz we capped at 115hp max

[icy relic]

It's really hard to get stacked out honestly

[brisk hill]

thats a fair point. they arent completely unkillable but you def need a hefty setup to do so. more than the pvmer risks for sure

[silk thicket]

NHing rn is just who can stay at 115 better then who gets the nice spec rng

[icy relic]

Usually you die due to VWing into a veng

If you are just running and brewing while praying it is really hard to get KOed

[brisk hill]

i think this is subjective tbh

[round lintel]

tbh im not a fan of being food blocked with anglers on combat in pvp areas

to heal 121

[silk thicket]

Doesn’t rly matter when u only bring 2 anglers rest brews

If u angler to 121 there ur dead

[brisk hill]

if they added guaranteed damage to the ags would ironmen go after it like the vw

[narrow folio]

I'm a fan of flasks but limit it per inventory

[brisk hill]

do u think that the guaranteed damage being tied to a 4t weapon makes it even more sought after

[silk thicket]

Ofc but even if ags never missed and rolled 0-max it’d be OP

[brisk hill]

can you imagine 🥺

[restive storm]

P much need harm + max claw switch or zcb Masori to hit thru it otherwise kinda outta luck

[tough nacelle]

Bandos, Sara boss, kree, doom

[restive storm]

Or if you five them then it’s possible

[tough nacelle]

Inferno too

They’re definitely useful for pvm

[tough nacelle]

Maybe? Depends how much damage. It would need to be significant to take it over so many other spec weapons

[limber creek]

ironmen chose their restriction. Its time jagex started acting like it.

[tough nacelle]

Easier said than done. I think mid game sure, release moons style content but stop doing it for endgame

[limber creek]

moons is dope.

[floral blaze]

🅱️ulti 🅱️evs

[limber creek]

Add a teleport delay sub 30 wilderness.
Add multi revenants.
Restrict wilderness worlds.

[carmine junco]

Unless jagex makes those changes unpolled I'd find it extremely unlikely they'd pass one

So the point is kind of moot. Not enough people want the the wilderness to vote for content that makes their own experience worse

[limber creek]

Nobody would've voted on the hopping restrictions either and its in the game. Gee i wonder how or why.

Which btw fix that too.

[carmine junco]

I don't think the hopping restrictions are in the game because of irons or pkers, most likely they're a deterrent against abuse by bots in third party clients because AFAIK the hop limit doesn't exist on the official clients

[restive storm]

Yeah absolutely they should not be polling those changes to the Wildy, need to just be integrity driven at this point

I don’t tell uims how to play the game it’s annoying irons dictate the way I play

[carmine junco]

Irons are the reason for:
Teleporting instantly under 30 wildy
No multi revs
Too many worlds

Apparently.

[vivid ruin]

Irons ruin the game tbh

[restive storm]

They are absolutely the reason for the last two, #1 is just how the games always been

[limber creek]

Hop limit 100% exists on runelite through launcher.

[carmine junco]

Runelite is not an official client, it is an endorsed 3rd party client

[limber creek]

They are the reason for a lot of things my brother. Not being able to see this is purposeful incompetence.
We can have a real discussion if you would like. Or you can cherry pick the first thing you read and begin replying. The choice is yours.

[carmine junco]

Irons created the need for more worlds? And destroyed multi revs? This doesn't seem likely.

[carmine junco]

I'm taking what they said literally. That these things needed to be done unpolled and that irons were the ones dictating them

[restive storm]

yes cuz they constantly whine that bosses are full from bots, when if they were mains theyd just out dps the bots and wouldnt need the worlds

[limber creek]

Dang thats crazy so what you're saying is they added it to everyone that uses the non official client which is only like 90+% of the entire playerbase. Good job buddy.

[tacit wharf]

would be great if mains stopped paying the salaries of bots, would solve a lot of problems as well 🙂

[carmine junco]

You seem to be confused, but yes that is what I said.

[limber creek]

Or kill the bots 😄

[limber creek]

So its not an issue but since all of the playerbase utilizes it. it is an issue. You see your own logic here yet? or should we go further.

[carmine junco]

You don't seem to understand, so I'm not sure any further discussion would help you.

[carmine junco]

If you have a solution to kill botting that has a low to no false positive rate you'd be making enough money that you wouldn't be here chatting in this discord you'd own Jagex.

[limber creek]

Hey bro whats your solution. Killing the bots is clicking on them. I know you dont pk so you needed some help there.

[limber creek]

lol

[carmine junco]

I don't have one, and I'm not pretending to. That's not my job

[limber creek]

So you're commenting with no idea on the subject at all? Typical tbh.

[tacit wharf]

go up to someone, ask if they're a bot, if they dont respond, they're a bot, ban

simple

[limber creek]

So simple an ironman can understand it.

[tacit wharf]

so simple a pker can understand it

[carmine junco]

I'm pretty sure you have no idea what you're talking about with regard to anything but, maybe, pking in runescape

[tacit wharf]

win win

[restive storm]

yeah idk kanabaru i cant really follow what ur tryina say tbh

i think he meant literally killing the bots like in the wildy

[carmine junco]

It's not hard

[restive storm]

and then ur asking for like the solution to all of jagex's problems lol

[icy relic]

it's extremely hard

it's easier deleting the wildy than removing bots

[carmine junco]

The comment he replied to was about mains paying bots

[restive storm]

that still wouldnt fix anything lol

[brisk hill]

delete all botted content

[restive storm]

theyd just go bot zulrah or anything else

[icy relic]

yeh it doesn't solve anything

it's an unwinnable arms race

[carmine junco]

Yeah of course, but most wildy content is low cost of entry and extremely high payout

[restive storm]

so is barrows?

and moons lol

like 90% of hte game is low cost of entry

[brisk hill]

these 2 things needs to be balanced by pkers

[icy relic]

it's only an issue for wildy bosses in particular because there's resource competition

and people feel like they HAVE to grind vw

[limber creek]

We're not allowed to flame, ego elsewhere rat.

[carmine junco]

This doesn't make any sense. The extra value isn't deleted by the fact that the pker is there. The pker just gets the extra value. The content still generates it and adds to the problem

[limber creek]

he didnt know that was an option lol

[carmine junco]

Again, the comment you replied to was talking about root cause of botting, mains buying gold.

[limber creek]

Sorry i dont buy gold im not versed in speaking about it.
You go ahead and tell us all you know about it since you know.

Also yes killing bots is buying gold

[carmine junco]

You already know and make fun of me for playing an iron so I'll let you do the math on that one

[limber creek]

You get a gold star!

⭐

[brisk hill]

i see what you mean. but in the grand ecosystem the fella who's going out and looking for fights is likely to lose more than the fella doing salyer

[limber creek]

Nuh uh. Pkers punch people to death nonstop brother.

[brisk hill]

things arent being deleted or w/e but im not sure where thats relevant or mentioned in the argument

[icy relic]

My life was made worse discovering that marlins are 5m+/hr spam clicking the stupid net

[brisk hill]

it has a high cost of entry of just afkin salvage for a week

[icy relic]

I guess we got the profitable skilling method boys

[brisk hill]

gz

[vivid ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-get-some-help-gif-8670192

[dawn jackal]

wait until you realize you can launch 4 alternative accounts on the same net for 0

[limber creek]

But think about how much you risk going and doing it brother! And the barrier to entry of having to salvage! oh my goodness bots will never touch this content inshallah.

[icy relic]

hope they bot marlins down to 2k

[brisk hill]

lowkey im omw

[icy relic]

food should be accessible

[vivid ruin]

Remember the starving children in tai bwo

[carmine junco]

What I mean is that something like zombie pirates is for some reason allowed to print infinite money because it exists in the wilderness as some sort of draw. But regardless of whether the pvmer or the pker gets the money it's still a lot of extra cash generated from content that shouldn't be worth that much in the first place.

[icy relic]

zombie pirates slipped through the cracks

[brisk hill]

doesnt all content do this though?

[icy relic]

because jagex didn't tell us how much money it printed

same shit as fever spiders

in theory "oh yeah we'll bring back wildy altar as a low-level multi hotspot!"

[vivid ruin]

Didnt spiders get nerfed

[icy relic]

and that did not happen in the slightest

[carmine junco]

Wilderness content is unusually balanced though. Revs and zombie pirates drop value well above their requirements and difficulty

[limber creek]

Doom is allowed to exist with tick perfect bots that lowered the cost of avernic treads to 140m not even a month ago.
You know how many zombie pirates you gotta kill for 140m?
So in this context they should never add another pvm update to the game at all?

[brisk hill]

https://i.imgur.com/0gbQM33.png i mean which 1 do we think ppl are doing?

[carmine junco]

Spiders got nerfed a lot yeah, after they buffed the drop table

[restive storm]

creating crystal keys is currently 4.5m/h they have no idea man they just make stuff up

[limber creek]

Complete max efficiency off tutorial island duh.

[brisk hill]

do we think ppl are in max in lvl 7 wild?

[limber creek]

Yes and theyre going to kill my ironman.

[icy relic]

whoever said breaches earlier, maybe that really is just the solution

[brisk hill]

me!

[icy relic]

just make some deranged content in the wildy you have to do

[brisk hill]

make it mmo friendly

[icy relic]

shit you need to group up for

[brisk hill]

encourage ppl to work together

yer

thats why revs worked

[limber creek]

Dang. That sounds like multi revs to me

[restive storm]

breaches are so unhealthy for the main game

[brisk hill]

i like the idea of doing it at certain times of the day but then it rly does create clanmanmode

which im here for, but others arent

[limber creek]

I would hate to think the amount of money rot would make from breaches lol. And they deserve it if it goes into the game. No complaints.

[restive storm]

like bruh, gnome restaurant is more gp/h than zombie pirates in the sets noobs/bots are doing it in -.-

[icy relic]

people get hung up about certain moneymakers for whatever reason

[limber creek]

Ironmen only care if its in the wilderness.

[icy relic]

like the shit I see people doing vorkath in

[restive storm]

true and real

[icy relic]

they would make more money from CG

but they refuse to do one piece of content but not the other

[limber creek]

We should remove tob. Theres so many 0 risk players pulling in scythes daily!

[icy relic]

seconded, delete this shithole

[brisk hill]

can i have some

[restive storm]

is it bad that i cant even read what im looking @? like what do all those #s mean

[icy relic]

dryness percentile relative to other people with the plugin, but doesn't really mean anything at 0 drop count

just ignore

[restive storm]

dryness percentile....

https://tenor.com/view/stan-twitter-old-man-stressed-pondering-gif-5328057769363915268

[dawn jackal]

havent saved a gif that fast in eons

[carmine junco]

Doom's value comes from the value of the uniques to other players, zombie pirates value is in alchables

[restive storm]

im gettin old bro the clog as a whole was a mistake

[icy relic]

it's ok, just secretly convinced jagex fucked the purple rates at tob after sailing or something

my tinfoil hat

going 50 raids between every purple as a team, not individually

i just want to blame sailing for everything, don't mind me

[limber creek]

oh so we dont care that its 140m versus at best a 100k drop.
We're cherry picking because its the wilderness. Thats where we are at.

[carmine junco]

I mean there's also the fact that there are a lot more zombie pirate bots than doom ones, since one of those is much harder to make, has gear requirements and level requirements

[limber creek]

the players choose the value of the treads. Oh you mean the best in slot boots in the whole game?
What bis do zombie pirates give? Some pure robes? lol

[small anvil]

Wildy stuff was low req was the issue

Not the absolute profit level

[limber creek]

Because doom requirements take so long

[small anvil]

Just high profit for being super easy to get into

Doom requires a good chunk of skill lol

Zombie pirates don't

[limber creek]

You dont know that you cant see in there. lmfao

[limber creek]

Neither does. Its a bot doing it. 0 skill required.

Did we forget bots aren't normal players

[restive storm]

man i just got cape swapped on my bait for 900k

[limber creek]

You silly ironmen

[restive storm]

we are down BAD in the caves

[small anvil]

There's a lot more pvm bots these days yeah

[brisk hill]

at least the ones in the wild can be disrupted

[small anvil]

I wouldn't make arguments about which is more problematic

But wild ones are like lower requirements easier to suicide I think

[limber creek]

could be. If there was a 1t teleport delay below 30 wilderness.

[small anvil]

Lower investment

Afaik

[brisk hill]

multi rev bots were pretty few and far between abck in the day because of the lack of profitability

[small anvil]

How many years ago was multi revs

I do think the level of ability of these bots has greatly progressed

A high lvl pvm bot back in the day was unheard of

[limber creek]

Was it?

[small anvil]

Maybe it was just better hidden back then

[brisk hill]

less accessible

[small anvil]

And scripts have proliferated to more people

Or run at larger scale

I wouldn't know

[limber creek]

There were bots doing thousands upon thousands of kc on zulrah for years upon years.

[carmine junco]

Zulrah isn't exactly a difficult boss

[small anvil]

Zulrah is a lot simpler than like yama or doom I think

[vivid ruin]

Remember when revs roamed the wild

[limber creek]

Difficulty of the boss doesnt matter to a machine

Idk how yall cant get that through your head.

[small anvil]

And there's toa bots too I've heard?

[carmine junco]

Okay. Zulrah isn't a difficult boss to program around

[brisk hill]

of course lol

bots for all raids

[limber creek]

Theres tob bots too you can spectate them on random worlds 😄 its funny as hell

[small anvil]

There's absolutely differences in the difficulty in programming

[limber creek]

Oh so now it matters how hard it would be for a botter to program a bot for the content?

you really do care about them ❤️

[small anvil]

?

[carmine junco]

What?

[small anvil]

If it's harder to program it's going to take time and resources to become botted

[frail bough]

365>30?

More like 6 7

[small anvil]

And more likely to break from random updates

[brisk hill]

just bump zombie pirates up 20 lvls

lock loot behind hier tier diary

[carmine junco]

This, exactly. Not sure what's so hard to grasp about this

But 365 seems to be having trouble ig

[small anvil]

I think development of bots has reached a point where the turnaround time from release to bots being unleashed is weeks rather than months/years it would have been before

[dawn jackal]

whats the conversation about anyway

i think people are discussing different things

[carmine junco]

365 trying to insult his way into a position where he makes any sense whatsoever I think

[dawn jackal]

i don't think there's an argument to be made that a zombie pirate bot is quicker to set up than a TOB bot

[small anvil]

Idk I jumped in halfway. 365 seems to be arguing re bots that wildy isn't /hasn't been problematic for them

[carmine junco]

Yeah that's the gist of it

[small anvil]

Or they're not making their argument coherently at least for me to understand if it's smth else. Mostly they are blustering about how it's so easy elsewhere

[limber creek]

we fuss about botted content yet outside of the wilderness are infinitely more lucrative positions for them to be in which they are.

You hate the wilderness because you're afraid of losing your spade.
I hate the wilderness because we get one update every 2 years and even then the bots are so advanced noone can tb them.

[small anvil]

I don't even hate the wildy

But arguing that bots haven't historically been a problem when lucrative wildy content gets released is um odd

(they're filling a niche real players don't wanna fill)

[limber creek]

theyve been a problem on non wildy content too

[dawn jackal]

im not even sure bots in the wildy are an objectively bad thing

[restive storm]

bots have historically bbeen a problem for the game, the wilderness specifically has nothing to do w/ that lol

[limber creek]

theyre the biggest problem in the game.

[small anvil]

Wildy content tends to be things many real players don't wanna do

[limber creek]

you're cherrypicking saying you cant understand me because you cant fathom that bots exist outside of the wilderness.

[carmine junco]

I don't even hate the wildy, it's just annoying to have to deal with it.

[small anvil]

And bots don't have that same risk aversion

[restive storm]

right and the ones who do wanna do it get told they shouldnt be allowed to lol

[small anvil]

It's all about profit and loss for a bot

[icy relic]

willdy bosses are worse than just about any piece of endgame pvm content

[brisk hill]

but then you get a piece of content that draws you out there (voidwaker, pvp item) and want to remove it :v

[icy relic]

this whole thing boils down to most botting being fairly invisible

[small anvil]

Another zombie pirates isn't gonna be a boon that revitalizes the wildy

[silk thicket]

Bots are a problem everywhere. Wildy content is unusually lucrative for the requirements. Bots can insta tele and tank well

[limber creek]

I know nothing about them besides where ive saw them. And its everywhere. And its upsetting. It makes the game worse for all of us. Even the ironmen which honestly im kinda hard on lmao.

[small anvil]

I never advocated removing it lol. Some people do and I think theyre silly

[silk thicket]

Of course they’re a problem in wildy. Look at the price of blighted items

[brisk hill]

not you, but irons in general complain about it etc

[icy relic]

requirements don't really matter that much for bots anyway

you can prep an entire botfarm under the radar and not do any sus activities

[silk thicket]

91gp for an anglerfish vs 1500gp

[small anvil]

Requirements are a longer on ramp time to ban before the bot makes economic impact

[icy relic]

there's an entire ecosystem for purchasing high-level bot accounts

[small anvil]

If the path to wildy diary is scripted you can identify the bot before it starts printing alchs

[icy relic]

it is negligible compared to how much money you can make

[small anvil]

(theoretically)

[icy relic]

and also bots that are used for one thing can be moved onto another thing

[restive storm]

my favorite bot farm that i cant figure out yet is all like 95-102 melee stats across the board exactly the same, like 105 firemaking, and they tele in and out of ferox enclave wearing matching torso/legs slots with a random hat

and i have literally no idea what theyre doing

[small anvil]

Ooh that's a fun puzzle

[icy relic]

they're trying to mindfuck us

[limber creek]

remember when we stopped bots by requiring wilderness medium diary for singles variants of wbr?
They're back in singles variants of wbr lol.

[small anvil]

No boss KC I assume?

[restive storm]

only boss kc is WT

[small anvil]

Get some screenshots of them so we can try to figure em out

Todt is the obvious guess but why melees

[icy relic]

damn that bot is waiting for turmoil to be released

with that 95 prayer

[small anvil]

Dragons of some sort?

[limber creek]

Green dragon bot. Look in slayer caves.

[brisk hill]

w/ torso?

[limber creek]

Ive saw a ton of these.

[restive storm]

its weird tho ive never seen one of those in particular there, but maybe

[carmine junco]

I would say shades of Morton but I have no idea what they would be getting from there

[small anvil]

Maybe they're tping before squint can see them

[limber creek]

Its the 1t tele ones

[restive storm]

ahh

[limber creek]

you cant kill it lol

[carmine junco]

Shades would explain the high fm and prayer level

[limber creek]

and you rarely see their items

[carmine junco]

But like. What the hell would be worth botting from shades

[small anvil]

Shades isn't profitable

They're nice for elites

[brisk hill]

i ask the same about the ppl who bot pvp arena

[limber creek]

Bots dont care if its profitable if their master says to do it.

[small anvil]

But like not really a net profit

[restive storm]

its weird, theyre always wearing like, teal robe top+bottom and a green party hat

or steel platebody/legs and a wizard hat

[icy relic]

surge sacks lol

[restive storm]

and nothing else, stuff like that

[limber creek]

Thats not the ones i was talking about.

Idk wtf that ones doing

[brisk hill]

in case they become tradeable one day? maybe

[small anvil]

Shades is a good call but idk why they would be running it

[carmine junco]

I don't know why else a bot would have 95 prayer

[limber creek]

Collection logs lmfao no clue

[restive storm]

yea cuz they aint doin clues either

[small anvil]

Ya dragon bots wouldn't bury the bones

[restive storm]

26 clogs

doubt it

idk bro, the perks of sitting on ferox bridge, this is the kinda stuff i see

that and the millions of corp bots

[limber creek]

ever infiltrated one of the private instances lol?

its funny as hell tbh

[restive storm]

naw they all just tele into ferox together tho

[carmine junco]

Someone posted a screenshot of standing near Corp cave skulled causing dragon bots to loop

[restive storm]

each of the 6 have like 2-4k kc lmao

[limber creek]

add their names and try to join all of them at corp

sometimes one is what room they join

[restive storm]

will have to do that sometime

[limber creek]

Im very happy we've at least found some commonground.
Pvmers hate bots too.

[restive storm]

man pures are DEPRESSING to play south caves my god

getting your head kicked in by moons/meds is brutal lmao

guess i c why theyre all unskulled

[limber creek]

Let our hatred for bots revitalize the wilderness boys.

and girls

[small anvil]

Bots take away profit people could be making

[limber creek]

Agreed brother

And my main 2 goals are both aimed at combatting bots in some form or fashion.

My 3rd goal probably helps them lol

[small anvil]

Though there's some jobs I wouldn't wish on anyone but the bots, making cannonballs

[dawn jackal]

the cannonball alternative account would be so sick

[small anvil]

It's funny, sailing combat stuff has kept value largely cuz bots haven't hit sailing yet

[dawn jackal]

like 15 minutes of start up

[small anvil]

New movement system being harder to program I imagine is the thing

[restive storm]

movement system so bad not even the bots wanna do it

[small anvil]

More like not an existing codebase to build upon

Gotta develop it fresh

[restive storm]

they just like me frfr

[small anvil]

Means the value for people who do develop it will be huge

And won't spread it quickly

[carmine junco]

My understanding is that hooks haven't been developed yet for botters to script for the new content very effectively yet. So a lot of them got banned doing tick manip salvage or whatever

Unfortunately they'll figure it out eventually

[limber creek]

Id about put money that they already have something. But i dont care i cant do anything about it... but you know what i can do?
Kill them in the wilderness.
Destroy the safehaven for bots that is todays rev caves.
Make rev caves multi
Move zombie pirates 20 levels north.
Add 1t teleport delay below 30 wilderness
Remove the hop timer if you aint gonna do none of the above so i can actually pk at all the dead spots on the regular for the next 2 years without having to make another acc cause i get hop locked every night.

[ember token]

whole point of zombie pirates was to be content for lower level pk builds wasnt it

would make more sense to just remove it rather than move it

[carmine junco]

That was the stated goal, but it hasn't really worked out that way

[limber creek]

oh its certainly lower levels

i cant hit any of those dang 97's and 89's etc.

If i could itd be a different story.

Unfortunately im a loser who only plays one account and its max combat.

[restive storm]

this game is actually disgusting w/ the freeze logging man lololol

guy in bloodbark serp camp catches first freeze

while i splashed 3x in a row

[limber creek]

add north and south seeds and freeze logging takes a lot more skill to pull off js.

Including adamant seeds def changed the game up for dd loggers lol

[restive storm]

doesnt even really help that much

[limber creek]

It doesnt but its something 🙁

[restive storm]

seeded and he just kept walkin w/ it

[limber creek]

Thats why you bring both seeds

Juke em out

or you lose anyways if you lose the juke lmfao

[restive storm]

cant rly if they pick an actual spot in revs

which theres a million of

[limber creek]

💯

[restive storm]

https://tenor.com/view/fix-the-game-gif-27218102

[floral blaze]

Engaging content that makes an MMO game feel like an MMO? NOT ON MY WATCH!

[icy relic]

cannonballs aren't worth making even if you bot them

[limber creek]

We need to start making bounties for ironmen to slay some bots for us boys.

I wanna cheer you guys on.

[restive storm]

bro ongod ill give mod arcane a barrows set but hes gotta go to rev caves and stream it

[icy relic]

4 balls a bar and the only one "worth" making is rune

[limber creek]

Legitimately ik i can be a bit abbraisive on some ideas.
But if you wanna go out there i will set you up and support you sometime.

[icy relic]

and because rune ballz drop from a lot of mobs, they're worth way less than the bar

[limber creek]

It aint gonna be a max set though lol

[carmine junco]

Here my idea, we add two more types of flower seeds so you cna go in a circle while frozen.

[restive storm]

would be great but need to remove tick delay when planting so u can hit

otherwise adding more flowers does nothing cuz anyone with a brain/bots walks w/ it

[carmine junco]

Dragon seeds....

[limber creek]

seeds that do a 1x3 explosion when planted damaging you and anyone under you

[brisk hill]

it was for teams of like cb lvls to farm together, not necessarily just lower lvls

[limber creek]

new multi meta is just making pretty flowers cover gdz lmfao

[carmine junco]

I think as part of my seed proposal to introduce counterplay you'll have to tick perfectly use secetuers on the flowers

To stop them from getting away

I think jagex should implement this as an integrity change

[vivid ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/scorpy-fortnite-scorpy-gif-23718636

[brisk hill]

the link skillers and pvpers have been looking for this whole time!

[vivid ruin]

New seed meta

[limber creek]

its generally not hard to hit the juke once on a person with double seeds. but with just normals yeah some people are demons and some def use a plugin lol

[carmine junco]

This exactly lmao

[limber creek]

You thought the skill ceiling was high before.

[restive storm]

yeah the plugin ones are super obv and frustrating lol, there arent too many of them this dude just had a brain

took like 500 dmg in about 45 seconds

and when he finally restored for the first time insta froze me

[small anvil]

I did have a thought about a poison dynamite type thing to damage everything on your tile

To mitigate step under log

[brisk hill]

chats died so this is a perfect time to say:
multi revs ecosystem was pog lets bring somet like it back
reduce worlds wildy is accessible
add tick delay to tele's under 30 wild

@true talon

[limber creek]

Lets hear him out. Do you dislike bots as well brother @true talon

[floral blaze]

Bring back what worked 💯

[restive storm]

🦀 🦀 jmods wont reply to this 🦀 🦀

[limber creek]

🦀 🦀

[brisk hill]

id love to be smackedown by a jmod

[true talon]

i only disagree with multi revs and reduced worlds

[brisk hill]

my b

[restive storm]

also can any ~~rogue ~~ cool chat mod pls rename this channel to "PvP Uprising"?

[limber creek]

Okay fair. Do you think anything should be done about the current state of the caves?
And reducing worlds just fair im sure some people do feel that way.

[true talon]

your uprising of 5 people is not a threat

[brisk hill]

it has derailed a channel though

[restive storm]

well they cant ignore pvp forever

[vivid ruin]

[brisk hill]

not trying to either, this just wasw the best place to be when the update was announced

[icy relic]

hold my beer moment

[limber creek]

I'm not threatening anyone. Leave ego in another server.

[true talon]

This is first time anyonr said anything about pvp and it was because they tried to make multi-rag wars worst XD

[brisk hill]

they had a discord for it b4

[restive storm]

ive said stuff before, this thread is months old https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1420260286929047654

[brisk hill]

i think this was the first pvp aimed update since the discord closed?

[restive storm]

we've been asking for a replacement disc for over a year and a half

[brisk hill]

can anyone fact check that l0l

[true talon]

I cant have d arrows as an ironman, then you cant have pvp 🙂

[limber creek]

They tried to make multi pking in general whatsoever worse not just rag wars. You are as expected. Off base once again.

They refuse to give us a pvp channel so we're chatting here. Im sorry not every chat can be ironmen-irl-phone-feet pictures or whatever you may frequent my friend.

[restive storm]

wym u cant have d arrows?

https://tenor.com/view/bunny-wth-confused-huh-what-gif-6154003038879814

[vivid ruin]

I think that fella has me blocked because i cant react to the post lol

[limber creek]

then he does yes.

[restive storm]

idk its that kinda disingenuous stuff thats like.... this is your issue? lol

[icy relic]

I have 15k d arrows

[restive storm]

we cant have pvp updates cuz u dont like playing ironman mode that you chose to play? lol

[limber creek]

He cant have them though.

[restive storm]

d imps nfs

[vivid ruin]

Must've been from last June

[limber creek]

I wanna know what update to vote no on to stop that guy from getting d arrows.

Someone call the d arrow police.

[true talon]

the one that helps pvpers

[icy relic]

these things also drop d arrows and we need to kill what, 25k of them as iron

[restive storm]

i had more d arrows than i knew what to do w/ back in the day on my iron

[true talon]

you need to kill 25k of them??

[brisk hill]

[restive storm]

would u not just farm d imps instead?

[brisk hill]

?

[limber creek]

#fashionscape is right here bro.

[icy relic]

I'm not complaining about d arrows, I have enough

[brisk hill]

pls bond man

[true talon]

spoken like a true not tbow haver

[restive storm]

lets pretend for a second that you are some sort of whiner ironman who likes to complain that he has to actually play ironman mode and you needed to farm d arrows, whats the bis method?

[true talon]

I like how i can derail the entire pvp discussion by saying d arrows for ironmen

loool

[winged mantle]

There are none. That's why irons don't use them

They are a luxury

[restive storm]

but surely just catching d imps would be more than killing 5k frost drags

[icy relic]

colo probably?

[brisk hill]

dont larrans keys dump them?

[winged mantle]

Sounds painful either way

[restive storm]

oh yeah forgot larrans keys too

[winged mantle]

Lol larrens

[restive storm]

idk i mean i did it back years annd years and years ago, wasnt bad

[main kestrel]

seeing 215k players on a random weekday is really cool to me

[brisk hill]

thats where i got mine i think

[limber creek]

you literally get dragon arrows from crazy archaelogist. Seeya in the wilderness buddy

[winged mantle]

I have like 40k d arrows but do a lot of pvm and never use them. If I did they would disappear quickly

[true talon]

Not a lot considering the time it takes to get larran keys, your better off taking the dps loss and hitting pink rocks.

[icy relic]

colo should be fairly consistent

[winged mantle]

It's not

[brisk hill]

not bad & lucky on the dagonhai

[restive storm]

yeah d imps def better than that for sure

[winged mantle]

Have you hunted d imps?

[restive storm]

yes

[winged mantle]

Cringe content

[restive storm]

many many times

[restive storm]

then dont do it?

[winged mantle]

I don't

[restive storm]

ok

[winged mantle]

The main point is There's no "good" ways to get them

In abundance

[limber creek]

Oh ellie jae is back hi Maam. Whats your take today

[true talon]

Those who say i want d ammo, because i dont have any XD.

[chrome lantern]

Yeah I've fired well over 150k amethyst arrows on my iron so these would evaporate instantly if I actually tried to use any of them

[restive storm]

d imps is a good way to get them wdym

[limber creek]

I know a good way to get d arrows.

[restive storm]

you just dont like doing them lol

[limber creek]

Be a main. Next.

[brisk hill]

we have established: d arrows are hard to get on an iron

the original statement was if some1 cant get darrows we cant get pvp

[limber creek]

Quit complaining about your self imposed restrictions.

[brisk hill]

we have been derailed

[limber creek]

Oh wahh i have to do content for items

[brisk hill]

pvpcord

RALLY

[restive storm]

remove pj timer pls

[true talon]

I know a good way to pvp, step into the wilderness. next

[restive storm]

-50xp lamps, multi revs, no teleport timer on returns

[chrome lantern]

Definitely never negative xp

[limber creek]

Ill see you at crazy arch for your arrows

[brisk hill]

i must gmaul something in the next 5 mins lest i bcome a region locked hc uim

[restive storm]

idc if its a lamp or they just have a system to reset it but let me get it

[chrome lantern]

I do personally support preventing actions that give a specific type of xp but never xp nullification or removal

[brisk hill]

ur too smart for me beast. just give me a multi ecosystem!

[chrome lantern]

Like e.g. if you "lock" defense then you could never attempt to use Longrange or turn in E.g. Dragon slayer 1

[limber creek]

Oh you put a restiction on yourself you broke on accident?
I wonder how to feel about that 😏

[restive storm]

shouldnt have that if u dont let old people fix that stuff

[chrome lantern]

Nah

[restive storm]

its kinda annoying cuz they already have built the xp lock system from last dmm

[chrome lantern]

Ultimately what it comes down to in my view is that you got the "benefit" from that type of xp whether it was intentional or not.

Xp nullification is an absolute nono

[winged mantle]

The time to get them isn't worth tbh

[brisk hill]

i see what you mean. your acc should be "locked" from inception

[restive storm]

the benefit of 3 def getting my fire cape o no

[icy relic]

so much effort making snowflake accounts have an easier time with things

[chrome lantern]

It doesn't even have to be from inception and doesn't even have to be permanent, but it could be

But it shouldn't ever delete xp

[restive storm]

its kinda annoying iironmeme pures can longrange bolt me tbf

but i cant do the same to them

smh irons get all the privilege

[tacit wharf]

skill issue

[hard axle]

death to pures

[restive storm]

theyre already dead man 😢

[icy relic]

i've been hating on pures since 2000

[restive storm]

you dont gotta kill em anymore

[vivid ruin]

Had like 50 pures steal a kill from me the other day was a little hurt

[icy relic]

pure brackets in lms

[brisk hill]

help wildy

[restive storm]

im begging for literally anything

its so bad out there

[winged mantle]

Quite the take for someone to say that

[floral blaze]

sorry boss, best I can do is seasonal dmm every 2 years and uhhh a wbr rework potentially!

[restive storm]

https://tenor.com/view/的9-gif-12565004940729182637

another wbr that i wont do cuz its gonna be lazily designed

[brisk hill]

agree

[restive storm]

yeah thats kinda why we were crashing out

[winged mantle]

The pvp community have been abandoned which isn't really fair.

[floral blaze]

yea wbr sucks balls

[icy relic]

It's kinda worse than just being abandoned

jagex stuck their hands in the cookie jar and blended all the cookies together and now they're like here, we made it better for you

[restive storm]

yeah true instead of leaving it they make even more detrimental updates to kill it faster

[brisk hill]

ye idk if abadoned sums it up right. they are still releasing dmm :v

[icy relic]

This DMM is just going to be leagues

mostly PvM

[restive storm]

wildy was abandoned for sure, dmm isnt wildy

[winged mantle]

I think they owe you something more than multi revs etc

Why I think the overhaul would be good if actually listened to pvp and healthy

[brisk hill]

statement was pvp community was abandoned. them pushing dmm means they still have interest, right?

[floral blaze]

we deserve love too 👉 👈

[icy relic]

you don't risk your bank in DMM

it's just deranged fun (or it's supposed to be)

temporary game mode

who cares if you die

[brisk hill]

hopefully that means ppl will actually fight 😄

[tender peak]

Honestly I don't see wildy abandonment as a bad thing

A large percentage of the playerbase either loathes going there or just avoids it entirely. Would it be healthy for the game if that content received updates? Absolutely! But the devs still need to cater to wider playerbase first

[icy relic]

well based on the newspost

fighting will be a waste of time

just pvm harder

[icy relic]

the devs don't really need to "cater" to anyone

[brisk hill]

i didnt get that from it : o

[icy relic]

jsut drop the content there and let people figure out how to do it

[tender peak]

I'd love more effort to be put into isolated PvP like BH and DMM, but I don't think pking has a real future anymore

[icy relic]

and let the ecosystem develop organically

[small anvil]

Bh is such a weird system

[brisk hill]

thriving private servers would argue that theres a market for it, jagex just doesnt know how to capitalize

[vivid ruin]

My clan does both pvp and pvm. And i know my clan isnt alone

Pvm content is currently old other than a few new bosses

Pvp never gets old

[limber creek]

Not only are we abandoned and actively shunned/shamed in every public forum.
Updates that appeal to snowflake accounts instead of all accounts constantly get pushed that require bonus dev time leaving us more and more behind.

Its kinda last ditch effort by any members left in the community who have even a sliver of faith that jagex may in fact pay some form of attention.

It aint much. But we mean well for the game.

A majority of us wish to destroy the botting epidemic.
Won't you at least support us in that endeavor?
Even if you hate pvpers or have ever had a bad experience in the wilderness.
And even if some of us are rude at times. (myself included lol appologies)
It aint hate for pvmers or anyone even if individuals do harbor those thoughts.

Its a complete and total disdain that honestly the best mmo pvp experience has been rotting away for years.

[tender peak]

I'm not saying there isn't a market for PvP, don't get me wrong. I'm just saying that PvM is enjoyed by a lot more paying customers

[icy relic]

that's kinda circular firing squad logic tbf

[vivid ruin]

Pvm is currently burnt

[icy relic]

you can't let the thing rot for years and prop up this dynamic that your role in the wildy as a pvmer is just to be a loot pinata for pkers

[tender peak]

I'd argue the opposite?

[icy relic]

and then act surprised that nobody wants to engage in wildy content

[vivid ruin]

Explain

[tender peak]

I thoroughly enjoy new pvm

And pvp seems exactly as interesting to me as it always has

[vivid ruin]

Do you even?

[tender peak]

I did

[vivid ruin]

What new pvm content is thrilling to you right this moment

[restive storm]

IMO my worry is that they’re pushing temp modes so hard they want to entirely seperate PvP from the main game one day

[brisk hill]

likely unfortunately

[winged mantle]

Would there ever be a way they make the wilderness/ pvp worth engaging with for irons?

Just wondering cause rn there's no need to engage in pvp

[icy relic]

This is the price we pay for no MTX, it's either we pay with our money or we pay through being farmed for engagement

[scarlet dawn]

Bringing in fresh pkers to a 'pking only wildy' would be difficult. So having pvm content is the bridge to fill that gap - unfortunately.

[brisk hill]

no way to reward an iron for a kill unless cosmetics? so idk

[tender peak]

I enjoy running moons on my iron, me and my gim partner are currently gearing up for duo yama, and I enjoy regular ToA runs

[winged mantle]

Cosmetics would be pog tbh

[restive storm]

Wilderness currently you get vw from no? Alongside lots of supplies from wbr bosses and gp from revs?

Those seem like reasons to go

[oblique mesa]

Blighted already breaks iron progression, same with wilderness agility

[winged mantle]

Mmm

[vivid ruin]

Problem is, when irons die they lose. When irons pvp, they dont win. Irons should be in a completely different server with a seperate market and set of rules imo.

[brisk hill]

i mean its a flex if youre the only iron in the raid that has robes that proudly display i killed some1 in wild or what have u

[icy relic]

not a reason to go, a reason to pk as iron

right now the best I can do is destroy someone's 500k loot key

[restive storm]

Irons can trade keys and buy bonds with it, so I don’t fully buy that

[oblique mesa]

Number go up at skully for loot destroyed is why I do it lol

[winged mantle]

It's a hard problem to fix

[icy relic]

I don't need bonds, I'm not a brokie

[limber creek]

The shunning through current popular belief is what creates a lot of the disdain for wilderness.
A lot of the arguements even had in this channel have shown a few key points as to where common misconceptions and/or grievances come from.

Reddit being reddit while albeit a place for memes or community discussions etc is also a circular echo chamber for victimhood and disdain for the pvp community as a whole.

Bots are always a point of contigency because we see these bots. Locations like chaos druids/zombie pirates, and the current rev caves are an absolutely abhorent stain upon the pvp AND pvm community. Noone enjoys them.

[winged mantle]

Cause it's not just mains

[limber creek]

I feel as if the media wasn't there pushing anti wildy propoganda the playerbase would feel more open. As well as if there were properly balanced incentives for being the most dangerous area in the game. (allegedly)

[icy relic]

I don't participate in pvp much these days but I've just phased out of all PvP games in general now that I'm older

[restive storm]

Me neither but why pay to play the game when you could just not lol

[icy relic]

but reddit is so stupid in the way they talk about wildy content

[brisk hill]

big pvm pushing anti pvp propaganda

[icy relic]

people acting like you can't do any bosses without being jumped when me and my duo have done thousands of kc and it's literally fine

[restive storm]

Break up big pvm it’s time

The monopoly gone on too long

[icy relic]

wildy pvm content is incredibly tilted towards pvmers

[vivid ruin]

Both moons and yama get boring very quick. Glad you enjoy them though

[icy relic]

this is just objective reality

[tender peak]

your solution is to spend a significant amount of usually limited free time on PvP just to save a few bucks

[tacit wharf]

but reddit is so stupid in the way they talk about~~ wildy~~ content

fixed that for ya

[icy relic]

true true

but it's especially dumb when it comes to wildy stuff

[restive storm]

Significant amount of time?

[icy relic]

it's so exaggerated and patently made up

[tender peak]

and PvP got boring for me REAL quick! It's not a definitive "pvm boring" or "pvp boring" situation

[restive storm]

Not to mention it’s just fun, and I have more gp than I could ever use

It’s a no brainer lol

[brisk hill]

what kind of pvp did u do tho?

[vivid ruin]

True but my point is pvp isnt ever the same therefore holds more gas than pvm. Pvp is endless fun. Pvm fun ends after 100 kc

[icy relic]

my favorite type of pvp has always been f2p warring, damage is way limited and you can tank 20-30 people

[brisk hill]

have u ever experienced the trill of u and 2 mates naked with a gmaul looking for a snack?

[silent flicker]

I dont pvp or do widly content with all the pk bots that switch gear load outs in 1 tick with apk

[chrome lantern]

Found a completely unrelated bug that I've noticed since at least the update before this one, just reported it in-game but thought I'd share here. Initiating a "Use" interaction (on an NPC or object - doesn't matter) doesn't use the currently-selected Run mode - it uses the last-used run-mode, which is applicable if you have used Ctrl-walk to move most recently.

It came up when I 1.5t chopped down a farming tree while Ctrl-walking, then released Ctrl, dug up the roots, and attempted to use them on the Tool Leprechaun. I did some testing and it appears Use actions just don't check your run mode right now

[silent flicker]

Not fun at all

[restive storm]

There’s like almost none of those left

And u can just dm manked and he’ll ban them

[icy relic]

tank tests and communication matter so much in f2p warring, and it's fun to just run in and lose rune sets over and over

[oblique mesa]

Jagex' is pretty good at banning AHK if you report

[tender peak]

I did some f2p risk fights years ago, I did a lot of bot hunting, I even went out with some friends and tried to get solo players.

It was fun for a few days at most

[brisk hill]

[restive storm]

Man went out for a trip w/ the boys would you look at that

Miss those days

[brisk hill]

cant even do that anymore

gg!

[restive storm]

Good old days fr

[icy relic]

can't even help a homie when we're getting hit

[tender peak]

It was fun hanging out with them but it was a lot more fun hanging out with them somewhere else

[winged mantle]

I do have a question for the pvpers - why did they remove old bounty hunter (outside of bots). I used to do pvp there back before iron and it was hella fun

[tender peak]

we were looking for something to do as a group, something that was lacking back then (and still is now, though to a lesser degree)

[restive storm]

I actually saw a team of three little noobs killing bots in recs last night, idk why really but one of them had the audacity to hit me, took that guys head off in about 2 seconds while I’m in like 100k risk vs his 3m and his friends kept trying to save him

Felt a little bad

[scarlet dawn]

Happens when u switch from outside wildy single zone to single+

😄

[restive storm]

Just cuz they cba policing the bots boosting basically

[winged mantle]

Yet we still have a bot epidemic smh

[brisk hill]

idk i was strict anti pvp until 1 day i went with some lads to multi revs & took a fella for his magician robes. since then i was hooked. i guess its just subjective. arguing from the point of: well there are more pvmers than pkers isnt necessarily fair seeing as one of those gets updates and the other doesnt really

[restive storm]

Then there was a “get a kill in a hot zone, while not wearing platelegs” and you get 45m in points per kill BH, what a cluster that was

[icy relic]

the risk system means there will always be a smaller crowd

people don't like losing their shit on a fundamental level

[brisk hill]

i understand that completely

[tender peak]

I acknowledge that part of the low PvP population is the lack of updates but I don't think PvP updates would make it any more popular with players that already avoid the wildy entirely

[brisk hill]

but since its in the game, provide updates for thos who engage

[icy relic]

but jagex also can't really change the risk structure because it's a core day 1 runescape thing

[limber creek]

Also a fair stance that noone but you has brought up so far. And im glad to tell you all we can really do is freeze log or beat them if you're a demon lol. I hate them too with a passion. Ahk bots def ruin experiences in singles at times.

[brisk hill]

smart pkers know that the majoirty of ppl who would pop up from a "wildy rejuv" arent new

it would be old blood

[tender peak]

yeah, and that's not a good plan for jagex

[icy relic]

there's a lot of old blood that would come back and that would be enough to keep the ecosystem healthy for a while

[tender peak]

Updates cannot be targeted only at old players

it would help, yes

but it would not be sustainable

[brisk hill]

you're right! which is why it would also have to engage the pvm crowd that does already engage with the wild

[winged mantle]

How do you revitalise the wildy for old and new + iron

[icy relic]

sure it's not sustainable but at this rate they're speedrunning the RS3 outcome

[tender peak]

in a way that isn't going to make them stop engaging with the wild.

Something that a lot of PvP update "suggestions" fail to do

[brisk hill]

optional pvp before 2027

[limber creek]

Its not just a few hundred either. I've read its thousands, albeit not interacted with those niche communities.

[icy relic]

which is that wilderness content hits an impasse where nobody wants to do it, nothing's ever going to pass polls, the community gets smaller and smaller, and eventually they just kill the wilderness altogether by either removing all incentives to go there or just literally removing it

[brisk hill]

at some point, the ppl who are farming the "low requirement gp printer" need to ackowledge its a food chain

which yes, isnt necessarily a good thing

[icy relic]

the demand for a low-req gp printer isn't even that big anyway outside of bots

[brisk hill]

which is why the pkers would balance 😄

[icy relic]

wildy bosses are not competitive gp for most players

and they require wildy weps too

[limber creek]

Put revs behind any requirements i dont care ill get it.

And so will the bots lol

[tender peak]

That's the big issue right there

[restive storm]

That’s why I don’t think they should target updates for players who just don’t wanna go there full stop, make updates for people who wanna be there

[limber creek]

Itd be great if we just push the ban all bots button but it doesn't exist 🙁 so we have to be subjective in our ideas.

[brisk hill]

^!

[scarlet dawn]

This happened when teleblock for f2p failed 3 polls over several years. Including the playerbase getting older, having a family, work etc., Jagex finally released it as an integrity update. However far too late since majority had already separated themselves from the game. With teleblock that peak activity would've lasted longer.

[icy relic]

There are a ton of really fun pvp game modes they could implement from other games but because there's a delicate economy, stuff like king of the hill/having to fight for control for access to a really lucrative boss ends up favoring RoT

[limber creek]

Another change for self imposed restrictions while multi suffers.

[icy relic]

and you also have to separate wildy pking from BH/ranked systems

not everyone wants a fair fight

you can already handshake on fights in BH

but that doesn't replace pking

[ember token]

if revs were to get any req, it should be a slayer req to kill them

[winged mantle]

Agreed with this

[tender peak]

The bosses are only notably rewarding to do as an iron, and only because you can't get, say, a voidwaker somewhere else. There's not a lot of incentive for mains to grind them, it's usually done for flex over anything else

By having pkers as the counter to a low req boss, you're effectively putting them directly against irons- who already have effectively no reason to engage in pking beyond survival

[icy relic]

If you don't give people a reason to try participating, nobody will find out of if the content is fun for them

[limber creek]

They can run that. But bots do slayer to.

[icy relic]

even if like 1% of pvmers realize that pking is fun and they want to keep doing it in the future

you need to have some way of getting them roped in first

[brisk hill]

that feels like risk and reward to me

[icy relic]

you don't need that many people to keep the pvp scene alive

[restive storm]

Tbf pking in singles rn is not fun at all it’s just frustrating

That’s why i stopped “honor” nhing

[ember token]

yeah i mean the only thing bots cant do is sailing, but I think slayer is a logical restriction and not something that can be trained super quickly

[restive storm]

Nobody ever dies lol

[limber creek]

People have bh world for singles if thats how they enjoy to play. I have multi revs on no worlds

[icy relic]

revs even existing is weird

[limber creek]

365>30
300>1

[icy relic]

why did they take that relic from the 76k era in particular and stick it into the game

[winged mantle]

What if they removed the wildy levels per say but just made + or minus of the players level that could attack. If you're in the wilderness - a certain range of players can always attack you

[tender peak]

it is risk and reward, but it's not implemented in a way that feels good

[limber creek]

They can make the entire wilderness leveless and let me kill everyone.
But that wouldnt be healthy for it.

[brisk hill]

where else is the risk supposed to come from in the only pvp enabled area?

[limber creek]

in his head.

[brisk hill]

im very confused tbh

[tender peak]

fights that pvmers have a better chance of winning

[limber creek]

pvmers already keep 4 items on death.
You can use those items to fight the pker.

[brisk hill]

i think that lies in their setup

[icy relic]

all the wildy bosses give pvmers a chance to fight back

[restive storm]

Makes it even safer than it already is

[limber creek]

Dudes victim posting about fighting pkers....

[winged mantle]

Ah nvm then

[icy relic]

you can bind people in webs to smite them, bear randomly hits people hard as fuck

people just choose not to bring antipk gear

[brisk hill]

this too

[brisk hill]

yes

[tender peak]

pkers get notably more reward, especially with how they can dedicate their entire inventory to beating the shit out of pvmers (loot keys bad btw)

[brisk hill]

loot keys replaced a looting bag so

no diff rly?

[limber creek]

Imagine if you have a zcb an ely a voidwaker and a halberd and the pker fighting u has surges a rune crossbow and a halberd. Who has the advantage beast?

[icy relic]

yeh but it's not unwinnable given the clusterfuck of bear walking up to you and whacking you for 50

[brisk hill]

pkers w/ more keys = pkers w/ less food

silly

[icy relic]

it's a lot more volatile

[limber creek]

And you cant even skull now since we're easyscaping things.

Who has advantage in that scenario above?

If i wildy pvm i wish a mf would hit me lmfao.

Thats extra gp on top of the content im doing. 7/10 times.

[icy relic]

yeh

lots of shit pkers out there too

[limber creek]

Pro tip. Im not even great.

[icy relic]

if they get hit once by the boss for a 30 they start panicking + are also in VW range

[tender peak]

explain how carrying all the loot in one slot is less free inventory space than carrying all the loot in the normal amount of slots

[limber creek]

Saying pkers have advantage in any sense of the word, is simply showing how off base your arguements are my friend.

[icy relic]

fighting inside a boss cave is not a BH fight

you are unskulled, they are skulled

boss mechanics can easily put them in ko range

[limber creek]

💯

[icy relic]

and your loot goes into looting bag anyway

[tender peak]

[vivid ruin]

Pkers only advantage is experience and will power

[brisk hill]

idk what you mean. loot keys replaced a looting bag which was the same thing. if anything keys take up more space than a looting bag lol

[vivid ruin]

Most situations

[tender peak]

my break ended 10 minutes ago I quite literally do not have time for this

[brisk hill]

see ya

[icy relic]

if you are actually antipking it's sus as fuck inside those caves for pkers

[vivid ruin]

Glgl

[limber creek]

5 keys. vs 1 bag. Hmm Sorry im not good with math mr pker can u help me out.

[jagged marsh]

5 looting bag is more than 1 looting bag

[brisk hill]

yeah i mean if you see a guy log in with 5 keys assume he is missing 5 food

(?)

[tender peak]

Never said looting bags were good either btw!

[limber creek]

https://tenor.com/jJDegA1ir0p.gif

[vivid ruin]

Missing more than 5 food tbh lol

[icy relic]

bear and calvarion are both damageless too

[brisk hill]

posts moved

[limber creek]

atp would you even fight back if you kept all your items?
If you could wear full gigamax would you even fight back?
Or would you still victimize yourself for no reason against some dude not using fkeys.

[brisk hill]

idk i take the same anti pk set for the most part for all my unskulled activities and its like a 1m in risk

[restive storm]

Loot keys are 1/2 good updates In The last like five years lol

[hard axle]

I've seen dumbasses act like losing gear is the biggest issue with Wildy and I'm telling them it isn't - It's just a middle ground that if they get their way, it's eventually going to cascade into a full removal of PVP.

[brisk hill]

others should do the same imo

[icy relic]

people will always optimize the most damage for the least risk

[hard axle]

If we change the loss of gear, those same mfers crying about losing their gear will cry about having their time wasted instead

[limber creek]

zcb dfs halberd voidwaker kills many a noob 😛

and if you get smited you lose a dfs. oh no. big deal

[icy relic]

there are pkers who will straight up die if you just sit on them with a bowfa and pray

[limber creek]

people choose to be victims.

[wispy current]

Yh but then u gotta sit and wait for a pker dum enough to hit u lmao

[brisk hill]

nah just enjoy your content until then lol

[limber creek]

thats pvm time 😄 exactly all they care about

[icy relic]

I mean you've gotta be a little silly to pk at calvarion and yet it happens

[brisk hill]

https://i.imgur.com/KGXoitp.png

[limber creek]

pking calvarion is so lame. Autobots logging out as you enter

[wispy current]

Isnt unskulled revs like piss loot

[brisk hill]

mine btw come thru

[icy relic]

level 13 ass boss

[hard axle]

Your point about Artio being great because it adds a dps truck against the pker if you play right is something that I agree with as well because I've killed a pretty well geared pker with mage-only setup and walked out with like 20m.

[brisk hill]

nah that ^^ is all usnkulled

l0l

[icy relic]

either land tb or land bind, can't get both before they get away

[hard axle]

^yup

remove tb/tp mechanic

add more safe zones

[vivid ruin]

Anti at agility course is always fun. See pkers log in thinking if its worth attacking or not. They usually hop

[wispy current]

Giga spoon ngl

U should see my skulled loot tracker

[brisk hill]

yea my hc hates me

dead chat means we advocate for: speaking to the wider pvp community before making changes

👍

[limber creek]

i mean look at how many times goblin and manked have spoke in this server. They obviously are working very hard and taking consumer feedback.

[icy relic]

I wouldn't speak either

I don't talk at all in the discord of the game I work on

[vivid ruin]

Bring back multi revs, nuke pj timer, gimme my -50xp lamps, don’t add a teleporting delay on restock, pls stop listening to streamers on everything pvpwise + reduce the worlds where wildy is open, expand the wildy map, add more building structure, add singles ++ between multi and singles.

Lets gooooooo

[limber creek]

They said they were going to. We had ole mod mobile or w/e in here today and she left the moment any of us spoke to her lol

[icy relic]

but I guess I'm not a CM or anywhere near that outward-facing

[limber creek]

If i cant hop all the worlds to scout a location get rid of worlds! K thanks

[brisk hill]

man kept a list

thats what im talking about!

[limber creek]

1t tele delay pre 30 wilderness to combat bots 😛

[brisk hill]

do u read any at least

[limber creek]

I dont want to bother anyone else with my shenanigans

[winged mantle]

If they move craws, viggoras and thammerons to other places in the wildy so it's dispersed it would mean irons don't want to go there. I think that would be one way you could get multi revs back

[tacit wharf]

split revs, above 30 mutli, below 30 singles

i could agree with that

[winged mantle]

Fair

[brisk hill]

they'd have to figure out the singles -> multi & multi -> singles pj timer first i think

[limber creek]

Im confused.
Are we saying multi revs are gone because ironmen dont want to farm weapons in multi revs. But would rather be in ultra bot singles revs.

[icy relic]

I used to but sometimes the toxicity is hard to deal with

you want to defend yourself but can't

cuz whatever you say gets taken out of context or taken as an official stance

[brisk hill]

thats fair

unlucky situation

[vivid ruin]

Saved to clipboard at this point

[brisk hill]

no one knows how multi to singles works btw

like, i couldnt explain it to anyone bc i myslef have no idea either

[limber creek]

Depends on the situation

Guy running from multi into singles gets last hit by ballista ragger x. Ballista ragger x is now his target and in active combat.

[brisk hill]

already sounds clunky as heck if thats how you start

[limber creek]

TRUE

[tacit wharf]

only big one i disagree with is -lamps, shouldnt be a thing, gotta live with yr mistakes

[floral blaze]

we are al hooman

[limber creek]

inb4 we've heard your feedback loud and clear and its obvious the #1 thing the wilderness needs is official account builds. Coming in 2029 pureman mode. You can only have 1 def forever.

[floral blaze]

hooman make mistakes

[winged mantle]

Should be able to lock/ unlock a skill tbh

[tacit wharf]

indeed, and hooman gotta live with those mistakes

[limber creek]

Thats called deadmanmode

[tacit wharf]

insert single mother joke

[floral blaze]

hooman deserve leniency in vidyo game

[brisk hill]

yes all 4givn if multi revs

[chrome lantern]

As I said before, only if it completely prevents you from doing anything that would grant that type of xp, and never nullifies any xp drops

E.g. won't let you turn in Dragon Slayer 1

[winged mantle]

Ooo yeah

[vivid ruin]

Ngl the first half of the list is from squintz lmao

[tacit wharf]

i listen to squintz, like i listen to my nephew

[vivid ruin]

Its a good list though!