game-update

[tacit wharf]

suppose to be getting logs added to drop table, so u dont exactly need 92 wc affter they do

[true talon]

the beak is the only issue atm

[icy relic]

It's a bigger issue when you consider the entirety of the sailing skill

Gryphon being task only and having an atrocious loot table when you can send toa with way less and just get a grey keris

[hasty shard]

^

also just the ass respawn time

making it 12 seconds doesnt help

[icy relic]

There is no late game content and the 'midgame' content doesn't actually slot in to midgame progression

[hasty shard]

for the love of god give us a like. key jingler in the arena we can click to make it respawn immediately

also for moxi

and gwd/dks because world hopping is a really shit meta

respawn times

[icy relic]

People gonna get real mad when I suggest being able to set respawn speed in GWD instances like in RS3

When you already have to pay for it

[hasty shard]

yeah no thats literally what i'd prefer lmao

would make instances make more sense
granted they do make sense now that loot actually stays for 30 mins

i dont know who would actually want super long respawn times like gryphon has

too fast in my head is cerberus respawn time

what do you mean thats 9 seconds

no shot

granted thats probably because cerb already starts off with the triple attack so its asking for more attention

shellbane is literally just like afk until nados

[icy relic]

Muspah respawn is silly too

You can PoH and tele back before it spawns naturally

[hasty shard]

it feels really shitty when the meta for kph involves doing some fuckery to get things spawning faster

[small anvil]

cerb takes a bit to be attackable

so like it appears faster than it respawns kinda?

shellbane you get acid spat on early sometimes

[hasty shard]

tf

why EVERY item 😭

[small anvil]

Yeah I can never do it

If I get hit I just accept the DMG and sometimes poh heal

Also unequipping items is asking to get picked up prob

[hasty shard]

it could just work like sol i feel

where you just click to clean your gear

taking off every item
when you need to wear one to not take guaranteed hits
and also need the weight to not get hit

y

[small anvil]

It also does more than what the wiki says I'm sure

Wiki said like 18 and I'm like no way

[hasty shard]

i presume it gives you negative flat armour

which is probably not notable since you can just yknow. pray

[small anvil]

It does like 5 splats of 8 or smth

It's just DMG not a modifier or anything

It's kinda like poison

[hasty shard]

so they make a new 'armor corroding' hitsplat

and it doesnt reduce flat armour

[small anvil]

Ya the strategy article still says 3 DMG a hit

I take 8

No clue why it's so off

[meager flame]

thats the theme of sailing

rates that make you question why you'd ever interact to begin with

thank god a bunch of their drop rates were bugged

did you see the shit they actually expected people to do lmao

[winged mantle]

Probably to do with certain armour type amount. Was getting hit 8's in robes and 3's in torva/ oathplate

Was testing if you coud afk blood barrage for a friend

[small anvil]

oh, i was using ftorso + granite legs

which you'd think would be somewhere in the middle between torva and robes

[hasty shard]

its ok you can say draco

i did too

[hard axle]

i have a method

[hasty shard]

full afk or

just what i told you

[hard axle]

its what we discussed previously

[round lintel]

almost 1200kc no enhanced, cg sucks

[green depot]

Anyone else getting some insane lag???

[half flame]

yes

across all worlds for some weird reason
aus/us/uk are all giving me 300 to 400 which is very odd

[viscid kayak]

I got logged out on mobile while playing, gives an error when logging in. Login servers down?

No error code, how am i gonna troubleshoot?

[analog crow]

In instances you should have a respawn option on the door or smth

[analog crow]

But think of the Prestige™

[chrome lantern]

3200 manta rays to go trawling

Or was it 1600 idr if 100 or 200

[blissful topaz]

when is the left click bury bone ground object feature coming?

[ember token]

never

i dont recall them ever saying it was something that was definitively coming to the game

[restive siren]

if you ask every day instead of every 3 days it makes it happen even faster!

[blissful topaz]

Potential New Player Improvements - 2026 and Beyond
Add a right-click 'Bury' option to dropped bones to alleviate some friction for early-game Prayer. We know that experienced players may never bury a bone, but the extra step of picking it up and then burying it is needless friction for beginners.

[ember token]

potential

[nocturne solstice]

Thats why you get the bonecrusher

[analog crow]

Counterpoint: burying bones should only give xp if you do it at a graveyard

[bronze kernel]

Bonus XP at a graveyard with a chance to spawn an aggressive shade or zombie that has a combat level that scales with yours

[analog crow]

I like it

[ember token]

aka one of the original random events

[signal kernel]

Making burying bones even simpler by not having to pick it up, is like some rs3 type of thing

[kind surge]

[[bonecrusher]] [[sinister offering]] [[demonic offering]]

[ornate wolf]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Bonecrusher
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Sinister_Offering
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Demonic_Offering

[blissful topaz]

im f2p

[nocturne solstice]

Become member to make grinding skills easier

[blissful topaz]

am new player

started this year

[nocturne solstice]

A year is a long time

[blissful topaz]

3 months

[nocturne solstice]

3 months is a long time

[blissful topaz]

i want to see new player changes first

i dont have much time to play

[nocturne solstice]

Thats okay

[blissful topaz]

before i go membership i feel like it would be wasted time

[nocturne solstice]

If you feel like you are wasting time picking up and burying bones then membership would not be wasted

[restive siren]

you could be waiting for a long while

[blissful topaz]

i have time

[restive siren]

any time spent in f2p is wasted time, a couple of new player qol changes wont make a difference

[blissful topaz]

in my opinion it would, for me so im gonna wait

[restive siren]

its just to make people less likely to quit right after tutorial island

[nocturne solstice]

If you have time then membership wont be wasted time 👍

Yeah just grab it whenever it works for you

[blissful topaz]

which way the game develops or will it keep treating new players like they shouldnt even be palying

[restive siren]

it really doesnt

[nocturne solstice]

I kinda doubt having to bury bones is treating players like they shouldnt be playing.

[restive siren]

it just doesnt hold your hand like most other games

and is an old game in general

janky systems and grinds are present throughout

[nocturne solstice]

Making players not have to interact with the game (Auto pickup and bury bones, left click bury bones, etc) is more "treating players like they shouldnt be playing" tbh

makes it more like an afk idle game

[ember token]

f2p is a demo

[worthy cipher]

damn so lag al the world

[zinc quartz]

Regarding the Player designed Island Competition, is there a jmod or area within the discord for Q&A regarding the competitions and things like editing an already submitted entry?

[analog crow]

Sepulchre xp rates should be doubled
You can't change my mind

[chrome lantern]

I can disagree though

It’s already both the best moneymaker and xp for the skill

And it’s not lap-course slop

I would much rather add more, different, active training methods than just buff xp rates anywhere that currently exists

Colossal Wyrm was polled as a new active training method, not a slower lap course, never forget

[analog crow]

I'd be happy with new methods. But the max focus active method being barely 108k/hr is way too low.
Especially given that the utility of the skill basically caps at lvl 90

[minor whale]

Not all skills need to have 200k XP/hr methods

Especially impactful long term skills like Agility

[austere mulch]

Give agility a low xp, afk method and it’s gucci

[analog crow]

Nothing "needs" to be anything. Agility doesn't "need" to be a skill by that metric.

[nocturne solstice]

If its usefulness caps at only 90 then i think its fine not to have big xp/hr training methods (200-300+/hr).

[austere mulch]

Fishing caps around 120k xp/hr doing 2t swordfish so imo top rate for agility is fine

[hard axle]

has a 20 minute method already, poh agility

[nocturne solstice]

Peeps are already doing the foodpedal at brimhaven or afk PoH methods so there's that

[austere mulch]

Ye true

I guess I meant more so a designed afk method

Sepulcher is great though, I just tell everyone to go there lmao

[nocturne solstice]

Imo not every piece of content needs a 7-10m afk method by design. It's good for skills to be different to feel different while training.

[ember token]

people are starting to forget that this isn't an idle game

[nocturne solstice]

Its also why im not a fan of people trying to turn every skill into slayer after the success of hunter rumours.

[minor whale]

People always get an inch and ask for a mile, every other new update you have people begging for making something else easier, faster to complete, or afk

[ember token]

every other player designed island submission has an afk agility course on it

[minor whale]

Worst part of the submissions

[chrome lantern]

Also wild that people complain about agility rates when slayer exists

It’s way harder to get maxeff slayer xp/hr than agi

[minor whale]

Is how many "afk island" submissions there are that are just "hey imagine if you didn't have to play the game actively at all to max! Wouldn't that be fun!"

[hard axle]

my favorite is when u tell donkeys that you dont need alts to get exceptional slayer xp and to just be good at zuk tasks

their response: "lol, be realistic"

got 99 slayer on my alt via zuk only

[dawn jackal]

not sure this is the channel to get into efficient slayer conversations

[hard axle]

trust, if more people knew about poh agility, and maybe if sepculher was the original 140k/hr again

they wouldnt be complaining

[analog crow]

Sure it is
At their best jagex does a good job giving different methods balancing attention, gp and xp.
They just missed the mark with agility because they’re kinda stuck in 2004 wrt this skill.

[hard axle]

it was fine until they nerfed sepulcher rates shortly after release, which weren't super broken

2x is too much imo

[dawn jackal]

wasnt seph polled at like 85k

[hard axle]

yup, but released closer to 120k peak

so they dialed it down to 100k peak (current)

[analog crow]

Why did they nerf it anyway

[dawn jackal]

well it was 2x better than ardy on release

probably

and polled at 85k

[hard axle]

and this

85k is accurate if u loot and shit

[dawn jackal]

also seph currently caps around 110k

[hard axle]

100k is if u abandon looting

skip final chest and all

[dawn jackal]

seph is egregiously balanced it just gets a pass because its the single best piece of skilling content in the game

[hard axle]

skilling in general doesn't stack up well with pvm because it has very few balancing levers

we dont really have skilling gear beyond the 2.5% stuff like we have pvm gear for pvm

so there's not really much to scale

[chrome lantern]

Meanwhile Abyssal needle required for doing remotely efficient rc

gg millions of xp at awful minigame for needle and robes

Or go get runners ig but obviously not the norm

[analog crow]

They can make skilling activities that have more room for optimization or rewards focus
Things like thieving artifacts for instance, and ofc minigames
In terms of gear yeah design space is limited, but things like the fletching knife and thread spool, reagent bag etc work well to improve processing speed or afk time

[delicate nexus]

Anyony taking bets on whether or no we get Blood Moon Rises before the 25th?

[torpid delta]

of this month? no shot

[hard axle]

like 0

[torpid delta]

they wouldn't pass up the opportunity to hype it up at the summit

[hard axle]

^it'll fill a slot

last summit or previous one

was like 4 non-maingame stuff

[hard axle]

did we even poll rewards yet?

[torpid delta]

no lol, so yeah that too

[ember token]

my guess is march

probably late march

should get a big poll after the winter summit with a bunch of things

[woeful talon]

Deadman starts 30 JAN, so I'd put Blood Moon Rises March-April especially since they polled and Vampyrium remaining accessible will be a thing

Curious if they end up sliding the 2nd Tortugan quest in next week or week after. Sailing obv changed resource allocation but they usually drop a surprisingly sizable update in the 1st 2 weeks of the year despite all of the holiday leave

and while im here, where Sailing updates are likely to fall through the year per blog, not including player designed island and the last Tortugan quest:

A new type of Port Task - Early 2026
Small-Scale Boss at sea - Summer 2026
New Barracuda Trial - Autumn 2026
Sequel Quest to an existing storyline - Autumn 2026
Sea Expansion - Late 2026

[austere mulch]

Perks of maxing after 1k+ ehb

Will never regret getting runners. Was actually fun too

[ember token]

i posted it the other day but my winter summit roadmap predictions are:
DMM -> Sailing update -> Blood Moon Rises -> Sailing update -> Free space (Summer Sweep-up type update?) -> Ocean expansion -> Raids 4

[austere mulch]

Nah the whole big update first two weeks thing is just not true tbh

We got that for like 3 years total

[ember token]

it's only been NOT true for like, the past 2 years

and like, 2013

[austere mulch]

Nex in 2022?
Leagues in 2024 I think
And secrets of the north in 2023

Go look at the update list by year

[ember token]

2015 - zulrah
2016 - zeah
2017 - cox
2018 - ds2
2019 - kebos lowlands
2020- nothing, but nightmare released a month later
2021 - soul wars
2022 - nex
2023 - sotn
2024 - nothing, but varlamore released 2 months later
2025 - nothing (bunch of QoL and royal titans released a month later, but wouldnt say thats major)

[austere mulch]

Yeah, I’m looking at more so the last 5 years, so 2020-2025

Aka the content drought years

[minor whale]

I'd doubt we get anything major early this year
We didn't have any summits for such a long time compared to normal, only 1 summit in all of 2025

[austere mulch]

And I also don’t really consider secrets of the north to be particularly big. And if you’re not into the lore of osrs, you probably don’t either

[minor whale]

If we do get anything major I expect it'll be like
Plugin API instead of a game update

[austere mulch]

So we’re looking at nothing, soul wars, nex, nothing, nothing, nothing

For January updates

[icy relic]

They will probably drop a major update a week or so after the winter summit

[austere mulch]

Yeah I’m thinking first week of feb is when we’ll get this years first big update

[ember token]

on its own fair but it also means muspah

[chrome lantern]

Soul Wars ah yes dead on release

[zenith pike]

Hey, I’ll have you know I farmed the fuck out of duos for early gp thank you gagex

[austere mulch]

Mid game boss with a bow that had no end game use at the time of its release

[ember token]

either way it certainly wasnt a minor update

[zenith pike]

That being said, atleast the bow was pretty unique and had a purpose to be explored. We don’t get stuff like that much anymore

[austere mulch]

It was a sizable update for players who are tapped into the lore of the game, that’s for sure. But regardless, from 2020 onward, it has been 50/50 at best on getting a big update in the first 2 weeks of the year

[icy relic]

Venbow is a great addition to the game regardless

[analog crow]

Ancient sceptre is also cool as a marginal upgrade to ancients

[hard axle]

Yessir

50m slayer xp from vbow only

Skotos was a bitch

but a good one to go dry on

[jagged marsh]

2025 - nothing

Oh wait I thought Yama came out earlier this year

[ember token]

it did, in may

[hasty shard]

mine has "afk" in the sense that there's crabs

someone said runecrafting crabs to me and i ran with it

so afk is "part" of the loop for like. 6 crab kills

but its probably one of the more technically active runecraft island suggestions

granted ive not actually seen many 'afk rc island'

vs the agility

[hasty shard]

i just wish diary brimhaven wasnt nerfed to shit

i would like something inbetween the brain death of rooftops and the bullshit you deal with in sep

im fucking begging that hd renderer actually shows the lower midfloors so its not just rng on if you get tapped going in fast at the end of 3/5

[hard axle]

Jagex, I swear to god. Please fix this on Wednesday:

https://i.imgur.com/FOYzHCQ.png

The lowercase name is

[sand gazelle]

It’s just a regular old shellbane gryphon of course, nothing special

[thick beacon]

they kept up the trend with sra and ralos

[compact flicker]

Literally unplayable

[austere mulch]

Reminder that they blogged ralos’ spec working two different ways on subsequent blogs; one where it was entirely useless and one where it was mostly useless

when they released ralos in its current state, which has like two use cases still even after all the new content since Colo release, they deemed it too strong and nerfed it back to the entirely useless version

Imagine they never reverted it

[meager flame]

the only thing that i think is weird about ralos

well actually its more than one thing

[austere mulch]

They’re just so inconsistently worried about power creep

[meager flame]

its kind of a collective situation

so colo is actually a great money maker right

so i can see them being hesitant to buff it and shoot the value to the moon

but also at the same time

if they're worried about stuff like that

why is the drop rate crazy lol

[austere mulch]

Like they said they didn’t want to give treads 7 str, which isn’t even a scythe max anywhere and is rarely a spec attack max hit, because they didn’t want to creep melee too much and said “our calcs tell us it fits nicely with oathplate’

[meager flame]

if its intended to be the very niche use item

[austere mulch]

Yet they release oathplate which is just wildly strong lol

From an easier boss

And then all the Colo rewards are

[meager flame]

it just feels weird like

it has a drop rate like they thought it was going to be idk

the zcb

and yeah

the power creep stuff is a little insane sometimes

like they were talking about not wanting to devalue old content and that yama did a good job not doing that too badly and sounded on the fence about how much it devalued torva

and im sitting there like

yeah it fucking bombed torva

because it did lol

and i guess that has to happen at some point but they sounded unsure of if it really did or not

[thick beacon]

personally I would not mind if the content is actually harder still sucks either way

but ralos I think deserves to be alot better even if it devalues dwh/bgs because difficulty/rarity is there

like id rather have dwh or bgs over ralos probaly still

yama situation I feel wouldve been alot better if yama was actually hard imo

[meager flame]

i mean theres an issue with trying to do it that way

lmao it sucks but basically what it comes down to is

they cant just keep making harder content be the only way to get new loot

otherwise they would just keep stacking the games difficulty until they left behind all of their players

so at some point they're just gonna make some content that is easier than some other content and it'll replace it

its the same way that as they continue to expand the mid game eventually the mid game is going to have to start consuming some of the older end game

they try super hard to keep progression horizontal and avoid as much of it as they can but they don't have infinite reward space

so things like blood moon come out and make you go "man this is basically as good as bandos lets just not go to gwd"

or whatever

[hard axle]

I still hate this

It should be 0-2

Not 4

[meager flame]

i do agree that it was like

completely unnecessary its a set so the set bonus could've just been stronger

so that when you actually wanted to use the whole set it was good but didn't replace anything

its one of those weird times where jagex makes an unforced error for no apparent reason

tbh the crazy thing to me is that i think it might actually be the same guy to do it to bandos and torva lol

so maybe they just feel differently about how close an item can get to being the same as another item without replacing it

because they're still technically worthwhile in some situations so its not like they were entirely replaced

just close enough that i think a lot of people might not care

[austere mulch]

Maybe the plan was to release easy mid-early late game content that has new BIS rewards (Yama) so they can have an excuse to give stronger rewards at new end game content

“Yama gave this, so raids 4 has to give this”

queue in justiciar 2.0

[icy relic]

Bandos prices are fine and torso has already always been good enough. So the actual comparison is just +1 str on obby legs vs +2 on tassets

Ralos doesn't even need a massive buff, just make it attack faster based on your distance from the target or something

[true talon]

if ralos was 4 tick it be the first double hit 4 tick range wep an give it many uses

sunfire splinters need another use

and remove them from wave 1

[icy relic]

^^

[kind surge]

at least make it on par with full crystal bowfa if they're so afraid of power creep or something

on par or a bit better at 0 def

[hard axle]

Yeah, that’s why I didn’t want BM to have any str bonus or less than both.

The set effect is already a damage spike and shouldn’t act as a cover over two other progression pieces 99% of the time.

[icy relic]

I kinda disagree, I think GWD being pushed later into progression the way it rightfully should be is good for the game

Reduces the burden of the CG into GWD path

[chrome lantern]

Honestly the avernic treads were insanely powerful even if identical to the base cerb boots, not to mention the ranged str. Free 3 ranged str and 12 acc over what you had before, literally everywhere, was insane.

Not to mention inv space

Switches

[hard axle]

Torso already did that imo.

[icy relic]

Nah if avernics didn't give max hits for range they would be a fraction as desirable

[hard axle]

Def still would be worth if they gave 7 melee str bonus

In that case

[chrome lantern]

I mean they would still be big just as inv space, but they also always had a proposed ranged str so they were even better

I don’t think they needed 6 melee or 2 magic to be good is all I’m saying

And it’s crazy to pretend Jagex royally screwed up by not making them 7

[icy relic]

Oh yeah

They're in a great state rn, still one of the single most impactful items

Freeze thresholds, the synergy with conflictions as well

[narrow folio]

Melee powercreep agenda

They wouldve been 7-8 str if oath didnt come out

[analog crow]

Powercreep? I riot.
Sidegrades? I sleep.

Jagex cannot win.

[icy relic]

Between rancour and oathplate scythe got a massive massive upgrade to its usability

Already unhinged how much that much raw acc helps the triple roll

[analog crow]

Surely we’ll get news about shadow rework soon

[icy relic]

People pearl clutch about powercreep when it comes to marginal marginal upgrades to shitdick content they don't do

Meanwhile magic just gets babyfang added to every hit and everyone loves it

"We can't touch the high level seed economy" while the rest of doom drops crash every non ranged item in the game, guess the shovel is too op

[analog crow]

Jagex does walk on eggshells too much when it comes to preserving metas, but it’s an impossible task and ends up in such inconsistencies

They should just focus on making good content and let the metas evolve

[icy relic]

Especially when it comes to skilling

Combat powercreep has been insane but no we can't let shark lures be too strong guys

[analog crow]

God forbid fishing sharks gives more than a pittance of xp

[zenith pike]

Games just got somewhat boring is all

[analog crow]

Maybe you need a break

[quiet plank]

Game is probably the least boring it's ever been

We've got tons of cool content last year

So I imagine a break from the game would do wonders

[zenith pike]

Already done of around 3 months now, I’m afraid the system of combat (and what we chose to fixate on) have been the least interesting in a long time

[analog crow]

What would make it better for you?

[zenith pike]

Easily the designing of new weapons that function in niches we haven’t considered, such as “melee cleave” as an example

[analog crow]

What would melee cleave look like?

Haven’t heard that before

[zenith pike]

effectively attacking in an aoe in front of your character, think of an easier form of stacking multiple enemies on top of each other and chally speccing them

[analog crow]

Kinda like the d2h spec?

[zenith pike]

More like a more localized dinhs

[quiet plank]

An aoe melee weapon could be cool

It'd probably be busted for combat training though

[dire mango]

Perhaps one that attacks up to three targets, with the secondary and third hitsplats having 1/2 and 1/4th of the main hitsplat's max hit respectively.

[analog crow]

Hits the three tiles in front of you, with the same damage calculation as the bclaw spec but distributed over the three tiles

[dire mango]

And have it be a naturally cleaving weapon. Perhaps a... Scythe?

[analog crow]

No, three tiles outwards

[zenith pike]

No, but that’s not the point I’m trying to make. The weapons have just been exceedingly boring, within the past few months since everything is primarily just range and tempo we’ve already experienced before. Not to mention how much nothing it is to talk about the mage and range styles as if they aren’t effectively the same thing

[chrome lantern]

Yeah I was going to say the scythe already does that

[zenith pike]

It’s why the last thing I was excited about was the heka, for how scuffed it is having an alternating attack speed baked was something you had to play around

[analog crow]

Imagine a scythe that works like this
Raids 4 megarare confirmed

[zenith pike]

I don’t want your imagination anymore , put it back in the box

[analog crow]

What made you like this?

[zenith pike]

Melanin

[analog crow]

Not sure how that plays a role but I wish you the best

[zenith pike]

And I wish we get some actually different things to play around with

[analog crow]

Maybe rs3 is your game
They have more variety

[zenith pike]

Take some shit from there and shove it in here, we’ve only been doing it for the past few years

Why not some more

Apart from araxxor, we butchered that one

[chrome lantern]

wym

[zenith pike]

I think in atleast how old araxxor presented itself, I’d rather have a variation of his rs3 boss fight since it was one of the only ones I genuinely liked

[chrome lantern]

I would rather not

I would rather stay far away from copying things from RS3 and make original content

Especially considering we haven't had any good content ported in the last few years despite all the nostalgia-baited mediocre ports

Some being outright awful

[zenith pike]

Yes, nex was ass

[chrome lantern]

Nex

WGS

Soul Wars

Why are people excited to port content when it all sucks

[zenith pike]

Wasn’t soul wars an rs2 thing

I guess wgs was too

[chrome lantern]

I don't really distinguish between post-OSRS RS2 and RS3

The game went downhill long before EoC

Summoning a glaring example

But also large parts of the narrative, storytelling, and game direction

I'm not saying there's a magical cutoff where all content before that was good

Not all 2007 content is perfect either

[zenith pike]

I’m well aware, it’s the only reason I hold araxxor to a higher standard

[round lintel]

The only quest id probably bring on is "The world wakes"

[restive siren]

Lmao

[true talon]

ngl RS3's TOA was badass

[zenith pike]

It wouldn’t work backported, but its premise was solid and offered genuine variety with its path system

[round lintel]

Maybe bring dungenoeering as a minigame and not a skill

[true talon]

cg is already this

[round lintel]

nah cg is a prison aids

[chrome lantern]

CG is great

[zenith pike]

If they tried to bring telos or arch glacor I’d be worried for different reasons (similar to nex), but araxxor was the only I would want closest as an osrs interpretation

[analog crow]

Dungeoneering as another cg with more variety in gameplay would go hard

[chrome lantern]

Isn't araxxor real-time gated on what fight you can do

In RS3

[zenith pike]

Yeah I wanted to say remove that portion

2/3 paths would be open

[chrome lantern]

To be clear this wasn't bait, I did more CG after bofa+armor than before

Because it's great content

[zenith pike]

Should just be all 3

[analog crow]

I’m gonna go back to cg for the pet on god

[round lintel]

maybe bring the stronghold expansion with the cockroaches

[true talon]

I think i trust them to make original fun bosses. doom was pretty good.

not really enrage type though

they turned an enrage streak boss into an endurance bs nightmare....

[analog crow]

Yeah just make sure to do qa
Looking at Yama contracts

[true talon]

cosmetics locked behind difficult content is stupid, its for validation seekers....

[round lintel]

From doom there are two things i dont like: 1. The randomness of Acid pool and 2 that spams boulders and sometimes is annoying in deep levels

[analog crow]

I’m think more about how two of the contracts were impossible on release

[zenith pike]

I think that falls under most mmo players

[true talon]

well yea, thats because no1 on the jmod team tested them..... as they were sold as not solo an then became solo

inferno cape isnt as great as it is due to it being a cosmetic flex, its a actual BIS unlock for proving yourself.

same for quiver

blood torva and recolored oathplate is just 🙁

[restive siren]

Cosmetic unlocks are great

[analog crow]

I’m fine with cosmetics behind prestige content

[zenith pike]

Most of mmos do cosmetics that you unlock via either time or accomplishment

[true talon]

im not i pref difficult account upgrades over cosmetics

[zenith pike]

Hence fucking mounts and pets

[restive siren]

Cosmetic unlocks allows them to Design content too difficult to be reasonable for a gear upgrade

[zenith pike]

and we already have pets

[true talon]

id argue that it can be difficult without having to be reasonable. entitlment to thinking you should have BIS without actually being good is pathetic.....

[chrome lantern]

I think the main point is that Contracts/Orbs don't contribute to the challenge of the trial, just make an annoying gatekeep of gp for mains (which is near negligible on mains) or time (which is disproportionately punishing for irons)

Like I don't look at someone that farmed out thousands of demons for Yama contracts and be impressed

I just ask, "Why"

[zenith pike]

True, orbs and contracts aren’t for the challenge

[chrome lantern]

Like 6jad transmog is a good one

It's a tough challenge but you don't have to pay an infernal cape to attempt it

[zenith pike]

It’s effectively just an attempt to funnel money to players that won’t

[chrome lantern]

Or an onyx

[chrome lantern]

And thereby actively discourage people from attempting

[zenith pike]

Yes, it’s bad

[restive siren]

Doesnt have much to do with entitlement or being pathetic, its about game balance. Colo and quiver are hard and nobody complains they are hard. Too many extreme difficulty dps increases widen the gap too much, making gp income too unreasonable for the best players which already clear content quicker by nature of being better

[hasty shard]

even endgame content isnt able to escape early game pandering 😮‍💨

[true talon]

they also ruined quiver by adding useless conditionals......

[restive siren]

I loved doing colo 🤷‍♂️

Sure its annoying for some cas or speedruns

[true talon]

colo is good content, im saying quiver being basically something you use with tbow and zcb is beyond bs

they shoulda made it flat 28 range and 3 range str regardless of ammo

[hard axle]

they could've been 10-12 without issue

[restive siren]

Oh i thought you meant the invos

Yeah i agree quiver should work on every weapon

[true talon]

imagine if inferno cape was +6 str, unless you are wearing a scythe then its +8

absolute clown design

[restive siren]

Still, i think cosmetic unlocks are awesome and great for the games health and population

[hard axle]

that's why i wanted radiant and blorva to have actual effects if not actual dps increases

[narrow folio]

10-12 str on boots is wild

[hard axle]

like, radiant - more demonbane, why not

blorva - 1-2% lifesteal

[hard axle]

exactly

except imagine if ti was just +4 str and just a fire cape cosmetic

like

since infernal cape, we've only gotten quiver as an endgame upgrade from a slightly difficult content

hmt - cosmetic, toa 500 - cosmetic, radiant - cosmetic, blorva - cosmetic

[restive siren]

Big difference between a slightly changed challenge mode of a boss and a completely new set of content

[narrow folio]

they dont want upgrades to be way too difficult

[restive siren]

And for good reason

[hard axle]

except none that i listed is "too difficult"

[narrow folio]

500 fine, the rest is uhhh

blorva and radiant are outliers

[hard axle]

[analog crow]

Not everyone is as hardcore of a gamer as you

[hard axle]

u dont need to be

if ur fine with infernal cape existing as a non-cosmetic, then the others would be fine too

[zenith pike]

the only hard thing about radiant was sensory clouding

[hard axle]

^and they tile solved that shit so hard

[zenith pike]

True

[restive siren]

The top 0.2% of the playerbase dont need a dps upgrade, they are doing way more dps just by skill alone already

[hard axle]

:erm'

then infernal cape would just be a cosmetic per ur own logic

[restive siren]

They made the cape slot the only exception which im fine with. Probably wouldnt have voted for it but im glad they set the precedent

I dont think they should expand past it

[hard axle]

[zenith pike]

I think said precedent was Tylenol induced, especially since jagex was about to make the bis mage cape tradable

[hard axle]

exactly lmao

tradeable bis mage cape that would let you bypass ma2 btw

[sacred oracle]

I don't mind being gatekept out of hard content.

[hard axle]

^i remember mox literally camping fire cape for 20k vorkath

[sacred oracle]

It doesn't bother me that bis is gated behind hard content, even though I don't want to do the hard content

It's okay for there to be things I don't have

If I want it bad enough, I can work for it

(And I don't wanna work for it)

[hard axle]

it's such a joke that some people can play 10k hours and then complain about maybe 30-40 hours for difficult upgrade ngl

and then ask for it not to come from difficult content going forward

[restive siren]

Are those people in the room with us

[sacred oracle]

I didn't like the tradable bis mage cape, but I would have bought it

I think it would have been fine, but it seemed weird to have 2 out of 3 capes be from hard content, and one just a random buyable

[hard axle]

yes, literally you and folks locked out blorva/radiant if it was actually meaningful

[restive siren]

I never made an argument from entitlement or opposing difficult content

My reasoning was from game balance

[hard axle]

so is mine

[sacred oracle]

Oh? How would it be unbalanced?

Or did you already explain and I just need to scroll up?

[hard axle]

they didn't

[zenith pike]

Define your game balance

[restive siren]

I think its unhealthy for the game if the gap in damage output between a good and a top tier Player becomes too large

[zenith pike]

But, that doesn’t matter

[hard axle]

And let me ask you this, how much melee str bonus is "too" much before it becomes too large.

[restive siren]

Which does widen the more infernal capes they would introduce

[sacred oracle]

Oh, so it's an inequality thing

[hard axle]

I'm serious about this because it'll show whether or not you actually understand dps

[restive siren]

There is no hard line where it would be too much for my liking, its a sliding scale

[hard axle]

they don't know...

[restive siren]

The wider the gap, the worse it gets

[zenith pike]

Like our interactions between enemies (so as long as it doesn’t pertain to PvP) is all that matters, why would is it important to limit someone else on something everyone controls individually

[hard axle]

okay so

[restive siren]

I really dont know why you are trying your hardest to be annoying when im just having a reasonable conversation

[hard axle]

Melee is the most linear and flattened style out of all three because it generally doesn't have the hyperscaling nature of tbow/bp. It also has far less accuracy than ranged/mage, while its armor typically doesn't have accuracy bonuses until super late on.

This is also why ranged/mage are so far ahead.

You mentioned above you agreed with Tassili about Quiver working on everything. I am against this and your logic should be against this too because if quiver worked on everything, it actually is the biggest upgrade across the board for ranged style, far larger than infernal cape ever was.

[sacred oracle]

My account gets more ridiculous every year

[restive siren]

Well economy mostly. I dont think its good if the top 0.1% can earn twice or 5 times more per hour than the rest, it devalues items

[hard axle]

I think you have more play hours than me

cuz I'm giga spooned and same pets

[restive siren]

Ok thank you for pointing that out, makes sense

[sacred oracle]

60 pets without infernal pet or quiver is my dream

[restive siren]

Could have just said so in the first place

[sacred oracle]

ho hum, I actually have nothing to contribute to the actual #game-update part of the chat, so I'm gonna get back to salvage

update: i lied

[restive siren]

Fwiw same reason why i thought oath contract was dumb

[narrow folio]

quiver on bp isnt even that big, out of all the things to gatekeep it's the worst

[hard axle]

It's the same reason why Burning Claws were so controversial for people with actual numbers and understanding that despite burn damage being so annoying to calculate (since it's a percentage to apply and creates a whole ass tree), it's dangerously close to dragon claws

[hard axle]

[zenith pike]

I don’t think by definition of there being so little people who can do it offsets the what enters the game

[hard axle]

it's literally

[sacred oracle]

Yeah, I disagree with the direction the game has been taking lately with sidegrades that actually end up being bis or nearly equal to bis

Burning claws is a good example of that

[restive siren]

Maybe

[sacred oracle]

You have a 4m gp weapon that's better than dragon claws in a lot of situations, or just as good, to the point the wiki starts listing burning claws OR dragon claws in its loadouts

[hard axle]

Dude, if Infernal got 24 MORE melee accuracy, I would be laughing my ass off 😭

like yes please

[sacred oracle]

If anything, I'd like a bigger gap between tiers of gear so that progression feels more meaningful at the top end

[zenith pike]

The oath contract wasn’t what fucked oathplate, it has a generous drop rate, ease of access to start and do well in, and also was getting botted to fuck

[restive siren]

In the end i come from playing wow and i have seen what it does to the playerbase if the hardest content in the game gets harder and harder and drops the best gear. Maybe osrs would go a different route, im not convinced and wouldnt vote for it

[hard axle]

EXACTLY. Y ou need a goddamn gap

[sacred oracle]

I think if you blow 1b+ on a mega super weapon, it needs to feel like a mega super weapon, and not like a slight upgrade over eye of ayak

That sort of thing

[hard axle]

look at Aquanite Hopper

[zenith pike]

Ayo?

[hard axle]

it has NOWHERE to be placed

the difference between book of teh dead and TWISTED BUCKLER

isn't that high

particularly because crossbows don't scale that well

[restive siren]

Ye they need to calm down with the sidegrades a bit

[hard axle]

and you have redditors bitching about how "hopper so weak"

bitch, it has to be

[sacred oracle]

I almost kept my hopper drop because I'm 100% sure Jagex will buff it

Now, I'm not so sure though

I don't think anyone cares enough about it to create an outcry

[zenith pike]

Because fundamentally it’s a fucked addition

[hard axle]

I remember saying buckler +10 ranged damage could be 30 and it would still be fine for pvm

but you need a cap

[restive siren]

Im holding onto my dragon barrels for the same reason cope

[hard axle]

saying endgame doesn't need to raise the levle

is just silly

and that's my whole point

[sacred oracle]

I'm 100% sure sailing combat will be dramatically reworked

I don't know what will change, but I have a lot of optimism there

So much of sailing went very right, but sailing combat went very wrong

I think Jagex know that and will address it early this year

[hard axle]

i would not mind of blorva hit 62 on salve/undead targets

[zenith pike]

I just want real new shit to play around with

[hard axle]

yes, and the best way to raise the level is to add it to endgame shit first

[narrow folio]

just seems to me you want powercreep that benefits you and want everyone without bis to get screwed

[hard axle]

cuz we always add gapfillers anyway

[hard axle]

they can be motivate to get it

TWO people did toa 500s before fang kit

after fang kit and a nerf?

1000s

10000s maybe

[sacred oracle]

I like when mega rares feel mindblowing

That feeling I had when I got my first twisted bow, long before bowfa existed, is something I don't think people get to feel much anymore, and I think that's a loss

[hard axle]

I just find it incredibly hypocritical that folks are okay with infernal/quiver existing as a dps boost, but not blorva/radiant

sorry, not hypocritical

contradictory

[narrow folio]

cape precedent + those are much harder

[hard axle]

same for hmt kits

[sacred oracle]

I like that blorva/radiant are just cosmetic, but I wouldn't be opposed to them having a sensible effect

Even if it were small

[hard axle]

they're acting like im asking for a +20 dps increase

I suggested demonbane and 1/3 of blood fury sustain

cuz blorva is literally LIGHT

anti-darkness

anti-demon

[sacred oracle]

Would it need to be charged with something for the bf effect?

[zenith pike]

Never existed outside of literally people pigeonholing themselves into saying the back slot was sacred

[hard axle]

could slap on blood shards

and then for morytania grandmaster boss

make it drop blood shards

[narrow folio]

yeah well i dont like the back slot gatekeeping either but we're stuck with it

[sacred oracle]

I don't think I'd like the bf effect, since the armor is already bis, and what keeps bf somewhat balanced is that you take a dps hit in exchange for heals

[zenith pike]

Make no mistake a lot of things exist for nothing more than jingling keys

[zenith pike]

No we aren’t, it’s a video game we can do whatever we please as long as we will it

[narrow folio]

jagex can force in whatever they like

[hard axle]

like, it's so funny that people are like "I like grinding shit out for myself cuz it feels "more" rewarding" and then throw a fit when they can't do it themselves due to skill level

jagex is only ever so cautious when it comes to the ceiling power level

[zenith pike]

Because they will never call us out for the knuckle draggers we are

[zenith pike]

Always laugh of the red prison, and tell them of the hero 450

[hard axle]

I still think when it comes down to it, the next mage cape upgrade should still consume a ma2 cape

[true talon]

people like that are just scared of failure

[hasty shard]

add ma3

[hard axle]

ma3

[zenith pike]

Dragon arrow jumpscare

[true talon]

thats a different topic of makes no sense

[zenith pike]

I just remembered your name

I wanted to say that

[narrow folio]

acting like ma2 cape is so difficult itneeds to be consumed

[true talon]

They will probably release a new ammo type to finally kill d arrows and make it much easier to obtain

[hasty shard]

ma3 is just buying a 100m emblem and standing in a hotspot for an hour

[true talon]

they did that to rune arrows

[zenith pike]

Sure, I’ll make it for you

[hard axle]

it doesn't matter if it's difficult or not, but i dont like the idea of babying folks and letting them skip over wildy by adding something that they can direclty access

it's like how infernal cape still needs you to do a fire cape

[true talon]

Its only a matter of time, just like how they solved rune issues using scar ess

[hard axle]

dont consume it, but still require it

[hard axle]

ur getting locked away

https://tenor.com/view/anime-one-piece-power-armament-haki-luffy-gif-17262795

[hasty shard]

as much of an iron update as it is

i do like scar mine

[hard axle]

imagine they kept the reason why mains would use it

the rc pet from combination runes exploit

[hasty shard]

btw thoughts on when comp cape comes out you have to hand like 500 wrath runes one by one to hagus there

[true talon]

when yama released it was one of the most profitable money makers in the game XD

[hard axle]

@true talon this thing

it was 7 rc pets per hour

or more

[hasty shard]

7m/h in pet reclaim tokens

[hard axle]

too bad we won't have this anymore unless they add another endgame tier rune

[hasty shard]

waow

[true talon]

im saying few times scar ess became viable money makers for mains

when soul runes were 500 ech

[hard axle]

it's only ever a meta shock

[narrow folio]

inch resting

[hard axle]

soul runes weren't 500 gp... were they?

I remember 420

[hasty shard]

i feel like i shouldnt have been so scared of using aether runes

like i just finished doom ca grind and the stack genuinely hasnt moved an inch

[hard axle]

it was only expensive on release ngl

and then thye keep adding more lmao

aether catalysts

[chrome lantern]

I don't feel like I'll ever have enough aether runes (ironman btw)

I have 20k rn but that's not gonna last

[true talon]

They peeked at 455 ech

thats when scar ess was bank

[chrome lantern]

Minus 7.5k for radiant

[hard axle]

just wait until they add more catalyst sources

cuz they're gonna

also demon tears were a mistake

[true talon]

aether runes for oahtplate was insane lol

what was it 30k for a cosmetic

literally more than youd get grinding yama.....

[hasty shard]

they seem to be not as bad as ancient essence

[chrome lantern]

I will admit I didn't expect them to add them to levi/sire/doom but I don't need to kill levi/sire

[thick beacon]

ive never felt aether were that essential like dammo. so idm not having 1 less inv space having less dps though I feel sucks

[true talon]

D ammo def needs some improvements

Maybe 2026

[hasty shard]

barely related tangent why cant runecraft pouches fill from bank

[chrome lantern]

Or log basket

Log basket can't even be filled without closing bank

[hasty shard]

why is filling from bank exclusive to like
coal sack

[narrow folio]

wdym? they can

[hasty shard]

no like cant you just click fill on coal sack without withdrawing coal first

[narrow folio]

ohhh

rc gatekeep ig

[hard axle]

u know

i was initially against this

but fuck it

we've gotten so many spikes in recent years

[hasty shard]

technically not an xp buff !!

[hard axle]

make it auto-go-in

[hard axle]

big buff for the floor, slight buff for the ceiling (shaves off 3-4ticks if it's insta)

[true talon]

Low lvl hunter might be the worst skill in this game.....

[hard axle]

Has the same issues as salvaging where birdhouses are just too good early on

and a very meta-defined pathway that's just braindead easy until low 70s

[true talon]

I got 89 hunter from my birdhouses on my ironman lol

but i just did 9-15 and 15-29 on my new acc an its awful

[chrome lantern]

I mean I did 9-98 at birdhouses+1 herbi a birdhouse run + a couple thousand chins for pre-ToA Kree on my Iron, it's not bad

Have 93 hunter on a snowflake iron alt mostly from hunter rumors, those are also fine

[icy relic]

Hunter is fine, people would do birdhouses even if they fixed early level stuff

Too easy to just do other things and grab some xp here and there

[nocturne solstice]

I thought hunter was pretty easy and fast even without birdhouses?
You even have the varrock museum to skip to lvl 9 and immediately start birdhousing.

[true talon]

havnt done hunter rumors yet, plan to do it on my iron for 89-99 hunter

I know the block setup is a real pain but once you get it its solid

[ember grove]

it's such a pain to setup but it's very nice after

[meager flame]

ya this is the weird stuff that happens

they make changes that really help progressing through the game but if you already did it they kind of

sometimes forget about that and don't really add good options

they kinda set you up to collectively support yourself while you do other things but if you already did the other things its like

well now what

[chrome lantern]

Yeah they added new ways to get Aether! If you want very small amounts/hr from grinds that you already did

[meager flame]

lol

[icy relic]

Had about 50k aethers from two sets of oath

[chrome lantern]

I got lucky at Yama so I got less than 10k

Still don't have helm but not in a rush since I have torva helm+body

[true talon]

I made 80k aethers from my yama grind

[chrome lantern]

You also did like 3x more kc than you needed to since you refused to ever break down a duplicate

[true talon]

ehh not really i finished at 893 shards 5 helms and 1 legs

[hasty shard]

cant you already 1t pouch

[hard axle]

need a tick to load it in inventory iirc

[hasty shard]

i thought you dont

[true talon]

i coulda traded a year of membership for 200 shards or keep grinding a boss i was enjoying

[hard axle]

@finite tapir

[true talon]

NGL after having to make an oathplate piece from scratch, i felt like going back to yama for the clog/plate over crafting.

[hard axle]

do u need a tick for the essence to load before u can put into rune pouch

I swear u did

[finite tapir]

i have no idea given the "recent" (not really recent but most recent) changes to pouches

[hard axle]

ye, neither do i

havent done lavas since...

2021 i think

or before that

but did do zmi

[hasty shard]

wait a second you couldve fucking menu stone hider'd withdrawing essence

im so fucking mad

[icy relic]

Bank presets when

[hard axle]

maybe idk

at this point, i feel like jagex would let it slide and the community would shovel down anything that remotely takes away clicks

[obsidian venture]

Hope not

Been mentioning for years how progression is just ass

And they keep adding onto that

Need the Mickey Mouse emote for this

[thick beacon]

am curious what u mean exactly like do u think theres just to much stuff to go for? op additions? or lack of bridges?

[obsidian venture]

.

Also lack of actual bridges

[narrow folio]

Progression is the best it's ever been for affordable and powerful items

Benefits most people to have strong alternatives to get into pvm

You can't keep shoving gear into gaps because there practically isn't any gap to put them into

[thick beacon]

think for most part they have done good

but I feel they crossed the line with oathplate/id argue eye they couldve been worse and still been insane

[obsidian venture]

The entirety of doom/ PM/ Burning Claws/ Oathplate to list a few

Rather them rework entire things

People dont need strong alternatives all the time to get into pvm. Its legit like coddling at this point with no sense of actual progression

You can still be shit in absolute max and that’s generally more common than you’d hope for

MMO aspect of progression + skill is getting pissed on by man babies

Now doom as a boss is good for folks due to prayer + movement, it’s the drops at the delve it’s at that’s ?

[kind surge]

if the depths uniques started appearing at were moved down like 1 or 2 depths then I think it would be fine

can buff the rates to accomodate, but like a cumulative 1/610 chance for getting a busted magic glove slot just for doing depth 4 is insane

the rate doubles if you do depth 5 too

[thick beacon]

this is the direction ive had most problem with. they are openly rewarding ppl without any investment in terms of getting better

wave 3 or whatever for doom uniques is crazy

when they made toa even more acessbile by nerfing raid they didint even nerf raid lvls below 400

they actually got better

can give people a bone but theres just no difficulty or gatekeeping for uniques at all these days I feel

yama as well is way to easy for the power level of drops

[austere mulch]

The fact that oath shards weren’t made to be untradeable was definitely a choice

Still wouldn’t help the power of items relative to boss difficulty bit, but it’d have significantly protected oathplate, and by extension Torva, priced while still accomplishing the exact same goal they set out to do with them

And would’ve made infernal shales a more profitable mining activity

[true talon]

i dont agree with this. i think yama is plenty difficult for what he drops. when you compare it to the difficulty or nex or bandos.......

you also need to think people going for oathplate in progression is not already in absolute max......

The fight is way harder if you dont got insane dps

[meager flame]

i mean no its not lol

[true talon]

yes it is......

[meager flame]

if you can equip a purging staff its over for yama

[thick beacon]

I have not done nex post changes but I would definitely argue it most likely still is harder

either way reality is alot of ppl esp irons are gona get oathplate way before torva

[true talon]

well ofc, its a much more enjoyable grind

[thick beacon]

nex requires much more supplies and is unfriendly if u dont have basic qol like elite/master cas whatnot

[true talon]

you also basically need a fang

But melee armor isnt even worth progressing till the end

you can be fine with blood moon or even barrows

[thick beacon]

other thing is oathplate is way faster to get then torva just in terms of hours

even with the nerf

[thick beacon]

its harder in a solo but duo trivalizes fight a ton

[true talon]

oh for sure

[meager flame]

i mean its kinda not though lol

its just longer

especially if you just use magic you just stand there doing the same thing until he dies

yama is very easy unless you decide to do something to make it harder but also faster

[thick beacon]

length adds difficulty to an extent imo. having to survive p3 for half the time is pretty big.

[meager flame]

i mean yeah if you're making mistakes but realistically

you're just gonna stand there being bored if you did mage p3 until he dies

it would be kind of incredible if someone actually died without starting the phase with like no supplies and 50 hp

since even messing up isn't really a big deal

like lol

your death would have to be insane like oh no i forgot my prayer and the wall hit me and i stood in the shadow crash and wait i never turned my prayer back on and didn't click anything in my inventory and finally im dead

idk lol

[thick beacon]

ye even in solo and in general fight is far easier then I thought

[true talon]

I mean difficulty is a perspective thing

i think as seasoned players we been exposed to some of the most difficult challenges the game has to offer, then new content coming out wont be that hard. outside of DOOM who was just hard due to all the bugs and lack of testing.

Its extremely difficult to up the bar of difficulty to satisfy someone who has basically GM

And then when they do up that bar, for some reason they lock it behind entry attempts......

Yama teaches a lot of mechanics that might seem easy to you, but they still improve you as a player if your newer.

Only difficult content they failed is HM tob, its not rewarding and your at mercy of your teammates more than your own player skill.

[hard axle]

That's literally the problem. They refuse to put shit at the top to create gaps so more med level items can breathe and have value.

Aquanite Hopper is literally the most recent victim of this and people's refusal to calc or guesstimate the dps before voting yes to everything.

Hopper's main use right now is smite sapphire bolt ragging

And you saying "nah, no rewards at the high end beyond cosmetics" is just

[hard axle]

wave 2 good sir

cloth is available at wave 2

ayak 3

treads 4

[hard axle]

Yup, Yama is by far the most accessible boss that has endgame drops because of the demonbane series.

Gear requirements are much lower due to demonbane, boss fights are shorter in duo/solo, and super low chip damage.

[hard axle]

Yeah, you can just camp 1 prayer and spam brew if really needed since nothing is hitting you over a 46 (autos every other attack).

[obsidian venture]

Irons rushing Yama with blue moon and purging

[obsidian venture]

Not really

They can do so without making it cosmetic…

[obsidian venture]

This

The amount of mage staves that released just to have some weird thresholds to be used

[hard axle]

Honestly, I'd rather they not do the contract system going forward and just make it a resource/gp sink IF it means we get actually good rewards at difficult content.

You bring up HMT, which I think they could fix just by making the base drop rates like 15-17%. At 13% instead of normal tob's 11%, you end up breaking even due to more team deaths from the increased mechanics.

[hard axle]

90% of the value of the next progression with less than half the requirements/grindtime

[icy relic]

The game lacks soft enrage mechanics in general

Almost none of the newer bosses punish you for really bad DPS except maybe doom

And that's not really punishing as much as oh you can't delve infinitely

[austere mulch]

Arclight and moons is like 85-90% of max ain’t it

[hasty shard]

im not really against it dps-wise but like

why the FUCK did they decide double proccing fucking bolts is a good idea in any world

any other weapon

like man if you need to nerf the already 10% proc chance a fuck ton maybe its not a good idea conceptually?

[true talon]

isnt it double proc but at drastically reduced damage

[hasty shard]

my literal exact sentence after

[true talon]

I mean outside of zcb specing crossbows are dead content

[chrome lantern]

2

[chrome lantern]

I mean one of the biggest problems for a long time has been nobody reading

Or understanding what they read

I still remember that guy freaking out because he didn’t read the poll blog and thought deadeye and mystic vigor had more requirements than just prayer level/titans kc

[chrome lantern]

Yeah it’s interesting because they were willing to make CG way more rewarding for being harder, but harder-mode CoX/ToB comes nowhere near this

Even PNM has this to an extent, should be multiple times higher unique rates

1/1600 orbs in 2026 is insanity

The other uniques also are too rare

ToA did a decent job of higher invoc = better rewards, but the “difficulty” scaled in the worst ways possible, and then they even decided to completely nuke higher level ToA while making low-level even easier and not nerfing their unique rewards at all.

Colo also “rewards” taking worse/more annoying penalties, but only if you care about hiscores

Would be interesting to see a reward modifier added to the base loot for the next waves related to their current glory values, and reduce the current base loot quantities

[tacit crater]

is today the anniversary for old school is so what time is the event

[hard axle]

yeah exactly, CG is 5x unique chance for maybe 2x difficulty

overall it's like 3x profitable

[hard axle]

slightly less, but sounds right yes

[tacit crater]

if

[hard axle]

no annivesary stuff unless its just spontaenously dropped

wednesday is update day normally

and its a sunday so most mods are offline

[true talon]

was crazy glory as a system wasnt explored for reward.........

[hard axle]

they made it work with levi

[hard axle]

u know why they didnt

they put way more effort on PM than colo

[true talon]

ya colo was lackluster from rewards to visuals having end game monster using water strike.......

only thing good about colo was the sol fight which they nailed

[ember token]

if there's an event it'll start on wednesday

probably should be, being both the 25th anniversary of runescape and the 10th anniversary of kourend

would be surprised if they didnt do anything for it

[true talon]

Manticore was a cool monster also, the jaugar furry killing people on day 1 was good for entertainment.

[chrome lantern]

Crazy how CG was good without needing a Gauntlet Orb to attempt the red version

[hard axle]

This is why I wished HMT was at least better with 2+ deaths to normal tob. You could do this by just having a flat 13-15% drop rate with 0 impact on deaths as long as you don't wipe.

Each tier should have a reason to be done (ie. normal teams nightmare could be better pet rate, but pnm for uniques).

Flexible scaling is just a balancing nightmare as shown with ToA.

[zenith pike]

Whatever comes next needs to ditch the orb system

[true talon]

after 2 failures, im sure they wont be revisiting entry keys anytime soon if ever

[zenith pike]

Were it so easy

[chrome lantern]

Remember when literally Jagex said "We won't do orbs again!" while literally making contracts

Contracts weren't even polled

[true talon]

Yea i know, but they tried to spin conracts as not orbs......... when they functioned the same lmao.

Saying that they are different is dumb. everyone knew they functioned the same and the if they didnt think so, then they didnt understand why people hate awakener orbs to begin with.

[chrome lantern]

They're honestly kinda worse

Because if there's one particular contract you struggle with

You need a ton more of that specific one but just get screwed over by it

[true talon]

ya its no longer 1 entry key per boss, its now 1 boss with 5 different entry keys

[zenith pike]

@hard axle is right about the content and cosmetics though, just to put that out there

[austere mulch]

Said the same about invocations after toa

And then we got Colo

[round lintel]

I really am not a fan of content where your character is the only one nerfed and you have no choice. For example at colo, they could easily have volatile working both ways, the Reentry to work on the npcs as well

same for Miopia

[restive siren]

So true, when i die i want to take a mob with me with my explosion

[winged mantle]

Modifiers would have been better if they powered up your character. That way you can justify making the enemies really hard/ buffed with extra mechanics

[restive siren]

Think they just should have added a predetermined invo every 2nd wave or so, any type of Power up or Power down with rng choices will lead to annoyance and wild swings in difficulty

Or just ditch them alltogether

[winged mantle]

Just both applications of modifiers/ invocations are awful. They don't add anything

People just end up picking what's least bad for their playstyle

[restive siren]

Well colo invos do add skill expression but mostly not in a fun way

[winged mantle]

They could have even done

• glory point multiplyer for x cost
• extra damage for x weapon

[restive siren]

Its only fun if you are good enough to be able to deal with all of them consistently which most people arent

[winged mantle]

Lean into the roguelike building side of things

So each run feels good

Surely for blueferno

[true talon]

i like doom, relentless and the lower hp invos, they reward you with a free invo if you are skilled.

i dont like stuff thats annoying like re-entry, volatility, solar flare.

[winged mantle]

Add modifiers that synergize (volatility + extra damage with explosions).

[restive siren]

Dont think that works in osrs

[winged mantle]

It could

[round lintel]

I mean i would have been fine if for example miopia makes npcs to hit 9 tiles away instead of 15, if volatility hits npc around nothing maybe half of what u normally would get hit, if reentry you could allign the npc to it so it gets hit 1s every 2 ticks, if frailty does 50% reduction to their heealth %

[restive siren]

Firstly not all runs feel good in rogue likes imo. And secondly inferno and colo are too difficult for subpar rng runs

[round lintel]

if relentless worked both ways

[winged mantle]

The jmods are extremely smart and talented. They just need to actually make a piece of content that's replayable because it's fun to do and the rewards are good

[restive siren]

Colo would be that without wave 1 farming and invos

[winged mantle]

Bees, red flag and totemic. Gg

[restive siren]

They can try some rogue like dungeon i wouldnt mind

[winged mantle]

When they added doom scorpion 😞

[restive siren]

But please dont test that with mage cape

[round lintel]

I took it once

didnt even make it to wave 8

[winged mantle]

If they make content make all the jmods play it

Things might actually get tweaked 😂

"we got 2 of our gm jmods to test"

[restive siren]

All that does is make the gap between good invo rng and bad invo rng even bigger. Either all invos need to be positive or all negative

[winged mantle]

Satire

[winged mantle]

Could have even done a rotating buff/ nerf. Wave 1 buff, wave 2 nerf etc

[restive siren]

Sure

[winged mantle]

Things you only get at certain waves

[round lintel]

I mean they dont have to be exactly as i described it but to make a point where I dont know who told jagex difficult content is nerfed character abilities or one shot mechanics with high defence monsters and lots of health

[winged mantle]

Like I love colo. The inconsistencies of the waves are the worst part (modifier rng)

[restive siren]

The type of difficulty in pvm just changed and probably had to change

Back then difficulty was getting chipped to holy hell

But nobody liked that

So now either you do it perfect or you die

[true talon]

colo is my favorite content. i have 95 kc on my iron just for fun.

[restive siren]

The middle ground is hard to hit

[winged mantle]

Lookong forward to the pet hunt

Did 27kc for the perma quiver

[true talon]

i already green logged.

i hope they update it to be more profitable

the gp/h has crumbled due to splinters use

[winged mantle]

Make tonalztics less rare and actually useful

[round lintel]

Vardorvis to me is a good mid difficult boss except that chip damage which is somewhat annoying but has cool mechanics and they are not one shot (not awakened) but you can still die real quick when dealing axe, head and regular attacks

[restive siren]

Give me inferno starting at wave 33 and thats my new favourite content

[true talon]

make ralos 4 tick so its a 4 tick double hit wep

[winged mantle]

I often joke when friends are streaming inferno and they spawn the first magers "ah nice inferno just started"

[round lintel]

yeah 4 ticks is not bad is not breaking meta and is still expensive to use

[restive siren]

Then you get cocky at 31 and just die

[true talon]

I just want colo to be good again.

SOL is such a great fight

[round lintel]

at this point i dont think they will ever touch colo for anything

same as inferno

[true talon]

they have cleaned up end game content when it falls short

[restive siren]

Yeah i doubt it too

[true talon]

colo main profit is the sunfire splinter, but the splinter isnt worth shit because of wave 1

[restive siren]

At least i dont think they will touch invos

Loot, very maybe

[round lintel]

I said that a few months ago and someone brought the message from Jagex saying wave 1 only provides 9% of the splinters in the game

where thats just a false graphic overall

how many in the 100% splinters are iron not selling theirs?

from the 9% wave 1 how many actually go to the GE?

[true talon]

Splinters just got no use tbh

[round lintel]

is a bigger number

[restive siren]

Even if they removed w1 i doubt it would have lasting effect

There are just very very few people buying splinters

[viral cairn]

anyone know by chance if they will put gryphon ca tommorow?

[restive siren]

Especially with the blessing change

[round lintel]

not at this point where bots and gold farmers farmed billion of them

[round lintel]

updates are Wed, and they didnt say anything

But im kinda sick of them adding more and more CAs from lower tiers

kinda meh

[true talon]

did they leave splinters at doom?

[viral cairn]

dunno gotta upkeep my helm

[restive siren]

Gryphon gm CA: dont fall asleep for 10kc

[viral cairn]

so just need to know thats all

[round lintel]

No

to me things they need to revisit: Colosseum and maybe change the modifier system to make glory useful for once, revisit the unique rewards and regular loot.

[icy relic]

Colo is fine for the most part, slight ralos buff, add sunlight spear, give splinters another use

[round lintel]

Yama contract system sucks and its dossiers

the new bp system sucks to get not worth even getting over toxic bp if u wait

Doom regular loot sucks too needs some rework

[icy relic]

I think it's pretty good

[round lintel]

level 8 for 800 earth runes or fire runes, and the fact that most people receive more drops in lower levels that deep delves

[round lintel]

if teleports werent 300-400k each for some reason regular loot for 1-8 not counting uniques are about 15k per lvl

[restive siren]

Its fine for some bosses to be carried by uniques

But them dropping as early as they do is bad

[true talon]

sunlight spear will never come to this game lol

[icy relic]

[round lintel]

The other day i reported 4 doom bots

i did get the message my report mattered

🙂

then the following week i reported the thieving priff bots and isaw

i also got the message after

[icy relic]

Future pmod I bow

[hard axle]

make volatility damage npcs and it would be giga meta

[hasty shard]

i dont mind colo invos just being flat nerfs but its also really fucking funny that they panic fixed totemic vbowing

like there's strategy to optimise your invos and i think thats neat

[round lintel]

it wasnt even that ez to set up

[hard axle]

yeah and it was kinda interesting that long-range was meta for the first time

[hasty shard]

im begging for them to stop panic fixing things that aren't on the tier of 7 rc pets/h

moon spear hitting 200 gets nuked because lol

i will not be blind to the fact that diary cape brimhaven agility mightve been better than sepulchre but that one still pisses me off

[true talon]

They mostly nuke it because its a bug.

[round lintel]

idk if u can call it a bug as the spec did what it should have

they just never thought anyone would spear spec Yama being bind

[hasty shard]

i am quoted as thinking of it and I didnt like the idea cause of the spec cost

but i did think of it

like idk having a failsafe of a 200 cap already implies thats the max you'd be comfortable with, no?

[round lintel]

yeah but is not something that always worked im guessing they implemented this with the sra bug

which that was really a bug but the moon spear spec wasnt really one

[hasty shard]

if they were actually super worried about super high hits the cap could easily be at 120 or something

this affects the '137 max on maledictus w/ dharoks' and whatever you can max on kephri
I guess

its not like they can't add clauses like there is for warden core and stuff though id presume

[round lintel]

only they know, i guess thats why even among themselves they call it spaghetti code

[hasty shard]

just feels like a weird kneejerk of 'actually we don't like the 200 cap right after this person announced a tech for a single spec on a 3 minute boss'

[tacit wharf]

just because the cap doesnt mean they plan on anything ever going that high or that they were ok with it going that high

more than likely it was just an arbitrary number they put in just in case (also believe they went into more of that in a reddit post about the situation)

would think of it like the weight limits on a tv wall mount its actually 2 or 3x less then what it could theoretically hold

[round lintel]

I mean believe and just guessing there wasnt a cap up until dt2 was released as the first sra was hitting 200+

and then we have the Keris max hit

which is what? 180?

[hasty shard]

in this case it was like someone screaming the tv is about to fall off though 😭

like for all intents and purposes it needed adjusting because it was going WELL over the cap

which would have been a really funny discovery if this was found during leagues where the caps are presumably removed

but yeah no just halved the actual damage instead of keeping the 200 max

which was calced to really not be a huge dps increase all considering

[round lintel]

198 is actually Partisan's max hit

in max str