game-update

[bold portal]

Who knows

[glass basalt]

I will say, not a single other skill has endgame content

[limber briar]

Nty definitely a wait angle now lol

[bold portal]

Shamanism shoulda passed back then😭

[sacred bobcat]

Real

[frail bough]

#waiters

[muted knoll]

name other skills with end game content besides like sepulchre bro lmao

just give them time

[glass basalt]

then we wouldnt have ships so no

[bold portal]

Adding special effects to weapons woulda been cool

[fair flower]

True but that's because other skills are 20 years old... This was their chance to change that and make a useful skill not a skill that operates the same way as 20 year old ones.

[sacred bobcat]

Too much time went to developing meme skill's tech so it can work in the first place lol

[glass basalt]

okay fair, but I dont mind waiting a bit longer for it

[sacred bobcat]

Well there's hope for Shamanism next 8-)

[celest solstice]

I mean agility had sepulchre, and that's like the best content in the game

[glass basalt]

I do mind how much todays update fucked us over though

[bold portal]

Yeah....in 2030 something ):

[graceful agate]

unironically, herblore

[glass basalt]

hs? the skilling activity actual skillers cant access? XD

[sacred bobcat]

Maybe..

[fair flower]

Fair I don't mind waiting longer either but it's not promising when their to busy nerfing XP rates when this week could of at least been the start of combat adjustments etc.

[celest solstice]

Fair criticism but good content

[opal scroll]

Its merely used as a gate to unlock those things.

Hunting supplies are from hunting not sailing.

The best way to get coral? Thieving.

Construction methods without sailing are better.

Fishing is the only one you technically need a boat for and its not fun, engaging or rewarding enough to justify doing it. And its moreso fishing than it is sailing so you areant really training sailing when doing it.

Its a self-serving skill like firemaking that has arbitrary unlock points for other skills. Its training methods have inherently way less value than most skills, just like firemaking. It is just used to unlock other things. Almost as if it could have just been a region expansion.

It became what I feared most.

[glass basalt]

dont get me wrong, hs is a absolutely awesome minigame
but lvl 3 skillers not having access is just rude

[tired pilot]

Oh they made combat adjustments

[muted knoll]

and what ties all that together??? sailing.

[graceful agate]

to be fair, bringing down the things that are too good had to happen first - we've already seen just the outcry from two weeks of those rates being normalised

[opal scroll]

But not training sailing. you just train sailing to unlock ways to NOT train sailing.

Just like you level firemaking just for quests.

[narrow folio]

I think we should wait longer before expecting them to reply, too early to tell whether theyre doubling down on being wrong or working on it

[glass basalt]

I mean, the rates werent to good, they were fine

[narrow folio]

The 5 tick gathering speed with better success chance felt like a weird change

[fair flower]

Rates were fine and even if they were a tad to good it doesn't mean absolutely kill them to death where no one even wants to do the skill

[narrow folio]

Like whats even the point?

[icy relic]

It's not a bad change if not for the fact that the dragon cannon exists

[narrow folio]

The skill wasnt meant to be slow. The rates were fine.

Its a nothingburger right?

[glass basalt]

@celest solstice as in the previous exp rates didnt need nerfing

[opal scroll]

I think the nerf to both the rates AND the items/hr was a mistake.

Amethyst is awful rates but I will do it 92-99 on my iron every time because the rewards are nice.

The nerf to output of salvaging was uncalled for and makes the only true reason to train sailing to get sailing xp.

[narrow folio]

Its apparently the same gathering rate or did they sneak in a nerf on that?

[celest solstice]

Rates are pretty fast, but they set precedent and are now acting surprised that it is fast

[meager flame]

i mean honestly i dont really see why people are so up in arms about the rates and why jagex kneejerk reacted so hard

[glass basalt]

exactly, we are agreeing here XD

[icy relic]

Usually tick manip gives like 20-30% extra EXP depending on the cycle length and how many chances you have to gather, sometimes a bit more

[meager flame]

i've maxed a main and an iron and this certainly wasn't the easiest, fastest or cheapest skill i've leveled to99

[icy relic]

but this is like 400% more exp from doing tick manip

[south swan]

Revert this dog water update gagex.

[narrow folio]

This is why I was annoyed people were complaining about extractor because now u get this and almost no one is happy

[icy relic]

it's disgusting even by old standards

[warm storm]

players are now 5t from 4t
crew is now 5t from 3t
success rate is slightly increased

you get salvage a lot slower now

[narrow folio]

Shit

[icy relic]

Yeah so it is much much slower to hit the 20k rate for a dragon cannon

[narrow folio]

Forgot about crew nerf

[tired pilot]

Lets be honest guys, the afk rates were too good and did not match any of our other skills. Do I think they overdid the nerf? Yes. Should they have been honest about "fixing" combat (yes, they did make adjustments and did not mention it in the post) YES!

[graceful agate]

nothing about crystal extractor's gameplay loop was fine, it needed to go, the only problem is that they didn't nerf it hard enough because evidently the buffs to compensate aren't ready yet / they're still deciding

[meager flame]

also the odds of your salvage spot being up decreased

[glass basalt]

dont forget the added ship spots are making the downtime of shipwrecks allot longer meaning 0 exp

[meager flame]

im almost certain jagex didn't even mean to do the last thing

[warm storm]

there are many other things yeah, just answering the gathering rate question

[feral wedge]

it's hilarious how no jmods have commented on anything surrounding today's updates. what happened to the team that would actually engage with the community? and LOL i think the update post on reddit might be the most downvoted post in the history of /r/2007scape

[graceful agate]

check my post history, I'm firmly on the side that salvaging's xp/hr did need to come down a little, but not this much, and it should not have affected the items/hour

[celest solstice]

Why can't my crew get absolutely hammered and throw up off the ship like real pirates?

[brazen tundra]

"lets be honest guys streamers who pushed the sailing skill got there 99 and now they nerf it for us common folk"

[meager flame]

but yeah must be a bad day in the office

[warm storm]

goblin got bullied out of the channel this morning. i feel for them.

[meager flame]

people keep talking about how to improve the skill and you just drop a nuke that basically nobody is actually happy about

and then theres a meltdown

[feral wedge]

lmaoo i need to see this

[graceful agate]

to be fair, most people are okay with it, this is literally the channel for people who aren't happy with it to talk about it

[celest solstice]

I get people being mad but being mean to jmods is fucked

[meager flame]

nah lol

[tired pilot]

Im common folk with a job and got 99 in 1.5 weeks aswell

[meager flame]

i cant go anywhere that people discuss osrs right now

including in game chat

without seeing complaints

[glass basalt]

goblin is the one lad that replies here
but one goblin can only take so mcuh critique and..harshly worded messages before mental health starts to deteriorate

[brazen tundra]

do you not see the "

[tired pilot]

in that time i remaxed with about 900 other people, which is just to fast

[graceful agate]

some guy was in here earlier ranting about a riot and talking about doxxing jmods to complain, that got shut down fast, thankfully

[meager flame]

i mean goblin is employed to be the guy that gets to experience this unfortunately

reasonable people dont hold it against him

but thats actually what his job is intended to do

[glass basalt]

can we all just take a moment to send goblin some love in these trying times?

[merry verge]

OSRS community really gets this upset about some moderate nerfs that were actually really important and healthy for the game to do, long-term perspective wise? Comeon guys really?

[icy relic]

What's your sailing level buddy

Have you played the endgame content

[meager flame]

healthy in what way

this is the real question

[celest solstice]

I think that normally is a fair statement, but if people are ganging up on him that's different

[meager flame]

thats why they hire community managers

[sacred bobcat]

Couldn't imagine being mean to ex-Mod Shauny (damn it's been 6 years since he left)

[meager flame]

they're a human shield for the developer

its as fucked up as it sounds

[merry verge]

imagine if shooting stars were 25min AFK for one click AND double exp/hr from what it is now. What would mining be? Only shooting stars.

[glass basalt]

oh this update did nothing for the long term perspective, not even good for the game whatsoever. having a new skill with higher exp rates would if anything made the game livlier

[graceful agate]

It's confirmation bias that people who are engaged enough about this to discuss it are generally the ones who are going to feel strongly about it, and on what are overall nerfs, that's going to create an impression that everyone who's talking about it is unhappy with it. Realistically 95% of the playerbase shrugs and carries on.

[glass basalt]

shooting stars is actually afk, not comparable

[opal scroll]

I think the rate nerfs would have been taking much better if they were accompanied by:

Improvement to ship combat (not a promise that its being discussed for sometime in the future).

Port tasks having ACTUAL rewards other than xp.

Not nerfing the actual salvage loot while also nerfing the rates from every direction possible.

Slightly increasing rates from actual sailing for stuff like dragon nails.

[sacred bobcat]

It wouldn't be only Shooting Stars because people would still do things like Amethyst and Runite for obvious reasons

[meager flame]

and the health of the game?

how is it impacted

ah thats right it wouldn't even matter

thats how relevant most skills truly are

sailing included

[warm storm]

arent stars like 15k xph

[merry verge]

it has great exp rates, they even buffed the more interactive ways of salvaging with tick manipulation... It's just the "one click super afk 25 min keep phone running character stays logged in click 5 clicks per hour method with huge exp" that was nerfed here?

[glass basalt]

star mining: mine uninterupted for ages at full exp, could go cook dinner

meanwhile slavaging half the time now:

[sacred bobcat]

Buffing tick manipulation is nothing short of bad design tho

[marble python]

The rate nerfs wouldn't have been bad if they did it a day or few days after release, instead they waited 2 weeks. Doesn't look good but hey I appreciate the courier port task buff

[meager flame]

the best part is the alternative

[bold portal]

Just don't see how nerfing sailing helps the "health" of the game.

[meager flame]

where people still afk mining for bone shards

[bold portal]

It's a skill that only benefits itself.

[icy relic]

Yup, stop being gaslit every time someone claims something is unhealthy

[sacred bobcat]

Tick manipulation is and should not be basis for design especially around nerfs or buffs

[icy relic]

You know what's unhealhty

[fossil mural]

I don’t necessarily care about the exp getting nerfed. But I think the drop rate on salvage rare items should’ve increased to balance them against the slower rate at which we pull salvages from the floor.

Also I felt the exp for the pulling up salvage and the cleaning should’ve remained closer together rather than nuking the later one into the ground.

Gameplay loops where you’re constantly encouraged to immediately discard the items filling your inventory, while common (looking at you granite, Barb fishing, power iron mining etc), feel just bad.

[icy relic]

making people salvage for 1/20k drops

[glass basalt]

screenshotted right when it finally came up, was waiting for 4mins to salvage anything

[bold portal]

https://tenor.com/view/youknow-you-gif-19056787

[muted knoll]

fortnite is right around the corner bro

[bold portal]

Wrong person, dumb ass.

L O L

[sacred bobcat]

All of sailing uniques seem to have absurd drop rates for no discernible reason

[merry verge]

Are you kidding? Salvaging is more AFK than shooting stars.. (After 55 sailing, double crew salvaging and u literally just stand there AFK. They keep salvaging when spots go back up). The only thing u need to do is empty the cargo hold when capacity is reached, which has very high capacity on bigger boat after 55+

[narrow folio]

Im annoyed how they said they dont intentionally balance around tick manipulation. Then they proceeded to do just that?

[celest solstice]

If sailing launched as the slowest skill in the game, I think people would be much more accepting of the changes for sure

[icy relic]

salvaging is not more afk than stars jesus christ

[merry verge]

no? like 25k-29k

[meager flame]

this is the funniest part

[fossil mural]

And on the topic of the merchant salvage list, there is no way a ship of merchants carried 0 bank notes. Bank note a bunch of the merchant salvage drops so that we aren’t chain dropping so many things and are actually hanging onto some stuff.

[meager flame]

they talk about how they dont want to do that and about how they're going to do that in the same blog

its actually low key funny

[glass basalt]

you..have either not done much salvaging yet or never done shooting stars

[icy relic]

If you want to make a point, don't be hyperbolic and actually engage in good faith

[graceful agate]

Tbh, anyone who'd spent long with the extractor can confirm the gameplay loop it generates is unfun in the extreme, it's just the xp button that you have to press once a minute no matter what else you're doing or you're playing the skill wrong, that's awful design, and I'm firmly of the opinion that it needs to be hit again, harder, it should not give significant xp, the benefit should be in the wind motes it gives and the faster travel.

Salvaging - it wasn't a case that the xp/h was too high, but that the xp/h was too high relative to other methods. Though I do absolutely think that they should've nerfed it differently and affecting the items/hr for what was already an iron casino was a bad move.

[ionic grotto]

Where does this idea that better xp rates = unhealthy come from? Sounds like a boomer 07 purist mentality to me “if you aren’t sweating to do lavas you don’t deserve more than 25k RC xp/hr” (real take ppl had back when ZMI was proposed btw)

I’ve never heard someone say that Con being 800k xp/hr is unhealthy though. For once I thought Jagex nailed an update. Day 1 was a bit rough but things got adjusted pretty quickly and after we got through the first 30 level slog, rates were good and the skill was fun. Why does Jagex insist on ruining a good thing? This update made me really sad tbh, first time since Sailing’s release that I logged in and couldn’t even find the motivation to train it lol

[icy relic]

Stars are actually one click per 7 mins

[celest solstice]

I'm just gonna call that bait and move on

[marble python]

Bait used to be believable

[meager flame]

you wanna actually talk about something unhealthy for the game and skilling that has to do with sailing though

think about this

[humble heath]

The nerfs were good and fair, don't listen to cry baby Echo chamber reddit

[meager flame]

to generate the dragon nails and sheets to make a boat reasonably

[dusky scroll]

Good job nerfing exp for 30min afk Jagex, but also you waited too long to do it that you’ll get heat for the rest of the week lmaoooo

[glass basalt]

shooting stars you click once every 7minutes, salvaging you click the hook all the time,empty invent all the time and every minute you need to harvest the extractor. and you still get less then 1/3rd the exp from afking WT which is still more afk!

[graceful agate]

stars you have to engage on a set timer, salvaging you can literally just go 'okay, I come back and do 3-5 minutes of actual gameplay any time 20-34 minutes from now

[icy relic]

If you want 115k xp/hr from salvaging you need to move to each shipwreck, click extractor, and reassign crew. None of which is hard, but it's not afk

[meager flame]

people will kill more dragons than it takes to get 99 prayer

[gray crown]

crystal extractor was the dumbest thing to ever enter the game. autoclicker users are triggered

[bold portal]

Wrong.

[meager flame]

and that will probably drop nukes on the prayer exp economy

[bold portal]

Sometimes you will lose afk in 4 minutes and waste 20 doing nothing

[pearl plover]

god ash we need you

[ionic grotto]

The only nerf that needed to happen was the extractor, and they promised to reallocate the lost xp/hr to other activities. Instead they nerfed almost everything lol

[bold portal]

My goodness

[round lintel]

I have been saying that Salvaging wasnt afk just low effort

[steady ore]

A full 25min afk method (with some down time in there) being 40k-50k hour isn't really a problem imo, when the best methods which are active are 4-5x that xp rate.

[main kestrel]

im surprised dragon nails are still 1/2k from salvage i for sure expected it to go to like 500

[gray crown]

exactly

[main kestrel]

which gets you a cargo hold maybe

[meager flame]

nah its intended to give you the same number of nails you need to put the cannon on your boat

nothing more

[main kestrel]

more items exist tho

[merry verge]

with two crew members after 55 sailing, YES it is. you have to click every 7 mins with stars.
Salvaging you can let it run for you 25minutes and you can literally go to store and back and it's still running...

[meager flame]

its not a real place to get nails

[main kestrel]

sure sloop from frost dragons

thats fair but all otherss

[icy relic]

Bro

[meager flame]

its actually frost dragons for everything but your cannons

[merry verge]

I'm 98 mining (mostly shooting stars) and 69 sailing atm almost exclusively salvaging..

[meager flame]

assuming you did it all yourself

[icy relic]

If you have done double shipwrecks it relies on other people resetting the bad spawns

[meager flame]

also 99 prayer from frost dragons

and multiple visages

i guess

[icy relic]

as the person who resets the bad spawns for everyone else

[meager flame]

this sounds very sane i promise

[main kestrel]

yes

[icy relic]

you lose 2 mins at a time if you are purely afk doing nothing

[steady ore]

Yes, but there is downtime when nothing is being collected - which right now is significantly worse than before. I'd rather see them balance the rate and have the spots always active since extremely rare drops are involved at the mid/high end.

[icy relic]

your inv fills up

[glass basalt]

I spent a ton of dust and have over 500k dust to spare...I am over double rate for rocky pet you arent even maxed yet

[meager flame]

i also feel bad for the people that get tricked into going for slayer tasks

[lavish cliff]

The new merchant spot fucked the xp rate even more

[icy relic]

you do not get anywhere near competitive rates purely afk and also, I am fine with that getting nerfed at the end of the day IF you remove dragon cannon from salvaging

[bold portal]

half these people just making shit up lmfao.

[graceful agate]

If this was happening to you, you were doing salvaging wrong.

[meager flame]

weight of 3 just to have you turael skipping for the rest of your life slower than just killing them outright

[icy relic]

the problem is entirely with the dragon cannon

[steady ore]

I'm not sure if folks have done the math. I'm guessing without tick manip we can pull 400-600 salvage an hour right now.

[bold portal]

Most people weren't afking salvaging for 30 minutes straight.

[ionic grotto]

The thing is I could probably stomach every other change if they didn’t nerf sorting. Why is Jagex incentivizing not doing the content properly? At no point should dropping salvage be considered as a legit method, that’s just ratty lol

[icy relic]

if salvaging was star-tier content, fine, put no rewards on it other than pet chance

[narrow folio]

Sure hitting extractor isnt fun but whats more unfun is getting hit with an xp nerf with no compensation

[main kestrel]

its like stars if the stars could disappear for 15 minutes the second you get there and you need to hop right away and the dust doesnt stack and needs to be cleaned before you can afk again , but they dont youre almost guaranteed atleast 4-5 layers of it, then 10 seconds of teleporting and repeat, nothing like that here

[meager flame]

thats what im saying

[celest solstice]

Is that with 2 crew?

[steady ore]

That'd be a 40+ hour endeavor for 1 dragon cannon if you went on rate.

[meager flame]

i have no idea why we have the sailing end game weapon coming from the lowest bottom feeding content the skill has to offer

[icy relic]

But the fact that EVERY iron has to sit at merchant shipwrecks for cannons

[steady ore]

Ya, that's what I was seeing being on the more afk side

[meager flame]

its not even kind of appropriate

[icy relic]

means that we will opt for the lowest-input method to do the long ass grind

[graceful agate]

there should be at least one other source, 100%

[icy relic]

it was fucking 10M+ exp for two cannons

[meager flame]

its like if we were chopping trees until a tbow dropped

[icy relic]

and you have people out here like OH JUST TICK MANIP HARDER

[merry verge]

I don't think it's bad that there is some downtime, which does encourage and reward players for actually interacting more with the game and moving around spots...
It's really not that bad, my super afk exp/hr went from 25k constant to 20k constant today, so a 25% nerf overall exp/hr.

[hard axle]

Dropping the salvage cuz cleaning the salvage isn’t a pet roll

like tf

[meager flame]

yeah the pet roll stuff is just like

yeah i guess they hate us idk

[celest solstice]

To be fair that's the communities response to most things

[meager flame]

your exp drops aren't good enough to warrant a chance at the pet

[ionic grotto]

Jagex try not to ruin a good thing challenge (impossible)

[icy relic]

It isn't, it's just a small crowd of people who don't tick manip

yet pretend like they do

if you do any sort of tick manip as I do because I'm fucking maxed

you know it's miserable and you do it out of necessity

[steady ore]

I'm surprised it was so small. My afk xp was hit big. I wasn't super watching my rates before, but based on where I'm at xp wise - I'm guessing before at full afk I was around 40-50k/hr, and today it's 20-25k/hr

[merry verge]

15 minutes downtime on a salvaging spot? Never seen that so far, that has got to be an excaggaration

[warm storm]

it's fun in small doses imo

[steady ore]

And it's the downtime I think really killing it.

You have a higher chance of getting unlucky on the spots now and seeing huge chunks of down time.

[warm storm]

i liked the old system where u can switch to afk or ticking whenever you want without feeling punished

[icy relic]

I agree!

[meager flame]

its so painful that they wanted dropping salvage to be meta

[hasty shard]

i mean its not 'meta' theyre clamping it

[main kestrel]

i mean you wouldnt know if you were afk the full 30 min right, yeae its exaggerated, i have personally never come back to a full cargo so far tho, so its like 70 salvage till logout

[hasty shard]

but nobody is going to sort it for the effort now lmao

[carmine junco]

Is it actually meta to drop it? It seems like it's still more xp to sort it

[icy relic]

And I have tried to be fair with jagex too, like two years' time people won't feel as pressured to sit there doing one thing until they hit completion

[graceful agate]

I would genuinely love to see if anyone kept uptime data and can put up a comparison

[icy relic]

but it is not acceptable given the state of the game

[celest solstice]

The rates are pretty bad now

[limber arch]

I mean I’m still gonna sort my opulent salvage for the herbs

[meager flame]

if you're tick manipulating etc yeah you're wasting your time by cleaning

[icy relic]

the best solution is just to make dragon sheet metal a catch-all resource to build the hook and the dragon cannon

[meager flame]

no few seconds of afk for you

drop while you do it and get back to work

[icy relic]

that way all the upgrades come from a variety of PvM mobs

[carmine junco]

Are you tick manipulating? I'm sure as hell not

[icy relic]

and you get to choose the content you engage with to farm those upgrades

[meager flame]

absolutely not after that change lol

sometimes otherwise though

[merry verge]

those new rates sound more balanced tho IMO based on how crazy AFK it is

[meager flame]

im post 99 so i care about getting the barrel though

and not exp

[steady ore]

I wasn't spreadsheeting it but was watching it for awhile this morning. Rough guess is we went from an avg of ~1 minute down time to ~2 minute down time from the change. But since the ship spots last around 4 minutes, it's not uncommon to see 4 minutes of down time. The unlucky side is like 8+ minutes when you've missed 2 spawns and already have 2 down.

[meager flame]

but yeah i think they went a step too far in nerfing the cleaning exp

[steady ore]

So it is possible to get 20+ minutes of down time now, though very unlikely.

[meager flame]

i can kind of understand many of the things they did

but i think the consequences of doing that are not good and they should revert

[icy relic]

The reasoning is sound

but the execution couldn't be much worse

this is just blizzard-style fun policing

[meager flame]

i personally think that having a period of cleaning your salvage while you 2t or 1.5t is very good/healthy game design

[tender peak]

The sorting xp specifically is the only part I actively disagree with

[icy relic]

oh you discovered a method we're not 100% in line with? get the fuck outta here lmao!

[meager flame]

so people aren't actually dropping a full 6 hour session of sitting on the hooks

with no variety or breaks

[graceful agate]

statistically incredibly unlikely, but possible yeah, tbh I'm of the opinion that if I'm afking that hard then it should be an accepted risk - I think jagex is fine with double spots, but not people dropping anchor for six hours and expecting 100% uptime

[odd linden]

Took a decent skill and turned it into another bad skill like agility 🤣 ffs jagex

[meager flame]

idk if they really thought that though completely when they did it

[graceful agate]

based on the totally-not-stealth-nerfs to ship spawn rotations

[meager flame]

i honestly think they were just thinking "fuck these afk players"

[icy relic]

what about allowing crew to clean salvage

[meager flame]

and didnt realize they were also messing with the not afk guys

[merry verge]

I see that point, but then again, good game design could also want to take into account that getting the loot will be lower exp/hr than looting, right?
Think of Sepulchre and looting chest versus not looting

[meager flame]

this defeats the point

[graceful agate]

I mean, iirc there was something in the dev blog to the effect of 'we did not intend 30 minute afking rates to be this good'

[meager flame]

i think its good that the player doing the tick manip stops clicking for a few seconds regularly

[celest solstice]

Can you imagine if there was a 6 hour combat training method? That would be a nightmare (zone)! No skill has ever afked for 30 minutes

[steady ore]

I think it just needs a little tweaking to ensure you don't have too big of a downtime. It would bring salvaging xp rates up a bit which seems to be a lot of peoples problem. It would also just feel better.

[meager flame]

so they need to be the one cleaning

[carmine junco]

You seem to be a bit too upset. Maybe you should go take a break and come back later when you can do more then vent.

[steady ore]

Probably has some downstream effects as well, since you would end up getting a bit more salvage/hr, so rare drops come a little sooner.

[meager flame]

thats not being upset that's just what i really think the change was aimed at

[icy relic]

Anyway I've said everything I wanted to say, remove dragon barrel from salvaging and the rest is fine

[warm storm]

if this is all ur worried about u can easily hop worlds now w/ crew positions being remembered

[meager flame]

they were trying to bop the afk exp rates

[icy relic]

make cleaning better too

[merry verge]

solution to this could be to be able to tick-manipulate the cleaning/sorting salvage as well?

[meager flame]

you definitely didnt read what you replied to

[graceful agate]

@meager flame catching strays when they've been one of the most good-faith commenters against the changes today

[carmine junco]

If you genuinely think jagex said "fuck these afk players" you must not have a very high opinion of them.

[graceful agate]

XD

[steady ore]

That is also a way to help make it consistent, though less afk. I don't love requiring a hop to make things more consistent though, even if it's not a lot.

[frozen lion]

Will Jagex finally cover themself with ash and revert update or be stubborn like mule?

[meager flame]

i would not say that i just view them as normal people like me and you

[umbral wind]

The conspiracy is clear guys
Jagex knows that any nerf at all to a chill enjoyable method for semi-afk with good rates would be received terribly

They purposely say in the post "we want it to be around 80-90k", and this is really the goal, but they know - this is osrs people are gonna have a huge cry and want it reverted

So they say this, and purposely nerf it to ~70k so that next week they can 'fix' it to 80-90k and everyone sings praises for listening to the player base. And jagex does exactly what they wanted all along

[dark pecan]

yes im wondering the exact same thing

[meager flame]

although i've actually worked at studios that make games so i know that you know

normal people will think things like that

[tender peak]

"the solution to this is (something completely antithetical to the point being made)" lmao

[warm storm]

they did specifically say they were trying to nerf full afk 2crew salvage rates so turkey isn't wrong, even if they said it aggressively

[celest solstice]

"I've seen enough, add another skilling boss to the game"

[bold portal]

"aggressively"?

The fuck, how's he aggressive.

[meager flame]

i mean it depends on how you read it

[bold portal]

Seems like a pretty chill lad.

[glass basalt]

I mean.....I would have been okay with it being 80-90k to begin with aslong as its propperly distributed..
but yeah that does sound like a good game plan sadly

[meager flame]

sometimes if you use a word like fuck people take it super aggressively

[graceful agate]

to be fair, that was the closest to 'fuck the people using this method' wording I've seen in a devblog in a while, so it wasn't even unwarranted

hyperbole? sure, but by the standards of this channel today, positively restrained XD

[carmine junco]

No, I agree, they did nerf full afk rates. But I really doubt they make that decision with the intention to fuck over the players. They're doing what they think is best/most healthy for the game and I find it unhelpful to put words in their mouths.

[warm storm]

i don't think you were out of line, just responding to the person in the way i think they read the message

[bold portal]

Pretty sure you used quotes.

[carmine junco]

They did

[bold portal]

So....the issue?

Lol.

[meager flame]

yeah lol i know im not that serious about it but i also know tone via text is hard sometimes

so i could see how someone could read it differently

[glass basalt]

they fucking wot? :0
now thats just rude!

[bold portal]

I suppose.

[main kestrel]

omg i didnt even see that yet waitt so even if you still wanted to do the 2 crewmate self sort thing at abyssmal (but fairer) rates none of that rolls for pet now

[steady ore]

"Nerf AFK Salvaging across the board so that its top end is slightly above similar AFK methods like Redwood woodcutting. Our rough estimate here is that AFK salvaging methods could top out in the 80-90k XP/hr range."

From the blog -- has anyone actually hit that rate?

[humble heath]

What has gnomonkey said cos i don't have an opinion until he does

[steady ore]

If so, what are you doing "afk" to hit it

[graceful agate]

to be fair, afaik it never did - happy to be proven wrong if someone can show they got pet from salvage cleaning, but...

[main kestrel]

yeahh

[steady ore]

I'm assuming they calc this with nerfed extractor + you on the hook + you dropping salvage + hopping if spots are down

[glass basalt]

yes they have actually! the fact that they first used a ton of exp lamps since thats allowed already for some reason is not important eright? .3

[main kestrel]

i was getting 80k hr with clicking the extractor at most 30 seconds late at mercenary pre patch

[warm storm]

with afk methods? no, not close

[ember token]

i think by afk salvaging here they just mean not tick manip salvaging

[main kestrel]

xph has been ticking down since idk where itll settle at

havent clicked reset

[meager flame]

yeah i think they just worded it poorly

they probably meant actually clicking your extractor on cd manning the hook cleaning and moving your crewmate onto the hook when you aren't using it

and also likely didn't realize they were going to change the respawn rates that that player would be seeing

[glass basalt]

oh people that havent reset their exp/h since before the update also have desent rates 😂

[celest solstice]

That's happened to a few people today in here

[glass basalt]

yup, and they used it as proof for having good exp/h

[meager flame]

tbh they changed an awful lot of stuff for being the same people that were apparently blindsided by the extractor actually being 600xp/min

[pearl plover]

fucking crickets from jagex today sheesh

what a bunch of cowards

[celest solstice]

But they did also remove safe spotting, so partial credit

[meager flame]

well its kinda toxic so you cant really expect them to like walk into the fire

[pure gorge]

Has any confirmation been given on drop rates? Specifically, ray barbs and albatross feathers were much more common based on wiki estimated rates.

[steady ore]

Actually, I don't think that's true because in the same list of points they also have "moderately AFK" as a separate category. So there is some distinction going on here for them.

[meager flame]

they aren't paid enough for that

[glass basalt]

safespotting is a core part of osrs
and in this case needed until they fix combat

[celest solstice]

I agree

[pearl plover]

Its their responsibilty. This is a business after all.

[tender peak]

It's 7:30 PM over there, most of them aren't even at work rn

chill

[merry verge]

sheep mindest, but tbf he does have some decent takes on many things

[wicked ibex]

so wait with the new sailing pet drop chances, if you clean a salvage does that roll for a pet or is it only fishing it up?

[torpid delta]

goblin responded to a few things and got buried in downvotes so yeah i imagine they're just laying low until tomorrow

[buoyant lily]

Haha yo it’s @merry verge the noxhally guy

[tender peak]

what did you say about me

[glass basalt]

they were on release tbf

[meager flame]

i mean it is one of those times where regardless of what they think or like individual people think

the backlash is large enough that they clearly weren't serving most of their players

so something will likely get changed

[graceful agate]

This is legit one of the things I'm most interested in - have done a whole load of mantas - and did some more this morning - the rates are nowhere near what's in the devblog (much closer to the wiki's estimated rates) - very curious if there might be an 'on task' modifier to sea creature droprates

[ionic grotto]

They better not wait a week on this. They have one chance to salvage (pun intended lol) this and that’s to reverse several of today’s changes by tomorrow.

[celest solstice]

I think a lot of this was expectations as well because the rates were so high for 2 weeks and well after the race to 99

[merry verge]

wow u manifested

[meager flame]

i mean if i were them i'd try allowing cleaning to be a little decent and adding an extra ship to the minimum that they allow to be up

[glass basalt]

I mean if they dont fix salvaging by tomorrow, I am gonna wait with slavaging until they do fix it

[warm storm]

imo there is currently a bug making these rates better than they "should" be. but the rates they have listed are disastrous so hopefully it's one that doesn't get fixed

[pure gorge]

Were you getting them pretty commonly this morning still?

[graceful agate]

that's just now how jagex operates, I expect we'll see another balancing round in a week's time - just do something that's not salvaging for a bit

[meager flame]

so people would get some exp back

[ionic grotto]

The only change that ultimately needed to happen was the extractor nerf that’s fine, the only other change that should stick is the buff to port tasks.

[main kestrel]

reverse goes too far probably, gentle middle ground until more thorough solutions are discussed or polled even

[glass basalt]

problem is..I have pretty much completed everythign that sint salvaging!

[ionic grotto]

Everything else needs to be reversed

[ionic grotto]

I didn’t say scrap everything holy shit lol

[merry verge]

yo wassup, yeah I was the guy saying how good noxhally was early before people realized and it went to 60m lol

[graceful agate]

I was, yeah. I don't think they actually changed anything regarding drop rates with today's patch, 7 drops in 53 mantas (all 'on-task') after patch, before work today

[gray crown]

so salvaging its basically meta to now drop everything. as loot and xp is trash

[scarlet helm]

riot in w302 fally for anyone who is mad about the sailing nerfs

[buoyant lily]

Absolute legend

[glass basalt]

tell the lads there I am with them in spirit

[main kestrel]

i swear that said 'see all of ... reversed' not "reverse several of", my badd ^^ dentge

[true oriole]

Hey guys this updates pretty great

[merry verge]

please don't misuse riot power for a good and appropriate change like this

that will have them take us less seriously if(when) they misstep way more in the future..

[gray crown]

How is it meta to buff tick manipulation for the 0.1% and nerf afk for the 90% that don't want to sweat trials?

[graceful agate]

yeah, it's literally 'community that cried wolf' - I've seen that ruin other games, I think Jagex has a thicker skin, but it's still no bueno

[buoyant lily]

This update was pretty good in my opinion tho who wants to skill faster?

[ionic grotto]

This is also just objectively incorrect, hot fixes are a thing for a reason. They were very on top of such things on day 1 of Sailing. In this case the heavy backlash warrants this being addressed tomorrow. Anything short of that should be considered a failure on Jagex’s part.

[craggy radish]

That is a crazy ratio

[graceful agate]

go farm some storms? XD

[burnt rain]

absolutely ratio'd

[tacit wharf]

all that xp waste.....

[steady ore]

Ah, I found it in goblin's reply. 80-90k rate was expected if you salvage some, swap the crew on while you clean. Didn't mention the extractor but I think you'd have to ping that still since it's an additional ~14k/hr onto the rate.

I can't find any accounting for the additional downtime on spots so I doubt that was calc'ed in with this.

[scarlet helm]

l0l you shouldnt try to talk when your mouth is full of Jagex's boot, I'm having trouble understanding you

[glass basalt]

not before the safespot is back or combat is fixed XD

[true oriole]

If everyone spent less time complaining and more time doing trials theyd be 99 already

[meager flame]

I actually can’t believe this is less popular than wrathmaw

[scarlet helm]

pull their boot out your mouth then say that again

[glass basalt]

why would we do trials?

[true oriole]

More active = more xp/hr. Math checks out

[buoyant lily]

Why not

[meager flame]

Like I’m not a fan but lmao people really hated the update today

[graceful agate]

hotfixes are used for unintended and actively problematic issues with the game, not 'things people aren't happy about' - historically Jagex has almost always reversed those with the next weekly patch

[graceful agate]

got a shadow? if so, use it. if not, fair play XD

[glass basalt]

trials are not worth it
for a supposed high exp skill...trials are low exp/h and very click intensive
also nor ewards at all except for exp

[ionic grotto]

They buffed and nerfed several things on day 1 to do with Sailing because of early complaints. If you weren’t there then don’t talk about this like you know what you’re talking about lol.

[meager flame]

Tbh I think they should probably just adjust a little tomorrow

And start talking more

[merry verge]

I've spent a lot of time criticising Jagex this whole year about not fixing a tier 4 melee prayer yet and several other things, like leaving duel arena in a state when join-leave or join-suicide is META for imbues and crap like that. I am by no means afraid to criticise when criticism is due.

[meager flame]

If they had suggested this stuff in public the less thought out parts of it wouldn’t have made it through probably

[warm storm]

they are bis xp, what are u talking about

[ionic grotto]

Not to mention they blatantly lied to us a week ago

[silent orchid]

Oh hey mercenary salvage has double spots now, so that's neat I guess

[ionic grotto]

They said “we’ll probably nerf the extractor but redistribute the lost xp elsewhere” and then just like, didn’t… lmao

[glass basalt]

bis as in curently highe...oh wait no you can get mroe exp/h doing port tasks now
but even if that was still the case...200k/h is low
thats k´the kind exp you can expect in mid lvl WT...afking!!!

[ionic grotto]

I was onboard with what they said a week ago I was like “okay that makes sense, they can pull 15k xp/hr off the extractor and buff most Sailing activities by like 10% to make up the lost xp”

[gaunt quartz]

"200k/h is low" bro is too used to wintertodt xp

[ionic grotto]

And then that’s not what they did like AT ALL LMAOOO

[warm storm]

no, port tasks are still slower than trials.

[graceful agate]

Chill, seriously. Those were release rates and levelling paths not lining up with what they'd hoped once they had the masses of player data - when people aren't actually sailing because doing bounties from land is better xp, that's clearly unintended gameplay loops, so they first buffed early 'sea exploration' xp, then outright nixed land combat when that proved to not be enough.

[glass basalt]

they said it was gonna be a fast exp/h skill
and compare it to other skills, 200k is not exactly high

[gaunt quartz]

it is though, higher than 200k is usually reserved for processing skills

[main kestrel]

half bankstand half afk, probably fits in between afk and bankstand rates at 100k

[gaunt quartz]

for which you need to spend a lot of time/money to get the materials

[dreamy scarab]

wait till you hear about hallow Sepulchre

[timber drift]

i have extreme doubts believing anyone who salvaged is actually employed because this is some of the most unhinged baby shit i've ever seen online in the past 10 years

[dreamy scarab]

lv 92 intensive af training method maxes out at around 100k xp/hr

[glass basalt]

skills that can get above 200k with easy/afk methods: smithing, cooking, firemkaing, hunter, construction, crafting, fletching, herblore....so every skill except for mining, fishing, woodcutting and runecrafting

I dont remmeber rates for theiving but pretty sure they were way over 200k/h too and farming...well tecnically way over using a daily tree run

[meager flame]

i mean it sits* basically right where they said it would

not slow not fast

about in the middle

[ionic grotto]

I’ll just say this I’ve never once trained a skill and said “nope this is too OP, it needs to be slower so I can waste more of my free time doing it”

[glass basalt]

already greenlogged it :p

[ionic grotto]

Whoever thought this update was a good idea at Jagex should honestly be fired, they aren’t fit for game design lol

[graceful agate]

for sure, the problem with today's update is that they got some things wrong, but they did get others right - so people going 'roll back all of it we pay we say etc etc' are being actively unhelpful

[scarlet helm]

Sorry, I'm having trouble understanding you with Jagex's boot stuffed in your mouth

[timber drift]

exhibit A

[ionic grotto]

Literally nobody is saying that stop being delulu lil bro

If they are they’re trolling

Almost everyone was onboard with the extractor nerf that’s a sensible change

We’re all on the same page with that

[warm storm]

there is someone saying that like 4 messages above u lol

[meager flame]

i mean i do think many of the things they did this time could/should stick they just had a large volume of changes

and some of them i think are pretty not great

[graceful agate]

have you opened reddit in the last 12 hours? 🤣 or checked this channel history, believe me, it was the main sentiment from most of the people crashing out this morning

[ionic grotto]

Nerfing salvaging and incentivizing you to just drop the salvage is diabolical ngl

[timber drift]

wrong i think extractor was fine, was nice getting some xp fucking around with my friend ferrying him for charts

[meager flame]

maybe not even intended like with the respawn on the ships

[gaunt quartz]

I think instead of picking one side and being rabid about it, im just gonna say that nerfing the actual cleaning of the salvage is overkill and I wish we actually did get the xp of the extractor put into other places

[ember token]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249064275859996705/1440544617786511400/scong2.gif

[ionic grotto]

Yes that’s literally what we all advocated for

Jagex is tone deaf though

[hazy linden]

10% thumbs up and 90% thumbs down the update announcement, remember when sailing won the vote by 1.4% and pushed into the game ? time to get rid of this dogshit update and put sailing back to how it was.... 3 years of dev work and fkd it up within 2 weeks , good job gagex

[glass basalt]

@gaunt quartz so? what about the skills I posted?
sailing with its low 200k is on the low end clearly

[ionic grotto]

It’s crazy cuz a day ago I posted on Twitter saying how impressed I was by Sailing given that I had voted no

Now today I’m thinking maybe my no vote was correct

[timber drift]

salvaging isnt even sailing

[frozen lion]

I think even Blizzard got better ratio of likes with their shitty cinematics like Arthas disappearance lol

[umbral wind]

by far the majority sentiment has not been "roll back everything", just that they overcooked it with salvaging exp rate nerfs

literally noone is complaining that they slightly buffed port tasks for example (although I guess almost no-one even does them either), or that they made it so that crewmates stay assigned after a relog

[timber drift]

just sea fishing

[hazy linden]

go play sea of theieves

[celest solstice]

To be fair that was the reaction to sailing passing too I think

[gaunt quartz]

200k feels like a ton when I have been doing weeks of fishing for 40k/h

[hazy linden]

yeah its a meme mini game at best,

[gaunt quartz]

thats my take on that

[graceful agate]

give it two months, and I'd put money on on the skill being in a good state by then - it probably will be a rocky ride on the way though

[timber drift]

why i enjoy rs and shit like glide and port tasks now i can actually do them

[meager flame]

i think they just got scared by the volume of people afking salvage together

[glass basalt]

fishing being one of the I think it was 3 skills that are under 200k yup yup

[timber drift]

actual sailing

[meager flame]

but its kind of a setup of course that would happen its still happening rn

[ionic grotto]

Oh no players are grouping up to do content together on an MMO, ohhhh the horror!!!

[meager flame]

even with nerfed rates

[hazy linden]

so because salavaging was nerfed u now can do the shit you could have already done, but your happier now ? keep lickin windows bud

[timber drift]

u can still do this?

[glass basalt]

*4, my apologies

[meager flame]

its the new skill everyone is doing it not everyone can be online all the time

they gave them a way to get exp without actually interacting with the game

[warm storm]

the data showed 90% of xp comes from salvaging and this is a reaction, totally agree

[timber drift]

no im uim so i couldnt do port tasks i havent salvaged

[meager flame]

thus thousands of people together afking

[frozen lion]

im soon to get crystal extractor, not gonna do sailing more until they revert update

[hazy linden]

data shows its a dogshit skill and people are only gettin 99 cause they are forced to if they want a max cape abck

[ionic grotto]

Considering all the log slots and upgrades that are locked behind every tier of salvaging this shouldn’t even be a surprise

[graceful agate]

Oh for sure, I'm literally here because while I strongly support some parts of the update (and think they didn't go far enough, e.g. extractor), others definitely need a re-look (e.g. item rates for irons from salvage).

Unfortunately, there have been a lot of people crashing out and saying it should all be rolled back, if you're curious check the chatlog from the hour or so after the update went live in here. It wasn't pretty x)

[meager flame]

and they also decided to put the dragon cannon barrel in there as the cherry on top

so every iron was like wait i should stop trials

and joined the afk legions

[hazy linden]

1/18k for a dragon barrel " WHY IS EVERYONE SALVAGING" DUMB ASS GAME DEVS

[ionic grotto]

Logically unless you’re a giga sweat going for ranks or trying to speedrun the 99, you only do some trials to get the upgrades from it and then move to whatever tier of salvage you can do.

[gaunt quartz]

agility, slayer, hunter, runecrafting, mining, fishing, woodcutting, all of these do not hit 200k/h and are all not processing skills

thats like half the skills in the game man

I dont know what point you are making

[scarlet helm]

Exactly, holy shit

[timber drift]

biggest problem with todays update that its borderline impossible to get a bottled storm because the second you go to vampyre krakens you get gangbanged by 5 of them in multi

[glass basalt]

uhm? how are you not getting 200k hunter exp?

[umbral wind]

and all they had to do was properly buff everything else (except trials) and that xp distribution would spread out

They could even easily improve the number of people doing trials by adding a mechanism to finish a trial after missing a box or two for reduced xp

[cyan pewter]

Bots get to run wild and cause irrepairable damage to the economy but actual legit players 15 min afking 80k xp/h and 150k gp/h is where they cross the line, sure thing stewart.

[meager flame]

idk if they even really realized it exactly yet

but the reasons everyone is doing salvage rn have no alternative solutions

[glass basalt]

and slayer counts as combat lets be honest
but even with all of that, the majority of skills are getting over 200k an hour using easy af methods

[graceful agate]

this is one I'll happily +1, it's wild that there isn't at least one other source on the dragon cannon barrel (I'm quietly hoping there is, and we haven't found it yet, copium af, I know XD)

[meager flame]

so the exp probably wont even really change how many people are still afking

[glass basalt]

so no matter how you look at it
trials are giving less exp then most other skills can get without being click intensive

[opal scroll]

This. If they paired xp nerfs with combat buffs ther would have been way less backlash.

Hey guys we know you have issues but we maybe will eventually look at them. In the meantime hers a pile of nerfs to stuff you are enjoying.

[fringe rivet]

It's a wednesday and they're still popping

[timber drift]

i was told its unplayable?

how is this possible

[meager flame]

yeah i mean all reasons that so many people are opting for salvage remain true

[fringe rivet]

afk xp rates could be 5k an hour and they'd still be there

[meager flame]

they have nowhere else to go

[glass basalt]

instead they nerfed ship combat this update...real nice ^^,

[obsidian venture]

It’s a 30 minute afk. People are still gonna do it no matter what

[bold portal]

You can disagree with the new xp rates....while still salvaging.

[celest solstice]

Half measures are still measures

[bold portal]

Crazy shit, yeah

[meager flame]

like if i could get a barrel somewhere else best believe i would be there

[timber drift]

people wouldnt do it if the xp rates made it not worth doing

[ionic grotto]

I’ll say this I’m level 94 Sailing and have been enjoying the skill a lot since release, despite the fact that I voted no and originally thought Sailing was just a meme that should stay a meme, but I’ve engaged with every aspect of Sailing including trials, 100%ing all charts, port tasks, bounties, salvage, all of it. I thought the skill was in a good state until this update. Now my motivation to finish the grind is at an all-time low and I’m debating not even doing sailing until they fix some of the fuck ups from today’s update.

[meager flame]

but they dont give me that choice so

here i am

[scarlet helm]

ah, my bad bootlicker. I missed that

[opal scroll]

If only they asked for input on EVERYTHING they intended to change.

They kneejerked something that didnt need kneejerked when they should have kneejerked combat being abysmal.

[bold portal]

Not true, people value afk a lot.

[timber drift]

ok and its still good afk xp

[lean holly]

They should add sailing 2

[frozen lion]

If you have even slighest of dignity u would not do salvaging until reverted update

[fringe rivet]

What matters is how much time you actually put in, close to zero actual play time for 30k xp/hr? sign me up!

[warm storm]

you say u don't like society yet u participate in it........ curious

[timber drift]

sorry you can't read

[celest solstice]

OK so can you stop being rude? Thank you in advance

[bold portal]

lol, right

[hazy linden]

keep lickin windows

[glass basalt]

0 chance for pet btw

[gaunt quartz]

vuvuzela salvaging

[meager flame]

tbh i love me some good toxic update days

can you imagine how bored i would be afking for that cannon rn if this didnt happen

[timber drift]

yes, they want to change combat well. and xp nerfs is because it was clearly OP from internal statistics. they know they cant fix combat with a bunch of number changes

[bold portal]

https://tenor.com/view/youknow-you-gif-19056787

[scarlet helm]

I can't understand you, you gotta take Mod Mat K's boot out your mouth

[fringe rivet]

So afk-able I can literally go clean my windows and maybe mow the lawn and come back no problem

[lean holly]

its so good

[graceful agate]

honestly, go for it, most of the 'abuse early' has worn off, if you don't like the current state, just do other things for a bit and come back to it, genuinely - I won't be touching salvaging for the next week or so since it'll almost certainly get changed again

[obsidian venture]

Tbh this update wasn’t surprising but they did go about it poorly. That being said, even though I was also against this skill, I’m still having fun with it. There’s definitely some glaring issues to fix and I hope it gets addressed soon

[timber drift]

the real abuse early was vamp kraken safespot

[ancient nebula]

verified my phone # just to type this - revert those fucking changes right now

[hazy linden]

verified my phone # just to type this - revert those fucking changes right now

[silent orchid]

So far I seem to be down about 10% xp/hr at mercenary wrecks personally

[warm storm]

reset your xp

[hazy linden]

fake news

[ionic grotto]

Clearly I didn’t abuse enough lol

[glass basalt]

yea thats a not reset exp moment

[celest solstice]

Same

[ionic grotto]

Wishing I lost more sleep the first 2 weeks and closed out the 99 grind

[hazy linden]

osrs "abuse early and often" in order to enjoy the game that they had 3 years to work on and make it great, but promised a lot, fufiled and then took it away . good fkn going

[graceful agate]

2m a pop ironwood logs, it was glorious

[bold portal]

sweats got their reward and I see them telling other people this update is good.

[ionic grotto]

Tbf I would’ve said it was good until today

[celest solstice]

They got theirs, time to burn the bridge

[ionic grotto]

Just yesterday I was on Twitter defending Sailing

[bold portal]

Dude with 22m sailing xp was telling people to stop crying.

[ionic grotto]

Now I’m here shitting on it

Crazy how quick things change

[graceful agate]

I'm not in a rush to 99 it, I abused for gp, and don't regret that for a second

[main kestrel]

ive been at mercenary since 73 waiting for salvor paint i couldve gotten 99 at merchants but alasss we keep going

[timber drift]

thank you for your service!

[ionic grotto]

Where’s my Jagex defender check

[bold portal]

Jagex defender requires 99.

[ionic grotto]

Actually convert it to Sailing xp and apply to my account ty

[glass basalt]

took me quite a bit over 35k salvages to egt salvors, did however get a b2b as soon as I got it

[muted knoll]

yo im back

this is a W update

thank you jagex

[main kestrel]

im on 24m gp from all the alchs so thats very nice

[stable cedar]

As a 99 sailing enjoyer I am super happy with the changes, thank you jagex!

[muted knoll]

why are u clown emojiing me man can i not be happy with the update?

[glass basalt]

people not realizing that austin is just our beloved rage baiter 🤣

[scarlet helm]

I cancelled my membership over this, btw. Hope all of you aren't too addicted to do the same.

Let me remind you: earlier this year when everyone was pissed about the tiered membership survey, there was a Mod Mat K interview going around where he said something along the lines of "The players will never quit, they're too addicted. You're all talk."

MMK thinks you aint shit. Prove him wrong. This is the same playerbase that quit en masse when they put out an update we hated. They think they can get away with it now by slowly boiling us like frogs. Instead of ruining the game with one single update, they're going to ruin it with gradual changes like this.

Money is the only language they will understand. Vote with your wallet. Prove Mod Mat K wrong. Cancel your sub and go play a different game.

[muted knoll]

guess ill go back to cleaning my basement lol sorry to be a bother guys…

[glass basalt]

I spent a bunch so 19-20m here

[ionic grotto]

Imagine paying for mems

[silent orchid]

I did, I went from 60k/hr before to 53k/hr now, but I am uim, so i spend less time proportionately cleaning, which was hit pretty hard

[ionic grotto]

I let bond buyers do that for me personally

[bold portal]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-the-fuck-up-stfu-frustrated-gif-4300613

[celest solstice]

Your feelings are your own, but we do not feel them equally it seems

[muted knoll]

i will not be cancelling i think this is a W update sorry

[timber drift]

why do people keep saying that everyone who is a 99 sweat is unemployed the way some of you all are behaving could learn something from my 2 year old niece

no shot you're employed

[stable cedar]

Truth nuke

[obsidian venture]

Think they’re jealous of your happiness mate

[main kestrel]

theres been like 250 hours of gametime with a normal sleep schedule so i expect plenty 99s anyway

[bold portal]

99 in 2 weeks.

[frozen lion]

You will be salvaging even with this shit rates if you don't have shred of dignity

[cinder reef]

are we still at it in here

[bold portal]

That's sweat behavior

[graceful agate]

That's fair, but you don't pay my sub, I do, and I'll keep paying it. Honestly I was expecting sailing to have a way rockier launch than this. Give it a few months and they should have the skill in a good place.

[bold portal]

Gtfo

[muted knoll]

god forbid a fella fucks with an update.

[cinder reef]

https://tenor.com/view/cyraxx-workout-keyboard-muscles-gif-88255500606544888

[tender peak]

I think I'm going to keep playing actually

have fun with that though

[cinder reef]

get salvaging

[muted knoll]

cant enjoy shit..

[bold portal]

sailing level?

[brazen tundra]

Can we talk about how good the update is so far compared to complaining about xp rates

[muted knoll]

1

[bold portal]

Yeah, stfu.

Shit ass troll.

[timber drift]

i hope you dont employ these 'communication' 'skills' at your 'job' Jimbo!

[frozen lion]

why use 🤡 emote, real chads use 🫃

[timber drift]

https://tenor.com/view/so-good-wink-smile-oh-yeah-its-true-gif-24163876

[stable cedar]

Im 99 and I think its great, maybe you should have played more

[muted knoll]

im 92 on my iron atm

[bold portal]

Course not, I don't answer to a boss.

[steady ore]

Real talk for a moment - I was already going to be salvaging to 99 for 2 cannon barrels. Given the barrel rates, the xp rate changes don't impact this plan. 😭

[warm storm]

sure, what have you been enjoying about it?

[graceful agate]

well this has descended into people shitposting again, shame, we were actually getting some productive discussion in there for a bit

[brazen tundra]

Salvaging in particular

It’s bis afk still

[warm storm]

true

[main kestrel]

ive never before liked sticking to one skill until sailing

[pearl plover]

why does jagex hate us?

[umbral flint]

And they didn’t even change the drop rates for making it slower…

[warm storm]

as the only afk it remains bis

[ionic grotto]

Salvaging was nice cuz it gave me a chance to play an alt account and make some meaningful progress on two accounts at once

[main kestrel]

last time was crafting from 60-93

[brazen tundra]

Just play the game bro

[obsidian venture]

I do believe they’ll adjust it but to not where it was initially. If they let you gain xp for cleaning salvage back I think that’s fair

[ionic grotto]

Anything that incentivizes not sorting salvage is an awful adjustment though

[wispy bough]

just buff cleaning xp and nerf crew mate xp

[ionic grotto]

That part needs to be reversed 100%

[obsidian venture]

Yeah I think you should salvage

[bold portal]

https://tenor.com/view/youknow-you-gif-19056787

[obsidian venture]

So put back that xp

And or add extractor into it

[pearl plover]

salvaging in general was fine where it was or could have been buffed slightly in my opinon

[obsidian venture]

And is fine

[cinder reef]

shut up you are meant to like every update

[pearl plover]

this is broken af

[brazen tundra]

Let reverse it all

No GE

[celest solstice]

Forestry

[long blade]

Glad you’re enjoying this update as much as I.

[bold portal]

https://tenor.com/view/my-favorite-gif-4431449310157393602

[cinder reef]

refer to what you quoted mate

[oak burrow]

has jagex responded to anything today

[timber drift]

this update brought out some of the best content sailing has to offer so far

[celest solstice]

I'm just playing the fool for the bit

[timber drift]

its just not ingame

[cinder reef]

https://tenor.com/view/go-to-winchester-grab-a-pint-and-wait-for-this-to-all-blow-over-have-a-drink-have-a-beer-gif-17484415

[lethal wolf]

radio silence which is fascinating in itself

[graceful agate]

Goblin was in here a lot earlier, and on Reddit, but was being flamed and downvoted to hell, so don't blame him at all for peacing out

[ionic grotto]

Yeah I genuinely want to know which employee at Jagex said “let’s nerf sorting so people just insta drop unsorted salvage the second they get it” they’re basically punishing people for doing the content as intended and I’m sorry but I can’t justify possibly dropping a dragon cannon barrel that’s fucking ridiculous lol

[lethal wolf]

that is unfortunate

I wouldn

[oak burrow]

they legit dont care

[main kestrel]

ok so, my non afk, hook myself, sort myself rate went from 80k pre patch to 50k now

[cinder reef]

good work for it

[muted knoll]

lol we get to do the content for longer and they are mad about it???!!!

[main kestrel]

at 94

[cinder reef]

didn't ask not 99

[long blade]

Trials are great

[cinder reef]

how much were you paid to type this?

[silent orchid]

Oof, I went ~60k to ~52k at mercenary salvage

[celest solstice]

Trials are good for a certain type of person

[ionic grotto]

Funny cuz all the trial sweats are on Twitter bitching cuz Jagex fucked up the hitboxes on crates for apparently the 5th time lol

[lethal wolf]

I am still holding onto a fools hope that they will back track some of the nerfs. I think some decreases were fine but they were clearly overzelous with it.

[wispy bough]

port tasks are great

[ionic grotto]

So even trial players got hosed

[muted knoll]

god forbid a fella enjoys his video game

[graceful agate]

I don't think it's a fool's hope at all, my money's on another balance pass next week tweaking stuff again

[obsidian venture]

Actually no

Trials got buffed

[quartz jasper]

W update jagex

[lethal wolf]

It would certainly be welcome I thinks 🙂

[obsidian venture]

Due to the keg bonus xp applying at the end of the lap

So trials are now better even with the extractor nerf

[celest solstice]

I haven't tried since the update, how was it buffed?

[wispy bough]

I think the update cemented salvage = low effort meh xp, port tasks = medium effort good xp, trials = high effort great xp. And that is a good thing

[buoyant lily]

Not this guy again, his takes suck

[weak lichen]

Fyi. It's been tough but I haven't logged in all day and I've probably been online everyday since my members in February

[graceful agate]

Tbh anyone who things they're just going to leave things like this forever is in a fantasy land. Sailing's release was honestly better than could've been expected, but there are still SO many small issues to fix, they're going to be iterating on it and tweaking things for months for sure.

[ionic grotto]

If you can hit the crates maybe

[obsidian venture]

I mean you can

[ionic grotto]

Which from the clips I’ve seen gl lol

[obsidian venture]

But surprisingly no one has mentioned this

Flew over everyone’s heads tbf

[celest solstice]

First I've heard for sure

[timber drift]

alright i have a compromise we should have the marlin time unlock from gwenith glide be an unnerf scroll that make salvaging like it was before thoughts

[ionic grotto]

Jagex really leaning into the “it’s Agility but on water” mindset

[obsidian venture]

So trials are better to do if you’re able to do so

[cinder reef]

Same people that complained about salvaging/extractor nerfs also complained about blowpipe nerfs btw

[wispy bough]

you know what needs to be changed. If a mob is out of range of the cannons the crew should not keep firing the cannon and deleting cannonballs

[ionic grotto]

They really just want us to do Agility again huh

[obsidian venture]

And courier tasks are lil better now

But salvaging got ganked for sure

[lethal wolf]

Makes sense to me they would continue to adjust it. Hopefully not quite this heavy handed though going forward.

[graceful agate]

1/1k for dragon cannon barrel from GG marlin XD

[umbral flint]

But why is 1 dragon barrel locked behind 3.6m exp from a low intensity method that incentivizes dropping salvage

[noble inlet]

they are not, xp buff at the end of trial is lower than the xp lost on extractor, its a few k less xp per hour

[celest solstice]

I think it's teleport meta for it now

[timber drift]

you're not gonna believe this but they want you to sail and not jerk off at sea fishing

shocking i know

[lethal wolf]

Agility first 99 baby. We love agility. But there is also something broken in my brain so there is that lol

[wispy bough]

talking about shitty drop rates is a different discussion all together and should have no impact on xp/hr convo

[ionic grotto]

If you haven’t 100% charted pipe down rat

[timber drift]

i have

and marlin time GG

show your time

⏸️

[umbral flint]

It does when they nerf xp/hr by nerfing the speed also

[graceful agate]

tbh I think they'd have been fine with salvaging if people were doing a 1-2 minute cycle, they specifically picked on how efficient 30 minute afking was

[ionic grotto]

Wow so impressive

[timber drift]

show it!

[ionic grotto]

Acting like Marlin time is difficult when WR is like what a minute faster? It’s trivial with a rosewood boat

[cinder reef]

just kiss

[celest solstice]

"Elvarg is easy with bis"

[graceful agate]

to be fair, iron droprates in sailing (already an issue in general) catching strays from XP rate nerfs is definitely part of the conversation and needs to be worked on - either through that being set back to 4t, and/or us getting another source for the d cannon

[long siren]

They are heavily connected. Because if you want a cannon barrel, you're going to be salvaging from 87 to whenever you get it, if you want 2, you're probably salvaging all the way to 99. They nerfed the gather rate of salvage and the XP for salvaging, and disincentivized cleaning salvage.

[wispy bough]

but what I am saying is that they should just buff the drop rate not the xp

[cinder reef]

if you are not doing salvaging with some sort of tick manip you are objectively playin the game wrong, btw

[wispy bough]

but I also thing the xp solution should be a nerf to crew mates and not cleaning

[umbral wind]

is it actually a nerf in raw hours required? Has anyone tested if their 4tick vs 5tick but higher success rate actually changes the salvage/hr?

[timber drift]

surely you have it then

[ionic grotto]

For what it’s worth I’ve been mostly salvaging since 87 to where I’m at now at 94 and no dragon cannon barrel yet despite 5 or 6 dolls, I’ve been told I’m close to rate to get one or maybe just a bit past

[long siren]

it is, because your crewmates are slower as well

[umbral flint]

We went from 3t to 5t and the spawns seem to be inconsistent when afking

[graceful agate]

I saw napkin maths someone posted in here earlier for it, but haven't checked it myself, so this is possible

[ionic grotto]

Bro pipe down I’m not hopping out of bed and logging in to humor you go cry about it tbh

[wispy bough]

and some people have gotten 2 barrels before 89 sailing. RNG is RNG

[cinder reef]

we know you don't have the GG flag bro

[umbral wind]

ah good point

[hoary torrent]

honestly if they made this skill long to achieve 99 from the start where even most intense methods werent astronomical leagues like xp so sweaty streamers didnt max in ~3-4 days for the hype then this whole update wouldn't have needed to happen. PS, horrible update today

[ionic grotto]

If believing that makes you feel better by all means believe away, I already said earlier I’ve done everything there is to do with sailing including all trial times and 100% charts lol

[cinder reef]

yeah my bad jack sparrow

[ionic grotto]

Ngl only good change was making Jolly Jim a 4 deckhand

[graceful agate]

We did not need bowfa rng 2.0 though, one thing I will criticise sailing as a whole for is using 2020 design conventions on droprates. An entire skill of Nightmare drops in core progression path wasn't necessarily the best idea. If we had DT2 style bad luck protection on some of these drops there'd be far less issues. Hell compared to how iron-friendly Varlamore is, Sailing feels weird

[ionic grotto]

Would’ve gone so hard if they didn’t slaughter salvaging lol

[cinder reef]

show us the time brother

[stable cedar]

They should nerf it more so people have to play

[timber drift]

how

[main kestrel]

ok i settled to 50k aswell, i was frontloaded from a full cargo that didnt give the 65xp anymore but 30 instead so that lowered it after the first 15 minutes

[sacred raft]

just me who has a max cape in here?

[timber drift]

show me urs too while ur at it

[sacred raft]

[main kestrel]

not dropping my clogs tho ill get theree

[stable cedar]

Me i got it by salvaging bro

[timber drift]

so does everyone in here just have a skill issue

[ionic grotto]

Oh I have one it’s in my bank and mounted on the cape stand in my PoH but currently I can’t interact with it so yeah gg

[muted knoll]

W update good work Jagex

[cinder reef]

brother thinks i do water agility loool good one

[timber drift]

where my real sailors at

[sacred raft]

skill issue

sorry mate

[cyan pewter]

Why do people keep screenshotting that the salvaging worlds are still full. obviously they will be, nerfing xp won't get them to stop because it's their preferred method of training. they won't start sweating trials or cargo tasks because they choose not to, it's not an xp thing.

[ionic grotto]

Quite literally

5 levels worth of a skill issue to be precise

😆

[sacred raft]

go to the gwenith trials this gives good xp

hope this helpps

[timber drift]

gagek i haf 2 click more than once a minute please NERFFFFFFF

👶

[alpine hinge]

Big-time agree. The drop rates for sailing rewards in general are honestly my biggest concern, esp with how cumbersome the combat can be.

[ionic grotto]

I’m good on that bro I got my unlocks, I’m not the type of guy who can sit down and sesh 6 hour logs on trials lol

[cinder reef]

No idc about the xp nerf but why is it better to drop the salvage when i want the barrel

[ionic grotto]

Even when I was doing trials it was like, an hour here, half an hour there, etc

Afk a bit in between

[sacred raft]

600k for 3hr of trials bro

not that deep

[cinder reef]

fire the intern that made that decision with immediate effect

[stable cedar]

Sounds like you dont enjoy the game nexer

[ionic grotto]

I enjoy aspects of it

Re-maxing is done out of necessity

Sailing was cool until today though

[muted knoll]

how do you know jack magiks mate

[cinder reef]

not wrong, but the next sentence is wrong

[sacred raft]

because redditors dont get the busted xp rates for salvaging at 1% of the intensity of the best rates in the game?

how dare they!!

[ionic grotto]

Salvaging was still significantly worse than trials though, but it was good enough to feel worth doing, you felt good doing it and that’s good game design

[graceful agate]

I'm legit fascinated by the fact that some of the droprates published today are pretty incontrivertibly incorrect - unless there's either a bug affecting them, or some kind of on-task modifier or similar which wasn't mentioned in the devblog.

[sacred raft]

do you bank iron from powering mining, or redwoods from woodcutting?

[ionic grotto]

What’s the mindset behind making something slower just for the sake of making it slower?

[next spruce]

Yes

[ionic grotto]

Genuine question

[sacred raft]

merchant salvaging at 87 was over 115k/hr on a uim

[next spruce]

Ironman needs 🙁

[lost jacinth]

nah drop it

[sacred raft]

how is that significantly worse

drop items for betterr xp

[ionic grotto]

What was efficient GG before today?

[alpine hinge]

Yah for me the biggest area of bullsh is the ray barbs. The wiki says 1/16 which I can handle but the blog says 1/100?? That is just downright diabolical

[sacred raft]

max boat gg was 230k/hr over double the rate of afk

[ionic grotto]

Ok so there’s your answer why ask me stupid questions you already know the answer to lol

So the afk method was twice as slow

Congrats thanks for proving my point

[sacred raft]

why should an afk skill be over 100k/hr

[ionic grotto]

Why shouldn’t it????

[sacred raft]

because not everything has to be easy in the game

[ionic grotto]

Nobody is saying it has to be, if we were we’d ask for Construction and Prayer xp rates

[sacred raft]

pot kettle

nobody

[umbral wind]

it was only 100k/hr interacting once per minute

Firemaking requires interaction once every 2mins 20s and it's 200+k/hr xp

the precedent is already set far higher than salvaging was prenerf

[muted knoll]

ngl nerf salvaging to 20k xp an hour and call it a day

[sacred raft]

but you do realise that jagex put sailing in the middle of literally every skill

[stable cedar]

I think 20k is too much

Should be lower

[sacred raft]

firemaking is in the top end of xp/hr

[umbral flint]

Isn’t this skill supposed to be above avg in regards to exp/hr? We are now getting 65k actively salvaging

[graceful agate]

tbh ray barbs themselves aren't a problem, there's multiple sources and if they're profitable people will farm them (I most certainly have been lmao) - it's more the fact that Jagex is publishing droprates that seem so far off we're actually seeing that's really interesting.

[ionic grotto]

Play 04 if you want horrendous rates everywhere lol

[sacred raft]

have you not read any blog posts for sailing?

[pure gorge]

yall make no distinction between afk and active salvage. you call it afk and then quote active rates.

[sacred raft]

salvage is salvage, unless you are 3ting

[umbral flint]

Enlighten me

[umbral wind]

yeah but sailing has just as much content as firemaking, which is practically nothing (especially post 87) so i think it's reasonable for it to have higher xp rates

[ionic grotto]

I’ve been hard afking salvage for the past week or so and I was at like ~55k/hr on my tracker in 5m xp gained

[sacred raft]

but its not

[muted knoll]

thats cap man

[sacred raft]

this is a cess pool discord

i love it

[ionic grotto]

Only cuz you’re here

[silk mortar]

I don't want to drop my salvage :((

[ionic grotto]

Tbh I think it’s stupid to do so cuz ur potentially throwing away a dragon cannon barrel lol

[stable cedar]

Peks you have a woof tag so I am rejecting your opinion sorry

[muted knoll]

its really good ive just discovered it today

[sacred raft]

someone sent me a picture of your silly takes

so i decided to open this discord

[muted knoll]

ive been called a basement dweller for 3 hours bc i say this is a good update

[ionic grotto]

Glad I’m important enough in your life that you wanted to meet me so badly, I’m flattered

[steady ore]

You've also recieved nuggies though so it ain't all bad

[muted knoll]

yeah dont get it twisted with tendies dude

ill get mad

[silk mortar]

It's a bad update since I only got to level 92 before nerf

[muted knoll]

u dont wanna see the alpha mad

[steady ore]

I would never dream of upsetting alpha

[sacred raft]

cmon man you cant do efficient method your meant to have 3 wifes, 16 kids and 2 dogs to look after!!

[stable cedar]

Are you the alpha of the wolf pack

[ionic grotto]

I thought I was pacing fairly good too, to be 94 already, but now I see that the people who truly lost sleep to rush 99 were the real winners here

[sacred raft]

i did lose sleep bro

i slept 8 hours each day

[muted knoll]

yeah they call me Alpha Wolf Big Spoon

[sacred raft]

god forbid playing efficiently

[muted knoll]

pm me if you’d like to join the pack

[graceful agate]

Legit is it so hard for people to acknowledge that some parts of the update were good, and some were bad lmao

...Though, for sailing, chat being salty af is kinda appropriate I guess XD

[umbral wind]

woodcutting also has better afk exp rates now than sailing for less effort
combat skills as well

out of all the skills that you actually can afk to any meaningful extent sailing is one of the slowest, and it's 'afk' is on the higher end of interactivity while still claiming to be 'afk' (unless doing double crew in which case it's also just about the slowest)

[stable cedar]

Do i need a fursuit?

[ionic grotto]

Once you ignore the trolls and rage baiters I feel like 90% of players can agree the extractor needed a nerf and port tasks needed a buff, but they did not need to fuck up salvaging the way they did and because of how badly they fucked it, it sours the update as a whole for most of us.

[timber drift]

yeah but you're actually cutting wood salvaging is not sailing checkmate liberal

[graceful agate]

yeah, I love how much it's flown under the radar that we got woodcutting at 100k/hr with a fully predictable 4 minute afk that's even noticeably profitable.

[sacred raft]

cant fuck up my afk method!!

its like the skill has been out for 2 weeks

[timber drift]

its not 100k

[umbral wind]

yeah but that's jagex's fault for creating salvaging, either delete salvaging or give it a respectable xp/rate in line with comparable skills for the effort/attention required

[timber drift]

jmods u think we can delete salvaging??

[sacred raft]

anything is 100k if you believe hard enough

@mod nin

[sacred raft]

it is

go power mine iron and bank it, then tell me your xp/hr

[silk mortar]

Since trials offers ~210k exp/h I think 90-100k for salvaging efficiently is fair tbh

[stable cedar]

Maybe 9-10k

[timber drift]

salvaging efficiently is 1.5ticking

which is like 200k

[graceful agate]

It legit is tho. I capped out at 102k from about 90 mins. Literally watching tv, it's lovely

[ionic grotto]

Salvaging was always going to be a core component of Sailing. They advertised very early on that they wanted to include afk-friendly methods while also providing more intensive methods for faster rates for those who want to do that.

[timber drift]

show xp meter

i have receipts

[sacred raft]

maybe they got good rng

[hasty shard]

our only impression of salvaging pre release was jcw getting like 15k/h 1.5ting

[timber drift]

this is with felling axe and rations btw

[graceful agate]

ironwoods, not rosewood rofl

[timber drift]

show receipts

[silk mortar]

1,5 tick is cursed and should not be something to advocate

[ancient nebula]

fix it NOW

[timber drift]

why not

more effort should be rewarded

[main kestrel]

seeing my xph trickle down when doing the least afk part of salvaging seeing it go up when iclick the hook and do nothing for 3 minutes

[surreal meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/harry-potter-uncle-vernon-richard-griffiths-justice-gif-7186717

[glass basalt]

alright, I dont find todays message adequate but very well I shall await the full one before jumping to conclusions

[next spruce]

So should 1.5 tick xp rate be better than agility barracuda trials ?

[timber drift]

they're almost as good

idk what your point is

[graceful agate]

Update tl;dr:

Not planning to majorly increase xp rates for 20-30 minute afk again
Acknowledging nerf to cleaning salvage xp is a pain point and will be addressing it
Adding xp to GG
more info tomorrow

[timber drift]

sounds good why are people complaining again

[dreamy scarab]

welp jagex is doubling down for lazy salvaging changes

"There was never any intent for extreme 20-30 minute AFK gameplay patterns to become a part of training Sailing,"

like srsly

[glass basalt]

expecting some good added things tomorow other then what was listed
cause allot more problematic things were added today

[dreamy scarab]

if they fking just tested it a little bit

[tough edge]

Get back everything like it was in sailing

[light olive]

Yes... Since introduction of Gridmaster, my ping went from 130 to 180, and NOW after this update, it's up to 210... For fucks sake

[dreamy scarab]

they would have known about that

[narrow folio]

Oh nice it looks like salvagings going to get buffed again

Thank god

[dreamy scarab]

and why is it lefted in for 2 WEEKS

if they didnt intend it

[graceful agate]

also seriously, giga appreciation for @delicate glen being in the office/working at 20:30 UK time still to give us updates, big props, regardless of how you feel about those updates

[dreamy scarab]

i just dont understand anymore

[light olive]

Love how Jagex said they were going to provide better server support but they've only just made it worse for players outside NA/EU

[glass basalt]

but in what way and how much
and they better fix the combat they broke further this update

[narrow folio]

I think theyre buffing player salvaging rates

[bronze torrent]

Sailing combat do be worse than runescape classic combat

[glass basalt]

very true, we might be rough but we do love you lads at HQ

[narrow folio]

Like increasing xp that players themselves get for each pull

[celest sage]

They should have nerfed it day 1 if it was a problem. Nerfing it now is just unfair to the rest of us players.

[steel dune]

why did they remode the vampide kraken safespot without polling or mentioning it in patch notes?????

[narrow folio]

And also probably buffing sorting xp back

[opal scroll]

Combat still needs addressed sooner than later IMO.

And port tasks need a reward OTHER THAN xp.

Salvaging is unlikely to be in a "happy place" even for active salvaging. But I hope I eat my words. Nerfing loot from salcaging AND xp was a total miss.

[narrow folio]

At least shadow got another update to use 🤣

[safe elk]

Explain more ?

[narrow folio]

I havent even bothered looking up port tasks past lv 15 sailing, thats how unfun they were

Because shadows popular to use for ship combat I think

[safe elk]

Ahhhh I see

Time to hoard shadows ✅

[brittle ore]

They were probably hoping that as the meta shifted the content they thought made up the bread and butter of the skill were used the most. Then multiple worlds were maxed with full afk salvaging. I do hope that sorting salvage feels more worth it tomorrow, but the xp for the effort was clearly a bit jank

[tulip drift]

Everyone always complaining...

[trim grotto]

I mean it was basically like Gemstone crab

With more clicks

[signal kernel]

Everyone wants to be lvl 99 before Christmas apparently lol, some of you guys are leveling up wayyy too fast. Chilll! Enjoy the ocean my friends

[dreamy scarab]

i mean if they didnt intent for salvaging to be this afk then they should have hotfixed it like a week in

[waxen nest]

sit brown nosers

[trim grotto]

Also such an easy thing for them to playtest

[brittle ore]

Salvaging is full 25m afk right? Crab is only 10m max

[trim grotto]

you are correct, it can be 25m full afk. if you are attentive and doing your own sorting/crystal extractor tho thats different

[umbral wind]

crab is better xp/hr than full afk salvaging pre nerf even if you afk for 25mins and miss 1.5 crabs

(that being said who cares if they leave 25min afk salvaging nerfed, i'd bet that the majority of players were 1-2min afking salvaging before the nerfs anyway because the extractor was too good)

[median canopy]

New update to the blog is a joke. Essentially saying the mods are "listening" but we can all go swivel on it.

Not going to revert changes, might buff high activity methods a lot of people don't like even more.

It's like a red rag to a bull, why purposely pour petrol on an active fire? Silence would have been better.

[narrow folio]

Did u read it?

[brittle ore]

Yeah I agree, and active salvaging should still be tweaked to be a fair xp/hr for the effort, but the issue definitely seems to be trying to fix the super afk xp rates

[wispy bough]

afk salvaging should be bad

[narrow folio]

The crew nerf was all that was needed

[dreamy scarab]

i mean just nerf the crew

[narrow folio]

Everything else just shits on everyone

[wispy bough]

active salvage should be okish

[dreamy scarab]

why nerf sorting

[trim grotto]

nerfing crew would have fixed the issue

[muted knoll]

let me hear your howl

[trim grotto]

but now that its also at 5t instead of 4t across the board

[muted knoll]

fursuit not required for some.

[narrow folio]

Wouldve also buffed the player salvaging in compensation

[somber marsh]

[trim grotto]

and just makes it even more shit for going for clogs and such too (which i think some people probably wont mind as much, but its definitely something to consider)

[narrow folio]

If the goal was get away from crew salvage afking

[timber drift]

great update on the blog

no changes but make sorting more worthwhile

[muted knoll]

great update W jagex

[timber drift]

sounds great

[dreamy scarab]

and it took them 2 weeks to realise that

kek

[steel dune]

dont forget removing the vampyre kraken safespot without anouncing it!

[brittle ore]

I never checked the crew rate but I had assumed before today that crew salvaged at a slower rate than the player. They could be easily half as good as the player and still have a place

[frozen lion]

make crystal extractor great again!!!

[timber drift]

yeah they have jobs unlike salvagers

[graceful agate]

crew salvage xp nerf and a harder extractor nerf (60-100xp an activation, perhaps with the channel removed) - and today would've been fine

[wispy bough]

crystal should give 0xp

[timber drift]

salvage should give 0 xp

its less effort than clicking crystal

[narrow folio]

Only if they buffed the player salvaging in return so its not a total loss

[median canopy]

Everything should give 0 xp

only way to level up is to mail in a physcial check

[silk mortar]

Tears of guthix to 99

[dreamy scarab]

ToG locked ironmen

[narrow folio]

Time to cash in the lamps boys!

[frozen lion]

waste, tears on rc to 200m

[sacred raft]

on other news has razmire shop been fixed?????

[graceful agate]

I think it should give a nominal amount (even when HEAVILY in the nerf crystal xp button into the ground camp) - on the principle that 'doing things in sailing gives xp' - but it should not be much

[timber drift]

NO

[sacred raft]

frik

[timber drift]

razmire shop STILL broken and allows irons to buy planks off GE

[wispy bough]

1xp is my final offer

[timber drift]

this is a REAL issue

[brittle ore]

If nothing else days like today remind me that I could never do community management lmao. I don't think there's a good way to announce xp nerfs even if it's good for the game long term, it's almost always going to be unpopular to the immediate players

[timber drift]

not these stupid salvagers not getting their way and having a hissy fit

[dreamy scarab]

or just dont generate a mote if you arent moving

[median canopy]

IN the incinerator

[umbral wind]

there is a good way, its what they already did

• quote goal of nerfs is 80-90k exp/hr high end
• nerf to 70k/hr
• tell everyone they listened hard and thought a lot
• buff to 80-90k/hr

trust

[graceful agate]

this would also work for sure, having the generation speed scale with the speed your ship is moving at would be really cool and create some super interesting gameplay patterns for GG / encourage use of rapids etc when traversing the world

[dreamy scarab]

so people who actively trained (trails/port task) isnt punished

[timber drift]

salvaging is DEAD

[frozen lion]

crystal extractor and salvage snhould be same as were, just buff more active activities and will be good

[dense grove]

Revert and remove 30 min afk timer. If it wasn't intended to exist, don't balance around it now.

[graceful agate]

tbh, being forced to actively use it on an exact 60s timer or you're doing the skill wrong wasn't a fun gameplay loop in the first place

hence my vote for the speed-based charge rate

[steel dune]

"We dont want people to be completely AFK for 20-30 minutes"
Reasonable. Fair even.

"We should make sorting your salvage less rewarding so that people are incentivised to drop it on the ground and be even more AFK"
Do you have a functioning brain??? That is the exact think you didn't want!!!!!

[umbral wind]

I missed the part in the sailing tutorial quests that said "by the way, when you get the crystal extractor, if you don't click it every 60 seconds you are doing the skill wrong"

It was literally just an optional 1m gold sink 'click me for bonus xp in your 2nd monitor cookie clicker game' button. couldn't care less what they do with it but being actively against it or feeling like it's a 'bad' makes no sense to me. When I got tired of clicking it I just stopped clicking it lmao

[bold portal]

You participate in a society, I’m very smart. Stfu lol

[graceful agate]

to be fair, they've said they're addressing it

[narrow folio]

I dont think theyre nerfing extractor any further from what I read, which is a relief

[timber drift]

login lil bro

play the game

pot a port task

take a deep breath

smell the salty air from the sea instead of yourself

[long blade]

Not surprised, they fuck it up every time they touch the hit boxes