game-update

[meager flame]

i mean like you're literally done with moons so you couldn't care less about sailing

[sacred skiff]

I’m aure there’ll be something in like the year following sailing

[mild saddle]

do you want endgame content to be sailing locked on day 1?

[meager flame]

yeah of course

[obsidian venture]

hmm

[mild saddle]

sounds awful idk

[meager flame]

nah theres a reason to go do the skill for people that have things in the game already

as it is im just gonna be putting up levels to see number go up

and thats pretty much it

[obsidian venture]

Rather them not release endgame content day 1 as there will be so much to fix

[meager flame]

also theres a huge difference between higher level content and end game

[obsidian venture]

It wouldn’t get the proper attention

[meager flame]

im not saying release the inferno 3 and lock it behind sailing

im just saying there should be something anyone would remotely care about if they aren't a low end gamer

[mild saddle]

rosewood BP i do think the spec is relevant

[minor whale]

I don't think there should be endgame sailing stuff on day 1, but eventually yes.

[meager flame]

gonna be a pretty boring ride to 99 knowing that im kinda just doing it for the love of the total level going up

[restive sapphire]

Yes

One man's arbitrary restriction is my motivation

[minor whale]

Having content that'd be locked to a high sailing level on day 1 would be hella unhealthy

[mild saddle]

i love number go up idk seems fine

[meager flame]

thats fine

jagex doesn't need to protect me from me

they need to make good content

[obsidian venture]

What does it do

[mild saddle]

shoots 2 addy darts in 2t with a little extra dmg boost

so 1t darts for 25% spec

[small anvil]

That's uh kinda good? How does it compare to dknives

[mild saddle]

worse

it's an alternative for irons / broke mains, maybe

[restive sapphire]

The thing im most excited for now i guess is better karambwans/manta rays

[mild saddle]

i did napkin math only and it was competitive at tob on 0 def maiden / xarp with everything but dclaws which clear ofc

[small anvil]

Like it's better dps than toxic BP spec at least

[mild saddle]

on 0 def or guaranteed hit (doom car) i think it might be solid

[subtle merlin]

i like the aquanite hopper, just dont know if the 1 tranged str will make it viable...

[obsidian venture]

What

[subtle merlin]

10% chance for a 65% second hit with cbows sounds awesome, just dont like the randomeness of it compared to say a odium ward.

[obsidian venture]

It’d slot below that

Decent for piss poor mains or irons pre bowfa

[subtle merlin]

its roughly a 6.5% dps increase not taking any max hits into account

if my napkin math is right...

( .1 x .65 )

[small anvil]

It's reduced by that

It's 3.3% extra

[subtle merlin]

still not looking forwatd to sailing, but might as well look into it...

[tawny tide]

Make sailing buyable so mains can fast track to endgame content

[minor whale]

It's 10% chance for 33% max hit, but also 66% less chance of a bolt proc per extra hit too, so against anything where bolt procs are a significant amount of your dps it'll be a lower dps boost than 3.3%

[small anvil]

They thought it was 67% dmg not 67% reduced

Not a hard thing to miss read

What percent of damage is from Ruby vs bolts usually

Hmm at first I was thinking that the new ranged offhand is guaranteed more DMG on a zcb spec but the accuracy matters for zcb spec so buckler could end up being brought anyway

On things like nex

[minor whale]

It might be bis for speccing with zcb

If the bolt doubling chance can apply to spec

[ember token]

i think it said it cant shoot 2 bolt procs at once?

[tawny tide]

Can't double spec

[small anvil]

It will add guaranteed DMG

Well a chance at it

While buckler str bonus gets wasted

Cuz it doesn't factor into a guaranteed proc

So it's 10% at extra DMG

Vs buckler only adding accuracy

For the comparison

[minor whale]

Not 2 bolt procs, no
But if the first bolt misses and 2nd hits, it gives a bolt proc with spec

[small anvil]

If it did that that would be nuts lol

[minor whale]

It's a 10% chance to get a 33% chance to get a bolt proc if the first missed

[small anvil]

I'm not even thinking about that possibility

[minor whale]

It'd still only happen 3.3% of specs

[small anvil]

Oh thought you were saying if first shot misses second could inherit the guaranteed proc

[minor whale]

Yeah that's what I'm saying

If first misses, the effect happening "on spec" might mean the 2nd bolt inherits the guaranteed proc if it hits

It's only 10% x 33% accuracy for that to even happen, so it's not broken

[small anvil]

But either way. If you are only zcb speccing it's likely just straight better

[minor whale]

But it might push the hopper into being bis for speccing

Ye

[small anvil]

Decent chance it will guarantee proc at 10% if you miss first shot

But who knows how it'll be spaghettid

[subtle merlin]

with those stats to get, and only 33% (or .33% dps) is just not worth. it will be something i collect but those stats for 86 slayer and 73 sailing... i would rather have the % flipped so its the 67 not the 33...

[frail marten]

i really don't like how aquanite only adds 3.33% dps at max (assuming 100% accuracy)

i'd rather they totally cut out the chance of bolt effect procs on the secondary bolts and increase the dps

if my read is right, they probably have it that low because it offers an extra ruby bolt trigger chance -- but then it neuters it for every single other use that's not ruby bolts

[tawny tide]

Shcb will be nice

[narrow folio]

Very happy you wont lose anything from dismantling max cape variants

The issue with increasing dps even more is it competes with buckler which is mostly just a crossbow offhand

[bright hawk]

It's more than likely just going to be an off-hand swap in pvp for the rare chance of hitting twice with a bolt

Or for a little boost while being afk at gemstone crab

[austere mulch]

Tbh I wouldn’t think so. I’d imagine it’s just a separate hit entirely

Eg. The spec would be the first bit and the second would be a standard auto

Would be kinda jank otherwise

[small anvil]

Yeah it's either normal second hit or it'll spaghetti

[austere mulch]

But it at least helps by a relatively non significant amount for the people who enjoy natty ruby resetting into zcb spec speedrun content

[small anvil]

I'd lean normal

But i would think guaranteed on the 10% more likely than guaranteed cut by 2/3

[plush gull]

pls dont port more stuff from rs3. nex and araxxor was already too much. also it seems like strykworms are polled to be added as a new, non-unlockable task to major slayer masters, even though they already count as wyrms. which will make current tasks rarer to get

[small anvil]

To get 3.3% which was what pyro was thinking

[frail marten]

wait a second, why do aquanites need lv86 slayer when the aquanite hopper is so... underwhelming

[austere mulch]

Yeah agreed

[small anvil]

Do you know what % of DMG is from Ruby procs vs bolt DMG

Vs like nex

[austere mulch]

Big for grotesque guardians wr attempts 🤣

[small anvil]

I wonder if the offhand becomes better than buckler at times

In some specific cases

[austere mulch]

Not off hand no, but would be easy enough to figure out. Just look at non enchanted bolts vs enchanted dps and the diff is ruby

[small anvil]

Yeah, I don't have time to play in a calc rn

[dry walrus]

Can a JMOD comment on whether or not the teleports will still work even if you can’t equip it?

[small anvil]

Just curious

I'd need to break out excel to think this through lol

[austere mulch]

Well that won’t be entirely accurate ig, but would be close enough that the error wouldn’t matter

[small anvil]

Mental math estimations

Can only get so far

[tacit wharf]

can u use your quest cape tele when u dont have all quests done?

[dry walrus]

Idk haven’t tried that

[tacit wharf]

no

[small anvil]

(you can't)

[ember token]

blog says lava strykewyrms are under wyrm tasks

the only new unavoidable task here at Duradel is frost dragons

which have a weight of 4, so quite low

[plush gull]

they count as wyrms but it says theyre also their own task

[ember token]

no it doesn't

this poll question seems wrong though

[plush gull]

yes it does

[tacit wharf]

think the confusion is they have a weighting section as well

[plush gull]

its same as araxxor counting for spider tasks

[ember token]

hmm true

[tacit wharf]

so while they count as wyrm tasks, they'll also have a low weighted task specific

[plush gull]

idk why ur so confused, it literally just has 1 sentence they count as wyrms and then a whole section listing the proposed new task with different quantities from wyrms

[tacit wharf]

ya these 2 points are sending mixed msgs

[ember token]

the confusion is that Jagex has added a bunch of conflicting info

[small anvil]

Is this the info for existing wrym tasks

[plush gull]

they havent added conflicting info imo but im fine if they add conflicting info, just not new rs3 mobs

[restive siren]

It being inspired by rs3 has no per se negative

[small anvil]

Wyrms will stay blocked

[ember token]

infographic says wyrm task and shows wyrm task details along with the new extension, the infobox below suggests they might also be their own task but also the extension only mentions regular wyrms, and then the proposed poll question says lava strykewyrms are an unlockable task when there's no slayer point unlock for them mentioned in the infobox

but anyways, i'm not sure what the issue is with these being rs2 mobs

[restive siren]

Hint: nothing

[ember token]

it sounds like they're going to have their own mechanics and they're certainly going to have their own loot tables

[tacit wharf]

opens up for ice and earth as future monsters as well

[ember token]

so they're really just using existing designs instead of creating new creatures here and that's about it

it's a little nostalgia baiting but mainly just saves time to use creatures that already exist in the runescape universe rather than coming up with something new

[plush gull]

if ppl like strykeworms so much should we repoll wrathmaw too?

[ember token]

lol

[restive siren]

Whataboutism detected

[mild saddle]

re-purposing wrathmaw to a boss that makes sense would be fine

[tacit wharf]

wrathmaw itself wasnt a problem

[mild saddle]

so these new wyrms and frost dragons are only dropping prayer xp and dragon sheets? do i care about dragon sheets? feels light for a new slayer mon

[plush gull]

https://runescape.wiki/w/Wildywyrm

[tawny tide]

Why weigh anything 5 or 4 smh

[tacit wharf]

just the notable drops

[restive siren]

wanna form an actual argument whats bad about them taking inspiration from rs2/rs3 or are you just gonna say completely unrelated things

[tacit wharf]

messes less with peoples blocklists and doesnt impact slayer lists as a whole

[tawny tide]

I hate the weight system anyway

[plush gull]

i mean it still makes u use extra time and pts to get the tasks u want

[tawny tide]

This is why it makes sense to make tasks more vague

[tacit wharf]

i hate turael skipping is a thing but here we are

[ember token]

theyre certainly going to drop other things, they're just mentioning new stuff because it's relevant, and yeah you will need dragon sheets for late game sailing ship upgrades

[tawny tide]

And kill off turael ||I know I know||

[mild saddle]

lol both replies saying they're going to drop other stuff

only thing they drop that matters is dragon sheets, ok

do we know how relevant dragon sheets are?

[tawny tide]

Bones don't matter

?

[mild saddle]

nah

prayer is free

[tawny tide]

Holy shit this is game update not iron that always happens to me

[mild saddle]

not worth a whole new slayer mon

[tacit wharf]

sheets make the knell

[tawny tide]

Yeah nvm I don't care what this chat things about most things 😎

[tacit wharf]

unsure if we have to repair that or not

[mild saddle]

so could be consumable

[tacit wharf]

possibly

forgot how many sheets are needed to make it

[mild saddle]

ok, i guess we'll see how relevant it is. seems like a lackluster table for (2) new slayer monsters to have the same key drops

[steep tangle]

Maybe lava scales from lava wyrms

[mild saddle]

yeah prayer not free for mains, it's a gimme for irons

[tacit wharf]

main just buys bones

its free

[mild saddle]

eh gp tough to justify spending when it could be a gear upgrade instead

much easier to fit prayer in on an iron imo, you just get it passively playing the game

[mild saddle]

lava scales a little pinched if you don't afk eels at all but you need so little of it atm

[tacit wharf]

or go cheap route and buy ensouled heads

[mild saddle]

🙏 gearing up for new draconic endgame boss

[median wing]

isn't the aquanite tendon kind of op for pvp

like u think ur just killing a pvmer but then u take 90 damage

[frail marten]

I'm hoping they'll think about having a way to smelt down some dragon items into sheets, like the ds2 forge

[mild saddle]

it's just a little messy to balance, not that they couldn't pull it off but it's got a ton of knobs

because you can buy dragon items with gp, it makes it tricky if those should be able to be smelted down, if you can, won't a dragon dagger or dscim floor those prices?

[median wing]

i cant wait to see clips of a bolt ragger getting a pker

[ember token]

literally just said they'll be needed for lategame sailing ship upgrades, so they're going to be relevant as long as those upgrades are relevant, and it's reasonable to assume that they're going to make the best upgrades relevant

[median wing]

i hope we get a 99 rc lvl version of the wind catcher

[meager flame]

im just hoping they reveal pretty much anything to make leveling sailing more than getting my max cape back

[median wing]

ull need 93 sailing to forge one of the rewards from raids 4

the anvil will be in a secret island

[hard axle]

I want to say it probably will because of how CA hilts work.

A lot of people don't know, but you can still use the teleports of the GM hilt even if you've fallen off; it'll just operate like a Master hilt with 3 Mor Ul Rek teleports instead of infinite.

Cuz it's not like you lost 99 con or 99 crafting.

[meager flame]

tbh thats more likely an oversight with the hilts

[hard axle]

they did say specifically equip

[meager flame]

even if its not they'd probably swerve to fix that with the max cape since almost everything you care about doing with it doesn't involve you wearing it in the first place

[hard axle]

only swerving that should be done is on the water - give me mario kart drifting mechanics

[hasty shard]

im betting on the cape working if you mount it in poh

[dry walrus]

Yeah I was manly asking because the language they used specifically mentioned equipping

[sacred skiff]

Can you use a max cape mounted in someone else’s POH if you are not maxed?

[hard axle]

[hard axle]

i can actually test this sec

lemme finish up this rock and go try it out LOL

[hard axle]

https://i.imgur.com/G81aeiR.png

[median wing]

that is sad

[sacred skiff]

So I’d guess that’s what’ll happen if you mount a max cape and then aren’t maxed

[median wing]

are u guys maxed

[hard axle]

the restriction isn't based on level though

it's based on owner

[sacred skiff]

For now!

[dry walrus]

I am maxed

[chrome lantern]

My feedback on blog, just got here:
-Horn should give invisible +4 without charges, like the Celestial ring currently does
-Stop making every new weapon 5t
-Ranged offhand should have 3 ranged str considering the slayer req sitting alongside whip and trident
-Stop copying enemies, terms, and names from RS3 (Aquanites and Strykewyrms)
-We don’t need even more types of bones, just make them have a chance to drop something additional like noted bones if they want to balance prayer xp yield per kill
-Frost Dragons should be an optional unlock rather than simply added to the task list, or lumped into another type of Dragon task
-Pet shouldn’t come from all general Sailing activities but should have a specific source, since Sailing isn’t a gathering skill. Activities like deep sea fishing should roll for Heron, not Sailing pet, etc.

I did fill out the survey with this feedback as well

[bold badge]

Aquanites are based though

[ember token]

there's backported content you have valid reasons for not liking but in this case, it seems like the mechanics and the loot are different, so basically they're just re-using the designs, which I don't see how that would be an issue? also seems like you might have not noticed that frost dragons are also from rs3 (technically all 3 are from the rs2 era of the game, to be pedantic)

[meager flame]

well for frost dragons

they actually didn't reuse anything

they just took the name

[round lintel]

in RS3 Frost dragons are only valuable for its bones

and they are fast to kill

[meager flame]

if they were using rs2 frost dragons

[round lintel]

in osrs these bones arent even the best so idk

[meager flame]

they would randomly put up a full damage reflect mechanic to idiot check you for trying to afk billions of gp

[chrome lantern]

We definitely don’t need multiple new bone types

[round lintel]

why not, brings variaty

[meager flame]

in this case though they seem to be giving you better than lava dragon bones to create what i can only assume will be a bot hotspot

[round lintel]

For example hydra bones are stupidly hard to camp

[meager flame]

and some dragon metal sheets or whatever they called it

[round lintel]

killing a regular hydra is almost as the same time as killing the boss

but the boss needs a task

[ember token]

tbh there's already so many different bone types and variants of those bone types that i really don't care if they add more

[meager flame]

i do look at that addition as more of a why because of that

like they wanted to make frost dragons but didnt actually do anything interesting whatsoever with them or with their drops so its kind of

idk

fillery

[stuck mauve]

then we will offer yours

[meager flame]

they are in the game actually

[stuck mauve]

yeah

[meager flame]

its fine though really if they do add the frost dragons its not like its actually terrible its just sort of irrelevant almost

im mostly just sad that so far sailing looks like there won't actually be a reason for me to do it lol other than getting a max cape back

[tacit wharf]

wonder if the better play would just be to chance lava dragon bones to greater dragon bones and have frost dragons bones be the same

[sacred skiff]

For now!

Surely I’ll have more people at my second maxing party

[winged mantle]

Some extra ideas for the sailing pet

Give the turtle an ecosystem on it's back like the lion turtle from avatar the last air bender.

Give the seagull an eye patch and peg leg

Give the red bird a tiny sword to hold in its beak 👀

[meager flame]

im ngl i would probably vote for a or d but

we all know its going to be the crab

[tacit wharf]

d to much like the hunte rumor pet

[winged mantle]

I'm voting for E tbh

[tacit wharf]

e is to busy

[ember token]

I'm voting for A but i'm happy with B or C, guessing C will win

[restive siren]

Crab crab crab gang

[hard axle]

I’m taking A

[meager flame]

yeah its basically guaranteed they picked some cool options and also included the classic osrs crab meme as an option

crab meme will sweep

[hard axle]

if you want a crab pet, put it on crab boss

which we have one

[tacit wharf]

crab boss doesnt deserve one

[small anvil]

I'm voting turtle

[hard axle]

I’ve changed my mind on this if it means we sacrifice the likes of moxi

For crabber

[small anvil]

Crabs don't even swim

[meager flame]

they should put a pirate hat on the parrot

[chrome lantern]

Moxi shouldn’t even exist, it was never polled

Just a, “Here’s Varlamore p2, btw we added a secret bonus pet”

[restive siren]

A lot of crabs can

Looks funny as fuck

[sacred skiff]

What? They live in the water lol

They def can swim, just usually walk

[tacit wharf]

isnt it more of they ride the currents up

[restive siren]

Some can swim some cant

[hard axle]

Depends what you mean by swim ngl

[small anvil]

Flying in water

[restive siren]

Propel themselves in the water

[hard axle]

Is me walking through shallow water swimming ?

or is it just walking

[tacit wharf]

also just imagining the pirate crab climbing up yr salvaging hook to hop into yr boat

[restive siren]

Thats walking

[hard axle]

Yeah same for crabs

Then

[small anvil]

Flying: air:: swimming: water

[round lintel]

i would have preferred a shark pet

[tacit wharf]

shark no go land

[round lintel]

temporos neither

and it exists

[winged mantle]

Shark pet thay swims in the air

[hard axle]

https://tenor.com/view/jeff-the-land-shark-marvel-rivals-spin-coogs-gif-12251153437558932285

[tacit wharf]

dont encourage the sharknado peoples

[hard axle]

https://tenor.com/view/jeff-the-land-shark-disco-dance-gif-3429417438711014089

May I introduce Jeff

[winged mantle]

Sold!

[hard axle]

I think we need a shark boss

[tacit wharf]

we will be able to soon

cuz

sailing

do we adding whaling as part of sailing

add a big old harpooner to the front of yr ship

[round lintel]

whats your guys prediction on release date of sailing?

[winged mantle]

Feb 2026

[tacit wharf]

2nd or 3rd week of nov

[winged mantle]

Just in time for leagues

[stuck mauve]

2026 would be ideal

or winter 2017

[ionic tartan]

I saw some guesses for Sailing release on Nov 19 or 26, which is after Gridmaster and RS3 leagues but still in the fall.

[tacit wharf]

since dec is jagex vacation time, and next earliest would be january release

dmm would be feb/march then

[ember token]

and Ash has said DMM is looking to be after christmas

[tacit wharf]

january would also be "winter" as well

[restive sapphire]

will deadman tourney be oct then i feel like sailing will come after it

[tacit wharf]

my expectation is they announce it either the week before or during london comic con (have a panel there where they're talking) for mid nov release

[round lintel]

i dont think dmm will stay at the same time as grid

[tacit wharf]

dmm is winter, sailing is fall

on the roadmap

u also have bingo in oct, so that wouldnt make sense

[restive sapphire]

if dmm is coming january and dec is the sleeper month they're prob gonna winter summit like a week before dmm starts then

[tacit wharf]

winter summit has historically been end of feb/start of march, if they do one

[restive sapphire]

winter summit 2024: january 20
winter summit 2022 (actually for 2023): dec 22

[tacit wharf]

guess thats true

[restive sapphire]

if there's a runefest in 2026 it has to be in summer earliest or else it'll overlap with winter summit for announcements

[tacit wharf]

if they did a runefest theyd only have 1 roadmap that year

unless they did the US meet up for the 1st/2nd half of it

like i said, feel sailing nov, jagex break/vacation dec, nothing jan (bug fixes/qol), dmm feb, summit end of feb/early march for blood moon rises quest announcement/next 6 months info

[stuck mauve]

whats the blood moon quest about

raids 4?

[tacit wharf]

end of the vamp questline

[restive siren]

Vampire finale

[bold badge]

Final Vamp quest

[stuck mauve]

ah

vamps

[earnest marsh]

naah, sailing delayed to 2026 99,99% sure

[stuck mauve]

source?

[ember token]

Many of you have also been asking whether we're still aiming for a late Autumn release. We are happy to confirm that development is on track and we'll be announcing the release date soon.

Although we can't confirm the exact date yet, we have plans to very soon!

[restive siren]

But hes 99.99% sure data

Cant argue with that

[stuck mauve]

very soon

so November?

[ember token]

main reward is unlocking access to Vampyrium which is an area about the size of the stranglewood that will have various pieces of content in it

[ember token]

most likely

[stuck mauve]

i see

[tacit wharf]

from todays sailing blog

if u didnt see

[analog crow]

Finally a use for the [[Barrel of coal tar]]

[ornate wolf]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Barrel_of_coal_tar

[earnest marsh]

tomorow, im 99,991% sure

[meager flame]

its probably dmm december

they tend to leave us with some random temporary mode over the holidays

i honestly don't really think the pacing of updates is very good for the end of this year though

[ember token]

if its december then its very very end of december

[meager flame]

they usually turn stuff on at the end of november to very early december and let it ride while they're not there

they're gonna release this thing when nobody is going to be super interested anyways

sailing is before and everything people would be hyped for like runefest/summit announcements and the vampire stuff is after

tbh i probably wouldn't even run a dmm if i were them but i guess they already committed

[kindred ivy]

Will the Horn of Plenty affect rumours at all?

[pure lava]

Will the sailing update add new fletching stuff?

[tacit wharf]

what do u mean by stuff? the blowpipes?

[pure lava]

Wait they are adding blowpipes?

And yes

Stuff like coral bolts or some thints like thst

[tacit wharf]

then yes the blowpipe passed the poll

and no

already have enough bolt bases

[pure lava]

That is true…

I gotchu thank you for answering

[ember token]

check out the past blogs for details

[ashen flame]

Ace i just realized your pfp is pepe Galleon

[plush gull]

ok why does literally everyone keep telling me that this wont be its own task

it literally lists a weight of 5 at chaeldar, increasing wyrm weight at chaeldar from 6 to 11 just after she beame good

[ionic tartan]

I'm confused there too. Strykewyrms are being polled as "unlockable", so either:

1. Jagex forgot to list the unlock perk (like how there is one for Aquanites)
2. Jagex messed up the wording: Should we add Lava strykewyrms and a superior variant as a new, unlockable Slayer task?

[restive sapphire]

i find this wording confusing because "strikewyrms and other wyrms" but aren't wyrms also wyrms shouldn't they just be part of a wyrm task rather than its on weight

ig they weren't thinking of porting strikewyrms when they designed wyrms

[drifting ginkgo]

<@&385422009930219520> i think this guy is tryna lure people

[oblique mesa]

he hit the max stack of pixels on his gif

[dire mango]

Can you zoom in a little more and blur it even just a smidge? I think i saw too much.

[nocturne solstice]

@last onyx If you think there's a bug in game then go report it in-game. You can do so by right clicking the red abuse button and selecting report game bug. Do not spam into chat how to exploit bugs or encouraging people to go get pk'd in over max cash.

[last onyx]

I did

[last onyx]

How lol

[nocturne solstice]

Then thats all you need to do. You dont gotta spam into the different channels advertising it.

[last onyx]

I thought people would be concerned, my bad

Nobody saw it in general

So I posted it in a more appropriate channel

[nocturne solstice]

There is no appropriate channel, you reported it in game and thats a job well done already. If you wanted to go the extra mile you could send more information to [e-mail]

[last onyx]

I mean its a literal game breaking dupe and nobody cares

[nocturne solstice]

The people that need to know are the devs and I told you the appropriate communication channels. Promoting how to do it is not okay.

[last onyx]

I dont know how to do it as I said in the message

[nocturne solstice]

Sure felt like you did, telling people to go with over max cash stack into the wildy to get pk'd

Again though, you already reported it in game its fine.

[last onyx]

I never said that😂

[nocturne solstice]

Thats all you gotta do

[last onyx]

Surely it would be more urgent, its a dupe

Could ruin the game

[nocturne solstice]

Again, spamming it into chat doesnt help anyone

The people in chat cant do anything about it

[last onyx]

We need a community uproar

[nocturne solstice]

The devs can, and I told you what the correct channels are to get that info to them

Yeah no

[worn wedge]

When is the support roadmap (2nd appeal) blog post coming out? I saw Mod Kelvin say it would be this week

[dawn jackal]

aww man 3/4 of the new slayer mosters are just from rs3. lower level slayer boss is kinda neat i guess

[analog crow]

Frost dragon is gonna be epic pray xp for irons I can feel it

I just hope we can get an extend task unlock for them

[random crow]

Frost Dragons made me rich on rs2 it's a little bit of nostalgia

[dawn jackal]

not sure anyone ever fought an aquanite or a strykewyrm and thought it was particularly engaging

[analog crow]

Weren't they seed farms back in rs2/3?

[random crow]

I never did strykeworms back in the day

[analog crow]

Could be nice source of seeds for irons

[random crow]

So you don't use seeds in rs3 now?

[analog crow]

What?

I don’t play rs3

But from what I hear there are no grimy herb drops at all so yeah seeds are super important

[ionic hawk]

Has anyone done any dps checks for the new ranged off hand? I'm a bit underwhelmed but I am not sure how to get an accurate picture of it.

[earnest marsh]

Believe it's like 6,6% more dps

Vs without shield

[ionic tartan]

It's 10% chance proc, 33% damage and accuracy, so less than 3% dps increase.

[earnest marsh]

It's 66% damage no?

[ionic tartan]

Also, ruby proc rate effectively goes from 6.6%->~6.8%

[earnest marsh]

Or did I read wrong

[minor whale]

66% less

[ionic tartan]

67% reduced or 33% remaining

[earnest marsh]

Ahh

Thanks

[minor whale]

And that's only with assuming same accuracy as the first hit, too

[ionic tartan]

Yeah, the hand stapler is really nothing noticeable (except maybe for the <0.2% extra ruby bolt proc when fishing for a natty).

[minor whale]

It's also 66% less accurate and 66% less activation chance

[earnest marsh]

It's nice but eeh

[minor whale]

It'll be extremely bad

The best part of it is that it's +12 accuracy and +1 ranged strength

[earnest marsh]

Prorboly will be bis shield

[ionic tartan]

Nowhere near BIS, not even for crossbows.

[earnest marsh]

The Cox shield is only 5% stenght and 20 accury right

And it only gives some few accury chance on ruby bolt proc

[minor whale]

It will absolutely not be bis shield

[earnest marsh]

Any shield that gives more then 3% dps?

[minor whale]

It's only 3.3% dps increase assuming it had 100% identical accuracy and bolt proc chance

It's also 1/3rd for both of those too lmao

I'll calc rq what the actual dps boost will be against something like Leviathan

[ionic tartan]

It's definitely going to help fishing for natty ruby procs. But that's a very edge case, and only going from 6.6% to 6.75% or so.

[earnest marsh]

ehh, i mean, crossbow without ruby bolts is thrash, so nothing going to change it

[analog crow]

It's 33% accuracy and damage, so that's a (0.33)^2 ~ 0.1 or 10% additional dps when it procs. If it procs 10% of the time it's a 1% dps increase isn't it?

Either way it seems pretty garbage

[small anvil]

The DMG isn't reduced on bolt procs presumably

[analog crow]

I see

[small anvil]

So it's 33% less DMG no proc, 33% chance to proc (of the 10%)

Will math out to approx 3.3% DMG increase

Slightly lower cuz can't double proc but slightly higher cuz the bolt proc eats fewer reg hits

[analog crow]

I see

Pretty confusing, I didn't get any of that from the blog

[small anvil]

That's just how I interpret the reduced proc chance

And reduced DMG

If they make procs reduced DMG too it would be sad and silly to have lower chance

[ionic tartan]

It's not worth losing 2 max hits (vs buckler) just for an additional 0.15% chance of ruby proc. That's why it's only for natty ruby fishing speedruns.

[mild saddle]

it's a very odd item

[small anvil]

There's also cases where you will only be zcb speccing, the offhand adds damage sometimes while extra ranged str won't add anything

[mild saddle]

if they're going to pitch something like that, feels like the kind of thing that should come with dps calcs / explanation of how it all goes together

[ionic tartan]

Not sure how it'll work with zcb specs, but I read it as an extra attack that is independent of any specs

[small anvil]

Yeah so if you zcb spec for Ruby you'd want this over buckler

(unless a diff in ranged accuracy is large enough to make zcb spec less reliable more than the bonus DMG of the extra hit sometimes)

Bc your base hit doesn't matter for Ruby proc

[mild saddle]

oh this is the final sailing content poll? just a little weak but ah well

will be a number go up release and it'll be fun

[tacit wharf]

they arent going to be polling individual smaller monsters that are added

[median wing]

but what if some hcim die

[tacit wharf]

"filler" content

[median wing]

because of unexpected interactions with boats

[tacit wharf]

a them problem

[plucky roost]

So this aquanite hopper is definitely needed to give crossbows more power capabilities. But to prevent it from competing with shields, here’s one way it could be implemented:

What if the hopper was an attachment that can be used on any pair of vambraces, such as zaryte vambraces or black d hide vambraces? And it would turn zaryte vambraces into zaryte vambraces (h) or something.

[median wing]

that would buff the bis crossbow

[sacred skiff]

I thought the intention is pretty clearly to compete with shields lol

Since they want it as an alternative offhand

Honestly I say make it stronger (why nerf the bolt proc more than it already is) and find a way to have more differentiation btw twisty buckler. It is locked behind 80-something slayer after all

[plucky roost]

But who’s going to use things like the odium ward, d hide shields, dragon fire ward, etc?

That all becomes redundant. Like how defenders made most shields redundant.

The hopper could be an attachment for shields, rather than a replacement.

[sacred skiff]

They’re cheaper? Easier to get at certain progression levels/iron?

Idk who uses dhide shields to begin with unless they want something for wildy that’s like 400gp

[obsidian venture]

Idts. It fits before getting an t buckler and maybe an odium. Wouldn’t compete with buckler unless you’re strictly natty ruby farming

It fits a niche

Although it could be explored more. It is an initial pitch for it and they usually like to supply numbers

[sacred skiff]

As an iron who cbf to get the last odium piece from shitty Scorpia and hasn’t gotten twisted buck yet, I’ll def hunt for one lol

[obsidian venture]

Scorpia is not bad on 2k+ worlds tbh

But if no accursed it’s kinda shitty to grind

[ashen cloud]

Is there a place in this discord to report a bug?

[sacred oracle]

You can report bugs using the in-game report feature: https://support.runescape.com/hc/en-gb/articles/360001355429-Report-a-bug

[sacred skiff]

Accursed is the one rev I don’t have, but I’d feel like an absolute rube essentially giving away my ether if I get found since it’s near impossible to escape

[ashen cloud]

Thanks

[sacred oracle]

If you need to include additional information that doesn't fit in the form, you can also send an email to [e-mail]

[rare grotto]

Pls bro think before u type

Why would u add an item that just upgrades bis. The whole point is that it is an alternative item to an otherwise dull slot

[sharp cave]

why in the name of guthix are frost dragons weak to stab and not crush?

[tacit wharf]

dragons are weak to stab...

[sharp cave]

i take it that means they are weak to water or earth then?

[tacit wharf]

that will be an interesting thing to bring up

cuz ice would techniqually be weak to fire

[obsidian venture]

Think metal drags are weak to earth iirc

[small anvil]

Ice is also conceptually weak to crush

Is why people are saying this

[sharp cave]

exactly my point

[small anvil]

They are visually made of ice

Not just breathing Frost

[tacit wharf]

i guess, that is true

[small anvil]

I'm sure jagex wouldn't mind changing it

[tacit wharf]

dual weaknesses?

[small anvil]

But people are saying the same thing cuz it is kinda a natural weakness to give it

[tacit wharf]

could see it having high slash def but low crush/stab

[minor whale]

I don't think the crush thing is necessary
Nex ice prison you free with stab

Just make it stab/fire weak

Make it MEGA fire weak too

Like 200%

Just for fun

[sacred cove]

New mid game stab weapon might actually be better than z hasta on higher def monsters

[chrome lantern]

Buckler is 10 ranged str

[earnest marsh]

ah damn, hmm

[bronze kernel]

Because they are dragons that have domain over the cold? And not something made of ice?

[sharp cave]

wrong

they are litterally made of ice

[sacred skiff]

That's one cold boi

[chilly portal]

Why do i see these playing a roll in ds3

[sacred skiff]

Ohh dragon slayer

Cuz it's like a whole thing when you kill the last dragon in Dark Souls 3

[stuck mauve]

roll what

a dice?

[chrome lantern]

Like a dodge roll

Dark Souls 3 mentioned above makes it obvious

[stuck mauve]

idk what that is, sounds like rs3

[ember token]

dark souls 3 and runescape 3 both have 3 in the name

coincidence?

[quartz raven]

hey what happened to slayer partners?

i cant seem to find it

[nocturne solstice]

its in game

Heres the news blog about it https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/slayer-partners?oldschool=1

[heavy pulsar]

do slayer partnering work for ironman

Im guessing not

[tawny tide]

Have yet to try it with my gim

[chrome lantern]

It does not

[chrome lantern]

That does work

[next sky]

If this isn't the right place let me know, but I wanted to suggest that the clickbox on the stepping stone in the ape atoll agility course be re-worked. It is difficult on Runelite with the thing highlighted, and it is almost impossible on mobile.

[vivid ruin]

#1022203837265756231

[stuck mauve]

#game-update

[round lintel]

I didnt know atlatl darts cant go into the quiver

sounds whack af

[heavy ledge]

Only arrows and bolts can go in it, darts are weapon slot not ammo slot

[round lintel]

i would understand if atlalt darts wouldnt go to the ammo slot but they do so doesnt make sense

[heavy ledge]

Oh wait yeah wtf. I feel like they really shouldn’t have called it a dart then, it’s technically correct but doesn’t line up with other in-game darts

They prob should’ve just designed the atlatl like the bp, so it stores its own ammo

[nocturne solstice]

wouldnt be a bad idea 🤔

[final frigate]

Atlatls being even stronger in pvp smh

Sich a nasty weapon and having spec bar makes it so easy to use as well

[nocturne solstice]

im okay with that

[signal kestrel]

With the new Sailing pet poll coming out, I'd like to check... Does the crab walk sideways (crabwalking)?

[restive sapphire]

you know one thing im excited about after sailing comes out is that the next roadmap won't have it so there's more room for new shit

[grim river]

dw they'll add tiles that are new content in relation to sailing

"Treasure hunts", "New islands", "Ship building overhaul" and so on

[idle rapids]

yea we're gonna be getting sailing updates for the next 4 years

gg

[median wing]

u guys don't like sailing?

[grim river]

Think they should cook w/ it for another year. I'm not against it and I've yet to be impressed by what they showed

[median wing]

how are u not impressed

[grim river]

all the associated stuff is cool but that's not sailing

[median wing]

it works and doubles the map area

isn't that insane

[grim river]

you can double map area w/o it

[median wing]

did u play the beta?

[grim river]

and it works janky

[median wing]

it was awesome going to all the southern islands

[last onyx]

Sailing is the biggest skill in the game, discounting combat. That's crazy. It uses every skill we have

[grim river]

I disliked moving on an empty blue carpet watching my ship having to rotate half the time spent playing

[median wing]

did you enjoy clicking on a maple tree 200 times

[last onyx]

Some downtime is not bad at all when it's in-between fun.

As u get better ships and crew u'll have more to do during that time too

[median wing]

bro sailing is already so insanely good

[last onyx]

It def won't be worse than WC FM SMTH Fish or such where u don't do much

[grim river]

that one's afk low input, so yea
another bad comparison

[last onyx]

Ur gameplay is constantly transforming in Sailing

and u'll have low input and high input options too

[grim river]

dont have a problem with those

only the core ship controls

I wrote in the survey about it at some point
will see how they do on release

[restive sapphire]

what would be crazy is right after sailing is released next roadmap: osrs' 2nd new skill

[grim river]

yea, that would be crazy, they wouldnt

tho shamanism is not off the board

since it was so close

[median wing]

it's not afk

trees have a 1/8 chance of being chopped

oh i guess it changed with forestry

[grim river]

aye it did

except for lvl 1 trees

[median wing]

yeah I guess that makes it much easier

[stuck mauve]

yeah

[ember token]

i don’t want to see a new skill for at least 2-3 years after Sailing

[chrome lantern]

For sure

[ember token]

and i certainly don’t want shamanism added

[chrome lantern]

Not to mention it would take that long for them to make it anyway

I think the approach they took was kinda flawed in the first place because once there's a vote "Do you want a new skill" you're stuck with a new skill even if the options suck

I personally voted "None of these three" for the skills presented

[ember token]

they can give us a rework or big update to an existing skill before thinking about a 2nd new skill

[restive sapphire]

tbf they did ask what kind of skill the community wanted
and "utility skill" has a ton of possibilities so just 3 won't cover all bases

[median wing]

all of the skills suck rn

[chrome lantern]

Adding a "utility skill" is useless without knowing what "utility skills" you're actually voting for

And nothing ever fails polls anyway

[median wing]

only good skill is farming and herblore

[chrome lantern]

The only skill I would say is bad really is slayer

[median wing]

none of the skills help at all

[chrome lantern]

Other skills don't come down to rng on how you actually engage with and train the skill

[median wing]

I could do everything the same with lvl 1 woodcutting smithing mining crafting and fletching

[chrome lantern]

I mean that's just wrong but ok

[median wing]

it's correct

[chrome lantern]

Ok go complete all the quests

[median wing]

I already did

[chrome lantern]

Then you have at least 70 woodcutting

And mining and smithing and crafting

[median wing]

I only complete quests when they come out

are you saying my argument is invalid because I had to do quests a long time ago?

[chrome lantern]

Tell me how you're going to do CG while having 1 woodcutting

And just because you don't do skilling on a day to day basis doesn't mean a lot or even a majority of people don't

[chrome lantern]

What exactly are you trying to prove

Even as prerequisites, skills have value

[restive sapphire]

the better question imo would've been "what does the game need that a new skill would provide that others won't" item sink

but ofc the flaw is the average voter won't know what they really want which persists no matter what question you ask

[median wing]

you can do cg without chopping trees

[restive sapphire]

but you're not going to

[chrome lantern]

Sure if you lamp to 70 woodcutting

Also you're cutting Phren bark inside CG

[median wing]

oh you were going back to the quest requirement?

I thought you meant chopping inside cg

[chrome lantern]

Everything

[median wing]

yeah bro u also needs skills to get the max cape

[chrome lantern]

So what exactly is your point again? Why are no skills useful?

[median wing]

because you don't use them

[chrome lantern]

Even if you yourself never train herblore you still rely on it

Same with fishing and cooking

What skill are you "not using"

Even if you personally aren't doing the action

[median wing]

mining smithing fishing cooking firemaking fletching crafting and runecrafting

[chrome lantern]

You never eat a fish? You never use dragon arrows or darts? You never use runes that someone has crafted and sold?

[restive sapphire]

who is "you" there are lots of skillers out there and ironmen absolutely have to do that crap every once in a while

[chrome lantern]

Even if you're not someone that does skilling, if they weren't in the game you would notice lmao

If nobody was doing cooking or RC it would affect you

If nobody was fishing or fletching it would affect you

[median wing]

my only skills over 14m are combat skills, slayer and hunter because I used to do a lot of chin hunting for fun

oh and firemaking because I'm dry at wintertodt

[chrome lantern]

So where exactly is the part of this where these skills aren't useful

[median wing]

if they were useful i would have over 20m xp in them

[restive sapphire]

ok yeah this guy's trolling

[chrome lantern]

There are plenty of people in this game that don't kill bosses, are the bosses useless?

[median wing]

i have 26m attack xp simply from using weapons that are shared style only

[chrome lantern]

Sorry guys I don't have 200 zuk kc, zuk must be useless

[median wing]

zuk is useless

[chrome lantern]

Have a nice day

[still sphinx]

LOOOOL

[earnest marsh]

sailing is useless

ahh nvm, i meant map expension

[median wing]

but sailing fills in the space between pre-existing places

it's going to be so cool

having everyone in instances makes the world feel so empty

[meager flame]

idk if i'd really put a time on it like that

im fine with them doing a new skill whenever they're actually ready to do that but that does mean actually fleshing out sailing before then

i do think thats going to probably be a long time though

sailing right now doesn't appear to be very like

"complete" i guess obv no skill is ever really finished in osrs

but if we got all of the content they've talked about so far and were really realistic with them

it should probably be capped at level 70 lol

[chrome lantern]

Doesn't one of the proposed islands require like 82 sailing lmao

From the recent blog

[meager flame]

yeah

i think theres something higher than that even

[frail bough]

but if we are "realistic"

[meager flame]

its just that nobody with skills around that general level would actually care about those islands

[frail bough]

which is very objective

[meager flame]

its like make rune platebody at 99 smithing syndrome

just not quite as bad

[median wing]

yes it's a long-forgotten frozen island

it's called grimstone

[ember token]

there's ship upgrades that go all the way into the 90s although there's so many blogs at this point that idk in which one they went into details about the exact level reqs

[earnest vigil]

is there a fc for royal titans?

[meager flame]

there was a world for that

[median wing]

it's this island right here

[meager flame]

idr what it is though

ya they have ship upgrades but no reason to upgrade the ship from what we've seen so far

well i shouldn't say no reason but like

[median wing]

it makes ur ship more sturdy

for the areas with thunderstorms

[meager flame]

not very compelling reasons to be on the ship in the first place if you aren't a relatively low level account

that'll obviously (hopefully?) change eventually but just from what we've seen so far

theres not really a lot you'd care about as a higher level player atm

[ember token]

salvaging is a big one because a better salvaging hook presumably increases success rate or rolls faster or whatever

[meager flame]

basically some fish and maybe a potion here or there

[ember token]

stuff like upgrading your hull sounds less impactful unless there's some really dangerous hazards that do a lot of damage

[chrome lantern]

It's crazy the sheer number of dead content fish they added

All of Lantern fishing is dead on arrival

Being as bad if not literally worse than existing harpoon fishing

[meager flame]

yeah thats the other terrifying part of this

[ember token]

lantern fishing gets you the squid paste and squid beaks

[median wing]

why do u say it's dead content?

[meager flame]

the fish upgrades could easily be so slow to acquire that they more or less just get hard ignored

[ember token]

i dont remember what the paste is for but the beaks are for the blowpipes

[median wing]

isn't marlin the biggest bite

[chrome lantern]

I said most of them

[median wing]

and halibut is op

we also don't know how easy it will be to get

[meager flame]

also

this skill isn't fishing you can already tell this is getting weird

they need more sailing rewards that people care about lol

[chrome lantern]

Like looking at this, everything below haddock is useless

Rainbow crab is pretty useless looking

[ember token]

that's because being used as food is just an extra use and the main use of those fish is turning them into paste

crab paste, squid paste

[chrome lantern]

Bleed tonic was originally decent but was made useless

Super hunter potion shouldn't exist

You're right though I forgot the rainbow crab paste was for arma brew

Super fishing potion also shouldn't exist

[median wing]

why not?

[chrome lantern]

Name one reason we need a +6 skilling boost

[meager flame]

actually

[median wing]

to get new 6 hour records

[meager flame]

do they have like a document somewhere where every skilling material and its use is located

[chrome lantern]

Why is this desirable

[meager flame]

not like some picture gentle tractor made for them but like

[median wing]

it's very exciting to me

[meager flame]

a spreadsheet or something

[chrome lantern]

It doesn't add any new skill or actual functionality and it just needlessly creeps skill boosting

Also

It doesn't even shift the 6hr record

Because gathering skills don't affect anything above 99

[meager flame]

i kinda do think jagex is holding back information about sailing though

[ember token]

I think they're just only showing us and polling the non-sailing rewards, which is providing a skewed perspective of what the rewards from Sailing will actually be - like outside of seeing the almost certainly having yet to be balanced loot tables for early salvaging and port tasks, we know basically nothing about what we actually get for doing those besides xp for example

[meager flame]

like they're polling stuff thats tangentially related to sailing linking to other skills

and i think theres probably just more like

[median wing]

oh i didn't know

[meager flame]

basically boat combat and rewards in there somewhere

but yeah if we just got what they've talked about so far

its looking bleak lol

[median wing]

how is it looking bleak?

you are going to be able to sail on a boat

[meager flame]

basically tons of filler content that more or less doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things

[median wing]

around the coastline

[meager flame]

and like

[ember token]

because theyve only been showing and polling non-sailing rewards that are tied to sailing

[meager flame]

just a handful of things that matter a bit

[ember token]

we haven't been getting details on boat upgrades, ocean hazards, port task rewards, salvaging rewards, sea monster rewards, anything more directly tied to or involving Sailing

[meager flame]

the only reason its a bit questionable is because we're getting close enough to release now that we should probably know very soon if we don't already

everything they're going to tell us

[ember token]

we haven't heard how deep sea trawling is actually going to play

[median wing]

I wonder if our boat is going to be able to go around the mainland all the way

[meager flame]

it can

they showed us that on stream

idk if we can actually do that ourselves since i think they're not including some of the oceans or something on launch

so idk if we can just cruise through nothing or if we'll be blocked

[ember token]

no wildy ocean or eastern ocean

[median wing]

i twasnt possible on beta and alpha

[ember token]

also no northwest ocean and only part of the sunset ocean

[meager flame]

tbh i kind of expect sailing to go through the varlamore saga

[ember token]

something like this

[meager flame]

where we're gonna be sitting here talking about sailing rewards and why do the skill etc

this time next year

[median wing]

what why

we don't do that for smithing

[meager flame]

basically they're just gonna keep working on sailing until its fleshed out enough to make sense

releasing oceans and content

[median wing]

this is what is going to be available?

[ember token]

that depends on how much they're hiding from us right now

[median wing]

what the heck

that sucks

I want to be able to go all the way around

[ember token]

idk maybe itll be accessible but there's just nothing there

so you could go all the way around

[meager flame]

did they actually talk about how those oceans work between release and when they actually make content available in them

yeah thats what im curious about

because they actually did show us on stream sailing above the wild and down the side of mory etc

its just nothing was there

[ember token]

as far as i know, there's no timeline for the rest of the oceans being added

tbh i dont think that no nw or sw corners of the map matters but it's silly to not have the eastern sea

even if it's only part of it, and the SE cursed archipelago part of it is inaccessible

we should be able to set sail from port phasmatys and mos le'harmless

i would guess the wildy ocean is waiting on pvp, the eastern ocean is waiting on the pirate questline, and the rest is either similarly waiting on something too big for sailing launch, or they just figured no one really cares and they dont have time to fill em out

the nw corner requires actually adding Tempestus as well as graphically updating the northern tundra part of Kourend

because its not designed to be looked at from the ocean up there

[restive sapphire]

i forgot about tempestus

[meager flame]

im ngl

there probably shouldn't be wilderness ship pvp

lol i know a lot of people think it sounds really cool but im pretty sure thats just like

more bullshit than the game can handle i can only imagine the stupid exceptions and weird niche issues of pvp on moving boats in the wilderness

[earnest marsh]

Ye, honestly just making that work would probably take like similar dev time like 5xtoa

[jagged marsh]

this is the playable sailing space at launch?

[ember token]

an estimation based on what they said in a blog, may not be exact

[stuck mauve]

estimate that

[ember token]

who's estimatemah

[median wing]

i dont mind, they can send as is

[ember token]

lol

[rare grotto]

send it 🗣️

[keen temple]

Not sure if this is the right page to post but with the addition of mobile visibility on players, can this also be extended to iron men and their type. With the ability to turn it off.

I know there's a plug in for this (I don't know what but if someone does please let me know)

We shouldn't need to go to the High scores to figure out if someone's an iron and what type. It's cool to see irons, ultis, hcs and to know what they are (if they turn that option on) would be valuable.
Knowing to avoid kills. Sometimes for example at kbd, maybe I'm doing a clue and go in to die, or slayer. If I'm mobile theres no way to know if I've accidentally griefed someone by punching 1 damage. And on main game I'd need to check highscores.

I'm sure there's thousands of examples but with the mobile icon addition, I'd like to see an iron emblem too

[frail bough]

what if they are an iron and on mobile, show both?
i sorta like it but the mobile icon is already sort of eye-sore-y

so maybe also allow people to "opt in" as well (idk exactly how the settings works but i assumed it was an opt in for the player to show it to everyone else, not that you could turn it off)

[heavy ledge]

Game suggestions is the place for this, and someone already suggested it so you can add any thoughts you want there and give it a thumbs up https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1413553548079136828

[meager flame]

You dont even want that

Lol

People will just right click see iron and type free world to you

And you get crashed

[tacit wharf]

same reasoning behind not having iron in yr name

[timid glacier]

How great would it be if Sailing (and hiring crew etc) was deflationary in nature and required GP to run? Could be a great way to introduce a GP sink to the game. Also what if there was the ability to go on randomized expeditions (think of Path of Exile like end game maps) where you pay for a map and go on an expidition?

[timid glacier]

Or how about actual osrs real estate options? Imagine being able to purchase and upgrae into larger themed areas that actually look nice? Al karid themed, fairy etc

[compact flicker]

I think leagues were inspired by poe too, I'm all for similar mechanics from there, they do it good

[timid glacier]

All the above would cause players to massively spend their gp (deflationary) and probably cause increaes in osrs bond purchases (since lets be honest, players are lazy).

[tawny tide]

I am here for deflationary everything.

I could definitely see people sinking GP into their POH and it's a sneaky way for Jagex to do MTX because people would buy gold.

[frail bough]

Every day you don't log in, 1% of your gp gets removed. If you don't have a cash stack, your next highest value item gets sold on ge for mid and it takes from that.

Take a minimum of 100k

[tawny tide]

Mains would just start deathpiling lol

[frail bough]

Deathpiling is just a different style bank, just remove it from the save state

[narrow folio]

Terrible idea 😭

[hard axle]

https://tenor.com/view/what-is-bro-yammering-about-what-is-bro-wafflin-about-what-is-bro-yapping-about-yapping-what-is-bro-yappin-about-gif-12728898718751592705

[frail bough]

Osrs makes an announcement saying any coins in bank get deleted at the first of every year UK time. If you forgot to convert to an item, woops

Anyone who complains about it gets their bank wiped immediately

Also only affects mains

[hard axle]

https://tenor.com/view/vivibella-paper-mario-mario-super-mario-paper-mario-the-thousand-year-door-gif-1375744050214364027

[nocturne solstice]

What an odd thing to say

[ember token]

https://www.youtube.com/live/K1DM9K7cYR8?si=aF35lR1QjzGtsw46&t=1583 "strykewyrm tasks are not going to be a thing that exists" - mod husky

"you'll need to kill them with your existing wyrm tasks"

[chrome lantern]

Still sad they’re not making frost dragons optional unlocks

Muh task weights

[winged mantle]

More reason to have dragons perma blocked?

Or are they seperate

[sacred skiff]

Like by never doing DS1?

[chrome lantern]

They’re a separate task

[winged mantle]

Ew

[sacred skiff]

They wouldn’t be metal drags

[chrome lantern]

4 weight

[winged mantle]

What the

Gagec why

[chrome lantern]

Explicitly not included with other dragon tasks per the Q&A

[ember token]

very low weight so very minimal effect on optimal slayer

[winged mantle]

second the ma task weights

[chrome lantern]

Explanation was basically just “lava dragons aren’t grouped with black dragons either”

[sacred skiff]

They aren’t black dragons though

They’re red

[chrome lantern]

And what do they drop

[sacred skiff]

Idk I’ve killed like 3

[ember token]

lava dragon bones, black dragonhide

[chrome lantern]

Black dragon

Black dragon

P.S. the old version looked better

[sacred skiff]

ig they’re black now though

[ember token]

ultimately they're neither, and the whole "red dragons were transformed due to being surrounded by lava thing" is more just a throw-away line in a blog post

[winged mantle]

Sounds like a conspiracy

[ember token]

they dont count for black or red dragon tasks

[ember token]

the original question was why don't frost dragons count as blue dragons iirc and they were like "they're suddenly blue dragons just because the color of ice is blue"

[winged mantle]

Can't they be under an "elemental monster" typing?

Anything with frost, fire, lightnight, earth etc

[tacit wharf]

isnt that what they said, they'd be better off under elemental dragons (future addition of new elemental dragons as well)

[ember token]

they talked about that too, they were open to an elemental dragons task if they added smilar dragons in the future

[winged mantle]

Yes please

[sacred skiff]

I wonder how many of these dragon sheets we’d need for max boat

[winged mantle]

Bring out the lightning dragons

[sacred skiff]

Hopefully it’s not like grinding out armor shards from rune/addy

[tacit wharf]

kieren made is sound like quite a few and its going to be expensive

or husky

[ember token]

they've been saying the high tier ship upgrades will be expensive, and that a lot of planks are needed overall for sailing

[chrome lantern]

The way they talked in the Q&A made it sound like you need to spend 1b on a max boat

[sacred skiff]

o fuk

[chrome lantern]

Made up number

But expensive was thrown around a ton

[sacred skiff]

Interesting. I mean like con is “expensive” to max too

[chrome lantern]

And stating hours on hours of grinding dragon plates on an iron

[winged mantle]

Probably cost of raw materials like a poh

[chrome lantern]

Which is just

[tacit wharf]

$$$ pricey for mains, may not be worth most of the time for irons

[sacred skiff]

Surely not more expensive than con?

[chrome lantern]

Extremely awful sounding

[ember token]

probably not

[sacred skiff]

Yeah that sounds kinda shit

[winged mantle]

Golden boat made with gold plates?

[chrome lantern]

Like idm if it costs some money but specifically dragon plates sounds pretty awful how they presented it

[sacred skiff]

Grinding ancient crystals on an iron lol

[tacit wharf]

i mean, any combat skills high end gear is expensive

[ember token]

https://www.youtube.com/live/K1DM9K7cYR8?si=3xx2ndXdT2SVeVJ9&t=4000

[chrome lantern]

Go kill this garbage useless slayer monster for a resource that you get 1 every 200 kills and need 200 of them

[ember token]

their response to a question asking about the rarity of dragon plates ^^

[tacit wharf]

so id imagine its similar

[chrome lantern]

Plates, sheets, whatever

[winged mantle]

Gross

In terms of what they are saying as to why"

[chrome lantern]

“It’s probably going to take quite a while” shouldn’t be applied to a trash slayer mob

[sacred skiff]

Hm can I take the survey again now, having heard that lol

[winged mantle]

Probably not viable for irons then

[sacred skiff]

Fr at least give the drop to a slayer boss type fight

[winged mantle]

"how many years to get enough plates to make the spenny ship"

As an extreme half joking

[chrome lantern]

Crazy that he didn’t see any problem killing 12k demons for radiant contracts either

[sacred skiff]

Not grinding dragons with an ice breath (everyone’s favorite status: “just wait for a while”)

[winged mantle]

I'm still waiting for them to make contracts reasonable to obtain/ a perma unlock

[chrome lantern]

Well it sounds like that won’t happen if that’s a jmod stance on them

[sacred skiff]

I’m not opening any more dossiers til I can store all that shit somewhere and not take up my whole bank

[winged mantle]

We love iron gatekeeping

[chrome lantern]

Yeah I am very very inclined to just drop all of them because I won’t ever do them as-is

Not to mention -7.5k aether for no reason whatsoever

[sacred skiff]

Oh dang I forgot that. But I prob won’t bother hunting radiant yet anyway, don’t at least a couple require a mega to not mega-suck?

And I only have one piece of oath anyway

[lean topaz]

Did Legacy Java client got removed?

[ember token]

did you have it installed before and it's gone now?

it's only gonna show up if you have it installed

[lean topaz]

How can I install it?

[tacit wharf]

i smell funny business afoot

[lean topaz]

huh?

I am on my old laptop and have a lot of lag with Official client or Runelite since this pc is hella old

so wanna try if it will be better on old legacy client

[shy sentinel]

I love Husky, absolutely based

[ember token]

I’m not sure if you can still download it officially from their website

yeah, i cant find any official downloads for it

[lean topaz]

Thanks for information!

[glad narwhal]

Hi 👋 any heads up on today’s update?

[ember token]

update blog will be up in 40 minutes

[glad narwhal]

Ahh ok thank you 😁

[ember token]

https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/interface-uplift?oldschool=1

[plain orbit]

Is there time to update?

[nocturne solstice]

If you mean downtime no

[plain orbit]

Ok thx

[dire mural]

looks like we're still waiting on those extra rune pouch and fairy ring slots

[quaint oar]

Sadge. Wanted the rune pouch stuff before the chugging barrel. Oh well

[robust sundial]

is there a fix for characters not being able to acces account history/status yet, been waiting for a fix since last Thursday morning

[harsh flax]

how long downtime

[restive siren]

no downtime

[glossy jewel]

anyone getting "the server is being updated" when trying yo login

?

[ivory cargo]

youll be ok for a minunte there is a game update lol

i was able to log in fyi

[glossy jewel]

ohh I thought that was an hour ago.. Yep works now!

[craggy radish]

Chugging barrels can now pull potions directly from both your bank and potion storage when loading, with a new bank setting to control this behaviour. Handy in spots where you place a cannon to pull in agression, but are otherwise barraging down stacks - such as Smoke Devils.

[languid rose]

bounty hunter world didnt move to correct world its still on uk 318 / supposed to be us ?319?

[nocturne solstice]

I'll look into it

[magic zodiac]

Anyone knows how long the update is gonna last? Just got home from work and wanted to relax abit 🥲

[nocturne solstice]

the update is already over

the game is live again

[magic zodiac]

Oh I just got logged out few mins ago

[languid rose]

please make bounty us i cant eat on 200 ping in hawaii on uk world

[craggy radish]

in the time u asked, u couldve logged in

[terse mulch]

i been in the nex room waiting for her to spawn with my mate for over two minutes rip prepot lmao we just teled out

[magic zodiac]

Alright thanks guys!

Time to grind quests

[visual pike]

what's going on? super laggy. or is it just my philippine internet

[restive siren]

nah its just fucked rn

[sacred geode]

Pvp/bh world rotation didn't go through

[ancient ember]

We've let the team know

[hollow swan]

The worlds are extremely laggy

[visual pike]

seems like not all worlds. i just hopped to 535 and it's ok

[sacred geode]

Sick ty

[cerulean stag]

yeah it's very, very laggy

world 390

[trail nimbus]

Cannot go in game stuck on loading config

[nocturne solstice]

Is this on PC or mobile?

[ancient ember]

We've updated the blog about the PvP rota 🙏

[brazen talon]

Same stuck as well, on mobile, reading server config then error connecting to server

[trail nimbus]

Pc

[brazen talon]

Nvm working now haha

[nocturne solstice]

Have you tried closing the client and opening it again from the jagex launcher?

[trail nimbus]

Yeah I tried it before and was not working but now it is working

[nocturne solstice]

Glad its working now

[nocturne solstice]

#game-update message

[languid rose]

it was already on 318 ...???????

@nocturne solstice

[nocturne solstice]

yup, its not switching rota sadly

[rotund pewter]

Does the equipment bonus show max hit by any chance?

[dire mango]

That would depend on which boosts are active, which type monster you're hitting, what style you're hitting with etc. Not just what you're wearing.

[ornate kettle]

is the official os client and runelite down?

[knotty herald]

RuneLite needs to be updated but that's up at least

just needs to be relaunched

[ornate kettle]

im using the jagex launcher to do so, but im getting the following error

the launcher has experienced an error and needs to close. - failed to access remote metafile - read operation - unable to connect

my internet is obviously fine so thats not the issue

[viscid wraith]

I hope we get 2 weeks of UK ping then

Cos thats some bs

[restive siren]

try #1391372405066301550 mby

ill assume you have tried restarting?

but maybe just a lil bug from jagex end and you need to wait

[coarse salmon]

??????????????? so I have to play on AUS ping for 2 weeks?

[viscid wraith]

Brother they’ve kept it on the same rotation as last week. So it would make sense, and be fair, to then have the next rotation for 2 weeks as well. Calm yourself down

[coarse salmon]

Or you know, just change it to the correct rota once a week

It seems that is too hard for gagek

[restive siren]

people crashing out over the most minor shit will never not be funny

[coarse salmon]

For me it's the difference between unplayable and playable, not really minor. People whiteknighting for jagex being unable to do basic shit will never not be funny to me though

[viscid wraith]

I agree wholeheartedly mate. But typical Jagex response is ‘meh we cba to fix our mistake so it still stay the same for another week’

[restive siren]

sounds like a git gud angle

[viscid wraith]

Exactly this. 200 ping on US PvP rotation is not enjoyable.

[coarse salmon]

Brother you probably start shaking when in level 4 wilderness with a spade and a varrock tab, leave the PVP activities to the big dogs.

[tacit rampart]

is it up ?

[restive siren]

there was no downtime

so yes

[tacit rampart]

im stuck on loading config screen

[ornate kettle]

multiple times yeah