but then it would be diffrent
#game-update
earnest marsh
idle rapids
That's a lot of good options
icy relic
OSRS is just unbelievably easier than RS2 in terms of mental burden because so many things are no longer miserable
earnest marsh
since zulrah came out, skilling been dumbed downye
you can say bosses made rc worse right
why would you get runes from rc, when you get get money/supplys from zulrah while getting uniqes
well i gues mains just do zulrah for any drops i guess. but ironman for example
icy relic
RC was fundamentally flawed
It was made for problems that existed during RSC
When nats were 1k gp each
Both parts of RC, both mining ess, and crafting runes, basically got invalidated until 94
Ay the end of the day RC was not even needed to solve the rune scarcity problem, just adding more runes to drop tables fixed it
But now you have a skill that sucks to train and does basically nothing
(Before OSRS bandaided it)
tacit wharf
the xp grind for skill comes down to this, at least for me
how much effort do i want to put into the skill at the time
low effort stuff like stars/amethyst/rooftops/zeah rc
middle ground basically anything you can look away for 10-30 sec and be fine
high effort things where u can only steal a glance at something else while doing
sweaty like tick manipulation/sep/bosses with high dmg output
icy relic
Tick manipulation goes in its own tier above bossing
Because maintaining that shit with no engagement is truly hellish
idle rapids
watch a vid on the side
tacit wharf
thats exactly what you should be doing with low effort skills
icy relic
You can maintain tick manip as second monitor content?
tacit wharf
of course yr going to have a bad time if your doing a low effort skill but putting all your attention to it
idle rapids
You can maintain tick manip as second monitor content?
if its something easy like 3t barbs yea probably
tick manip methods vary a lot in difficulty imo
Never been able to pull off 2s2g or 1t chins but fishing/woodcutting tick manip fairly simple
icy relic
Mining ones are deceptively difficult because of having to be in cycle
But yeah tick manip is dry as fuck usually
I did a bit of 1.5T calcified
sharp cave
They should simply remove tick manip and buff base exp rates
Absolutely abhorrent design
I guess it wasn't "designed" but it might as well be with recent updatee
minor whale
Rewarding play that requires more effort is the whole point of what most people who enjoy skilling are all about
Removing tick manipulation just makes every skill boring afk garbage
hard axle
Also, before JMods make any kneejerk changes about Doom CAs - Wanted to give my feedback because I think they are pretty fair.
The 1H Melee Task is incredibly easy if you aren't speedrun brain-pilled and take it slow. Even if you take a few melees, the melees are as inaccurate as sotetseg even on the likes of Inq and blood fury is massive for sustain. I brought 8 brews and had 5 left over after.
Speed CA - Several examples of not needing max-gear to do this; Scobow is fine. **The biggest time save is tanking the kamehameha and you can fill dps loss of no zcb/tbow with chally specs, BP autos, BP RESETS, dragon knives. **
Perfect Doom - I've seen folks complain about this and it's nearly identical comments to when Perfect ToB was being done. You need to slow down and use different strats rather than generic money runs. It's always the "good" players that struggle with this task.
thick beacon
they removed alot of core rewards from gm so idt matters if they gatekeep gm a bit more
my only complaint is add radiant to gm not having it is still so bad imo
hard axle
my only complaint is add radiant to gm not having it is still so bad imo
people proved its possible with actual budget gear, so its just a matter of will and mentality 
earnest marsh
still going strong!! whats after 200m xp?
minor whale
Also, before JMods make any kneejerk changes about Doom CAs - Wanted to give my ...
Unfortunately, Gnomonkey complained about the CAs and thus the entire opinion of Reddit is "These are too hard!", they're getting gutted
white narwhal
The CAs don’t need reworked but it would be nice if they added a visual to melee punish like dooms shield eyes light up so people don’t get the weird pause moment if it’s going to melee punish phase or not
hard axle
Unfortunately, Gnomonkey complained about the CAs and thus the entire opinion of...
gnome wasn't even doing it properly 
really hope he was just memeing, but christ
the melee one he was raging about? braindead fucking easy
round lintel
idk about him but we can all agree the melee non prayable attack is kinda dumb
hard axle
sometimes
indigo tinsel
meager flame
The only CA I think missed the mark slightly outside of maybe a bug here or there is just the gm speed one
I think its possible just extremely painful without the best gear
Genuinely I just dont really think those CAs are very good I prefer ones like perfect kills or melee only or whatever where if you execute you always get it rather than there being an element of rng that gets worse as your gear does
old tinsel
Mark of darkness buff timer still showing 5 mins? thought it was 15 now
hard axle
Mark of darkness buff timer still showing 5 mins? thought it was 15 now
this is a runelite change
old tinsel
this is a runelite change
Is there a way to change it on runelite?
ember token
edit the plugin and send a PR to the dev
fair comet
edit the plugin and send a PR to the dev
Have you noticed the Login Screen plugin has been off for like, months?
It’s the default old school RuneScape theme, except the login interface is green
=[
ember token
dont think i use that plugin
fair comet
dont think i use that plugin
I have it turned off, but my OSRS login screen still looks like this unless I flip it on and off
Then it will turn to this
meager flame
Im just guessing but I have a feeling things like that will get more common
Plugin hub for official client stuff in the background probably reduces interest in maintaining plugins for runelite for a lot of people
minor whale
God I hope so
chrome lantern
my only complaint is add radiant to gm not having it is still so bad imo
More importantly, radiant in Clog when
Make cloggers clog
thick beacon
id like it in clog but i can understand clog being more of a grind then a skill check
cas absoloutely should have it though imo
hard axle
id like it in clog but i can understand clog being more of a grind then a skill ...
if the clog starts leaving out uniques based on skill checks, just remove everything after slayer boss lol
earnest marsh
lmao it puts pressure on them to do so many weird things
heey, it made corp have value
meager flame
i wonder if they anticipated what would happen and accepted it or not
basically anytime jagex creates like an official mode or check list or whatever
they spawn an army of people with expectations and demands
for example with the collection log
now that they've created the log they have also created a large group of people that expect to be able to complete the log
and people who don't want them to add more to it because they already completed part of said log
so now they're in situations like for example
tacit wharf
ez, tell them to shut up and move on
meager flame
they dont know if they should add new clue rewards to things like medium clues because the people that clogged mediums will get upset
that they have to go back
and so on
or
they can't make a fun and super rare item because people get mad that they can't get it
even though they never intended people to go farm for it to begin with
meager flame
ez, tell them to shut up and move on
thats the thing jagex can't do that
they have to make the game for the people playing the game
hard axle
heey, it made corp have value
actually tanks value
tacit wharf
they can, no reason to cave to the entitled peoples
hard axle
they have to make the game for the people playing the game
no no, when it comes to balance, they absolutely can 
meager flame
you can't really create a situation where people aren't satisified and then leave it if you're trying to make money
tacit wharf
like the fact of a skiller the other day asking for a max cape even though they aint maxed, tough shit, go max, move on
meager flame
yeah that's fine though because its such a small part of the community
they cannot do the same thing for example with irons because they made the mode and now 30% of their players are playing it
so they have to bend
meager flame
clogging is the same way where there are just so many people doing it now
that they have to respond
meager flame
yup that gets easier every time they update it
sometimes its better for the hardcore things to stay hardcore and unofficial
that way you dont spawn a whole community of less invested people that will demand changes and water it down
tacit wharf
that is the exact reason "official modes" shouldnt be the soup of the day, stares at people wanted bronzeman mode
small anvil
Cloggers are the most impotent "I'll quit if in not happy" threats imo
If you're hardcore clogging you're kinda terminally addicted
meager flame
that is the exact reason "official modes" shouldnt be the soup of the day, stare...
tbh i think bronze man can work as an official mode just because i think there is a huge market for like
something between playing an iron and a main
meager flame
like a lot of the current irons would be bronze most likely
if it had been a real option
oh of course it wouldn't be the pvp streamer meme mode
you would never ever allow people to unlock items from pvp
tacit wharf
i mean at that point, u might as well just play a greenhelm
meager flame
i just think that there is a huge appetite for a mode where people have to go out and unlock their items
but it doesn't come with the burden of having to farm your herbs and do birdhouses for eternity
and no greenhelm doesn't address the problem a lot of people have with being an iron
at least not in a positive way
sure if you look hard enough you can find discords to buy things for green helms but that's terrible and probably shouldn't even be a mode
bronze man is the answer to why a ton of irons make it to end game and deiron
they really like the process of unlocking their own gear but probably don't really want to do chores for the rest of their life so once you get to the far end of things and you aren't really progressing anymore
it slows down so much that they hate that all they're really doing is farming their consumable supplies
those guys need a bronze man mode
hard axle
its just donation scape
just no pvp unlocks and it's golden
im not kidding
and no trading aside from GE 
95% of irons would be better as bronzies
mentality wise
hard axle
clogging is the same way where there are just so many people doing it now
but yeah, jagex leaving shit out of CAs and clog because them being worried about pissing off the people they're making it for is the dumbest self-trap they put themselves in
humble cargo
There's a lot of items that are available as a one off drop but not in quantities they can be regularly used by ironmen
Like prayer pot from crazy archeologist
Cheese one out with 40 magic and a air staff and now you can just buy prayer pots? I don't see how that appeals to "95% of ironmen"
Fair enough that most ironmen would be better off without the maintenance
But it's not maintenance at that point. You're just skipping huge parts of the early game
(if anyone wants to respond to this please tag me in some way. I don't check this channel frequently enough to catch it)
stuck mauve
are you being sillius right now
jagged marsh
There's a lot of items that are available as a one off drop but not in quantitie...
Yes you can do this but it takes forever and you're better off just getting the herb level for them.
Ppots take like 38 herb to make
But also moth mixes are more sustainable early on
icy relic
but yeah, jagex leaving shit out of CAs and clog because them being worried abou...
This is deja vu for sure
Taking final boss out of comp cape in RS3 because "forcing people to do group bosses is emotional terrorism" is actually what killed the game
rare grotto
but it doesn't come with the burden of having to farm your herbs and do birdhous...
yeah mate it's called bronzeman mode
every ironman wishes they were one
frail bough
There's a lot of items that are available as a one off drop but not in quantitie...
Bronzeman should just be literal clogs to unlock items. Not dumb shit like the pker vids or the plugin you've seen.
You would still have to play the game.
That said, this is sort of exactly why it probably won't come out. Ironman is easy because it's 1) npc shops and 2) unlock literally everything
Bronzeman will have issues with people making decisions on unlocks because of how its already been shown.
I would agree with zapdos. Most irons who get to end game wish they could buy their 10,001st prayer pot to just game with friends because they've already unlocked all the good gear
Itd maybe be weird but i wouldnt mind a new mode where skilling things unlock in ge after specific thresholds or something
But yeah it's really only the chores.
Its fun to unlock and get to use your supplies to be more efficient / capable.
Its not fun (to most, probably) to do another farm run after having done them for 10 yrs.
Similarly for iron pvm. I know some routes have changed but as an example.
Its fun to grind zulrah with ibans until magic fang for unlock.
Its not fun to do zulrah with ibans after that.
Should it be make 1 prayer pot to unlock in ge? Probably not but idk
meager flame
I think the vast majority of irons should be bronze
And it should unlock items like the plugins just without the ability to pk to unlock
Its literally the perfect middle ground between what feels good about playing an iron and what doesn't
Not saying it never happens but the population of irons that actually enjoy things like
Doing birdhouses forever or making all of their planks is tiny compared to the people really just doing it for the dopamine of unlocking pvm upgrades
It would probably spawn a whole new wave of people happily running around picking up random stuff just to see it unlocked and available for their ge
I also low key think that if a mode like that had existed since they added irons it would probably be the most popular way to play the game in general
Like if 30% of us are willing to play an iron i can only imagine a mode thats a cross between good things about mains and irons would do numbers
sacred cove
I like the idea of bronzeman but the pvp portion would definitely need to be thrown out. I also don't think just getting a drop of a consumable should unlock it, I think you should have the level required to make it to be able to purchase it.
thick beacon
im not against bronzeman but supplies really arent to bad these days
only thing that really sucks is blood shards/dammo imo
sacred cove
I agree. I play in such a way that for whatever reason I don't often run out of supplies. I have friends that just strictly pvm and they run out often and get frustrated about it.
sharp cave
I can see a revised mode working, kind of like terrarias journey mode
sacred cove
I also think a good element of bronze man mode might be that getting to the drop rate of an item unlocks the ability to purchase it. That still gives some feeling of earning it, while preventing having to worry about going 5x dry on bowfa.
sharp cave
Where you have to gather a certain amount of the item before u can dupe it, or in this case, buy it off the ge
sharp cave
I also think a good element of bronze man mode might be that getting to the drop...
Better solution is just to add bad luck protection
Going 5x rate with no drop is just bad game design
thick beacon
do u guys think bad luck protection should only apply to bronzeman or general update for all accounts?
sacred cove
I think a general protection for all accounts could be good, but I don't have the answer for how to implement it without messing up the economy.
sharp cave
If i were to implement it, I would make it iron only, and the item should be untradable
sacred cove
That would not work
brave hearth
is there anything we're expecting for this weeks update?
sharp cave
That would not work
Yes cos unfortunately we have a cancerous tumour in the form of the wilderness
While it woild be cringe i wouldn't mind if they were unusable in pvp situations but we're always kept on death
thick beacon
personally im kinda in middle id like to see bad luck mitigation but only for extremely important items like pmuch mrares
sharp cave
Id rather have a pity bowfa I can use literally everywhere else when im 10x the rate than none
brave hearth
just hope you're not as unlucky as he box jonge at getting a shadow
thick beacon
like a untradeable drop thats a bit worse then the normal weapon?
meager flame
They should just help you when the game is fucking you over statistically it really doesn't get that bad for most people
And thats even more reason to step in when it does happen
Like for example I have 1 doom unique in 300 deep delves thats actually crazy lol but not even as bad as it can get
sacred cove
Like just cutting out the 5% unlucky folks and throwing a pity drop there way would solve the issue
sacred cove
That shouldn't mess with the economy, they are already 4x dry I think
meager flame
It also depends on the item
Like if I go 5x for a whip that blows but I can handle that
I have two maxed accounts and everything almost lol but idk if I could tank 5x on a tbow
brave hearth
Like for example I have 1 doom unique in 300 deep delves thats actually crazy lo...
from my clan
meager flame
Thats "better" than mine was before I got the boots at like 240 but lol
Its pretty not good
brave hearth
sometimes you just get got good
meager flame
I just dunno how theyre cool with certain items and leaving it totally to chance
Its funny or interesting when its a relatively easy item to get but when jagex puts things in the game like megarares where just going on rate is hundreds of hours
Theyre just waiting to see who they can make quit when it doesn't go well honestly
brave hearth
forever chasing that megarare probably keeps more players hooked than it makes you quit. especially after how much time you spend on an acc to get this far
at that point you're probably hooked
thick beacon
I have two maxed accounts and everything almost lol but idk if I could tank 5x o...
i believe 5x bowfa is still faster then rate tbow its fked
brave hearth
dry protetion only seems to exist on content that's really outdated like kq head or stuff that really halts your progression midgame like a vorkath head
meager flame
i believe 5x bowfa is still faster then rate tbow its fked
Im pretty sure 5x tbow would be encroaching on time to max a fresh account lol
earnest marsh
and tbow is just better then bowfa at some bosses
obsidian venture
do u guys think bad luck protection should only apply to bronzeman or general up...
Shouldn’t exist really. I remember post moons people were asking for it
Rng game
thick beacon
and tbow is just better then bowfa at some bosses
tbow is better everywhere that matters over bowfa and its alot better
meager flame
theres just like
earnest marsh
bandos 🫡
thick beacon
Shouldn’t exist really. I remember post moons people were asking for it
ye totaly fair
meager flame
a point where you have to ask if someone going this dry is actually improving the game
and the answer will be no
it'll be some number where it doesn't happen to many people and the economic impact would be negligible due to the volume
meager flame
and tbh
if jagex ever does get around to doing it
they should never ever tell us how it works
the most they should do is let us know it exists
if anything
icy relic
Early bandos is not worth doing
I think OSRS faces a pretty substantial problem right now regarding balancing around the economy
Namely the only way to preserve the value of anything is to make it stupidly inaccessible, or for Jagex to directly intervene to set prices
meager flame
ya they need deflation
icy relic
I have always hated megas as a concept
meager flame
non irons don't wanna hear about it but that ge tax is doing god's work for them
it should be higher
icy relic
They took all the powercreep in RS2 that people supposedly hated
And then sold it back to players at an absurd time and cost pricetag
Now all the power you used to be able to obtain through consistent grinding and account progression
vivid ruin
Namely the only way to preserve the value of anything is to make it stupidly ina...
Raise taxes 10 fold. Make more sinks. Make the grand exchange less convenient.
icy relic
And just sold it to bond buyers
meager flame
like they need to unleash the ge tax and buy back system
icy relic
Everyone else gets fucked
meager flame
like actually just go in with it
thick beacon
feel like they written themselves into a corner with megas
icy relic
ToA wouldn't be shit if Jagex decoupled arcane from ward and then set the price of items at their power budget
meager flame
i think the players can do a great job of setting prices ourselves the problem is that basically
they're generating too many items and too much gold at the same time from a lot of content
and you can attack both problems because the ge tax and item deletion thing are hacks that wouldn't work in most economic models
but because its a video game they can actually just go directly at the problem
icy relic
Right
vivid ruin
they're generating too many items and too much gold at the same time from a lot ...
The GE is way too convenient
icy relic
It is just so strange to me how skills just stop in this game
thick beacon
2% tax not enough imo should be more
icy relic
The last stat boosting potion in herb is super strengths, and after that you get more efficient pots but at the same power
meager flame
its just straight up cheating because they could raise the tax up and then still be deleting more gold than they're putting back in by an insane degree
and also be targeting the items they're setting at "reasonable" drop rates
vivid ruin
2% tax not enough imo should be more
Should be 15% for how convenient it is
meager flame
and just deleting the hell out of them to make sure they still hold value
thick beacon
personally I wouldint go that far but ye id easily make it atleast 5%
meager flame
their goal should be to actually get the game to deflation where actual gold numbers are dropping
but the value of 1gp is going up
basically they just need to get back in control of the games economy
you can even tell they're a bit worried about it because they keep trying to like
icy relic
It's so strange to me when mains act like badasses and say RNG protection is handouts for irons
minor whale
Why exactly are we trying to punish the GE again
icy relic
Like there is a reason mains don't do PNM and corp
meager flame
invent niche solutions to getting super mega rich players to give that gold back to the masses
icy relic
If the content is too shit for irons, it's too shit for mains to be an acceptable moneymaker
minor whale
Super mega rich players already spend more than any other player group
meager flame
the actual gap between someone trying to get their first good gear sets and the people buying bis has gotten incredibly large
like if you login in 2015 and you're like
minor whale
I've got several friends whose yearly GE tax is in the 10s of bils
meager flame
let me get bis
minor whale
And money is so much easier to get these days
The pathway to endgame has never been easier
meager flame
its a grind but its measured in the hundreds of mils and you can really make a big dent in that
if you login today and say let me get bis on my fresh account
i hope you're able to farm the raid yourself otherwise good luck see you in a couple years
maybe
minor whale
Literally just wgs -> synapses -> Yama -> Delve, gz you're now printing money with elite void and a 50m gear setup
meager flame
yeah except that guy is like wgs > omg tds > yama > delve difficulty level - impossible
lmao
meager flame
that type of stuff is for people who have been here for a long time
meager flame
ya but they're gonna just get bogged down in learning it all and they'll get some pretty decent gear imo
but the climb out of that to actual bis is a very long one
and part of it really is the like
super inflated state of the game
minor whale
Grind to bis has always been long, they can easily just do what everyone else did before those new bis slots came out and just use what was prior bis
Can't afford Shadow? Ayak
Can't afford Scythe? Tent Whip
Every boss drops an absolute shitload of loot, you can't just say new players can't make it to endgame when the grind to endgame has always been fucking huge
icy relic
If not for megas I think the spread of items in the game is really good
hard axle
Why exactly are we trying to punish the GE again
Cuz people are being dumb now
2% per item is a disgusting amount of gp removed. People saying 15% are basically wanting everyone to pay a 5m fee on every single 30m items for something that’s been in the game specifically to remove the scams related to trading 
minor whale
If a players enjoys pvm, they'll enjoy the journey to bis that today has more points of power increase than they ever have in the past
icy relic
I just personally would prefer to see extremes/ovls and better prayers come out and no megas in the game but the ship has sailed on that
meager flame
im ngl
minor whale
Game would be catastrophically boring with no megas ngl
meager flame
im not really sure how i'd do it because there are valid reasons to need to let someone borrow something
minor whale
Oh boy, nothing to spend my wealth on!
meager flame
but if i were them i'd delete face to face trading
icy relic
And this is coming as someone who is 2250 and 4.5B bank in a year and a half on an iron
icy relic
but if i were them i'd delete face to face trading
Yeah the non free trade era was glorious, no bots because no way to offload botted loot
meager flame
its actually funny because
icy relic
And we voted 99% to bring back the bots!
meager flame
the people who play now
are actually built for how the game worked then
a lot more than the people who actually had the rug pulled on them
icy relic
Too young and dumb at the time
hard axle
If the content is too shit for irons, it's too shit for mains to be an acceptabl...
Nex has been contradicting this for years at this point 
meager flame
we actually even have more potential solutions for the downsides than we had then too
meager flame
like for example maybe you want to give your alt gp and in 2010 you would've been screwed
in 2025 they have jagex accounts and they know its you
they could let you send yourself stuff easily
icy relic
People say nex is bad because greenlogging nex is bad
But the time between drops is not egregious and the value of drops is good
minor whale
Yeah the non free trade era was glorious, no bots because no way to offload bott...
Ash directly said this is incorrect like 2 days ago btw
There were so many ways to offload loot that still exist today
meager flame
nono they had bots just not the same kind of bots
minor whale
Bots were less prevalent because people then were lazier with it, but by the end of it there were absolutely bots once again that were doing the exact same things
meager flame
unfortunately that era mirrored this one in the way it seems jagex is losing control of botting
icy relic
They offloaded stuff via junk trading
meager flame
and so tons of like
actual real players were the bots
not to gold farm just to level up
icy relic
Yeah I know lots of people who were botting at the time
meager flame
they didn't ban most of them either
they got a message to stop or they would be banned once they finally had the bot nuke
icy relic
They nuked your stats
meager flame
but it was so many real people jagex gave them a chance
icy relic
Instead of banning
meager flame
not even that
they actually just gave people a warning message
if you kept going obviously things would happen to you but they asked nicely once
thats how out of control it got
tbh im kinda worried we're heading right back to it right now lol
icy relic
Back then people were macroing and AHKing because they didn't want to train
earnest marsh
time to take a break from osrs untill bot problem get fixed
hard axle
Back then people were macroing and AHKing because they didn't want to train
So same as today 
meager flame
what popped off were the injection bots
icy relic
Yes
meager flame
from the osbuddy guys before they were osbuddy
hard axle
icy relic
But on top of that there's the persistent damage to the economy from today's RWT ecosystem
meager flame
where they started pressing jagex's buttons
icy relic
I'm not gonna doomer too hard because game is still fun but like
Yama rates into Doom rates into ToA nerf into PNM still being left in its current state
Jagex is really struggling
meager flame
i mean i've played rs since like 2003 lol pretty much everything comes and goes
bots get bad then theres a big solution until it ramps back up and that'll all repeat
icy relic
Yeah I've been around since RSC
meager flame
same with people's feedback around things like drop rates or sidegrades or too much bis vs not enough bis
icy relic
Bots are a plague in every game
meager flame
if you take the long view of things rs has basically always been very reactionary
so you kinda do know what will happen in the future if you look at what people complain about right now
icy relic
People see a problem and they complain
Aye
It's been very interesting seeing OSRS run into the exact problems as RS2
hard axle
It's been very interesting seeing OSRS run into the exact problems as RS2
Temporary solution, but they need to put more emphasis on hiscores perpetually.
Doesn’t matter if you’re an antisocial loner, people inherently like comparing stats and progression.
If half the hiscores are plagued with bots, people have a valid reason to complain.
Account got hacked? Reset kc or permanently remove them off hiscores.
obsidian venture
Ngl, pnm is getting more attention from mains because of a simple phase removal
Looking at the different pvm events that has been occurring and more people are actually doing the boss over ignoring it till last
hard axle
leviathan was like 19/25 bots and that’s not a good thing to display.
obsidian venture
Which is quite a stark difference from a few months ago and the years prior
small anvil
I'm of the belief that jagex took their eye off the bots until recently, there was absolutely a ban wave
And prices are headed in the other direction rn
obsidian venture
It was a massive one
icy relic
They had a few big banwaves
small anvil
But like damage is done
meager flame
yeah you can actually tell when they ban them on my iron
small anvil
Bots went unchecked for like 2-3 months
icy relic
But things build up again and get out of control
small anvil
Apparently anti botting people is part of the support team which... Is not a good sign imp
hard axle
It was a massive one
Made 25m off a long-term merch in the matter of a week 
minor whale
Tbf they had made their anti-cheating specialist "redundant" and then from then until now it seems they just had no-one working on it
hard axle
Should be 500m once bots are gone
minor whale
Then they come back with a new anti-cheat lead and a massive nuke comes in
small anvil
Tbf they had made their anti-cheating specialist "redundant" and then from then ...
Jesus
meager flame
yeah im kinda curious about that entire situation
small anvil
So they literally were asleep at the wheel
Makes sense
But my god so much DMG done
icy relic
W o w
meager flame
because im pretty sure you actually cant make someone redundant in the uk and then rehire for the position
without offering them their job back
but they seem to be doing something very close to that
icy relic
That is so damning if true
minor whale
Twisted had been made redundant and I think the new jmod in Discord is the new one, but either the time between them getting the job and implementing something was huge, or they just hadn't been in the job until recently
minor whale
without offering them their job back
It was a different role
Only applies to same jobs
If they make a new role that fulfills the same purpose
meager flame
yeah but thats a pretty common way to get caught trying to do it
minor whale
Hunky-dory :))
meager flame
you cant just double name change irl
all it takes is someone mad enough to call you on it
so theres probably a bit more going on
hard axle
Wait what happened to twisted???
sacred skiff
meager flame
im not sure if they have a new role that significantly different enough to pass or if like
something else happened and its just not public
he could've just said no to the rehire too
minor whale
I'll just say he's been public about having wanted the job back
hard axle
Jesus, laid off since May 2025?
meager flame
i mean lol that could mean he was just getting it out there to prove he would've come back
meager flame
and they're about to have some legal proceedings
small anvil
This is why I was shouting that people using the usual lines were wrong
It wasn't banning in waves to avoid counter detection
If suicide not disguised bots were lasting so long
small anvil
You need to shoot on sight
The way to combat bots is to make it economically unappealing
Kill them before they recoup their roi
meager flame
ya waste their time kill the margins etc
it really will work
thats why if they were to simply take out the buyers instead it would fix it but
obviously they exist in massive numbers and it would hurt jagex
but if you attack the economy of botting you can solve it
small anvil
thats why if they were to simply take out the buyers instead it would fix it but
Ehh not since bonds exist I feel
meager flame
its probably harder to break the will of the guy botting for money
than it is to break the guy buying the gp for money
small anvil
Hurting the rate they get per rwt gold is not as important
minor whale
They just should punish buying and selling with instant permas, or, wealth deletion and temps
And that includes items purchased with the rwt gp
Wealth deletion only would be hilarious actually
Just completely wipe someone's bank of all items if they ever rwt any gp
meager flame
that just sucks for jagex because these people are also paying jagex lol
so its a little unrealistic to expect them to really go in on buyers
small anvil
People that do giveaways with purchased gp
Will be able to fuck with a large number of people
But yeah, no one doing anti cheat in the last 4 months makes way too much sense and it's just sad
That jagex allowed that to happen
still sphinx
meager flame
im ngl though i've always wondered what it would be like if they simply flagged every seller
did nothing and compiled a list of all buyers
hard axle
so its a little unrealistic to expect them to really go in on buyers
I’m a firm believer of if you kill the chicken, you’ll scare the monkeys
Take out the most well known people
meager flame
and just laid waste to the entire gold buying/selling market after like 6 months
icy relic
The incentives are just stupidly strong to cheat in this game because it's so time consuming
hard axle
Not my business, but Oda has basically been receiving RWT gold from his donators for ages
At some point, wyd
minor whale
Loved his "rebuttal" video about Ziklover not Rwting 16b a day
meager flame
yeah they casually do things all the time that are definitely over the line
just not in like a super detrimental way
minor whale
He offered 0 actual ways he's managing to get that gp
meager flame
so i think they just look the other way
meager flame
ziklover is the funniest person because even oda laughed about that the other day
someone asked him how he hasn't been banned yet and he was like "im not gonna say anything but i have no idea"
hard axle
Yeah, two things can be true at the same time. Reddit is dumber than a pile of bricks, but Oda is definitely getting funneled a ton of rwt gold, which funnels bot farms.
icy relic
And he is going to keep getting it because he is a walking staking casino where the odds are stacked against you
But people like those odds
meager flame
tbh as long as jagex watches him (they do) its not even really that bad
hes kinda just soaking up the gold and its going nowhere
i know they watch creators specifically so they cant do anything too dumb
icy relic
At the end of the day he streams so much and does it out in the open
meager flame
but most games also flag accounts that get past a certain amount of wealth automatically
and hes certainly past that point
icy relic
I do not think he is even the problem
But a reflection of the absurd amount of RWT wealth going around
hard axle
If they took him out like they took out BTC, that would be funny 
Cuz he’s not going to quit, will just do a rebuild
Make even more money
meager flame
yeah it would be infinite content glitch for him
hard axle
500b removed would be crazy of a chicken kill to warn the monkeys
It’s like how deironing irons back then warned a lot of them to play properly
hard axle
but most games also flag accounts that get past a certain amount of wealth autom...
100b
Before that, there’s always a use, even if niche as shit
I’ve generated at least 15b in drops since I’ve started playing
rare grotto
I also think a good element of bronze man mode might be that getting to the drop...
hope some ppl never have a say in how stuff gets designed
bronzeman never happening so doesn't matter
earnest marsh
I’ve generated at least 15b in drops since I’ve started playing
Should see sueside bots
In 5 hours, 200 bots in f2p makes sapphire neckleses and generateds 2-3b
hard axle
hope some ppl never have a say in how stuff gets designed
Bro, bronzeman mode is already lenient as is and then you have mfers wanting further dry protection.
Just play a main at that point 😭
Oh wait, these are often the type of people that couldn’t handle clogging or late game content, which is why they restarted
frail bough
Bro, bronzeman mode is already lenient as is and then you have mfers wanting fur...
To your last point, i don't think that's necessarily the case, basically ever.
Just that iron sounds more fun and by the time they would have gotten to the point of enjoying clog type things, they are already sunk cost fallacy'd into iron
And at that point they realize a bronzeman mode would have been more ideal
sacred cove
Some people just like to come into a conversation and throw sand in people's eyes to make themselves feel better.
rare grotto
To your last point, i don't think that's necessarily the case, basically ever.
...
we agree on how irons came to be the way they are
and the obv solution is to deiron
but everyone except the irons themselves agree
frail bough
Just objectively false
rare grotto
all they do is permanently whine about how xyz should be more accessible at the detriment of the game's economy
frail bough
There can simply be different versions of the game that meet the in between
hard axle
To your last point, i don't think that's necessarily the case, basically ever.
...
Clogging is fundamentally the same thing. Bronzemanmode already solves a big complaint about sustaining supplies, and is easier than normal iron/gim, which would fit a lot more casual players.
frail bough
Agreed
hard axle
It’s not necessary to slap on more dry protections imo, even if it’s just buyable
rare grotto
there are so many gamemodes and thinking they want to split the playerbase up even more is cope af
now it's just another fraction of playerbase jagex has to bend their design to
and we keep getting watered down content as a result
frail bough
I don't think having different modes really splits the base but we can just agree to disagree
minor whale
Yeah something that's an in-between of iron and main wouldn't really split anything lmao
Like you're already designing things for irons, designing things for bronzes would just be designing things for irons at the worst
frail bough
If people can play together in the way that they enjoy, then it doesn't split
rare grotto
i too live in fairy land
minor whale
Yeah I'd not play an iron because fuck gathering shit, but I'd consider playing bronzeman because it'd be genuinely the parts of iron I think sucks removed and just a clogging gamemode
hard axle
remove pvp unlocks from current BMM and it’s a solid game mode
sacred cove
I'm happy being an iron. I wouldn't even swap to bronzeman mode. I just think if they did make bronzeman mode, it should solve the two core issues folks have with irons. Grinding consumables, and going dry. I don't think the game should ever hand things out. I'm not sure how suggesting the ability to buy an item off the GE once you get to its kill count is getting it for free, anymore than mains getting everything for free off the ge.
hard axle
pvp unlocks is just…?
rare grotto
I'm happy being an iron. I wouldn't even swap to bronzeman mode. I just think if...
irons would still exist even if bronzeman mode existed
and it would continue to water down content
hard axle
Whoever designed it that way had some dumb pvp bias that overshadowed balance
sacred cove
Are you a gm?
shadow wave
Wasn't it Framed who did Bronzeman first?
frail bough
No he just baits
shadow wave
Well, popularised it first
hard axle
No he just baits
oi
minor whale
So a game mode that already exists and would still have people doing
Would be watered down by a game mode that's clog focused
And mains would still be majority
hard axle
I will slap you with my zuk helm
minor whale
I just don't see the correlation that bmm specifically would be detrimental
frail bough
Cause it wouldn't
minor whale
It seems like he just hates irons (fair) and wants nothing even related to irons considered (not exactly fair)
frail bough
Minus time spent, it just gives people another way to be happy
rare grotto
well bronzemen would still complain about stuff being too rare, therefore jagex has to design purples to be easy obtainable (with easily obtainable gear) therefore mains plow through said accessible content
frail bough
Are you saying mains don't complain? Like what are you talking about
shadow wave
I suppose the only potential downside is that it lowers the price of uniques, because BMM players can't buy them but can sell them so they're incentivesed to continue doing bosses after a greenlog unline an iron?
sacred cove
No person has made a valid point that bmm should not exist. It would not water down content anymore than catering to irons already does, so that point is invalid.
rare grotto
are you missing the point @frail bough
frail bough
I guess so
minor whale
Yeah that's a delusional take sorry
Mains also complain about a shitload of stuff, Jagex making things more accessible overall has also led to stuff being changed for them
sacred cove
Can't miss something that doesn't exist
minor whale
Like PNM wasn't done by anyone and now mains are all over it
rare grotto
false equivalence goes crazy, i'm talking specifically about complaining about drop rates
minor whale
It's not a solely iron issue that stuff is made accessible
rare grotto
not complaining in general
frail bough
You keep saying irons just complain as your main point and i hear mains bitch every time a raid isn't a purp
minor whale
Jagex just always caters to the lowest common denominator
frail bough
Like cmon
minor whale
Mains also complain about drop rates all the time
rare grotto
It's not a solely iron issue that stuff is made accessible
mostly an iron issue
minor whale
Sorry this issue just isn't iron v main and I'm a main
rare grotto
hence i point to ironmen
mains don't care if stuff is rare because they can buy it
ironmen are stuck doing said content
frail bough
False
minor whale
It really isn't
Mains all the time ask for stuff to be made easier so they can get the kc and get the drops
rare grotto
i too can make stuff up
sacred cove
Mains complain all the time about not having gold for things. Not sure how, this game would be stupid easy as a main.
rare grotto
mains want drops to be worth something, which they can't be because ironman mode mandates stuff is easily obtainable
see delve or any piece of content of the last 5 years
minor whale
Mains cried so much about Delve loot not being worth doing because it doesn't drop raw gp without uniques
sacred cove
Easy != Obtainable
minor whale
Irons cried too that the only useful thing from Delve is uniques
rare grotto
just cause u say it isn't doesnt mean it isn't 😂 u actually have to reason through an argument
minor whale
Brother if you think irons are the only ones complaining that gear requirements are bad you're just delusional
rare grotto
why do u think delve loot is worthless
frail bough
Bots 😏
minor whale
Jagex has given out stats before on % of all accounts with megas and it's single digits
minor whale
Mains are absolutely also asking for shit to be more common and less gear requirements to get
sacred cove
It's not the rate that is the issue, it's the accessibility
minor whale
Yeah irons have iron specific updates too
minor whale
Damn you're really just dead set on "accept irons are the cause of all problems in this game or you're stupid" aren't you lmao
rare grotto
i think it's funny how u can deflect all blame from ironmen
because u play one
i'm not saying ur a bad person
minor whale
Like you didn't see the past 3 months where bots ran rampant at all content and were on the front page of all bosses
rare grotto
i'm saying the gamemode fucks game design over
sacred cove
And the truth is, if they make content that is not accessible, they won't do well. The real issue is then catering to the masses, which won't change. If nightmare uniques were relevant, there would be an uproar that the rates were so bad.
minor whale
I don't play iron lmfao
I'm saying you're delusional to place all the blame on Jagex making shit easy on irons
meager flame
there was
people have told jagex everything they did with the nightmare was stupid from day 1
rare grotto
ur just clueless if u think the majority of content isn't ironman friendly af
meager flame
they're just stubborn
rare grotto
and that it fucks mains over in indirect ways
sacred cove
So the biggest issue we all have, is the company that makes the content for us wants to make money, and therefore the content cannot be as challenging as end game players want it to be, because that is bad for business.
rare grotto
does it help other types of players? yes. Would these updates exist if ironman mode didn't exist? no
frail bough
...?
small anvil
Designing around Ironmen is the cause behind some of our most recent misses on loot tables imo
Yama especially
But also early wave doom
meager flame
i dont really think they design around irons as much as people say though
small anvil
Making things "realistically" achievable for irons means that you end up with flooded market and crashed prices
meager flame
i hear a lot more dumb things come out of jagex about like
well we have to make a mining method for this boss so mining can be profitable
or
hard axle
So the biggest issue we all have, is the company that makes the content for us w...
Yes and no. People bitch about orbs and contracts, but it was a very decent transfer of wealth to lower level players and only existed because there was a difficult encounter at the end of it.
meager flame
we have to make awakeners orbs so noobs get money from big spenders
they make tons of bad choices thinking about muh economy
sacred cove
Fair
hard axle
well we have to make a mining method for this boss so mining can be profitable
You will be made into oathplate shards 
rare grotto
what's the problem with orbs conceptually
meager flame
lmao i just kinda wish they'd stop freestyling "interesting" loot mechanics with big pie the sky ideas about the economy
hard axle
they make tons of bad choices thinking about muh economy
And they make equally as shit decisions when they don’t
rare grotto
oathplate shards being strictly a thing for ironmen :icant:
meager flame
they already know what works
nah if it were built for irons it honestly would've helped
instead they're tradable
and its a horrible idea because of it
rare grotto
benefits ironmen so much but fucked over mains because it crashed oathplate's value
sadge
hard axle
Should’ve been untradeable
small anvil
Yama honestly was partially crashed cuz of the bots too
hard axle
I might be wrong on some things, but I wanna say I’m right 70-80% of the time.
small anvil
There was rampant botting for yama
meager flame
ya i just hated things like the orbs and contracts mostly because
small anvil
Oath crashed*
meager flame
i really just dont like the idea of gating people's attempt at fun and challenging content
hard axle
ya i just hated things like the orbs and contracts mostly because
bloodied blows is a better solo experience
unironically
rare grotto
there's always rampant botting, doesn't rly prevent stuff from being worth something or not
it's a design issue
not a bot issue
meager flame
i think they're just being toxic by pairing the fun thing you might want to do with an additional cost
so you basically get chores to go with your fun challenge
small anvil
Nah the botting was genuinely way worse the last 4 months
rare grotto
make content that's doable by lvl 60 ironmen fresh off varlamore then yeah don't be surprised uniques are 20m
small anvil
Apparently their anti cheat person got laid off
hard axle
yeah there’s levels of botting, like them relegating twisted to nothing and then letting bots run rampant
small anvil
At the exact same time bots went out of control
I would absolutely not be surprised if it's a 1 person "team" too
meager flame
i just hope they dont learn the wrong lesson with oathplate shards lol
letting people build up to making 1 item if they spend forever seems fine but letting the players crowdsource uniques in pieces is insane
rare grotto
what's the drop rate on any oath piece
shadow wave
1/600
hard axle
i just hope they dont learn the wrong lesson with oathplate shards lol
Same reason why I don’t care if they made crystal armor seeds or added a breakdown system the norm
Just keep that shit untradeable.
If you pot enough Yama to make a piece, it would easily be worth 2-3x its current value.
Instant gratifications nuts are still like “but I like my 900k drop”, stfu.
meager flame
yeah almost every shard in the game would be in someones bank never getting used
and it would be fine because of it
hard axle
The problem is that it also makes it collectively easier to bot, hurts mains profitability, hurts irons because shards need to be rarer if tradeable.
minor whale
So yeah a system that benefit irons and shitty mains that wanted consistent loot
Which if kept untradable would have been fine
That's not an iron issue
Jagex just wants everyone to be able to do things quicker because they fell victim to the "I've got 13 kids and 3 wives and don't have time for this" people
hard axle
So yeah a system that benefit irons and shitty mains that wanted consistent loot...
It’s only an iron issue if you consider why they added it in the first place, which was dry protection.
If it didn’t exist, wouldn’t have been an issue at the release rates imo.
instead, they kept it tradeable + kept it
Prices are not necessarily linear, as shown with fang.
If stuff is too common, once the market reaches various levels of saturation, it just drops like a rock.
Stuff coming in incrementally is way healthier for the game, especially coupled with GE Tax and banning bots.
shadow wave
I do wonder as well if we're now a critical point where longer term players have enough cash now to not need to buy and resell as frequently?
meager flame
i think there just aren't enough of us for it to matter
like if i cashed it all in and just played my main i'd never resell anything
tbh i probably wouldn't even sell my loot from doing content most of the time
i might get to it eventually but like
shadow wave
Like it's taken 12 years for the bulk of the active non-bot playerbase to hit their first bil, and making your 2nd bil is way faster after making your first, so there is just more cash going about and not as much need for people to buy stuff
meager flame
if you play enough you basically hit escape velocity eventually where you have more gp than you can use unless you want to start some youtube series or buy 2b soul runes
hard axle
I do wonder as well if we're now a critical point where longer term players have...
Items are often not resold, which is why hitting the critical point of 2 fangs per player caused fang to hit 8m despite how strong it is.
hard axle
Like it's taken 12 years for the bulk of the active non-bot playerbase to hit th...
Inflation imo
hard axle
Back then, moneymaker did not pump nearly as much raw gold into the game
Now?
Vorkath
Pre nerf Zulrah
Rev caves
meager flame
once you hit that point you'll eventually realize it doesn't even matter like
everything could be 10gp tomorrow and it wouldn't change how you're playing the game
but for everyone that hasn't gotten there yet it seems like the biggest deal in the world
hard axle
2b 5 years ago is worth 10b today btw
I was offered a rare name and I turned that shit down cuz they wanted to log in to transfer name
Like, no? Lmao
meager flame
i do think people undervalue the gp ladder game in a way though
long before osrs i had a lot of fun upgrading to the next rare or colored hat and theres a lot of replayability in playing the game like that
sort of like prestige in cod
minor whale
I think most items should probably have a relative GE sink rate
meager flame
i kinda think that the current era of osrs is sort of missing those items
like i know theres 3rd age
but for whatever reason it doesn't really hit the same
but for what it was it was actually cool because i'd basically sell my entire bank for this useless cosmetic item
and have to rebuild
until i did it again
part of why it doesn't feel the same is just that their source isn't the same so like
3rd age pick is worth a lot but you can't really expect it to just ride inflation forever
and i think its kinda low key protected atm by the ge not supporting trades that are large enough
hard axle
i kinda think that the current era of osrs is sort of missing those items
If you based it solely on actual functional items, RS basically had no inflation for these functional items, which is pretty cool.
meager flame
i fear for the 3rd age holders banks when they fix the ge
hard axle
tbow has always been around 1.2-1.5
Scythe shot up due to 5 consecutive content releases good with it
Shadow just shadow crashing lmao
meager flame
i think they'll save the shadow soon
like they saved tbow/scythe when they went to the ground
hard axle
B5b shadow releases?
minor whale
I think we'll get mage cape inferno soon along with Shadow rework
meager flame
nah i mean ge deleting more of them until its looking better
that update saved the tbow/scythe
hard axle
honestly, I don’t think it’ll ever recover recover because toa is just too fucking easy 
minor whale
And I feel like Shadow will see a general buff to content you mage and a general nerf to content that wasn't intended to be maged and all will be right in the world
meager flame
iirc scythe was under 500 at one point
hard axle
it’s easier for scythe to recover because there’s less of it in game
minor whale
Scythe was near 300m
minor whale
I had a friend buy 5 and sell at 500m and then they announced they were gonna make Scy bosses and it went back to 1.2b overnight
hard axle
tbow too although idr exactly how far it dropped
685m but that was due to no ge tax at the time
meager flame
i think if jagex knows whats good for them
hard axle
Tbow got double buffed by ge tax since more content was worth grinding
meager flame
they wont allow megas to go under 1b often without doing something
hard axle
And the bow itself was nuked periodically
meager flame
those items uphold their most interesting content in a way
they pretty much have to save them forever
lol its a bit of a trap but i think they can live with it
because their raids in general are super popular and super replayable so you don't really want any of them to actually go away if you're jagex
so you can't let the one big item that makes sure people come do the content be worthless
i wonder when they consciously realized that megarares are forever when designing them though
they probably didn't with the tbow
hard axle
In general, the value of raids (and all content in general) should be protected. We’ve seen what happens in MMOs that dont care and just let content die out
obsidian venture
make it gated behind bis gear, ferno cape etc
If only 🥱
Delve is endgame IF you decide to push past 6 which we know most won’t
Accessible with demonbane
hard axle
Delve is endgame IF you decide to push past 6 which we know most won’t
Idk why they put pet so high up and not uniques lol
obsidian venture
They’re really scared of having good endgame content that you need to progress too
hard axle
Bro, I’ve gotten 12 tradeable uniques and 11 were from wave 7 and below.
obsidian venture
Always looking at Billybobs
mild saddle
wave 2 is crazy
wave 4 also crazy
idk how those became reasonable ways to grind this
hasty shard
i dont think theres even any new mechanics at 2
minor whale
I dunno if I'd say they're reasonable ways to grind it
Unless normal gauntlet is a reasonable way to grind for crystal shit
hasty shard
new arena! ahh!
humble cargo
Itd maybe be weird but i wouldnt mind a new mode where skilling things unlock in...
that seems like something i'd enjoy. I guess my problem with the gamemode is that implementation isn't thought through properly, not with the gamemode itself
frail bough
Ye
shadow wave
they probably didn't with the tbow
Tbow has the same drop rate as Maul and Kodai, so no they definitely did not
hard axle
wave 4 also crazy
I know I’m crazy lucky to have gotten as many uniques in so few delves, and no Ayak, but I feel like 8+ might be bugged honestly
icy relic
Bro, I’ve gotten 12 tradeable uniques and 11 were from wave 7 and below.
Insanely insanely spooned
hard axle
Insanely insanely spooned
we accept the money
not at all mad about having to reset the melee only task to accept the boots
stuck mauve
icy relic
stuck mauve
narrow folio
@fringe cedar lets not make jokes about killing others
narrow folio
Not apparent to others and not appropriate to joke about
hard axle
cowards
tacit wharf
forgot to add in-game
obsidian venture
Not apparent to others and not appropriate to joke about
For sure but this games isn’t aimed toward pbs for kids 😭. Still get the delete tho
Context etc etc
final frigate
surely just rng
assuming you set it up correctly
you'd have to do thousands of tasks to outdo bad rng
dire mango
If you've set up your task list to just break even or profit just a little in the long run you will have frequent streaks where you're losing points as well simply because of variance. It's why ppl recommend you get a buffer of slayer points before you start.
ionic tartan
What does your "view list" show in the task tab for Krystilla?
For example, do some of the good tasks like nechs (or dusties) have a lock sign next to it?
small anvil
What's good konar blocks rat
I'm trying out maz boosting
I know it's just block highest weight when skipping
hard axle
What's good konar blocks rat
konar? im assuming you want hydra, yes
small anvil
Well for boosting it's just avoid the most painful tasks time wise, would def do hydra though
Locations makes it harder to just go by weight
Necks in not multi would suck
hard axle
kalphite, metals, drakes, wyrms, black demons and then whatever 2 you really dont like
small anvil
Ok thanks
I think I will point boost to 1k as a goal
Then go tskip for hydras or do duradel with skip
Almost all the slayer pets are available to me beside smoke and rax
hard axle
I think I will point boost to 1k as a goal
turael 49x, konar 1x
small anvil
1K task streak, but that's a lot
Apparently maz is better points
Than t
Since update
Or you can go t, m on 10s, k on 50
With blocks maz tasks look similar to turael
But actually give points
Longer task lengths though
hard axle
bronze kernel
turael 49x, konar 1x
Turael boosting is dead. Mazchna is our new best friend
bronze kernel
Mazchna gives 6 points per task now
Sure his tasks take a little bit longer
But a full 10 in a row is 84 points
chrome lantern
I would rather Turael boost because I'm not going to waste time and effort making a block list at Maz when the entire goal is to make block lists to Turael skip
bronze kernel
Why not both?
chrome lantern
Well for one thing
You can't Wildy Turael Skip to build points if you don't use Turael
small anvil
You can do 10s on maz for almost no extra time as a middle ground if you don't wanna set up a full maz block list
But yes you can't do wildy tskip and keep task streak
hard axle
Why not both?
do u have a machna block list?
I have a lot of spare points to fuck around with
chrome lantern
I still need 1 vw piece sp almost definitely just going to wildy tskip and ignore maz forever as always
small anvil
Ya I mean point boosting is kinda just not necessary anyway?
Can always just tskip everything
chrome lantern
I netted a huge negative on slayer pts from the update
So I need to get those back but I will from just wildy tskip
small anvil
Sounds like a good plan
The per master blocks def cost more short term
But it'll be nice long term
Also by doing this I'll feel less bad spending 1k on a slayer helm lol
thick beacon
I still need 1 vw piece sp almost definitely just going to wildy tskip and ignor...
is that worth u think for grinding now? am curious
for singles not multi
thick beacon
for multi it seems worth easily
thick beacon
like multi varaint bosses u need like 3x less tasks and get keep boost/get same slay xp
ye i cant stand mutli variants cuz of that
bronze kernel
Spamming Mazchna now might be a solid play if you want some fast points to say pay for a new block if you want to re-optimize your block list
stuck mauve
real?
bronze kernel
10 in a row Mazchna tasks is 84 points with the recent changes
glass temple
Hi what update tomorrow i know it will be excitingly good like mr kippling
minor whale
Free pet reclaim coming tomorrow
sacred oracle
and perhaps finally the longawaited update where we can fight our pets
warm storm
and perhaps finally the longawaited update where we can fight our pets
aren't there laws against that
minor whale
I think the law would turn a blind eye to you fistfighting a pet demon
vivid ruin
Can't wait to farm evs 255 times
Nintendo and their lawyers are ready to make a move 
heavy ledge
I’d play a Pokémon clone based on OSRS pets lol
final frigate
gl killing my full def corp
lilac anchor
gl killing my full def corp
Zuk be like:
round lintel
I still think doom boulder attack should have a cooldown, aint no way is intended to have boulders every attack
Lvl 9 and he sent 6 double boulders in a row thats criminal
vale acorn
When is the sailing dropping ? Im waiting to get back in the game when it drops
ember token
autumn 2025
brave hearth
so before the year ends basically
meager flame
I still think doom boulder attack should have a cooldown, aint no way is intende...
I dont think it can
I think there is a short delay but
I did have something really questionable happen to me the other day and idk how it happened
Basically going into orb phase theres some variation in the timing of the boulders you do during or just before popping the orb
I somehow managed to get the boss to boulder me mid orb while I was already doing the orb with other boulders
And idk what I did but it was insane lol
Somehow got the boss to basically boulder > start stomping > boulder+stomps
Never seen it before or since
median wing
what update today
brave hearth
my guess would be small things like the free pet reclaim
median wing
what is free pet reclaim?
brave hearth
if your die with a pet out, it runs away and you have to pay 1m gp to get it back. they're planning on making that free
median wing
oh
brave hearth
that's just a guess that it's coming today
median wing
so do I get refunded my probita tokens?
brave hearth
idk how that works. I have some from pet dupes so we'll see
would be funny if pet dupe = 1m gp
brave hearth
damm i'm good
dim gust
brave hearth
time to bring them everywhere
frozen lion
So whats the point of hitting pet roll 2nd time? Literally nothing?
minor whale
Same as hitting any other roll that's an untradeable dupe with no alternate use
Nothing
Pets are always tertiary drops
finite tapir
good update blog
minor whale
They don't take away loot
brave hearth
no more reclaim tokens
finite tapir
good to see they're sticking by the word of not nerfing the gm tasks though
frozen lion
Id rather pets finally not vanish when using fairy rings....
finite tapir
press the whistle
weary stag
Am I reading the blog wrong or have brutal blue key rates been at the worse rate this whole time?
I'm nearly 5k kc deep on these mfers >.>
frozen lion
I had 50+, worthless now
brave hearth
i mean, you'll never have to use them anymore so why sad
timber drift
another week another no fix for irons buying planks off their mains at razmire shop 
brave hearth
you basically are getting unlimited token
finite tapir
Depending on content its hassle
median wing
because if everyone is super then no one is
minor whale
You'll be getting a refund on purchased pet tokens
frozen lion
The things is not everyone could afford it, bringing pets to wildy was being uncommon
brave hearth
mostly nobody was risking their pets until now
minor whale
If the token is from a dupe pet then yeah no use
brave hearth
token or not
frozen lion
Cuz they poor
minor whale
We've somehow found the 3 people in the world that aren't pleased with infinite pet reclaims lmao
timber drift
im not pleased because why cant they just persist through death at this point like why even have reclaims
finite tapir
might probably overlap with pet cats
minor whale
Pet system is based on cat system
They have to disappear on death or it breaks cat interactions
timber drift
ok then fix that
minor whale
"Simply fix this thing that I have no idea the complexity of" is not really a viable critique
median wing
numbering ships is very dope
timber drift
yes it is
if you can say its not an easy fix i can say its an easy fix we both don't know lol
goes both ways
timber drift
heyy glad i caught your attention fix razmire shop pls
brave hearth
timber drift
i mean yeah good to know but the argument stands
timber drift
if you can say its not an easy fix i can say its an easy fix we both don't know ...
this one specifically
winter hearth
'tis true!
winter hearth
heyy glad i caught your attention fix razmire shop pls
I'm certain we have a ticket for this, might just need bumping again
timber drift
yeah because i told rice like 2 years ago
winter hearth
It might have just been missed, we did a pass on some similar shops a while ago and maybe this one just slipped through
timber drift
yeah i noticed that, hence me bringing it up again more lately lmao
finite tapir
i don't know what actual pet code looks like but i originally thought each pet's stuff was handled via separate triggers
timber drift
well if you could bump it that's great im on a personal crusade to get that fixed <3
good for the people who already profited of a year+ of 2ehp but its so silly
ofcourse we can always bring back deirons
😈
finite tapir
i presume these are triggers for special cases for pet anims since there's not a full list of these though
strong relic
Main problem for me and pets is that quite a few places pets aren't allowed and it's just annoying? Not sure if that could be looked into.
winter hearth
I think there's a valid reason for that, but agree it'd nice to re-evaluate and see if we can make changes
timber drift
pets can't go underwater! (except if you happen to get it there)
flat delta
minor whale
this one specifically
I mean
It's pretty solid logic to think that if a fix that just flat works better would be easy, they'd probably be doing that one
velvet rain
hey anyone know if this will be a quick update?
velvet rain
cool thanks
hollow shuttle
is the back end system hassle in this update related to detecting bots better if it was broken 👀 i spent last evening reporting them
ps. ban gargoyle bots i reported i need g mauls to rise back to 700k ea 
frozen lion
Is fixing pet disappearing on fairy ring tp also not easy to fix?
winter hearth
You only need 90 and a pie tbf, then you can kill one Hydra off-task
oh they deleted their message and now I look unhinged
analog crow
You only need 90 and a pie tbf, then you can kill one Hydra off-task
ty for tip!
I realized it was the wrong chat 😛
finite tapir
it's ok we appreciate you
winter hearth
ty for tip!
np! should be able to kill one of the regulars off-task to tick off the diary though
Alternatively, just get 95 Slayer!
analog crow
Oh it doesn't have to be the alchemical one
winter hearth
nah
analog crow
this changes everything!
winter hearth
I could be misremembering tbf but I think that's what I did on my last iron to get the full ash sanctifier and stop banking abby demon ashes
analog crow
Speaking of diaries... any news about echo kq? 
winter hearth
Nope!
analog crow
sad times
meager flame
im sorta curious so if pet reclaims are free
why do we lose them if we die
or is it just so people can continue seeing the animation for someone losing it
winter hearth
Other dependencies and general spaghetti-related reasoning
meager flame
ahh i see
bronze condor
how long is update gonna be
User Baford is absolutely losing it, hes already withdrawing
nocturne solstice
vague viper
Yeah should be same as usual
timber drift
I could be misremembering tbf but I think that's what I did on my last iron to g...
nah highest req is 93 for thermy which cant be boosted reg hydra kill is fine
analog crow
I miss the final dawn splash screen 😢
timber drift
i think there's a plugin that lets you select em
toxic trench
would be great if all the dupe pets would still follow u, like walking with a train dupe's so everybody can see how duped you got :p
winter hearth
I miss the final dawn splash screen 😢
if you're a RuneLite user then you can just put it back
analog crow
if you're a RuneLite user then you can just put it back
btw do you know the name of the track that played on that one?
timber drift
me and my freight train of chompy chicks
winter hearth
btw do you know the name of the track that played on that one?
Not off-hand, sorry beast
shut wadi
Hi jagex, it says to update my app but there is no update available in the app store
analog crow
Not off-hand, sorry beast
nw king, ty anyway 🙂
winged mantle
any chance we can have our dupe pets in the poh? I wanna see an army of butch pets swarming in there
vague viper
Hi jagex, it says to update my app but there is no update available in the app s...
When you open the app, what client number is it saying?
It'll be in the small text along the bottom of the screen on the login screen
shut wadi
timber drift
have you tried updating the app