game-update

[chrome lantern]

I voted no

Only things I voted Yes on were Haddock, Bluefin, and Marlin

[tiny epoch]

yeah its extreme strong but theres not content in the game atm where its broken

like a bandos brew would be very obviously broken at verzik or nex

raids 4 tbow lastboss that u need to need to brew on we will see how broken arma brews are

u just get to bring arma brews instead of range pots to inferno & mokha for a free extra food for free

[slender vapor]

Better than skills rotting away forever

One thing I really liked about rs3 was how much shit you actually unlock

It made me look at how barren osrs is

"What do I unlock for the next 20 levels?"

Nothing

Or basically nothing

[shadow wave]

Obviously there's always a healthy middle ground to find but it feels like RS3 at times you unlock shit just to unlock

If there's no meaning in the method you unlock was there any point to actually implementing it?

[slender vapor]

Herblore as a skill is improved by useful stuff coming from it

The only real issue is bloating with shit potions that shouldn't exist, and overloads which require 32 items

[tiny epoch]

actual terraria crafting tree to make those pots what the helly

[shadow wave]

Look at this monster https://runescape.wiki/w/Blessed_flask

[tiny epoch]

565 prayer in 1 invent slot

i keep clicking through components & there keeps being more components

[shadow wave]

RS3 multiplies prayer by 10, so that's 56.5 OSRS prayer points

And that's per dose

So a full blessed flask is 4520 Prayer points in one slot

[gusty belfry]

this honestly gives me an interesting idea i wonder how difficult it would be to make that...

a crafting tree that goes granular like Terraria crafting trees but for RS items.

I could communicate on the Wiki api to make it universal.

For the item you are viewing:
Grab the source/creation data
Do the same for items its linked to till you either have smth straight up being gathering via a gathering skill or its monster drop source

https://www.reddit.com/r/Terraria/comments/1l870vr/i_made_this_updated_guide_about_tinkerers/

smth like this

[tiny epoch]

hoping that upgradescape doesnt get to that point 😩

[gusty belfry]

me neither, but i mean like... look at this flask lol

it wouldnt be an OSRS wiki feature (for now) but a RS3 wiki feature

biggest crafting trees in osrs i can think off would be rancor/conflictions

cause, if you are granular:
Zulrah/Shop/Colluseum etc etc. -> Uncut Onyx
Uncut Onyx -> Onyx
Onyx + Zenyte Shard -> Uncut Zenyte
Uncut Zenyte -> Zenyte
Goldore -> Goldbar (alternative source drop/shop)
Fleece -> Ball of wool (alternative source drop/shop)
Goldbar + Zenyte -> Unstrung Zenyte amulet
Unstrung Zenyte amulet + Ball of wool -> Zenyte Amulet
Zenyte Amulet + Cosmic + 20 Soul rune + 20 Blood -> Torture
Araxxor -> Araxyte fang
Torture + Araxyte fang -> Rancour

hmmmmm

i seam to have trouble interacting with the api XD

[jovial sentinel]

Yeah, but its not 'that' good. Not like you want to be using it with brews, and mostly saves a single inventory slot if you do. Just lets you avoid the short walk to bank occasionally during slayer.
Its like the 10k slot heal. Way more of a pain to get than the niche value they bring

[analog crow]

Blessed restore flask when

Raids 4 megarare?

[slender vapor]

Nah that's the rs3 toolbelt

[shadow wave]

I did see a suggestion for flasks as a Raids 4 reward

[true talon]

https://wiseoldman.net/competitions/101485

[kind sail]

stop

[hard axle]

Look man, better than Moxi

[kind sail]

wait what

what are you even saying

what are we doing gang

[hard axle]

If we had to pick, rather an afk pet than another moxi-tier pet

[kind sail]

[vocal pine]

I lost my dang raccoon because of mobile lag. Desperately waiting for poll 85 changes to go through, but still nothing...

[true talon]

prob wont be for few months

we still got part 2 coming for sweep up

[fair comet]

Where are the poll numbers listed at?

like 82/83/84/85

I remember we waited forever for the castle wars changes

[sacred skiff]

Same lol my fox and dom are in limbo cuz I'm not gonna pay 1m to get them if it's gonna be free in like a month or two

[fair comet]

I would be willing to do it for science since they said they’ll even do refunds somehow

[sacred skiff]

I think they said they'd refund reclaim tokens you bought

Not sure if that includes ones you bought and used

[vocal pine]

Yeah, that's just insurance 🙁

[fair comet]

oh =[

[chrome lantern]

I don’t think herblore actually has any big gaps though

[hard axle]

It doesn’t

We have a ton of potions in game

[chrome lantern]

Biggest “gap” is like brews to antivenoms

And if you say “oh that’s just making enough for pool on iron, those aren’t actually useful until 94 for extended+” then the gap is still only until supercombats

(Reg antivenoms are obscenely useless though)

[sacred skiff]

Reg antivenoms in your bank

are a sign that you misclicked while making +'s lol

[hasty shard]

arent they a sherlock step

[round lintel]

What about extended super antifire. They are not thaaat great and is 98 herblore to make em

[true talon]

i hit so bad he spawned plums before 75% shield on wave 9 🙁

[sacred skiff]

plums?? there's nothing in that fight that looks like a plum lmao

I'm pretty stoked about delve rn though, as of last night I'm finally (reasonably) comfortable with double boulders timing and am up to w11 pb

Which is n2b for no tbow/zcb

I just wish I didn't have to do waves 1-5 first, they are a snooze

And bad rates on them too

[true talon]

the earthen tree things, i was watching a pecanbread video an he called them plumes lol

[sacred skiff]

Oh they do look like plumes, yes lol

[true talon]

the orb is kinda bs, its not wide enough, it doesnt clear poison enough and trying to set it up while doing double boulder is absolute insanity

i tried setting it up to path over me while i flicked

and it L moved around a rock

[sacred skiff]

I haven't seen it path around a rock since the early days of delve, honestly

[hard axle]

Bad placement on your part ngl

[sacred skiff]

I've seen it go directly over, like with the rock in the center

[hard axle]

It’s actually braindead simple

[true talon]

Bitch ass orb

[sacred skiff]

Ah well you can see from that image

That you are not in the orb

I recommend being in the orb in the future, to protect from slams

[true talon]

i was in it and it moved

[hard axle]

Either proc orb after 3 autos, auto > double boulder, or on 2nd double boulder on b2b

[sacred skiff]

Although if it kille you with a 13, that fat grub was gonna kill you when it got in

[true talon]

also it puts your attack on cooldown which is kind of annoying

[hard axle]

It also has a 1t safety net meaning he was out of the orb for 2t

[true talon]

this seems to rarely work. ive tried spawning the orb right before the slam and it spawns an instantly take damage

[hard axle]

I just choose the far as fuck volatile earth and after 3 flicks, proc the orb, and then 3 flicks

Then run to orb

[hard axle]

It is giga lenient

Do you ctrl walk?

I don’t but it supposedly makes it even easier

[true talon]

problem with ctrl walk is if you didnt manage to get a straight path the orb will move at run speed

[sacred skiff]

Oh does the orb run when it's going diagonally?

[true talon]

yea or when it L moves

[sacred skiff]

ooh

[hard axle]

Not sure, cuz I’ve done non-straight lines and never had the issue

But they weren’t hard turns

like 3-4 tiles diagonal at most and then straight lines

guess I’ll try it tonight

[true talon]

Maybe i bring a blowpipe to proc the orb

because tbow goes on attack cd

and then orb dont spawn very quick

[sacred skiff]

could scobow the orb

[minor whale]

Scobow is the play for orb yeah

I always use it to proc

[true talon]

ya maybe after car i just throw on scobo

tbow letting me down lol

ive farmed 7k tears into my wand since i got it and not seen another glowy hole lol

been over 500 delves

[hard axle]

Damn good thing it’s 1/40 1-9

and not just low level delves

[ember token]

how could jagex devalue chromium ingots like this by making them accessible from fishing... wtf

not even a fishing level req.... you can just afk fish for chromium ingots??!?!

[shadow wave]

Sadly it doesn't give a collection log slot otherwise varlamore extreme chunk accounts were about to get very funny

[ember token]

no wonder they're only 40k each....

[shadow wave]

Actually, does gem bag onyx give the log slot? Do we know?

[true talon]

ive been doing 1-10/11 whenever i end up dying lol

we dont even check loot, we just left click decend

[hard axle]

1-10/11 should be 1/38 and 1/36

[round lintel]

I mean 1/500k is pretty wild hahaha not everyone is doing stranglewood fishing

Reason is devalued is because you can make them, they are annoyingly common when you hit the table and bots

[true talon]

Think i started pushing past 7 after 1512

[ember token]

no it's definitely because of stranglewood fishing

[round lintel]

Sorry man, you know what worked for me? Using random worlds

I have the supersticion (however its spelled out) that some worlds have different rngs for me

[knotty herald]

that's insane i got one today

[ember token]

see thats proof the fishing spot is pumping them into the game

[sacred skiff]

Absolutely reckless by jagex ngl

[true talon]

ingots should just be deleted since you craft them now

would actually add more value to them since they cost like 900k to make

[small anvil]

Wait, that's the hidden drop? Haha

[true talon]

we go into wave 11 with 68 hp an dream?

got the clear, didnt get the loot 🙁

i get to 11/12 with just hardfood and 5 p pots. ancient god sword is the goat

[hasty shard]

pretty sure it doesnt run it just looks like it does

because you move visually faster on diagonals

so does the orb

[chrome lantern]

Even if you call them useless (they’re not), there’s still not really a gap because divine supercombat at 97 is insanely good

[true talon]

extended super anti is really good if we ever get another fire breathing dragon boss

[round lintel]

I didnt say useless

[true talon]

they been fixated on demons for some reason

[round lintel]

I said they arent really that great compared to extended antivenoms for example

[true talon]

they both do the samething

6 mins immunity to that effect

extended super anti at like rune dragons or vorkath is so good

[hard axle]

It’s largely optional since you can pray mage and regular antifire with shield

Like Tass said, I don’t think they’re looking to push it down because we just haven’t gotten that many dragonfire bosses in osrs history

Last one was vorkath

Demons have been an insane focus for the past 3-4 years

[tacit wharf]

qbd when

[round lintel]

I did Sire after years yesterday

[true talon]

Wish we had delve skip lol

[round lintel]

I find it Ok now

[true talon]

id love to skip to wave 5+

[round lintel]

the skip token now seems like a good idea?

[true talon]

yea

[tacit wharf]

ya can basically do sire now with 0 supplies

[round lintel]

Can they rework KQ?

[true talon]

im more likely to die on wave 3/4 due to slow ass projectiles than wave 8 lol

[round lintel]

tru i kept dying to early waves cuz of that

[quiet plank]

Am I going to need a fairly high sailing level to reach rosewood trees?

[sacred skiff]

Unknown

[tacit wharf]

depends on which island it is on

[fair comet]

Can they? Sure they can

[round lintel]

119kc for my bucket

almost 4x

[frail bough]

got mine at 307 🙃

[round lintel]

Holyyy

[true talon]

shame, the bucket is insane QOL

[round lintel]

yeah got to 15m xp

[cloud rain]

you ironman?

[round lintel]

ye

[tawny tide]

I was fighting Dag Kings and these guys are at my house fixing the dishwasher and killed our power

Brilliant x log

Meant to a send this in iron chat my b lol

[shadow wave]

Now all of China knows you died at DKs

[timid karma]

And now its august, also very curious. Any update since then I've missed?

[frail bough]

Last update was within the last monthish with them trying new renderer things #1390317319820939305 message

[minor whale]

They launched the new renderer beta and they mentioned something about the API somewhere on Reddit as "coming along" I think

Personally I'd be pushing the API part way harder than SD/HD modes

[tacit wharf]

ya rather the resources go to api than to hd

[frail bough]

I'd agree but also hd before sailing would be very ideal

[vivid ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/voilier-sailing-boat-funny-fall-gif-15720694

HD sailing be like

[mint pasture]

They should add Botany Bay and make it a skilling area

[quiet plank]

yeah but to use the HD your gonna be forced into a shitty client

[frail bough]

its not really that shitty tbh

but yeah, from a business perspective, saying "we have official HD on our official client", when they release sailing, is a good way to get people to try it

they are aware that alot of people who want hd are using runelite plugin or hdos client

and i mostly say that hd before sailing would be ideal because its also more realistic given the fact we have basically zero updates on official plugin hub

[sacred oracle]

the problem with hd client is who is going to actually use it

if you release it before plugin hub, i don't know a single person who would use the official client just to get hd

not even one

the only people you'd get are mobile users

[meager flame]

I will when they have the plugin hub

[sacred oracle]

no amount of hd is worth losing plugins

so it's a dead product imo until plugin hub, which is why the order of release is puzzling to me

[meager flame]

Theyre going to do both so its a useless thought experiment

Hd is one of the plugins basically so they can announce runelite is done

[sacred oracle]

not at the same time tho

[ember token]

you think they should delay HD so they can release official plugins first?

[sacred oracle]

we're getting hd client first, and so it'll presumably be months with a client almost no one will be willing to use, but will look pretty

[sacred oracle]

delay? no, but i would have done plugin hub for sure before the other

it's like releasing a car with no wheels

what am i gonna do with an hd client that has no plugins

i cannot play on that

[meager flame]

Someone has to beta test it

[frail bough]

it has plugins that cover probably over 70% of user base

[sacred oracle]

what plugins?

[frail bough]

if you aren't a plugin "abuser" its perfectly usable

[sacred oracle]

i think perhaps we are talking about different things

[meager flame]

Theyre probably different teams anyways

[frail bough]

we arent

[meager flame]

I doubt the hd guys are the plugin hub architects

Maybe some overlap but idk

[frail bough]

but also sailing uses renderer things so

[meager flame]

But yeah idk the ultimate answer here about who will use it

Probably everyone eventually

No way they keep making sure both clients work indefinitely

[frail bough]

yeah its one of those things where something has to come first

[sacred oracle]

i would play official client with plugin hub and no hd mode, but i don't see the purpose of official client with hd mode and no plugin hub

we'll get both eventually though

just puzzling to me

[ember token]

pretty sure HD is something they've been working on for much longer

[frail bough]

I think it's less puzzling if you look at it from their perspective - they just wnat to get updates out for it.

It will all get worked on and released eventually, holding things back just because is silly.

who knows maybe wednesday they will say "official plugin hub is ready to test"

[sacred oracle]

perhaps

it'll just make me sad having this new hd client that i'll really want to use but will be unable to

but hey maybe plugin hub comes out pretty soon after

[frail bough]

🤞

[true talon]

sidewalk baited and still got not enough rocks due to the acid bug.....

think im do 1-8 or 1-9 and leave lol

Where drops???

[round lintel]

we've been infested by bots, but lately there are bots everywhere

remember when they wouldnt bother making high lvl bots

now ive seen trio tob bots

tick perfect at tob

[minor whale]

70% of the userbase covered but no bank tags or inventory setups or bank value plugins or ge price tracking plugins...
That definitely doesn't cover 70% lmao

[round lintel]

I sneaked in their raid to watch it

[minor whale]

I've used official to test out how "playable" it is
It's just not efficient for basically any training, bossing, etc

Like once you're doing the content it's ok at best

But getting ready to do any content it's abysmal lmao

It's the one major reason I don't use mobile more often

[hard axle]

From what I could see, it's like 2017 RuneLite with the most basic of basic plugins

People often don't realize how much plugins they actually use until they lose it, but the moment you go beyond QOL and go for any efficiency, their plugins are lacking severely.

congrats, they have some MES and tile markers, but it only scratches maybe 10% of the functionality

I'll test it again, but I don't recall if they even added dead npc hider or dead npc menu hider yet

[minor whale]

Yep
No custom MES isn't what I'd call plugin abuse

[hard axle]

Literally one of the most frustrating shits that RL solved was dead npcs eating up clicks.

[minor whale]

Yup
Especially frustrating at Delve with it off

I tested the beta renderer there

[hard axle]

And maybe it's "70% of playerbase" never reaching content that actually benefit from it

[minor whale]

Other than shadows just not showing up at all making it impossible to play lmao

It was so obnoxious that grubs stacking just made you keep clicking dead grubs

[hard axle]

but if you tell me I'll start misclicking purple crab and have to right click shit at GWD again, I will flip the table

And no, I'm not setting Starlight to walk here

the fact Zily doesn't left-click prio over Starlight at times is fucking wild

And if some redditor says "base MES on official client is good" and plugin abuse, what the really mean is that it's good enough for bankstand skilling

[true talon]

custom swaps, npc highlights and radius markers are insanely powerful

couldnt imagine doing doom without menu swaps

[hard axle]

hey dude, u ready to have to right click the grubs over shield phase?

[true talon]

clicking those fucking grubs over the boss

[hard axle]

you ready to right click each one?

[true talon]

fuck no

im letting them in an claiming on wave 7

[hard axle]

and hope its the one you didn't left click before

[true talon]

im already tilted by melee grubs

[hard axle]

ie. 2 ranged grubs stacked on each other

[true talon]

and why the grubs live after the boss turns into a car

[hard axle]

that's what it was day 1

[true talon]

like i guess i need to run to my bait spot an ignore the grubs

[hard axle]

like, I'm not kidding when I say things being clickable after they die is just shit fucking design and reddit as a whole agreed with this shit

[true talon]

if i fail to get to bait then the sidewalk is fucked an the acid prevented any rocks

[hard axle]

or when their hitboxes reaches valhalla

after they die

@minor whale https://x.com/Shepboird7/status/1955002986897478127

ShepBoiRD (@Shepboird7)

PSA: Don't be silly (this is not a bug and this is 100% on me)

Have a better day than me

X · Aug 11, 2025, 8:26 PM

another reason why CMS is goated and can act as another layer of safety (on top of loot drop warnings)

[sacred oracle]

i actually really need to set custom menu swaps for the grubs, but my problem isn't clicking on the boss, it's clicking on stacked grubs with the right weapon

i'm not sure what set of swaps will fix that

[true talon]

how did he take off his scythe lol

or did he just shift drop it an kick boss

oh hes trying to shift teleport with book

lmao

[hard axle]

nope

that's not why

https://i.imgur.com/rlHR6Gi.png

[true talon]

oh the plugin lol

[hard axle]

he likely misclicked the book

and then tapped shift

or was trying to teleport

and left clicked it to wield

[minor whale]

Why does he not have high value dropping disabled wtf

Every single time someone does that I want to say deserved

Because dude it's as easy as not getting skull tricked

There's a setting to stop that shit from happening!

[hard axle]

Because it is deserved

turn the damn thing on

put it to 2m

and it'll block 99% of valuable shit

[true talon]

Damn cal says 75% chance to have treads by my kc, guess we go again.

[tiny epoch]

its even dumber than getting skulltricked

[hard axle]

total delve kc is irrelevant and i have a feeling ur not doing it right

could do 2000 1-3 and then be "on-rate"

[tiny epoch]

maybe u forget to turn skull protection back on after going pking

[true talon]

https://doom-calc.netlify.app/

[tiny epoch]

but why would u ever turn off drop protection

[sacred oracle]

i do wish the boss had some kind of traditional kc

number of delves doesn't really have the same meaning it does as a traditional kc counter for a traditional boss

[hard axle]

1.39x drop rate basically

[minor whale]

I don't think delves past delve 8 should be a whole new "deep delve" kc tbh

[sacred oracle]

even deep delves doesn't really capture the same idea

[minor whale]

Let the drops happen as though they are above delve 8, but it's weird each delve past counts as a whole delve

[sacred oracle]

i'd rather some sort of tracker that counts the end of a run at any point you claim and leave

[minor whale]

It lets kc counts get super inflated super fast

[sacred oracle]

it makes more sense to me

[minor whale]

I dunno I think you just need to "complete" a delve 8 clear and it count as 1 kc

[true talon]

we drastically need a unlockable skip

[minor whale]

Leaving before then is sort of like leaving before killing Sol at Colosseum

[true talon]

i cba doing wave 1-3 100000 more times

[hard axle]

[sacred oracle]

like, there really isn't a way to convert these numbers into expected drops to see if you're dry/wet/nearing a kc goal

[hard axle]

I'm 90% sure I said this during the blog, but the drop rates are balanced with 1-3 in mind

If it wasn't, you could have to make the drop rates worse

[minor whale]

I do think the skip waves would have been nice, but it also would have lead to massively increased amount of stuff already

[true talon]

shit is so boring

[minor whale]

Yep

[true talon]

if i could start at 6 or something or even 4

[hard axle]

You would need to make the tokens hyper rare

[minor whale]

Up until wave 5 I'm just zzzzz

[hard axle]

like yama contracts

cuz 1-3 is either as slow as 4 minutes

or as fast as 1.5

and longer for scobow

[minor whale]

Yeah rng fucks you sometimes on early delves

I had a 2 minute delve 2 today

I was losing my mind

[sacred oracle]

if you went to delve 10 before leaving, would that count as 3 deep delves, or 1 deep delve?

[minor whale]

3

Delve 8, 9, 10

It's a weird system for sure

[sacred oracle]

i really don't like it

i'm okay with only deep delves counting for kc, but i just feel like too much information is missing

i'd rather it tracked number of completions for each delve level

oh wait, can you see that on the board?

[austere mulch]

Idts but this should’ve been how tracking was done

Current way is… less than ideal lol

[round lintel]

people hated the idea and the scrapped it so nothing we could do

I didnt

[austere mulch]

Can’t accurately track your stats for drops without a lot of additional player side effort

[round lintel]

But I guess they were expecting a harder fight from the get go

[hard axle]

bro

pet hunters hate this fluctuating untrackable shit

ever since they started adding contribution based bosses, it's been so annoying

because you've basically had to find alterantive fair ways to track how dry you are

nihil shards for nex

[true talon]

it was because they wanted it to be tradeable skips. however if it was an unlock say get to like delve 12 an now you can start at wave 3 or something, it woulda been fine.

even at current difficulty 8+ would be a good milestone for that type of unlock

like less than 30% of people who get 7 go to 8 lol

and 30% even less go past 8

[hard axle]

make it uniques only 8/9+ and you'll see a lot more people willing to go for it

people don't try if you don't make it a requirement

[sacred oracle]

okay the data are there if you go all the way to the stats board outside the boss room

it's just not in clog

that's okay

i'm just glad the info is accessible somewhere, i thought it was just gone

[true talon]

Its a small population who actually goes past 7

[austere mulch]

I put like 10 mins of thought into trying to get an estimate by going

(Total delves - deep) / 7 = entries

( Deep / entries ) + 7 = avg depth

But that shit is so far off bc most of my delves are 15-20 after I figured it out and so many of my total are from burgering s8 on release 💀

Maybe if you have a massive sample size, it can be kinda close

[sacred oracle]

takes a little math, but you can now find the totally useless information of how dry you are for pet if you want to

[true talon]

that website i linked is good

if you input all the data

also have a spreadsheet

[austere mulch]

Oh nice

[sacred oracle]

oh that site is neat

wait i thought tass was talking to me but that's impossible

oh damn it collapses all of level 8+ together

i guess that's not too bad since all the rates are the same

past 8

though it would still be nice to see how many times you'd cleared those individually if you have

[minor whale]

What a uniquely useless graph too tbh
Especially the "total completed", because it's adding up waves that already were added due to completing the waves before them

Like you got 917 completions, but 137 delve 4 completions is also including 137 delve 1, 2, and 3 completions

It's like saying on a 1 mile trip you actually travelled 900 miles per hour because you went 60mph, and 59, and 58...

[true talon]

man the acid rock bug is like mad annoying

if i dont stall an bait 2 rocks for sidewalk tech i wont have any rocks close to me lol

[hard axle]

because there's no motivation to go beyond 7 if you can get everything 2-7

[pearl tangle]

Not sure where to post this but hopping worlds has been horrible this past update cycle

[hard axle]

it's like how there were only 2 toa 500 completions until they added fang kit

[hard axle]

DUDE, it keeps kicking me off

and i relog right back in

[pearl tangle]

Yeah I’m in the wildy

Imagine me

[hard axle]

im hopping at kree

login screen = risk a 70

[hasty shard]

the two minute run back:

[final frigate]

Damn when did they add the kit

Sounds wild

High invo raid rates were also worse right

[shadow wave]

Compared to how much longer the raid took IIRC

[shadow wave]

ToA 24th Aug 2022, Fang Kit 8th September 2022

[mossy pecan]

does this new giant gem crab thing have a pet? 😄

[still sundial]

nope

[winged mantle]

can the jmods revist how much of a failure this was now?

just feels like iron punishment

[true talon]

getting these in your dossier is now like the worst possible roll lol

[winged mantle]

it should have just been a rare drop from a dossier as a 1 time repeatable unlock per one

awakened orbs but way way way worse

[true talon]

new sweep up idea.
awakener orb revamp to be 1 time unlock or loot system similar to bryo were you can do the bosses, but wont get loot unless you got a key.
Contract rework to do the same as above (we have pizza already but thats still ironman punishment and doesnt cover the oathplate contracts)
Delve skip to 3 or 6 (3 is when you get acid and 6 is when the floor changes) skipping 1 and 2 or 1-5 doesnt have a huge impact on delving deep.

while farming the treads having to do 1-3 and being bored out my mind till i get to 8 (since the loots so bad, i dont got anything to excite me to keep going) its very difficult to grind the boss esp with no glowy holes for 800 delves now.

[winged mantle]

🔥

[true talon]

Only reason a delve skip failed during intial proposal, is because they keep trying to make it a key and not just an unlock due to achivement.

no1 wants to have to pay a fee to skip past boring wave 1-3. but if you made it to like delve 12 or something an it unlocked the ability to skip past 1-3 or even starts you at wave 6 because 12 is 2x 6 meaning your already proficient in delving and the arena wipes itself on 6, so its basically a brand new fight (think of it like expert toa or CM)

the trade off is you give up unique roll chances from wave 2-5 which is pretty big

its kinda sad they didnt do more with delving and achivement unlocks to cause people to want to go deeper. like beat deleve 15 and unlock small QOL perks (better teleport to delve, deleve skips) currently its just a system in which you go do boring waves untill you get to the part you are good at like wave 8 +

and kc for the boss dont even show up till wave 8....

0 tick melee after i accidently hit the shield with my Ancient godsword and put me on attack delay an failed the beam XD

[pine acorn]

@uneven parrot Goodmorning Mod Ayiza

Will we be seeing this week Summer Sweep Up Slayer Changes and if so would the Mod team maybe consider that you can also store Wilderness Tasks with this update?

Kinda odd i cant do 2 rev tasks or 2 hil giants tasks for example, also will we see a lowering of the costs on slayer helms?

Thank you for your time

[jovial sentinel]

Lowering the cost of slayer helms? Since when are they expensive?

[pine acorn]

They gonna lower Task Storage and Superiors unlocks aswell, since when were these expensive? mind your business @jovial sentinel

[jovial sentinel]

This is a public chatroom.

Everything you post is up for discussion.

If you dont want that, you're the one thats being rude.

[pine acorn]

You're being sarcastic for no reason, its a normal question, if you wanna discuss it you can discuss but you be like oh are they expensive? ye ye we get it

[jovial sentinel]

Its not my fault you want to take something negatively for no reason. And now.. instead of replying and talking about it you're trying to start issues.

Crazy really.

[pine acorn]

Nobody care, i asked my question go attention seek somewhere else

[jovial sentinel]

And you edited it out as well? Weird.

Well, i actually didnt mind talking about it. Yourethe one being unnecessarily rude.

Maybe there was a problem with the cost i hadnt noticed.

[slender vapor]

Someone's hyper sensitive to critique

Fee fees took some emotional damage

[jovial sentinel]

Seeming more and more common these days. Anyone who says something that isnt agreeing with you and shit hits the fan

[obsidian venture]

Avg for osrs discord

But yeah it’s a cosmetic and so the points for it are fine imo

With the slayer rework, you’ll also be getting some points refunded anyway

[jovial sentinel]

As long as theres reason to spend them, other than crap masters

[true talon]

basically yep. i had someone @chat mod on me over disagreeing with them lol

[obsidian venture]

Delve skip failed because it would be more work on them to have separate boards for certain skips, and that allowing skips would devalue the content more. Now you also mentioned that reaching certain delves could merit some small stuff and that I do agree with and it could incentivize folks to push the content more

[sacred skiff]

Isn’t having to repeat waves 1-5 enough incentive to push s far as you can though? The rates on early waves are bad and they aren’t interesting

Not that I’d complain about the ability to skip even 1-3 though

[hasty shard]

the rates should probably be worse earlier on tbh

and/or move them up a tier

[sacred skiff]

They def should have been like 4/5/6 starting drops yeah

[hasty shard]

im mixed on 4/5/6 cause like i think 3/4/5 would be enough

[sacred skiff]

You can get treads before you even see 2 of the boss mechanics

[hasty shard]

but also treads starting 6+ is peak because of arena change

[true talon]

not really only wave 8 shows in high scores, 1-3 skip would do nothing to the current board, it would just show more deeper completes. your still giving up 2 unique rolls to skip.

everything that happens pre-6 doesnt matter, it introduces you to the mechanics, but the arena is cleared and the fight is changed.

1-5 is just a time waste for most players.

[obsidian venture]

It’d just skew it and Jagex is known to not update that type of stuff

Hence why expert for toa is perma capped at 300

[true talon]

well yea, because there be no reason to have seperate scores per invo lvls.

[obsidian venture]

If they allowed a broader system, then sure

[true talon]

300 is when expert starts

[obsidian venture]

Also where it ends according to them

[true talon]

6 is when HM doom starts

[obsidian venture]

Would be nice for separate high scores if anything

But it’s a weird claim angle system for now

[true talon]

only 66% of people go past lvl 6 and less than half of those go to 8 from 7

[dire mango]

assuming completions at the different levels are proportional to the people doing them is iffy

two people playing the same amount of time, one going 1-5 and the other doing 1-8, will result in many more 1-5 completions simply because while the 1-8 guy is doing 6, 7, and 8 the 1-5 guy will be on a new run.

[true talon]

sorry didnt mean people, meant most 66% of all runs at 6 go on to complete 7 (meaning they died or claimed at 6) and less than half of those go onto beat 8

https://wiseoldman.net/competitions/101485
also according to this, 16k wave 8+ kc was added by these bots since yesterday lol

[nocturne solstice]

I don't think your numbers are right. Only about 10% of clears go past wave 6 🤔

Where did you get 66% from?

[restive siren]

Probably meant to say 66% of people who do a 6 go beyond

Would be around that ballpark

[nocturne solstice]

Ah that makes sense then

[dire mango]

It's still not a good basis for saying where "hard mode" starts. There are steep drop-offs in terms of completions with every increasing floor (besides 1 to 2 perhaps). The room clears of acid yes, but the mechanics are barely different from 5.

[true talon]

rough guess that out of 3.1m completes of wave 6 go onto beat wave 7 and about 1m fail lol

so around a 33% failure rate

[dire mango]

failure rate and stopping rate is not the same. A large proportion of people doing the content just stops at a certain wave and resets.

[true talon]

you dont understand if 3m people go from wave 6 to 7 and only 2m show they completed that means 1m failed an died. you cant get a completetion if you die it dont check off the kcs on the board.

thats how i can tell ive died 5 times on wave 2 XD

[dire mango]

b0aty is farming 1-6 on his hcim because that's where he feels the risk is low enough to not risk dying to an accident. That does not mean he fails 7 nor that hard mode starts on 7.

[true talon]

Doom HM starts on 6 that is when the arena changes thats when he has his full array of mechanics that are nerfed down a bit. 7 is when your introduced to 1 tick orbs an then 8 is when the difficulty really ramps up.

[dire mango]

thats your definition

it's not the definition

[true talon]

its mine, but also backed by data. expert toa starts at 300, cm starts when you enable it and hm tob starts when you enable it.

[dire mango]

you have not backed it with any relevant data yet

[true talon]

if 6 wasnt the difficult spike then why does the arena wipe?

[dire mango]

if 5 wasn't the difficult spike why does he start driving around?

if 8 wasn't the difficult spike why does he start shooting two boulders at the same time?

[true talon]

5 is his last mechanic unlock before he transitions to wave 6 which adds the slam

6 is just 8 but sped up with a extra boulder

more dangerous car ect

[dire mango]

it's an arbitrary checkpoint you've chosen

just as i can choose any arbitrary mechanic change to be the "hard mode" checkpoint

[true talon]

i dont even know what your trying to argue lol

[dire mango]

i'm illustrating the flaw in your argument

by proposing equally silly statements

[true talon]

i made the point that 33% of people fail to clear 7 after 6 and you went off a tangent of how this isnt hardmode?

[dire mango]

ignoring that this claim itself is bad for the earlier mentioned reasons, this claim supports the claim "7 is where hard mode starts" more than 6 lol

as you're literally saying "7 is so hard 33% fail it, so 7 is where hard mode starts"

so is 7 harder hard mode? or is 6 not hard mode?

[true talon]

thats not what im saying at all

but you are running in circles, so ill leave it at that

[dire mango]

you're saying "7 is a lot harder than 6"

how does that support "hard mode starts at 6"?

[true talon]

i said 6 is hm start, because the arena changes an boss unlocks all its abilities

i never said 7 is harder than 6

[dire mango]

#game-update message do you just forget what you've said in the past after saying it?

[true talon]

you are still confused, might wanna stop before you hurt yourself lol

[dire mango]

You've used the bad example of "66% that do 6 clear 7" to say hard mode starts at 6 for some reason multiple times now

together with "acid clears on 6"

which part exacily do you think i'm confused on?

[true talon]

no i didnt, i said because the arena changes and the boss gains its full roster of abilities that 6 is the hard mode, you are still confused.

[dire mango]

So you just said it for no reason then? What was your point with the clearing%?

[austere mulch]

Arena changing is more helpful than anything bc it clears the acid from 1-5

[true talon]

you conflated the data i was talking about before as the justifcation to my statement that hard mode starts at 6

it wasnt used in that sense

[dire mango]

you said it straight after

[true talon]

yea which is why a delv skip to 6 wouldnt really matter in terms of pushing deeper.

just saves you a lot of time

[dire mango]

Skipping delves as a whole doesn't really make sense with how the content is designed. It's supposed to get harder as you go. If you just skipped to 8 because it's the most fun with the purpose of delving deep then what would be the difference from just doing a regular boss with no ramp-up mechanics?

[hard axle]

Like I said before, 1-5 is a time sink that the game balances drop rates around.

If you could skip directly to 8+, that’s effectively reducing the grind massively since you go from 8-9 hours a unique to like 2 hours lol

[dire mango]

Yeah, you need a major tradeoff for it to work. Either a monetary cost, or level 8 difficulty, but reduced rates until you have done a certain amount of them. It might've worked if the difficulty progression was much longer, but with only 8 levels it just doesn't.

[hard axle]

By skipping 1-5 and Tass never mentioning anything about adjusting drop rates or any tradeoff in general (typical), this just screams "buff this cuz I'm dry for treads"

[dire mango]

game balance for thee, but not for me

[slender vapor]

Fuckin' ironmen

[true talon]

i didnt discuss that, because the topic was just a delv skip obviously there would have to be trade offs. and part of that trade off is 4 unique roll chance rolls.

[dire mango]

If you skip to wave 6 for example, and you start from there with the rate for that wave, then you do not lose any rolls from having skipped 1-5. You simply start on a much better rate.

[true talon]

doesnt matter with rate, you lose attempts

losing 4 unique attempts is still a pretty bad.

[sacred skiff]

I mean, you do, because you can roll for uniques at 2, 3, 4, and 5

[small anvil]

People still trying to talk to tass as if he's rational in 2025

[sacred skiff]

They're lower rates, but they're still chances

[small anvil]

You're getting a better rate because every level you do has a roll

And it's a better roll

[sacred skiff]

I just wanna get to the fun part of the boss sooner :/

[true talon]

Dont matter these guys are gonna destory the market for uniques

[small anvil]

You're skipping chaff and you would have effectively 40% higher rate at boots

[sacred skiff]

But the grind must continue

[dire mango]

If i start on 6. and you start on wave 1. We both do 8 total waves (you end up on 8, i end up on 13) my run had a much better chance of a drop.

[sacred skiff]

Yeah obviously?

[true talon]

in 3days 255 of these guys already produced 65246 doom kills above lvl 8

[dire mango]

I did not lose anything by starting on a later wave, there was no trade off.

[sacred skiff]

Apart from someone being less likely go 6-13 than 1-8, yes

My supplies currently run out around 10-12 with baby iron gear

I know that skipping early waves is a buff

I'm just complaining that the early parts of the fight aren't fun, and I want to do the fun parts lol

[true talon]

Btw this guy is rank 43 doom

[sacred skiff]

I'm also not saying there necessarily should be a way to skip early waves

[dire mango]

I could go 6-8 and reset instead. Starting at 6. Skipping and claiming a trade off is "losing the 1-5 rolls" is disingenuous as you start on the better rate from the get go.

[small anvil]

The time spent on worse rolls goes away

Comparing 1-8 vs 6-8 is silly if you act like they take the same amount of time

[dire mango]

Yeah, and that time is instead spent on doing waves with much better rates.

[sacred skiff]

Yes you're right. You're "losing" shittier rolls to start at good rolls, it's not really a trade off

[hard axle]

That tradeoff of losing out 1-4 is fucking garbage lmao

it's the least drop rates and you know this

[small anvil]

It's wild that Tass is even trying to argue it's a trade off

[hard axle]

fucking stupid

[sacred skiff]

I do think that unlocking the ability to skip even 1-3 by hitting 12, 13, 14, 15 or whatever, might be fine

The early waves are just so boring.

[small anvil]

It's kinda central to their balancing of rates

[sacred skiff]

Which was exactly the concern people had with an enrage-style boss in the first place

[hard axle]

"dOeSnT mAtTeR" okay, we make teh drop rate obnoxious then

[true talon]

already is lol

[small anvil]

Drop rate is fine lol

[sacred skiff]

The rates are imbalanced from the start if someone who doesn't even see 2 of the boss' mechanics can get treads

[small anvil]

If anything it's too generous

[sacred skiff]

But I just wish there was a way to make the early fight more fun

[small anvil]

People finished bis in 2 days

[true talon]

ya there are plenty of irons i know that would stone you for saying this

[dire mango]

aren't the rates very generous given that how good the uniques are?

[small anvil]

End game content that is green logged in a couple days

[dire mango]

Are those irons going beyond lvl4?

[sacred skiff]

The rates are generous in that treads are the same rarity as the other two, yeah

[true talon]

ones that finished did 1-7 lol

[dire mango]

What is the expected time to get all 3 uniques for 1-7? or 1-8?

[hard axle]

only hypocritical irons are using eCoNoMy as a reason to delve skip when otherwise they don't give a shit about economy otherwise

[sacred skiff]

Speaking as someone who is still missing treads for the glog, they're probably too common for how good they are

[small anvil]

Like at least it's not oath

[sacred skiff]

They shouldn't be like 33/33/33 rarity

[dire mango]

Boaty mentioned 40hrs on stream a while ago for 1-6, but he might not have been serious at the time.

[shadow wave]

I mean they're 1/540 at best

[small anvil]

But people can green log this faster than yama no

Ok? Irons going dry big wow

[dire mango]

Outliers complaining is nothing new

[small anvil]

Delve time to green is like

[shadow wave]

Maybe Doom should have a 2 minute arbitrary pause between kills

[hard axle]

and?

statistically u spooned everything

[true talon]

Pet is also way to common

[hard axle]

does that mean we need to nerf it?

[sacred skiff]

It does, waves 1-4

except it's more like a 5-6 minute pause

[small anvil]

1400 waves ish for 1-7

For boots

That's like 25 hours

[dire mango]

wave 4 skip, but the tradeoff is a 4min run from the door to the boss on wave 4.

[hard axle]

taking one-off or few-off dry streaks is stupid. It's like saying 0.01% of people go 10x dry sop we should buff drop rate

[minor whale]

Delve in general is way too lax on rates

[small anvil]

That's quick lol

[shadow wave]

Actually maybe that's why modern drop rates are a problem, we can fight the boss again immediately. If they add arbitrary 2 minute pauses for respawns between kills again we can artificially slow down KPH and hence time to drop without making drop rates so obscenely high so that people can just go dry forever

[sharp tendon]

How about no

That's one reason why gwd sucks so much

[small anvil]

They also make it too accessible

Bots are farming lower waves

[true talon]

yea not a fan of 2 min respawns lol

[small anvil]

And getting drops

[sharp tendon]

Better to modify the drop rates instead

[true talon]

bots are ones doing all the 8+ atm actually lol

[small anvil]

Cite a source

You have a habit of just spouting whatever

[shadow wave]

I think I'd rather do 20KPH for a 1/500 drop than 60 KPH for a 1/1500

[small anvil]

So excuse me got not believing you

[true talon]

https://wiseoldman.net/competitions/101485

in 3 days these 255 bots have produced 65k doom 8+ kills

[dire mango]

not saying they're not bots, but who complied that list?

[true talon]

i dunno i just found it funny and they are bots, look them up

they are rank 43

This must be port khazards alt account

[austere mulch]

Some guy on Reddit who did a similar thing for other bosses. It was a data science project I think

[hard axle]

makes more sense they would do 1-7 tbh

[austere mulch]

But he checks their stats and other boss kcs

[hard axle]

cuz u dont end up on hiscores

[true talon]

ya thats smarter lol

[austere mulch]

In reference to which one is being “botted”

[true talon]

these ones are just out in the open

not giving a fuck

[austere mulch]

So there’s reasonable likelihood not all of them are; but some definitely seem like it

[true talon]

they are all producing pretty close to same kph as rank 1 guy

Looks like the lower ranking ones got banned

[hard axle]

im confused how you got 255 bots

I see actual players on here

????

ur making shit up again?

[austere mulch]

Someone should def make a lil calculator where you can enter your total number of each wave completed individually and have it spit out your expected drops

[true talon]

only 3 of the top 100 got banned so far

[tiny dew]

Has anyone considered its a genuinely fun boss so lots of real players are camping it causing items to flood into the game just as much

[true talon]

half this list is now banned, they were bots lol

[dire mango]

This is on the wiki already

[austere mulch]

Doesn’t that one just let you enter in like wave 15 over x number of attempts?

[true talon]

https://doom-calc.netlify.app/

[austere mulch]

Vs inputting like… 50 wave 6, 40 wave 7, 30 wave 8, etc

[hard axle]

so..

"trust me bro"

[austere mulch]

Neat, tyty

[dire mango]

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Calculator:Doom_of_Mokhaiotl_Completions_Calculator

Its hidden away as a link on the doom page

[true talon]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1y0niCO8pMMGKuOnGtBrJit-p0vQE_9nh7hFsA5nUPrM/edit?gid=12633213#gid=12633213
This one is a spreadsheet made by fcas

[austere mulch]

Nice I’m about 50% rate for pet nbnb

Ty

Ily

Also 24m in expected reg loot that I def binned 90% of it 🤣

[true talon]

i menu swapped my descend option moment they added glowy holes and i got 22k tears

Everytime i seen the loot i lost a mental fortitude point to keep going

[hard axle]

nah, clearly impossible and doesn't suit the agenda

[shadow wave]

There are a stunning number of arguments that are pretty close to "This boss is good so it should have worse drop rates"

[hard axle]

1-5 is boring, but I don't think they should removei t

[shadow wave]

"Fun" should never be a lever considered when designing drop rates

TTK for sure, but not engagement

[true talon]

its 1/2500 for a rop at wave 2 thats pretty bad

[hard axle]

and?

[true talon]

i dont think 2-3-4 rates should be buffed at all

i dont even think uniques should scale, they should only drop at 4+

then scale better

at 4+

[hard axle]

should be 8/8+

[true talon]

by scale i meant no 2/3 drops

[hard axle]

a 1/2500 chance for infernal cape for completing wave 23

[minor whale]

This boss also could have translated to a group boss so well

[hard axle]

it would've been hilarious in a group

POP THE TREE

AHH

:shockwave:

[minor whale]

Exactly

Everyone running around during car phase

Every hit splat proccing acid

[austere mulch]

Would car target by orb order or by party leader

[minor whale]

Target by HP
It goes towards the tile with the most hp on it

[hard axle]

everyone gets a car

but its a "ghost"

[austere mulch]

Verz tornadoes and “burn with me” post-car. If you get hit by car, you get the burn

Burn + nados + volatile earth goes crazy

[minor whale]

Zeah/Varlamore gonna go crazy now for leagues

[tiny dew]

Drop rates should just be what they are but the fun factor matters for how many items are coming into the game

Im also significantly less bothered by bots compared to the average so grain of salt

[shadow wave]

So fun content should be less rewarding than bad content?

[true talon]

haha banker note delving

see what the cap of delv lvl is

[tiny dew]

I never said that

[true talon]

honestly its a shame fun content is often not rewarding at all

[hard axle]

cuz its often the harder content and average players fomo so drop rates can't be good

[true talon]

i like doom a lot, but the basic loot and frustations with rng like lot of melee grubs keep it on the im never returning to this place lol

[shadow wave]

But if Fun is a factor in how many items are coming into the game, then if they want less items coming into the game but retain the fun they have to nerf the drop rate. So if two pieces of content gave the same drop in theory, but one was dogshit and one was amazing, the dogshit one can have a higher drop rate for the same item?

[true talon]

basically phosani

normal nightmare has better rates but the fight is miserable lol

[hasty shard]

idk why they dont just make normal nightmare not suck tbh 😭

[tiny dew]

They shouldnt balance around fun, im just saying if a boss is a fun more people are going to farm it which means more items in the game

[true talon]

ehh doesnt seem to be a problem. lots of content produces fun and uniques an their price is fine. its often when bots get into it due to its profitability does the uniques just nose dive in price.

[eternal vapor]

so uh

does runescape work in pakistan now?

[fair ice]

For the new player guide it also advises Skeletons have an elemental weakness against both Air and Earth... Surely its just the one?

[obsidian venture]

This tbh. Never met someone who’s so proud to be wrong most of the time. Could be a weird flex I guess 😅

[winter hearth]

made a note of this, silly oversight, gettin fixed

[quartz anchor]

Unless it got fixed already. I only see it once. Ghosts under air skeletons under earth

[winter hearth]

'twas fixed

[quartz anchor]

Y'all so quick

[tawny tide]

Can the slayer update be this quick 👀

[tacit wharf]

only if they dont give turael a blocklist

[winter hearth]

Coming soon!

[tacit wharf]

[obsidian venture]

Shoutout to who?

Turael

[tawny tide]

Couldn’t care less about this trash take because I use Aya.

[tawny tide]

Soon™️

[zealous charm]

This is awesome @delicate glen ! I think having in game overlays where you could press a learn more button on each topic would be the next evolution to this! #game-news message

[true talon]

Greetings from varlmore and a sad delver who wished his orb spawned 1 tick sooner (shoulda clicked with scobo instead of tbow)

[chrome lantern]

You do know you can eat food right

Clearly as you have your mouse on it

But there’s so much time

[hasty shard]

clicking with emberlight shouuuld be faster fwiw

[true talon]

i took 2 slams, i combo eat one while setting up the orb, it just spawned 2 ticks to late lol

if you hit it with a faster wep it spawns faster

[hard axle]

bring a brew to triple eat

[obsidian venture]

The original comment asked for skips at delve

Pertained to an earlier convo in here

[true talon]

i was out XD basically ready to claim once i did 6hp of damage lol

i might of done another 1 but i was low on prayer

[winged mantle]

It feels like nex in terms of rates/ rarity

[obsidian venture]

It most certainly isn’t close though

[winged mantle]

I've done near 2000 nex trios. It feels pretty similar to me

[inner zodiac]

When was the last time they talked about official HD?

[ember token]

idk probably like a month or so ago or however long ago they rolled out the new renderer

[fluid terrace]

I got a question idk where else to post, is there gonna be a leagues this year? And why isn’t leagues in gim instead of regular Ironman?

[frail bough]

no and great question - a lot of people assumed that during the release timeframe of gim that they were going to try it

[ember token]

No OSRS leagues this year, but RS3 is getting leagues this year

there's gonna be a DMM this winter though

[craggy wind]

AFK agility. You know you want to think about it.

[ember token]

i know i want to vote no to it

[jovial sentinel]

As long as its appropriately low rate, its only a good thing.

Or appropriately expensive (and still low)

[hard axle]

I can tell you that people will debate what is appropriately low and will make hypocritical arguments to take the highest rates possible because its suits their wants

But yes, I would want an afk or chill method

[jovial sentinel]

Oh, absolutely.

[hard axle]

And I'm 99 agility 3 times

[jovial sentinel]

%of max is a good start to the conversation

But its not a straight up decider

Yeah, its the most hated skill for a reason.

[hard axle]

"oh it's only 1/6 the rate of X method, so it's fine" and then also saying shit like "why are we even balancing around tick manipulation"

hypocrites

[jovial sentinel]

Lol yeah.

It needs to be balanced around normal methods mostly

[hard axle]

20-25% of "normal" methods seems fine

[jovial sentinel]

30% of best normal methods is likely good

Yeah

[hard axle]

of course, it also depends how afk it is

[jovial sentinel]

And sep isnt a normal method, id say thats more like pvm, its a skill method

[hard axle]

if it's 6 hour afk, it shouldn't be more than 5%

[jovial sentinel]

Absolutely

[hard axle]

or even 2%

[jovial sentinel]

If its 6 hour, it shouldn't exist.

I remember some rs3 dev streams that were decent on the topic, and are applicable. The devs seem to know their stuff, even if they do the absolute opposite of any good design they talked about

People seemed to agree mostly there that 30% is acceptable compared to active methods, on wc active vs wc afk

[median wing]

what is next update

[ember token]

doom changes and stuff from the last 2-3 polls (we got poll 85 recently while poll 83 and 84 still havent been fully implemented)

[median wing]

do we get slayer rebalance?

[fair comet]

Is there a list of this?

[median wing]

poll 84 is some slayer shortcuts?

[small anvil]

I think % of low effort is better than % of max

For what rate an afk should be

For agility I feel like 20-25k/hr is about the most I'd accept for afk

[tacit wharf]

goblin today said "Coming Soon!"

[fair comet]

nvm i found the list

[median wing]

I guess that means not tomorrow?

[small anvil]

I mean it could be tomorrow

[ember token]

also some summer sweep-up part 1 stuff they promised awhile ago

[small anvil]

What's left that hasn't come

[ember token]

from last month

they did a few of these last update

[median wing]

surely they will give me my 1000 free slayer points when I log in tomorrow

[ember token]

the slayer update is still a few weeks away

[median wing]

sajj

[true talon]

This prob last week of varl part 3 changes

then they roll out slayer update in next week/2 weeks

[minor whale]

They said slayer updates would be late August/Early September

So we're missing a couple weeks of updates

[round lintel]

Gotta be honest Tass as someone who got no dupes before 1500s doing 1-7 I understand why you are frustrated of not getting the drop you want. I had been dry for maany things on my iron (actually almost everything)

But in the end thats the game

I hate it, it sucks

But the unique rates are fine

Base loot is dogwater and that needs a better balance

If bots are doing the content and you are playing an iron idk how that affects you (Not saying is good bots are able to complete doom better than me) but I remember Jagex saying they didnt want doom to be the ultimate money making but more like a challange for HLC

I went back to doom on my iron just to get more tears and maybe another drop so I can toss it on my main and yeah I die more to wave 4 and 5 than 6 or 7

Specially because those waves feel slower than 6,7 or 8

If Skipping the waves would somehow be a thing id be inclined to start with rates like if you start on level one. But level 6 difficulty

Essentially level 6 skip no drop, etc.

[tough nacelle]

main issue now is bots are able to do this content like crazy since the reqs are so low

Im all for reasonable drop rates + difficult content

but you gotta raise the reqs to attempt said content

like it needs to be gated behind 80+ in a difficult skill

so when an account is banned its more of a hit

Yama (ignoring contracts) and delve bosses are amazing content

but the rampant botting on yama is crazy

and Im sure the delve boss wont be far behind

[hard axle]

yep, that's why I get annoyed when jagex won't raise the skilling requirement on quests

accessibility and engagement numbers be damned, but its pretty pathetic that the highest non-combat skill requirement is 75 firemaking after 10 years of OSRS and 20 years of runescape altogether💀

[tacit wharf]

insert some main melting down because they have to train a skill

[winged mantle]

Herblore

[small anvil]

So they use mixology bots to graduate into being pvm bots

[true talon]

i have 2600 kc with 2 drops, its not about the dupes but the actual loot lol. and idc about the economy but it does matter.

[small anvil]

You're just dry dude

You're an iron it comes with the territory

Trying to pretend you can comment on it being too rate just cuz you're dry is like

[tacit wharf]

ya like going 5x dry for a smouldering stone at cerb while otherwise being done at 1500

[small anvil]

So disingenuous

[hard axle]

If they have a meltdown about needing to skill, shove a rock cake up where it don’t shine.

[small anvil]

The delve hole

[tough nacelle]

Ikr

gimme an 80 herb req

for a big quest

or 80 slayer

the botting issue is brutal

its the only solution

[tacit wharf]

i mean i dont understand how they let some of them go for so long, like the rune ore bots or rc'ing ones

[small anvil]

Blood essence is so silly

Bots running old scripts

Just losing money

[tacit wharf]

typically seeing them with 20-40mil xp

[small anvil]

Bidding up the blood ess

[gritty briar]

I wish we could side delve, im not good enough to clear floor 8, but im okay with 7, would be fun to be able to repeat like people can with 8

[brisk belfry]

Hey, does anyone know how the nets will work for the sailing fishing they proposed? Really hoping it's not like drift net fishing by consuming a bunch of nets

[shadow wave]

We have no idea but given we're getting a whole new farming resource for it I'd put money on them being consumed

But as for if it's faster or slower than drift nets, we can't say

[brisk belfry]

I always thought drift net fishing would be cool to do, but it just isn't worth the time to farm jute, make nets, then try the activity

[viral gust]

Is slayer rework today?

[shadow wave]

Not as far as we know

[viral gust]

f

[dire mango]

coming late august or early september

[viral gust]

Yea I read the blog again

I want points and blocklist 🙂

[abstract cypress]

🙏 hope it’s the ban appeal update

[pine juniper]

or right now

jagex be random with it

[sturdy prawn]

they'll have worked pretty damn quick to get the slayer update out today lol

[steady saddle]

I hope this update is more substantial than the last few

[pliant ivy]

Prepare to be disappointed. If they say late August to early September the chances of a mid August release are slim. My guess is it'll be minor tweaks and possibly Doom CAs

[obtuse sluice]

https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/a-poh-recode--more-fixes?oldschool=1

[oblique stratus]

Sad to hear that still no Portal Nexus additions but I'm glad that things are being worked on regarding PoHs Soon

Also Hopefully this means that they're exposing more server data into the client so we can dev better PoH related plugins (like better Shortest Path integration with PoHs)

[jovial sentinel]

nexus additions were planned?

[cursive sphinx]

Or GIM's being able to share a house without the teammate being online 😮

[gleaming pine]

"Clicking out of Mr Mordaut's chat no longer tricks him into setting the same puzzle repeatedly."

Time to riot

[true talon]

Did they really do an entire blog to tell us we changed nothing this week XD and explained last week changes.

no fix for rocks not spawning on acid tiles, leading to no rocks during car

or acid destroying pre-placed rocks

[knotty herald]

Added a new category to the 'Report Abuse' menu: 'PvP Cheating'. This may be used when you suspect someone of cheating in PvP, including through the use of macroing software.

Wonder what else counts

[jovial sentinel]

anything thats against ToS regarding pvp i suppose

[bronze kernel]

Time to start a new Falador Massacre

[shadow wave]

I would presume things like Wilderness Radar

[bronze kernel]

This is removal of emergent gameplay or whatever they like to call it.

[weary stag]

So um are we ever getting the poll 84 shortcuts or nah?

I see they added the proudspire step and didn't even tell anyone lol

[slender wharf]

Whyyy??? Please revert this jagex!!

[shadow wave]

Well if PoH update was this week it probably took up assloads of QA time

And everything needs to be QAd before going in game, which is probably why stuff like the shortcuts has been delayed

[weary stag]

Yeah if nothing is hugely different in that too, it must mean they have cooked with it and gave themselves wayyy more options for working on it futhet

[pseudo mirage]

how long is update today?

[fossil epoch]

When jagex just hates us 🙁

"Clicking out of Mr Mordaut's chat no longer tricks him into setting the same puzzle repeatedly."

[winged mantle]

why would they do this

[fossil epoch]

sad times

What do you mean i cant just answer "shark" 3 times in a row and get my tome of experience

[winged mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/qa-developer-software-development-test-gif-27432169

[ancient ember]

We no longer have downtime unless it's a major release, so you can always expect the game update to launch at 11:30am BST for regular game updates 😊

[bronze kernel]

Next week

https://twitter.com/JagexGoblin/status/1955571419137622318

Mod Goblin (@JagexGoblin)

@FergusChelsea @OldSchoolRS They should be dropping next week as far as I'm aware

X · Aug 13, 2025, 10:05 AM

[worthy hedge]

Will the PoH recode also improve loading times of PoH?

[bronze kernel]

Theyalready fixed that

Everything loads consistently regardless of size

[nocturne solstice]

Yeah they already improved loading times previously, the blog states "Ideally, you won't notice a thing" so

[worthy hedge]

It can always be faster 😁 it's good size no longer affects it, but having it be instant/1 tick would be lovely. Perhaps that's now possible

[quaint shadow]

yea every game got like 18 bots to 6 players ratio lol

[worthy hedge]

Free top 6 🙂

[grand geyser]

"'So why take the risk?' we hear you ask. Well, the old PoH code was ancient, creaky, and held together by developer prayers and duct tape."

Dude, sounds like the code i put on prod in multi bilion dollar company

[cobalt spear]

My last git commit was "improved things somewhat"

[grand geyser]

works on hopes and prayers

[fathom fulcrum]

I really hope this poh rewrite fixes the bug mobile users have, they can’t enter thru the advertising board if poh owner has a space in their rsn. It will say privacy mode or offline…
ancient creaky spaghetti code for sure😅

[grand geyser]

imagine picking up this Jira task marked as "refractor" and looking into git history of it, from 19 years ago

[brittle ore]

Just wanted to pop in and say I really appreciate that work has been done on the poh backend! These updates aren't as flashy, but clearing up that tech debt has so much value. There are so many cool additions and improvements that seem to have been impossible due to poh code being especially spaghetti and so it's huge to see it cleaned up a bit. I love the whole idea of the poh and if this means that some of the annoyances can be ironed out and some new features/ways to decorate can be added it's really cool

[grand geyser]

i was 8yo that time

[cobalt spear]

+1 totally

Git was only made in 2005 so probably it'd be a svn import

[grand geyser]

im too young, i heard about zip files though

[cobalt spear]

code_sorta_works.zip

[drifting valley]

Please fix renderer for mobile...crashes still a thing

[nocturne solstice]

Just a note here for people that like to discuss updates. Starting this week I'll be posting the changelog from each patch notes in the new changelog channel here https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1405134750821388479

So hope that helps for peeps that just wanna zip through the changes and not read the entire blog or open a website

[cobalt spear]

As someone who's been gone for about 3 years that's super helpful to have

[half flame]

poh code rewrite
durial321 ptsd

[timid goblet]

I wonder what new features the poh rewrite will allow

[crude merlin]

Slayer update when

[knotty herald]

you're next, pheasant random

[oblique stratus]

Thank you. I hate when the website bugs out for me and just white screens

Already found a bug lol
Visual bug when storing and taking out items from PoH Treasure Chest: https://streamable.com/lqn0vg

[lavish rivet]

every time i fix a furnace or a coathanger it disconnects me for a brief moment

with mahogany homes

[fierce crest]

I wonder if it's a feature now that the so far permanent fishing spot for karambwans disappeared:

[ancient ember]

Planned for late August/early September, but not set in stone yet 🙂

[fierce crest]

Can't even upload pic.. north from DKP

[final frigate]

any idea when the toa unique scaling additions might come out?

[ancient ember]

Will raise it with the team, thank you!

[chrome lantern]

Is there any actual reason that stuff like this gets changed? Why are we removing ways that people interact with and optimize the experience using quirky features of the code? This feels like along the lines removing tick manipulation to me

[oblique stratus]

Seeing odd behavior. It might be linked with anything with a skirt tbh. Uploading another video now.

[chrome lantern]

Like who asked for this to be “fixed” is what I’m wondering I guess

And why did it get “fixed”

[shadow wave]

Holy fuck, removing this is not "along the lines of removing tick manipulation"

[steady saddle]

New update causes you to disconnect for 1 second when repairing 1 click stuff like sink, range and cape rack in mahogany homes

[torn portal]

This happens every update. The fishing spot will eventually "break" and become stuck in the one spot

[shadow wave]

Nuance is dead in a ditch and you're pissing on it's corpse

[graceful bolt]

so with the new poh recode does that mean it's possible for a "true gim house" ? or are we all still gonna have to level or be online to use a decent one lol

[chrome lantern]

It’s the same premise

[knotty herald]

Freaky Forester about to start counting raw pheasant tails over this

[fierce crest]

ty, it respawned!

[chrome lantern]

Taking advantage of a nuance in the code to your advantage

[chrome lantern]

shhh they’ll do that too

[white narwhal]

Commendable catch in the quiz reset lol

[earnest marsh]

isnt it always in same spot?

[oblique stratus]

Well shit I can't share the new video Anyways, the issue extends to not only plateskirts as shown in the previous video or mentioned in my in-game report. It also happens with other items too. So far I've had it happen with armor sets with a certain trim on it and a variation of plateskirt/legs.

[analog crow]

saw some people claim the plank costs for furniture is bugged, but I wasn't able to replicate it myself

[lavish rivet]

mahogany homes got bugged

[steady saddle]

you get disconnected during mahogany homes when repairing 1 click object

[lavish rivet]

every time i repair a furnace, cloak hanger, clock it lags and sort of disconnects for a second

[lavish rivet]

yea

[tender wharf]

Can confirm, I tested it thanks to Lotte and every time I one-tick repair it DCs for 1-2 ticks.

[deep willow]

having same issue with mahog homes

[tender wharf]

105k from 99 con as well 😭

[deep willow]

power through the lag soldier 🫡

[tender wharf]

Hey I just repaired a clock and it didn't do it.

[chrome lantern]

https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1405141248926285874
Anyway

[tender wharf]

Noella north of the Ardy market. I wonder if that's just a clock that works or if they've already hotfixed it.

[lavish rivet]

theyre investigating it

[deep willow]

chad devs pushing fixes straight in prod 💪

[tender wharf]

I one-tick fixed Leela's sink just fine.

Maybe it has already been hotfixed 😅

[still sundial]

fixing this random event bug makes about as much sense as fixing the karambwan fishing spot never moving

[chrome lantern]

Thank you

People looking at me like I’m crazy for bringing it up

[fathom fulcrum]

Saddd, update didn’t fix this bug really thought it would finally 😭

[ancient ember]

this should now be fixed!

[fathom fulcrum]

[winged mantle]

like how they tried to remove the nail beast sounds but the community wanted it in

[chrome lantern]

https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1405141248926285874

If you’re interested in a thumbs up

[still sundial]

already did 😛

[chrome lantern]

Oh thanks

My app wasn’t letting me look at who did for some reason

[brittle ore]

If it matters, I do think the change to the random event is good I get people like their quirky cheese, and don't begrudge people who would rather it stay, but random events are already so minor and opt outable that my preference would be for them to just work as expected. I was also happy when the maze random event was updated to no longer allow you to get max prize if you kept logging out iirc, and while this isn't nowhere near as mildly annoying as that was it's the same vibe to me

[woven girder]

Idk if this is the right channel for this kind of stuff or question but I was wondering since the official client via Jagex Launcher runs on a translation layer on MacOS: Are there currently any plans on providing a native Client for MacOS ? I couldnt find anything on the Runescape forums or Reddit or even here in the search.

I am aware you can run runelite via the Jagex Launcher but I think a native client could offer better performance in comparison to Runelite as well as a Client running on Rosetta 2 (Apples Translation layer for ARM)

[chrome lantern]

Quirks and features like this (and the community working within that to get the most out of it that they can) are core to the identity of this game. At a minimum, removing something like this should be polled, similar to the Clue scroll despawn timer.

[cobalt spear]

Osrs players get mad at the strangest things

The despawn timer was an intentional change, this is a bug fix

[brittle ore]

There are lots of quirks I like, and lots I don't. There's obviously a line between emergent gameplay neat tricks and cheating/actually breaking the game, even if they both fall under the umbrella of messing with the underlying system to do unexpected stuff. Obviously I don't think this was as far as actually cheating, but it was over my line of what I think is a cool interaction into mildly negative cheese. Everybody has a different line here.

I don't think it's worth a poll though, it's a super minor part of a random event most people ignore and was never intended. Clue scroll timer actually impacts people

[hazy zodiac]

people getting mad at their 30 second random event not having the same puzzle over and over 💀

[chrome lantern]

Do you think tick manipulation should be removed, then?

[bronze kernel]

It's worth trying to repeat the Falador Massacre

[chrome lantern]

Far more severe than this random event “exploit”

[brittle ore]

No because that's in my cool interaction group not my kind of annoying cheese group

I don't need to be cool with every exploit to be cool with tick manip?

[bronze kernel]

Just change the random event to be shorter

Just have it be a single question instead of 3

[brittle ore]

I think this is very much in the category of doesn't really matter lmao, but I thought I'd share my opinion as you asked if anybody actually wanted this. Most people comment when they dislike an update but not very often if they like it, so it can be hard to tell how people feel I think

[chrome lantern]

I think by that logic though, was anyone actually asking for this to be “fixed?”

[hazy zodiac]

tbh if this change upsets you, it's time to rethink your priorities lmao

[hasty shard]

idk people bitched and screamed about farmers moving less

this should be important enough

[chrome lantern]

I wouldn’t say upset as much as disappointed that an interesting way of interacting with the game world got removed needlessly and quietly

I’m still going to play

[brittle ore]

I assume that random little fixes like this are either things that got cleaned up by fixing other systems (eg maybe dialogue code got slightly improved and removed this, and manually readding a bug would be weird), or a small inconsequential update to test a new process or a new employee so that if it goes wrong it's nbd

[cobalt spear]

I don't want devs not fixing bugs because people think they're "interesting ways of interacting with a game world".

[brittle ore]

They just did a bunch of backend fixing with this update so my money would be on the code being slightly cleaned up, slightly cleaned up this random event

[cobalt spear]

Like, there's some things that have become established like tick manipulation, but they're the exception not the rule

[hasty shard]

this particular random (that actually benefitted the player) and none of the other far more broken ones

[chrome lantern]

I would argue the opposite