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meager flame
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a culture problem set by someone high enough up that we've never heard of them

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and considering how jagex was created thats not super surprising

rain fulcrum
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Also there's startups now that are entirely based around developing tools to cheat on interviews

true talon
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Blizzard had
Cosby suite which was (i wont explain it)
Cubicle crawling
Beastmilk theft
CEO threatening to kill employee
Executive causing employee to Self delete due to bring lube an buttplugs on business meetings

No place is clean from corruption or problems lol.

rain fulcrum
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🤦‍♂️

nocturne solstice
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lmao thats sad

earnest marsh
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xD

meager flame
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they were a very not professional setup from the start so they kinda have been learning on the job

earnest marsh
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that just seems like uk in a nutshell tho

meager flame
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oh yeah blizzard is the only competitor

true talon
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Riot had problems too

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Literally everywhere has problems.....

meager flame
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the breast milk stuff was probably the single craziest thing ever

hard axle
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UK has a lot more worker protections, so this stuff doesn't happen nearly as bad

rain fulcrum
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Anyone remember the riot games farts

hard axle
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American companies, like their people, are fattened up to the point they have diabetes erm

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(american here don't shoot me)

next root
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The “scroll box” is a case and the “scroll case” a box, thoughts?
Box - a rigid typically rectangular container
Case - an outer covering or housing

earnest marsh
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asia workers have way harder time with proection

nocturne solstice
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I have no thoughts on clues

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I get clues, I do them

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Simple as

meager flame
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i think the biggest difference is that a lot of the jagex stuff happened in game

hard axle
meager flame
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where blizzard were just some freaks at blizzcon and irl

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most of the time

earnest marsh
meager flame
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so theres like this degree of separation

true talon
meager flame
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im ngl i've always wondered if theres like

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some anticheat guy low key also running a massive bot farm

hard axle
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expect discord to go down this route soon

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anytime a company is publicly traded or majority debt financed or privately acquired by a investment firm, they'll try to monetize the fuck out of it erm

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50% loss in user is offset by 300% in gains for the rest

meager flame
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i am pretty sad at what will obviously happen to discord

hard axle
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back to teamspeak

meager flame
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like 2016 discord was peak

ember token
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theyve already been doing it to discord for years now

meager flame
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we'll probably just get that again as a replacement when it becomes unbearable

hard axle
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yep

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nitro rollbacks

nocturne solstice
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damn shame

hard axle
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netflix been doing the same garbage

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for years

nocturne solstice
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I no longer netflix and havent for a long time ancestralhmm

earnest marsh
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heey, im useing lemmy and another discord alternative program (which works great but misses some features vs discord)

nocturne solstice
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Im not gunna have 3 messenger apps on my computer man

meager flame
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it'll happen again

earnest marsh
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soon everyone in europa will use linux

meager flame
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went from aim/msn/skype/discord/?

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its mostly just a when thing

hard axle
meager flame
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kinda teamspeak was more in there with vent and the like

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as just voice chat apps mostly for gaming

hard axle
nocturne solstice
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inb4 Jagex make their own messenger peepognomeblush

meager flame
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irc chats should be included too

hard axle
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dude, it was banger time

earnest marsh
meager flame
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skype was eventually purchased by microsoft iirc

hard axle
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2010-2018 was just goated for gaming

rain fulcrum
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I hope the next discord app is not fucking electron

nocturne solstice
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Even earlier id say was pretty great for gaming

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start of the 2000s

earnest marsh
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and then they made teams for some reason

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money :L

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well atleast lemmy is not centrilized

nocturne solstice
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I dont know what Lemmy is, I thought it was that comedian that couldnt tell if steel was heavier than feathers.

hasty shard
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30x alching was unironically something polled

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lol, lmao even

meager flame
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i cant believe

nocturne solstice
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scary stuff

meager flame
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they haven't polled some nerfed version of the first high alch

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where you just clicked it and it would keep alching the stack of items

hasty shard
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im happy they havent 😭

meager flame
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instead of needing repeated inputs

earnest marsh
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but gonna take time, or even if people want to change

hasty shard
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boss alchs are apparently a problem so lets have an update that lets people alch 30x faster

meager flame
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like they could just change it to alch the next 5 or 10

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instead of every single alch and honestly

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that might even be a good update

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at least for real people

nocturne solstice
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id still vote no on that ancestralhmm

earnest marsh
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wait, blood runes with 93 agility is only 2m an hour iwth blood shard?

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bro, they nerf skilling so hard

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meanwhile toa spit out 15m an hour

meager flame
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skilling isn't real

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they play like it is but its not

earnest marsh
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ye its sad

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the only reason why i paly osrs, is the diversty

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i quit when i finished most progression in skilling on my other acc

nocturne solstice
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I dont think you can really compare an afk money maker to a raid frog

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Especially when you can go dry for hours and hours

earnest marsh
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hallowed seplchure is 1.8m an hour

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with 92 agility

nocturne solstice
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still? I thought it was super bad since the agility changes

earnest marsh
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well 82 is like 200k an hour so

nocturne solstice
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only 1.6m huh not that bad of a drop

meager flame
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ya the problem is that 1.8m/hr is peanuts now

earnest marsh
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yep

meager flame
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skilling numbers are trapped in 2007

nocturne solstice
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Skilling numbers are only huge at launch haha

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Mixology and oathplate shard gains was huge

nocturne solstice
rain fulcrum
earnest marsh
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ye sorry

nocturne solstice
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all g

rain fulcrum
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Baba is afk

meager flame
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i just dunno how they can justify it to themselves like

hasty shard
earnest marsh
meager flame
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i click less and play with more comfort in a ton of raiding content

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than i do 3t skilling

nocturne solstice
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i thought it would be even lower tbh

hasty shard
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you need to cope that clicking stams half as much is an actual buff for it to be an upgrade

meager flame
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its so easy to make skilling content thats relatively comparable like sepulchre effort wise

earnest marsh
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honestly i can make like 9m an hour in cox 3+12, and still a insanly chill afk raid

rain fulcrum
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Ring of endurance is core for blast furnace

meager flame
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but for some reason they just refuse to put rewards on skilling content like that

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they just wont do it

earnest marsh
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ye, almost no one does seplchure

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i guess thats why the ring is stil epxesnive

nocturne solstice
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I mean... its still best agi xp

earnest marsh
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well similar xp to arodunge rooftop if you loot

hasty shard
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best agility xp and 99% of people are looting grand coffin

hard axle
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specifically, forfeit breath

meager flame
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thats probably the best part about it though

hasty shard
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forfeit breath fucking what 😭 ???

hard axle
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post agility changes, it went as low as 7m

meager flame
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99 agility vs raid rewards which one goes further

earnest marsh
meager flame
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its obviously not tuned correctly

hard axle
hasty shard
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noobs i swear

hard axle
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it made it super easy

hard axle
wild jacinth
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Why don't the Obor and Bryo chests even have a chance at beginner clues..?

hard axle
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you hit 0 stamina = u instantly die

meager flame
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they hide behind skilling exp as if that is intrinsically valuable or worth it

hard axle
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you take damage = stamina drains 1:1

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your stamina also drains passively

nocturne solstice
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it is valuable though

hard axle
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that's why endurance was good for that task

meager flame
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and honestly its not as good as the rewards you get from pvm

nocturne solstice
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people pay mills to lvl skills faster

hard axle
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sip one stamina dose = 40 more stamina

earnest marsh
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i did my sceptre grind last week on my ironman, tons of bots that only loot coffins and sap, one guy was 98 sternght and 118 theving 😛

hasty shard
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its a single yama kill

rain fulcrum
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I would like to see a new tier of pickaxe/axe/whatever that's actually a notable upgrade from dragon

meager flame
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the best part about pvm though

hasty shard
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you arent strapped for invent space

rain fulcrum
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And drops from rarely from difficult content or whatever

meager flame
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is that they've successfully ignored how its also skilling content

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you get combat exp

hasty shard
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can also just click vile vigour

rain fulcrum
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But trying to get that to pass will be a nightmare because we can't advance skipping XP/hr past 2007 rates

hasty shard
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or yknow, click stam pot twice

earnest marsh
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yep, sadlife, skilling get any love? kekw, imagine

meager flame
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its just interesting how the double standards work

nocturne solstice
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Skills getting love has moreso been minigames lately

earnest marsh
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best i can do, is buffing some dead content untill its a bit less dead

nocturne solstice
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Mixology was definitely a nice money maker for a while

meager flame
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like araxxor can be huge slayer exp massive melee exp

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and it gets to drop good loot

hasty shard
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the horn change was just stupid because it wasnt even insanely useful

meager flame
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but if you tried to do that with skilling

hasty shard
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3t one click with a 4t delay like 😭 what content IS gonna reward this

meager flame
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they would move heaven and earth to stop it

hasty shard
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yama was probably the most fitting thing genuinely

hard axle
nocturne solstice
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Just do clues and you unlock them

hard axle
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triple eats are just a lot more comfy

nocturne solstice
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Also go kill mimic

earnest marsh
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the new fletching minigame is making fletching even more dead 😦

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asdlife

hard axle
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I gave a few people my invy layout and it helped

hasty shard
nocturne solstice
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Do more clues of that tier = unlock the max stack

ember token
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they were retroactively awarded to people who already met the requirements

hard axle
hasty shard
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i was new frog !!

ember token
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if you didnt get the clog slots, you havent met any of the clue milestones or killed the mimic

hasty shard
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it was the first one i did frog !!

nocturne solstice
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then you should have them unlocked

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go check your clog

chrome lantern
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It automatically applies them to you

earnest marsh
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like whats the point of the new fletching minigame? basically makes arrowshaft even cheaper for mains to buy on ge, and fletching is so insaly fast that staying there for over 30min is a bad idea

chrome lantern
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Yes but not if you already had the eligibility

ember token
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they didnt give them out retroactively as physical items

earnest marsh
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way more bots will make magic shortbow u i guess?

nocturne solstice
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I dont think "even cheaper" is a concern when they cost 1gp each on the GE

earnest marsh
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true

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xD

nocturne solstice
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Magic shortbow might turn into another alchable money maker

earnest marsh
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how does it cast 1gp? what

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how is it so cheap

nocturne solstice
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Uhhhh why not

earnest marsh
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ahh maple logs is profit, thats why

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all bots just make arrowshaft to magic shortbows

rain fulcrum
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Soon we will train every skill with minigames

hasty shard
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it does also make all wooden bows fletching xp

rain fulcrum
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And never due to the actual skill

hasty shard
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so uh
i guess msb will be worth slightly more

earnest marsh
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wait, stringing magic shortbow is negative profit

nocturne solstice
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sounds like a skill issue, already maxed fletching peepognomeblush

earnest marsh
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what

nocturne solstice
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fellas gotta hit the grind

nocturne solstice
rain fulcrum
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Old MTA is how all Skilling mini games should be

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before leagues players cried about it

nocturne solstice
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yeah im pretty sure everyone hated MTA and id even say most hate it now post buffs

hasty shard
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graveyard/enchant are non-issue rooms imo

rain fulcrum
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exactly

nocturne solstice
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Iunno, saying they should make content people hate doesnt really make sense

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From a dev or player perspective

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or any perspective

earnest marsh
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weird

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like people want midgame content, but we have like millions of midgame content alredy

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and almost zero late game content

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whats the point with another midgame cotnent update?

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powercreep items kekw

nocturne solstice
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Because the majority of players are midgame

rain fulcrum
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yeah but they have plenty of content

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they just dont do the content

nocturne solstice
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And you want them to get to endgame so you can make endgame content and more than 3% of the playerbase will do it

rain fulcrum
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they wont get to endgame

earnest marsh
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if they maek late game methods, they are more interested to do the skill and unlocking it

rain fulcrum
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no matter how much midgame slop u release

nocturne solstice
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Making minigames gives them a more fun way to get to endgame

rain fulcrum
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that is a false argument

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shitters will always be shitters

nocturne solstice
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Its not really false, its factually true

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If you hate all of them and see them as shitters then there's not much to convince you of anything is there?

earnest marsh
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some few years ago, the avrage active playerabse was like 1400 total right?

nocturne solstice
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doubt it was that low

hasty shard
earnest marsh
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yep! smithing atleast has runeplatebody unlcok at 99

nocturne solstice
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I wouldnt be surprised if it was lower since we've gotten so much more players

earnest marsh
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🙂

nocturne solstice
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Seems like the lowest was around 7k in 2013-2014

earnest marsh
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like gotr was mostly popular becuse its basically braindead afk method

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not becuse itw as midgame

hasty shard
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total level, not player count

rain fulcrum
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attempts to close mid-endgame gaps have never been successful in any game i play

nocturne solstice
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I wouldnt say that

rain fulcrum
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or result in the lazy players getitng to endgame then complaining about endgame content not letting them auto play it

nocturne solstice
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Gotr was popular because it was a lot less painful than regular rcing

earnest marsh
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yee

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i guess i meant that

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breaks, afk

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not running 99% of runecrafting

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like my favorite content in teh game is, sep, artefact, vm, and wildy i guess

nocturne solstice
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Id understand if minigames were like, miniraids that were super hand holdy sure

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but I would never compare gotr to like, colosseum or something

earnest marsh
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ye, a toddler can do gotr right almost

nocturne solstice
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I still wouldnt compare em

earnest marsh
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its just way easyer to learn sep then most pvm right

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like cols and inferno is just mostly learn stuff

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they are not hard mechanically

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meanwhile even if you learn sep, its still a bit challenge mechanically

nocturne solstice
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I consider lategame pvm to be a multitask simulator. Sepulchre is focusing on one aspect which is movement while other focus on keeping up dps, gear switches, movement, and prayer.

hasty shard
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i allmost feel like sepulchre needs another pass tbh

nocturne solstice
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and healing and buffs and whatever mechanic is happening in your content at the time.

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I dont think it needs another pass unless you mean more levels

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which I'd be happy for peepognomeblush

hasty shard
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miiinor things that are super annoying in it lol

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portals disappearing (visually) a tick earlier would be nice

chrome lantern
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The one thing I would change about sepulcher

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Is to make movement skipping consistent with the rest of the game

nocturne solstice
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What portals? The tele tiles?

chrome lantern
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i.e. let you run diagonals through arrows and not just side-to-side skips

hasty shard
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that statue hallway f4 that just has a rotation you cannot get through

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the tele tiles yes

nocturne solstice
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ye i agree with that

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I try not to depend on them or have a lot of leeway to use em

chrome lantern
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Wym cannot get through though, you can react

nocturne solstice
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pretty jank

hasty shard
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no like both statue sides go off at once

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you literally cant get through that 😭

chrome lantern
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You have like

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6 cycles to get through before that

earnest marsh
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i wouldnt mind some qol to seplchure

hasty shard
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consider we only got priv instances a few months ago

earnest marsh
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delete floor 1-3 from unlocks

chrome lantern
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Or re-polling amylase from sepulcher :)

rain fulcrum
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no need

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amelyase is dead content now mostly

hasty shard
chrome lantern
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2-3 yeah

hasty shard
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it'd be fine if it was a bit more obvious what cycle its on

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but its just a middle finger if you don't wait for it most of the time

earnest marsh
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pickpocketing elves is the most gp hour skillign content atm

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and unintersting asf

rain fulcrum
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most of the good money making skilling is thieving lol

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vyres, elves, rogues

earnest marsh
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yes

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wildy agility is up there

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which is botted to hell

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BH agility running with 400 bots

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basically made a clan to preotect the hive

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and make botfarm there

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they make around 5b a day

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on 200 bots?

rain fulcrum
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the wildy content rn is so unhealthy

hasty shard
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another thing for sepulchre is like how did we get a modern content release that makes a skill the same thing from 52-99

rain fulcrum
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vw is basically the only healty wildy content

hasty shard
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its kinda miserable when ehp is doing the same thing for 95% of the skill 😭

rain fulcrum
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dont u get nerw floors tho

small anvil
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isnt vw trending in a bad way

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where all the value is on spindel's piece?

hasty shard
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you still gotta run floor 1 at 99

rain fulcrum
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yes but at least its a unique

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and not item/gp dump[

earnest marsh
hasty shard
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vw is healthy but mann

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they gotta fix the bot issues lol

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theres a reason everything except the gem is worth nothing

rain fulcrum
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biggest mistake with vw

small anvil
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bots seem to be out of control in the past ~3 months or so

rain fulcrum
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ist he partys not being untradable

earnest marsh
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ye, bots been growing so much lately

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ready to sell jagex?

hasty shard
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brimhaven w/ diary cape was cool but they nerfed that to hell

rain fulcrum
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agility courses 🙂

hasty shard
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brain on things frog

rain fulcrum
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add silverhawk boots that consumes vials of blood

hasty shard
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true add silverhawks

earnest marsh
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ye idk why not just bring gold sink items to skilling

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i couldnt care for expensive ways to get level up faster

hasty shard
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i want to bring up soulflame horn nerf again for this

rain fulcrum
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pickaxe that gives +20% xp in exchange for liek 2m/hr of gold dump

hasty shard
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another thing of 'dread skilling get an upgrade'

hasty shard
earnest marsh
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or new upgraded dragon harpoon that cost 2-3m an hour but x2 xp

rain fulcrum
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crystal is so weak tho

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and its not actually a gold sink i think?

earnest marsh
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nope

rain fulcrum
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game rly needs gp sinks

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i wish sailing was a gp sink skill

earnest marsh
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same

hasty shard
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crystal is weak cause tick manip doesnt even need a dragon pick lol

earnest marsh
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i got to late game bosses on my ironman, and i have like 200m sitting around in my bank in coins

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and alchs

hasty shard
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mining gem rocks with addy pick, lol, lmao even

chrome lantern
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I mean

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If you tick manip it doesn't matter yeah

earnest marsh
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yes

rain fulcrum
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doesnt matter to me im not gonna tick manip

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too boomer to do it

earnest marsh
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but ye, lets just add midgame bosses, isntead of hard skilling content

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that intersting to alot of playerbase

rain fulcrum
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if we add more midgame bosses the midgamers will surely get to endgame

earnest marsh
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and helps with progresion in skiling and learning the game

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imagine xD

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i know some freinds just quit after moons

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i guss the midagme content was good then?

rain fulcrum
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maybe they quit because huey came out after moons

hard axle
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Hear me out, avernic halberd

rain fulcrum
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avernic hilt + nox?

hard axle
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Sure

rain fulcrum
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im down

hard axle
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But has Crystal halberd spec

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The nhally spec is ultra niche atm

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is it even good against araxxor

earnest marsh
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nope

rain fulcrum
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It's good for learners who didn't bring a sanfew to colo

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And picked mm2

hasty shard
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its literally just so pvpers have spec bar with it lol

earnest marsh
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and it has venom on it

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zzzz

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venon needs to get removed from pvp

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posion is fine

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maybe rather make some weapons have venom, instead of weapons that insane for normal attack

austere mulch
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Mid-early late game legit has so much variety at this point that you’ll easily max your combat before getting a reasonable amount of exposure to all of it

earnest marsh
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for ironmans ye

austere mulch
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Need more actual end game stuff that has an end game barrier to entry

earnest marsh
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well we getting dwelve boss in some few weeks

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then we getting basically none late game content

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rest of the year

austere mulch
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They’ve already backtracked on the placement of delve so I’m not particularly hopeful there

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I’m sure it’ll be fun tho

earnest marsh
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ye since its between kraken and shadow hmm

nocturne solstice
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We already got Yama this year so thats 2 endgame

earnest marsh
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easyer then toa

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cant go wrong xD

austere mulch
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Contracts are end game ye

nocturne solstice
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Specifically his contract fights CringeHarold

austere mulch
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Base Yama is early late more like

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Which is fine

earnest marsh
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and contracts are aids to do on ironman mains

nocturne solstice
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midgame vibes yeah

austere mulch
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They just should’ve said that and expectations would’ve been there

nocturne solstice
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wtf is an ironman main

rain fulcrum
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well his drops r not really fine for early late imo

earnest marsh
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well people who play ironman only or most part

austere mulch
hasty shard
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yama blunders more on being a duo encounter than an endgame one i feel

rain fulcrum
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jagex needs to release some damn non-solo content

nocturne solstice
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Raid 4 when peepognomeblush

earnest marsh
rain fulcrum
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gotr feels like solo content ngl

earnest marsh
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yep

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well you can do small groups

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its pretty nice

austere mulch
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Raid 4, the “tob style boss rush raid” where everything has high def and high def floors

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Can’t wait

small anvil
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You all do the same thing even in a small group

austere mulch
rain fulcrum
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like its genuinely annoying that u cant just do the mass strat on a normal world

earnest marsh
rain fulcrum
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so that its not laggy and weird

earnest marsh
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or roles

austere mulch
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Allowing def to drain to 0 is good bc it benefits high number of players and has a clear distinction from solo where you can’t

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Like if Yama didn’t have a def floor, scy would be bis for duos and ember for solos

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That’s gucci

earnest marsh
rain fulcrum
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yea but jagex is never going to release a 0def floor boss again

earnest marsh
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something only jagex would do

rain fulcrum
austere mulch
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Allowing def to drain to 0 has been the scare of the dev teams for the last 7 years

rain fulcrum
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its so depressing

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olm, maiden, and xarp are all great bosses, dfespite 0def-ability

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or even because of

earnest marsh
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ye, honestly olm would be a great group stand alone boss!

austere mulch
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Olm is dope too bc in solos, oath is bis since drain potential is limited and in teams, Torva or mixed is better bc you can drain more

hasty shard
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yama has more justification even with how often you get to proc dc

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so you can def spec + dps spec

earnest marsh
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akkha woyuld be great aswell

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yama was good for sure

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well maybe not

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idk i havent tryed yama yet

rain fulcrum
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jagex just needs to hire TM

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ngl

austere mulch
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Tob has one boss where you can’t drain def, one where def has a drain cap, and the rest where you can 0 def

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Which is literally like… perfect

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Because you actually have to think more about how you gear and what creates the most timesave across the raid

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Between accuracy and max hits

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Idk why they went away from that

small anvil
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I think they fear hammer specs cuz they're so strong

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So they try to limit them

austere mulch
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Yeah but the downfall to that is you lose identity across content that scales

small anvil
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They would totally nerf maul and hammer spec if they could do it over again I think

austere mulch
#

As in you end up with more people do the exact same thing

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(Toa)

rain fulcrum
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the floor alsod doesnt really have to be exaclty 0

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fi theyre uncomfy with 0 they coulde make it like 20-40

small anvil
#

I don't think it's any specific defense value that's problematic

rain fulcrum
#

also maybe controversial but i like that hammers can miss

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and i dont like their attempt to make horn make it the same everytime

small anvil
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I think horn costing spec is good

rain fulcrum
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probablyt different for WR runners

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but for moneys

small anvil
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I wish it made sense to horn scy

rain fulcrum
#

i wish we could horn claw...

chrome lantern
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Horn -> claw scratch problem solved

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(jk)

small anvil
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I feel like they fear scy too actually

austere mulch
#

also Maiden is a great example of how 0def boss causes you to approach gameplay differently bc your dps increases with it

small anvil
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They go higher def stuff because they don't want the gap with scy to be as large

hard axle
#

Yeah, and the best part of 0 def is that you can always prevent 0 def in solos or reduce its efficiency by resetting stats after a phase BSighPat

Defense caps need to be far from base defense, not tiny amounts.

hasty shard
#

i do think scythe kinda dominates melee a bit too much but w/e

austere mulch
#

In the sense that if you have too much dps between sets and aren’t prepared, you lose time overall

hasty shard
#

they let shadow just be defacto bis for mage

austere mulch
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So as a player/team, you have to coordinate when you burst

small anvil
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Like I guess that's a reason why 0 is bad but like 60 ? Is a better floor for a boss or smth

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But then they made oath

earnest marsh
#

mage is kinda to expesnive and no rason to use over bwofa ofr iron

austere mulch
#

0 def is fine if you have mechanics that force you as a team to check your dps

small anvil
#

New mage staff will be even ish with current gear

austere mulch
#

Like maiden crabs

hasty shard
#

i think ostoayak is bis for nightmare??

austere mulch
#

Amazing execution

small anvil
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Then it'll be out scaled by any new gear

hasty shard
#

it might be cool at whisp with gauntlets idk

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harm is just useless everywhere

rain fulcrum
#

it sounids awful in whisp enrage tho

small anvil
#

Shadow just has silly scaling

rain fulcrum
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to use

chrome lantern
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Surely they don't make Eye have the uber long projectile delay

hasty shard
#

it doesnt even have the niche of being second bis at places because ayak is coming to shove it off immediately

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it kinda feels like its getting an instant hit zap

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definitely seen feedback to have it that way over orb projectiles

rain fulcrum
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huge projectile delay to make it ass in nylo room or smth

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🙂

austere mulch
hasty shard
austere mulch
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Pls Jagex

hasty shard
#

enrage isnt terribly different with 5t but idk for 3t

rain fulcrum
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typically having 1 more tick is much worse than being 1 less tick

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err

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much better

hard axle
#

I’m wondering if it’s better to double spec whisperer with new wand

rain fulcrum
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e.g. imaging trying to swift verizk p2

hard axle
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Or 1:1 accursed:ayak

hasty shard
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better to zcb iirc

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oh wait with ayak

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accursed into ayak yeah

rain fulcrum
#

does shadow even miss on whsip

hasty shard
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not really

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.1 more dps if accursed lands

small anvil
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Accursed is mage lvl, eye is mage def right

hard axle
hasty shard
#

mage def also wont tick up naturally iirc

hard axle
hasty shard
#

so its kiind of cracked for akkha

small anvil
#

Likely both I would imagine

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But shadow is very accurate vs wisp anyway

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Only 10 mdef on wisp

hasty shard
#

i think spec can go negative idr

small anvil
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I thought it was a no on that

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If it can go negative you def would double ayak I think?

rain fulcrum
#

i thouhgt hypothesizing negsative was just copium

small anvil
#

Actually nah even with negative you'd accursed

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Accursed is way more important

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Oh wait no I Was looking at wrong formula

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Yeah if you could make mdef negatice you absolutely would

austere mulch
#

Yeah they said it won’t go negative

small anvil
#

Accursed is -15% to def roll, ayak is -13% if it hits 10+ on wisp

hasty shard
#

im not sure you'll get enough spec to acc+ayak every kill

#

you cant dc ghosts

small anvil
#

Rat will do alt methods anyway

hasty shard
#

cant alt wisp

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the run is a millenia

small anvil
#

Spec transfer outside? Ah

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Didn't realize ghosts didn't dc

hasty shard
#

you basically only get like +20% spec on a kill, including dc

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sorry i mean like 70%

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so if you miss accursed you get fucked kinda

small anvil
#

From what I can tell accursed is more important than eye for wisp

hasty shard
#

you can only accursed once

small anvil
#

And doesn't have to hit a bigger number

hasty shard
#

if its more consistent to land ayak its probably just better due to the spec cost tbh

small anvil
#

Im not like terribly experienced in doing these accuracy calcs tho so I might have missed things

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Yeah but eye also has the hit 1-9 problem

fathom fox
#

hey why am i getting the messege for would have received scroll box? when my stack is only 3, but my clue kc is 2000?

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shouldnt my stack be 4?

kind surge
#

what tier is the clue scroll, and how many clues of that tier have you done? are you sure you're also accounting for a clue scroll that's already active (ie already opened a scroll box earlier or you had the clue from before the update)?

fathom fox
#

i figured it out

fathom fox
kind surge
#

ah yeah it does count

austere mulch
#

Wish we could give the boxes to Watson instead of having 5 boxes -> open one of each -> use scroll on Watson -> get master box -> repeat

Would be nice if the “give all” to Watson included boxes

austere mulch
whole glacier
#

do we know yet if having a moss giant task will change the bryo/chest droprate for keys from 1/16 to 1/16 + 1/75? or does it replace the original droprate with the slayer bonus making it 1/75?

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they said the previous cumulative rates were "bugged" but if bryo gives 1/75 from a task then that is truly bugged.

noble lark
#

not sure if this the best place. or if it's intended. But Obor's kill count only goes up on chest opening.

ember token
#

that is intended

frozen lion
#

Do we know if bird nests upon receiving a clue is no more a thing with clue boxes release?

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or release of clue box nest? lol

shadow wave
#

Yes, clue nests, geodes and bottles are all gone

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Unless you haven't completed X Marks the Spot

frozen lion
#

well geodes and bottles are no matter, but clue nests were a good thing..

weary stag
frozen lion
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ty for info

weary stag
#

I was assuming they were broken until I saw 2 in my inv too yesterday, I get ya xdd

shadow wave
#

Beginner clue nests didn't give a nest after opening, just the clue, so it's possible it was beginner clues you were getting?

timber drift
#

good clue update unfortunately puro puro is still a shithole see you till the next buff

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rogues working on clues died for this....

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need to preserve the eclectic meta......

fossil epoch
#

Nah its more so that this was a poll about if clues should be stackable, not if there should be a 2x increase in clues for pickpockets, that needs to be a seperate poll (that i would vote yes to)

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But its always a problem if jagex polls something, and then does something else that wasnt asked in the poll, they get shit for that. Now they actually didnt buff a method 2x without asking first

timber drift
#

i hate that you're right

fossil epoch
#

same, i hate implings

final frigate
#

Hello mr goblin, any updates on this? Toa feels so close to being a genuinely decent raid and zebak sticks out like a sore thumb SADGECLAP

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Zebak stats/warden p1/p3 changes and it'd be fantastic

final frigate
#

P1 could be a little more interactive than move between 2 tiles and eat damage

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And p3 could get the pnm treatment of removing the first phase

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Currently it's nothing skulls nothing skulls zebak skulls baba

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Could split it into 3 parts so nothing skulls zebak skulls baba instead of 4

winged mantle
#

I always wondered why p2 was not just you v both the melee warden and the stand still warden and you have to kill both before being teleoprted to p4

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Skip the skulls, skip the 1,2,3 move inbetween

final frigate
#

Yeah wardens is a lot of missed opportunity unfortunately

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I'm kinda ok with current p2 at least it makes you do stuff reactively

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And p4 is great

#

But p1 and p3 are such massive letdowns

winged mantle
#

Agreed

final frigate
#

I haven't done much of the other 2 raids at all but I always hear great stuff for olm/verzik

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But wardens there's like.. not even the possibility of any cool tech

winged mantle
final frigate
#

Melee tank for a little less damage p2...

#

I worry they move on from toa after the recent changes forever

winged mantle
#

There's a chance for either

#

Proved they are ok to revisit

final frigate
#

And capable of making genuinely good changes

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Kephri and akkha are fantastic

#

Won't comment much on baba other than that scurrius is probably harder

timber drift
final frigate
#

But at least baba is saved by the bis puzzle room and a hint of movement on boulder skips

true talon
timber drift
#

what i said was kinda grossly oversimplified but atleast there's stuff going on under the hood at olm you have to think about

true talon
#

for sure

timber drift
#

still think its overrated tho yea

true talon
#

you need to know were you are in cycle, but you can also not care do 1-0 and end the boss with 0 damage

timber drift
#

but what i mentioned is cool atleast

#

yeah alright but thats giga troll

true talon
#

yes it is

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but its viable strategy

somber laurel
#

So real quick, am I the only person who thinks Jagex clearly had a brain malfunction with their "solution" to Torstol seed prices? Why on earth would they globally nerf seed drops because Torstol seeds are cheap and a "bad drop"? Isn't that akin to using a firehose on a match? Does it not make infinitely more sense to just remove them from a few drop tables thereby reducing the number in circulation, increasing thier price, fixing the bad drop issue, and not absolutely destroying farming runs? x.x

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Or have I missed something

true talon
somber laurel
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me either

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but they cocked everything to "fix" it

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so

true talon
#

do you think a super combat should cost 30k to use?

somber laurel
#

Eh, I'm not upset about individual prices. I'm upset that they took such a ridiculous and economy-damaging soltuion to an issue that nobody had and also now farm runs suck

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herb runs have, without hyperbole, been a mainstay in passive money making for literally 2 decades and then some. An update that screws that up is a bad update imo

true talon
#

isnt there still lots of profit to be made from farm runs on other seeds

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was torstolt he only one profitable?

somber laurel
#

And I can not for the life of me understand why that was the solution they came to

#

it's not only torstol seeds they nerfed

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they globally nerfed seed drops bro

#

all seeds are skyrocketing

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huasca were 190k

true talon
#

i mean torstol seeds did not even go up

somber laurel
#

yeserday

true talon
#

they are 13.9k lol

somber laurel
#

yesterday*

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individual clean snaps were selling for 17k each

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can't go by the GE price when there's massive changes - gotta check sold data

true talon
#

huasca is always gonna be high, due to it being new the boss is not fun to kill and the reagent for its potion is absolute fucking ass to obtain

somber laurel
#

but the update took them from 120k average to 190k average in literally 2 days

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x.x

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that is the issue here

true talon
#

aldarium needs to be taken out back for production

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Hopefully some comes in varl p3

somber laurel
#

it just bafles me that this was the solution they came to

earnest marsh
#

Ah guess I can put some snape in death coffer then

true talon
#

id rather put a twisted bow in death's coffer over snapegrass seeds

earnest marsh
#

Haha true

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Get so much from contracts tho

true talon
#

I throw mostly tree and fruit tree seeds in coffer

#

I try to avoid doing any pvm drops other than 1 time use stuff, because they do shit like bandos plates/armadyl parts lol

tropic kelp
#

like magic seeds and dragonfruit

#

never thought about that

fossil epoch
#

if you dont plan on using them for the pet, then sure, wont need them

earnest marsh
true talon
#

But fi you pet hunt youd be doing seaweed runs

fossil epoch
true talon
#

But lots of end game bosses drop tree seeds like palm/magic

fossil epoch
#

got mine from seaweed, but i did all the different seeds that had decent rates, was down bad on fruit trees and had even used apple seeds lol

true talon
#

Mine will come from a herb patch if anything lol

fair ice
#

Yesterday Mantas also peaked at 9k for a bit, their value has doubled from the changes

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IIdk whotf is buying them when the same heal can be bought for 1400 but braindead

patent dock
#

That’s crazy

wooden harbor
#

is this new renderer beta already live? if so is it official client only for now? :O
nvm found my answer

true talon
#

?????????

image.png
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This has to be some insane market manipulation lol

#

"there is a shortage of mantarays!"

#

but we can use darkcrabs/anglerfish....

#

No it has to be manta rays!

dire mango
rain fulcrum
#

People do not know about dark crabs

small anvil
#

It's obscurity mostly yeah

#

Mantas have long been the most expensive

#

Then their supply got cut

rain fulcrum
#

Also they look ugly in the inventory

small anvil
#

Tuna potatoes too

#

Anglers being cheaper than crab is funny though

idle rapids
#

Anglers easy to bot

#

I'm surprised crabs are so cheap but they probably also come from wildy boss bots or smthing

true talon
hard axle
#

since afk anglers with demonic worms are the bis normal pet method

idle rapids
#

what do you mean normal pet method

#

like best for non-tick manip?

hard axle
#

ye

idle rapids
#

oh thats good to know 👍

rain fulcrum
#

Why would they make that good pet rate

idle rapids
#

I'd probably still just do bwans though, might as well get more afk time 🤷

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If I end up with more exp till pet i'm not complaining

idle rapids
hard axle
rain fulcrum
#

I don't think every pet hunter is necessarily sweaty

idle rapids
#

Best beaver rate non-tick manip is arctic pines, I like having random content be best pet rate, you probably wouldnt be chopping them otherwise

rain fulcrum
#

Some of them probably just play a lot

hard axle
idle rapids
#

I guess the majority of pets are pvm so some probably don't care about skilling yea

#

Would probably save you like 1,000+ hours though

true talon
#

Leviathan dropping 2250 aethe cata on perfect kill is kinda cool

#

seems insane compared that contract is 2k and yama solo is 850 XD

hard axle
small anvil
#

Worms are better than 2t swords

#

For pet rate

#

The wiki rate for swords was erroneously double

#

3 tick diabolic worms would def be highest pet rate I think

#

And afk is still the best

idle rapids
#

geez i need to do that pre-nerf

obsidian venture
#

I forgot about the drop tables change

#

Finally pvming again and fucking dusk dropped sea turtles

#

I was so confused

#

Can’t wait to see the effects at zulrah/toa

idle rapids
hard axle
#

it's just lower success rate

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every 5t

#

that's how most gathering skills work

#

u can fill actions in during the dead ticks

austere mulch
#

Nutso if you can

shell fossil
#

Do we know when the update to break down embelms for revenenth ether is gonna come? didnt that pass the polls ages and ago and many, if not all, other things that passed have already came?

idle rapids
#

or wait can you 2tick attack with an alt somehow

#

nvm darts are 2t im dumb

tropic kelp
tropic kelp
#

i will do that

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gonna be good for my accidental zulrah planks

#

thanks

austere mulch
tropic kelp
#

and raw sharks

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sometimes mantas too but not nearly as often

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(at zulrah that is)

true talon
#

This good shit

image.png
patent junco
#

Is there a place to report a bug

#

TIL you can right click the report button and report a bug.

bright anchor
#

Do we happen to know when the dedicated slayer QOL blog is comming roughly?

ember token
#

next few weeks

chrome lantern
#

Winter 2017

woeful kettle
#

Was the new renderer made with apple silicon/arm based computers in mind?

ember token
#

it's the runetek renderer I think, same as what rs3 uses

fair comet
#

Are they still planning on remaking smithing? Or is that largely a player-driven fantasy?

meager flame
#

They'll do it eventually

ember token
fair comet
craggy radish
#

Yeah it's giants foundry :)

quasi minnow
#

give our girlies in keldagrim some glow-ups

violet delta
#

Give us what we want mods - we want DMM dates

shadow wave
quick jackal
#

a recent update broke the imcando hammers

#

the offhand variant does not hold it's placeholder in the bank when withdrawling.

#

made a bug report but also wanted to throw it out here cause the devs sometimes hang here

chrome lantern
fossil epoch
tranquil topaz
#

Anyone noticing significantly less clues at sacred eels post update? Typically I'd get 3-7 (excluding beginners) in 8 hours of afk, now I only get 1

quick jackal
#

before this issue i could withdrawl both and both would hold their place holders. it's only when you have both and withdrawl both

quick jackal
fossil epoch
#

probably report it in game then

quick jackal
#

i did already. just put it here just incase it helps the devs see it sooner

slow dove
#

Is the new renderer beta live or is that still coming soon? Think I misread the newspost.

frail bough
slow dove
#

Thank you.

violet nest
#

Has anyone gotten a clue from sepulchre recently? I haven't gotten a single one all day while looting every coffin on every floor, wondering if stackable clues broke it

violet nest
earnest marsh
#

sadlife

#

can we hvae a unlock in the game where if you unlock it, you will never be able to receive clues again?

ember token
#

shouldnt even be an unlock

#

should just be able to talk to watson

earnest marsh
#

ye idk why everything in the game drops clues

#

such bad design

jagged marsh
heavy ledge
#

and use ground items plugin to hide clues from monsters?

#

would be nice if we could disable an entire tier specifically, tho

#

like no beg/ez

#

only other solution i can think of is to keep a stack of 5 in the bank at all times

chrome lantern
#

Get the stack and send it to death’s office eternally

sacred oracle
#

admittedly more difficult now than it was last week, when you just needed 1 clue of each tier in bank to block them forever

earnest marsh
#

Yee, still doing quests and bankspace...

#

They keep adding so many new items

#

But bank same space

sacred oracle
#

you can buy more bank space

#

quite a lot actually

#

however, you don't really need it unless iron or a hoarder

#

if you only keep the stuff you need, you won't need more than 600 spots

#

i fill 600 with every bis pvm item in the game and a lot of collectibles clutter

austere mulch
#

Or maybe that was only discussed at this point

ember token
#

i have lots of bank space left to buy and my bank is nowhere near full but i'd still rather not have to keep beginners in my bank to stop getting them

meager flame
#

i feel like this is kind of a made up problem im ngl just dont pick them up who cares if they're on the floor

#

the reason we should get bank space is like when yama comes out and they give you like

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4 items several contracts you'd reasonably want to complete and shards

#

so they just delete like 10+ bank slots instantly

#

oh and a new rune and the item to craft it

#

oh and worms and lol tallow

#

its shit like that honestly that sucks when they make changes

ember token
#

im fine with using bank slots on something useful

meager flame
#

using them is fine but they cant just -15 bank slots every time an update comes out

#

and never give people passive bank size increases

#

they're kinda hiding behind hoping people will sink more gp

ember token
#

yeah i mean id kinda say its also a made up problem because everyone has junk they can clean out of their bank they don't need

meager flame
#

idk i think doing an exhaustive search of your bank and storing everything in your poh that you possibly can to maintain bank space is just

#

not really great long term

#

but tbh i dont support them selling bank space whatsoever

ember token
#

people let the junk build up too long and create the problem for themselves later

meager flame
#

i think banks should just be large enough to play the game and never think about bank size at all

#

unless you're insane and actually tried to collect every item in the game

ember token
#

on the other hand I'd say its good that people do have to think about bank size, imagine how bad some people's banks would be if they never had to clean out the junk they collected since the beginning of the game while doing quests n stuff

meager flame
#

who cares though

#

like

#

honestly that doesn't even matter lol

ember token
#

idk jagex's servers care

meager flame
#

its just existing to be annoying to players and you can already buy enough bank space to have a very large bank if you actually spent an incredible amount of gp

#

so the servers can clearly handle it

ember token
#

they cant handle any more according to recent sailing talks

meager flame
#

what did they say exactly

#

because they've said they will be increasing it for sailing

final lynx
#

did they patch the cough disappearing on zaros phase at nex?

ember token
meager flame
#

i feel like there is no other way to handle it lmao im ngl

#

i guess they could handle it for most players by simply bumping them up x number of bank slot tiers

#

depending on how many items they're really adding

#

like 1 or 2 would likely be enough

#

it wouldn't help people that actually maxed their bank slots out already but

#

thats relatively few people

#

because no matter how you look at it

#

they're just adding an absolute shit ton of items between sailing and tie ins to other skills

#

so it goes in the bank or another storage space lol

#

seems like that just has to be something they solve right now bank space wise

#

since even if they somehow let you hide everything in your boat or something silly to dodge the issue now they're just going to be staring at it a year from now after adding more content

heavy knoll
#

Reworking the Grand Exchange: Clan Market System Idea

I’ve been thinking about how to bring back the old-school feel of trading before the GE handled everything, and I think clans could be the key.

The core idea is to introduce Clan Market Halls, where each clan has its own store system run by preset NPCs—but fully configured by the players.

Each NPC runs a storefront you set up—pick a shop style, choose what to sell, and set your own prices. Think skilling supply shop, PvM drops store, rune shop, etc. These shops live in the clan hall and act like small custom vendors.

Clan members can access the full stock with no GE tax. Guests (non-members) can visit and buy from public shop listings, but they won’t see the member-only offers or get clan prices.

This would give the game a real player-driven economy again—similar to how world 2 Falador used to feel. Reputation, trust, and community would actually matter.

Main features:
• Clan Market Halls with NPC-run player shops
• Choose preset shop types (gear vendor, potion shop, etc.)
• Members list items, set prices, and control what’s public or private
• Guests can browse and buy from public listings
• Member-only listings come tax-free
• More vendor slots unlock as the clan becomes more active

If this gets added, the GE tax should be increased to push more value into the clan trading system. GE still works for convenience, but the best value comes from being part of a real trading group.

The point isn’t to force socializing—it’s to reward it.

nocturne solstice
ember token
nocturne solstice
#

oh yeah just noticed the -

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true

heavy ledge
final frigate
#

@winter hearth are there any plans of adding toa unique weighting changes for >500 as well? since the lower ones are getting interpolated next week

bold palm
final frigate
#

unlucky

#

ty

warm storm
meager flame
#

ya i just think its insane if they actually said they cant increase bank slots now

#

thats going to be a very real and pressing problem forever if they dont fix that lol

slender vapor
#

Something something 50-100+ unique sailing items

jovial sentinel
#

Wouldnt be surprised though if it was coded in a way that prevented the space.

#

But i think rs3 has fixed that? They have loads of space there

nocturne solstice
ember token
#

ah yeah they didnt completely rule out expanding bank space as an option

tiny epoch
#

potion storage was a lot of bank space

#

idk what other things like that they could add

jovial sentinel
#

Potion storage is kind of bad though. Making people go through more menus for every little thing is just going to add to that annoyance

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Its not a good solution, unless we're also getting presets for inventories or something.

ember token
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potion storage is fine, could be better

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don't have to go through any menus if you just use the bank tabs plugin

jovial sentinel
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Yeah, its fine itself. I mean more add in a food storage, a gear storage, or whatever

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Thats going to start being a big pain

ember token
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ah yeah fair enough

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although I doubt they're gonna do any more storages like that

jovial sentinel
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Really, expanded house gear set storage, accessible from the bank would do a lot for space.

ember token
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gear storage is basically the poh costume room, they could expand the amount of items that can be stored in there

jovial sentinel
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Yeah, it just cant require you to go to your house every time.

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Its a minor issue when its a once in a while set

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Thats fine.

ember token
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linking POH storage to the bank is something I could see them do, simply just connecting an existing storage system to the bank

jovial sentinel
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Yeah, doesnt seem too hard.. though i dont know runecode

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Like, poh could store one of every gear set in the game and probably be fine

narrow folio
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The point of potion storage is to not put everything in there, but non full doses

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That way you can still easily access pots even if there's no tag setup

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If you leave 4 dosers in the normal bank, it's a great space save

thick beacon
meager flame
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i would prefer we avoid the self troll route lmao

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its almost always terrible when you can store things somewhere other than your bank

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exceptions being stash units and the toa pick axe storage

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since those actually hold the item where you would like to use it

thick beacon
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idk anytime i saw ppl asking for bank space ppl always like stop hoarding

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or use poh etc any work around exepct bank space

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im just very biased though im the type of person that ran out of bank space on leaugesfeelsroqman

meager flame
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i just think overall its really silly

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i can understand them having a limit in the sense that perhaps you should not store every single item ever added to the game in your bank

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but other than that it should effectively not have a realistic limit

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like lol

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whats the realistic problem they store player data poorly?

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that might be a big fix but probably worth it

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it might be more interesting if its a server performance thing though and not a data storage thing

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but even then i'd take a low performance giga tab where i could just throw stuff in that rarely gets used but is too valuable to drop

slender vapor
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A looting bag, but for your bank

ember token
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i think for most people, bank space concerns are their own fault

slender vapor
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No, I definitely need that half eaten summer pie

meager flame
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tbh though the first thing i thought of with all of this

ember token
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however for irons, it’s definitely different, i’m a 100x more understanding of an iron being low on bank space

meager flame
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how much bank space would it be to store everything possible

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im kinda curious if thats actually a reasonable technical limitation or if its like

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tech debt from when the game had 20x less items

thick beacon
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they added a reasonable amount of bank space tbh just have to pay 10bill

slender vapor
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Easy

meager flame
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i actually think the bank storage purchase thing is a little bit terrible

slender vapor
meager flame
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because the account type where you reasonably do just amass tons of like

slender vapor
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It's a shit gold sink

meager flame
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skilling materials and dupes and so on

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is the account type where you dont need a gold sink

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at least not one tuned for mains

nocturne solstice
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Considering they can de-iron at any time. The price for storage shouldnt change.

ember token
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its fine mostly, but absurd for it to go up into the hundreds of mils for individual upgrades

meager flame
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they could probably fix it by allowing deaths coffer to work for buying storage for irons

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if they actually want to sink stuff that might matter for mains

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that would help

thick beacon
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should add sailing to it pay 100bill for the extra new spacePauseChamp

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double down

slender vapor
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We just need an offshore sailing bank

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Free of taxes

meager flame
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its just interesting to watch the jagex thought process

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they clearly get it with death costs but then another dev comes along with the bank space stuff and clearly doesn't have the same level of like

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understanding

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bit weird to think irons can't pay a full death fee and turn around and try to charge them 500m for 40 slots

thick beacon
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ive seen some irons oppose the idea

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think its a good one though to be able to use coffer gp

meager flame
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ya you'll always have someone thats like

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"i was crazy enough to actually sit here and grind for this therefor it should continue to be bad"

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happens with everything

nocturne solstice
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Dont you think its a bit disingenuous to say it costs 500m for 40 slots when thats for the final set of slots? It would be just as truthful to say it only costs 1m for 40 slots.

meager flame
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no you could also say it costs 888m for 360 slots

nocturne solstice
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True, but thats not what you said.

meager flame
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im just saying the price range eventually escapes reason for the game mode

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its obviously a gold sink for mains

thick beacon
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think its disingenuous to have to pay for bank space

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its like if they said we gona increase space with sailing then added this system

nocturne solstice
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I think its very on brand for banks to try and squeeze money out of you

meager flame
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in practical terms if you let irons sink items to go up in the tiers what would actually happen

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is that you would delete more items before they got drop traded for bonds

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where you would've probably sunk almost nothing

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since most people simply wont ever use their gp to that extent

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its not like irons drop their gp over

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generally though just outside of irons vs mains or whatever

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i dont really like that they're turning something bad about their game into a gold sink

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instead of just fixing something that people probably don't really enjoy running into

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i get that they need gold sinks but idk if thats a great time to do it

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like imagine the next time the world im on starts having poor performance and i can go talk to some portal keeper npc

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and buy access to a low latency world that doesn't miss ticks

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with gp

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lmao

slender vapor
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Legit 2% ge tax removes more than the sum total in a day that bank slots have removed period

nocturne solstice
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I dunno I think storage limitations are pretty common in MMOs. Runescape's one is kinda forgiving from what I remember.

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A lot of other games use premium currency to increase bank spaces or just inventory spaces.

meager flame
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most mmos generally delete the need for storage

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instead of coming up with ways to give you more

slender vapor
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Just refund people what they spent on spaces and just give people the storage

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It's kinda silly how it's setup now

meager flame
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with osrs thats obviously not really going to happen

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because of how the game works

nocturne solstice
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The MMOs I recall dont do that like GW2, FFXIV, Ragnarok Online, Dofus/Wakfu, which ones dont have any restrictions?

meager flame
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no im not saying they delete restrictions

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im saying they delete the situation of you running into them

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like take wow

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you dont have to keep all of your previous gear to use the appearance later

nocturne solstice
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No restriction on inventory space doesnt mean no need for storage?

meager flame
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you simply unlock the appearance and vendor the old items

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so you never have a moment where you have to store more in your bank than you have space for

nocturne solstice
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Does WoW not also have bank expansion you have to pay for?

meager flame
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it does actually but thats the thing

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they dont matter

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you can never interact with your bank

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ever

nocturne solstice
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Is that not just UIM then which you can also do here?

meager flame
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its not comparable at all

nocturne solstice
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I havent played WoW so I wouldnt know

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It just sounds the same at face value

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It also seems common that in WoW people specifically make new accounts to act as banks

meager flame
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the reason you cant really compare them is because you dont interact with your bank or need storage for anything even kind of normal

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where in rs

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you're expected to use and play around having a bank all the time

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and uim exists because thats actually a big deal and a huge restriction

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most mmos are a lot more like wow in the sense that you can carry everything with you everywhere that you really need

nocturne solstice
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So assuming thats true and you're right about WoW despite wow also having the same system. What other MMOs? The others I've played either had the bag system which felt restrictive (GW2) or a weight system which sucks too.

meager flame
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like alt banks in wow

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are more along the lines of extra ge slot accounts

nocturne solstice
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Most other mmos do feel a lot better at the midgame when you get a lot more bags though

meager flame
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for osrs

warm storm
warm storm
true talon
true talon
heavy ether
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they said osrs will have some hd update?

nocturne solstice
nocturne solstice
heavy ether
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cool

true talon
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Like i have 1020 slots, so im not gonna run out and i also have around 900m cash on my iron lol. but i would still never pay these prices (maybe the 20m)

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warm storm
true talon
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Facts

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All my money will go to scar ess lol