game-update

[dreamy fractal]

Seems like I did

Unluck

[rare grotto]

making up a problem is quite the technology indeed

[dreamy fractal]

It's a personal experience I had starting out; It's not making up a problem if it's one I felt myself. I understand that personal anecdotes however are not how everyone sees everything

but that makes them no less "real" or "made up"

[sacred oracle]

I understand the motivation behind people who play irons, I just don't share it. I get that they don't feel they earned or deserved something and it just doesn't feel meaningful unless they get it as a drop. A lot of people feel that way!

[rare grotto]

thats why i said its not cox release

cause it's just not true nowadays

[sacred oracle]

I feel that way about some stuff. I wouldn't value pets if you could just buy them. The grind is what makes it meaningful.

I just don't happen to feel that way about supplies or gear. Buying them with gp feels plenty fine to me, and so a main I remain.

But I understand the idea behind it for sure.

[dreamy fractal]

It's ok that you believe that, but I disagree with you You're entitled to have your opinion, but I'm not going to suddenly go "oh shit u right man, just because alternatives that aren't quite as good exist I guess it don't matter that there's so overwhelmingly many things you gotta do to catch up to everyone else. My b my b"

[austere mulch]

If the pride comes from earning the drop, isn’t that basically just forced clogging

So main that is a clogger = same feeling of achievement more or less

[dreamy fractal]

Your definition of "truth" is "whatever I believe to be correct", which is silly

[sacred oracle]

I also don't like buyable cosmetics, either. Cosmetics and pets are the things that I completely understand the iron perspective on.

[rare grotto]

there's nothing to catch up on when u can skip hella content nowadays

[tawny tide]

Gim is a blast until it’s a solo iron with 140 extra bank space

[rare grotto]

but it's fine just keep ad homineming ur way through

[dreamy fractal]

I'd say a bunch of it comes from needing to balance your gameplay with supplies and levelling up skills to unlock stuff as well, but boiled down sure

[sacred oracle]

Yeah, I tend to think of a main clogger as an iron just without the chores

I plan to do every piece of content, and have gone through tons of content that most mains never touch, just to greenlog it

[dreamy fractal]

My brother in christ I'm not the one trying to push my opinion as definitive truth, I just shared my personal experience and what I think others that aren't as experienced as we are now would be facing

[chrome crypt]

yeah tbf our team is so high up in the highscores, then we realised it because it's a graveyard of ex-friends

happy to say all 5 of us are casual players and still playing

🙂

[rare grotto]

gets challenged on whatever bs he spews
ur trying to push ur opinion as truth!!

good one

[fickle crest]

shut the FUCK up Ryan. (mods don't ban me)

[tawny tide]

https://tenor.com/view/come-back-miss-you-a-lot-miss-you-so-much-inside-out-gif-11562058

[chrome crypt]

hold on i remember theres a funny af screenshot in the ba community

on the other side of the extremity

[true talon]

nah it comes from the progression of obtaining an item that is game changing for your account and helps towards your future goals.

[true talon]

This statement reads like a boss being disapointed in his employee.

[sacred oracle]

what's the context

[chrome crypt]

it wasn't the only time the guy posted that to his team mates

I'm not too sure because I wasn't part of that GIM group, just someone in the BA community showing some of the messages he received from the leader of his RS3 GIM group

[sacred oracle]

ohhh i see

i got hung up on the ba part

[tawny tide]

This is so funny

[sacred oracle]

i didn't even know rs3 has gim tbh

[true talon]

and you know what my response would be, Lata bitch.

i dont need your demanding opressive ass to play a video game

[sacred oracle]

"galavanting around on old school runescape"

[hasty shard]

this reads like the lawyers post

[hasty shard]

y'all afraid of lawyers? you should be?

[hard axle]

[hasty shard]

why is gmtoradiants an emote

gmtofirecapers tier

gmtoardycapers

[true talon]

I wonder what Mod Manked has been up to lately. we havnt seen any wilderness stuff since last year.

[meager flame]

probably on a quest to find himself after his dreams of pvp updates met the reality of osrs players

also didnt he do titans

[true talon]

I mean i thought wrathmaw was cool. i did not think the time gating and single location was good.

wrathmaw as a giant worm that spawns in the wilderness and is taken on similar to like perilous moons sounds badass.

its just always up and you have a indiviual health bar to deal with like PM

onceyou deal with its health bar it goes into the ground and your teleported outside the arena. untill you go to ferox to loot the chest or something.

The only bad part of wrathmaw was the time gating and limited area's

[meager flame]

also the part where it wasn't going to be an interesting pvm fight at all and it was just a place to go get killed by clans

it was just going to be eating simulator assuming clans got bored enough to even make it playable

[sacred oracle]

i don't mind an overworld boss

i just absolutely did not want it to be in wildy

i get what they were trying to do, they were trying to recreate the excitement of breaches

but ... nah

[austere mulch]

Diff perspectives. For me, compared to clogging on a main, it just felt like replaying the game but with intentionally worse gear for the sake of progression and the added chores of gathering or stretching supplies (lots or prayer flicking).

Like, doing x number of tob with a whip to get a scythe feels the same to me as just doing tob with a scythe till I get a scythe on the log. Except the latter is more fun

It forces you to engage with a wider scope of content that you may not have otherwise done in general; which was fun at first. But once you get to the clogging phase (if ever), it’s essentially the same to me

[west whale]

nyone know which of the summer changes are next week

[true talon]

All of them

[small anvil]

No not all

Don't spread false info

[small anvil]

The toa changes are in there apparently according to some mod post in Reddit

[true talon]

dunno whats not in this list thats not in the blog

[hasty shard]

which boss will be broken

any guesses

[small anvil]

Duke

[true talon]

obor and bryo

[hasty shard]

duke yeah

i honestly dont know what the obor/bryo changes are meant to be

so you fight the bosses without keys for...?

[small anvil]

For ca

[true talon]

yea you can fight the bosses with no keys and the keys will open a chest for loot

[west whale]

dafyq are the gg changes

[hasty shard]

😭 ok

[true talon]

the bosses themself will drop the keys themself as well as some prayer exp

Its a good change, it allows people to boss early slayer.

[hasty shard]

id mb get it if they're doing it so the bosses drop keys still themselves

and its faster than camping normal giants

[true talon]

I wish it was extended to awakened bosses

gate keep the loot table, not the encounter.

[old tinsel]

Sooo new toa gem tomorrow too?

[torpid delta]

making the rockfalls only stun you if you're directly under the shadow as opposed to the whole 3x3 damage zone, iirc

[solar gale]

New npc for the ge: Pierre the pyromancer, he decants pies (pizza and dessert)

[autumn sage]

I swear i read in a news article that they plan to revamp slayer tasks? (eg combine dragon tasks or w/e) was this a dream or i just cant find it anymore

[tacit wharf]

pt 2 of summer sweep up

they wanted to get pt 1 done before having us worry about pt 2

or something along those lines

[austere mulch]

Soulflame horn should be included in part 2

[vestal jetty]

Don’t worry there is no update without yama being updated

[autumn sage]

they removed the pt2 post then? or i am just room temp iq rn

[tacit wharf]

wont come out till after pt 1 is out (mostly out), so not till july at earliest

[ember token]

yeah the yama update that happened today was crazy

[frail bough]

I also thought it was stuff i was just making up in my head as "would be nice" but this was from blog

Very much looking forward to all these that haven't come.

[tacit wharf]

same, hoping for some reduced alchs from cata nech's

[stuck mauve]

neckreals?

[tacit wharf]

yes nech's

[sacred oracle]

reduced alchs?

[tacit wharf]

yes, they drop way to many alchables

[sacred oracle]

what problem does that cause?

[tacit wharf]

me having to bank 6 times a trip

[stuck mauve]

true when i barraged at nechs, some people would come and steal the loot they dropped, it must be great money

[sacred oracle]

what do you want it to drop instead?

[tacit wharf]

nothing, delete some of the alchs from the table

[sacred oracle]

so you want to nerf the drop table and make it less gph? i'm not sure i'm following

[tacit wharf]

correct

[sacred oracle]

i see no reason for this, but i understand what you are saying now

[tacit wharf]

they dont need the extra gp/hr compared to nech's in other locations

as they already as the one of the better barrage tasks for slayer

[stuck mauve]

i just didnt pickup the alchables

[sacred oracle]

not sure everyone making less at nechs qualifies as a "slayer improvement"

[stuck mauve]

that solves the banking issue

[sacred oracle]

i just leave the loot or bring an alt to alch it myself

i think people without alts just bring explorer's ring

might be nice if the drop table was shifted more to stackables since the best way to kill them is barraging so you don't have alchs available

but that doesn't really seem in scope for this round of changes to me

but hey we take qol where we can

[tacit wharf]

this would quite literally be a buff to the task

which is the opposite of what i suggested

lets just make one of the best slayer tasks even better

[sacred oracle]

your initial problem was you didn't want to bank 6 times a trip, and this seems like a way to solve that

[tacit wharf]

....

[stuck mauve]

defeating zuk should yield more tokkul

[sacred oracle]

personally, i'd just leave it the way it is, but i was trying to think of a way to solve the problem you expressed without nerfing the task

[ember token]

defeating zuk should yield an uncut onyx every time

[sacred oracle]

it seemed weird to me that everyone should make less gph at nechs because you don't want to bank as much

¯_(ツ)_/¯

just spitballing

[tacit wharf]

the fact that u can barrage them is already a good enough incentive over meeling them to not warrant them to have as many alchable as they do

[solar gale]

you do realize the alchs are to offset the cost of barraging them right?

[stuck mauve]

would be nice, i'm tired of killing tekton in cm on my iron to get onyx everytime

[solar gale]

each cast of ice barrage costs ~1k

its 720k/h just to cast the spell over and over

[tacit wharf]

i do understand that

[true talon]

Allow Demonbane weaponry to work on the Ice Demon at the Chambers of Xeric. Fire Surge should still remain the most effective way of dispatching this demonic foe, but this is a nice alternative if you're willing to sacrifice an Inventory space.
I want this lol

[meager flame]

also toa

[stuck mauve]

does salve work on ba-ba now

[meager flame]

oh shit my discord works again

nah i was replying to something a million years ago

lmao

[stuck mauve]

[minor whale]

Just...don't?
Slayer qol proposal: nerf something so there's no choice between gp and xp

[chrome lantern]

I think nechs are fine, bank often and get all the gp, but use no supplies, don’t bank and alch with ring but use a ppot or two, or leave some loot and get the task done sooner for a ppot or two

I just hate how long a task takes at nechs zzzz

[sacred oracle]

i would lightly prefer less tension between staying for task and actually keeping the loot, but maybe that's an intentional design

maybe that helps balance it

there's lots of places that act as loot sinks for stuff you don't grab, like wyrm bones, come to think

diary perk to make alchemical hydra drop noted bones

[chrome lantern]

I think hydra is fine too

Trips are still long enough tbh if you loot all the bones, I hate staying at a boss for hours

And sinister offering is very good alternative and restores some prayer

[tacit wharf]

oh speaking of hyrda

little ones shouldnt change styles, they should either range or mage

[honest hamlet]

Anyone know when ToA changes go live??

[chrome lantern]

“Summer Sweep Up Combat Changes coming next week,” not specified if that includes ToA

[lunar blade]

im trying to understand the text about dragonhunter wand. Are they making it more rare or less rare?

[chrome lantern]

2x more common than it is now but they originally proposed 3x

[lunar blade]

oki

I just tought "Considering how good the Wand is with our proposed changes (particularly with Ancient Magicks autocasting), we think it could stand to be a little tougher to obtain than we'd initially written down." was worded so wierd, so was confused

[tacit wharf]

mod posted onthe reddit post for todays update, saying some changes are going to be in it

[tacit wharf]

there we go, ty

[chrome lantern]

:(

[sacred oracle]

i actually considered doing toa yesterday, got geared and everything, then remembered it's about to change and did nothing

now i can blame jagex instead of my own wishy washy nature

[narrow folio]

I feel like it's more valuable to spam toa now and sell loot after the changes if they go up at all

[hard axle]

please

for the love of god

just make like a boss

worth it to do

instead of nerfing the fucking points

[chrome lantern]

I just don't want to have 20% more raids to finish

[hard axle]

even with GM perk, 65 kc is like 2 hours max with fucking exp bracelet pushing it to 80 kc

and some tasks are night-and-day to do, like vorkath + wisp

[honest hamlet]

Ty 🙂

[fleet spoke]

are they pushing out all the summer sweep up stuff next week or just some? the phrasing was a little vague for me

[minor whale]

Some, but a lot

[fleet spoke]

lost my fang/pouch/ls on my iron and i can use all the days before the changes to try and get them back

shit im so sorry I see you posted the screens but a bit ago 😭

[minor whale]

No worries man! It's a big list lmao

[lunar blade]

I wonder when jagex will nerf soul wars

[chrome lantern]

Winter 2017

[hard axle]

I don't think they need to nerf SW, but if they want to combat bots, then they should raise the combat level requirement for tradeable rewards

[jagged marsh]

Pot Zambers

[tawny tide]

https://tenor.com/view/boo-gif-19787475173016375

[thick beacon]

so fast to heard news this morning

[brazen sigil]

How did you loose?

[fleet spoke]

hydras orz

so 500% my fault thought i was different and could make it to deathbank without boots

[brazen sigil]

Oooh it was in death bank and you died again to floor, that's brutal. Especially loosing raid items

[tawny tide]

Iron?

Oh you said iron

That’s so brutal

[fleet spoke]

yee. kind of funny to be using n hally as my stab weapon

[atomic ember]

omfg

[brazen sigil]

At least fang isn't too hard to get from toa, especially If you have a bowfa + hally

[frigid goblet]

I've done the exact same thing haha was a kick in the guts haha

[austere mulch]

Fang-lite is coming too soon

New Crystal

Which is weird bc that’s what blue crystal should be but wcyd

[obsidian venture]

Legit could make the blue keris useful in toa but ofc gotta make something else pointless 🥱

[fleet spoke]

Yeah I am happy to use blue gem now and appreciate it some. If fang didnt exist I would be praising this at kephri

[ebon oracle]

What combat changes are planned for the first wave next week?

[warm storm]

pnm getting a phase removed and respawn changed most likely. also some toa

lots of stuff

[ebon oracle]

did they say that specifically anywhere?

[warm storm]

yeah.

[ebon oracle]

oh it's the whole blog? damn

[chrome lantern]

Wait why are they changing magic animations

I stg they just hate fun

Why can we not have any stalls in this game they make movement like 10x better

They got rid of emote stalling a while back too

Now you’re forced to fully come to a stop to emote

[true talon]

Getting rid of jank abusable systems is good.

its prob a pvp fix mostly

so you cant stall with firesurge and instantly ags someone

just like they did the hunter crossbow stall removal

[tacit wharf]

could be something they need to fix for sailing as well

[true talon]

Also there are animation stalls that are bad, i think dark demonbane one is pretty ergious

if you attack the animation will full stop your movement lol

[slender vapor]

Thanks, pvp

[final frigate]

@winter hearth would it be possible to get stats on what % of sunfire splinters come in from "people" claiming wave 1?

[ember token]

probably very possible but not numbers he's gonna be allowed to give you

because it would show just how many bots are farming splinters

[final frigate]

no they're genuine players i'm sure

who would bot a 0 req 0 risk 100% consistent and decent money maker

that has no complexity to it at all

[tiny epoch]

i made like 100mil farming wave1s when colo came out

went on holiday for a week & farmed wave1s on mobile in downtime making like 16mil/hr not bad content

[final frigate]

pretty good i think

one of the most prestigious achievements in game should be fuelled by people doing the most braindead farm ever

[narrow folio]

I've actually died farming wave 1 💀

Got lazy and started double dinning instead of sniping them one by one

[austere mulch]

Most stalls cancel your current path. There are very few that don’t

Tho dark demonbane doesn’t have a stall so idk wym there

Unless you mean purely visual

To which I guess I’ve never noticed lol

[dark token]

WHAT

how

LOL

[obsidian venture]

That's def a moment

[dark token]

double dinh'ing is tech if u drag it to mage

its not trolls

[bright anchor]

I couldnt find anything realy with the search option as there are many different search terms possible. but does anyone know if the topic of 200M capes has been touched upon anytime recent with any jmods with any answers?

[narrow folio]

yeah drag it to mage

what can I say it doesn't always kill meleer right away and he can chunk

[warm storm]

i did dinh spec then vbow then tbow if something is still alive

[narrow folio]

yep

[gleaming horizon]

@winter hearth just wanna check if the team is aware that the “World hopping should no longer produce an abnormal amount of Forestry events” part of this game update (https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/bounty-hunter-changes-collection-log-updates--emote-improvements?oldschool=1) did not actually fix anything lol

Until someone makes it so trees actually regenerate as intended after a player worldhops/logs out while chopping it, instead of continuing to have its health timer tick down, it’ll continue to be an issue

[idle rapids]

can't bank jims used tissues anymore apparently

[idle rapids]

lol that reminds me of brimhaven agility world hopping where it took like 6 updates to actually fix

[gleaming horizon]

Yeah forestry’s had a load of bandaids tossed on top of it but it kinda feels like this one stems all the way back from the change that made trees deplete on timers itself. Though I didn’t stumble across it until late February of last year. Been trying to get it fixed since

If we can’t have a fun social group to same-world teleport around to spawns, we sure as heck shouldn’t have solo force spawning at way higher than intended rates

[sacred oracle]

if I can't have what I want, why should other people get stuff is what it sounds like to me

[gleaming horizon]

(Because then everyone can collectively complain about the bad intended rates)

[gleaming horizon]

It’s a bug they tried and failed to fix, not taking bait comments at this time tyvm

[sacred oracle]

Forestry used to be so good before all the rates were nerfed into oblivion

Unluggy

Glad I clogged it early

It was so fun when the forestry clans were really active and hordes of us were running and chatting all over the world, every world

[gleaming horizon]

Yeah I was around for that… cross-world was excessive but same-world felt like it was in a really good place. Currently part of a forestry clan I stuck around with for the vibes

[meager flame]

Thats not a bug at all though

Or at least wasn't

Everything working completely as intended you and jagex just dont like it

[gleaming horizon]

“As intended” is that if nobody is chopping a tree it will regenerate hp (as stated in the blog that introduced tree hp timers to the game), not continue to deplete it just because someone logged out or hopped while chopping

[meager flame]

im ngl though either way you want to look at it

asking jagex for forestry changes is a historically bad idea

if you want to make it worse then sure but

lol

[gleaming horizon]

Just want shit to work the way it’s supposed to- and if a janky bug method is stopping people from collectively complaining about how bad “the way it’s supposed to work” is, I’d rather it get out of the way so the path to improving the content is cleaner

[meager flame]

improving the content so far has been making it worse

[gleaming horizon]

Won’t deny the historically bad idea part- but as it stands the best forestry method is a jank bug and that sucks, design-wise

[meager flame]

i mean the problem is obviously just that whoever at jagex is adjusting forestry

does not want it to be what everyone wants it to be

so its unworkable until they stop

[gleaming horizon]

Well surely they wouldn’t want “the social woodcutting expansion” to be a solo jank worldhop thing lol

Which is why they already tried (unsuccessfully) to fix that, specifically, once

[meager flame]

they just have a weird fixation on the uniques and the rates of exp

they dont want to allow people after the clog slots to rotate around collecting even though thats what those players enjoy

and they basically want to force them into a super afk relaxed wc experience with their closest 500 people for wt chat

lol all they had to do was throttle event exp if you were getting to them fast enough with teleports/hopping so you weren't getting insane wc exp

but instead they have like a saga of insane changes

[gleaming horizon]

“Insane” not even beating other methods at the time they stopped the teleporting

And it’s not like that was afk easy xp lol those events are pretty click intensive if you wanna get it

[meager flame]

ya but its just insane

jagex saw that people were getting more exp than they would've liked and just spawned like

increasingly insane changes

when the fix was really simple

[still sundial]

calling out events and organizing playerbase felt a lot more social too, which I thought was the point, but alas

[gleaming horizon]

Yeah but that’s a hill they’re willing to die on it seems- and at this point, that part just kinda is what it is unless they wanna balance it more… my main gripe is based around this, because of the regen bug

And was just curious to find out if they were even aware they didn’t actually fix it as they claimed lol

[gleaming horizon]

They liked that part, they said- they didn’t like a plugin being made to streamline that

As though things like shooting stars and the implings tracker haven’t been doing that, and far more streamlined, for ages

[quartz anchor]

Do we know for sure TOA changes next week? Or is it just the armour and element stuff

[meager flame]

we know for sure

[vivid ruin]

Yes one of the jmods commented on it

[quartz anchor]

Thank you

[quartz anchor]

Ty

[tiny epoch]

rip 5:1...

[stuck mauve]

it's all over now

[nocturne solstice]

rip, barely anyone knew you existed and worse than red-x

[tiny epoch]

wym worse than redx

[nocturne solstice]

You know how like, red-x you take no damage and its very brain off while 5:1 requires a counter plugin, running around and you still take damage?

[tiny epoch]

it doesnt require a counter

[nocturne solstice]

You learned 5:1 without a counter? impressive

[tiny epoch]

i didnt but it doesnt require

& u gain 16% damage like

abit weird to say its worse

[nocturne solstice]

Well there's a lot more downsides isnt there

[tiny epoch]

is 1:0 olm better than 4:1?

wws

[nocturne solstice]

You take damage and its a lot more effort for 16% dmg when you could brain off and take 0 dmg, it is what it is.

wtf is a 1:0 olm

[tiny epoch]

running back and forth on the melee hand so u hit once every 16 ticks

and take 0 hits

[nocturne solstice]

whats the % difference on that and is it brain off?

[tiny epoch]

6t redx is wose than 5:1 because i like it less

[nocturne solstice]

So it was personal preference all along

Well you could always turn on quiet prayers and do 5:1 again

get that +20 invo

[tiny epoch]

no its not personal preference its 16% damage

ur argument is personal preference because u want to 'brain off'

baba change has nothing to do with qp, zebak & warden p2 are still the gatekeepers for that invo

im being facetious its clear to anyone with eyes to see that a method that gains u that much damage is better

[nocturne solstice]

You just said its worse because you like it less, thats preference

[tiny epoch]

i was being facetious

its better because it does 16% more dam simple as that

[nocturne solstice]

If you say so

[tiny epoch]

i dont just say so its true

[rare grotto]

Tell me u don't know 5:1 without telling me u dont know 5:1

[kindred pier]

why would you need a counter, it has very intuitive visual queues

[nocturne solstice]

The very first thing I said was "barely anyone knew you existed"

[kindred pier]

slams the ground, why would you need a metrome to tell you that

[rare grotto]

The entry is literally fang into fang + click under

[kindred pier]

rocket science

[rare grotto]

Need cheat plugins for that imo

Also the 6t setup also requires u to step under for 3 ticks

So the arguments kinda nonsensical

[nocturne solstice]

what argument, there was no argument nor is there any point

both are kaput

[kindred pier]

qps problem was never baba

[kindred pier]

yes it's "brain off" though I don't think the game should be designed with brain off in mind, removing damage taken by baba is doing exactly that

[stuck mauve]

so the solution is to remove baba room cause its a babad room

[kindred pier]

imo, remove the ability to step under baba more than 3 times and call it a day

[stuck mauve]

real?

[kindred pier]

keep damage taken

[hidden locust]

gm gangers

[stuck mauve]

gm

[nocturne solstice]

I wouldnt say it was designed with red-x in mind. Thats why they patched it, people got mad, then they added it back in during the first couple of weeks

[hidden locust]

emergent gameplay good

[nocturne solstice]

Although the patched it part mightve been an accidental patch iirc

[kindred pier]

I'd be fine with that too tbf

with the reduced damage from baba, it's largely fine

removing damage taken from baba removes depth from the raid, which it already is starved from

there's almost 0 relevant mechanics in the raid

the only invocations that actually do anything are insanity, dt&kb, gap, ovls, dehydro

insanity you canjust go to the back and you don't even need to think on that

[meager flame]

im ngl

i think they should just rework baba so its actually a boss room

but i understand what is happening

ultimately its bad rn and it will be bad after the change but

almost everyone doing baba experiences why its bad in its current state

relatively few people will lose a reason to do 5:1 since almost nobody does it thats doing toa

not really the kind of change you want to see though

this is definitely one of those times where they're trading something a few relatively higher end players are doing to fix the boss for the other 99% of people doing it

also unrelated

its crazy how they just blocked out time with fixes behind the scenes changes betas and the excuse of not wanting to do anything in preparation for a bigger release

so we're just gonna sit here getting no game updates for like 2 months after yama lol

at least the rebalance stuff is coming out

[kindred pier]

Yeah, it kind of needs a rework, the bandaid they're doing now is bad. Since (probably) like 90% of the people are just doing 6t fang, it's not really a good way to do the boss so in that regard it's a welcome change I suppose for many, but it's almost just removing the boss. It's a change that does not fix the actual problem with the boss, and as it exists currently, it's not fixable either.

The normal redx is too easy to pull off, for "not that much loss" (compared to say olm where 1:0 is just trolling).

[rare grotto]

but like this is just a consequence of their design philosophy

toa has flawed boss design because they want to make it accessible

bandaid on bandaid doesn't make the raid better

[hasty shard]

monkeys will unironically be the boss room after changes 😭

[tiny epoch]

theyre also removing 2 waves of monkeys & making you 1shot shamans

there is no boss in the path of apmeken

[errant plover]

Hm zuk man spoke fire

[raw bramble]

was there any mention about varlamore achievement diary?

[tacit wharf]

no but i do remember a mod saying they wanted to add after val was completely finished

[raw bramble]

so i assume that will be a lil after the varlamore 3 update

[tawny tide]

What would the reward be?

A prayer?

[stuck mauve]

a prayer for every non mega rare owner yes

[tawny tide]

Wdym

[hard axle]

https://tenor.com/view/bmw-drift-drifting-cars-driftcars-gif-25180716

All I want out of sailing

[hard axle]

Yup

First goal should always be a good boss fight and then you can focus on the damage and numbers after

It’s like how olm and Verzik has been relatively unchanged since release

At most some fixes like teleports not being in wakanda

[true talon]

Pretty sure they walked back on this, because it did not get added lol.

Considering he put this teleport in fucking narinia and placed a bomb ontop of it

[hard axle]

Don’t run away from tp after it spawns and then cry about it

I see people do this shit so often

[true talon]

i didnt run from it, i got teleported there and while clicking to run to it, it moved me out

it was on other side of the room

i was at my brew over there lol

reason i ran off the teleport, is because he put a bomb on it then teleported me to it XD

[hard axle]

wait

so the issue wasn't a 15+ tile teleport

it was just a bomb on the teleport?

this is not at all what I was saying

originally you could've gotten 15+ tile tp even if you were moving towards it

[true talon]

they said that the teleport would spawn close to you

that is not close to you lol

[hard axle]

i remember them saying you would always be able to reach it

if you reacted fast enough

beforehand there were times where you couldn't no matter how fast or coincidental you were to approaching it

[true talon]

nah they planned to make the teleport closer to you, but felt that prob was bit to much as it made the mechanic way to easy

[hard axle]

Olm's portal swap special now spawns a portal within 10 tiles of players in a solo encounter.

https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/chambers-of-xeric-potential-tweaks--changes?oldschool=1

Yeah they said nothing about it being super close like 1 tick away, just that they would limit it so you could practice 4:1 and not get yeeted

[true talon]

it doesnt say anything about 10 tiles

[hard axle]

post release blog notes

https://i.imgur.com/zsqelqe.png

this phrase is also incorrect since verzik p3 does the same

[errant plover]

toa is good just need to completely rework the boss

[chrome lantern]

Nah ToA sucks

[frail nebula]

nah

toa good

[warm epoch]

Which phrase

[hard axle]

one of theo nly

[warm epoch]

Is it not one of the only

[shadow wave]

"one of" not "the" only

[tawny tide]

What do you like in the game lol

[hard axle]

nope

[thick beacon]

i got exicted thought they released cox blog just now

[tribal adder]

Has the changes they mentioned of huey. Been released yet?

3x dry on wand here. Could use the help....

[tacit wharf]

no but would expect that to go live next week with most of things

[rain fulcrum]

Why would you farm for the wand before they make it 3x common

But no it's not out

[tribal adder]

I did that like 2 months ago. Before they even announced it

Sheesh not everyone can just see the future

[tacit wharf]

had 3 in my 320 solo kc

[hard axle]

Get baited

[stuck mauve]

[pine juniper]

bank ui update ☹️ when

[warm epoch]

Is it one of many?

[hard axle]

[stuck mauve]

[tawny tide]

https://tenor.com/view/shannon-sharpe-undisputed-nope-funny-face-gif-536487951695337499

[chrome lantern]

Raids that aren’t ToA; DT2 bosses; skills that aren’t slayer, thieving, or fletching; bosses that aren’t moons or barrows or locked behind slayer tasks

[tawny tide]

Okay okay that’s a lot of stuff

[warm epoch]

then what is it

[stuck mauve]

[rare grotto]

nah they said this would be the case

but it's deffo not 10 tiles

still bugged wcyd

[hard axle]

verzik + ice demon are the two cases, and is why shadow is even relevant during p2

ice demon isn't theo nly case

[hard axle]

I think it is 10 tiles, but the portal doesnt show up until 2t later

so u could end up running away from it

[warm epoch]

it doesnt say it is

[hard axle]

"which is also one of the only instance"

if ur talking about verzik, ash confirmed it on twitter

[warm epoch]

"one of the only"

not "the only"

[hard axle]

maybe

probably

[stuck mauve]

possibly

[errant plover]

[meager flame]

ya i think this is what happens

i've gone back and watched clips that seemed crazy only to realize it just spawned max range as i happened to be moving in the opposite direction so it looks wrong

im surprised they didn't just tighten it up slightly more than that

[stuck quest]

Does anyone know how 500-600 invo toa purples scale? Post update

[hard axle]

Yep, 4t after the 2nd attack iirc

and then portal flashes shows up on tick 6-7

[timid talon]

I see the varlamore final dawn image has a snek in it so… snek pet when?

[stuck mauve]

soon

[chrome lantern]

Bring back original snakeling

[keen reef]

Toa changes early jly now?

july*

[plush gull]

next week

[dire mural]

am i trippin or are these new servers worse

[ember token]

the former

[stuck mauve]

so ledz just has to tie their shoes?

[ember token]

yeah

[dire mural]

idk i keep dcing after they did the change and ping seems higher

[tacit wharf]

if only there were a thread like #1384487745505984512

[broken sluice]

jagex launcher wont load for me... 😭

[tawny tide]

Where would you even find that

[dire mural]

If only i had seen that

[tacit wharf]

#1022203837265756231

[fair comet]

Hi Parana, you can try asking in #technical-support

[small anvil]

I've had variable ping

seems better now than it was

[fair comet]

I actually enjoyed the Agility Dungeon in Brimhaven. But I was very disappointed in the XP drop when I cashed in my tickets

[small anvil]

yeah it's meh xp

brimhaven isnt bad for like look away for a while

[frail nebula]

it's nice to do other stuff during

like fletching

[thick beacon]

scaling seems to be pretty linear can infer i guess based off this

linear now*

seems like doing a 600 would be worse chance still then current 500 based on this

[tiny epoch]

will invo scaling go up to 600 though?

currently invo scaling caps at 550 right

& 600 just adds hp for more points compared to 550 scale

[dark token]

nothing annoys me more than prepping ur backpack with specific items and accidentally pressing deposit inventory

[stuck mauve]

does this mean that shadow will be worth 2b now

or 1.3b

[vestal jetty]

Shadow is expensive to use, it will stay as it is

[errant plover]

Idt maintenance cost is what will determine shadows price most likely relevancy in pvm and rarity

[gleaming horizon]

Isn’t the whole point that it’s less total purple chance but when it’s purple it’s a better purple, for those higher invos?

[tiny epoch]

not even better

mask is like 1/4th of a fang rn

[chrome lantern]

I did the math and it shifts from current weights by a good amount but in 500s shadow is 16% rarer than live and masori is 20% rarer than live

[obsidian venture]

Nerf lower invos too

[violet sigil]

remove medic invocation

[obsidian venture]

Ngl idm medic

[floral blaze]

So when can we expect to hear anything about the Jagex community events

[tawny tide]

Wdym

[idle rapids]

It was rlly good exp when you were able to hop worlds

Like 90k xp/hr, wish they didnt get rid of that

[glossy jewel]

What combat changes will go live next week? They said "some" in the blog. Was there some more info or are we just finding out after update?

[still sundial]

wasn't specified

we find out next week

[kindred pier]

that's honestyl a fair point, having it try to be accessible kinda fucked the entire raid over

[frail bough]

dont think thats mutually inclusive

tob entry shows that IMO

you can still have/show mechanics making it accessible without making it actually "hard"

[chrome lantern]

Sure, if you also give it the appropraite level of loot, like entry

20% the loot of normal mode and no purples at all

Yet they refuse to lower normal uniques in ToA

There's a reason nobody does entry beyond the quest and maybe practicing timing for 5t xarp or something

[frail bough]

right but boss designs aren't flawed because they wanted to make it super accessible - those have nothing to do with eachother

it includes more things than just "accessibility" - people say that it ruined the raid but thats not the case because there are things that can be adjusted, keeping it accessible, without the raid being ruined (which is what you just pointed out by saying we could adjust loots and stuff more on the lower end of invocations)

people like to blame its accessibility as an issue but its not an issue if the reasons for people thinking that get addressed

tldr - its entirely possible for them to redo boss designs/mechanics and still have it be accessible

[meager flame]

tbh i think toa just absolutely succeeded at everything then jagex went with too much of a good thing and allowed their players to solve for their own struggle and they didnt have fun

[hasty shard]

yeah we have cox

[meager flame]

all the higher invos did was allow people to pinpoint the moment where they could still do the raid but it was a little too punishing for them to actually enjoy it

[hasty shard]

i dont really like when they make 'learner' content because it implies what is currently in the game is insanely obfuscated or doesnt work well

[chrome lantern]

Jagex has heard you and decided to make the raid easier for people without shadows and nerf only high invoc players only

[hasty shard]

like do we need learner content? yeah
but toa is like ?

[meager flame]

like if we had never been able to push it that far

and had instead focused on 350 speeds or whatever

people would like toa more

[hasty shard]

cox is like braindead to get into and is probably more accessible than toa

[obsidian venture]

Accessibility is definitely a factor as to what content feels half assed on release

Like they do better when they focus a target audience

[meager flame]

jagex just needs to understand that they dont need to do sliding difficulty scales

[obsidian venture]

Royal titans was perfect for midgame, and endgame players loved optimizing it even though it wasn’t for them

[meager flame]

they need to have two difficulty modes and maybe a third that they add later

[chrome lantern]

If you actually look at the changes they're making, they're just solely catering to the bofa lmao

[meager flame]

so they can appropriately reward both

[chrome lantern]

Obelisk is going to be weak to standard ranged in p1 too

[hasty shard]

titans is like the epitome of a jagex update
its almost perfect on every aspect
but it just has to be missing a music track

[hasty shard]

i didnt notice this lol

look i am a bowfa defender honestly

shit has avoided every instance of powercreep pretty much

[frail bough]

i think honestly the biggest thing for me is that, instead of them going back and fixing toa with things like this and making it "less accessible" is that its "solved" by releasing another raid with learned mistakes rather than fixing the original issue.

[hasty shard]

taking collateral from dizana's bp exclusion

[obsidian venture]

They also struggle with team and solo content. Focus one. Yama was pushed as a duo endgame boss for months. Mod Goblin even said they missed the mark in that it was easier than anticipated. It fails on the duo aspect as well

[hasty shard]

like bowfa barely exists for what its designed for now

it kind of just IS a midgame range weapon now instead of filling niches between tbow/bp

[obsidian venture]

Toa fails in teams, the invos don’t even make a change sometimes

[meager flame]

they do this constantly

[obsidian venture]

Was focused on solo and failed in teams, but people run the latter because it’s more brain off and higher chance

[meager flame]

they fuck up and say ayeee we'll get em next time

[frail bough]

yeah its literally the whole game :/

[obsidian venture]

Cox and tob, released almost a decade ago is unbeaten

[meager flame]

instead of just actually fixing things

[frail bough]

which like, sort of works, but then we get in this weird spot like we are now with a bunch of toa changes that don't fix the main things people have been talking about for the last 3 years

which is mostly summarized in the last 10 minutes of text here

[obsidian venture]

Toa would have been great if they added newer invos every 3 months

Instead of stupid hp/def scaling

[meager flame]

toa would be an absolute monstrocity if they had been doing that every 3 months lmao

[obsidian venture]

Zzz raid

About to make it more zzz

[hasty shard]

remember how giants foundry was meant to get new moulds

[obsidian venture]

And not as worth running higher invos

[meager flame]

also the loot scaling stuff is like a totally separate problem where jagex played themselves

you just shouldn't be able to scale loot up by that much to begin with

[solar gale]

I mean theres just gonna be a new cut off point for speed vs purp chance

which is fine

[hasty shard]

i wonder how toa would be currently if they just. didnt change it since release

[solar gale]

500s getting 14% purple chance or whatever was extremely silly

[hasty shard]

quiet prayers being 40 invo, chaos being somewhat decent, warden core differences etc

[meager flame]

remember when the dhw was going to get added to another item to make it stronger

[chrome lantern]

I think the problem is that they're making it significantly more raids to complete without actually addressing any of the real issues fully

[meager flame]

pepperidge farm remembers

[hasty shard]

as cool as an idea of adding content to be useful later is, they don't tend to do the later 😭

[chrome lantern]

Like in 500s it's now going to be 16% rarer to get a shadow and 20% rarer to get masori

[solar gale]

I do wish the defenses got capped at +150% at a 375+

would be nice

[hasty shard]

see: whatever the fuck the double hit stab weapon they're adding is

[chrome lantern]

And that's a slap in the face to anyone that didn't finish the raid log yet

[hasty shard]

that might actually be the most useless weapon in the game I actually cannot list where you would use this

[chrome lantern]

My iron is over 4x dry on chaps

[meager flame]

i just hope they learned something about how scaling works and to maybe consider not doing that

[solar gale]

swag bonus and snand crabs

[edgy hinge]

No freezes and snares in bounty hunter whoo voted for that?🤨

[hasty shard]

why sand crabs though

[solar gale]

I did

[meager flame]

everyone that wanted bh

[hasty shard]

if you can kill those naguas you can just.. kill sulphur naguas lol

[meager flame]

you can just go nh anywhere

[hasty shard]

which drop sulphur blades
which are actually useful sort of

[solar gale]

you will likely be able to equip the item before you want to go fight naugas

unless you are an iron

[edgy hinge]

Its just what you sign for when you enter bounty hunter atleast thats what it used to be

[solar gale]

which yes is prolly useless tehre

[edgy hinge]

You can pvp in wildy

[hasty shard]

you can also just like. equip sulphur blades
or temotli (kind of wish these didnt pass too but it at least ""has"" a niche)
or rat mace
or a dsword

[chrome lantern]

I voted no on all 3 nagua weapons and would again

[hasty shard]

the main reason i hate temotlis is huey tail phase

if temotlis didnt exist that probably wouldnt either

[chrome lantern]

Reasonable argument

[hasty shard]

your weapon option would be limited to torags hammers 😭

[obsidian venture]

Shoutout to sulphurs at tob

[small anvil]

Macs

[hasty shard]

if you get maracas

you can get better gear than hueys stuff 😭

[hasty shard]

the one reason im not flaming sulphurs

[small anvil]

Huey hides are like slightly better than blessed hides right

[hasty shard]

eh

you can get eclipse is my point

you aren't exactly skipping god hide grind either way

[small anvil]

Ah true, same dungeon lol

[hasty shard]

crystal armour pipeline too

huey is getting rebalanced at least so im just kinda flaming for no reason

but as it stands

[violet sigil]

you get the god hide for gwd1 protection

thats about it

eclipse moon armour is bae

[rare grotto]

tob entry has barely any mechanics

if tob entry was the base mode and u'd have to add modifiers before it gets any depth it would face the same criticisms as toa rn

not to mention tob entry excludes u from having purps because it's so watered down

(toa does not do this)

[frail bough]

maybe im misremembering, what mechanics doesn't tob entry have that tob does?

[shadow wave]

Tob entry basically just has Verzik P2

Every other mechanic does so little damage in entry it's a non factor

[rare grotto]

sote maze is also not there in solos iirc

[chrome lantern]

It scales down to 1, Nylo boss switches slower, nylo waves stall almost instantly, no solo maze

[frail bough]

i think sote maze not being in solo entry mode makes a lot of sense

if maze is gone entirely then that would make sense (as a mehcanic thats not in there)

[hasty shard]

you also just blaze through it too much

[austere mulch]

Maze exists but it’s just the chosen part of it

[frail bough]

but jsut because you go fast, dont take al ot of damage, or w/e doesn't mean the mechancis dont exist

[austere mulch]

Once you exit the portal, it’s done

[chrome lantern]

Really the big thing is that you just don't need to engage with like any of the mechanics

[hasty shard]

like its so scaled down it makes me wish it wasnt the full nylo room

[chrome lantern]

Like in entry you get 1 red nylo per player in the raid in maiden with 16 hp per player in the raid

[rare grotto]

tob entry mode was done right because it's turbo easy but u cant get any rewards from it. If u wanna just see how the raid goes, u can

[chrome lantern]

Or maybe it was 20hp but idr

[rare grotto]

toa 0-350 is piss easy cause u have infinite lives, and mechanics cant kill you but u still get significant purp %

[austere mulch]

They def went too far with the scaling on waves lmao

Absolute slog

[frail bough]

infinite lives means nothing because nobody would ever be able to take advantage of that in a way that it would make sense

[rare grotto]

labbing story mode waves seems fun tho funnily enough

[austere mulch]

Tensor & yugi went hard there

[hasty shard]

like idk let me skip nylos id rather just learn zik in normals

not even a nylo hater its just the longest room in entry

[austere mulch]

Don’t think they’ve posted vids tho (publicly)

[chrome lantern]

To be fair though they did make entry ToB better from its original version

[rare grotto]

tensor the nylo goat ngl

[chrome lantern]

Originally, Xarpus was different timing so it was worthless to try to learn actual timings

Same with several other rooms

[hasty shard]

oh did they fix that

lol

flame set to low

[meager flame]

my main issue with entry tob is that it was a total waste of time

[austere mulch]

Yeah entry is generally really great for what it needs to be. Learn to melee Xarp, practice p1 charts - particularly 3t these days, learn to melee p2 and tank / pogtank p3

Learn maze skips

[meager flame]

if they wanted practice mode they should just let you load up whatever boss in tob with the normal stats to fight for no rewards

[violet sigil]

is it a total waste of time if it lets you learn shit

[austere mulch]

Learn bloat methods

[meager flame]

but instead they were like

lets make this big story mode event out of it and make it its own mode that nobody would ever actually keep doing

[violet sigil]

honestly not sure how tob is

was not fun for me

[meager flame]

just to make it as annoying as possible to to get practice

[violet sigil]

no friends either

[chrome lantern]

Can we talk for a moment about the "Quest" of A Night at the Theater on release

[violet sigil]

god bless cox

[chrome lantern]

If you know, you know

[violet sigil]

for being literally the perfect raid

[hasty shard]

i want raids 4 to be like cms tbh

[austere mulch]

Hopefully you give tob another try admittedly though, it’s pretty frustrating if you’re just ffa’ing with randoms

[chrome lantern]

The "Quest" that was so much NOT a quest that they literally revoked completion of it for everyone that did it on release lmao

[hasty shard]

i dont think puzzle rooms are bad when they are made good

[austere mulch]

Or it can be*

[violet sigil]

too bad toa was bad

[hasty shard]

real

[meager flame]

i do think cox is the closest raid to being perfect somehow

it does have its problems though

[violet sigil]

weird opinion

[meager flame]

it was the warning for scaling

[austere mulch]

We just need keiren back in the trenches for raids 4

[hasty shard]

i actually think they learnt from toa when making colo invos tbh

[violet sigil]

how would ya'll like a raid

[hasty shard]

then yama happened

[violet sigil]

similar to how rs3 does elite dungeons

[hasty shard]

im for it

[meager flame]

like i play rs3

[hasty shard]

i have a chicken scratch concept for an elite dungeon style raid

let me see if i have it

[rare grotto]

elite dungeons dont work in osrs

[violet sigil]

elite dungeons generally being a long stretch of mobs / mini bosses to the boss

[hasty shard]

fuck no i dont its on my other pc

[rare grotto]

boss rush design is best

[austere mulch]

Yama contracts def felt like they were crunched on time and threw it together borrowing ideas from invocations that… nobody likes

They’re in a much better spot now tho at least

[chrome lantern]

Also reminder that contracts were entirely unpolled

[violet sigil]

how would they not though

other then certain shit

[meager flame]

tob is really good it just completely fails the like

learner experience

[chrome lantern]

Because people are too afraid to learn

[austere mulch]

And quiver, surge pot, and horn didn’t release as polled

😭

[chrome lantern]

There's plenty of resources out

[meager flame]

where i think cox is way way better about getting people into the raid

yeah i mean you can do it but we can see people don't

and that is an issue

[austere mulch]

People do, just not to the same scale

Which is expected

[chrome lantern]

I think it's good tbh

[austere mulch]

If that’s the expectation, then that’s fine

If it’s not, then it’s a problem

[meager flame]

im pretty sure that jagex would generally never want that to happen again

look what they just did to yama trying to rope in a bunch of people that aren't even doing pvm

[austere mulch]

Maybe not to the same degree, no

[rare grotto]

it's cox but u had to kill goblins in between each room

doesn't rly sound fun

it's fun in RS3 only because u can optimize pathing etc

[austere mulch]

But they’re also not blind to the fact that, outside of numbers boosted from accessibility, tob is generally considered the best raid by players who have experience at all 3

[meager flame]

they also dont want to create whatever they did with toa again where like

[austere mulch]

They just need to find a middle ground

[meager flame]

the intro experience is honestly great but the system itself just doesn't actually support

everyone after that in a healthy way

[austere mulch]

Or don’t - and let there be those differences

[meager flame]

yeah its basically cox

that is the middle ground

at least for them

[austere mulch]

The only hard part is justifying the dev time to investors

[meager flame]

cox just gives you all of the things you need no matter who you are but at the same time doesn't actually baby you or introduce the worst scaling of all time

you can learn with people you can learn solo you dont get yeeted instantly for a failure

etc

but at the end of the day you do have to do the raid at the intended difficulty

[hasty shard]

my two cents
if they balance raids 4 like they did yama it will be so ass

[austere mulch]

Aren’t tob death fees removed up until a certain kc now

[hasty shard]

leaving shit in like a donofly for raids 4 would just bog it down so much imo

[austere mulch]

Or are they just reduced

[meager flame]

i dont even really know if people care about the fees

its more about the time loss

[austere mulch]

I see what you mean

[meager flame]

like imagine you got to olm and tried to practice 3:0

failed

[austere mulch]

Tob but wipe in room = reset the room

[meager flame]

and then had to reclear all of cox to try again

[hasty shard]

tob deaths are also nothing like

[chrome lantern]

Not waived but tob fees are just 100k

[hasty shard]

100k

[austere mulch]

And you can choose to leave the raid

ATP

You lose the gp sink tho

[hasty shard]

not getting to tele out mid tob is honestly really weird

[austere mulch]

Unless it’s like

Certain amount of deaths or room wipes = raid wipe

[meager flame]

i think they were just kind of

[hasty shard]

add it as a master ca reward

[meager flame]

a little too into the idea of punishing players with tob

and thought that was what people wanted because thats generally how people talk

but then players actually got what they asked for

and jagex found out that usually players dont rise to the challenge they just quit

as devs find out in most games

[hasty shard]

like, you can! with the weird crystal

but -1 slot and it basically costs as much as the deaths

i say weird crystal but its the hcim crash crystal now ofc

[chrome lantern]

That may or may not save an HCIM from death on d/c

[austere mulch]

Can’t tele out of cox either, but it’s a safe death for hcim so doesn’t matter lol

[hasty shard]

you can just leave cc to get out of cox can't you?

[chrome lantern]

psure escape crystal works for hcgim in cox

[meager flame]

it does

[hasty shard]

escape crystal works everywhere p sure

[austere mulch]

It does ye

Meant conventional teleport

[meager flame]

it does not work everywhere actually

[hasty shard]

what!!

if you say 30+ wildy

i s2g

[meager flame]

yeah acoldone was doing a quest

and got a nice surprise

[hasty shard]

ic

[meager flame]

and had to remake his hc

[austere mulch]

Bet that was an “oops” on Jagex part

[meager flame]

ya it was fighting the thing during dt2 the stranger or whatever its called for that quest

funny way to go though ngl

[hasty shard]

that fight is toxic tbh

doing it on release i had to flinch it cause i didnt have two styles

and it shoves u in that locker so

tf am i meant to do

they patched out the flinching

[stuck mauve]

when you learn solos these death fees really add up, mess up redemption at maiden - dead
get the redemption off at maiden but blood spawn runs through you at the same time - dead
you noodle at nylo room - dead
you forget to take off your gloves during maze skip - dead
you panic at xarpus - dead
and much more

and of course the million bloodfury charges that you use up along with it

[warm storm]

i don't think anyone doing solo tob cares at all about 100k

[obsidian venture]

Even Colo deaths at 500k have people insta sending

Deaths don’t matter too much if the content is fun

[stuck mauve]

not everyone is rich okay!

[tacit wharf]

maybe one should rethink doing that content then, till they can afford it

[jagged marsh]

solo tob is not for the faint of heart

[stuck mauve]

its actually profitable long term

people with 2b banks can do it and make big moneys

its just that the initial learning cost is 100m or more/less depending

death fees, scy charges, bloodfury charges

blood shards are cheap atm

basically oathplate acquisiton contracts and solo tobs are one of the best money makers right now, albeit oathplate acquisiton contracts are around triple the profit, but tob is more fun so it depends on what you're looking for

[tacit wharf]

id say u have 2 options then: the one mentioned above or get good 🤷

[stuck mauve]

that is true

do you guys think that ely and justicar will be useful for delve boss when doing wave 8 repeatedly without banking

[tacit wharf]

the way of runescape is and always has, kill it before it kills you

faster you kill it, the less likely it will/can kill you

[stuck mauve]

but what if there will be chip damage and Ely/Justi would make it round down to 0

[jagged marsh]

its kinda the case with almost every boss unless it has forced damage that you need to tank/block

i.e; moons

[stuck mauve]

will demonbane and salve work on mokaihutl

[jagged marsh]

demonbane, void, salve and slayer helm all work at the same time

[stuck mauve]

😱

[jagged marsh]

ends up pushing absolute booty cheeks for stats too XD

[hard axle]

Probably. Demonbane and dragonbane content all end up being super accessible for obvious reasons.

[stuck mauve]

true

[ember token]

erm ackshually its not undead so salve wont work on it

[hard axle]

Erm ackshually, you’re undead so salve will work on you

https://tenor.com/view/dog-dog-staring-at-sun-cute-dog-dog-closed-eyes-dog-staring-at-sunset-gif-10310895250239531072

[ember token]

https://tenor.com/view/british-cop-screaming-screaming-sad-gif-1879411192175791821

[hard axle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/510662236696608770/1383180704849985608/OrangeMonkeyIfIBeatHimIntoShape.gif

[sand gazelle]

I think this is a very cheap investment if you want to get justiciar just in case. That would be a crazy curve ball

[jagged marsh]

It would probably end up in a tier below pre rework wildy bosses

[austere mulch]

Outside of the dmg reduction, Justi is not meaningfully tankier than Torva, so no

So you’re basically betting on the dmg reduction to 1. Work and 2. Be impactful enough to be worth having it

You kinda see this at vard where Justi is technically better than bandos because the healing, but it’s still comfortably worse than Torva bc Torva is very tank and you kill faster

[hasty shard]

oh are solos bis now

huge???

[serene turret]

would be nice since they're doing summer sweep ups for a transmog for sire/cerberus pets 😮 always wondered why they didn't match the boss 😒

[solar gale]

right why isn't my baron pet 80% wall

[tired bluff]

yo devs yall broke dragon slayer 1

hes stuck in this corner and the stalagmites in that area are able to just walk through em

i cant flinch it like thissssssssss

well, u can flinch it still but ye that corner of the map is def bugged

[stuck mauve]

true

[stuck mauve]

duos and trios are close in terms of gp/hr but you need to find efficient 1-2 people

easier too since if you die the raid can still be completed

[serene turret]

Now we’re cooking 👨🏻‍🍳

[hasty shard]

true

[stuck mauve]

real

[cursive vector]

Are huey changes supposed to come out next week, or with the second batch of summer sweep up?

[normal gorge]

With the changes to Duke coming in the summer sweep up, I had an idea that maybe jagex could look into for gauntlet. Make it so you have the option to fight additional hunleffs in the same instance with the gear you have leftover from the first kill. Once experienced its quite easy to be able to have extra supplies even with t1 prep to be able to do a 2nd kill. Maybe even possible to do 3 or 4 kills with a really good t2 or t3 prep..

This would save some time on the grind to enh seed or pet as well because of not having to re-prep your whole set up every time as a reward for learning the content

[small anvil]

<@&385422009930219520> ?

[austere mulch]

Cool idea

Kinda sounds like repeatable delve lvl 8

Make it so you risk your loot if you fail or tele from the extra fight

[thick beacon]

id love to do more hunleif/less cg prep personally💯

[tawny tide]

#1022203837265756231

[stuck mauve]

might be like colosseum where you cant tele mid wave

[jagged marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/space-ghost-power-ray-blast-force-gif-20120020

[final frigate]

@winter hearth is there a reason why baba who only attacks with 1 style and is generally a simpler fight is doing 0 damage now while akkha who requires tribrid and also attacks with all 3 styles and has more involved/more punishing specs keeps chip damage? if anything shouldn't it be the other way round, with baba keeping chip and akkha doing 0?

reducing baba chip would be fine but i'm not sure on the reasoning why it was made to 0 specifically

seeing that jagex are fine with just reducing chip on akkha

seems backwards imo

[tiny epoch]

i think the change to allow bflying with range puts akkha in a really good spot

very disappointed in the state of baba tho

[nocturne solstice]

Yeah but thats only because of 5:1

Baba chip was super oppresive

[tiny epoch]

in lower invos its fine

in teams its fine

[nocturne solstice]

Your guild tag is funny lmao, nice

[tiny epoch]

dont think its unreasonable for solo high level content to require more complicated methods

my wow guild

shoutout cope-frostmourne

[nocturne solstice]

I dont think its unreasonable either, im surprised they went with 0 dmg instead of just reduced scaling

I assume they have their reasons like too many mechanics being ignored when we do 5:1 or red-x or something

[tiny epoch]

reducing scaling for baba autos specifically would be a really good change

5:1 you get all mechanics tho

[nocturne solstice]

While in akkha you steal deal with the simon says, moving quadrants, and depending on invos, the orbs during simon says

[tiny epoch]

in fact u want to intentionally tank extra autos in p1 to proc monkeys at a good time

[nocturne solstice]

i sitll believe the distribution was like, majority didnt do any technique, most did red-x, few did 5:1. This change was probably intended as a red-x killer.

[tiny epoch]

why is that though

like theres a million solo olm or special skip guides out there

why is it theres 2 5:1 guides on youtube

from small content creators

[nocturne solstice]

We disagree philosphically on that point and I dont think you'll ever agree on why red-x is preferred so we can just skip that point 🙃

[tiny epoch]

i think theres definitely a chicken & egg problem, people dont know about the method or maybe have only heard it described as a really difficult high level method

so people dont do it so people dont talk about it so people dont know about it so people dont do it ♾️

[nocturne solstice]

I think its moreso red-x lets you avoid all the damage and mechanics so people prefer it for a safer and more chill experience. Most considerit worth it for the 16% dmg loss tradeoff you mention.

Plus in teams your buddies are making up for that damage.

Its like, why would i learn a harder method to get 1 extra hit in when I risk massive damage in a raid where I always have deadly prayers on and possibly dehydration?

Its for those reasons people dont learn it, dont teach it, and dont recommend it.

[tiny epoch]

theres no risk though, you just swap to 6:0 once your hp drops

you risk 15 damage

[final frigate]

Even solos people could at least be facetanking until low and then swap to 6:0

For balance of both max recline and less dps loss

But people just 6:0 camping 70hp and complain baba's a slog

I tested facetanking baba in 430s with torso and dhide chaps and got her down to like 15%

[nocturne solstice]

Thats just saying do 5:1 until red-x is better

[final frigate]

Eating every punch the whole fight

[nocturne solstice]

damn need more sims for me to do calcs without logging in

[tiny epoch]

yeah which means do it the whole fight usually or do it until mid p3 if ur unlucky

or do it until like p2 if u make mistakes

[nocturne solstice]

So again, why bother when you do red-x anyway?

[tiny epoch]

u definitely shouldnt chance urself to keep 5:1ing

becuase you 5:1 for most or all of the fight

udually all

[nocturne solstice]

Here's how i understood what you just said despite saying "theres no risk though".

You take constant risk until it's too risky, at which you do red-x which is safe.

[tiny epoch]

whats the constant risk

baba max hit is 15

u 5:1 until ur hp is below 16

[nocturne solstice]

ah i did think what you said about 15 is srtange

Its not 15 isnt it? That doesnt account for path lvls

[tiny epoch]

pretty sure its 15 in a 545 level 2

[nocturne solstice]

i calc'd a 300 and it was 15 ish so that sounds weird

[tiny epoch]

dont think ive seen her hit a 16

[nocturne solstice]

could just be lucky

Does the path calcs come with or after the invo calc?

545 does give 150% which is not too different from 300s giving 120%

It does seem to be about 18.45 dmg tho

[tiny epoch]

in reality if u have under 20 hp i will redempt divine super combat to heal up & keep going

so unless im under 10 i will keep tanking hits

[nocturne solstice]

Thats you, i dont think thats common nor something everyone wants to learn to have to do

When they can just you know, red-x and not worry at all

[final frigate]

It's the same as turning range pray off at kephri until you're like 20 hp

And baba doesn't hit that hard at low invo anyway

[nocturne solstice]

why are we mentioning low invo at all

are you guys doing 5:1 at low invo instead of tanking it?

[tiny epoch]

if i was doing toa on a baby iron or whatever i might figure it what the 4tick cycle looks like & do that

[nocturne solstice]

Is this something you've actually done or is this just a what if scenario?

Because if it's a what if scenario it'd be more likely that they'd just not bother and tank the 6 chip damage at low invo.

[tiny epoch]

ive only got one account & didnt learn 5:1 until after starting farming 500s

but now i have that knowledge so if i was on a low level account

id probably use it

0 reason not to

[nocturne solstice]

Why? its not necessary. Are you gunna keep doing 5:1 after the baba changes?

Itll be just as unnecessary

[tiny epoch]

yeah probably just for something to do

more interesting than stand there 1t flicking for 3 mins

see how we go

[nocturne solstice]

Then that means the changes dont affect how you play and its fine then

[tiny epoch]

its a very different thing

doing random things for style points

vs executing a boss properly

[nocturne solstice]

it was already for style points

[final frigate]

Cause most people do low invos and they have the loudest complaints

Just go into a 350 and try hitting baba man she does not slap that hard at all

And as nexy said if you're doing high invo then ofc it can demand learning extra tech

Especially since it's a soloable raid

[nocturne solstice]

are you calling 350 a low invo? what are you considering low, mid, and high invo?

[final frigate]

<400 low 400-500 mid 500+ high

<300 tutorial

Similar to entry tob

Especially considering you can do those with no fang no bowfa

Even mid 300s

[nocturne solstice]

Id call that a pretty elitist take and entirely not representative of the general playerbase or the devs

[final frigate]

I'm thinking based on the gear and skill required

Pre 400 you don't need fang or bowfa, doable with zhasta and rcb dhide

[nocturne solstice]

by skill do you mean player skill or stats

[final frigate]

As you near 400 or 400+ fang and decent range weap becomes very nice

500+ not having shadow sucks balls

Thus the splits

[final frigate]

Player

My opinion on the split is irrelevant anyway

[tiny epoch]

5:1 isnt for style points its for speed

[final frigate]

I can just say 350s if you'd prefer

Baba at 350s does not hit you hard

[nocturne solstice]

Well thats fine and all but we're talking about even 545 not hitting hard

[final frigate]

People should not be doing much 6:0 at that raid level if at all

[nocturne solstice]

its 15 through prayer

[final frigate]

Which can be mitigated by learning tech

[nocturne solstice]

probably 18 ish if at path 4

[final frigate]

Why we doing 4

That's like 600 invo challenge run

Well 600 would be higher than 4