game-update

[hasty shard]

^

[icy relic]

yeah they should do it sooner rather than later

[meager flame]

they just said lets do that after release

[icy relic]

and figure out the narrative/lore for the item

this stuff is important

the lore provides the context for the item existing

[meager flame]

i think jagex needs to learn about the rule of cool

even though im sure certain members of the staff will hate it

[icy relic]

rs3 has that in spades

[chrome lantern]

Is that the rule that red and black everything isn’t cool

Or what is that

[meager flame]

nah its the

"who cares if it matches the lore this is cool so make it happen"

they keep using lore as a reason to make unpopular or contested decisions

[icy relic]

https://runescape.wiki/w/Ek-ZekKil my beloved zuk sword

[meager flame]

and honestly the game design is first and they just write supporting information to make it make sense after the fact

in most sane scenarios

[chrome lantern]

“Varlamore p3 weapon has to be a slash weapon for lore reasons, guys” (It’s definitely the prince’s saber)

[meager flame]

yeah thats the perfect example

there are several others like when they quoted armor being demonic so it can't have prayer bonus or whatever

[chrome lantern]

Or remember when they said the Venator bow “only makes sense as a bow” like lmao what

[meager flame]

they're creating barriers that dont even exist

like omg this is from a demon i have to figure out how prayer bonus gets excluded

lol they could just not

[chrome lantern]

I mean that’s even as easy as “you’re more holy because you purged/reclaimed this weapon from a demon” and leave it at that

[hasty shard]

demons are as holy as monks, just a different god

[chrome lantern]

Or as simple as that

[hasty shard]

like whuh

[chrome lantern]

Yeah

[meager flame]

ya thats the normal result

[icy relic]

zamorak exists

lots of zamorakian prayer items

[meager flame]

they just design whatever because thats the best gameplay then write some stuff up to make it sort of make sense

after the fact

but they seem to not be doing that

and idk why lol

[icy relic]

It's more like they don't make an effort to reconcile stuff with lore

because they can't explain why we can't have cool stuff

[meager flame]

i do think its easier to make excuses like that than to say something like

[chrome lantern]

Is there even any lore to oathplate and horn and stuff

Like clearly you can tweak that however you want

[meager flame]

we think theres too much prayer bonus in the game and thats why if you pay careful attention you'll notice that we've been removing prayer bonus for the last several years

[hasty shard]

nope

[icy relic]

I tried to pitch some lore

[hasty shard]

oh right didnt they shut down calling the armour oathbreaker/keeper for lore reasons too

[icy relic]

jagex didn't call me ofc :^)

[chrome lantern]

Man I wish they didn’t hate prayer bonus

[hasty shard]

when like inherently what is an oathplate ??

it doesnt make less sense

[meager flame]

well

[hasty shard]

i'd prefer oathbreaker/keeper tbh

[meager flame]

oathplate does make sense you just have to read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Way_of_Kings

then once you realize they're just in love with the series

[chrome lantern]

Oathplate’s only lore is that it comes from you making a contract

[meager flame]

you'll get why it has to be oathplate

[hasty shard]

(general sentiment)

dont stand ground to suck off another piece of media imo

[meager flame]

yeah im just saying its shardplate for osrs

cant make the reference if you call it oathbreaker armor

[icy relic]

I guess at the end of the day, I'm just perpetually salty that RS3 laid the foundation for so much great lore AND gameplay

so many legendary weapons from great characters in the RS world

[chrome lantern]

Keep us away from RS3 lore though

[meager flame]

and tbf to them

[icy relic]

but we can't have that because everything RS3 is bad

[meager flame]

we aren't breaking an oath at all so oathbreaker actually didn't make sense

people just thought it sounded cool

which is fair enough

[chrome lantern]

The game went in a poor direction a long while before EoC

Not saying OSRS is perfect by any means though bc it’s not

[icy relic]

strongly disagree, there was a lot of fantastic content well through EoC

[meager flame]

im curious if we're going to find out that oathplate is sentient though

or if they'll just stick with tacking radiant onto the kitted set to do the double reference

and leave it there

[hasty shard]

oathplate is soylent green

[icy relic]

but game is permanently hamstrung by shit development cycles and mtx

[meager flame]

at least they picked good fantasy to reference

usually good games too like dark souls

[icy relic]

nothing in OS comes close to GWD3 in grandeur even if it did completely ruin the economy

[meager flame]

better than the days of dj khaled getting added to osrs

[chrome lantern]

Before EoC, we had:
-Summoning and dungeoneering moved the game in bad directions
-Graphics moved in awful directions
-Lore moved to the player being a chosen one and the gods appearing directly
Those are just the start of the bad stuff lol

[hasty shard]

can we just 1:1 port arch glacor or something

[meager flame]

i've said this like 234242 times

but they actually should have the original glacors in osrs

[chrome lantern]

Not saying there wasn’t good stuff in RS2.5

But the game overall moved in a bad direction

[meager flame]

that would learn some people a few mechanics

as a bonus they're also an elemental weakness npc

[chrome lantern]

Naturally they’d have to be weak to air, knowing Jagex

[meager flame]

lmao i would laugh actually

[icy relic]

"they're floating"

[meager flame]

yeah jagex would probably go crazy contemplating that one

they're made of ice but they float

what do

[chrome lantern]

“Why not both?”
“The game engine can’t count to two”

[icy relic]

ah but it's like bony ice, which is hard, so maybe they have to be weak to dirt

[hasty shard]

what mechanics do glacors have

[chrome lantern]

idk either tbh but I looked them up once a few years ago when someone mentioned them

[hasty shard]

rs3 wiki says nothing

[icy relic]

basic move 1 tile away from icicles, spam click if you get frozen, range/magic prayer switching

at 50%, spawns 3 adds that imbues it with different mechanics depending on which add you kill last

there's one that makes it mega tanky, one that makes it drain prayer, and one that makes it periodically explode

arch glacor is an incredible fight though

all the gwd3 bosses were so much fun

[meager flame]

it also teaches people to stack up npcs in certain ways and decide which to kill first

[bronze kernel]

Spam click if you get frozen you say? *Ring of stone stonks intensifies*

[icy relic]

glacors are kinda janky by modern standards but ironically enough I feel like jagex was doing elemental weaknesses better back then

with ice strykewyrms taking double damage if you had fire cape on

and magic was in a really good place with storm of armadyl/polypore and the magic formula giving +3% damage per boosted level

now magic is in a horrible spot and the only thing that's keeping the entire style afloat is how disgustingly broken shadow is

and how it just ignores all the rules

[chrome lantern]

I mean honestly magic has been broken since they designed it to have damage based on tier of spell

And then tried to cobble together powered staffs and it just became more and more evident

Adding magic % gear etc

Every additional step they take shows the cracks in the fundamental foundation more and more

Even elemental weaknesses are a band-aid on top of three band-aids

[slender vapor]

DHW with its giga buffs are funny

They released it and it was shit

They giga buff it and weaknesses

And it still won't be used at olm

Most likely

Haven't seen calcs on it yet

[chrome lantern]

If they make the changes soon enough I might use it on my pre-trident gim

For group raids

[icy relic]

it's still going to be 5T right

so if you're soloing with it you'll have to learn the shadow rotation

and idk if the range lines up either

[chrome lantern]

It doesn’t

First thing I wondered

Then immediately answered in my mind

You can’t longrange-acc

You might be able to just go back to the back instead though I didn’t try that

But either way it’s not the exact same

[thick beacon]

i think its better then sang

but thralls puts sang on top

could see ppl using it in team raids not rrly solo

esp as mains

[obsidian venture]

Last calc I saw in a cox chat

Dunno if they added thralls

[thick beacon]

even then like u lose thralls every other room/melee hand etc

[obsidian venture]

Yeah

Could be ok on a budget iron

[thick beacon]

6% not enough imo to make it worth

ye its good its just idk how feasbile it is to route huey in early on iron

i think being able to push rigor would be nice but getting wand still seems a pain

[obsidian venture]

Probably not worth

[full shell]

@winter hearth are there any plans in the works to permanently unlock the awakened bosses?

[ashen perch]

Don’t ping the jmods mate. 🫶🏽

[full shell]

I had the option to so I didn’t think it was an issue, but good to know for the future, no worries!

[ashen perch]

Your fine , I just know mods don’t like it lol.

[full shell]

lol I hear you

[ashen perch]

Sick pfp btw

[full shell]

Thank you! 😄 Yours is sick as well! 🙂

[ashen perch]

https://tenor.com/view/the-little-rascals-spanky-travis-tedford-oh-well-smile-gif-6984766287477908346

[ashen perch]

Kinda hard to do something “cool” when your name is a number lol.

[full shell]

The shogun helm was a nice touch for sure lol

[ashen perch]

Lol yeah I like it , might change my pfp color theme to be more Japan like since the whole space vibe doesn’t match it

[winter hearth]

Not for the time being no, or at least none that I'm aware of

fwiw I don't mind being pinged, just that there's every chance I'm busy with other stuff and miss it - so don't take it personally if I'm not able to respond to it in good time

[ashen perch]

Legend

[austere mulch]

Hey Goblin just wanna say ily and think you do a great job working with the community

[winter hearth]

Cheers beast, you're v kind!

[velvet token]

Menaphos when goblin 😂

[ember token]

not any time soon

[full shell]

No worries, I appreciate your reply! Thank you!

[hard axle]

Would love if Awakened Bosses were also 10-25x drop rate for pet

Thank you, come again

[earnest marsh]

Ehh awakended bosses is just cosmetic armor, nothing else, but if your bring pet eph boost, thats a different thing

Any eta on part 2 summer sweep?

[velvet orchid]

Do we have a timeline on chiseling emblems for ether?

[ember token]

nope

[frail bough]

.

[true talon]

It’s a pipe dream that they do away with orbs and contracts.

[surreal pewter]

Have they mentioned what this week's game update will be?

[ember token]

nope

[austere mulch]

Hopefully letting surge pot cooldown tick between rooms at tob and allowing Soulflame horn to work with dragon claws as polled

[true talon]

You already know that d claw change ain’t coming lol or it would have by now. It’s just another idea that was proposed and then walked back on.

[plush gull]

nah theyve mentioned being open to perma unlock for awakened bosses

idk whats going on with contracts tho, hope they fix those this week

[minor whale]

I don't recall seeing that
I do remember a JMod saying they're open to contracts dropping from completed contracts for cosmetics, and that he's not opposed to that same system for awakened orbs.
But not "perma unlock" unless I've missed that
https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/s/nkwiwFVWQd

[plush gull]

that wouldnt solve anything for challenge runs tho

[true talon]

I felt my suggestion was solid for fixing both problems as the system gate keeps the loot and not doing the boss.

They are using the same system in the summer sweep up for bryo and obor

[hard axle]

I still think the contracts should be ultra rare, but not vanish until you complete it

Pet contract could be fine to refund on kill and consume at start.

making them dumb common is why some of them are 50k now

[plush gull]

yeah not vanish until completion is a great solution

[hard axle]

You can’t balance these to the satisfaction of the playerbase because it’s either too expensive to grind

or it’s too worthless to grind

[plush gull]

make blood kit an echo orb and make contracts depleted on completion, problems solved

tho i guess blood kit being an echo orb might not help with restricted accounts doing weird challenges where just getting 1 awakened kc is the challenge

it looks like 10hp accounts can do dt2 🤔

[kindred fox]

@winter hearth Can we get an alternate way to obtain a dragon pickaxe? Something that doesn't involve wildy or 2.5m coin.

[ember token]

[[kalphite queen]]

[ornate wolf]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Kalphite_Queen

[ember token]

the methods exist, you just dont want to do them

[chrome lantern]

"I want a thing but I don't want to pay for it or put in effort"

Throwback to dragon pickaxe at 9m

ToA release

[ember token]

yeah it really doesnt need more sources at this point

[chrome lantern]

It didn't need KQ either

[kindred fox]

let me rephrase, without bossing, or 2.5m

[ember token]

[[grand exchange]]

[ornate wolf]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Grand_Exchange

[kindred fox]

HCIM

[ember token]

[[deiron]]

[ornate wolf]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Ironman_tutor

[chrome lantern]

Why should it be available without 2.5m?

[tacit wharf]

sounds like ironman is not their gamemode

[chrome lantern]

I don't see how that arbitrary number matters

It already has 10 sources

You're excluding yourself from 9 of them

And refusing the 10th

[ember token]

sorry but c'mon now, this is crazy levels of catering you're asking for

[kindred fox]

just makes no sense to me, drag harpoon and drag axe don't need to be recrafted for 2.5m

[chrome lantern]

Nor does the dragon pickaxe

[kindred fox]

It does though, if you get the broken dragon pickaxe from volcanic mine, it has to be repaired for 2.5m

[chrome lantern]

Yes

The literal 10th method added to the game to get the item

[small anvil]

there's like 10 ways to get the dragon pick

[chrome lantern]

Actual 10, I counted

[small anvil]

and you're complaining taht this extra one costs gp

[ember token]

the dragon harpoon and dragon axe don't need to be repaired because they're significantly rarer drops from their skilling only sources

[small anvil]

like... if you dont like that method there's others

[chrome lantern]

It was the 10th method for dpick, added explicitly as a cater for skillers, when the pickaxe was 10m and adding it without a repair fee would be a significant impact on the profit from the ore packs

KBD and KQ are the HCIM cater options

[kindred fox]

This makes sense now

nvm

[chrome lantern]

Chaos elemental, Callisto, Artio, Venenatis, Spindel, Vet'ion, Calvar'ion, KBD, KQ, VM

[ember token]

if you think the dragon pickaxe should drop fully repaired, sure, but it would also be like a 1/1k drop

[chrome lantern]

I mean tbh at this point the dpick is what, 800k?

It could drop full and it would barely matter now xd

[tacit wharf]

only cuz the wildy bosses are botted to hell

[earnest marsh]

Also voidwaker is so popular

[obsidian venture]

volcanic mine

2.5m is pretty cheap anyways

[bronze kernel]

I need to go back to Volcanic Mine for the log slot

[slender vapor]

Ngl, VM is fun

As an iron i'm glad that pickaxe drove me towards VM because i was coping with wildy boss rng

[uncut shadow]

any info on todays update?

[sacred oracle]

it would be in #game-news

none yet

[violet delta]

@fading token hello sorry for another annoying @ in the discord but the other day you mentioned DMM dates would likely be autumn which is great! However do we have an estimate on when the dates will drop? I’m only concerned because I need 2 months notice to put in leave for work and I cannot miss my favorite RuneScape event with my pals 😦

[restive siren]

Think he said in another channel already that they dont have exact dates yet

[jovial sentinel]

-Gives an estimate.
-Someone has to ask for something more accurate, expecting you held out info for some reason

[warm epoch]

He's asking if they know when he can expect the dates, not the dates immediately

[violet delta]

Yes he did , he replied to me thanks for that, however I’m asking if we have an estimate on when the dates will drop. Thanks

[warm epoch]

Yeah, like a "we'll finalise the dates a month in advance" is an answer to that question

Which honestly is about the timeline I expect fwiw

[restive siren]

seems like the answer doesnt change anything, either its early enough for the 2 month notice or its not, nothing you can do about it

[violet delta]

Thanks for the expert armchair answers here from the people that weren’t tagged or understand the question however il leave it to the big man himself, the answer changes a lot actually to me. previous deadman seasons we have had dates up to 5 months in advance and some only 1 month so its a fair question.

[restive siren]

its a common courtesy rule in this discord to not ping jmods that are not currently active in the chat

but nothing says you are in the right more than reacting with clown emojis so i guess you win that one bud

[fair comet]

While you’re right for the other J mods. Mod Ash is an exception to that rule. It’s okay to mention him with a reasonable question when he is inactive.

[restive siren]

We maybe have different views on whats a reasonable question then but thats fine

hope its early enough for you 🙂

[plush gull]

any predictions for this update? id bet 100k they'rel make yama contracts only deleted on completion

[warm epoch]

Do you understand the question though lol

[fossil epoch]

2 times in a row we see a 15 min downtime, interesting

[slender vapor]

They sure expect people to shower

[frozen lion]

i still click some crap in shower

must be something else

[rocky sky]

bro my dysexic ass read that as 'i still crap in the shower' 😭

[plush gull]

why dont they do the discord timezone thing for the game announcements 😦 can someone do it

how many hours and minutes until downtime

if anyone is BST type <t:1749609000:R>

or does anyone know how to do it if ur not BST

/timestamp

<t:1749609000:R>

no brits here huh, i think zendairy is swedish, i bet other people are american

[chilly portal]

Well its something like 730am or something there atm

[fickle crescent]

Whats the update today?

[chilly portal]

Also im aussie so def not an american

Probably pride event if they r doing one this year

[plush gull]

downtime: starts: <t:1749641400:R> <t:1749641400:F>
45 min before: <t:1749638700:R> <t:1749638700:F>

[fossil epoch]

danish, but close

i believe you are off by an hour btw

its in 1 hour 40min till countdown

[chilly portal]

That seems like normal update sort of time

[plush gull]

yeah ur right its an hour early

im out of brain energy for this tho

[chilly portal]

So wat update is later today or something

[plush gull]

no its earlier

[fossil epoch]

we dont know what it contains

[plush gull]

pride event & yama contracts only deleted on victory

• better way to get contracts

• asian servers

[fossil epoch]

nah

[plush gull]

• blood ornament works as echo orb and also alternate pathway to get the echo orb

[fossil epoch]

hopefully the clue stacking update passed the tests and is ready to be shipped today

[plush gull]

• salamanders not deleted on death

[fossil epoch]

the fact we have a 15min downtime, might mean more engine stuff related to sailing

[chilly portal]

Yeah gl with that

[fossil epoch]

Soul wars might get its lootboxes shafted today

[rocky sky]

/timestamp

what is the command to see what time it is in your local time?

[chilly portal]

Well a mate of mine went looking for the bot worlds to stack a few points last week and none of them were on so nuke the bits there then shaft the crates?

[plush gull]

there isnt one, they should use markdown

<t:1718094600:t>

[rocky sky]

ty

[plush gull]

why does that tell me downtime is in 20 minutes

is it wrong again

<t:1718094600:t>

[solar dirge]

you posted it fine 10 minutes ago

[plush gull]

no that was an hour off

and this seems to be even more off

[solar dirge]

oh right, they didn't use the timestamp thing for the official ping (why)

[plush gull]

i cant find an online calculator that doesnt use my timezone automatically

[solar dirge]

so the 45min notification is in an hour and a half ya?

[sand lichen]

arent updates basically always happening at this exact time

why is there so much fuss about it haha

[solar dirge]

1. daylight savings is a thing 2. I'm riding high on that clue update copium

[plush gull]

<t:1749637800:t>

[sand lichen]

ye so its always the same time, and for half the year its +/-1 hour

[plush gull]

that one looks right

[sand lichen]

but ye

clues could be nice

[rocky sky]

oh nice, ill be in bed by then

ty

[plush gull]

wait they just posted something new in #🟢online

[fossil epoch]

its just the 15 min downtime we will have

[plush gull]

o its utc in #🟢online and bst in #discord-news

so what i posted last is right

[fossil epoch]

this one but +15min

[still orbit]

Today update timing

[rocky sky]

wiait did downtime get increased?

[fossil epoch]

well its the normal 45min countdown, and then it was announced the servers will be down for 15min before going live again yeh

[versed sluice]

We can all touch grass for 15 minutes

[plush gull]

5 minutes until ingame timer and update post (probably)

[silk ruin]

Hopefully Toa changes hitting live serveres

servers*

[fossil epoch]

https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/misc-galore--yama-tweaks?oldschool=1

[silk ruin]

meh update

[solar dirge]

where clues madge

riots in fally

[cold ocean]

Where delve boss info

[fossil epoch]

yeh thats anothing update

[silk ruin]

thats probably coming in August

[fossil epoch]

why would that be a part of todays update?

thats part of varla p3

[silk ruin]

after the summer sweep up updates

[plush gull]

💀

they didnt think about emberlight spec working on yama before release? and they disabled bolts entirely, not just making the damage boost not work, which would already kill the method?

cursed... just so cursed... what is the yama team doing

[silk ruin]

Isn't Yama already dead content unless your an iron?

[plush gull]

they made death charge untradeable

[fossil epoch]

This time, they are removing cheese

[restive siren]

Removing cheese good

Osrs players notoriously Lactose intolerant

[cold ocean]

Because it’s coming in a month and we don’t know sht about it yet

[silk ruin]

what makes you think it's coming already next month?

[plush gull]

prayer regens now vanish on death

thats the real nerf to yama

[cold ocean]

They have announced it long ago that its coming on july lol

[plush gull]

so much harder now

[haughty halo]

slow news week.

[ember lion]

no clues again?

[plush gull]

cursed update and no mention of pride 💀

and the pride stream was made private on youtube

what is going on with this company 😬

[fossil epoch]

its coming during summer which is as far as 2 months and 19 days away

but that wouldnt come in an update blog post

[plush gull]

they meant australian summer, itll come early, in december!

[fossil epoch]

tbh, jagex summer plans have gone past august multiple times

[plush gull]

but hopefully this company goes bankrupt before then

[ember lion]

why even be here? XD
Be mad about real things like no stackable clues yet.

[solar dirge]

love this game, update is w/e but yeah this is frustrating. now we're looking at a month after poll for a very wanted qol update

[plush gull]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gccsfOSZia0

[nova solar]

Whats the deal with thralls at kurasks

[silk ruin]

kekw?

[restive siren]

People only playing osrs dont know the luxury that weekly updates are in the first place

Update smaller than expected ohno the World is crumbling

[solar dirge]

except this week wasn't an "update" it was a bugfix. mmo's pretty commonly bugfix weekly.

[nova solar]

Never seen thralls used at kurasks before seemed very random to adjust that

[silver steeple]

Another nothingburger update..

[ember lion]

Weekly updates are great, they do a wonderful job.
But small yama tweaks as opposed to releasing stackable clues again xD

kinda wish yama was dropped at this point xD

[silk ruin]

This!
Osrs announces their bugfixes like a new game update. Other companies just fix the unintended bug, without having to wait for a weekly update to do that 😄

[silver steeple]

long downtimes and yama changes baby i hope the 200 people that do that content are happy

[plush gull]

they just removed two instances of emergent gameplay and made regens vanish if you die to yama

[restive siren]

Thats just not true, all mmos hotfix what is hotfixable and the rest gets fixed with the weekly reset

[silver steeple]

surely we get stackable clues and those summer sweeps after the summer

[ember lion]

falador riots for stackable clues xD

[solar dirge]

literally I opened the update and ctrl-F'ed "clue" surely we could at least get some indication of when it's coming. I know they said a few days ago it was apparently in final stages

[silk ruin]

draining an end game boss so he does no dmg to you so even a low lvl scrub can complete the contracts, should be a hotfix don't you think?

[plush gull]

though i wouldnt really call emberlight specs emergent… its just what the spec does…

[restive siren]

It would be better but im not gonna pretend i know what code changes need a server restart and which dont

[silk ruin]

Summer sweep up update in Winter? Sounds like a good marketing 😄

[silk ruin]

Well looks like this one requires a 15 min down time.

[plush gull]

crazy that it took this long if they wanted stats besides def/magic to not be drainable 💀 so cursed… this instead of addressing contract acquisition…

[true talon]

So umm, you are going to revert every player who cheesed yama right?

[restive siren]

Nope

[haughty halo]

In the UK its been cloudy / raining for 2 weeks straight after we had 3/4 weeks of sunshine, summer has finished for us so thats next years summer planning, sorry to inform you of this news.

[true talon]

or nah we gonna let the exploiters stay winning. while everyone else has to just suffer though the more difficult fights. super glad we had to waste a full month on contracts nice update.

[silk ruin]

Yeah ngl Yama was a complete waste of dev time

[true talon]

base yama was good

[restive siren]

Everyone knew there was a good chance it would get fixed, if you didnt use your chance dont complain

Exploit early

[true talon]

trying to apease to the elitism of autist is what was a waste of dev time

[silk ruin]

Debetable.

[crude fern]

downtime or no?

[silk ruin]

Back in the days, bug exploits were a bannable offense, now its encouraged to see who finds a new bug abuse strat to make the boss easier/tolerable 😄

[silver steeple]

they could have just done these 'fixes' last week with the 10 hour downtime atleast give us a lil taste of something

[plush gull]

was there even any mention of pride in last week's update blog

[true talon]

Could have done these fixes the moment contracts cheese methods were solved.

[summer bronze]

going to be fixing yama until 2026 it seems - boring. Where poll84 changes??

[silk ruin]

yes there was.

[true talon]

now we wasting yet another week on useless tweak to contracts

[winter hearth]

couple of under the hood changes this week and next that we tend to keep quieter in case of stuff breaking, appreciate that this week isn't a particularly exciting one though

[winter hearth]

Ether/shortcuts still missing from Poll 84 are coming soon, just the 'under the hood' stuff I mentioned above playing into a slight delay

[silver steeple]

again*

[silk ruin]

Hey Goblin!
Any idea on when the sweep up changes could go live?
Surely before the varlamore p3 am I right?

[cyan marlin]

Hi Goblin, anything regarding the stackable clues that could be shared 🙂 ?

[crude fern]

Will there be any downtime this update?

[slender linden]

Full oath set reached under 300 shee

[true talon]

So how is it fair that everyone who used cheese to kill the boss is not being reverted. considering now all future radiant attempt contracts are going to cost a massive amount more to learn. highly suggest a repeat completetion of attun and sensory before radiant is equipable.

[hasty shard]

they made regens not work in gauntlet grr graahhh

[fossil epoch]

Yeh i was expecting something behind the scenes thats for stuff like sailing, or general updates for the engine.
I do hope we are getting to see a halt in yama changes soon though

[silk ruin]

As expected.

[slender linden]

ngl im happy melee BIS is cheap.

[silk ruin]

I mean its supposed to be inbetween from Bandos to Torva, except when using Scythe.

[true talon]

Yama still needs changes, but mainly base yama. contract yama should be left alone for once.
Base yama still needs proper phasing.

[winter hearth]

Same here, have been a little more removed from it since Sweep-Up got moving

[winter hearth]

No firm ETA atm

[plush gull]

halt in yama changes 💀

[slender linden]

as someone with not a insane bank, im happy to have just oathplate in bank while focussing on weapons. better for 300m then a 1b torva set or whatever it used to be

also still bangs with noxious and SRA so yea

[summer bronze]

Can we all send some appreciation to mr goblin for their speedy replies to all our venting

[true talon]

Hey goblin,

How would the team feel about moving contract health % to base yama. were he phases at 75-50, because currently the end game boss dies before he can do anything "end game" in p3.

[lunar hawk]

No we can’t goldy

[silk ruin]

I hope they do all the summer sweep up changes, including the resource drop rework before pushing in a new boss.
Lets for once try to be proactive, instead of nerfing/adjusting and changing a new content for the 50th time. 🙂

[winter hearth]

We should've fixed it quicker if we were going to do this, the boss and radiant is going to be around for ages, also think most people seem to agree that the 'hardest' of the contracts is Sensory Clouding which isn't majorly impacted by these anyway

[plush gull]

harmony contract back up to 6m

6m to do one unique boss fight with the only fun mechanic from yama release

10x worse than orbs

[winged mantle]

any eta on stackable clues implementation @winter hearth ?

[slender linden]

back? its always been floating around 5-6 lol

[winter hearth]

Not sure if I'm able to share anything for the time being

[winged mantle]

all good ty

[plush gull]

awakeners orbs 2.0: 6m if u wanna try the fight

[winter hearth]

Looks like I am, early July for stackable clues

[silver steeple]

the real question is will next week be yama part 11? or will we get nothing at all and just a 15 minute downtime?

[plush gull]

😭

[silk ruin]

Melee armour gives by far the least amount of str bonus, so no need to upgrade to Torva until your super rich really.

[winged mantle]

yoo

[slender linden]

im a simple man i dont care about the contracts/orbs

[lunar hawk]

It’s evident JAGEX is laying off JMODS

[silver steeple]

most people dont care about yama that much is my guess

[true talon]

im still there and i enjoy base yama.

[slender linden]

yeah exactly why im happy that oath is cheap. i bought it at 125 but im not planning to ever sell so its no loss for me and helps me progress further right now instead of later 😄

[plush gull]

i wish i could not care about yama but they made death charge untradeable so i gotta pay hundreds of mil for boosts if i want it

[silk ruin]

Its not even that useful atm tho.

[slender linden]

why? you got some weird account? getting dosiers isnt that hard right

[hasty shard]

killing the boss normally instead of trying to dharok it might help

[true talon]

?you can go with any duo for free. you just need 100 kc.

[slender linden]

its actually pretty nice at some places. like its a direct buff to phosani nightmare for example with more specs from husks

[hasty shard]

anywhere with spawns that you do kill its nuts at

[plush gull]

its exteremely useful and fun in colo

gameplays that add new mechanics to other content and make them more fun should not be locked behind dumpster fire "endgame" bosses like this

[silk ruin]

Yeah at pnm it could be great.

[tiny epoch]

@winter hearth is the team still looking for feedback & looking to iterate on sweep-up changes?

[slender linden]

still have no idea why you cant do regular yama for the dossiers*... ?

[silk ruin]

bro just get base 80s and send it

Its not an endgame boss by any means lol

[hasty shard]

i'm not gonna clamor like yama has wonderful balance but its 100 kc 😭

[plush gull]

show me a clip of someone doing yama with sub 50m gear

[silk ruin]

I'd say its inbetween of Titans and Entry mode Toa

[slender linden]

it's such a easy boss a noob in my clan did it with ahrims and purging staff

[fossil epoch]

Entirely depends on how much traction your reddit post can get

[silk ruin]

You can do mage only in like 65m gear, so what are you complaining about?

[plush gull]

grandmaster quests and >50m gear... thats by far the highest requirements of any boss released, except solo tob/nex

awakened bosses, inferno, colo, are all much easier with half the gp in gear

[vivid ruin]

Dont feed the troll

[slender linden]

Ren you was here talking so much bs about how much contracts were going to cost you, meanwhile ur talking about a sub 50m setup? so ur poor? so why even be bothered about end game cosmetic contracts? weird as hell man. blocked ur obv baiting

[winter hearth]

depends on the nature of the feedback, if it's 'you should also do this and this and this' then likely not within scope - but if it's worth writing down then I'll write it down always!

[vivid ruin]

Just check rens history to realize responding is a waste of time

[slender linden]

yeah no worries, wont ever have to see that person again

[silk ruin]

Thanks for the info.

[winter hearth]

As in base Yama? You could do it with a literal untradeable weapon

get arclight click boss

[plush gull]

arclight often misses on void flares

[silk ruin]

So uhm, can we stop calling it ''end game'' boss? 😄

[fossil epoch]

Ren is angry about any update to be fair, today the only contract thats fun is the 6m one
last week it was bloodied blows that was the only fun one

[fading token]

I'm afraid we do not. Sorry.

[plush gull]

and arclight charges take tens of hours to farm

plus, arclight is very dependent on other melee gear, it doesnt work well with void unlike other items

[silk ruin]

learn donofly you scrub

[winter hearth]

You can do the Inferno at sub-40 Combat, there's all kinds of stuff you 'can' do but I don't think outliers should always denote where something is targeted

[plush gull]

donofly has nothing to do with killing flares

[winter hearth]

We do agree that Yama at its 'floor' is probably easier than we'd have liked though

[true talon]

to his defense you kind of do need someone with a purging staff lol.

[kindred flint]

manually cast demonbane

[fossil epoch]

ngl i wish i could

[tiny epoch]

that doesnt 1shot

[kindred flint]

doesn't need to

[silk ruin]

not mandatory tho, just eat up before they go off 😄

[tiny epoch]

u can do with trident but theres not a boak method that ive heard of that accounts for 2 trident hits

[winter hearth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ShlR0SH8co

Think that's below 50m

[true talon]

You can fix this by moving his phase transitions. to 75-50.

[hasty shard]

tbh the dps diff at yama is kinda nutty

[silk ruin]

This will be addressed in next week's update? Or are we waiting for 3 years to make a change, like with Toa? 😄

[plush gull]

idk it costs a lot of money and time to burst for shards

[fossil epoch]

"keeping prices low, so we only using a rune defender instead of dragon defender"

[true talon]

Dont think linking kirby who played tick perfect and is known for being insane as a justification that boss is doable with 1m gear lol. thats like linking 37 cmb infernal cape.

[silk ruin]

I mean its probably a few scb sips and sharks save for sure 😄

[slender linden]

its still a easy boss overal. coming from a cheesecaper

[winter hearth]

For sure, but it's still doable in budget if you're desperate

[tender harness]

So Bolt strat nerfed but hey exploit early and often on sigil pieces
Emberlight nerfed
Still nothing on acquisition contracts. these should be deleted from orbit

Great update

[visual arch]

anything exciting coming in june?

[plush gull]

show me a budget kill that doesnt require spending hours getting arclight charges?

[slender linden]

I dont think yama should be easy and definitely not viable in budget setups compared to what he drops but idm

[true talon]

hes not

[winter hearth]

Nothing super exciting as far as I know, but there's a lot going on 'under the hood' that mean we're playing it a little safer

[fossil epoch]

Some people "exploited" early and often on contracts released, and completions were not possible, its not always the move

[hasty shard]

lol i think mage is more dps than melee for midgame setups

[slender linden]

He has a bit of a learning curve but me and most of my clan got it to braindead levels of a boss after like 50kc

[visual arch]

Ah thats okay varlamore part 3 will be huge with lots to do, just hope it not another delveshelved situation. Summer is here!

[slender linden]

Atleast using mage! I dont melee yama

[hasty shard]

halves dps when theres not a melee tank/enrage though

[true talon]

its ok cheese methods for radiant fixed, but the camp sigil strat to remove griefing tiles, allowing gnomemonkey to print 600m an hour is perfectly fine.

[tender harness]

Delete acquisition contracts

[hasty shard]

i've not looked at the contract kills really but im assuming camp sigil means the rag tiles just don't spawn on sigils

[true talon]

correct.

[hasty shard]

i mean acquisition contracts

[fossil epoch]

Glad you guys waited with the soul wars nerf, since i just went over droprate for the pet with no luck, if you let me get it soon, you can update it for next week, no problem

[hasty shard]

im 4/5 i have seen my own handiwork

[visual arch]

@winter hearth thankyou for alerting the team about perilous moons bots, they are insane atm

[vivid ruin]

Spindel bots are insane rn too

[tender harness]

That's cool but when is jagex nerfing acquisition contracts

[lean bloom]

no way today's update is just "we made yama less fun"

[vivid ruin]

Its the terminator ones too, so one cant just pk them lol

[hasty shard]

they're printing too many worms into the game yeah

[tender harness]

Dude I know right

[solar dirge]

are the "405k macro bans" in the room with us right now?

[tender harness]

Nuke the worm farmers

[plush gull]

based on this clip its 10 minutes per fight 💀 and with 250 arclight charges used, it will takes over 10 minutes to the shards for 1 fight...

so looking at over 30 hours for the death charge scroll

[lunar hawk]

I love u JAGEX I acc love this game I can from rs3 to OSRS two days ago and im already 85 magic

[hasty shard]

quick lms tangent i swear people argue against the bots being annoying by saying to manual cast holding dds

and that just sounds like the dumbest thing ever

[vivid ruin]

Get to end game before doing end game content. Go away

[true talon]

ren ill let you leach my solos for 99 kills. you just whack the boss with arclight an survive.

then on kill 100 you will get death charge

[solar dirge]

seems a bit silly to be using arclight as a benchmark though. emberlight is a completely reasonable base req for yama, and that would speed the fight up by about 20% and remove the charges issue.

[kindred flint]

just wait till they hear how much they spend on death charges with their new double death charge

[simple marlin]

how long do does updates take usually ?

[tender harness]

Jagex refuses to nerf oathplate acquisition because it means they'll admit its a dumb design

[fossil epoch]

usually 0 minutes, this one 15

[plush gull]

just ping me 🤷

[true talon]

hes not even a bad player, he has done colo and uses garbage setups for that. they just wont go do WGS and get proper items for yama.

[hasty shard]

im waiting for the gp/h to even out

[tender harness]

Itll even out at 500m/hr

[hasty shard]

considering it was like 600m/h which is more money than the average osrs players job

i think that might not be healthy? idk

[tender harness]

Its not

That's like rs3 levels of money making

[hasty shard]

like i have actual rwt concerns there

[true talon]

its wealth funneling, just in the other direction.

[vivid ruin]

Oath going to end up at same price as bandos?

[true talon]

as the elitist get more gp they buy up pretty much anything of value, just like when BTC controled the 3rd age market an when his account got banned, sky rocketed all of it.

[tender harness]

@winter hearth are there actual plans to adjust oathplate acquisition contracts? Or at the least monitor them. 600m an hour right now screams RWT. While yes short term one would wait out for this to level out, this doesnt seem healthy, at all.

[autumn pelican]

sooooo when r the stackable clues comin

[warm storm]

i don't understand the problem with very hard content being very rewarding

[hasty shard]

fwiw i hope it balances out

[true talon]

You cant adjust them, you have to outright delete them. or remove the strats that are causing them to be easy. (sigil camping)

[austere island]

remember when the updates were only 2 minute downtimes?

I 'member

[hasty shard]

assuming the current acquisition grinders continue to grind them, how long until the contract supply runs out

[winter hearth]

Wanting to see where the market shakes out, but the '600m an hour right now' doesn't seem accurate? They're like 9 minutes a kill if not more, discrepancy in price between contract and most expensive oathplate piece is 20m. 120m/hr assuming no deaths whatsoever and not factoring in supply costs or any downtime between kills, and that 120 will likely come down considerably as market adjusts. Mess up twice and you're down money. Appreciate the concern but team want to keep an eye on it

[dawn cargo]

How long downtime

[true talon]

there is rewarding and then there is extreme, id say 600m an hour for a select few is quite a bit of extreme.

[winter hearth]

Most updates are literally no downtime, it's an exception to the rule these days if there is downtime

[hasty shard]

600m/h is what gnomonkey said it was whenever he figured out how to farm it iirc
i just cba to grab the current gp/h

[warm storm]

you can read goblin's post there to see that 600m/hr is way overblown. might have fallen for some clickbait on the first day these were being solved

[tiny epoch]

huge props to the team for getting to the state where downtime is rare instead of weekly

[severe kayak]

downtime =/= bad implementation, sometimes downtime is a necessity to deliver an update safely

[tiny epoch]

was truely horrific before ngl 🇦🇺

[true talon]

even if its 120m/h thats still extreme.

[arctic karma]

If you want more bots for a bot busting stream, check out Black Chins, Wilderness Agility, and Vet'ion. Huge KCs at Vet'ion with 10k-20k and a lot of 99+ Agility and Hunter bots still out there 💀

[vivid ruin]

Its also a chance for some to....

[indigo tinsel]

#game-update message
Early July

[winter hearth]

it is for sure, but if you're quoting 600 and it's already down by a factor of 5, it stands to reason that it'll likely reduce further as the market adjusts, which is what we're keen to see

[vivid ruin]

Spindel

[heady fossil]

Are people actually complaining about 15min downtime? Half the mmo type games I played had like 3+ hour downtime

[warm storm]

gear up and get some of that money if you think you can. otherwise it just sounds like you're bitter that other people are gaming harder than you

[sand lichen]

people dont seem to understand that its not 600m/h at all, there will soon be pretty much no more supply of oathplate acquisiton contracts, they dont come into the game nearly as much as direct oathplate pieces, they wont affect the price longterm, and eventually the contract will just be ~ the same price as the most expensive oathplate piece and be like a 15-20m/h end game money maker for the very best of best players, who the hell cares, stop spreading panic and chaos for no reason at all

[magic bluff]

how long will this update be this time?

[plush gull]

i could care less about how profitable bosses are if people are allowed to play them for fun

harmony contracts costing 6m per entry is not ok

[fossil epoch]

10 min left

[magic bluff]

ty

[austere island]

holy moly, it's the smash hit card game that started from a manga!

[sand lichen]

after several weeks of u crying about this, i think we all know

[arctic karma]

Yeah, the 1 tick entangle full gear swaps really give it away 😂

[hasty shard]

oh hey i said 'was 600m/h' so i get to cop out lmao

[past robin]

Is this update really necessary? I'm missing a lot of woodcutting xp

[olive mirage]

just seems like more then norm amount of maint makes me fear sailing if theyb cant get this right lol

[winter hearth]

Do the contract and you make 2.5m

[magic bluff]

still the best game played 😉

[austere island]

MTG is better tho

[sage seal]

Enslaved rat is that you? 🤣

[winter hearth]

turn one KOs 😦

[indigo tinsel]

Isn't it a player driven economy? We can just bring down the price ourselves?

[plush gull]

what if ur a restricted account that literally cant kill the boss but you still want to fight it

[magic bluff]

if you lose round you bad js

[winter hearth]

I cannot assume that this is in good faith

[austere island]

"Just draw the out"

[sand lichen]

dont restrict yourself?

[past robin]

Not a rat but I'm sure enslaved

[warm storm]

ren is so clearly baiting it's crazy

[normal crag]

Can you guys log in?

[sage seal]

Nah he's a player with 200m wc xp

[austere island]

gm rats

[plush gull]

challenge runs are as popular as speedruns imo, i cannot assume that what you are saying is in good faith 💀

[sand lichen]

you cant randomly put restrictions on your gameplay experience, and then expect the entire community and the developers to feed you content adapted to your chosen style of playing

[hasty shard]

im just realising radiant contracts are the new 'warriors guild rune armour is an insane moneymaker'

[winter hearth]

If you're restricting yourself then it's on you no?

[past robin]

Oh lol

[hasty shard]

guys if you kill glyphic attenuation you get a 1m contract every kill!!

[tropic kelp]

why are people downvoting the update

[past robin]

based af W mod

[austere island]

Server is still down for another 7 mins, my guy

[olive mirage]

because its been non stop lol

[sage seal]

7 minutes wow, that's a whole pk trip

[indigo tinsel]

They have the time to since they cant play

[tender harness]

Tbf im on my phone in newfoundland right now, and delayed on news. Last I saw was 600m. 😭 it just seems excessive in general is all.

[plush gull]

challenge runs and speedruns are popular way to play games

awakeners orbs and contract prices basically make entire gaming communities that would otherwise be thriving, extinct before they can get their foot off the ground

[tropic kelp]

oh

[potent prism]

Downvote the update I was in merchant mode and someone was buying something from my marketplace and game crashed!

[languid tundra]

Hey sorry if I’m in the wrong place but are DMM points supposed to reset? Or will my points from a few DMM’s ago still be there? Asking because for some reason it says I have 0, is this because the current DMM store situation or is it actually the case

[true talon]

@winter hearth any information on if yama transition can properly happen at 66/33 and work like stosegg that once he reaches this hp he will teleport you, also it would be wise to adjust base yama to same rules as contract being 75-50 so that players need to engage with his wave skipping and astral flare mechanic, currently when he phases at 29-33% into p3 he literally dies before doing anything.

[olive mirage]

i was doing vork so thats a nice 100k relogin fee lol

[hasty shard]

Soteg-style transition would be nice if its possible, yeah

[knotty herald]

The elemental wizards south of Falador now correctly take damage from all elemental spells except their own, which heal them instead.
interesting, do we get extra XP for healing?

[lethal sable]

u only got dmm pts from last season

[austere island]

tbh, that's on you lmao

[winter hearth]

I think Orbs need love for sure and could do with the 'repeat' treatment - though there's some risk that the unique prices from DT2 bosses become warped around those, I'm not 100% convinced they would be but there's a chance. The Contracts do return or profit you if you complete them - if you're getting competitive then I'd presume you're still up. If you're playing an Iron then you're already somewhat gated because you're 'forced' to put time in for supplies to keep up in the first place. I think we might actually agree with each other here in the end

[silk ruin]

Oh no, you made self imposed restrictions (that you can adjust by the way) and now you complain some content isn't accessible to you.
It would be the same as if Karamja locked UIM would complain that he can't access Toa, because its out of his self imposed region restriction 😄

[knotty herald]

imagine healing on defensive casting and losing Defence XP

[sacred skiff]

I'm curious if things like corp will still work post-update, since Ember/Arc spec's purpose of "reduce the attack, strength, and defense of demons" is unintended behavior

[potent prism]

That’s, pocket change wym? Meet me at GE and I’ll give you the 100k

[olive mirage]

it is rewatching pokemon and missed the small warnings

[knotty bloom]

Don't ruin corp for me. I bloody love corp.

[austere island]

I'm an iron, so maybe give the 100k to some f2p noobie or bot

[olive mirage]

na i need a plugin that improves maint warnings

[winter hearth]

I think the 'transition guaranteed at this %' isn't possible with Yama for some tech reason or another (cannot claim to understand it but I've mentioned it to devs before). The transition % swapping I think would have been a good thing to do but not sure if the devs would feel comfy making it this deep in for base Yama

[tender harness]

If I can word this correctly.
What was the intent of acquisitions being a guaranteed piece, vs just either just rolling additionally on the unique table or buffing the unique roll by a fixed percentage?

[austere island]

I have a little handy one: learn to read hehe

[potent prism]

I was in merchant mode and someone was buying my scratchi/itchi pet. Game crashes.

[true talon]

but they had no problem doing it for contracts? that makes 0 sense. base yama should be slightly more engaging. if its something you gonna haveto do for thousands of kills and its meant to be end game. the boss shouldnt just roll over an die before doing literally any mechanics.

[winter hearth]

Corp's fine, it's been around forever, as is Tekton in big scales if you fancy it, my understanding is that the devs felt it overly cheapened some parts of Yama but might dial back on it being a complete switch-off on offensive drain.

[true talon]

p3 in a duo literally ends before the 70 tick flares spawn even if you have arclights

[potent prism]

You all are speaking another language

[winter hearth]

Think this stems from contracts taking so much longer at the time and feeling like a huge slog through 'meh' to get to 'the good bit' where you can just insta-die and still slog through 'meh' again. Didn't feel as necessary on base Yama where kills go by a lot quicker, but it probably would improve the feel of the fight I agree

[true talon]

Also contract yama has proper phasing

[heady fossil]

Why is base yama being doable in cheap gear a problem when cg exists

[hasty shard]

i was doing them like yesterday I don't thiiink they do

[winter hearth]

Think this was just some element of risk vs. reward that actually feels like risk vs. reward in PvM (where Colo tried to do it but doesn't really). Dropping GP on one and having a chance that you might not hit feels bad if it's a really hard fight, similar to Orbs - could have gone with the 'repeat drop' route but think the devs wanted to try something different

[plush gull]

having to do p1 and p2 for 10 minutes is just painful when p3 has the only interesting gameplay

but i dont really like yama, the flares arent fun

[austere island]

tbf, I don't think that's comparable

[winter hearth]

his phasing still has the same rules afaik

[olive mirage]

na they need a better wayt of notifying us. at least aothers launchers tell ya its coming this its buried in bs

[true talon]

the phasing is important, because often you will risk dps checks such as flares and if your close to phasing you ignore them, well if boss decides to say im not gonna phase and the mechanics pop, well thats not very fair now is it. its same if stosegg was gonna phase but he shot the ball an your not able to skip.

[sonic nimbus]

Perhaps not in the scope of what you can speak on goblin, but are we going to get an official update on Pride this year? A lot of us have seen the Pink News article and it kind of stings having to read that from a third party

[austere island]

we pay we gay

[potent prism]

Ping me when games up someone??

[plush gull]

it was already up

[urban surge]

Up

[night jetty]

game is uuup

[rotund oracle]

Anyone else got problems taking things out of the bank? I can do everything but as soon as i take something out i disconnext

[true talon]

As a wow player, nothing is worst than incorrect boss hp phasing or timing issues with phasing.

[left willow]

Dcing every 3 seconds yes, cant use bank either lol

[true talon]

yama triggered that PTSD lol

[heady fossil]

Why not? Bofa with full crystal is the 2nd best range setup in the game no? Cg requires 0 gear, yama can be done in cheap gear but it's not really sustainable if you're using arclight charges.

[rotund oracle]

I am disconeccting abd cant take anything out of the bank without a dc @winter hearth

[austere island]

CG does require 0 gear, but it has the prep phase and can be quite difficult to get fast and consistent clears

[rapid birch]

Bunch of exciting stuff coming this summer it looks like, thanks for the info goblin!

[winter hearth]

what client're you using? and what region for world?

Not running into the same on C++ or RuneLite on my end

[rotund oracle]

UK 514
Runelite

[left willow]

Aussie servers w533 runelite

[deft barn]

@winter hearth just wanted to check if something can be done about mixology bots, there are 10+ in every world, several with 50m+ experience

[rotund oracle]

Others got same problem it seems

[winter hearth]

D'you have any bank-related plugins turned on?

[wary mist]

First thing i would consider is to start disabling plugins, we've launched an engine update so some plugins may require updating from their developers too.

[left willow]

Its not just bank, im dcing even just trying to click logout

[rotund oracle]

No i tried turning all off. As soon ss i take something out i disconnect

[drifting pasture]

Dont got problems on mobile

[austere island]

at least you're logged out then lmao

[rapid birch]

Happening on mobile for me

[drifting pasture]

F srry to hear bro

[winter hearth]

Have you restarted RuneLite since the update?

[rotund oracle]

Yes twice already

[heady fossil]

Budget yama kills arn't exactly easy

[warm storm]

purging staff is

[indigo tinsel]

This makes sense

[warm storm]

i think it's fine fwiw. melee is faster and harder and seems like a decent balance

[winter hearth]

Every instance of it? Think RL might need updating alongside - will look into it, most people reporting that a RL restart fixed the issue for them

[rotund oracle]

Made a new empty plugin profile on runelite. Problem still there.
It does not register taking something out of the bank (atleast TOA Bank) without „connection lost“ into a disconnect - into nothing was withdrawn from bank

[rotund oracle]

Ill try reinstalling

[wary mist]

if youre on the pc, fully end task of the client via task manager and such before relaunching too. and give it a second to catch up.

[olive tide]

Mine was disconnecting any time I pressed buttons like spec attack, switch world, friends list, but restarting Runelite fixed it

[left willow]

Seems to be fixed on my end.

[rotund oracle]

Trying now

[wary mist]

For mobile users please make sure your application has been updated via the relevant spp store too

[plucky umbra]

Sad that the Glyphic cheesers are getting away with an easy completion of the 2nd hardest contract, but I'm glad that it's fixed going forward

[plush gull]

@winter hearth do u know what happened with sunfire splinter bots, they were being banned when i reported them after the feedback change went live, but for the past month i keep seeing the same ones i reported day after day and & splinters are at their lowest ever and still crashing

[spiral vigil]

I was crashing every time i used weapon spec, but it helped when i restarted OSRS mobile app

[brisk ledge]

hey, when can we expect the summer sweep up update to drop @winter hearth , ive been stockpiling mossy keys lol

[olive tide]

this was same issue I had, try closing jagex launcher and runelite

[rotund oracle]

@wary mist and @winter hearth -
Reinstalled runelite
Working now

Tyvm!

[winter hearth]

gaming

[rapid birch]

Mobile working now!

[heady fossil]

Full crystal with bofa is also half the price of oathplate, that's a weapon and armour vs just armour. I really don't see the issue with base yama's difficulty tbh.

[rotund oracle]

Also can the deadman nightmare staff be fixed? Specxing with trim on will resolve in no action taken, only spec gets lost

[wheat void]

That seems to have resolved the issue thank you!

[true talon]

delve boss is slated before summer sweep, so we expect summer sweep to be in august.

[severe kayak]

@winter hearth are you aware the crafting skill guide shows thieving options

[rotund oracle]

Talked about this issue 2 weeks ago and made ingame report. But nothing after 2 weeks yet. Pls lmk if you guys at jagex know about the deadman volatile staff not working @wary mist @winter hearth

[plush gull]

@winter hearth why dont salamanders get kept on death like chinchompas, its crazy for people to permanently lose tecu salamanders to dharok when they cost mils or tens of hours to get

[left willow]

My Gricoller's Can has been deleted.. its still in my clog but not in my bank anymore?

[true talon]

@winter hearth i want to say that base yama was an amazing update, the fact it needed next to 0 changes and you had to waste a month on a useless hated systems (contracts, orbs 2.0, whatever you want to call it) has me excited for the delve boss. i hope to hear a release date soon for that guy.

[winter hearth]

Aware yeah!

[rotund oracle]

Aware about volatile staff with dmm trim does not work?

[winter hearth]

Also aware yeah

[rotund oracle]

Ok great thanks!

[indigo tinsel]

Are you dying to dharok?

[plush gull]

no i dont do barrows, and i dont take the tecu salamander anywhere because of this...

[rotund oracle]

My friend. There is something called prayer pots btw. Can use them to not die to dharok

[plush gull]

i wouldnt bring a tecu salamander to chickens since it doesnt go to deaths office

[rotund oracle]

Just keep your hp at 1 or higher, works for me

[indigo tinsel]

This is lack of knowledge on my part, where is tecu a viable choice with no great alternatives?

[hasty shard]

Ok my yama questions; I like the mechanics surrounding mage+melee there (mage getting more dps, melee stopping fireball spawns p3, in trade for more void flare spawns which feels really cool to deal with) that would allow for chiller kills, but there's some things that stifle it currently.

• Would it be possible to have a way to guarantee who yama aggros p1? Messes with mage/melee duo roles if you can't have the melee tank actually well, tank. Bringing a full style swap to account for the random aggro is a lot of slot waste.

• Could void flares count for contribution % for drops? you just lose out on contribution trying to deal with them which feels bad, and assumedly the job falls on the mager who is already at a dps loss, especially during enrage. If the solution is "just split", could yama just drop 50/50 by default then :v

[left willow]

@winter hearth My Gricollers Can looks like it was removed from my bank, it's still in my clog and Gricoller won't give me another one?

[rotund oracle]

50/50 default is a terrible idea and will end in people getting boosted nonstop for drops

[indigo tinsel]

Cami, is that a tecu in your name?

[warm storm]

i wouldn't mind a tank aggro mechanic like NM though

that sounds pretty good

[winter hearth]

If we see other reports of this then will raise it, can you drop me an RSN?

[left willow]

Lesser Noir

[rotund oracle]

My 15 noted scythes disappeared. Please reimburse asap

[knotty herald]

no bonus xp for healing and they get aggressive when you cast it even though they're all like "gratias tibi ago!" god it's like living with my grandpa

[plush gull]

barrows is the main place ive heard of people actually losing them which is why i used it as my example

[indigo tinsel]

Only 15, lucky.

[winter hearth]

have you checked tool leprechauns?

[plush gull]

there are also several CAs that require salamanders

[civic ginkgo]

Just don't get hit, ez

[plush gull]

are there any other items that get deleted on pvm deaths with no way to reclaim them from death, now that chinchompas were changed?

[left willow]

Yes, I've never put it in there, regardless, no it's not there either.

[south kettle]

where do i bug report?

[wide river]

Crafting skill guide is also showing thieving sections

[winter hearth]

team's aware

[winter hearth]

In-game, right click the Report button

[south kettle]

ok ty

[winter hearth]

Will ask somebody to take a look, 99% of the time if we get something like this and it's not widespread then you've dropped it, but sometimes something is amiss

[wary mist]

literally says how to submit a bug report on the message of the week screen, i even purposely put it there this week 😂

[hasty shard]

do I have to report each individual scarab in a scarab swarm

[left willow]

I don't recall dropping it, but thank you.

[winged mantle]

Runelite disc says restart client if disconnecting

[civic ginkgo]

I got the constant disconnects and just restarted, works fine now

[inner fiber]

Whens the rev emblems breaking update coming, been passed months???????

[vague gazelle]

The crafting skill guide menu is opening the thieving skill menu instead?

[vivid ruin]

#game-update message

[wary mist]

we're aware of that one 😛

[sonic nimbus]

Scroll up in this channel. Alternatively try searching from messages from mod goblin in this channel and you will find your answer

[fossil epoch]

Anyone able to tell the jmods that the crafting skill guide is showing the thieving skill guide? or is it better to just link older messages about this?

ty

[vivid ruin]

Ermmm guys.... i have horrible news....

[zealous zenith]

whats update

[vivid ruin]

The crafting guide shows the theiving guide when i click on it....

[civic ginkgo]

Thanks for keeping us updated 🫡

[vague gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-does-he-know-gif-26833694

[civic ginkgo]

Wouldn't have known unless you said

[zealous zenith]

?\

[hasty shard]

my question is why tf are people even clicking on the crafting guide

[sacred skiff]

lmaooo ik

Shocked so many people have found that already

[fossil epoch]

Perhaps we can be quick and find a woodcutting method that provides agility xp?

[zealous zenith]

hey guys whats up whats update?

[civic ginkgo]

I'm not sure, it could be to check the crafting guide, but I may need to do further research

[fossil epoch]

maybe they had to find out to to craft a sapphire amulet?

Probably not themselves who found out, word spreads around these things fast, and then some people go and report it in here i guess

[hasty shard]

amulet mould aint going anywhere

[zealous zenith]

i guess nobody knows

lol

[civic ginkgo]

heres the channel for all the updates, so you dont have to ask 5 times

[safe apex]

Turn skill guides into electron app of wiki plz

[civic ginkgo]

https://discordapp.com/channels/324132423636090880/615203531028168704

[jovial sentinel]

Check the updates channel

[civic ginkgo]

helped if i pasted the link

[jovial sentinel]

They shouldnt need it

Its at the top of every game discord basically

[zealous zenith]

i thought this what was thish channe lis for

[jovial sentinel]

Should be the first point of checking updates

Why would a channel with people talking be a place to post updates?

Rather than a locked channel

[civic ginkgo]

this channel is more for biger updates, and what we expect

[jovial sentinel]

This channel is for discussion

And opinions

[civic ginkgo]

exactly

[zealous zenith]

ok then instruxtions unclear because this is the description

Discuss the latest game update! Check #game-news for the latest news post.

oh

now i see

[jovial sentinel]

Is this channel game news?

[plush gull]

are they gonna take the game server down for the crafting skill guide lmao

[safe apex]

I hope so!

[civic ginkgo]

probably not, it'll be a hoxfix

[plush gull]

ash already said not hotfixable

[civic ginkgo]

oh

[jovial sentinel]

Then i hope so, if it annoys you

[civic ginkgo]

i did not see that lmao

[plush gull]

what do u mean?

[wary mist]

i've already fixed the skillguide for next week's update. However we could still bring the game down to resolve it should we wish to.

[bronze kernel]

LMFAO

[bronze kernel]

So it's gonna be like this for a week potentially?

[torpid steeple]

Little bug at Huey I put a video of it in questions as I can't seam to put one here

[bronze kernel]

[wary mist]

report bugs ingame by right clicking the red stone by your chatbox and selecting game bug

[torpid steeple]

no i know i wanted to show the video but will do

[vestal jetty]

Bruh every week they change yama, what was the point of releasing boss if they change it weekly lol

These devs are so bad, miss og dev team

[chrome crypt]

"give us constant updates"

"why are you updating content"

"make it perfect 1st try"

[jovial sentinel]

Make it perfect first try, but also noone can agree what perfect is

[craggy wind]

Dude the amount of bugs back in the day were wild. We have full transparency going on, is why it feels like they’re more.

I’m all for making people accountable, but our dev team really do a great job given the insane weekly task schedule they’re given. Cut them some slack. It’s not very easy doing a 7 day turnaround for some of this stuff.

Now obviously, some of this stuff is worked on weeks in advance, but you can’t possibly find every minute change when the spaghetti code is integrated how it is.

Who would ever think to check thieving skill guide when changing pvm interactions.

[craggy wind]

This too - great way to put it.

[fossil epoch]

to be fair, when i greenlogged yama, that was the point where we didnt need anymore yama updates 🙂

[jovial sentinel]

People seem to think that perfect is easy to find when we can tell the direction it needs to go. But we'll all stop at different places.

[true talon]

Facts, because perfect or what makes the boss good/difficult is subjective.
From my POV, base yama fit in nicely as a end game boss which can be completed by a majority of the player base who are technically end game (end game being 123 combat with max stats and some pvm knowledge around dt2 bosses like vard/whisperer) meanwhile other people have called it on the difficulty of scurrius lol.

[jovial sentinel]

And thats a mindset that screws everyone else over xD

[fossil epoch]

I hope im clearly joking, or am i

[jovial sentinel]

Or are you xD

[civic ginkgo]

Some people struggle to realise that difficulty is down to the individual

[jovial sentinel]

And yeah, anyone saying yama is scurrius difficulty are immediately invalidating their own argument.

[willow stag]

Anyone else stuttering after the update?

[fossil epoch]

Whats considered endgame is so massively broad depending on who is asked, so jagex just has no way to make everyone happy

[jovial sentinel]

Pretty much.

[civic ginkgo]

I did, have you restarted the launcher and all that jazz?

[fossil epoch]

like "you arent out of the earlygame until you got bowfa" also you need bowfa to start this earlygame boss thats clearly weeker than cg

[true talon]

its just elitism freaks who play 24/7 and operate their actual life on a tick system over seconds/minutes.

[jovial sentinel]

Saying bowfa makes midgame is weird.

[craggy wind]

Reminds me of “you need 5 years experience for our entry level job.”

[willow stag]

i mean ive just hopped on, didnt re-launch

[jovial sentinel]

That only makes sense if youre rushing only that.

And ignore all else.

Ofc you'll skip early/mid

[craggy wind]

“Mid game” is everything past like level 70’s until you’re doing HMT and GM combat achievements with all the mega rares, I’ve gathered lmao

[civic ginkgo]

It's not even just in rs that people struggle with this concept that difficulty is different for everyone, look at the soulsbourne community, they can't comprehend that some people find some bosses easier

[civic ginkgo]

Hmm, what is your problem exactly bud?

[willow stag]

currently chinning in mm2 tunnels, it's stuttering every 5 ticks

[civic ginkgo]

Does it say connection lost whenever it happens? Or just stuttering? That's what my issue was

[willow stag]

just stuttering

like half a sec if that

[civic ginkgo]

People are having issues with connection, it could be the same thing just in a different way

[civic ginkgo]

Have you restarted in the last 20 mins? Or did you just get on before that? They said they fixed the issue about 20 mins ago, maybe a restart might help

[willow stag]

got on 10 mins ago

[civic ginkgo]

Could be the world possibly? Maybe try hopping to another, but I'm kinda running out of ideas 😂

[willow stag]

you're correct lol world 350

is cooked

oh nope

its back

i think it could be the chinning animation

(it is the chinning animation)

[civic ginkgo]

Is it? Is it different then usual?

[willow stag]

so whenever you chin, the splash animation is creates is completely laggy

[civic ginkgo]

Weird, I'm not getting it

[vestal jetty]

Are you delusional? Stop kissing their ass, they can’t even test contracts properly and release them full of bugs. They increased membership prices massively, plenty downtimes, firing of proper staff and keeping some nerds who can’t release a boss without editing it every week.
So basically lets release a boss make it drop this and that, next week lets change drop rates, then week after lets change it again, then a week after lets make pets more easier to obtain? Like wtf dude if you release a boss leave it, as people who worked hard to get it later feels like jagex feeding irons and so on by making it easier.

I really dislike how they adverised yama as end game boss and so, just to be disappointed with people not even wanting to do that boss anymore of how much jagex has ruined it.
Don’t fire people who do good for the game, get rid of people who decide these changes weekly.

You kissing their ass by feeding their ego like they do a good job? They aren’t doing a good job, if you keep feeding their ego they will soon increase membership prices again and you will have drop rate changes every 2 days, they don’t even poll it anymore yet its “community based voted updates”

[willow stag]

ill restart my client

[civic ginkgo]

Let me know how it goes bud

[willow stag]

still happening :/

[fossil epoch]

Someones a bit angry in here, i wish they had reached a better release of yama, im sure they do that themselves, but i think overall the boss was a fantastic release, that people really enjoyed

[obsidian venture]

Think folks are disappointed that duo was what was announced and it doesn’t really engage that. Plus endgame is questionable. The contracts are for sure endgame. The base boss is like 2/3 mid (p1/p2) and p3 feeling more endgame due to flares/waves and a method that engages folks

[civic ginkgo]

I'm at a lose mate, I've tried it in a few different locations and against different mobs, but it isn't happening with me

[fossil epoch]

Its alright being disappointed, and feeling the content didnt live up to what you expect it to!
Calling someone delusional, and an ass kisser for like content, is a bit over the top

[true talon]

How is this feeding irons lmao. they just made it drastically harder for everyone by fixing the strats people were using.

[willow stag]

checked my ping and it isn't ping related, im at a loss too lol

[obsidian venture]

Overall not bad yeah

Goblin also just said it was easier than anticipated

[true talon]

Yama is a end game boss and plenty of people still do it an will continue to do it. and they are doing a good job with the updates. i do agree the contract system was a dumpster fire and we told them dont do it.

[civic ginkgo]

Id say last resort, reset your computer or phone haha, only thing I can think of at this point

[true talon]

Yama released with no contracts woulda been a 100% successful update

[fossil epoch]

while taking some time to learn, all those "fly" methods really trivialised the boss early, making it very free, and mage solos could have been a bit more unforgiving aswell

[true talon]

Makes sense its easier than they expected, they thought the fight was gonna take 5 minutes in a duo. 5 minutes woulda meant you saw more of the astral flares and more mechanics in p3. sadly they let donoflyyamommasleepsontheweekend method live, dropping the boss to about 2:30-3 minutes with no actual interaction with the mechanics.

[willow stag]

it doesnt stutter if it isnt in full screen

[true talon]

70 ticks into p3 you have your first mechanics, p3 ends before the flares or waves even spawn lol.

[fossil epoch]

<@&385422009930219520>

[civic ginkgo]

I'm a bit out of my depth, but that could be a graphic issue?

[obsidian venture]

Thing is, Jmods have said the opposite. It raises the skill needed to execute it

[true talon]

breaking the TOS in the offical discord is actually hilarious

[pine stag]

oh shit lmao this is the official cord

[obsidian venture]

If everyone was able to do so, sure but that’s not the case

[fossil epoch]

the opposite? i had 2 statements? im thinking you meant the fly methods?
They probably liked them yeh, but they did end up removing most of the fight

making the content easier longterm

[true talon]

no the fly methods really ruined the boss, they dont increase the skill required. you are doing bando's. stuff like the 3 tick emberlight or even 4 tick mage p3 is way more difficult than some bando's tile running

[fossil epoch]

because the community is so good at improving and teaching

[obsidian venture]

The fly methods yes. But it doesn’t really remove the fight wws

[thick beacon]

theres plenty of ppl that dont do fly still and u still have to flick prayers

[true talon]

flick prayers? im talking about bypassing wave skips and astral flares.

[obsidian venture]

Actually yes

[true talon]

if you cant flick prayers every 8 ticks thats literally jad

[thick beacon]

well i mean some ppl ive seen call it similar to boak at tob

[obsidian venture]

You have to flick prayers while doing dono fly

[thick beacon]

u netrualize crabs with boak but it takes knowlege to do

[obsidian venture]

While being tick perfect

[true talon]

thats not hard at all,you change your prayer while clicking to your next tile, prayer swaps dont interrupt movement

[obsidian venture]

If it’s not hard then do it 👍

[true talon]

you get 8 ticks to pre-change your prayers before next movement

[thick beacon]

idt its that hard im just saying because there is a small learning curve ppl will avoid learning how to do it and not do it

[obsidian venture]

As is with any method

[true talon]

its not, its literally bando's lol. it has trivialized the boss and caused it to be easier than it should. they can leave nofly but they need to either have the boss p3 be 50% like contracts or have the flares spawn soon so that the boss just doesnt die before doing anything.

[willow stag]

i found out why lol

[civic ginkgo]

What was it?

[true talon]

boss cant be difficult if it dies before it does its mechanics.

[willow stag]

i setup a new webhook in discord loot logger

[willow stag]

but i was spamming it as i left the low value items in

[thick beacon]

i think u could say same stuff about olm gwd etc if u know strats u can kill boss alot "easier" even something like gwd solos is really hard for ppl

[obsidian venture]

Truly don’t think you understand what you’re arguing

[civic ginkgo]

Ahhh yeah, that would make a lot of sense, I've been there but not while chinning, that must have been some hefty drop logs 😂

[minor whale]

P3 mage is so much easier it's literally walk back and forth between 2 tiles
There is no comparison of difficulty to flying
It's just piss easy to do mage p3

[willow stag]

yeah and it was screenshotting every loot

[obsidian venture]

You’re trivializing what depth is in osrs without engaging in it

Which makes it very weird for you to argue for an easier method that lacks engagement

[civic ginkgo]

I had it where basically everything I did was getting screenshotted, I had like 5 GB of photos on my computer 😂

[thick beacon]

infernos alot easier when u can just make blobs invisible with 1t to

[true talon]

walk back an forth in a triangle that changes in 2 patterns, must pray correctly,must change prayer while dodging waves, must dolessdps than melee, must deal with flares while specing then clicking boss to utilize the reduced tick speed on flare kills. must dodge fireballs while dodging waves. none of this is done passively while clicking between 4 tiles like bando's.

[thick beacon]

olm harder to if u deal with specials instead of skipping them

[true talon]

all the contracts are mage only, because its harder XD

[obsidian venture]

Wish @winter hearth could see this 🤣

[thick beacon]

ppl mage contracts cuz its easier

solo fly cycles are much harder ontop of added mechanics of wacky waves/contract restrictions

[obsidian venture]

Tassili hasn’t done a contract and is just yapping lmao

[wide canopy]

The bolt spec and stat reduction tweaks to Yama feel extremely heavy-handed, and introduce a few more layers of ExceptionScape. I never used either methods, but I greatly dislike tweaks like this on principle. Unless a method is actually game-breaking, let the community be creative.

[true talon]

yea it wasnt game breaking, it was strategy to solve the contracts. they seem to not like that. but fine with same strategies ruining other content.

turning corp into a chicken is fine, or reducing every boss in the game to 0 defense is fine.

[civic ginkgo]

Weren't you just complaining that a boss shouldn't be trivialised?

[true talon]

yes. base yama shouldnt.

[obsidian venture]

And it is by mage, not by the melee method

[winter hearth]

Which bit in particular? In and out of meetings so not following closely

[civic ginkgo]

But contract yama should?

[obsidian venture]

@winter hearth about donofly

[obsidian venture]

.

[true talon]

no contract yama should be solved however the player base comes up with, just like base yama has been.

[obsidian venture]

Says the same thing daily on repeat

You should also see his takes on speedrunning

[craggy wind]

Still not sure if this is bait or not

[wide canopy]

Lol, same

[winter hearth]

Oh fair, I guess different strokes for different folks, different people find different things difficult I guess?

[true talon]

bane do you even play the game anymore, wasnt you to upset someone scythe on 116 str instead of 118 in tob and left the raid.

[obsidian venture]

Moreso saying that donofly isn’t engaging and mage is

[winter hearth]

Think any fly is harder than 'mage the dude' though, and we suspected it'd be a thing because it's a scripted encounter

[obsidian venture]

What

[craggy wind]

I am a firm believer of treating people doing a job like humans. Just because I don’t agree, doesn’t just inherently mean they aren’t doing their job. It’s not kissing ass, it’s just being a decent human being. Being a Keyboard warrior does not make you hard. @vestal jetty

[civic ginkgo]

Complaining that a boss is too easy, then when they do something to make it more difficult to them complain again is wild

[obsidian venture]

I play the game but not as much

[true talon]

they both are engaging. i said donofly is trivializing the boss fight by killing it before it does any mechanics in p3, which is true.

[wide canopy]

"Mage the dude" is the only strat I've learned so far. Can confirm, it's braindead enough for me to figure it out.

[obsidian venture]

@true talon can you read mate

Open eyes for a second

[civic ginkgo]

Bolting and speccing it down is also trivialising the fight

[true talon]

idc what method is harder my guy.......

[obsidian venture]

But you do as you keep yapping about it

[true talon]

my point is their view on the encounter being easier than they assumed, is because the fight ends in p3 before there is literally any mechanics.

[obsidian venture]

If you didn’t care we wouldn’t be having this conversation

[civic ginkgo]

You can't complain about one, and then say the other is fine

[obsidian venture]

You’re reaching

[true talon]

you just latch onto some dumb wording of me saying herpa derpa the mage method is harder than my bando's melee method.

[obsidian venture]

The said the base fight is easier than expected. Not due to any method. As for the method, they said it’s more engaging than maging

I’m sure if you can read you can see this

[wide canopy]

I've been here all of 8 minutes. @true talon mate I've no idea what you actually want, you just kinda seem generally upset.

[obsidian venture]

Avg complainer with 0 game knowledge

[true talon]

if you take me being upset then you are looking at this with emotion lol. i dont care either way, im bringing up a statement.

[obsidian venture]

Bringing up a false statement

Nice

Just say it’s your opinion and move on

[true talon]

bringing up that base yama is easier than expected, because killtimes are half of what they expected? thats a false statement lol.

[obsidian venture]

They didn’t expand on that part, hence you’re assuming

[true talon]

your always trolling, i think its time to put you on ignore.

[thick beacon]

so do u want ppl to mage yama as the meta?

[civic ginkgo]

Same guy that wants purging staff to be 4t btw

[obsidian venture]

I’m never trolling

[true talon]

no.......

[obsidian venture]

You just lack game knowledge

Which is whatever really

[obsidian venture]

LMAO

[true talon]

I want the boss to freaking live in p3 long enough to do its intended mechanics of flares and dual waves.

[thick beacon]

idk how they would deal with fly doing what your saying though apart from making melee really bad

[obsidian venture]

they’d chain orbs like medic

Yay more of a shit fight for everyone

[civic ginkgo]

Then do that, no one's stopping you from prolonging the fight

[thick beacon]

u get that in contracts/solos more so

[true talon]

fly is fine, the challenge comes from the later cycles. but you never see that cycle, because boss is dead before the 70 ticks into the encounter.

[civic ginkgo]

Use blue moon armour

[obsidian venture]

Which he can’t do

Talks about them but can’t do it

Classic osrs player

🥱

[civic ginkgo]

Go in with a whip or something, but don't try and tell people how to play the game

[versed merlin]

Crafting guide became a thieving guide (click in game skill)

[true talon]

guys this is not about me or personal reasons with the boss'

[civic ginkgo]

It's known

[versed merlin]

Didn't know, so thx 😄

[civic ginkgo]

Hasn't been discussed in a bit, so you're forgiven 😂

[thick beacon]

like i prefer doing solo cox over team cox cuz of hm more depth/engaging olm is. if u find duo yama easy just try out solo

its definitely way more complex

[true talon]

i have almost 1500 kc, idc about the method. im only suggesting how to bring the boss difficulty up and engagement up to match all this precieved (end game boss) ideology. this is not a personal reason.

[thick beacon]

can do nofly to engage with more of mechanics as well