leagues-general

[lapis flax]

so infinite natures is whatever

regen doesnt specify combat spell idk why i thought it did

[languid mauve]

U can also just buy natures depending on ur region choices

Or casting bind spells will get them too

[cursive edge]

cam torum shop

sells natures

[unkempt terrace]

^

How's everyone doing this morning?

[wet loom]

Im starting to go insane actually planning my leagues route because its so close now

[languid mauve]

Thats too bright

It had to go lol

[languid mauve]

Good u i just woke up

[unkempt terrace]

Same

[languid mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-meme-gif-25742319

[wet loom]

wake up, roll out of bed, hop on leagues discord

[unkempt terrace]

Made some eggs and toast

[languid mauve]

Heck yea

Gotta see how the bros doin

And everyone who isnt a bro lol

[tranquil pond]

Ive heard mixed opinions on gotr in leagues, does it solve RC or not?

[tacit oyster]

im having hard time choosing t1, 2 and 5 relic. T1 either barbarian or abundance, t2 either forager or woodsman, t5 literally any of them works

[languid mauve]

It would solve rc but will take effort

[unkempt terrace]

gotr is Misthaln, no?

[tranquil pond]

Moved to desert apparently

[tacit oyster]

if you want pretty slow xp it does solve it. desert does also have close tele to fire altar which you can use for faster xp

[tranquil pond]

Same with levi

[unkempt terrace]

bruh

[languid mauve]

Im 92 Rc in main game and 1 round nets me about 4400 xp. Not counting xp gained from making runes during game

So maybe 20-30k xp per game depending on level and ur multiplier

[tranquil pond]

Yeah, im split very heavily on that tier, larcenist makes thieving a dream, soul fragments solve rc and make prayer super chill, and natures accord solves farming while also giving a really nice teleport item

[languid mauve]

Larcenist is also a guaranteed money solve

[copper gorge]

Im going larc

[tranquil pond]

Def using reloaded to pick a second one from this tier

[unkempt terrace]

Same, going Larc for the GP

[copper gorge]

Natures accord is pretty solved with transmute

[languid mauve]

And if you have access to Ardy thats 1200 coin pouches if u beat elite tier

[tranquil pond]

Im rolling mage so my plan was to just sell runes

[languid mauve]

They wont net u the kind of money you think

Soecially if you want to grind con lvls

[tranquil pond]

It'll net me enough to get by

[languid mauve]

U will need a lot of money

[tranquil pond]

Im going butler's bell, he'll help supplement the planks

Im too dumb to properly use transmutation

[languid mauve]

Im going full water mage that dips into extra accuracy and prayer pen

[tacit oyster]

plank costs are not big issue for con. money is issue if you want to go for the super fast methods

[tranquil pond]

Im doing mostly the same, with the plan to go up to either earth or air for more single target damage

[copper gorge]

Im starting water until i can get to t6 then ill reset

[languid mauve]

Its not hard, oh you got 80 fletching or 85 and want to make a magic bow but u got no access to magic trees let alone wc level. U go cut a regular log and u use transmute to turn it into a magic log and cut it into a bow

[tranquil pond]

Right, but that isnt useful to me

[languid mauve]

Yeah thats sorta my idea too use water until i get near end game and switch for max power

[tranquil pond]

I'll probably never level ranged unless i run into a specific reason to do so

[lost herald]

im gonna have infinite darts to make

[wet loom]

being able to access wrath runes asap is a huge selling point of transmute relic for me

[languid mauve]

I was just saying i wont be going transmute either

[lost herald]

you would still need the 90+ mage tho

[tranquil pond]

Kandarin gives wrath runes

[lapis flax]

transmute gets you there pretty quickl;y

[languid mauve]

Nope thats fremmy

Wrong reply

[lapis flax]

kasndarin gives you altar

[wet loom]

which you get by transmuting air runes while doing literally anything else

[lapis flax]

and completes DS2

[tranquil pond]

Wildy also gives wrath runes if you have enough regen

[languid mauve]

How u gonna craft then

[lost herald]

yama drops wrath runes btw

[lapis flax]

95 rc

[languid mauve]

I mean how tho

[copper gorge]

It will be for tasks

[tranquil pond]

Ah, so kourend too

[tranquil pond]

Eh, i'm in no rush

[lapis flax]

soul harvest or some shet idk 🤣

[languid mauve]

Fremmy vorkath drops talisman and wrath runes

I hate typing mobile

[tranquil pond]

Soul harvest sounds super nice for rc leveling

[lost herald]

i think this league we can fight yama without needed kourend

[unkempt terrace]

Not from what I've seen. Zeah is the only area with a pact locked behind something with Yama

[languid mauve]

At 91 if u got sol harvest and fairy teleport mushroom

[wet loom]

why would specifically kourend have the yama pact task then?

[languid mauve]

U will have to near nat altar

Tp*

[lapis flax]

you cant

[wet loom]

if you down transmute air runes do you get noted essence or unnoted essence?

[unkempt terrace]

Noted

[unique smelt]

Noted

[unkempt terrace]

I believe was confirmed by a jmod

[wet loom]

damnit

[outer aurora]

I asked this earlier
But does anyone know if Guthix Rest counts as food for Eternal Sustenance?
I tried using it with On a Diet in ToA, and it said I could not use it due to it being food
But it works in Duel Arena, IIRC

[tranquil pond]

I plan to have both, reloaded seems to be goated for that tier of relics since theyre all great

[true yarrow]

Fremmy seems pretty bad this league

[lapis flax]

not been confuirmed by husky as of yet

[languid mauve]

Yeah im still on the fence about tier 7 and tier 4 but we will see when we hit those milestones

[outer aurora]

The benefit would be you can just spam eat forever, and not reset attack timer, right

[languid mauve]

Wat

[outer aurora]

Like, you have 7 tick xbow
Shoot
6 ticks of eating
Shoot again on time

[tranquil pond]

Yeah, its not set in stone until youve finished selecting it

[languid mauve]

Yeah lol

[copper gorge]

Ill be set in stone at 11 today

[wet loom]

this would be way too big brain for me to ever get right

[copper gorge]

Once t8 relic revealed

[unkempt terrace]

I'd say out of all the regions, Fremmy seems like the worst. However, it all boils down to playstyle and how much people enjoy content.

[wet loom]

Fremmy was so good last league, those echo items were a dream

[tranquil pond]

I cant quite decide on my regions, i know i want kandarin and kourend, then im probably going desert because i really want ancients, and dont want to give up culling spree for grimoire

[unkempt terrace]

Agreed, I don't think the helm brings much though

[lapis flax]

i wish the helm was better stats than alternatives

[languid mauve]

I need fremmy for my build

[unkempt terrace]

Molti, why do you want Ancients?

[outer aurora]

I think the helm is really good
Its an entire relic crammed into a helmet lol

[unkempt terrace]

Personally, I think it's a waste of a relic if you're going K/Z

[tranquil pond]

Mainly for afk aoe slayer farming

[tranquil pond]

Thats why id be going desert instead of grimoire, because grimoire really seems like a waste

[true yarrow]

None of fremmy's uniques seem to synergize well with any of the interesting pacts

[unkempt terrace]

I think Spree would help out a lot more with that

[languid mauve]

Not just their unique

[tranquil pond]

Yeah, spree + desert

[unkempt terrace]

K/Z/D is pretty nice selection

I'm going K/Z/A

[tranquil pond]

What specifically from asgarnia?

[wet loom]

Im pretty dead set on doing Kandarin, Morytania, Tyranwynn. Probably air mage eventually with dipping respecs into a blindbag build for fun at some point. Barbarian Harvesting, Woodsman, Alacrity, Transmuation, Larcenist, Grimoire, Flow State, Minion

[unkempt terrace]

The content really

[tranquil pond]

Ye, fair

[unkempt terrace]

Also final build is gonna be a c'bow build

so Zcb

[true yarrow]

The fremmy helm isn't bad but armor is just not very exciting compared to weapons

[unkempt terrace]

As well as Max Treads

[tranquil pond]

Kandarin, mory, tyranwin seems like a really flexible region setup

[tranquil pond]

Ah, true,
Im probably going air mage as my end game, so i'll be doing the devout boots

[tacit oyster]

KMT is good for powered staves. KTZ would be better air mage

[tranquil pond]

Im a little worried about having two raid regions because of how much ive heard people say to not do that
Ive never even done cox or toa yet on my main

[wet loom]

Emote Clue Steps unlock based on regions you unlock right? I was going through them and you wouldnt be able to get one that say, requires a halibard without having unlocked Tyranwyn I believe

[tranquil pond]

Yeah, kandarin and zeah are basically required for air mage

[copper gorge]

Only thing im not set on is flow state or reload into grim for slayer farming

[unkempt terrace]

Could always go Fremmy for Dragonbone Necklaces

lol

[wet loom]

Is there a huge negative for not having the like...4 more pray bonus Zeah gives with the boots + necklace with air mage?

[languid mauve]

Oh thats why i was going frem was for wrath runes among about 5 other things

[tranquil pond]

Air mage also gets more damage per active prayer

[true yarrow]

I'd be more interested in fremmy if the helm counted as on-task for everything, but as is you kinda still have to take culling spree in order to actually get the task you want

[tranquil pond]

You could bypass that with grimoire i guess

[wet loom]

which can be avoided with grimoire

[true yarrow]

why would you want to avoid it

[languid mauve]

Aight im out gl in your leagues

[tranquil pond]

Lets you do airmage without needing kourend

[wet loom]

The not having the slayer helm bonus is a big deal on some of the harder bosses, but you also would need to get a slayer task for those bosses.

[tacit oyster]

You can run stole and echo boots with grimoire if you want to avoid zeah as air mage

[tranquil pond]

You too

[unkempt terrace]

You could always go blindbag 6-scythes lmao

[wet loom]

I really am not a fan of Yama, and I've never done CoX but I've heard its not as fast/rewarding as the other 2 raids. Those are the major reasons

[unkempt terrace]

Or Dagger/Fire Mage

[true yarrow]

kandarin only air mage https://dps.osrs.wiki/?id=HillsWaveLederhosen

[unkempt terrace]

Ehh nah

C'bows

[outer aurora]

nally 5 scythes is goated

[visual stone]

Might make that by the last few days of the league if I'm lucky, but that'll be a rough 7.5 weeks before then 😬

[tranquil pond]

Kourend seems to be the hardest to complete too, since you need the radiant oathplate, not just the regular

[unkempt terrace]

Just get spooned?

[tranquil pond]

How long is a league?

[unkempt terrace]

Usuallly 2 months

[visual stone]

8 weeks I believe

[tranquil pond]

Thats pretty short

[tacit oyster]

Scythes are pretty easy. You will struggle with 3 ornate kits though

[wet loom]

My first experience with Yama was on Gridmaster and I went EXTREMELY dry on him, and he kept dropping these contracts that I would just die instantly on because I had no idea what to do. It was an awful first experience.

[true yarrow]

yeah I'm probably going mory over kourend just to avoid radiant oathplate grind

[wet loom]

Going Mory is what convinced me it could be OK to drop culling spree

[true yarrow]

contracts are hard even with pacts

lots of instakill mechanics

[true yarrow]

culling spree is more about the task choosing than it is the slayer helm benefits

[inner zenith]

most random auto complete ever?: Enter the Combat Training Camp north of West Ardougne

[wet loom]

The vibes of the Yama boss fight are wonderful, but I struggle hard with running over the lines on the floor, I can never get the timing right so its just a crapshoot if I choose to click at the right ime

[tranquil pond]

Like, "lots of damage" instakill? Or "health set to 0" instakill
Will 90% overheal save me?

[true yarrow]

health set to zero instakill

[tranquil pond]

Uh oh

[true yarrow]

I guess that's really just the forfeit breath contract

others you can probably make easier with overheal

[tranquil pond]

Eh, i can just leave it for last anyways

Surely by then i'll be a pvm master

My current pvm experience ends with quest cape and a bit of muspah farming under my belt

[true yarrow]

oh sensory clouding/divine severence are instakill too

if you fail the void flares

so 3/5 have health set to zero instakills

[tacit oyster]

forfeith breath is pretty easy with high dps. void flare will be issue though, not sure if glyph can protect from the oneshot either

seems like glyphs can protect since says " the resulting explosion will cause instant death if the player is not protected against them"

so you would face tank other mechanics and only use glyphs on flare

I think i will go barbarian gathering in T1 instead of abundance, only t5 that really helps me is larcenist which would give enough money. Abundance would be nice but barbarian gathering just has more synergy with other relics/regions

[zinc olive]

punch rock

[tacit oyster]

desert and zeah barb gathering also helps with boss/raid but i guess i have d pick from kq

honestly i could start abundance and take barb gathering t7, depending how many points you need to unlock it.

nah barb gathering into flow state better since im taking map of alctrity without hotfoot

[stiff hinge]

will respawn times for ores and trees and such be boosted like it has been in previous leagues?

[tacit oyster]

boosted like before

[stiff hinge]

i am suddenly reconsidering the value of EH

[tranquil pond]

As someone that loves afk strats, EH is an easy pick for me

[tacit oyster]

EH still has good xp/h increase since they decided to double xp as well as the resources

[cinder remnant]

Last relic today let’s go

[stiff hinge]

i think the problem is that i've been trained to hate osrs "AFK" because usually you only get a minute tops, and that's not enough for me to do anything

but EH is literally half an hour per click so

[tacit oyster]

click tree -> go do something else for 30min

[cinder remnant]

Click tree go to gym lol

[tacit oyster]

butler takes it to another level, click once and then click again 1 week later

[wet loom]

Larcenist has me salivating for this reason too, picking Kandarin you can set yourself up and get a bunch of money and a couple HUNDRED clue scrolls, who needs the clue relic?

[tacit oyster]

without kandarin larcenist really only for easy clues

[wet loom]

Yeah, I'm going Kandarin and Tyranwynn though, so Larcenist is so good of a pick for me

[tacit oyster]

if you get all shared rewards from easy clues that means you get 150-170 collection slots with just easy clues

[wet loom]

And I'm going minion (barring today's reveal being like "you do 2x damage" ) so having a solve for those zammy items feels great too

[tacit oyster]

im still debating if i want to take flow state t7 or reload into conniving clues, really just depends on tasks

[wet loom]

Does the minion specifically need clue items or could I give him like an unholy necklace?

[dusk wharf]

Will you be able to train construction if you don't have access to rimmington ?

[tacit oyster]

any zamorak item

[tacit oyster]

house in aldarin

[stiff hinge]

wildy or kandarin can both get hards from thieving

[wet loom]

Kandarin also gets mediums from gnomes

[stiff hinge]

and elites from heroes at a stupid low rate but i know those are more reasonable from pvm

[wet loom]

And the rewards from elites are generally pretty trash, so the fact that culling spree gives you them falls pretty flat for me

[stiff hinge]

i'm thinking culling mostly because i don't feel strongly about any of the t6 relics

kourend so i have the prayers, don't really care about lunars or ancients

[tranquil pond]

Its crab levels of afk, but on so many other skills

[wet loom]

The biggest change for me is I thought I would be able to get unnoted pure essence by downcasting air runes with transmute. Because that's no longer the case and because I dont want to go Soul Harvest, I'm going to feel like I have to pick map of alacrity so I can get to the true blood altar in Morytania

[tranquil pond]

Wait no, more than crab

Crab's only 10

[stiff hinge]

3x longer than crab yeah

[wet loom]

Its just 3 skills, right?

[stiff hinge]

fishing, trees and mining, yeah

[wet loom]

EH has great synergy with hotfoot

[tranquil pond]

I guess its technically less skills than crab, but it feels like more because combat blends together

[tacit oyster]

culling is nice since you can spend some effort to get 200 kill task for any boss that normally has boss task

[crimson coyote]

does the drygore blowpipe burn get buffed from any of the fire pacts?

[tranquil pond]

Doesnt sound like it

I think only the dogger applies fire pacts

[manic prairie]

thoughts on this? https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-10-100-101-11-134-135-136-139-140-141-145-150-151-152-161-6-61-62-63-64-7-71-73-74-8-81-82-83-84-86-87-92-93-94-95-96-97-98-99

[tacit oyster]

also if you have terrible build for killing low hp targets or aoe you can select high hp single target tasks

[tranquil pond]

Or the inverse, get multi combat tasks back to back

[tacit oyster]

tirannwn and asgarnia specifically gain huge boost on task with culling spree since it stacks with void and crystal

[tranquil pond]

Slayer helm requires mory and ... kandarin?
So its not like many people would have the helm anyways

[stiff hinge]

or

culling spree :)

[toxic vortex]

If you are going for mage, slayer relic will help the heart grind

[stiff hinge]

heart is next to useless for mage

since it doesn't stack with the free +10 mage levels from the pact

[grave pollen]

True but also means you got to do Sherlock clues

[tacit oyster]

morytania regular + kandarin for imbued, fremmenik for echo slayer helm

[tranquil pond]

I need high slayer for hydra and kandarin echo boss

[stiff hinge]

also yeah you need fremmy to get imbued heart (i) and that's cringe

[crimson coyote]

how awful would olm be if i have a melee/ ranged build with no mage pacts? would it slow down the raid a ton?

[tranquil pond]

Enough accuracy makes anything reasonable

[stiff hinge]

except for the part where olm takes 1/3 damage

it sucks balls, don't do it

[tacit oyster]

33% effective still better than trying to use 0 pact style

[stiff hinge]

ehhhhhhhh

[tranquil pond]

Oh, wasnt aware he legit just ignores a percentage, thats wack

[stiff hinge]

nah nah he takes reduced damage

[wet loom]

And Falo clues, but with no Misthalin unlocked Falo can only ask for like 4 things

[stiff hinge]

you'll still hit every single time

it will just suck

[tranquil pond]

Glad im going mage

Hope theres nothing like that, but the inverse

[visual stone]

What regions are you thinking of taking with this?

[tacit oyster]

like if your dps is 50 normally, that means you have 16.5 dps on olm hand that are resistance to the style

[grave pollen]

Well and if you get the relic, those aren’t an issue either

[stiff hinge]

50 dps is a lot though

[manic prairie]

kourend at least for dihns as main weapon

[tacit oyster]

40-50 dps is what most builds cap at

[stiff hinge]

yeah

well

[manic prairie]

could go mori for scythe or asgarnia for godswords

[fringe bane]

do blowpipes count as a thrown weapon? because they use darts?

[wet loom]

build looks like a lot of fun, you might want to take Morytania for the justicar set

[stiff hinge]

is that 50dps on crab or 50dps on olm? those are pretty different

[manic prairie]

justicar and bandos are about the same

theres also torva and oathplate that can work

[tacit oyster]

shadow with max gear and no pacts is like 12 dps on olm mage hand

[dusk wharf]

Yes

[wet loom]

Justicar has better fashion, BIS

[tacit oyster]

most crossbow builds for example have 90-95% accuracy on olm even on 10man scale CM

overload+ compansates for the lost accuracy

[velvet flume]

When does the final relic get announced?

[wet loom]

1.5ish hours

[stiff hinge]

hour and a half ish

[velvet flume]

Ty

[dusk wharf]

The Drygore Blowpipe has 10 less ranged str than the toxic bp?

[stiff hinge]

max range zcb with onyx dragon bolts seems to do ~29.5 dps on olm range head, i presume king's barrage will be more and the calc is just not very well implemented for it

[stiff hinge]

yes, but much much higher accuracy and burn

[stiff hinge]

but that's an impossible combination since it's asg+wildy+desert+kourend

[tacit oyster]

king's barrage deals more dmg on mage hand and less damage on head in calc

[stiff hinge]

🤔

[manic prairie]

does dihns count as an offhand?

i know it counts as a shield

[minor summit]

It does not

It's a two handed shield

[cursive edge]

Does olm have some kind of damage reduction? DPS drops a ton on Olm head vs other things, even tho accuracy doesn’t

[stiff hinge]

yes, damage reduced to 33% when off-style

[tacit oyster]

66% damage reduction to wrong style

[cursive edge]

No but

Ranging the head

You look at olm head max hit vs chicken

[tacit oyster]

is culling spree active? doesnt work on olm

[cursive edge]

Last time I looked the max hit was lower on olm head, couldnt work out why

[tacit oyster]

king's barrage also deals less damage on head

[cursive edge]

By way more than 15%

Ahh maybe it’s that

The 2nd bolt being treated as the wrong style?

[stiff hinge]

king's barrage is wonky, it's like mixed range/mage but rolling from range stats i think

[potent quail]

I think the damge is 100% range

[cursive edge]

So you swap to dhcb for head then eh

[potent quail]

And the freeze is a bonus effect

[stiff hinge]

the trick is to don't do cox solo

[manic prairie]

is 2 tiles away the same as 1 gap or 2 gap?

[tacit oyster]

wiki dps scales the 2nd bolt with water ice barrage buff from pacts so it would be magic multiplier at end for 2nd calculation

[stiff hinge]

2 gap, ordinary melee range = 1 tile distance

it is very very funny looking at the difference between air mage on the 3 olm parts though

14.6dps on head, 16dps on left claw, 57.6dps on right claw

[tacit oyster]

just hard to know how it works actually since %magic damage doesnt apply on king's barrage.

would need jmods to go test it

[cursive edge]

I thought it does now?

[tacit oyster]

the overheal from water tree works, default %magic damage does not. So hard to say if the 2nd bolt would get reduced on olm or not. can just assume it will be reduced damage and jmods have told it to wiki team

[cursive edge]

I don’t trust anything fully from wiki dps calc until Monday night

[undone snow]

when i catch moonlight moths will woodsman relic make them jarred in my bank?

[cursive edge]

Since husky is gonna clean it up with them on Monday

[cursive edge]

Good question!

I hope so, I’m takin woodsman

[tacit oyster]

i will just go friendly forager and use prayer pots

[manic prairie]

dinhs bulwark only having 38 strength is sad

it should be 150

[tacit oyster]

dinh's passive scales str bonus with your defence bonus instead

but only really effective at extremely high defence bonuses

[stiff hinge]

it's [((all melee+range def) - 800) / 12] - 38

what a wacky formula

[tacit oyster]

at max defence bonus it is actually better to use barrows gloves instead of ferocious

[stiff hinge]

makes sense

oh wait it's even worse than i thought

max effect is like +60 str from the def scaling lol

[manic prairie]

i can also read the wiki

but max defense in leagues would still make it 98 str

other 2h melee weapons have 130 str

i mean, at least its 5t

compared to the others being 6t

[stiff hinge]

and that means you're using justy, barrows, guardians, suffering, fury and not torva, ferocious, avernics, ultor, rancour

[manic prairie]

barrows gloves probably arent in the game

its using confliction gauntlets

might be better with torva tho

[cursive edge]

Hmmmmm. For my TWM powered staff build.. what if I just spec crossbows first, run hunter sunlight crossbow and take W first, use KCB to carry me until I have toxic trident and full crystal

And then use a respec

[manic prairie]

11 more strength with torva

[cursive edge]

That seems a lot better than trying to rush a toxic trident

[manic prairie]

so 11 more strength or 15% damage reduction on all non magic damage

wiht thorns its actually a hard one tbh

[manic prairie]

hunter sunlight is like 70 hunter and requires a hunter crossbow to begin with

might not be available without yanille

[stiff hinge]

can be bought at sunset coast in leagues

[potent quail]

Rcb with diamond bolts

And onyx bolts later

[stiff hinge]

getting an rcb early on sucks

[manic prairie]

hunter crossbow could also be disgusting too

[potent quail]

Then a adamantite crossbow lol

[manic prairie]

like as a final weapon

well

pre final

[stiff hinge]

addy cbow ALSO sucks

[manic prairie]

it wont compete with dragon bolts enchanted

but it will with dragon crossbow

[potent quail]

Dont underedtimated onyx bolts

These are freaking crazy good

[mossy pond]

Anything which solves RC besides the bone shard relic?

[copper gorge]

Not doing it?

[manic prairie]

if only you could read the next message

[potent quail]

Map helps but font think solves it

[stiff hinge]

you can buy addy limbs if you have fremmy, or you have to make it the hard way

[copper gorge]

Gotr?

[manic prairie]

desert

[stiff hinge]

rune limbs drop from steel/iron dragons in karamja

[copper gorge]

Sunlight hunter xbow might be a strong play

[stiff hinge]

or like, kbd/dag supreme/aviansies

[mossy pond]

That’s what I’m feeling right now honestly

[manic prairie]

hunter crossbow outdoes rune crossbow imo

especially at 5t

[stiff hinge]

i wouldn't be surprised at all

[copper gorge]

Its also a prayer solve but hunter rumors will give a shitload of bone shards

[stiff hinge]

does anybody know if there's a wiki shortcut to actually go straight to the dps calc from an address on the main wiki page

[potent quail]

With Onyx bolts? you sure? Dont have the fps calc open

[copper gorge]

Not trying to be funny or a smart ass but like quests/lamps/ whatever to get you the needed points you dont need to 99 all skills

[hollow wraith]

is it dumb to go for crossbow build but not go for the wilderness

[copper gorge]

Unless youre trying to max

[stiff hinge]

zcb fucks

[true yarrow]

true blood altar has agility shortcut right next to it

[potent quail]

I am trying to foguring that out

[stiff hinge]

so i would say no but it might not be optimal but like who cares

[true yarrow]

so you can teleport close if you take mory + alacrity

[manic prairie]

my dude, stop reacting to shit out of context

[hollow wraith]

yeah im thinking of just going for zcb, masori and idk for last region

maybe kourend for twisted buckler

[copper gorge]

Who is getting onyx bolts that quickly?

[zinc olive]

what do you want from wildy if not kcb?

[copper gorge]

Hunter cbow and sunlight cbow are not end game xbows

[zinc olive]

oh i misread mb

[copper gorge]

Gotta get to 77 but also nature altar does too

[true yarrow]

yeah can use natures to get to 77 or just lamp it

[copper gorge]

Kandarin has ourania altar

[stiff hinge]

hmmm

[potent quail]

It is solid with diamond bolts
And onyx bolts are the endgame upgrade
With onyx dtagon bolts beeing the final one

And yes that the question how to get them, everyone can trade up gems in Karamja,

Transmutation users have it trivial, but all others i am unsure what the route is

[languid mauve]

Hey im guessing theres no way to buy noted uncut gems from a gem stall? Wait!!! Larcenist can thieve uncut gems then you can use transmutation to turn them into dragonstone for serious crafting xp

[true yarrow]

zcb is good, ballista has some fun builds

[stiff hinge]

nah all else being equal i think rcb always beats sunlight bow

[manic prairie]

i dont see balista being that good, its gonna be like 10t

[copper gorge]

Gunna take you a long time to trade up gems to get onyx's

[cursive edge]

Does that even beat the sunlight cbow?

[true yarrow]

there's sweaty options to speed it up like dragon thrownaxe specs

[stiff hinge]

rcb with rune bolts beats sunlight cbow

[copper gorge]

Using comparative bolts sunlight > rcb

[cursive edge]

Yeah going woodsman, should be easy enough

[languid mauve]

Naa thieve with larcenist and you can transmute up to dragonstone since larcenist turns theft into noted form

Then u can make any bolt

[potent quail]

I think so

[copper gorge]

Not onyx

[languid mauve]

U can just buy tokkul for runes

[potent quail]

Yeah good point you have 3 ooptions though

Ore, runes and gemstoned

[languid mauve]

Money is infinite with lsrcenist

[true yarrow]

ballista -> swap to thrownaxe and spec -> swap back to ballista

[languid mauve]

Buy runes from rune shop death runes and then sell in tzhaar city

[true yarrow]

4t ballista or something like that

[stiff hinge]

i'm not seeing it https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=BlackjackoPurpleUseless

[languid mauve]

U simply need 1 onyx bolt and u got infinite from there

[stiff hinge]

rune bolts are a safe assumption since you can get them from the steel dragons you'll be killing for your rcb

[languid mauve]

With pact nodes

[stiff hinge]

hitting gemstone crab the rcb still wins

[potent quail]

Diamond bolts (e) high alch for 126 coins

[cursive edge]

you wont get >100% regen for a while

youll have 80% for most of early/midgame

[potent quail]

Fair

[cursive edge]

realistically 16 or 17 points

[potent quail]

Mhh a bit offtopic, how does avas work with the rgeneration

You can only get it this league from vorkath

[unkempt terrace]

9 points for 110% if you wanted to

[potent quail]

If i read it right

[cursive edge]

12-13 to get crossbow capstones

then 4 more for regen in mage tree, if youre goin that way

or 5 for the neutral one

[potent quail]

Nah you need to get the cbow masterys first

[true yarrow]

quiver works too

[cursive edge]

quiver has weird ammo recovery

its like 40%

[unkempt terrace]

I just meant if you're trying to path to 100% for earliest

[cursive edge]

not 72 or 80%

[unkempt terrace]

It's 9 points

[cursive edge]

minion picks up your ammo tho

not that youll really need it by that stage

unless you want all the GP from onyx bolts

[unkempt terrace]

Minion only picks up loot dropped by mobs no?

[cursive edge]

nah it says ammo too

[stiff hinge]

do you have a source for that, considering wiki just says "quiver has ammo-saving by default" and it ordinarily only has the ammo-saving copied from accumulator or assembler

[potent quail]

Onyx bolt e also requires 87 magic

[unkempt terrace]

Yeah but by the time you get Tier 8 Relic, you'll have over 100%

[cursive edge]

source is my Varlamore locked UIM who has a quiver and no ava's

[stiff hinge]

🤔

i'm sorry to hear that

[cursive edge]

most people go talk to ava to apply the avas effect to it

so never notice this jank

but yeah it saves around 40% of ammo inherently

[cursive edge]

but in theory you still would earn GP From some sort of avas or minion looting fired ammo

with onx bolts

[manic prairie]

i wonder if avas will add more ammo with the combat relics

[potent quail]

You can kill TzHaar-Ket
Gor onyx bolt tips

1/51

[cursive edge]

which wiki page says that? the quiver page doesnt

[potent quail]

Or 1/38 with ring of wealth

[unkempt terrace]

Or just go Larc for money solve

[cursive edge]

i would imagine so. you still fire bolts, its just that you simultaneously regenerate one too

[unkempt terrace]

Although early, Transmute -> Rune Ore for alching

Is the best money

[potent quail]

Of course this also works

But i rather want a relic independent solve

[stiff hinge]

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Demonic_Pacts_League#Boss_and_drop_changes

Dizana's quiver has ammo saving enabled by default.

[cursive edge]

ahhh right

[blissful fjord]

I wonder if culling sprees always active slayer helm buff will stack eith void? Usually impossible since they are both based on the helm slot...

[cursive edge]

thats a demonic pacts change

specifically

[stiff hinge]

yeah

[cursive edge]

not main game

[copper gorge]

For leagues? Good luck getting rune cbow

[cursive edge]

main game yeah it has a secret 40% ammo saving that maybe 5 people knew about until ive shared it in this chat lmao

[potent quail]

It should

[copper gorge]

Main game sure.

[stiff hinge]

sir the steel dragons are right there

[copper gorge]

Still gotta get the limbs

[stiff hinge]

i know!

i've done it before!

[unkempt terrace]

No need for a Rune C'bow

Sunlight c'bow is best

[stiff hinge]

it's not

[copper gorge]

And smith then

[cursive edge]

am going wildy first region, and woodsman

[copper gorge]

Fletch*

[cursive edge]

so itll be easy

[stiff hinge]

the point is that i linked a very basic setup where rune cbow just outperforms sunlight

[potent quail]

Yeah farming steel dragon will be hell lol

[stiff hinge]

and by very basic i mean it has perks you take no matter what and nothing but cbow+bolts and blue d'hide gear

[cursive edge]

tbf tho you had unenchanted bolts? do diamond/rubies add more dps or less?

[true yarrow]

enchanted bolts would make the gap bigger

[stiff hinge]

enchanted bolts would lean it even further in the favour of the rcb, yeah

[cursive edge]

i do think 16 points come much later than you think btw. Youll be in black dhide with glory etc by then

[potent quail]

Diamond bolts (e) have a 10% chance (5% chance against another player) of triggering the Armour Piercing effect. This increases the maximum damage by 15% (26% when under the effect of the Zaryte crossbow) for that hit and guarantees it will be a successful hit.

Also helps with accuracy against all enemys

Onyx bolt foes give more damage and healing
But doesnt have the guaranteed hit

[stiff hinge]

you can be in full god d'hide and glory

it doesn't make a difference

rcb+rune bolts > sunlight

[unkempt terrace]

https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=FilledCodexCosmic

Not really

[stiff hinge]

🤔

[unkempt terrace]

That's also with Onyx(e)

[stiff hinge]

oh, that's without any pacts

[unkempt terrace]

Correct

[stiff hinge]

right

so it's not actually a relevant situation

[unkempt terrace]

lmao bruh

[stiff hinge]

sir this is the leagues channel how are you going to get an rcb without any pacts

[unkempt terrace]

You said the base

Without pactrs

For early game

????

[copper gorge]

You can get sunlight without pacts 🤷‍♂️

[potent quail]

Of couse we mean with pacts

Well i did

[stiff hinge]

and by very basic i mean it has perks you take no matter what and nothing but cbow+bolts and blue d'hide gear

i meant pacts* not perks

[copper gorge]

Well yeah... But in leagues youcan use rcb for end game stuff

[stiff hinge]

i would never ever suggest comparing any weapons in any circumstances without pacts except as a benchmark of "this is what main game performance looks like"

[copper gorge]

Not 100% ideal but itll manage

[potent quail]

https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=BandosPlushMetal

More if you tske the 2 tick slowdown on rcb

[stiff hinge]

i think sunlight is better until you take the +2t +70% pact, which is at 7 pacts

[copper gorge]

You can also get sunlight without leaving varlamore

[unkempt terrace]

If we're talking pacts than yes RCB is better, Sunlight is just more accessable.

[potent quail]

Is it though

[true yarrow]

Yeah the 2t pact is barely a DPS change on sunlight

[stiff hinge]

it's actually a very slight decrease

i had to stop and sanity check my numbers

.x69 is actually lower than .x84 thank you

[unkempt terrace]

It's a 4% increase?

[true yarrow]

it's 70% more damage, but 66.7% slower attack speed

[cursive edge]

https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=BlizzardRadaDisarmer

I'm gonna do this I think. 1 > 2 > 3 (may skip 2, barely a dps boost)

Abundance > Woodsman, Wildy first region.

[unkempt terrace]

^

[potent quail]

I think as a build starter you dont take the tick slowdown eithet way

Makes normal combat so much more annoying because of verkill damage

[cursive edge]

but avoiding it delays things, wasting extra points

so every meaningful unlock comes 1-2 points later

[true yarrow]

I'm still in the camp of not doing range starter

start with melee to do moons easy then respec later

[unkempt terrace]

I personally think mage started is gonna be goated for me

Especially when I'm unlocking Kandarin first

[cursive edge]

thats too short sighted mrT

well

ok only because im taking W first

the powerspike

is huge

going range first

[unkempt terrace]

^ That I agree with

[cursive edge]

im gonna respec later, im doing a power staff + thorns build

[true yarrow]

yeah if you're gonna have good xbow soon then starting range is fine

[cursive edge]

but trying to start powered staves is fucking awful

well hunter crossbow is good and easy to get going

[potent quail]

Dagger start seems crazy good to me

[cursive edge]

what are the numbers?

i think it kinda falls off

[short sphinx]

I feel like Tirannwn has easiest pact task compared to every other region. Or am I just crazy

[unkempt terrace]

This is the first 11 I'm going for myself

https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-112-113-114-122-44-46-56-59-60-68

[potent quail]

Kind requires cerb though

Exho cerb

[cursive edge]

oh right, thats a bit more than a start

81 or 91 slayer

youre well and truly started by then

[empty pagoda]

I think dagger or other light weapons might be a popular start.

[potent quail]

I mean for endgame build witjout respect

Rune dagger seemef good fps with the nodes

[copper gorge]

Thats what im doing

[empty pagoda]

Like heck I wanna do halberd, but I'm probably gonna do something else until I can get one.

[unkempt terrace]

I'm stuck between just running down Sunlight first tbh lol

I think sunlight early is gonna be damn good

[short sphinx]

I feel like mage start you have to kinda ignore amox and moons though

[stiff hinge]

pact tasks are honestly kind of painful early on

[short sphinx]

Mage start is awful with out 1st region

[stiff hinge]

like you get maybe 2-3 earlygame tasks per region

[short sphinx]

Maybe like a fight caves rush

[stiff hinge]

and then it's like, yeah, go kill real bosses noob

[winged trench]

Does the crystal blessing apply to the shadow flame quadrant?

[stiff hinge]

actually i just looked at tirannwn

you start with dragons and zalcano

[copper gorge]

You can do amox and moons without pacts

Its slower but doable

[stiff hinge]

you get the stats from the crystal armour but not the passive buff. that's only for powered staves.

[potent quail]

Eh you right only 7dps

[cursive edge]

https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=AloftGolemDinhs

2nd loadout is a 13 point dagger start

[winged trench]

Ah gotcha, thanks

[cursive edge]

still lower, with arguably much higher tier gear

than the ranged one in loadout 1

and this is vs a fire giant, relatively low defence

[short sphinx]

Yeah but you get the free respec for amox echo so might as well spec into easy first

[cursive edge]

the ranged build has double the accuracy roll

attack roll

the thorns does add around 3 dps tho for that dagger start

[zinc olive]

that's my plan too

[cursive edge]

so i guess its a bit higher, but yeah perhaps not an even comparison, and vs any boss the hunter bow wins hard

ok not moons

[potent quail]

Well fair

Do you even do moons with a cbow start

[cursive edge]

nah id skip it

[potent quail]

Is there a skillpoint task?

[winged trench]

Same, but then spec into bows and staves to do gauntlet till it’s completed

And then become water mage with crystal armor and quadrant

[zinc olive]

i figure with echo amox weapon+early 2h pacts you can get up to jad pretty easily

[cursive edge]

I should be able to get 13 pact pts really quick with wildy first region

then go kill kbd right after and be god tier

[potent quail]

Gree healing i may have a crazy adon for that build

[winged trench]

Just the 2% damage increase and +20 magic attack increase per piece, but not the other passive

[potent quail]

Always max hit
Gear switch
Air strike <-> cbow
With 50% prayer bonus on gesr and the echo staff/devils

[zinc olive]

im going wildy first too, im probably gonna farm some stuff where melee is better then respec into water mage with dhw for kbd

[winged trench]

This is my plan for now at least. Get a shadow for the blessing passive to work, and then switch to quadrant and water surge to heal

[cursive edge]

ya its a very strong setup. I think it reaches around 55 DPS vs a chicken in optimal gear, with healing from the kings barrage

but also very active gameplay

[molten gust]

After a lot of consideration. I think I’ll end up taking pacts like this. I am grabbed Morytania, Kourend, and Tirannwn and mainly using melee with some steps into range and a tiny mage. Anyone see any bits that would be changed? I didn’t grab the thrown echo option since it didn’t seem to affect dps as much as the crossbow one. It was like only 0.8dps or so.

https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-10-11-13-133-14-150-151-152-153-154-155-156-157-161-164-2-20-23-26-27-28-3-4-43-44-46-56-59-6-68-7-73-74-80-82-83-86-88-9

[cursive edge]

yeah it kinda makes sense, if you respec into the water mage points you would take when using the kings barrage anyway

but you would wand the 3t spell casting point for water maging

but not for kbd bow

so you'd always have 1 dead point, or you need another respec

[potent quail]

Yeah i came up with that build before quadrix release

And coped so hard it would give like 30 prayer bonus

Has super toght equipment reqs, locks you into 2 regions

But infinite prayer and healing

[cursive edge]

i got it to 50 prayer

[zinc olive]

nah, keeping the book tick so i can do good aoe endgame with barrage

[potent quail]

When i made the build i assumed you need 100 prayer

[cursive edge]

ah lol

[potent quail]

That was before the echo release

They all laughed

But i saw the prayer air build before anyone else

[cursive edge]

I do have a hunch the wiki dps assumption that 8% dmg per prayer is a separate multiplier, is wrong

so air builds are actually 15-20% less dps than they seem atm

[potent quail]

Oh thats siper wrong we have confirmation they all add up

[cursive edge]

oh shit we do?

can you link it

what i mean is, do they add to the same pool that %magic and %ele weakness share

or does it multiply separately

cause that makes a giant difference

[short sphinx]

I don’t want asgarnia but I feel like it’s a must for melee

[potent quail]

Ah nvm that was for accuracy bonuses

[cursive edge]

only if youre goin dogger. If you wana do blindbag, go Tirranwn for your armour set

[short sphinx]

Yeah I mean as like a 3rd region.

TMA

[cursive edge]

for dogger?

[short sphinx]

Bluetooth Hali blind bag

[cursive edge]

what does A give

the godswords?

[zinc olive]

and torva

[cursive edge]

but with T you have crystal

[short sphinx]

Yeah also the option to repec into Dogger

[cursive edge]

no need for torva

[zinc olive]

the drip tho

[potent quail]

5 godswords is funny though

[cursive edge]

just do 5 scythes hehe

[potent quail]

Also for blindbag

You can have more then 5 weapons in your inventory

And if you are lucly enough it may trigger all of them

[short sphinx]

So what do you think for 3rd region ?

[cursive edge]

really?

[true yarrow]

5 scythes gonna take forever to farm ornament kits

[molten gust]

Having one for each god XD.

[potent quail]

The 5 weapon mention is only pn the later nodes

Not on the original blindbag node

There is probably no reason to do it just funny

[cursive edge]

hmmmm

so as in

a blindbag trigger procs another blindbag trigger

[potent quail]

Yeah

[cursive edge]

but does it need unique weapons to do that anyway?

if you had 2 weps

[potent quail]

We dont know

[cursive edge]

couldnt they just

repeatedly proc eachother

ah ok

[potent quail]

Also if you only have 1 weppn in inventory

And you trigger blindbag of blindbag

Do you attack with that one again?

Aka
You put the weapon back into the blindbag before pulling again?

[cursive edge]

Kourend potentially? fero gloves, elder maul (for spec, and blindbag)

[molten gust]

Having more weapons doesn’t mean it will proc more likely. Only the 5 in inv that the final perk offers that. But yeah we don’t know if having more can make the chain go higher.

Kourend is nice for skilling stuff too. Firemaking, farming, runecraft as some examples.

[potent quail]

Kourend is CoX though

[true yarrow]

and radiant oathplate

[cursive edge]

my regions actually have comically easy demonic pact point tasks lol

WTM

[potent quail]

I want to take AMT

[true yarrow]

never go ATM

[potent quail]

Why?

[cursive edge]

we gettin the relic in 3 mins?

[potent quail]

Btw you have math on blindbag builds as league starter?

[stiff hinge]

i wonder how long it'll take before people are doing huey masses

[cursive edge]

nah, blindbag just seems weak so didnt look into any starter steups for it

i can put together a guess for a 13 pt starter, i am curious

[brittle hull]

do we have any goto blindbag weapons coming from varlamore

[potent quail]

I assume just get all the dual hit weapons and moon start

And any hally as a main weapon

[dry quartz]

is woodsman just going to be chaos for hunter with loads of people taking it, will every hunter area just be rammed?

[potent quail]

Not sure what the varlamore hally is though

[potent quail]

Most likly yes

[stiff hinge]

bear in mind hunter respawns are faster

[lofty zinc]

They’ll be selling bronze through steel hallys in da store

[potent quail]

There is a easy way to lvl hunter in moons though with the grub tree

Everyone can do that one

But good luck getting any chins

[lofty zinc]

Nice

[brittle hull]

nahhhhhh

[lofty zinc]

Last relic reveal

[stiff hinge]

i sleep

[shadow badger]

Ass

[potent quail]

Mhh

[twilit halo]

Hey guys, quick question, on the demonics pact planner, the first one for mele, raise you minimum hit by 3, does that mean you wont hit 0's?

[potent quail]

So justa. Boss fps increase?

[stiff hinge]

you will do 0 if you miss

[brittle hull]

no sir

[stiff hinge]

you can't roll 0 on a hit anymore anyway

[cursive edge]

https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=HunkStuffProduction

Loadout 3. Looks bad

Not sure if those are the ideal 5 blindbag weps tho

[shadow badger]

I thhought they were cooking something new for T8

This is just worse

[twilit halo]

damn, thanks haha

[true yarrow]

I mean it's quite good on anything you won't miss on

[zinc olive]

im locking into minion it seems

[stiff hinge]

respecting ranged damage immunities and reductions is very very funny

[cursive edge]

oh.. executioner again

boring

[potent quail]

What if you do a hally start and later go into böindbag?

[cursive edge]

with what hally? Tirranwn for dragon?

[potent quail]

Thats the question

[molten gust]

Didn’t they say it was new?

[potent quail]

It says it doesnt work against yama
Thats new

[shadow badger]

Only reveals left are Echo Yama confirmation and task list, right?

[true yarrow]

have they shown stats of sages axe

like is it a viable thrown wep besides the execute

[stiff hinge]

oh that'd be interesting

[cursive edge]

https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=OwnedReportBarb

hally seems even worse

Sure you can put 7 tile range in instead, and then it matches tecpatl

[copper gorge]

Can someone post executioner

[cursive edge]

but gl maintaining 7 tiles

[copper gorge]

Imagine not working on phone

[copper gorge]

So minion or flask

[true yarrow]

it's effectively a 20% dps increase and also skips the part of fights that's typically the hardest

unless it's boss with ranged immunity/high defense then it's just useless

[shadow badger]

But minion also helps with slayer

This is just bossing

[latent oracle]

What's wrong with nhally? And what's tecpatl

[stiff hinge]

longrange does give you up to 40% accuracy on a t3 weapon though

[tacit oyster]

video had extra info for description though

[cursive edge]

so minion is 6.39 DPS, so if you have at least 32 DPS yourself, executioner beats it I suppose

[tacit oyster]

counts as throwing weapon for pacts, so can hit multiple enemies

[true yarrow]

yeah the big question is what the stats on it are

[cursive edge]

for an endgame 40 dps build sure executioner is like 1-2 more dps than minion. but that's IF you use it perfectly (you wont), and i mean its not a 0 time usage right

[lofty zinc]

Hmm I was thinking maybe I switch from minion to executioner because I’m doing a throwing build but idk still.

[cursive edge]

and minion loots for you (and notes it), does aoe, helps with slayer

[tacit oyster]

in video it max hit 10 but cannot know stats and pacts they used

[stiff hinge]

a max hit of 10 is worse than a bronze knife with no pacts at 99 range

[lofty zinc]

I think I minion still

[tacit oyster]

only for enemies with thousands of hp since otherwise it 0 dps increase for builds that already guarantee the execute on next hit

[cursive edge]

ya true

[stiff hinge]

and it can't be used on (echo) yama

[cursive edge]

i think none of them can

[stiff hinge]

actually yeah true

well

[shadow badger]

Pretty sure they can't be used on regular Yama as well

[cursive edge]

well minion wont fight

[potent quail]

Minion is qol though

[tacit oyster]

flask only one that work on yama

[cursive edge]

i guess flask can still heal you

but wont damage yama

[stiff hinge]

flask works on yama just not for the damage

[cursive edge]

yeh minion seems way better at the moment

[shadow badger]

Flask doesn't work on Yama

[stiff hinge]

that's why it's in brackets, implying both, and not "echo yama"

[blissful fiber]

I'm reconsidering my tier 1 pick
I wanted endless gatherer but I'm not taking elf region, so no crystal tools
Might have to take barbarian

[potent quail]

I assume flask still heals

[cursive edge]

but theres this extra description stuff about the axe that seems theres more to it?

[stiff hinge]

flask doesn't damage yama but still gives full restore and invincibility

[shadow badger]

I meant the damage part

[cursive edge]

Execute damage can hit additional targets. Does this imply if you execute a 1k hp monster, the 200 damage will apply to surrounding monsters too?

[languid mauve]

Sarnie we are disappointed

[molten gust]

Flask bis for yama then XD.

[cursive edge]

im not sure where thats even useful lol, but i guess its interesting?

[stiff hinge]

i'd almost argue that the damage is the least relevant part of the flask

compared to the invincibility button

[shadow badger]

Can you get crystal tools without dpick?

[stiff hinge]

180 damage isn't BAD by any stretch

no

[cursive edge]

157 dmg is a lot tho

177*

and you can get the cd down to 1 min

[wet loom]

Yes...pick Barbarian Gathering

[cursive edge]

so its like 3dps

in an aoe

[stiff hinge]

oh yeah

it's definitely not nothing

[shadow badger]

Already planning to which is why I asked

[wet loom]

Otherwise no IIRC

[cursive edge]

i do want to like, solo ToB and gotta do awakened vard etc, so the flask is tempting

[molten gust]

That is a good question. Since I think base tirannwn there is no dragon tools to be able to use it. Maybe it will drop one of the three tools randomly picked or allow you to make one without it?

[wet loom]

Barbarian Gang

[stiff hinge]

and it has funny use cases like "click this button to skip league jad challenge adds"

[lone bloom]

final t8 relic revealed

[stiff hinge]

we've been discussing it for the last ten minutes, ye

[tacit oyster]

at 1min cd the single target explosion damage on flask is half of buffed minion dps, explosion also typeless damage and aoe so has uses

[shadow badger]

It's ass

[wet loom]

"revealed" more like sneakily pushed out at the end after all the other fireworks went off

[cursive edge]

but man afk slayer for 10 mins and not losing loot

with minion

is super neat

[fickle pine]

You cannot make a crystal pickaxe without a dragon pickaxe. yes you lock yourself out if you do not pick wildy or desert

[shadow badger]

Isn't it 30 mins?

[wet loom]

It should be 30 mins of afk slayer. Then you can transmute bones up to superior dragon bones

[true yarrow]

endless harvest -> reload barb gathering is the way

[tacit oyster]

well i guessed it was either executioner's or completely new relic. Executioners could be nice if it somehow had dragon knife stats and speed so could in theory main hand it

[lone bloom]

nope

[copper gorge]

If you go t yes, crystal tool seed from zalc

[smoky raft]

ok cool so Minion it is then

[tacit oyster]

would have preferred completely new relic since it was final relic

[cursive edge]

how do you keep aggro for 30 mins?

[wet loom]

When you REALLY hate mining

[fickle pine]

you just need 1200 bones to get to 99 w libation bowl and transmutation

[shadow badger]

What abt 50m?

[latent oracle]

What are the highest dps builds? I keep people throwing 35-40 dps out but curious if that's essentially max 2t shadow crystal mage? Or if anything else is around that or better

[true yarrow]

prayer air mage is 55-60 dps

takes a lot to get it online though

[twilit halo]

hey guys another question, will evil eye tele you into the room of the boss in GWD or outside and you still have to get keys?

[fickle pine]

(50m/13m)*1200

[tacit oyster]

depends a lot on if wiki calcs are correct, air prayer mage should be highest if it is

[cursive edge]

only vs something with a built in weakness tho

[potent quail]

When? Early mid or lategame?

[wet loom]

Good point

[tacit oyster]

without weakness air mage is similar to king's barrage on wiki calc

[smoky raft]

outside, though if it's anything like previous leagues you'll only need to get the kc to open the door once and then you cna go in for free

[smoky raft]

the humble wilderness:

[potent quail]

With how much prayer bonus?

[brittle hull]

Do we have a list of the slayer monsters we can kill?

[tacit oyster]

44-50 depending on build

[cursive edge]

The GG echo staff + thorns build im planning reaches 46 DPS (52.5 with culling). Assuming a 5t enemy is hitting you for thorns damage

[smoky raft]

also specifically dark beasts for some reason

[latent oracle]

I guess mid game mostly, planning on raiding with some friends and wanted a nice build. Was thinking blindbag hally with crystal armor but just curious how that actually lines up

[wet loom]

Never wilderness. I don't trust people

[cursive edge]

and assuming echo staff spec doesnt delay your next attack

[smoky raft]

they just never go tolerant

[twilit halo]

oh cool, i didnt do any gwd in leagues 5, so thats good to know. Im not sure if i want evil eye or bank heist, asgarnia or kandarin

[potent quail]

Solves prayer but thats a way more difficult build

Just to keep in mind

[smoky raft]

Allow me to confuse you even more by suggesting map of alacrity instead

[twilit halo]

why that over the other 2?

[cursive edge]

way more teles

[smoky raft]

there are SO many agility shortcuts

[tacit oyster]

depending on regions map of alacrity is only few seconds longer traver to most bosses with extra utility teleports outside of bosses

[shadow badger]

Map is sleeper pick

[cursive edge]

^ Alacrity enjoyer

[shadow badger]

Best for skilling

Evil eye only helps with PvM

[grave pollen]

Alacrity is probably better for clues too. Though I haven’t looked at every region

[shadow badger]

Bank heist is kinda boring

[true yarrow]

the axe had zero stats in trailblazer reloaded league

so if it's the same again, yeah ass

[twilit halo]

my original plan was edless harvest then hotfoot, then barb fishing for agility, strenght, and cooking, then moving on to other things

[cursive edge]

and even then, if you play any build with healing, and have minion to note loot, you do full boss tasks in 1 trip anyway

[tacit oyster]

in video axe hit max hit of 10 in melee gear, unknown stats

[fickle pine]

Clues are super important to do if you are going to spec into air mage

[true yarrow]

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Sage's_axe this was the old axe

[potent quail]

A small salute to the most ignored skills on the entire tree

I have seen NO ONE (besides me) ever taking any of these 2

[true yarrow]

2 tick but literally zero stats

[potent quail]

Check faux video on prayair mage

He uses the sun outfit for prayer

[shadow badger]

Second one is good for air mages

[potent quail]

You dont need it for air mage lol

[wet loom]

Air mage is going to Regen so much prayer all you need to do is not pray for a bit if you ever get low

[stiff hinge]

air mage is never ever going to run out of prayer

[true yarrow]

lot of fun builds are using the style swap pact

[potent quail]

I meant for builds pther then air mage

[hidden rune]

The max hit swap one just sounds so unfun, constantly switching gear

[fickle pine]

it is terrible for accuracy on a mage though, wraps and boots, god robes are way better for air mage

[stiff hinge]

i wonder if the max hit thing works on king's barrage

just +25% damage on every hitsplat after the first

[wet loom]

Fair. It gives great Regen for melee builds

[cursive edge]

eh nah you pair some sunlight with some virtus

[potent quail]

He has 100 flat accuracy

But yeah clue items are obviousöy a items

Just import to know it works without them

[true yarrow]

in theory, the ranged echo from melee should let you get the 25% damage without needing to swap

but obviously RNG

[potent quail]

We dont know that

But i would assume that to

[tacit oyster]

only robe top is better than sunfire chestplate. proper windmage builds should use virtus top

[fickle pine]

I did, you still need accuracy

[stiff hinge]

that's why he said "in theory"

[potent quail]

Yeah

And you 20% max hit with the ranged echo

[cursive edge]

right but it should be better than vestment robes in terms of both prayer and accuracy

[stiff hinge]

accuracy is for people who aren't watermaging who have to actually pay attention

[cursive edge]

you just need to take like 180% accuracy on the tree and it works alright

Why watermage when you can watermage with a crossbow and do double the damage xd

[stiff hinge]

late but you can just set the idle timer to 30 minutes in runelite these days

[near solstice]

How do charges work for the scythe if you don’t have morytania?

[stiff hinge]

that's just a thing you're allowed to do

[cursive edge]

yeah but monsters will stop attacking you after 10 mins

[stiff hinge]

charge with blood runes only instead of vials

[cursive edge]

so you just stand there doing nothing for 20

[brittle hull]

blood runes

[near solstice]

Ty

[stiff hinge]

oh wait my bad, i thought the conversation was about EH for some reason, not slayer

woops

[potent quail]

I am interested in cbow + air mage

But instead of echo cbow

Rune cbow with onyx bolts for healing

If that can reasonably sustain you

No idea how to calc that but would remove the wildy region pick

[tacit oyster]

vestment same prayer bonus but less mage att and less %dmg

[potent quail]

And opens up a few skillpoints

[stiff hinge]

onyx bolts are dogshit sustain, like 0.75 hp per second or something

[smoky raft]

Thorns counts as melee damage... right?

[true yarrow]

ballista -> swap to dogger -> instant hit spec -> swap back to ballista is another fun way to use the 25% bonus damage

[potent quail]

Requires a shield though

[smoky raft]

They call me shield guy the way I be using a shield

[potent quail]

Ah rip

[cursive edge]

onyx bolts are around 3% lifesteal effectively

[inner zenith]

tasks tomorrow then?

[empty pagoda]

You know, it's always bugged me how that works...like in the default client for OSRS you can't change the logout timer but runelite can? How does that not break the ToS?

[potent quail]

Wait no its a % of the damage you deal

So if you deal 100 famage you heal 60

[stiff hinge]

because they asked jagex if they were allowed to do it and jagex said yes ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[near solstice]

Does devils element count as a shield? Do we know that

[stiff hinge]

it does not

[tacit oyster]

sunfire + virtus top is better accuracy, better max hit and 4 times more defensive stats

[potent quail]

Uff

[cursive edge]

if you do 40 dps thats 1.2 hp/sec, its not terrible

[stiff hinge]

yes, the problem is the proc rate

[cursive edge]

but not brain off gaming

[stiff hinge]

(the proc rate sucks)

[cursive edge]

KCB should heal 10hp/sec

[potent quail]

Sad

[stiff hinge]

even with zcb it's just not very good

[potent quail]

Yeah kcb is crazy

[cursive edge]

and yeah the variance is big on onyx bolts

[potent quail]

• the perma freeze

[stiff hinge]

kcb with water go brrrrrrr

[cursive edge]

can just not proc for ages and you gotta eat

[potent quail]

Wait is kcb perma freeze or does it also have a time like the spells where you cant freeze again

[tacit oyster]

crossbow build with flask should be fine in healing if you know how to avoid damage. Not build for face tanking

[tacit oyster]

should be 5tick cooldown after freeze ends since coded as ice blitz

[potent quail]

Sad

[true yarrow]

I think I'm locked in on endless, woodsman, map, clues, larcenist, culling, reload barb gathering, minion

maybe natures accord over barb gathering on the reload is the one thing I'm not set on

[feral moth]

Sounds like a fun time!

[tacit oyster]

like if you do zcb + flask you can somewhat choose when you get the heals if you dont mind slight dps loss

[true yarrow]

prayer should be easy in varlamore and I can tele to agility shortcut next to blood altar for RC

[smoky raft]

Endless
Hotfoot
Map
Transmute
Larcenist
Nutrition
Flow State
Minion

That's my intended path

[feral moth]

Sounds super chill! lot of afk in there.

[smoky raft]

My goal is to play as much leagues as possible while also playing as little leagues as possible

[tacit oyster]

im probably doing barb -> forager -> map -> transmute -> larcenist -> culling spree -> flow state -> flask. Not 100% on flow state but can choose that later

[potent leaf]

Do you guys think the axe is too overkill with a kings barrage build?

[shadow badger]

Yo I'm going the same except with Barb and Woodsman

[smoky raft]

I still don't see the point of woodsman

[true yarrow]

Starting with barb sounds like recipe for all your rocks being taken

[shadow badger]

Hunter and seeds for farming

Free FM

[cursive edge]

yeah its particularly bad with air spells or kings barrage imo. Youre less likely to get a mob to just below 20%

[smoky raft]

None of those skills are particularly hard/slow to train though

[cursive edge]

so lots of wasted damage

[feral moth]

I'm thinking barb > woodsman > map > transmute > larce > cull > clues > Minion 🙂 Sounds like a good time.

[true yarrow]

it makes fletching insanely fast which is big headstart

[smoky raft]

a headstart towards what

[true yarrow]

xp tasks

[smoky raft]

I mean. I guess

[true yarrow]

can get 50m in like a couple hours

[smoky raft]

Really depends on your region choices

[shadow badger]

Exactly

Cooking is fast and smithing can be solved with crystal seeds

[true yarrow]

and it solves farming+herb

[smoky raft]

Kandarin gets ranging guild and that's also like instant Fletching xp

[shadow badger]

Woodsman buffs FM, farming, herblore, fletching, and hunter

[true yarrow]

You do both

[smoky raft]

So do master farmers but those don't require a relic

[potent quail]

That only solves seed gain not farming

[true yarrow]

farmers don't give tree seeds

[smoky raft]

woodsman only solves seed gain

but yeah ok I can see the benefit of getting specifically herb / tree seeds

[feral moth]

Plus transmute to just make em what you want them to be 😄

[smoky raft]

That's pretty much my plan lmao

transmute acorns into magic seeds

[molten gust]

Transmute and Kourend completely solves seeds. Since can get spirit seeds and just have infinite seeds.

[true yarrow]

hotfoot is definitely the better afk choice, but woodsman lets you rush a whole bunch of early level/exp tasks

[feral moth]

Yep, and then tithe farm as well, technically 😉 not fast, but still a decent solve without farming relic 😉

[potent quail]

Yeah thats the problem with farming

Thats why i really want that farming relic over larcenist

Woodsman is the only hunter solve though

[fickle jasper]

Interesting... we get the sage axe relic now

[smoky raft]

I will say, one thing that woodsman absolutely has that my current plan doesn't:

It's a very good way to rush prayer early on

[potent quail]

How?

[feral moth]

hunter sacks

[shadow badger]

Bone shards

[tacit oyster]

i wonder if flow state works in giants foundry

[smoky raft]

rumours spit out bone shards

[tacit oyster]

would be so op

[true yarrow]

hunter sacks give tons of bone shards

[smoky raft]

and woodsman gets double rumours rewards

[feral moth]

plus faster to solve those rumours, so almost like 4x

[potent quail]

Rumours d1 will suck though

[true yarrow]

also double dragon imps

[smoky raft]

If EH works on the bone shards mine, I'll probably be spending an hour or so there

[potent quail]

Do they spawn more?

[true yarrow]

implings are boosted rates and rarities

leaguewide

[shadow badger]

You do stuff like wc or fishing day 1 and do mining and hunter later when there's less competition

[feral moth]

Im pretty sure it was confirmed that it does!

[smoky raft]

🎉

[tacit oyster]

no competition if you do hunter training inside moons

[feral moth]

Technically though, isnt barb better there? Cant afk as much, but that 50% means youll see em faster?

[potent quail]

You can lvl hunter with no redource competition at moons with grubs

[feral moth]

Grub spammers rise up!

[potent quail]

No prayer shards though