if you dont do the mage dip are you planing to CG on melee?
#leagues-general
short sphinx
pliant temple
idrc if blind bag isnt going to be as good as other styles it seems fun and thats what i care about
junior phoenix
Or, you just do 3t whip and thorns and do more dps ok
Melee+mage all the way but that's besides the point
formal furnace
It’s about having fun though not about being the most optimized
junior phoenix
If you use a 5t weapon the dps is trash and you get a ranged echo proc once a minute, blindbag procs every 12 seconds for like 4 extra dps
pliant temple
being able to remote hit 5 scythes from 7 tiles away with crystal bonus seems very fun
short sphinx
This^
junior phoenix
If you use a 4 hit double hitting weapon, your blindbag dps skyrockets to an incredible 10 dps. Just barely beating a whip without thorns
gaunt creek
Min hit if max blindbag hits is like 110 just from blindbag
junior phoenix
Yeah, it's fun 100% I agree with that, but it's not strong
pliant temple
melee in leagues tends to not be as good as the other styles but its usually way more fun than the others in practice and ive missed out on that
gaunt creek
Man melee cracked last league
pliant temple
melee cracked last league but it didnt matter because ranged was stupid good everywhere against everything
junior phoenix
And that's great, no one has to do the strongest stuff, you can do fun stuff, but people think blindbag is strong when it's actually the weakest build in the league
gaunt creek
Which is why the ranged melee seems tight imo
formal furnace
Magnet what on earth is your pfp lol, been staring at it and trying to work out what it is, but I’m stumped
gaunt creek
It’s a person covered in slime with a pleaky blinder get up
formal furnace
Ahhh okay!
IMO I’ve almost every league I’ve played range or magic, so gonna give melee a spin since it seems like it’s gonna be fun
gaunt creek
Is kand and zeah only demonbane options?
And agreed. I always go mage but the kopesh was too hard to pass up
ionic nacelle
Does anyone know if flow state will work on dense essence?
junior phoenix
Cerb dagger + thorns is my personal favourite melee build
gaunt creek
Cerb dagger + thorns is my personal favourite melee build
I like the idea of building mastery’s around an echo wep
junior phoenix
Plus you can easily add in a mage elemental build while keeping thorns, with kandarin and asgarnia
potent quail
Is kand and zeah only demonbane options?
varlamorew
the new echo weapon from amox
gaunt creek
That’s right they said “a little demonbane”
junior phoenix
It's also very viable dps. Cerb dagger+torva is ~30dps, plus getting 30+ thorns hits
potent quail
i think the build of the league will be prayer air mage
and its more complicated: gear switch with cbow /echo cbow" build
potent quail
It's also very viable dps. Cerb dagger+torva is ~30dps, plus getting 30+ thorns ...
i dont like the cerb dagger because you need to spam specs
not the best afk build
also doesnt work with fire rune regen node which is a massive dps loss
pliant temple
i saw a water mage tank build that seemed really interesting
junior phoenix
That 30dps is without specs
potent quail
you have my attention
potent quail
then it has a lot of potential
gaunt creek
What’s minimal path to get thorns?
junior phoenix
Put on torva, a dfs, torture, ultor, treads, you get a max hit in the 40s, add on the 40% you're hitting about 30dps with the min hit
potent quail
standard combat spells are always 5 tick / 3tick with the pact node?
potent quail
It's also very viable dps. Cerb dagger+torva is ~30dps, plus getting 30+ thorns ...
do you ahve it in the dps calculator and can share it?
junior phoenix
Now, that's a lot of gear, but so is 5 scythes, it's just a bit less dps with Bandos etc
Uhhh no but hang on
languid mauve
if anyone else is seriously going a water mage build and wants to brainstorm let me know
pliant temple
it just really sucks we only get to do this leagues once because a mage build seems really really fun but really region specific
small flower
i'm likely gonna be switching to that midgame
potent quail
prayer air mage has DPS of 40 but has really tight gear requirements to work
junior phoenix
if anyone else is seriously going a water mage build and wants to brainstorm let...
I'm going water mage build I'm going to afk the inferno
small flower
^, probably also for awakened whisper
languid mauve
I'm going water mage build I'm going to afk the inferno
i'm going to make a sammich while my character beats inferno cause 2 ez
gaunt creek
Also thinking about it hard
potent quail
prayer air mage -> faux will make a video on it
gaunt creek
Zkm
languid mauve
but forreal if u wanna brainstorm let me know, i'm going over fine details now, vbut we can VC or whatever tomorrow afternoon
junior phoenix
Okay I can't post images here
languid mauve
send to me
junior phoenix
But max melee dogger maxes a 44
rugged mauve
how is that hitting 1250
languid mauve
oh nvm wrong person
gaunt creek
Max fun lmao
potent quail
But max melee dogger maxes a 44
you should be able to send the link to the dps calculator
share loadout top right
junior phoenix
I'm on mobile I don't have the dps calc up
Even with massively downgraded gear it maxes a 39
potent quail
I'm on mobile I don't have the dps calc up
oh it also doesnt have the dagger yet implemented either
junior phoenix
I do most of my dps calcs manually anyway
Oh yeah that was the issue lmao forgot about that
potent quail
Oh yeah that was the issue lmao forgot about that
do you use devils element?
gaunt creek
Tag in that offhand boost pact
junior phoenix
Anyway. 44 max hit, 23.5 average, becomes 33 with the +40%, this is 27.5dps
brave root
3 tick ham joint blindbag is the play, trust.
junior phoenix
You add a bit more to the prayer bonus and it gets to 30 I don't remember exactly
junior phoenix
3 tick ham joint blindbag is the play, trust.
Macuhuatls are better in every way
And still bad
brave root
I still want to try full melee, sounds fun
junior phoenix
it has big synergie with dagger
No, it doesn't, no matter how much you pump it up, a 5% chance means you don't even get 1dps from the fire spec
Go for it, I'd recommend a heavy 1h with thorns
brave root
That's what I was thinking about, mixing thorns and blindbag sounds very fun
junior phoenix
In which case, actually yeah, ham joint and thorns, nvm I apologise you were cooking
Unfortunately, you cannot get 2t and blindbag
potent quail
No, it doesn't, no matter how much you pump it up, a 5% chance means you don't e...
is there any 3 tick mellee weapon in the maingame?XD
everythign is 4 tick
brave root
Yeah it's a shame the tick reduction doesn't work for one handers in general
junior phoenix
But 3t ham joint BB + thorns > macu BB
junior phoenix
Yeah it's a shame the tick reduction doesn't work for one handers in general
They decided to balance the weakest style instead of 1t sang
junior phoenix
is there any 3 tick mellee weapon in the maingame?XD
everythign is 4 tick
Ham joint, basically
brave root
I had such an awful time with magic on echo league I refuse to go magic again
junior phoenix
Damn if only we had a 3t 1h weapon that was under 1kg
Oh wait, it's the one I've been talking about
potent quail
Oh wait, it's the one I've been talking about
its not in the dps calc yetXD
junior phoenix
Just get better at mental maths then
cursive edge
Anyway. 44 max hit, 23.5 average, becomes 33 with the +40%, this is 27.5dps
I got to around 31 dps with dogger. And then another 27 thorns damage, which is 9 dps vs a typical 5t boss.
And then the dogger specs can be considered to add roughly 10% dps
junior phoenix
I don't need a dps calc, I need a max hit calc and a regular calc
junior phoenix
I got to around 31 dps with dogger. And then another 27 thorns damage, which is ...
Sounds about right. You can get thorns a bit higher, plus if you sacrifice some dps, you can wear echo boots and a suffering to overcharge the recoil to like 70
junior phoenix
Wdym?
Responding to the dogger not being on the dps calc. Idc because I don't need it
junior phoenix
So something like 42-43 dps, IF you are fighting a chicken with 0 def lmao
Accuracy buffs are enough to make it mostly fine. You won't get 40dps against nex but most things will be fine
cursive edge
Sounds about right. You can get thorns a bit higher, plus if you sacrifice some ...
Yeah tho I don’t trust those recoil sources, given you have to get hit
Maybe echo boots are ok
But def rather 12 str bonus over suffering
junior phoenix
No but its a nice win win
cursive edge
Esp with a potato 20 str bonus wep lol
junior phoenix
You either do 40dps and take no damage, or do 60dps
cursive edge
Echos are a no brainer tbf
potent quail
No but its a nice win win
thats what i am getting
the dps in the results seems super wrong as but this is 3 tick attackspeed not 2 tick
so increase by 33%
cursive edge
Don’t even lose str bonus really
potent quail
witha rune dagger
cursive edge
Cause the pray bonus converts
junior phoenix
Imo thorns is probably the best way to kill nex. You can do a pretty consistent 30dps just standing there
cursive edge
thats what i am getting
the dps in the results seems super wrong as but this is ...
You’d increase by 50%
potent quail
Imo thorns is probably the best way to kill nex. You can do a pretty consistent ...
thorns is not included yet in dps calc
potent quail
You’d increase by 50%
from 3 tick to 2 tick?
cursive edge
thorns is not included yet in dps calc
It’s easy enough to calc thorns dps
Find thorns damage, divide by attack speed of boss
junior phoenix
Because in 6 ticks you do 3 attacks instead of 2. 50% more
potent quail
so 24 dps
not with thorns
not with burn chance
not with specs
did i forget something?
potent quail
With no thorns or burn or specs
well check the picture what am i missing?
cursive edge
Show gear
junior phoenix
Idk we can't see your gear
potent quail
cursive edge
Infernal for one
potent quail
wrong gloves?
junior phoenix
Oh right
cursive edge
B gloves impossible, I had fero in
gaunt creek
Also 33/40 pact does that matter? Or u did all the str
potent quail
i forgot the prayer
cursive edge
You on aggressive, piety, super combats, infernal, ferocious, fury
cursive edge
I think that’s what I had
potent quail
this cant be right
left no super combat
right with super combat
super combat does not doubvle your dps
this must be a bug
cursive edge
Lol
cursive edge
I hate that to get the fire capstone
You’re forced to take the self damaging thing
But perhaps with blood fury it’s fine
junior phoenix
Again the fire thing on the cerb dagger doesn't hit enough for you to notice it no matter what you do
potent quail
anyways 27 dps without potion
potent quail
Again the fire thing on the cerb dagger doesn't hit enough for you to notice it ...
thats where spec comes in
we generate 4% spec every attack
cursive edge
Yeah you’ll get a spec every 12.5 attacks
gaunt creek
What are you doing inf with a max melee thorns build?
potent quail
but i need a sanity check on this
this is a bug right?
cursive edge
So in 12.5 attacks you proc the fire shit 2.25x. That’s not tooo bad
gaunt creek
That’s gemstone crab?
cursive edge
but i need a sanity check on this
this is a bug right?
Must be. Or there’s more differences than you think
junior phoenix
we generate 4% spec every attack
2%. It's not 2 handed so no reach
potent quail
That’s gemstone crab?
changed it to a skeleton
small flower
you do hit twice with light melee weapons though.
potent quail
2%. It's not 2 handed so no reach
still 2 spec per attack is a lot
and burn is hella strong
cursive edge
Again the fire thing on the cerb dagger doesn't hit enough for you to notice it ...
I think 2.25 procs per 12.5 attacks is actually a decent amount
junior phoenix
What are you doing inf with a max melee thorns build?
That's the beauty. We only use like 20 pact points so we have plenty to go for a sustain water build
junior phoenix
you do hit twice with light melee weapons though.
Oh wait, touche, you're right
potent quail
build so far
rune dagger, so remove like 4 mellee strength
and multiple damage by 50%
junior phoenix
Okay I'll be looking back into the dps of a full fire build with blood fury the dogger, thorns, and a spec every 12 seconds
Nice spots
potent quail
cerb has a slayer req? and is what region again
small flower
asgarnia
junior phoenix
37dps+thorns? I'm thinking
cursive edge
Idk about 37
small flower
temp upgrade to whip at 85
cursive edge
I think 31 + ~10% effectively from the spec output
And then + thorns
As far as melee goes, it seems to be the best
cursive edge
But my sang/gg staff thorns build shits on it
potent quail
so early game go up the dagger route, grab all the nodes
its 11 dps with 17 points spend and literally naked otherwise witha rune dagger
THATS INSANE
add thorns to that
and a sepc weapon
junior phoenix
Then 5+12 flat+5 burn every 12 seconds too
36dps, before elem weakness, though you could do a devils element switch when you spec
cursive edge
Burn is 10 no
brave root
https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=FilletStrongroomBlacksmiths the funny build
Hopefully they add recoil damage soon
potent quail
does burn stack?
small flower
5 times yea
cursive edge
So in 12.5 attacks you trigger the 27 damage 2.25x, so 60.75 damage over 15s period = 4 bonus dps
And the spec in that period is 1 free 0 time hit, so 13.5/12.5 = 1.08x more hits
So 31*1.08 + 4
37.5 hehe
gaunt creek
Is slayer a “combat skill”? lol
Wouldn’t be affected by abundance what I’m getting at
cursive edge
37.5 + 9 thorns DPS at base, + a bit more thorns from echo boots
junior phoenix
Don't forget spec only costs 40% on average and you regen 4 more spec when using the spec
cursive edge
It’s solid, but for my 1t powered staff build I’m looking at 42 dps + 8 thorns dps, and 5 healing per second
And more aoe
cursive edge
Don't forget spec only costs 40% on average and you regen 4 more spec when using...
Fair, maybe it rounds up to 38 then
junior phoenix
The lithic staff build is cracked yes
brave root
The thought of showing up to CoX masses with my ham recoil build gives me great joy, I NEED to do this
Please game... Give me my ham early
junior phoenix
As I say, melee is the weakest style, but thorny dogger is the only build that comes even close imo
Don't forget that blindbag builds are capping out around 25dps with no thorns
cursive edge
The lithic staff build is cracked yes
Am doing lithic + sang. Wildy, Mory, Tirranwn. Refill spec in 30s with 2% per tick, spam thammaron/ayak specs and take all 195% accuracy on tree so I can mage anything regardless of magic defences
Should be awesome
cursive edge
As I say, melee is the weakest style, but thorny dogger is the only build that c...
Yeah fully agree
Though I do think you can’t fully overlook the lack of accuracy
Even with a ton of % accuracy on the pacts, the base is so low
brave root
could just go for the accuracy max roll perk on ranged tree
cursive edge
And can’t even run avernic cause thorn op and needs a shield
muted cairn
anyone else a little overwhelmed by the new combat perk tree? i do like it, it just feels so overdone for osrs. last year was like ranged is cracked put 6 points into it, now its like the always sunny meme connecting all the dots. i have no idea what to choose
cursive edge
could just go for the accuracy max roll perk on ranged tree
I am on my mage build, but dagger build can’t ofc
ebon hearth
anyone else a little overwhelmed by the new combat perk tree? i do like it, it j...
its like poe style, kinda overcomplicated on purpose i guess
small flower
most of it's fairly simple if you don't worry abuot the tiny nodes
major/master nodes are where most things are coming from
ebon hearth
yea it is not as crazy i suppose
lucid jay
anyone else a little overwhelmed by the new combat perk tree? i do like it, it j...
Just take it slow and read it all before making decisions, it’s pretty straight forward after you take a read through and build something with intent
muted cairn
i dont hate big perk trees it just feels weird in a game as simple as this one
brave root
they already showed the ingame UI, it's basically the official skill tree viewer
but ingame
ebon hearth
ah
brave root
I guess it might be annoying if you're a fixed player though
probably see like 1/50th of the tree
cursive edge
Don't forget that blindbag builds are capping out around 25dps with no thorns
I did get to 35 dps on nox hally blindbag, but that was with 7 tile distance configured
small flower
yea, i can't imagine that would be fun to try and maintain lol
brisk mauve
if i'm looking right A tank thorn builds with full justicar, dihns bulwark, echo boots and ring of suffering ri. Is crazy good, especially if it procs of stuff like AoE. If a boss drops down an aoe that constantly procs low damage, and you just stand on it, the boss would take constant damage. I think it ended up being like 22 damage per tick then 11 more for second hitsplat, with 0 Damage. and then if you do get hit. 33 Damage from the thorn. Then 10%+1 +19 then half that twice.
That's assuming i'm understanding the pacts correctly.
junior phoenix
I did get to 35 dps on nox hally blindbag, but that was with 7 tile distance con...
How? I can't see any way that's possible
brisk mauve
When it says 1% of total defense bonus if it means adding up stab,slash,crush,magic and ranged then 1% of that is the added damage.
cursive edge
3 scythes
small flower
so for dinhs+suffering/justi, that's like 1960, so ~+19, plus the 3 base thorns (or the 1 from recoil), so 20+10+20+20 when something actually hits you
brisk mauve
Plus dihns by itself can hit 65 with peity and super pot, and 130 with spec.
brave root
max defence with thorns is around 22 dmg per hit splat, so recoil, echo boots and thorns would give you 3x(22+11) = 99 recoil per hit (if you don't get hit a 0)
cursive edge
if i'm looking right A tank thorn builds with full justicar, dihns bulwark, echo...
Issue is you have to get hit for recoil/echo, so it’s unreliable. Best approach is to pair thorns as a secondary dmg source imo
stiff hinge
"whenever you're attacked"... it depends on if it properly attributes damage to enemies, yeah. you could stand on, say, xarpus poison and just shred him
small flower
would it count environmental effects like that as having the source be the boss though? is the question
stiff hinge
yeah
brave root
probably not no
brisk mauve
It's unreliable except you ahve almost no magic defense. So if the boss uses magic you should take hits, or if they have attacks that always hit.
potent quail
"whenever you're attacked"... it depends on if it properly attributes damage to ...
I dont think thats a attack
junior phoenix
That shouldn't be possible still. Even if a BB scythe averages 100 you're still only proccing it once every 12 seconds. Base hally is like 16dps, so you'd be lucky to break 25
brisk mauve
Just thorns damage by it's is pretty strong, you can basically just run in and go afk and kill anything.
junior phoenix
There's next to no difference between dinhs and dfs in terms of thorns damage, so you might as well throw in a whip or a dogger
brisk mauve
Though I donno if aoe's or venom or poison counts
brave root
I feel like blindbag would be a lot more fun if the blindbag chance capped out at 20% instead of just 10%
small flower
dogger looks very reliable for just... things in general, 2 tic is 2 tic
brave root
I'll still go blindbag for the 1/2000000000000 to proc all my blindbag weapons
cursive edge
That shouldn't be possible still. Even if a BB scythe averages 100 you're still ...
Yeah the 35 comes from +21 min hit damage being 7 tiles away
junior phoenix
I was so hopeful for blindbag to be like 50% so we could actually get somewhere
small flower
it is a bit funky with 2handers being 4tick minimum
actual proc rates on that part of it are lower for sure
brisk mauve
I'm half tempted too drop fremminik and sacrifice a little extra defense and 3% magic strength. And take mortanyia. So I can try out both my earht build and tank/thorns build
small flower
the ranged echos win out for trigger damage boosts
junior phoenix
Yeah the 35 comes from +21 min hit damage being 7 tiles away
21 min hit on 3 splats is still <100 average damage
brisk mauve
Sure i'd lose some defense stats from battle hat, and a few % ranged damage. But it'd mean that I can respec to thorns build when I get all the gear and decide which I prefer then respec back
3% is only like 1-2 damage extra.
The main loss is the defensive bonus from ancestral hat and battle helmet
And it's not a huge difference.
junior phoenix
Still 8% dps added to a lackluster 16dps hally
cursive edge
I think asgarnia dogger dfs thorns is by far the strongest melee build
Min maxing a couple extra thorns damage with dinhs and justi pales in comparison to having a 35 dps dogger slapping away
junior phoenix
Its a shame because I really was loving the idea of scything zuk, but BB is just so shit
bitter wagon
wait is dogger up on the dps calc? it wasnt there for me
junior phoenix
No, we work around it
I knew the dps of the dogger before most people even knew it's stats
cursive edge
I thought I did, but my workaround had overlooked the 40% extra hit dps
So I thought it was turbo shit initially
Basically threw in a mith scimmy and multiplied by 1.5
But it’s a heavy wep
mint stone
Which of the 3 raids will be easiest for a casual player to solo? I want to get the scythe and shadow for my builds.
brave root
ToA is easiest to solo
junior phoenix
Ironically if the dogger was heavy it would make blindbag viable
potent quail
I'm half tempted too drop fremminik and sacrifice a little extra defense and 3% ...
Also access to 2 raids which is fun
stiff hinge
the bugged e+84 ttk is very funny to see
small flower
lol
brave root
Screw it, I'm gonna go straight into the recoil tank build. I was gonna do sunlight cb starter to get easier bossing but killing bosses by tanking them to death sounds fun
Rush full rune and recoils, tank moons to death
only needs like 9 points for thorn perks with the heals
small flower
honestly can pick just about anything starter, get a peri moon set and be good even up to DT2 bosses, respec when you get the items you want
inner fable
Hi I made a post in old School game-questions and someone told me try here too. Can't forward the message as it has images #game-questions message
Do we think this is leagues related? I have no clue
brisk mauve
Plus I was wrong. Battle hat and ancestral hat has the same damage bonus. I'm only losing some defense stats. But i'm already earth build with mass defense. So the only thing i'd be losing is the 2% damage from magus ring
Yeah def gonna grab mort over fremmy so I can try out both builds.
2% ends up only being like 1 extra damage maybe 2 at some crazy perfect spots
pliant temple
thinking i might take asgarnia as my last region just to be able to respec and try out the dogger build at some point
stiff hinge
is the recoil play to go M+W for justy and water mage w/ harm and ely?
mint stone
ToA is easiest to solo
It is worth to pick desert just for the ability to get toa access? That region feels a bit dull
potent quail
https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=HoodStrangledWraps
Ahh nice i had the same idea for a build
Sadly doesnt work at all in the dps calc right now
But this build is so funny
bleak depot
does anyone know if the first mage node that increases your mage level up to 10 levels stacks with imbued heart ?
brave root
If you don't like the desert, don't pick it
small flower
yea it's all kinds of weird bits that the calc has never/is not doing very well right now lol
brave root
It's leagues so none of the raids will be impossible to solo, and you can find masses very easily
small flower
i'm probabyl gonna start my mage out with a version of it
brisk mauve
I swear I remember seeing some type of thing that you picked your regions and it told you if it was a good combination for points/trophy potential
Am I crazy?
small flower
just to see how it does at lower levels (enough for mage speed, and the bare minimums into blindbag/echoes
potent quail
i'm probabyl gonna start my mage out with a version of it
What spell are you using for bind? Undead grasp?
small flower
yea
analog lance
I just wanna sanity check with y'all: Would it be ok not to take grimoire or Desert as a mage build, meaning no ancients? If I'm grabbing the Kandarin echo weapons which are all about elemental damage, then I'm thinking ancients aren't quite so necessary
small flower
it's 100% proc for the melee hit with that one spell active
bleak depot
btw anyone using the dps calc if you have the "ranged echoes" nodes, it's throwing off your entire dps calc because its adding in those range echo max hits. like by alot
small flower
so as long as i'm within melee range (which is 2 thanks to the one pact) i've got the 25% chance for BB and 20% range echo chance from every hitsplat after that
effective? probably not, hilariously dumb? definitely
bleak depot
I just wanna sanity check with y'all: Would it be ok not to take grimoire or Des...
im taking grimoire regardless smoke barrage is gonna hit hard af, but if you're taking kandarin i think surge spells at the late game are gonna hit harder.
small flower
the calc isn't figuring the maxhit for undead grasp right either
the thing uses 12 fire runes
brisk mauve
I just wanna sanity check with y'all: Would it be ok not to take grimoire or Des...
I don;t plan on grabbing desert and im up in the air about grimiore. But there is really no reason for ancients unless you are building around ancients.
bleak depot
but you won't get accesss to surge runes until 95 rc
small flower
so maxhit is definitely not 26
brave root
you can transmute wrath runes
analog lance
nice
bleak depot
no shit?
potent quail
the thing uses 12 fire runes
Ah not implementef yet
small flower
yea
potent quail
Lots of stuff not implementef yet btw
small flower
so it should be a fun test if nothing else
analog lance
Half the reason to even take transmute is for wrath runes lol
small flower
yep
brisk mauve
Holy I almost forogt about wrath runes, I need to look at that
small flower
skip K/F, just get transmute
potent quail
https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=HoodStrangledWraps
Mhh i doubt the efficency of the style swap node
Wont you only make a max hit consistently with the ranged echo?
brisk mauve
I yeah I plan on getting transmute
bleak depot
either way we get to respec, but i'm taking ancients anyway. im so bummed that the crystal set effect only is for powered staves and doesn't stack with the staff and devil's element.
brisk mauve
and ill be in kandarin
stiff hinge
you can get wrath runes from transmute, Z, F or RC with F+K
brisk mauve
and have abundance so I only need 85 RC
stiff hinge
take your pick
small flower
that should? make my grasps get the damage boost iw ould think
toxic vortex
I just wanna sanity check with y'all: Would it be ok not to take grimoire or Des...
I plan on doing kandarin to get the echo thermy stuff but also not taking grim. It's still very powerful even without ancients
potent quail
that should? make my grasps get the damage boost iw ould think
The node in general we know nothing about
And the build is already insanely weird
small flower
honestly at that point in the tree i was really reaching for something that would actually help
lol
yea
analog lance
I plan on doing kandarin to get the echo thermy stuff but also not taking grim. ...
ok good to know I'm not crazy
toxic vortex
No. They cooked with kandarin this time.
small flower
yea, with how strong shadowflame is, you can easily skip ancients
or the 2 of the items together, it be wacky
toxic vortex
Like yeah ancients might be technically better
But that's for the spreadsheet nerds
bleak depot
you can, but i kinda want to use ancients lol
small flower
smoke is probably technically better efficiency-wise
potent quail
honestly at that point in the tree i was really reaching for something that woul...
Could take the other mellee healing node maybe?
small flower
eh, those feel lackluster
bleak depot
i calced for smoke, it does indeed hit higher, however the sheet does say that it's not correctly calcing for water
small flower
even assuming i'me 2 spaces from the things getting hit by melee, that's 2 hp at 10% chance
stiff hinge
every single league where kandarin is a scam and they said ok ok look we get it, we'll give you every piece of mage gear except shadow in kandarin, and make shadow less OP than other options
and finally kandarin is allegedly worth taking.
analog lance
I want that ungodly 189 hp water build and all else is secondary
potent quail
i calced for smoke, it does indeed hit higher, however the sheet does say that i...
The bice thing about standsrd spellbook is the prayer regen from wind rune regen
bleak depot
stiff hinge
the downside is that kandarin still puts barb assault on your task list and that's terrible
potent quail
and finally kandarin is allegedly worth taking.
Shadow still op this league
small flower
honestly every standard spell user will have infinite prayer now
they all use air runes
brave root
ZAM or ZAD is what I'm thinking just because I like the content
analog lance
the downside is that kandarin still puts barb assault on your task list and that...
For those of us who only care about getting to rune tier that's an absolute win
stiff hinge
shadow good
189 HP better
brave root
havent really even thought about what gear I'll get from em
small flower
Could take the other mellee healing node maybe?
though i guess ic ould drop some of the prayer pen, not like i'm worried about being stuck to 1 combat style lol
bleak depot
im specced into +90% overhealth with ice barrage, and the calc apparently isn't set up for that yet so we're not sure if that's gonna be better but i know it's gonna out heal a lot of shit lmao
analog lance
189 hp is just sooo funny
bleak depot
im doing the 189hp build lol
toxic vortex
I'm going KTM
potent quail
Best endgame build og the league will 100% be
The prayer air build
The numbers are just insane
small flower
water spec with any spell at all will likely just ... not die
analog lance
Best endgame build is whatever makes your heart happy
potent quail
though i guess ic ould drop some of the prayer pen, not like i'm worried about b...
It is a very awkward way to route though
Could also take healing/prayer when get hit for a 0
small flower
eh, the defenses on blue moon leave much to be desired
potent quail
I really like that node
Should work with protection prayers rihjt?
brave root
Best endgame build is whatever makes your heart happy
https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=ObservatoryManiacalPrime real... Ham build forever
potent quail
eh, the defenses on blue moon leave much to be desired
I assume
small flower
well if it's all a test anyway may as well!
potent quail
I actually never looked for that ingame
bleak depot
so the only thing i've calced so far that looks like itws gonna be a pain for leagues with my build is pnm, but i could just do it normally with a scythe even though im a mage build
potent quail
Ig there is a 0 hitsplat
bleak depot
but for soem reason pnm has 600 fucking mage defense
potent quail
but for soem reason pnm has 600 fucking mage defense
Whats pnm?
bleak depot
phosani
stiff hinge
you need 1kc for pact point
potent quail
Well shit
small flower
just start out or have first respec be into melee
bleak depot
well i can do it normally that's not the issue lol
small flower
then go back
stiff hinge
and it drops harmonized which is probably an option for mage bis
small flower
we do get 3 respecs
bleak depot
i just mean it just has terrible accuracy with my build lol
potent quail
well i can do it normally that's not the issue lol
Just do a bormal kc then?
stiff hinge
i mean the thing with pnm is you have to do a mix of melee+mage
small flower
if it weren't for the second effect of shadowflame, harm would probably still be BiS there
bleak depot
yeah, i mean i can just do it "normally" and not use my mega mage build lol
potent quail
If its just 1 kc
bleak depot
its a shame, i really enjoy the fight in the maingame. i wish they had done an echo pnm instead of grotesque guardians
small flower
i did greatly enjoy echo sol
small flower
and hunlef
bleak depot
+i took the sunlit spear i think it was gridmaster? that shit was cracked af
potent quail
I want a super echo yama boss
Would fit so well thematicly
bleak depot
so fun to use at nylo
small flower
kinda hoping yama is accessible to all, considering the league theme it would make sense, have some kind of super yama challenge w/ it
stiff hinge
echo GGs had a bit of a learning curve but was very fun once i got the rhythm, playing melee
bleak depot
echo ggs literally had a spot you could s tand still and not get hit wym lmao
analog lance
echo GGs had a very fun solve for melee
bleak depot
there was literally 3 tiles up and 1 over from the bell and you could just afk
stiff hinge
that would have been nice to know 2 years ago
analog lance
idk about other attack styles
potent quail
kinda hoping yama is accessible to all, considering the league theme it would ma...
Probably requires zeah?
small flower
yea, just dreamin there, i refuse to do zeah again XD CoX always treats me real... realllllly bad
stiff hinge
echo DKs made me want to put on a straitjacket and jump in a river
as a melee player
i.e not ranged t6 and actually having the chance to noodle and having to engage with mechanics...
potent quail
yea, just dreamin there, i refuse to do zeah again XD CoX always treats me real....
Like in theory maybe everyone has access to yama? In the starting thing?
small flower
yea, i mean we're supposed to start in a version of his lair?
idk
will have to wait and see
wiki has him solidly in zeah though
yea i can pretty easily pick up the one melee heal node, but that secon one is super awkward
stiff hinge
leagues 5 was so frustrating with how much better ranged had it than the other two
small flower
worth switching to more %regena nyway, since that would boost undead grasp some more
that perfect accuracy thing was definitely too busted
minor come-back here, just in the form of ranged echoes while wearing a bow
potent quail
Well we have it again buz super nerfed
languid oyster
Can bowfa trigger the regen echoes?
potent quail
Also bow start may be quite solid
Echo hespori should be easy
And the echo bow is a dope sustain item
potent quail
Can bowfa trigger the regen echoes?
As written i would say no
As you dont use charges
But maybe its coded in a way that it will?
stiff hinge
Well we have it again buz super nerfed
nothing anywhere on the tree is anywhere near as busted as perfect accuracy wym
small flower
I would assume that any weapon of that style on regenerating a charge would count?
potent quail
nothing anywhere on the tree is anywhere near as busted as perfect accuracy wym
You said it the ranged exho one
stiff hinge
i did not
potent quail
A permachill did
potent quail
i did not
We do have 101 max damage air spell
And you always max hit
3 tick attackspeed
Sounds quite good to me
Also people talked about dagger builds earlier and numberswise they also look insane with the echo weapon
And the crossbow build that always max hits
small flower
yea, crossbow or air look very solid, consistency tends to make for a great time
or take the gambler route for the chance of like 9 consecutive htisplats
although... tecpatl spec into a double scythe blindbag geting 2 or 3 ranged echos doesn't sound too rare?
bleak depot
does anyone know if the first mage node that that boosts your magic level by 10 stacks with imbued heart or no?
small flower
i think it was stated somewhere that it didn't, same as the earth regen one
so bummer that it doesn't stack, but a win for basically starting the game with an imbued heart and a brew at all times? (if earth mage)
bleak depot
im not doing earth lol that's the one element im not doing haha
stiff hinge
praying low-level melee prayers to buff your air damage is very funny
small flower
i think i'ma use earth as my swap for KTW power staff mage
brisk mauve
So I just found out you can be logged on in leagues world and in the main game using the same account... They need to hurry up and hotfix that, so I can afk something on the main game so I don't feel like i'm wasting xp
small flower
start off corp kills with earth then just mow him down with accursed/trident
still trellis
echothermy's staff is making me consider kandarin -.-
small flower
kandarin makes mage buidls stupidly strong
potent quail
or take the gambler route for the chance of like 9 consecutive htisplats
Like i threw the rune dagger into dps calc
And the number look insane without any investment besides the mastery
small flower
lol
potent quail
or take the gambler route for the chance of like 9 consecutive htisplats
Blindbag could have 36 hitsplats on 1 attack
Ignoring multi hit weapons
small flower
on a similar note, just straight up use dragon claws at al times, you dont get blindbags, but you do get +1 range, -1 attack speed, the ranged echoes, extra strength, and the double hit, so if you stay at 2 range in general you regen 6% spec every 3 ticks
potent quail
on a similar note, just straight up use dragon claws at al times, you dont get b...
Are they under 1 kg?
small flower
just zoom around spamming dclaw specs and shooting ranged echoes around XD
not as much investment because no thorns or blindbags, so you could pretty comfortably hybrid into powerstaves or bow or something
potent quail
But yeah cerberus dagger is insane
It is 3 tick without any pacts. The only non fun mellee weapok in the game with that property
- burn chance
- spec
small flower
i like the speed, and i know the numbers look good after it's all in, but that base melee str bugs me, i'm sure it'll be cool, and i'll end up playing around with it since my melee guys going asgarnia anyway
latent magnet
not sure which shortbows are gonna be available early on, hopefully i can get lucky with a clue
small flower
i mean there's always msb
or uhh
webweaver, that's short isn't it?
depends on region i guess
stiff hinge
do wildy pickers get to use revcave weapons outside of the wildy?
potent quail
not sure which shortbows are gonna be available early on, hopefully i can get lu...
Btw you for sure want that regen node
latent magnet
do wildy pickers get to use revcave weapons outside of the wildy?
yes they function like normal weapons. they do not get the bonus
short sphinx
not sure which shortbows are gonna be available early on, hopefully i can get lu...
What regions you thinking?
stiff hinge
i mean
i meant can they use them as actually good weapons and not shitass offbrand msb etc
small flower
yea, it's a good bow
stiff hinge
the charges do not benefit them outside of wildy, even in leagues, is the point i'm getting at
latent magnet
Btw you for sure want that regen node
oh like that
small flower
and the spec is neat
latent magnet
What regions you thinking?
1st wildy, 2nd zeah, 3rd mory
stiff hinge
i mean, it's "fine"
short sphinx
Ooooooooo a good three
latent magnet
wildy has a lot of easy pacts tasks
small flower
well, sure it's not crazy outside of wildy, but it's servicable
stiff hinge
tbf aren't most pact tasks pretty easy
small flower
looked like it
stiff hinge
you have some outliers like radiant oathplate and awakened bosses
latent magnet
only issue is zeah's
small flower
what'd zeah have? only one i'm not overly looking forward to is awakened whisper
oh that was the oathplate one wasn't it
stiff hinge
grubby chest, 150 shaman kc, skotizo, 25 cox, dhl, radiant oathplate, any ancestral piece
small flower
ah, yea that's... a bit more grindy than most
though mory is up there with phosani I guess
depending on other choices
short sphinx
Radiant plate when all tier 8 ‘s don’t work on Yama
short sphinx
I guess im just to much of a TOB homer
stiff hinge
flask is still decent for yama, minion is the one that gets bricked
stiff hinge
you don't get the free 180 damage to yama from flask but you do still get heal, prayer, spec and invuln
it's a nice get-out-of-jail-free card
potent quail
I dont dee the synergie here
Why take both bow and crossbow nodes?
potent quail
you don't get the free 180 damage to yama from flask but you do still get heal, ...
With the air prayer build flask refills after 40 seconfs
latent magnet
I dont dee the synergie here
Why take both bow and crossbow nodes?
webweaver and wildy cbow
i get to take advantage of both
small flower
oh right, it counts overage too, forgot about that
potent quail
For a cost
small flower
^, or at least having all 3 equipped but not as having attacked with them
potent quail
webweaver and wildy cbow
The wildy cbow does want the slower attackspeed 70% damage node
small flower
ye
potent quail
7 tick cbow zzz
Big big damage though
Its the boss killer
small flower
well, depends I suppose, if that 1 attack 1shots whatever you're doing, seems worthwhile
especially if you mainly just have it in the bag to lasthit something
main the bow till it's low, swap to blast out a 400 or something
(or200, idk what's actually a likely maxhit between the damage and the echoes)
potent quail
Anyways
I msde the air cbow build before echo wespon reveal
And i am so hyped the echo weapons make the build really work
potent quail
I unitonicly want to run it
Without wilderness
And just use a rune crossbow with onyx bolts
potent quail
air does look more and more tempting
Gesring up is a bitch though
latent magnet
king's barrage isn't on dps calculator but full karils looks good
small flower
yea i really don't wanna bother with clues -_-
potent quail
king's barrage isn't on dps calculator but full karils looks good
Onyx bolts are way better then karil
Op bolt
potent quail
yea i really don't wanna bother with clues -_-
Its not that many clue items
You get sunfire set from colo
It is a endgame build you dont leaguestart it
Well except my version
But here you start with the crossbow halve
small flower
what's your mage accuracy if you're planning the sunfire?
potent quail
what's your mage accuracy if you're planning the sunfire?
Faux will make a video on it
I think he had 100 base?
He did not use the body
Should come out tomorrow
small flower
yea that seems alright
stiff hinge
you can path to the "5+5% per tile distance to roll max accuracy" down in ranged
north cave
Does the spec restore capstone work based on attacks or hitsplats?
Would a scythe be 6% energy?
stiff hinge
i think the 2% per hit capstone is hitsplats, hence being "per hit" and having the claws icon
latent magnet
ok i think this has much better synergy with the wildy cbow's ice barrage
toxic vortex
Other nodes have been specific about per attack
stiff hinge
^ that too
small flower
don't forget the 2 extra +5% ranged echo nodes near the bottom
stiff hinge
the fact that you have "per hit" vs "per attack"
north cave
Is the wiki dps calc accurate?
Its saying 9 points just in melee tree is 20.5 dps on verzik with a whip + avernic
Which is almost same as full blindbag (with scythes and 5 weapons) + max range nally is only 22.8 dps?
small flower
"King's barrage is a two-handed crossbow that can be obtained fro"
potent quail
ok i think this has much better synergy with the wildy cbow's ice barrage
The question is what do you do pre echo cbow
Does the build also work?
latent magnet
The question is what do you do pre echo cbow
Does the build also work?
full karils w/ amulet of the damned slaps. prior to that, hunter crossbow
small flower
hunter crossbow should actually be a really nice start
or yea, go for karils if mory
latent magnet
which they said is going to be available at the start
like dorg cbow
which makes cbow start very viable
potent quail
ok i think this has much better synergy with the wildy cbow's ice barrage
Also big problem with the wcho cbow:
Overkill damage with the slow attackspeed
So maybe worth investibg into another Style a bit for fast kills?
small flower
I think i'd probably go for something like this
https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=NuggetCopperInsect
latent magnet
mage is an option
small flower
i like CG, gonna have my mage over there
prisma sapphire
I remember seeing a clean list of questions that the community has had and answers from mods, but I can't seem to find it anywhere. Can anyone point me in the right direction?
I also have not been able to get into the leagues discord. Every invite link I get is expired. Any help there would also be appreciated 🙂
potent quail
full karils w/ amulet of the damned slaps. prior to that, hunter crossbow
Also dont forget to check rune crossbow with onyx bolts
Insane damage
And healing
No one knows onyx bolts enchanted effect
small flower
especially considering you need 1 whole bolt to get started
potent quail
I remember seeing a clean list of questions that the community has had and answe...
Its in the leagues discord
potent quail
you cant transmute gems into onyx
Karmaja store
latent magnet
also big crafting grind
and runite bolts
big smithing grind
no ez runite bolts like last leagues
prisma sapphire
Its in the leagues discord
Thanks. I am kind of a boomer... Is there a link or something to get in?
stiff hinge
67 crafting isn't that bad
latent magnet
too much missing from the dps calc to make decisions
kings barrage isnt there
some relic effects arent working
potent quail
kings barrage isnt there
Throw in rune cbow with diamond bolts
stiff hinge
67 crafting, 73 fletching, 87 magic for onyx bolt (e)
you can get rune bolts from steel dragons which you'll probably want to kill anyway for rcb limbs
latent magnet
early mage spec might be the move until fight caves, range options seem bleak until wildy
idk
ugh everything is so backloaded to harder tasks lol
i wish it was like leagues v where you could get t8 right after fight caves
i mean you can hit a mastery before fight cave but trying to get a good balance between sustain and dps sux
north cave
Does fire rune regeneration affect powered staves?
It says spell hit not magic attack
latent magnet
i wanna hit like a truck and have prayer+hp regen
small flower
It says spell hit not magic attack
i've been under the assumption that it does but only if you have the pact that regens 1 fire/water/air/earth rune on charge use froma powered staff
otherwise idk why those pact nodes exist
and only 1
stiff hinge
i wanna hit like a truck *and* have prayer+hp regen
mage is your friend
winged trench
For the echo Huntliff from last league, did you have to go through all of the gauntlet to fight it? Or could you just do the boss fight?
small flower
yep
winged trench
Same loot as usual?
stiff hinge
the gap in sustain between mage and either of the other styles is honestly insane
winged trench
That’s sweet
small flower
so farming it out for seeds was way easier once you got the echo orb to drop
stiff hinge
like you can eventually get 10hp every 2 ticks plus 60% of damage as healing
melee is "20% chance per attack dealt of healing 1hp per tile distance"
still trellis
echo hun was/is also like only 5% harder than corrupted hun, so there really is basically no downside to just farming echo hun unless your current skill cap happened to neatly fall into that 5% range, like mine was last league lololol
small flower
especially if you get the prayer pen, fight gets real real easy
stiff hinge
unless i'm missing it?
small flower
it doesn't
just the hespori bow itself, or onyx bolts in any crossbow
but nothing on the tree
stiff hinge
you can get a tiny amount of ranged strength for being either overhealed (somehow) or like a ghetto doodoo dharoks
small flower
yep
still trellis
unless i'm missing it?
it did... in leagues 5 >:)
stiff hinge
but it means you can't overheal
small flower
could do a throwing tank that uses the heal 2 on being hit for 0 and the thorns ones
to sit at max hp chucking darts or w/e
or using tonalztics
but i can't see those being any good (sadly)
though dragon darts are probably completely viable
throw on full torva, DFS, fero gloves? thrown weapons get range str for 80% of melee, and a nice chunk of flat range accuracy
so you can just wear full melee power gear
go with thorns for extra damage, and poke things
static notch
harm build with justiciar armour and dfs, it appeared to me in a dream
https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-10-100-101-122-139-140-141-145-146-156-44-45-46-48-56-59-6-60-61-62-63-64-68-71-8-80-81-84-87-88-92-93-94-95-96-98-99
does no damage but recovers 31 hp every 4 ticks
small flower
if the goal is just heal tanking, could probably do just as well going shadowflame water surge with the thorns
the capstone water node would be a chunky addition to that
at minimal defense loss
static notch
likely not enough accuracy for that to work
small flower
probably would have to swap gear around yea
static notch
the point of harm here is to heal on 2tick instead of 3tick
still trellis
small flower
uhhh
good question
afking some echo boss that has overheads? XD
except you forgot cast speed
and don't need 135% prayer pen
still trellis
small flower
but it would probably work!
with mory or kandarin
orrr, fremm? go for ice barrage and virtus/magus ring? idk
still trellis
afking some echo boss that has overheads? XD
afk shredding zulrah with the fork perhaps lol
small flower
the dps calc definitely does not play well with the air pact capstone
stiff hinge
you think so?
still trellis
cool, you can max mage in 40 points (assuming no access to ancients)
static notch
For a more conventional water mage I would go with this core (35/40)
https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-10-100-101-11-112-113-114-122-44-45-46-55-56-57-58-59-6-60-61-68-7-8-82-83-86-87-88-9-92-93-94-96-98-99
filling out with damage increases/prayer pen as desired
stiff hinge
the dps calc definitely does not play well with the air pact capstone
i think it works perfectly, >50 prayer bonus w/ devil's element, taking the capstone doubles expected DPS (which is correct) and describes the hit distribution as being either max hits or 0s (for misses)
still trellis
stiff hinge
brother you have 49% accuracy
small flower
yea
stiff hinge
wait yeah wtf
wary egret
stiff hinge
44% chance of max hit, 50% chance of missing, 6% chance of void damage
small flower
switch to gemstone crab for 99% acc
and it still looks like a fairly normal distro
am i forgetting to check some box? XD
stiff hinge
oh
you have 45 prayer bonus, not 50, so you have a 10% chance to roll normally instead of max hit
small flower
yea, 90% should still a split between 50 and a 27 or however that maths out with shadowflame
55 22 probably
actually exactly that
wut
i'm even more confused now
what is that damage distribution
copper shale
anyone know how regenaration works with bowfs and corrupted bowfa?
small flower
can only assume that it's meant to count as regenerating a charge on shot for the purposes of ranged echoes
idk if any jmod has clarified ranged charge weapons specifically
wary egret
butler actually seems like one of the best herblore construction solves
small flower
yea, kinda ignored it at first, but it does look really solid
wary egret
i think ill butler then reload in to transmute
small flower
will probably use reloaded to go back for it, or switch 'em around and use reloaded for transmutation
yep
still trellis
for being T7, isn't flow state a noob trap relic? lol
small flower
feels like it :/
seems like by the time you hit T7 you don't really need a general relic, would probably have a couple skills you specifically wanna address, and just reload back into them
still trellis
tbh for reloaded it kind of seems like the choice is between taking transmutation/clue relic and nature's/larcenist, as those are the only ones that i can really think of that would really do anything that late into a leagues run
small flower
depends on region choices, can see lots of them being a useful return choice
still trellis
also maybe the unrevealed T6 relic lol
small flower
also true, was figuring i'd do both grimoire and culling spree on the mage, but will definitely depend on that last t6
the last t8 at this point i'm probably gonna take no matter what, not thrilled with the other 2
still trellis
tbh t8 feels super underwhelming compared to last year's t8 (even if this year's minion is yet another buff to the minion relic lmao)
pseudo mantle
Do we know if the recoil boosting pacts will make rings of recoil break faster, or no?
small flower
i would hope not, you'd be equipping a new one every 2 or 3 hits
or maybe the charge regen could count for rings?
it doesn't specify weapon charges
it just says "charges"
oh nvm
yes it does
i'm blind
so probably not that
just hope it still just uses 1 charge per instance of damage dealt, and not 1 charge per damage dealt
cuz yea that would drain fast
you'd have to mass-craft recoils even if you went kandarin just to keep refilling the suffering too
pseudo mantle
Here's hoping, man.
small flower
extending the charge regen to nonweapons would be nice, would let non-kandarin goer's still have decent thorn/recoil effect
still trellis
https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=SpadefulMjolnirSaeldor hmmm this is a nice max hit mhmm yes i would definitely need to do this
static notch
harm build with justiciar armour and dfs, it appeared to me in a dream
https://t...
plugged in the last two pacts, wildy for voidwaker
https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-10-100-101-122-139-140-141-145-146-156-44-45-46-48-56-59-6-60-61-62-63-64-68-71-79-8-80-81-84-85-87-88-92-93-94-95-96-98-99
small flower
wish more of the 1hander melee's fit under the light weapon category
small flower
https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=SpadefulMjolnirSaeldor hmmm this is a nice max hit mhmm...
there's always ardy4 for a 0.001 dps increase!
lol
still trellis
lmao
small flower
there actually is culling spree on task tho
for a 120
unless you would want reloaded for something else
small flower
plugged in the last two pacts, wildy for voidwaker
https://tools.runescape.wiki/...
while it's not too crazy, you could pick up the 1-handers get 20% of str as str bonus node for a pretty decent boost for melee
static notch
that's in there
still trellis
there actually is culling spree on task tho
ooo missed that switch, time to... one hit kill fire giants
yay lmao
small flower
oh i'm blind, i copied the wrong one or something somehow XD
I guess it just depends on if you really want that last +5 defense node then, the thrown pact with +5 str/+2magicdamage while wearing an offhand should count shields i would think
or the earth regen node actually, that one seems superfluous
static notch
earth regen is for defence boost
static notch
i think they said pot doesn't stack with +def pacts
small flower
oh, i thought it was possible with the +basedef , but not with the earth regen one
sleek wraith
man...farming 5 scythes willbe a pain lolz
small flower
assuming uncharged both counts as a unique item and actually deals damage, 3 and a couple godswords is probably fine
hollow thicket
hello, noob here, is there a place i could see which boss/items are unlocked with each region?
small flower
the wiki is pretty good about that, just click on the area icons on the right
it's got a decent synopsis of what you unlock with each area
scroll down on each area and it's got a table for unique loot from the area and what drops it, as well as the rates at each relic stage
hollow thicket
oh i didnt even think of that, thanks!
potent quail
hello, noob here, is there a place i could see which boss/items are unlocked wit...
There is a famous user made graph thats hella usefull
I dont have it sadly though
smoky raft
one sec
potent quail
man...farming 5 scythes willbe a pain lolz
You do not need them to make your build work
small flower
the scythes are more a "lol numbers" than anything even remotely required XD
smoky raft
small flower
godswords should be relatively to farm out and would provide significant damage
oh!, that's niec
torn knot
Does anyone know if the crystal blessing bonus will work with a crossbow since it works on any type of melee or mage weapon?
small flower
nope, the range portion is still bowfa only
smoky raft
a crossbow is not a melee weapon or a powered staff
small flower
and yea it's not any mage, just powered staves
torn knot
Awesome ty
hollow thicket
also silly question... how do we train slayer in varlamore?
torn knot
I believe zanaris
smoky raft
during leagues like this one, all slayer masters are changed to give the same tasks and points as each other. None of them have requirements to use, and they will only assign tasks that you personally have both access to and the requirements to beat
small flower
so duradel also works, once you get to karamja
hollow thicket
i see
potent quail
Its amazing how much stuff varlamore is
Do we need the staff to use fairy rings to get to zanaris? Or do we have lumby elite complete?
Also just realized we cant do lumby achievment diary
smoky raft
Its amazing how much stuff varlamore is
what modern game design does to a mf
if only all the regions were that good stares very blatantly at karamja
manic prairie
potent quail
Karmja litrrally saved thanks to foghting caves and Inferno
potent quail
thoughts on this? https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-10-11-135-136-...
You 100% want the 15% chance to trigger echo
smoky raft
Karmja litrrally saved thanks to foghting caves and Inferno
I mean when the choices are "above ground racism" or "under ground lava monsters that you can fight" I'm gonna take the lava monsters
manic prairie
but you arent equiping a ranged weapon before it procs?
so the extra 15% doesnt trigger until after the 5%, then at that point whats more accuracy doing if it already tirggered
potent quail
thoughts on this? https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-10-11-135-136-...
Also 6 skillpoints on small nodes you can remove, may be able to route to something usefull
potent quail
so the extra 15% doesnt trigger until after the 5%, then at that point whats mor...
It works like the other 2 work
potent quail
I mean when the choices are "above ground racism" or "under ground lava monsters...
Besides gem mine
Is there ANYTHING above ground on karamja thats usefull?
I guesd gout tuber?
smoky raft
thoughts on this? https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-10-11-135-136-...
learn this One Simple Trick to get an extra 10 def levels absolutely FREE
manic prairie
sounds like voodoo
small flower
I guesd gout tuber? <:kekw:997907574034792498>
you've convinced me to convert to PrAir over Earth, but it completely broke the dps calcs hit distribution
wary egret
how difficult is day 1 t4?
smoky raft
small flower
uhh, i never go that fast so idk, maybe if you follow someone step by step who moves that fast? XD
winged trench
Is the ice barrage damage from the crossbow affected by the damage increase from specing into the crossbow? Or do those buffs only able to the range hit, and not the ice barrage hit?
potent quail
Mhh does this work with ranging echo?
So if the ranging echo max hits your next mellee attack gets the bonus?
Ranging echo is ranged
smoky raft
but is it your max hit?
small flower
I've been guessing it would, but who knows
it does also use melee stats to calc the damage for ranged echoes triggered from that pact
soooo
🤷
potent quail
you've convinced me to convert to PrAir over Earth, but it completely broke the ...
Important
This build requires TONS of specific gear
I think its not a good leaguestarter
Faus will make a video on this tomorrow, very worth checking out
small flower
i dont tend to look at video people
that's also not bad
crystal's easy, i'm obviously not starting with that tree
potent quail
but is it *your* max hit?
Btw everyone ignored this node
I feel like i am the only person that cares about it
So no one asked questions about it to husky 
I was day 1
This node is busted
smoky raft
in the main game I get about 5
potent quail
that's also not bad
He literally build that build out with the full strategie today
Probably the most optimal build you will find for now
manic prairie
max hit is like 808
smoky raft
you don't need to get the absolute best dps
potent quail
max hit is like 808
Doubt
small flower
well, i'm picking regions i know i'll enjoy playing, i dont bother with guides
potent quail
max hit is like 808
Is it blindbag?
manic prairie
small flower
yea the dps calc figures blindbag will proc 5 times in a row without fail for the maxhit or something like that
the ranged echoes too
even if it's a 20-10-10-10% chance
potent quail
Yeah this assumes
All 5 blondbags trigger
Each of the 5 blindbags triggers all 5 ranging echoes
Literally 1 in 1 billion chance
stiff hinge
is there a mod post saying that blindbag can only hit 5 times?
small flower
what i really want is for the tecpatl to be put in so i can figure out w/e the hell my melee guys actual damage would be w/ spec stuff
not afaik, it's not on any descriptions of the pacts i've seen
potent quail
is there a mod post saying that blindbag can only hit 5 times?
Read the blindbag description on the tree lol
stiff hinge
with the pacts as written there's no reason to think you can't theoretically roll the 25% chance 50 times in a row and oneshot anything
manic prairie
woiuld a godsword be better than the echo boppers?
stiff hinge
it has a base 15% chance and adds +2% for every unique weapon in your inventory
small flower
each unique weapon increases chance up to a max of 5 weapons, but it doesn't say that each weapon can only trigger once from an initial attack
i'm gonna assume it is limited like that yea
but it doesn't say it :/
manic prairie
the nodes say max 5
potent quail
it has a base 15% chance and adds +2% for every unique weapon in your inventory
Up to 5 for that
manic prairie
for both chances and repeat attacks
potent quail
But yeah base böindbag does look at your entire video
stiff hinge
the nodes say max 5 for the nodes that increase the effect
manic prairie
i cant wait to echo a soul reaper axe and have it kill me
potent quail
So yeah in theory a full 28 weapon inventory would work
stiff hinge
they do not say that you can only hit with five weapons and there's no indication that you can't use duplicate weapons or anything
wary egret
anyone know the hourly xp on butler?
small flower
the wiki page for it has expected resources gained over time
idk about anything listed actual xp gain
wary egret
it does have it
small flower
o
wary egret
Butler's Bell processing Experience per hour
Relic Tier (multiplier) 4 (8x) 5-6 (12x) 7-8 (16x)
Smithing 19,200 28,800 38,400
Cooking 33,600 50,400 67,200
Fletching 24,000 36,000 48,000
Crafting 120,000 180,000 240,000
Herblore 24,000 36,000 48,000
small flower
oh, well that works
wary egret
crafting is funny, 54 hour afk 99
stiff hinge
so you could in theory have nox+crystal halberds, 2 kitted scythes and 24 regular scythes and do some very funny damage gambling
or even just the 2 halberds and 3 scythes and have it recursively proc, we have no idea if that's impossible, is what i'm getting from this conversation
potent quail
crafting is funny, 54 hour afk 99
Thats actually really solid
small flower
i really don't see whatever you guys are seeing where it's saying each weapon can only trigger once per attack, and i'm lookin
potent quail
It may not
wary egret
Thats actually really solid
yeah ive almost done a complete rework of my strategy lol
potent quail
So when it pulls out of the bag a used weapon may be put back into the bag
So you could get it again
small flower
i was also working under the assumption that it was limited in some way for repeats
but i didn't see it actually written anywhere
stiff hinge
not being limited could be why it's only 25% max chance
wary egret
without butler whats the best way to train con? mahogany homes?
or is that a misth thing
small flower
i mean ranged echoes are cascading at half base chance at 4 repeats, and for non-crossbow that's pretty low chance
so it'd make sense that the bags were too
but will have to wait for someone in the know to clarify, or someone to go out and hit something and crash the server because they got godroll RNG and it triggered 8 million times in a row doing 0 damage each hit and blew up the server
manic prairie
i feel like i start mage with powered staff, then spec in to melee after mori
stiff hinge
to be fair 25% is low enough that a huge roll is astonishingly rare
stiff hinge
0.00009537% chance of ten hits
small flower
i feel like i start mage with powered staff, then spec in to melee after mori
yea, kandarin power staff should be pretty easy to get going early
stiff hinge
so, slightly worse than one in a million
hollow thicket
do we know if we can stack the harmonized nightmare staff + the combat mastery for 2 tick standard spells?
stiff hinge
it will happen a few times during the league
small flower
where each inital roll takes at least 2.4 seconds, depending on the weapon you're using
stiff hinge
i would be astonished if you couldn't
small flower
yea, i'd imagine that works fine
stiff hinge
considering the pact makes a point of saying you can't reduce below 2 ticks and 2t in the first place requires harm
manic prairie
do we know if we can stack the harmonized nightmare staff + the combat mastery f...
seems to be the only way to get 2 ticks
obtuse moat
would chally charge regen count towards range echo proc? Not sure about the wording as range echo procs off "ammo" regen.
manic prairie
i kinda wish long ranged melee wasnt on this tree
small flower
probably not? the only way melee gets the ranged echoes is from the on hit proc node where it specifies
manic prairie
it feels likie its just all ranged leagues
boreal imp
the KBD cross bow if you take the water mage tree an ice to water jimmy does the kbd cross bow 2nd arrow heal u
small flower
i mean you don't have to go hally
manic prairie
i think ranged should be a perk, not a goal
stiff hinge
should do yes
small flower
i'm not
manic prairie
i would rather thast melee had 3 branches without the ranged branch tbh
its just so much better than the other 3
obtuse moat
probably not? the only way melee gets the ranged echoes is from the on hit proc ...
I see. You sure that's the only way? I've seen people theory craft that melee can get more % range echo chance from the first crossbow pact that gives +15% chance. Since that pact you mentioned says "as if you have a crossbow, bow, and thrown weapon equipped". I doubt it though. Seems like a stretch.
small flower
you can, the node that lets you get them also says it acts as if you have all 3 types of ranged weaopns equipped
obtuse moat
😲
small flower
so those first echo nodes should boost it so it doesn't miss, happens at 20% base chance and has 20% chance to maxhit
am i missing something, the only way I see to really push that further is drop the last prayer pen nodes and pick up another 15% accuracy
obtuse moat
The wording man the wording 😭
small flower
well, or decide on kourend for last region and slap on fero gloves I guess
manic prairie
crossbow node really sounds like a trap to me
manic prairie
% echo chance
manic prairie
it only works if you have a crossbow equiped, and you dont have a crossbow equiped for the melee node
small flower
the melee node that lets you do ranged echoes
manic prairie
and the melee node triggered means you already triggered
so its already triggered, whats it adding now?
small flower
specifies that it treats it as you having a bow, crossbow, AND thrown weapon equipped
small flower
"When hitting a target with a two handed melee weapon, you have a 5% chance to trigger a Ranged echo as if you have a bow, crossbow and thrown weapon equipped"
it's counting the 15% into the initial chance
manic prairie
that not the wording
manic prairie
does it treat melee as a ranged weapon at all times or only after it triggers?
thats not clear
small flower
for the purposes of that specific node, in order to trigger and calculate ranged echoes
for no other purpose
manic prairie
if always, sure the crossbow node works, if not, crossbow node doesnt work
weary drift
Anyone got a mage/thorns AFK build? Thinking of going MWK for the powered staff and gear on my alt, ideas? Really wanna see what that staff can do
manic prairie
mwk?
wary egret
What’s everyone’s construction strategy
small flower
ignore it until i really really can't stand looking at a 1 anymore
stiff hinge
cry about it
small flower
probably butler for plants and just do homes tbh
weary drift
mwk?
yee, I wanted the staff, W has the cape and the shield, and K has the occult, but might be good to do smth else instead of K
small flower
T over K gets you crystal, whole purpose of that echo is it boostnig power staves
though you could also just wear virtus or something
weary drift
What’s everyone’s construction strategy
get enough money through a relic to buy my way through it
wary egret
probably butler for plants and just do homes tbh
Yeah that’s what I was thinking. T4 herblore butler until T7 reload into transmute then put butler on planks
weary drift
T over K gets you crystal, whole purpose of that echo is it boostnig power stave...
would crystal be tanky enough?
stiff hinge
none of the relics are great for making the kind of money you need to buy construct
small flower
yea, crystal defenses are pretty decent
stiff hinge
at least not in the way you would with GG in previous leagues
small flower
abundance would eventually get you there
just get a few 200m combats
and there ya go
got a billion
weary drift
none of the relics are great for making the kind of money you need to buy constr...
I mean, transmute will eventually get you there, but Larc would do it damn quick
small flower
in certain regions yea larc could
weary drift
in certain regions yea larc could
not even, AFK the onyx stall and pray
small flower
XD
fair enough
i guess it's easier to afk that this time around with it making guards ignore you
manic prairie
yee, I wanted the staff, W has the cape and the shield, and K has the occult, bu...
oh, regions
small flower
don't have to trap it