leagues-general

[low cloak]

Master farmers for seeds, various NPCs for coins

It doesn't work with chests, so no rogues chests

Can't really think of anything else

[old tapir]

i really need to see the desert echo item before i'm locked into my regions and style

i told myself a week ago i'd be melee this time because i was mage in raging echoes, but with the hespori bow and definitely picking kourend, ranged seems more favorable

would be really funny if the desert item is like, drygore longsword

and looks like the rs3 one

which tbf, does look really cool

[formal gulch]

I don't really wanna commit too many supplies to it, especially when I don't really have a lot of snapdragon seeds for super restores.

[sleek wraith]

Man…dodgy deals or natures…..tough decision.

[meager mango]

its ok just do muspah it drops a crazy amount of snaps

like an insane amount

[sleek wraith]

I need to see prif and desert echo item.

[old tapir]

how so

[toxic vortex]

@jade yacht

[plain pasture]

im also hoping to be able to go melee, and not be nerfed to every other style of player.

melee is an easy area pick also, you can go asgarnia with starting varla and have almost max str bonus.
coupled with kourend for ferocious gloves, dragon claws its a nasty mix.

leaves you an open area to pick for your gameplay style/fun

asgarnia is like the god tier area for melee

bandos armour, defenders, d boots/prims (effectively gets u treads max), godswords, void melee armour for early on, torva upgrade late game.

varlamore has vardovis for ultor ring drop (no b ring needed), and also vardovis for SRA pieces. (usually second bis melee weapon)

kourend gets you from onyx bracelet to ferocious gloves as it drops the gloves directly due to needing multiple areas to make them otherwise.

fremenik may be a good melee pick on top of this, purely for battlehelm depending how good it is.

otherwise soemthign new may be added for another area.

of course your gonna want at least 1 raid area, so you can get scythe (if its still bis), we have to wait on combat information to be released, aswell as remainign echo bosses and their drops information

oh asgarnia also has the echo dagger, but we need to see stats of it etc before judging if its even worth getting.
if it doesnt beat the likes of SRA from vardovis its a waste of time.

[toxic vortex]

@plain pasture #leagues-general message

[minor summit]

Most Echo items, the stats were good, it's mostly the effects you are chasing.

[uneven loom]

What area is pest control in?

[plain pasture]

ahh so thieving relic does affect clues in terms of 10x loot, not too bad.

thing is atm the relics are spread out compared what we'd normally have, like no prod master currently but features of it mixed in with other relics.
so be interesting to see what other T4 we get that may be more worth than clue relic.

[toxic vortex]

in thoery

Husky is going to confirm but we won't find out until Tuesday

[plain pasture]

im a bit worried atm about herb/craft, theyve got to add an instant invo relic for them surely.
right now we have fletching covered (prod master style) with woodsman

but we need cook/smith/craft/herb

[toxic vortex]

hot foot does cooking

and smith

[plain pasture]

no it only does food and ores gathered

but not manually done

for example bars on anvil/fish on range

[toxic vortex]

it still cooks and smelts bars

[plain pasture]

yeh but we had that also

in previous leagues seperate to production master

with infernal tools/skill specific ones in echo

we still had prod master in addition to this

i dont midn the splitting up, but we need every production skill covered

herb will be horrid if its not instant invos

hoping the final t2 is a mix for craft/herb/construction tbh

or herb/craft at a minimum

[manic prairie]

Production mastery seems to be split in 3 for the tier 2 relics

[plain pasture]

its not split though

the only production master effect we have atm is fletching with woodsman,

the instant smelting ores/cooking fish is not production master.
its on par with infernal tools gathering relics

production master covers what you on anvils, in your invo

Production Master was a Tier 5 Relic in the Raging Echoes League, and gave the following benefits:

When doing the following Production activities, all items are processed at once:
Smelting ores, Smithing bars and making Cannonballs.
Fletching logs, stringing Bows, making arrow shafts and cutting bolt tips.
Making headless arrows, regular arrows, bolts and darts. (Capped at 10x the regular amount per action)
Cleaning herbs and making Potions which do not have a stackable secondary ingredient.
Cooking food, making pies or pizzas and making Jugs of Wine.
Crafting leather, uncut gems, glassblowing, jewellery, pottery, Battlestaves and spinning flax or wool.

that is prod master^

Infernal Gathering was a Tier 5 Relic in the Trailblazer Reloaded League, and gave the following benefits:

The player is given a set of Trailblazer tools that act as undegradable variants of crystal tools with no requirements, plus some additional effects:
Trailblazer axe - Any logs chopped are burned, granting Firemaking experience regardless of level requirements. Performs 1 tick quicker than normal tools.
Trailblazer pickaxe - Any ore mined will be smelted into a metal bar (if applicable), granting Smithing experience regardless of level requirements. Performs 1 tick quicker than normal tools.
Trailblazer harpoon - Any fish caught are cooked, granting Cooking experience regardless of level requirements. If equipped, it will also work for fish that don't require a harpoon to be caught, e.g. trout. Performs 2 ticks quicker than normal tools.

that is infernal (mostly what we have atm in relics)

what im saying is;
its good its split up, rather than one opaf relic.
but, it needs to cover all skills in the tier of relics not just fletching which is already stupidly easy.
we have no herblore, crafting, smithing (anvil), cooking food (range) covered atm

[unique smelt]

Kind of a weird thing to ask, but are the big point chasers like Maz relieved that all regions are equal this league?

[muted cairn]

i havent played since leagues 5, but i was very active on multiple accounts for a few years before that. is there an easy way to check which pets my accounts have on leagues before bonding them and loading into a leagues server?

[molten gust]

Do you happen to have screenshots turned on for runelite? If so it saves them to their own section which would have pets in it. Outside of that I got no idea.

[muted cairn]

i did ty

[sleek wraith]

So what we thinking? Farming or thieving relic? Theicing relic could be good.

[azure root]

farming

till

we get another herb solve

[blissful fiber]

Can you "harvest" echo hespori?

Or he just dies normally

[low cloak]

Good question

Let me consult the leagues discord

[blissful fiber]

Cause if ur grinding for his drop, it's a niche chunk of exp

[low cloak]

No farming xp from echo hespori

But you still get seeds

[sleek wraith]

if you have zeah then best farm xp will be tithe with farm relic

since the boost that relic gives works with tithe and the more stuff you turn in the more xp and points you get

so will prob be an easy 99 skill if you were to grab zeah

[old tapir]

tithe still good without the relic, like 1.5-1.7mil xp/h

farming relic is just all around bad if you pick kourend

it doesn't solve herblore and it unnecessarily solves farming

[cinder remnant]

I want to pick Z but I heard the cox tasks can be really long.

[sleek wraith]

would it not? you recieve 10x yield with it. that alone would solve herbs right?

[sleek wraith]

and yeh its pretty long. im hoping they fixed that issue but from what im hearing they didnt. hopefully i heard wrong

[old tapir]

the long ones are autocompleted this time https://i.imgur.com/4BsUoLu.png

the only one in there that's rough is the perfect trio

and maybe the tightrope if you can't find 2 other people who wanna do it

i wouldn't count on soloing it since there's no death prevention relic

[trail lake]

P neck w pot of fervour or doesnt that count

[old tapir]

could

but fervour isn't exactly death prevention

[trail lake]

Yh, was also slightly doubting bc of it

But so far best idea for this case i could think of

[old tapir]

anyway

really just those two CAs that are any trouble at all

in a league setting

imo

now that all the killcount ones are autocompleted

thank zezima for that

[cinder remnant]

Okay so that makes Z a little better

But might be rough going for all tasks

[old tapir]

i think i got pretty close last time

yeah i think i did everything except the fish sack and golden tench

because i am just really apathetic towards aerial fishing

ah actually i might not have done 5 mimics either

definitely did 1 though

one of my pet peeves from last time was that the mega rare weapon tasks weren't global tasks despite them being obtainable in multiple regions

you could get a shadow without desert, but wouldn't get points unless you had desert

it was dumb

so i hope that's solved this time around

[old tapir]

news

[twilit halo]

whats with the delays, yesterday and today?

[iron prawn]

easter

[twilit halo]

oh, i didnt relize that means posting something takes longer. and now the news page doesnt even load

[iron prawn]

they probably have a system where it posts everywhere at the same time, so it could also be that

[errant pebble]

it's up

[cinder remnant]

Yup just not on their news post though

[errant pebble]

i cant attach pictures

[iron prawn]

i got stick bugged 😔

[errant pebble]

friendly forager

t2

solve for herblore

i think i'll stick with hotfoot

[atomic folio]

https://x.com/OldSchoolRS/status/2040082602699169924?s=20

Old School RuneScape (@OldSchoolRS)

Gather herbs swiftly and brew nature to your benefit with the relic Friendly Forager.

🔥 https://t.co/sT7ToNcSkR

X · Apr 3, 2026, 3:02 PM

[gentle rune]

Sorry im picking zeah and im not picking natures

[old tapir]

okay so that's the obvious reload target

just gotta know the other t7 relic to really lock that in

[gentle rune]

Can you get lightbearer in zeah or only desert

[old tapir]

only desert

[gentle rune]

No

[molten gust]

Its from toa so yeah. Desert only

[gentle rune]

My t8 relic

[old tapir]

tbow, scythe and shadow are the only things you can get in any raid

[gentle rune]

This new relic pairs really well with slayer relic

Because you get herb sack for free

[molten gust]

So do we know what tier this relic is? The blog doesn’t seem to be updated with it yet.

[gentle rune]

Tier 2

[twilit halo]

was anyone hoping for this one?

[gentle rune]

Which i dont care about

[molten gust]

Ah, welp guess its probably woodsmen for me. I already used this one last leagues to great effect. Don’t think I need to try to beat getting 200m at rank 6 for herblore again.

[cinder remnant]

Can get larcenist and reload into this or NA

[old tapir]

im not sold on larcenist, especially as a hotfoot picker

[cinder remnant]

But I recall husky saying something about focusing on pvm so idk

[gentle rune]

Barb reloaded into endless harvest is pretty sick

[old tapir]

but i also don't know off the top of my head how much money construction needs

and fletching i suppose

[fickle pine]

in the relic's description, it is any perk below tier 7, so yes

[gentle rune]

Fixing crane?

Nah wait its bagged plants

[cinder remnant]

Yeah fair. I’m just speculating with the currently release relics. Subject to change when the others release

[fickle pine]

Larcenist looks good if you are going combat, blood shards are pretty nice to get. It also helps out crafting greatly too, since you can steal from stalls in Tzhaar, for uncut gems

Blood fury + the Amoxi weapon might be ridiculous together

[gentle rune]

I just realized that if you pick abundance you are able to craft blood runes at 67 rc

[old tapir]

if you pick morytania that is

[twilit halo]

why would anyone not pick Morytania though? its a blast lol

[old tapir]

since points per region are equalized this time, you actually have to do nightmare to get the most out of it

and nightmare is poopy

look at the totals from last time https://i.imgur.com/gl95XtP.png

its no wonder everybody went mory

[gentle rune]

If you pick abundance and hotfoot you get passive xp income but your agility is boosted by 10

[fickle pine]

It is also the easiest mid game armour to acquire in osrs, since barrows is over-head cheesable

[gentle rune]

Everyones going tbow torva

[twilit halo]

i never did nightmare

[old tapir]

so not caring about t4 through t6 relics, i really just wanna know the other t7, the desert echo, and the masteries now

and then we're gaming

[gentle rune]

Im choosing second t7 what ever it is

[pale thistle]

forager is back

[sleek wraith]

Looks like I may have to choose reloaded for t7

That forager is a good relic

[fickle pine]

I think there is a great path for combat so far
Abundance > Friendly Forager > Evil eye > Clues > Larcenist > Culling > Reload? (other most likely pocket misc) > Flask

[sleek wraith]

Abundance?????????? I mean yeah but there will be gem crab we can afk and will most likely 100% be first thing most people do first hour

[gentle rune]

If ur picking reload ur picking barb+endless harvest 100%

[sleek wraith]

What???why would you choose barb and endless????

[gentle rune]

The thing is afk is not op its the reason why people quit league

[fickle pine]

Controlled dual-hit at 16x +abunance grants like a base 32k/hr in all melee combat skills

[gentle rune]

Because you get double resources and xp for those+10%for strength and agility

[sleek wraith]

Yeah but you also get a useless sack that you won’t need because endless banks resources

[twilit halo]

endless harvest--hotfoot--larcenist--reloaded to natures accord

[obsidian bluff]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/hotfoot

[fickle pine]

Consider the dual macua's that can hit stab controlled.
(1.33 atk +2)(base tier multiplier)(tier 3 1.5 combat multiplier) + potential equilibrium 10%
(1.33 str +2)(base tier multiplier)(tier 3 1.5 combat multiplier) + potential equilibrium 10%
(1.33 def +2)(base tier multiplier)(tier 3 1.5 combat multiplier) + potential equilibrium 10%
(1.33 hp +2)(base tier multiplier)(tier 3 1.5 combat multiplier) + potential equilibrium 10%
then times that by 2 because you hit twice.

[sleek wraith]

So 1/3 of the relic is useless

That’s what I’m leaning towards green

[gentle rune]

But the rest is good

Theres a better way to train defense

Tbow torva

[smoky raft]

wait

additively?

precription goggles give 10%

[full lodge]

Yes, so everyone has 100% if they pick FF

[smoky raft]

if that stacks additively that's a 100% chance to save secondaries

[toxic vortex]

IF pocket kingdom comes back, then reloaded is the obvious pick

something tells me that pocket kingdom wont come back though

[fickle pine]

Honestly, I hope the other 7 is equilibrium, that is when i would need it anyways

[toxic vortex]

I like the relic for pocket kingdom. Its a neat effect

but having a relic that entirely relies on picking 1 specific region isn't really good

[sleek wraith]

I enjoyed pocket kingdom

[toxic vortex]

Yeah I probably would have too, but I didnt take F

[molten gust]

Yeah the herbsack was like that last leagues with the goggles. Basically only needed 27 of an ingredient to make everything. Getting the secondary bag too allows you to make 26 potions at once with each inv.

[sleek wraith]

Endless and hotfoot is what I’m 100% going for

[fickle pine]

abundance > Friendly forager Karambwanji

[sleek wraith]

At this time though I’ll go for reloaded and grab either theicing relic or herb one

[gentle rune]

Because everything is made in an instant you still need 14 unf pots and 14 second ingredients

If you got that much ingredients prob not consider getting prescription goggles then

[sleek wraith]

1 if you got goggles from varlamore

[gentle rune]

No you cant make 27 potion with just 1

You need 14 14

[sleek wraith]

If it’s 100% save then you won’t need 14. It will work like league before that saved secondaries

Only needed one at 100% save

[gentle rune]

No because potions are made in an instant

[tacit oyster]

you cannot automatically make more than you have secondaries in inventory/pouch

[gentle rune]

This

[sleek wraith]

Ahh forgot…instant…maybe it will lol?

Do we know for a fact we will need 14/14 even with goggles?

[gentle rune]

Yes

[sleek wraith]

Ahh then boo

[molten gust]

Get the secondary bag. Make 26 all at once.

[sleek wraith]

I’ll take my chances at farming herbs with nature relic

[gentle rune]

You have the silkline bag in in your cape slot you have herb sack in your inventory

[sleek wraith]

SH yeah true. Forgot about the secondary bag

[gentle rune]

Why would it say it shares an inventory with the herb sack

For no reason

[molten gust]

Its so you don’t double up. Thats all

[gentle rune]

Ok

I already set my mind to it and im not picking friendly forager

[molten gust]

Yeah same. Did enough of that during ranging echos.

[sleek wraith]

Hotfoot is what I’m grabbing

[gentle rune]

Im picking spec relic +second t7

[lean spear]

Hotfoot is far and away the better choice surely

[gentle rune]

What ever it is

[lean spear]

Especially with the harvest relic existing

[sleek wraith]

You think hot foot 100% success works in sepulchre?

[lean spear]

No, sadly that is 100% skill issue lmao

[sleek wraith]

Lol

[tacit oyster]

im probably taking friendly forager, unless they add infnite potion/food relic or demonic pact

[sleek wraith]

Oh man infinite shark was amazing

Loved that thing

Swear if they make recall relic a t7 relic I’ll lose my mind…

[lean spear]

Went mory last leagues, avoiding it this year because Sepulchre, nightmare and barrows tasks suck

[gentle rune]

Its gonna be bankers note

[lean spear]

Outside of those it’s a fun region

[sleek wraith]

It’s not bad if you got recall for barrows

And with boss relic it may be faster

[old tapir]

BREAKING NEWS; nature's accord found dead, sources say the cause was the relic's own weakness, a nearby witness had the following statement to make; "rip bozo"

[gentle rune]

Picking mory+evil eye

[minor summit]

Yeah evil eye negates recall for barrows

[gentle rune]

Because once you done with the brothers you can tele straight into chest room

[sleek wraith]

Idk if I wanna go mory again this leavue. Depends if I want to go melee or range

[lean spear]

Now we can get to nightmare and barrows quicker to be screwed by rng, quicker

[old tapir]

what's in mory for melee

dharok i guess?

[sleek wraith]

Kind of want to go kourend and prif

Depending on echo item of prif

[minor summit]

Inquisitor's

[old tapir]

are you gonna do nightmare though?

[sleek wraith]

Justice

[minor summit]

Fuck no

[sleek wraith]

Lol

[toxic vortex]

nox hally

rancour

[old tapir]

excuse me, justi is ranged armor

[lean spear]

Haven’t picked Asgarnia before during leagues so I’m picking that

[old tapir]

araxxor is fair

[sleek wraith]

YeH mory is pretty much a guarantee of you go melee

[lean spear]

No clue what other regions I’ll pick

[sleek wraith]

That and asgarnia

[old tapir]

but honestly just pick kourend and there's your scythe and oath

easy

[smoky raft]

honestly mory seems less necessary this time around

[minor summit]

Asgarnia is a no brainer for melee.

[sleek wraith]

Well yeah true. Forgot about mega rate tickets

[gentle rune]

My name explains it all

[sleek wraith]

Rare

[smoky raft]

slayer helm relic w/ full blood moon is likely gonna be your BiS until you get actual BiS anyway

[minor summit]

I want to know if Cerb dagger has synergy with the Devil's Element....

[sleek wraith]

But you won’t be able to get a slayer helm without mory?

[gentle rune]

You forgot that if you pick asgarnia you need wilderness for respective god capes

[lean spear]

I hate the chokehold mory has on leagues with slayer helm propaganda

[sleek wraith]

Why need wilderness lol

[smoky raft]

Culling Spree gives the effect of the slayer helm without requiring you to wear or even have it

[old tapir]

as far as we know, only through the relic

[molten gust]

Mory has nox, rancour, inq mace, barrows stuff, g hammer/maul.

[minor summit]

Probably why they added the slayer relic effect

[smoky raft]

meaning you can use it with armor set passives like blood moon

[sleek wraith]

Gotcha

[lean spear]

Yeah but that means you take culling spree

[smoky raft]

that is the caveat

[lean spear]

Jokes aside it looks like a good relic

[smoky raft]

depends what other T6 relics we get

[lean spear]

Just know whatever it’s up against will be better lol

[tacit oyster]

culling spree relic gives you slayer helm (i) effects without needing slayer helm

[sleek wraith]

YeH but do I really want culling spree??

lol

[lean spear]

Do you like elite clues

[gentle rune]

But you can block task

[minor summit]

If other t6 is shit

[sleek wraith]

No. No I don’t

[old tapir]

i suspect v's helmet will also count as a slayer helmet, but i could be wrong on that

[lean spear]

Correct

[blissful fiber]

the new relic would be good if it wasnt competing with hot footed ngl

[sleek wraith]

Yeah unless other t6 are trash

If t7 relic going against reloaded is trash then I’ll go for reloaded and maybe grab forager relic

[blissful fiber]

what could even beat reloaded?

[sleek wraith]

Or maybe a different one

[old tapir]

surely they wouldn't pit banker's note against reloaded right

[sleek wraith]

Recall

[lean spear]

The other T6 relic should just simple be “gives 99 runecrafting”. Then we can see how the masses vote

[old tapir]

that would be evil

[sleek wraith]

I would 100% grab recall if it went against reloaded

[blissful fiber]

would recall really be worth it with all the tp options?

against reloaded

[sleek wraith]

Yeah. I used it all the time for skilling

[molten gust]

I doubt even golden god would do good against reloaded. Since it would be so late to get it.

[minor summit]

So far Evil Eye is a solid choice. I don't see what other teleport relic that could compete

[sleek wraith]

Golden god wouldn’t be worth it at that point I think

I get endless t1. I can get prayer up right then

[blissful fiber]

whats the furthest tier that yall would allow golden god to be?

[minor summit]

Golden god got shafted, had to of considering Abundance

[sleek wraith]

3

[lean spear]

There’s already 3 ‘teleport’ relics up for grabs

[sleek wraith]

T3 would be latest for me for golden god

[old tapir]

i wonder if there's a fast way to get 30 prayer in varlamore

[minor summit]

Right so maybe T3 isnt two other tele relics

[lean spear]

No clue how many more they can conjure up for the remaining t3 spaces

[sleek wraith]

Wines?

[toxic vortex]

it would be weird for there to be 4 teleport relics

[sleek wraith]

Probably isn’t 2 more teleport relics

I mean we already have two that are in different tiers

[lean spear]

What if there’s a polar opposite to evil eye that opens up all teleports to usable alters

‘Good eye’ if you will

[sleek wraith]

Pass

[old tapir]

can you guess what the requirement is to use those?

[minor summit]

Definitely pass

[lean spear]

I agree on pass but a funny concept

[sleek wraith]

Bankers briefcase would be nice to have

[minor summit]

Don't need bankers briefcase

[sleek wraith]

But I would still pass on briefcase

[minor summit]

Evil Eye has Bank tele

With Huey

[lean spear]

Evil eye and eventually natures accord has all the teleports you’d ever need lol

[molten gust]

Considering t3 seems to be the teleport relic level. The soonest for something like golden god would be t4

[old tapir]

pocket jewelry box

would you take

[toxic vortex]

no

[minor summit]

No

[old tapir]

pocket portal nexus

would you take

[sleek wraith]

Nope

[toxic vortex]

eternal jeweler was a meme pick when it was first introduced

it'd be a meme now

[molten gust]

We can build all the stuff in portal nexus with enough currency.

[sleek wraith]

People who chose jewelry relic are the ones who passed on infinite stamina in leagues 1

[minor summit]

Eh...too many teleports still isn't great. If the menu is annoying with 100 teles, doesn't make it better.

[lean spear]

Teleport relic that teleports you to all agility shortcuts in the game

Spitballing here

[gentle rune]

Guys whaddya think the last t8 will be

[sleek wraith]

I don’t think we will get another tp relic

Unless it’s recall

[minor summit]

Spec relic

[tacit oyster]

t3, t4 and t5 all have teleport related parts

[old tapir]

pocket oak tree, teleports you to any oak tree

would you take

[lean spear]

Wildy pickers in ruins

[toxic vortex]

pocket dragon trophy

would you take

[minor summit]

Lol only if Professor Oak makes a cameo

[sleek wraith]

“There is a right time and place for everything”

Nothing more scary than omnipotent ash Ketchum

[minor summit]

Maybe (doubtful) they bring the relic from RS3 league where you tele to your slayer task. I don't like it, but it is possible. League 5 had a clue teleport relic and a clue relic for synergy

[toxic vortex]

very doubtful

[lean spear]

Would kinda force you to take culling spree if so

[minor summit]

Eh, I would choose either or tbh

[sleek wraith]

How many choosing kourend?

I’m choosing it because of the shear amount of skills I can have covered in 1 region

Can 99 mage and rc at library if I wanted

[lean spear]

Theres a lot of good and a lot of shit in kourend

Good region tho

[toxic vortex]

that sounds like an awful way to spend your league

[sleek wraith]

It’s what I did in leagues 1 L0l

[minor summit]

If Hespori is the only Echo, I am not choosing Kourend. Doubtful we are getting a 100% accurate mastery again

[sleek wraith]

The short bow sounds interesting for hespori

[tacit oyster]

basically the bad part about kourend is cox mega rare voucher, at least they are reducing chance to get scrolls there so might help a little

[old tapir]

assassin's insight was pretty great yeah

[lean spear]

The trade off is you’re doing CMs all league

[sleek wraith]

I meannn it’s not that bad in league but we got two other raids that are better

[minor summit]

Reducing the chance? So they are making it harder?

[sleek wraith]

No reducing chance of getting just toilet paper

Because many last leavue complained they only got scrolls

[minor summit]

Oh of scrolls

[old tapir]

aren't the purples guaranteed aswell

because they weren't in raging echoes

[lean spear]

Not in Cox

[tacit oyster]

making dex and arcane more rare so you can actually pull other items

[lean spear]

As far as I’m aware

[sleek wraith]

Grid master was only thing that was 100% guaranteed purple in hard mode

[tacit oyster]

cox was basically same as yama in gridmaster where you only get dossiers

[sleek wraith]

Raging echos wasn’t a guarantee

[minor summit]

Fuck. That. Noise. Lol

[sleek wraith]

Least I don’t think so. I can’t remember

[lean spear]

Bro the Yama task for gridmaster nearly caused me to blow my shi smooth off

[minor summit]

Same

[lean spear]

50+ dossiers

[sleek wraith]

I gave up lol

[minor summit]

I was 300kc before I got oathplate legs

[lean spear]

Then the audacity to give me a horn after all that

[old tapir]

gonna be using ranged so much i might need to claim a second tbow just for the 4k dragon arrows it comes with

[lean spear]

Tbow comes with arrows??

[minor summit]

In GM it did

[sleek wraith]

Mega voucher tbow

[minor summit]

It also did in L5?

[sleek wraith]

We don’t know if we will get those this league

[lean spear]

I thought I was a genius for picking asgarnia for the amethyst

[sleek wraith]

They may not even give us mega vouchers this leavue

[minor summit]

But, did you pick power miner?

[molten gust]

I just really hope it doesn’t have the issue that gridmaster yama had. Sure the droprate is less in leagues compared to gridmaster. But dos’s could still be a problem if they get the droprate buff.

[tacit oyster]

megavoucher gave fully charged scythe, fully charged shadow, tbow with 10k dragon arrows

[lean spear]

Last league? Hell no

[minor summit]

I didn't either lol, I was a fisherman

[sleek wraith]

Fisherman yeah

[lean spear]

Why don’t I remember this

Yeah I took the fishing relic

[minor summit]

This year....guess I can be anything with EH and Hotfoot

[sleek wraith]

Depending on areas yeag

If you go mage then it’s guarantee you going kandarin unless we get an echo boss that drops nech and ring slots

[minor summit]

I will go Kandarin if I find out the Cerb dagger has synergy with the Devil's Element. That would be weird but wild

[sleek wraith]

And I do not wanna do another league where I got to do 2k monkey laps and lvl5 in each roll again

Hellllllll no

[lean spear]

This

[old tapir]

do you get ancients if you pick the desert?

[sleek wraith]

Yeah

[lean spear]

Yeah

[old tapir]

ooooo

[sleek wraith]

Only way to get ancients

[old tapir]

aside from a potential grim

[sleek wraith]

That

Forgot about that

[lean spear]

Unless they drop a grimoire

[sleek wraith]

Chances are it won’t be for relic but a combat mastery

[old tapir]

that would be nice

[lean spear]

Wonder how the masteries will be handled this year

[old tapir]

melee is kinda in shambles having to pick kandarin just for piety

[sleek wraith]

It’s not just piety

[lean spear]

Doing certain tasks unlock skill points again?

[tacit oyster]

i think its the demonic pacts instead of masteries

[sleek wraith]

Wait I misread

[old tapir]

what else is there for melee in kandarin

[sleek wraith]

You said kandarin

[old tapir]

i suppose devil's element if you get the funny dagger and they actually work together

[sleek wraith]

I read asgarnia for some reason lol

[old tapir]

but most bosses dont have elemental weakness

[blissful fiber]

You know what?
I might do endless harvest > reloaded > barbarian gathering

[sleek wraith]

Why would you need kandarin for piety? Am I kissing something

[old tapir]

because camelot is in kandarin

[sleek wraith]

But the quest to unlock piety is in asgarnia isn’t it?

[edgy lava]

ayo who else goin endless herbs in the mining guild

[molten gust]

You unlock piety in camelot.

[sleek wraith]

Derp

[toxic vortex]

Its a post quest thing

[old tapir]

king's ransom is autocompleted, knight training grounds are not

[sleek wraith]

Man if I choose melee then no way in hell I’m choosing kandarin just for a prayer

[old tapir]

but you kinda have to, its 20% damage and accuracy

[sleek wraith]

Unless we get a relic that unlocks all prayers regardless of areas

Or combat mastery

[old tapir]

unless you wanan cruise with ultimate strength

could be fun too

[blissful fiber]

I'm personally planning to get kourend, desert
Still not sure what to grab for my 5th

[sleek wraith]

Telling you. Kandarin is ass for tasks lol

[old tapir]

what's bad about kandarin tasks

[sleek wraith]

I did it once and I absolutely hated my life in that area

2k monkey laps for one

[minor summit]

Last time I picked Kandarin was L2

[full lodge]

Monkey Laps and BA are kinda rough

[sleek wraith]

Lvl 5 in each barbarian assault role and unlocking rewards there is another

[minor summit]

I never did those tasks lol

[full lodge]

Hotfoot should work for Monkey Laps this time though

[sleek wraith]

Finding a group for that in kandarin is rough

[old tapir]

you know what, that's valid

[tacit oyster]

tasks are fine, except barbarian assault. just the unlocks and training methods are way less than in other regions

[sleek wraith]

It does

Hot foot is pretty much required for kandarin so you don’t lose your mind at monkey laps

[molten gust]

Only reason to pick kanarin is really for magic imo.

[white patio]

tbh they shouldn't even try to save it the region just sucks

should've burned that one with yama

[blissful fiber]

Should have burned it along with mishtalin

[gentle rune]

Whats good about aether runes

[tacit oyster]

aether runes just save 1-2 inv slots

[old tapir]

what's good about any combination rune

[sleek wraith]

Watch prif echo item be absolutely op

Granted the last echo item was niiiice

For prif

[tacit oyster]

1 tick blowpipe

[old tapir]

crystal blessing didn't really excite me at all

even though i know it was good

[sleek wraith]

Naaa it’s gonna be death touch darts for bp.

[old tapir]

just really boring item

[minor summit]

Bro, death touch darts lol

[sleek wraith]

Lol

[minor summit]

Lol L6: Another Range Meta League

[sleek wraith]

Range been meta for idk how long

It just makes most pvm faster

[minor summit]

But L4 Mage kinda shined a little brighter

[old tapir]

where's ava's for magic when you need it

[blissful fiber]

isnt one of the echo weapons the uh

wheel thingy

[sleek wraith]

Melee is the one jagex needs to work on

[blissful fiber]

that count as all runes?

or sum

i forgot

[sleek wraith]

It always slacks compared to other 2

[old tapir]

devil's element yes

[minor summit]

Yeah Devil's Element counts as elemental runes and double elemental weakness

[tacit oyster]

devil's element counts as all elemental runes

[sleek wraith]

Think it stacks with twins staff from royal giants?

[minor summit]

Sorry *double elemental weakness

Is Twin Staff two hand?

[sleek wraith]

Uhhhhhhhh

[tacit oyster]

1 handed

[sleek wraith]

Think it’s one.

[minor summit]

It should

But Devil's Element is kinda niche, is it not?

[blissful fiber]

u hating on the basic spell book?

[sleek wraith]

Think so. But n can’t remember last time I looked at a bosses element weakness

[tacit oyster]

main issue for devil's element last time was needing to pick fremmenik for amulet/ring so you were only left with 1 slot for region that has weaknesses

well technically 0 regions since you wanted zeah or dt2 boss for robes

[sharp shuttle]

has it been confirmed that endless harvest will bank the auto cooked/smelted resources if taken with hotfoot?

[minor summit]

Eh, I may not pick a raid region. Only raiding I've ever done was GM TOA for my Tbow.

[tacit oyster]

raid should be pretty easy in leagues, idk how finding team for tob would be. You just reduce your total point cap a lot without raid

[minor summit]

I mostly have fun Solo bossing and skilling

[blissful fiber]

ima be fr im only taking kourend for wintertodt and woodcutting guild

and im taking desert for tempoross

[minor summit]

Fuck

Forgot about those

[tacit oyster]

should still be able to reach dragon trophy with any region combination even without raids

[minor summit]

I have never reached Dragon. I usually burn out once I hit the last tier lol

Good thing is, with my job, I can AFK a lot, randomly. So, I think it is smart for me to pick a lot of AFK relics. I did do Colosseum and TOA raid on mobile at work one day during Gridmaster lol

[sleek wraith]

Yes it’s been confirmed

I’ve hit dragon every league so far. I plan to get. 6th trophy

[dapper blaze]

Have we had the 6pm reveal yet or is it delayed? :-?

[sharp shuttle]

where has it been confirmed? cant seem to find it when searching up either hotfooted or endless harvest in the leagues generalr or faq

[tacit oyster]

probably on leagues discord server

#636001942773956609 message jmod in leagues discord say hotfoot synergises with all t1 relics

So it would be the best afk point relic by far

[sharp shuttle]

gotcha, was looking at the wrong server

[tacit oyster]

I wonder what will be today's echo boss reveal

[toxic vortex]

only desert and t left

[tacit oyster]

echo tempoross

[minor summit]

What other desert bosses are there that would make sense to have an echo? It's just Leviathan, KQ and Tempoross for bosses right?

Not including TOA

For T, they could do Echo Zulrah.

[copper gorge]

Probably levi or kq. Would doubt they do an echo wardens or something from toa

[smoky raft]

Echo monkey room

[tacit oyster]

https://x.com/OldSchoolRS/status/2040142458101625311 echo kq with changed Drygore blowpipe effects

Old School RuneScape (@OldSchoolRS)

The Kalphite Queen echo boss returns with a familiar drop. Ignite your foes in stacks and strike with the same cutting accuracy rolls as before 🔥

X · Apr 3, 2026, 7:00 PM

[smoky raft]

drygore but its spicy now

[tacit oyster]

sounds like it would have burn effect similar to eclipse set

[smoky raft]

man melee's really getting the short end of the echo stick

So far we've got:

• Amoxliatl
• Cerberus
  ... and I think that's it

[tacit oyster]

dks helm is for all styles i think

[molten gust]

Tbh as much as people ragged on the hespori salamander from last time. It was nice for its ranged melee ability.

[smoky raft]

big trumpet lmao

[old tapir]

unless the masteries are complete dogwater, this is looking like a kourend+fremmy+desert ranged league

i am excited

[smoky raft]

I really think the mysteries are gonna be very different to last league

I still strongly expect that the halved attack speed mastery will be fundamentally changed if not removed entirely. It very strongly encourages the use of 5 tick weapons and Jagex knows that... yet we keep getting echo weapon reveals at 3-4t

[tacit oyster]

they could still add karamja echo boss

they also ran it back with double accuracy roll on drygore bp so maybe no 100% accuracy range mastery

[strange blaze]

Idk about this one. Its just jad and zuk. So the chance is just not that high.

[molten gust]

Yeah karamja just doesn’t really got bosses besides jad and zuk.

Though tbf they did do echo sol

[polar dagger]

I never have any experience at Varlamore. Anyone has any guides for me?

[tacit oyster]

echo sol and echo hunleff both skipped waves/prep

echo jad could be similar

[cinder remnant]

Wildy has the barrage cross bow though, so might be really fun with the bosses in A

[old tapir]

i would just never pick wildy unless they disable pvp entirely

[molten gust]

Also hates wildy so will not pick it.

[old tapir]

i don't know why they didn't this time since the only people who are gonna be doing it are trolls

there's no point to it

[cinder remnant]

Ik but that’s like really the only draw for me rn if I go range

I suppose ancients can make it up from desert

[strange blaze]

Ive never experienced more than like 1-2 people in the wildy but thats just my personal experience, I dont know very many people who actively do it.

[fringe sage]

Curious, how will Krystillia work if you choose wildy in the league since we dont have access to edgeville?

[tacit oyster]

all slayer masters give same tasks in leagues, should just depend on region unlocks for the key drops. Then again not sure if krystilia is considered wildy or misthalin

[strange blaze]

I imagine krystillia will just get moved into the wilderness by edgeville if thats a thing they are concerned with

[tacit oyster]

probably unlocking wildy gives larran key drops from any slayer master if i had to guess

[strange blaze]

But yeah, Since all slayer masters are linked to tasks, there isnt any wilderness only

But they do mention krys in the wilderness unlock, so i imagine they just move her somewhere, maybe even ferox

[toxic vortex]

this is true

All masters also give the same amount of points per task

[lucid jay]

There's a ton of league FAQ questions but the FAQ hasn't been updated on the site officially. Is there another list anywhere in discord or we are all waiting for an official update?

[toxic vortex]

I honestly dont know why the FAQ section here exists. The jmods invovled in leagues aren't involved in this server

I've answered questions that I could, but as far as I know there isn't going to be any answers from Jagex in that channel

[lucid jay]

They put it in their post under FAQ to specifically use that channel. Edit: They put it on their leagues 6 reveals page on the official website*

[toxic vortex]

[unique smelt]

What sources of demon bane do we have for Moka?

[blissful fiber]

I'm planning to grab kourend and desert but idk what to get for my last region

Actually... I might drop desert since I won't need tempoross for fishing since I'm going endless harvest...

Aw man... It's so hard

[tacit oyster]

only confirmed source is demonbane spells i think. They said cannot access tormented demons through normal method from misthalin, so could be alternative way.

[smoky raft]

iirc the blog says something about them having a plan for demonbane

[toxic vortex]

They said that demonbane would be covered

I'm guessing it's integrated in to the combat tiers/masteries

[molten gust]

Maybe once they are out of echo bosses? Hopefully its soon since haven’t really had anything to be super hyped over so far.

[smoky raft]

There's like 11 or 12 days left til the launch, and we've got... 9 relics left? I figure they'll either keep doing 2 reveals per day or just dump all the combat masteries on like the day before

[minor summit]

I think they already confirmed (unsure exactly where to find this info) that Krystalia isn't moving into the wilderness

[strange blaze]

Weird, wonder why they mention her for wilderness unlock then

[minor summit]

I may be wrong. I am trying to find it. I don't have access to League Discord

Nevermind ignore it. I thought I had read something about her, but I cannot find facts to back it up.

Does anybody know what the nursery rhyme is a reference to? Has that been figured out?

[strange blaze]

I wouldnt be surprised tbh haha

I just dont know why they would mention krytallia would assign any task like the rest of them under the wilderness section if they were keeping her there and preventing the hopping over the wall

[toxic vortex]

I thought I saw something about it as well but I could have made that up

It would make sense for her to be in the wild. Probably ferox

[low cloak]

Pleae Gagecks, give us crystal gauntlets with barrows gloves stats

[manic prairie]

ew

give us crystal gauntlets with rune glove stats

[sleek wraith]

wondering if prif item will be the same as last league or something different

[toxic vortex]

Majority of items have been different

Remains to be seen if we will have a different boss entirely or not

[strange solstice]

they said new echo bosses were not the focus for this league 👀

[tacit oyster]

demonic pacts are the main focus for this league, nothing about them revealed yet

[molten gust]

Yeah thats what I had already thought with it. Echoes were the main thing for Raging Echoes. This is Demonic Pacts. We need to see something about them soon I feel.

[spark jackal]

Has there been anything demonic yet

[tacit oyster]

based on that jmod post on leagues discord they will start doing demonic pact reveals next week

[spark jackal]

Cb news would be great lol

[toxic vortex]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[molten gust]

Grimoire! T6!

Someone who can post it go get the image.

[tacit oyster]

T6

[idle cipher]

Kinda hoped they would shake it up with something new

[inland adder]

More varient twists be interesting

[tacit oyster]

melee need to either pick morytania for black mask or reloaded to get both grimoire and culling spree

2nd t7 relic is probably the biggest impact on my plan since both grimoire and culling spree are nice

there will be 2nd reveal today, which is probably another echo boss

[inland adder]

Im still undecided on which route to go with all of this

Not sure wat to focus on

[abstract fox]

FUN

[toxic vortex]

Piety isn't that important

[tacit oyster]

piety is more important than slayer helm

[toxic vortex]

I mean it just isn't as much of an impact.

[molten gust]

It will depend on what the last option for it is. I don’t super feel the need to go for the slayer relic. And grimoire would be more for piety than the other bits it offers.

[toxic vortex]

Taking grim for piety alone is sort of meh

[blissful fiber]

am i missing something or the grimoire sucks?

[tacit oyster]

yeah sadly piety + str bonus helm = slayer helm without piety

[toxic vortex]

I mean it's the same relic as before

So it's not new and flashy

Culling spree is at least different so it's nice

I might consider taking reload in to grim, will depend on the other t7

[spark jackal]

Wish we get new stuff 😔

[vocal plover]

there will be new stuff with pacts

[molten gust]

It is a nice relic if you don’t have the area’s for the spell or prayers (aka kourend, desert, fremmy, kanderin.). But its not flashy is the best way to put it.

[toxic vortex]

The issue is you are already really strong with combat masteries+pots. Piety is a nice buff, but it's not going to add all that much in the grand scheme

[inland adder]

Starting in a different spot with an not accessible area makes thinks interesting this time around

[toxic vortex]

With what not accessible

[inland adder]

A potential different approach in how u would start

[inland adder]

Misthalin

[blissful fiber]

like, as much that i hate slayer, culling spree is just a better pick than grimoire

[toxic vortex]

I would agree

[molten gust]

I can’t remember. Was it confirmed whether we got isle of souls or not? Mainly thinking for imbue stuff. Since my current picks will not have a location to do that at if it’s unavailable.

[toxic vortex]

Confirmed no isle of souls

It is part of misthalin

[molten gust]

Hmm. Hopefully they have some option for imbuing stuff…

[toxic vortex]

Nmz

[molten gust]

Considering thats based on quests. Even if you grab Kanderin, it would be a struggle.

[blissful fiber]

isnt nmz disabled?

oh wait

yeah its disabled but you can just buy points

"Access to the Nightmare Zone is restricted. To obtain Nightmare Zone points speak to Dominic Onion and purchase them for 1 GP each."

[inland adder]

good to know

[tacit oyster]

nzm is locked behind kandarin though

[toxic vortex]

Yup

[sleek wraith]

yeah forget culling spree lolol. grimoire all the way

[inland adder]

now all i have to do is get that far

[blissful fiber]

im already getting kourend and desert

so really, i dont need the grimoire

worst case scenario, im missing piety

[toxic vortex]

Yeah. If you are already taking desert and kourend then taking grim is sort of a waste

But we will have to see what the other t7 is

[copper gorge]

I took grim last year and didnt go desert getting a staff that could autocast ancients was such a bitch it just didnt happen.

[sleek wraith]

but it unlocks lunars too tho

[toxic vortex]

Yeah, but lunars is probably the least helpful spellbook

[sleek wraith]

granted not sure what my method for crafting or con will be yet

i dont plan to grab desert. kourend im still 50/50 on

[molten gust]

Moon spear is the easiest option this time around.

[toxic vortex]

Especially since it will be fairly accessible early on

I'd imagine amox/echo amox in to moons for the armor

[copper gorge]

There is a lumberyard in auburnvale for con. We will have access

[sleek wraith]

but rly culling spree over grimoire? i get it if you choose desert

since ancients prob the biggest go to for grimoire

if i used book of the dead for thralls and i choose the thrall relic in t8 do i get 2 thralls spawned?

[toxic vortex]

Probably

But the thrall from arceeus would be a normal thrall

[molten gust]

Considering I am planning melee. Guess melee only slayer helm will not be a huge deal if I got no place to imbue.

[toxic vortex]

I honestly don't know if they are both allowed at the same time

[molten gust]

I feel like that was the case with the horn from last time?

[toxic vortex]

I think so but I don't remember

[molten gust]

Since they all count as a “thrall” in terms of using the spell. It most likely will override the old one.

[toxic vortex]

@sleek wraith probably best to ask that in the leagues discord

[limpid lava]

Dragon hunter wand is so nice for mage gang

[toxic vortex]

Right, and it can auto ancients too yeah

?

[winged trench]

I need to know what that is ASAP

[tacit oyster]

crystal blessing from previous league (with bonus effect)

[cinder remnant]

I just saw the new relic and this. I’m not sure about the new relic hmm

If I’m reading this right you get ancients with grimoir even if you don’t pick desert

[tacit oyster]

grimoir really depends on your region picks

if you choose desert + kourend then it is just for piety

[cinder remnant]

Right

[toxic vortex]

And if you are taking desert/kourend, you may not be taking melee as your primary combay

[cinder remnant]

True but maybe it’s just the feeling of why are some relics where they are

[gentle rune]

Remember guys farming relic does not have ultracompost so if ur taking grimoire thats good

[toxic vortex]

Yeah. Some of the relics are interesting

Larcenist being the most questionable as of right now.

Assuming it is confirmed that it does actually work with clues, it's not as bad

[sleek wraith]

I’m grabbing prif lolol. 100%

I’ll probably grab kourend this time too

Idk what 3rd are will be. Maybe asgarnia

Or mory

[toxic vortex]

Probably depends on what combat style you are going for

[molten gust]

Ultracompost will not really be possible since volcanic ash is only from fossil island. Which is not available since thats area is on fire.

[toxic vortex]

It is with lunars I thought

[molten gust]

You need volcanic ash in your inventory for that spell

[toxic vortex]

Ah

Then nvm

[molten gust]

Super is the most we will be able to do sadly.

[plain pasture]

Will piety require both region is the question

Asgarnia nd kandarin

[toxic vortex]

Usually just kandarin

[plain pasture]

Or is it autocomplete on unlocking one if them like previously

Last 2 league you unlocked by either area

[toxic vortex]

The quest auto completes I believe, but you have to do the mini game thing to unlock it

[sleek wraith]

Kandarin will be needed for piety def. Don’t think will need both asgarnia and kandarin

[toxic vortex]

And that isnt fulfilled from the auto complete

[plain pasture]

Hopefully it is

[toxic vortex]

It isnt

[sleek wraith]

Or just grab grimoire and won’t have to worry about that

[plain pasture]

Have they released info in area unlocks?

[toxic vortex]

Previous leagues you needed to either take K or something like grim that gave you all prayers

[sleek wraith]

Think if you click the areas on the page it shows what is unlocked

[languid mauve]

I still cant figure out what to oair endless harvest to on tier 2 relics. Part of me thinks without knowing other relics or the combat relics it will be hard to decide. I want to go magic but only if its been changed or improved from previous years

[sleek wraith]

Tier 2 will def be hotfoot for me. That alone will cut down on time for getting supplies for pvm. Endless harvest that banks and hotfoot that cooks and smelts to bars would make cooking,fishing,mining and smithing annnnddd prayer basically all afk 99 skills

[tacit oyster]

that is probably the best casual combination since it allows you to afk many skills

[gentle rune]

Seems fair enough you get 10x loot so it really just saves crops

[gentle rune]

Wait does that mean crops have a chance to die at all stages

Oh wait nvm

[plain pasture]

t2 is a fairly easy choice overall and thats forager.

fletching is fairly fast in itself

smithing/crafting are both semi afk, and if you go area such as prif its buyable with insanely fast xp rates.

cooking is again fairly afk.

whilst herblore is in no way afk, and far more used than other skills (other than cooking), but with healing effects, and the afk aspect of cooking this doesnt factor really.

so having to farm 90% less secondaries from sources, being able to instantly make potions and they being made as 4 dose is a huge benefit.
far more than any other t2 relic will give in terms of QOL and/or time saved.

the real argument is which T1 to go initially.
they are all very good in their own ways and is a difficult argument to which is best.
its moreso suited to your gamign styles and desired outcome.

for example if your goal is to max, then abundance is the clear choice.
if you only intend on skilling to gain points and you dont mind banking every few invos then barbarian is the way to go.
whilst if you enjoy relaxed gameplay, with plenty of afk then endless is the clear choice.

on another note - forager will also help you obtain early herbs before any combat or potential of farming relic is picked.
especially if you went endless harvest, as you can empty the herb sack to your invo each time it is filled and the herbs come out noted (if it is in line with previous version). meaning you dont have to move from the skilling spot untill you are done

[plain pasture]

didnt the last one unlock piety with asgarnia or kandarin pick? then previously to this you needed both

[toxic vortex]

You still had to complete the knights training ground in order to actually get piety.

That can only be done through kandarin itself

[errant pebble]

Master mixology will give you levels pretty fast

[plain pasture]

its not so much about just lvls

and mixology is still training something that is so much better with relic

potions is probably the most used thing in leagues due to how much combat is done

skilling is just a side thing only truly relevent if your intending to max

[copper gorge]

Potions are the most used things??? Really?

Guess it heavily depends on relic route and locations

[errant pebble]

If you pick t5 relic you solve herblore too

[jade yacht]

Use 10x less secondaries + perks or receive 10x more (farmable) secondaries + perks

Will say the convenience of infinite secondaries with goggles is enticing

[errant pebble]

I feel that FF is better for herblore, but NA gives you very good herblore + farming solved. And you get to choose hotfoot which is great. We wait to see what other option t5 will reveal

It might change the picture

[sleek wraith]

Naaa I hardly used potions at all during any league. It was mostly food with bankers note. Only thing I used a lot of were super restores and super combats.range, etc. never used a brew

[molten gust]

Yeah bankers note makes brews kinda useless.

[toxic vortex]

hardly used potions
Used these potions

[sleek wraith]

all those potions even then were meaningless with boosts we got. yes it helped but recall relic could easily replenish prayer,spec, etc and just go back to pvm. no potions whatsoever besides a super combat...if that....

granted recall isnt announced so far but that could change.

[toxic vortex]

It would be odd to have a league without it.

Only because it's been a thing since tbl1

[sleek wraith]

agree. we had recall relic for idk how long. its basically a staple now.

[ebon bear]

“If planning to max, abundance is the clear choice”
Am I stupid? What am I missing??? How is that choice clear??? That +10 seems like such a nothing burger if I’m getting 16x xp and a different option solves agility

[plain pasture]

because 10 lvls boost mean you can do higher tier methods quicker

there is more skills than agility

[sleek wraith]

yeah but closer to mid/end game the relic becomes worthless

i dont see how abundance is needed to max

[plain pasture]

the only tiem it becomes where its not best would be 92-95 in stats

when your literally at the end

[sleek wraith]

yeah its good gp but if you got thieving relic you can just spam click gem stalls

[plain pasture]

its not about gp lol

you dont realise how much time it will save you

[sleek wraith]

i still dont see how the +10 will help near there.

[plain pasture]

fyi i wont be picking it, as i wont waste my time maxing

but still doesnt change the fact its he best choice for maxing

[plain pasture]

if you cant see why having a perm boost of +10 in every non combat skill is gonna help u i dont think any amount of typing will help me teach you 😛

[sleek wraith]

i dont see how its beneficial near end. 100% its useful for first few hours of league but it will drop fast in terms of usefulness

[plain pasture]

skill reqs to complete actions scale

doing lvl 90 rooftop will give u far more xp than doing 80 rooftop.
and at 80 you can do 90 with abundance.
works on all non combat skills as compared to 3 skills with barb/endless

4* with barb

[sleek wraith]

you will still need to get those skills to 99 regardless with the +10. endless+hotfoot i can do 5 skills at once to 99 basically afk. with hotfoot you dont even need the smithing lvl or the cooking lvl to cook the stuff either

[plain pasture]

so u get 5 skills with endless

[sleek wraith]

so you can legit camp stars for first hour or so and get to 85 quick af

[plain pasture]

and like 20 with abundance

like i said, if u have to ask why i dont think it can be taught lol

its basic math

[sleek wraith]

and like i said. no doubt its usefull for first few hours but the relic usage will drop fast.

[plain pasture]

incorrect

it is the best pick for maxing

however, maxin in itself is pointless

so only pick if your maxing, otherwise flip a coin barb vs endless

[sleek wraith]

if you decide to change your mind and go abundance let me know how it goes. ill grab endless and go for maxing too lol

[plain pasture]

i wont be maxing

[sleek wraith]

i plan to because i need a 6th dragon trophy.

[plain pasture]

my condolences

[toxic vortex]

It would be nice to get dragon

[sleek wraith]

choose areas for quick points

[toxic vortex]

I stalled out at addy for RE

[sleek wraith]

prif and frem usually 2 areas with quick points

but they get boring quick

[toxic vortex]

Did rune for tbl2

Addy for tbl1 and srl

[plain pasture]

i make 3-4 accs per leagues and enjoy all builds and relics

[sleek wraith]

i plan to go to prif again for quick points to get to t8 as quick as possible

[plain pasture]

never once did i ever consider maxing

and would never

[sleek wraith]

thinking maybe kourend, prif and mory...

or kourend prif asg

idk yet

[toxic vortex]

Probably could if you didn't do a bunch of accounts

[plain pasture]

untill they make max cape worth getting (superior to all other capes in combat stats) i wont partake in the maxing craziness

comp cape stats or nfs

[sleek wraith]

thought comp cape stats were just cosmetic

been a hot minute since i played rs2-rs3

[plain pasture]

comp cape = combined bis capes

[sleek wraith]

oh

[plain pasture]

no switch needed

[sleek wraith]

im thinking completionist lolz

[plain pasture]

for the time it takes to get a max cape that should be a given

[toxic vortex]

Gonna send another inferno

[plain pasture]

its one of them things that gives players a false sense of accomplishment

[toxic vortex]

What, the current max cape?

[plain pasture]

yeh

'oh look i have a max cape'

[toxic vortex]

Uhh. Okay

[plain pasture]

when realistically it can be fully afk'd

never understood the fascination

[toxic vortex]

Okay. Doesn't mean it isn't an accomplishment

[plain pasture]

i mean an accomplishment is something others cannot do

[sleek wraith]

shit i think its a huge accomplishment as an ironman

[plain pasture]

everyone can get a max cape if they have the time

[sleek wraith]

then nothing in osrs is an accomplishment

by your definition

[toxic vortex]

Basically

[plain pasture]

the accomplishment of it is having 2000 hours available to waste on somethign boring

vs doing combat, pvm, pking that is fun

[toxic vortex]

Or, just maybe

[plain pasture]

dont say it

no1 finds skilling fun

[toxic vortex]

Maybe not everyone has the same likes that you do

[sleek wraith]

i mean i have untrimmed slayer as an ironman lol. i think that as an accomplishment

[plain pasture]

debatable

but moreso than max

[sleek wraith]

granted was it a waste of time? probably but it was a fun challenge

[toxic vortex]

Then why are you even playing the game?

[plain pasture]

because i enjoy leagues

i still wouldnt waste my time on it skilling unnecessery

skill for task completions to cap relics then combat till im done

dmm and leagues only thing worth playing now with osrs sadly

well, gridmaster was fun too

[sleek wraith]

i mean thats your opinion.

[plain pasture]

its shared by many, its just some try dragging it out.
either cant adapt to diff games or theyre addicted

each to their own

im hoping they make perm leagues worlds soon.
then the 10s of thousands that only play for leagues have somewhere to go

[toxic vortex]

They already shot that down when project zanaris got canned

[plain pasture]

sadly thats what happens when you have a staff made up of comic con cosplay clowns 🙁

bad business decisions

[toxic vortex]

Sure.

[plain pasture]

cant run companies on feelings 🙂

[sleek wraith]

dude is a rage baiter. im convinced

[plain pasture]

yhno ive noticed that those who acuse others of ragebait, tend to just disagree with them and instead of using a logical argument they call it ragebait.

same as why certain people want others cancelling, no sense just feelings

[sleek wraith]

naaaa its the always talking trash that is making me assume. like legit all you been is negative lol. like bro do you need to see chaps or something?

[plain pasture]

ive been positive, i have you factual information and you disagreed

[toxic vortex]

There's no logical argument that I could make here that is going to change the opinion of someone who thinks the game is run by comic con clowns

[plain pasture]

i tried to educate why your wrong and you still didnt understand

[toxic vortex]

You gave your opinion. There's a difference

[plain pasture]

so i gave up trying to help you make the right choice

its not an opinion that abundance relic is better for maxing overall then other 2

math isnt opinionated

[sleek wraith]

all you said was "if you cant see how its beneficial then i cant help you" legit all you said was that. never once explained why you think is good after beginning to medium lvls. i said it was good for beginning hours of league but will fall off in the end

you say im wrong but never explain

[plain pasture]

did you know that completign a higher tier skilling action gives more xp? or is that ragebaiting aswell

[sleek wraith]

did you know how fast it is to get to skill required to do higher tier stuff? how about did you know you need certain areas unlocked to do certain higher tier skilling activities

[plain pasture]

i explained clearly. having 10 lvls boost allows higher xp actions

[toxic vortex]

Only if that 10 level boost unlocks content that you actually have access to

[plain pasture]

it is a simple observation, it doesnt require a debate.
if you cant see it then condolences to you.

[toxic vortex]

Anyway @sleek wraith you decide on t1 or t2

[sleek wraith]

endless + hotfoot as it stands

reloaded depending on what other t7 relic goes against it

[plain pasture]

slayer + farming for reloaded. other 7th is grimoire

[sleek wraith]

kourend i can 99 rc and magic easily in a few hours

and farming

[plain pasture]

kourend is the natural pick for raid area, for any combat style focus

[sleek wraith]

ill prob wait to train farming until natures relic is unlocked

[plain pasture]

so youll want farming relic 'probably' for reloaded

[sleek wraith]

why do you assume ill use reloaded for natures accord?

[plain pasture]

as it stands with current releases its best option, which is why i said probably because some relics still to come

[sleek wraith]

eh you right maybe. larcenist is where ill probably go...maybe

unless i feel like doing kourend thieving activities

[toxic vortex]

Probably should wait until they confirm the clue effect with larcenist first

[plain pasture]

thieving is a no brainer chocie, anyone wh doesnt pick should be sectioned under insanity

thieving suites any build

gp/thievable supplies/QOL

[sleek wraith]

didnt they say we could plant any trees regardless of lvl?

i forgot what relic that is

[plain pasture]

with farm relic i believe

[toxic vortex]

Any plants

[sleek wraith]

natures?

[toxic vortex]

Not just trees

[plain pasture]

thing is, farming with 16x is gonna be free either way

relic or no relic

[sleek wraith]

i mean true. dont rly need farming

especially if you just do tithe to 99

[plain pasture]

and with minion farming herbs is easy af, so realistically farming relic is kinda obselete

without the auto grow it becomes a bottom tier pick

almost as bad as picking the flask for T8

[sleek wraith]

yeah not sure on 3,4,5 pick yet for tier

and 6

as it stands grimoire is probably where i will go

[toxic vortex]

I'm going to guess that specialist is against reloaded

[plain pasture]

no

reloaded is against grimoire

[toxic vortex]

I mean

It isnt

[sleek wraith]

reloaded is t7

grimoire is t6

[molten gust]

Grimoire is t6

[plain pasture]

wha

no way im blind. sec

[toxic vortex]

Guy is so adamant that other people are idiots for picks but he can't read the graphic

Okay

[sleek wraith]

watch recall be against reloaded

[plain pasture]

being blind and being an idiot are 2 diff things

but yeh grimoire vs slayer is clear choice so far, slayer

arguably grimoire if melee without kandarin... but otherwise yeh

[sleek wraith]

if recall is in t7 then welp...guess im going recall

unless i choose evil eye

...

[plain pasture]

t3 id imagine is tp's

[toxic vortex]

No

[plain pasture]

unless they spice it up and wanna mindfuck people

[sleek wraith]

t3 and t5 both have tp relics

[toxic vortex]

It'd be hella weird for there to be 4 teleport relics

I could see another teleport being added to like, t4

[sleek wraith]

they better not bring back jewelry teleport relic. shit was ass

[toxic vortex]

They were the walkers of twisted league

[sleek wraith]

lol yeh

[plain pasture]

jewelery relic was great, if you have no hands to hold a hammer and saw

[sleek wraith]

god i cant believe some people chose not to have unlimited stamina in league 1

that was a no brainer for me

[toxic vortex]

Id have to look at what it was up against

[plain pasture]

i didnt bother with leagues 1 sadly. id quit just before

[toxic vortex]

But yeah. That would have been a hard choice to pass on

[plain pasture]

didnt even know it was a thing. seen ironman and was like nope

[sleek wraith]

leauges 1 was by far most insane league. so goddam crowded everywhere. it was insane

loved every minute of it

[toxic vortex]

Oh. It wasn't just run energy

[plain pasture]

played all since, then back to not caring about osrs untill next one

[toxic vortex]

Hitpoints restored at 4x as well

[sleek wraith]

forgot about that effect

[toxic vortex]

There were also only 5 tiers

[plain pasture]

i almost deleted runelite when they didnt release leagues 6 and added gridmaster as consolation prize

but gridmaster was fun, so it redeemed them for a while

[sleek wraith]

whats inssane is people chose abyssal accumulator of endless endurance for t1 relic in twisted league

like wut

[slate hollow]

Any ideas if Barb's "Crystal Hands" will work on the Stone Guardians Puzzle room of CoX?

[sleek wraith]

good question

[plain pasture]

ngl them 2 relics like the name of a badly advertised sxc toy

im curious to know if barbarian will work in gauntlet tbh

depending how good this change to blessing is i might be going prif

[sleek wraith]

wont matter when you unlock echo hunleff

you skip all the prep work. it gives you food t3 armor and weapons

[plain pasture]

yeh but cg is amazing for d arrrows for the tbower

[sleek wraith]

just spam echo hunleff for resources. its a fun fight but doable

[plain pasture]

depends on combat masteries/pacts or w/e they naming them

[sleek wraith]

watch we have to sacrifices effects of relics for pacts

[slate hollow]

I just need to know t7 alt. Then everything is kinda fluid. Gotta know if I'm running reloaded or some broken alternative.

[sleek wraith]

yeh. at this point only way im not choosing reloaded is if recall is there with it

[plain pasture]

knowing jagex, theyll add a split decion to it

so its hard pick

bankers note im hoping for ngl

[sleek wraith]

or bankers note

yeh

[plain pasture]

recall/note might be t3 honestly

or a version of it

[sleek wraith]

note i can see as t3. which would be insane

[plain pasture]

i dont think it will be free though

some kind of charging mechanic

either gp/items etc

[sleek wraith]

issue is if we dont get recall or bankerrs note then ill have to grab the eye relic

to tp to bosses

[plain pasture]

leagues without bankers note will be a downgrade experience tbh

when ur so used to it

[slate hollow]

I'd rather they ditch some of those busted relics