all CAs, full torva, 300 kc, half of which were solos
#leagues-general
minor summit
Damn
Even though range was good in L5 I am disappointed I didn't go Melee. If Khopesh and the shield come back, I just may go Melee. Somethings tells me it won't though...
old tapir
i remember watching a guy run in with full bloodmoon on a hellhound and oneshotting it because the echoes just procced like crazy
that moment alone made me kinda wish i had gone melee
minor summit
Right? In Grid Master I got to use Khopesh and man was it awesome
Taking down Vardorvis in like 6 seconds.
old tapir
part of that was the 2 spec relics we had in gridmaster
smoky raft
I'm hopeful
minor summit
L4 was Magic, L5 Range. It seems like Jagex tends to push a combat specialty each League. Whether purposely or accidentally, it happens.
smoky raft
After running ranged in L4 and L5, and primarily using mage in GM, I'm excited to use melee for once
But even if they don't add khopesh, melee is still the only style with any specs worth using lmao
minor summit
I primarily used Range during GM bc of Tbow
True lol
What do you all think the secondary reveal will be? Another Echo Boss blue baller?
pulsar oriole
yeah pretty much haha
smoky raft
Tonalztics are worse than their melee counterparts and every other ranged spec is just weird tech that might be useful in 1 extremely specific situation
And that's coming from someone who actually uses the magic comp bow as a spec weapon sometimes
pulsar oriole
yeah probably
pulsar oriole
to bad toe nails from colo are just a spec weapon and are so niche
minor summit
What is SHCB? Sunlight Hunter Crossbow?
old tapir
full huey with sunlight does sound kinda cool
old tapir
you got antler guard too
smoky raft
it's a one handed MSB when using the lower tier ammo
higher tier ammo puts it even further up
minor summit
Lol I thought it was, but didn't wanna be that guy
On main game I am not that far at all, but are Antler Guards really good?
smoky raft
yep
pulsar oriole
arent they mid for pures
smoky raft
they're a hybrid offhand with decently high offensive stats and a good prayer bonus
They have negative defense though
old tapir
i was using mine constantly even on melee until dragon defender
still do where prayer bonus is good to have
60 points lasting 7 minutes goes crazy
molten gust
Wonder how long it will be to see our second reveal stuff. Since I think it wasn’t just a one day thing.
timber quest
i think its just twisted buckler
god books are just accuracy so meh
oh what bout the wildu shield
minor summit
Wonder how long it will be to see our second reveal stuff. Since I think it wasn...
No they said it'll happen every day. Should be maybe around 1pm EST
molten gust
Yeah the hopper requires sailing so thats a no go.
molten gust
No they said it'll happen every day. Should be maybe around 1pm EST
Sweet.
smoky raft
+5 prayer bonus
+2 ranged str (worse than odium ward)
+5 melee str (equal to rune def)
Accuracy bonuses in the 9-15 range (between adamant and rune def, just slightly lower than zaros and armadyl books)
smoky raft
Does range have any decent range str off hand?
Aquanite Hopper: +1 RanStr
Antler Guard: +2 RanStr
Odium Ward: +4 RanStr
Dragonfire Ward: +8 RanStr
Twisted Buckler: +10 RanStr
Every other Ranged offhand is limited to accuracy only. Book of law, leather shields, etc
minor summit
Okay, so not bad for range str, especially because anything higher than the Antler is harder to get as an Ironman. But, for a Melee offhand, easier to get the rune and dragon defender.
obsidian tiger
Any idea why they are not pinging the announcements anymore?
minor summit
Maybe they have stuff hidden up their sleeves, or they forgot
smoky raft
Yeah the melee bonuses only really shine when you either need prayer bonus or are using 1h weap switches but don't want to bring a shield switch
minor summit
What even is +5 prayer in terms of use? Is it that noticeable?
If I recall correctly, +30 prayer, essentially cuts the prayer drain in half, right?
smoky raft
yep
at 0 bonus, a protection overhead will last for about 5 minutes at 99 prayer
with 5, that's up about 45 seconds
minor summit
So 5 saves 45 seconds?
smoky raft
if you're just going from 99 prayer to 0, yes
minor summit
Gotcha
smoky raft
but you're probably bringing potions too
smoky raft
5 points of prayer bonus makes every dose of prayer restore last 20% longer
minor summit
Interesting. I wonder which Last Stand-type relic is happening this year
I hope they don't bring the siphon relic back, draining strikes or whatever.
atomic plinth
Man I absolutely love leagues and I hate to say this but the relics past the minion relic have got me feeling underwhelmed, dont know if its cause last years relics were too powerful and Jagex painted themselves into a corner but all the revealed relics just feel like downgrades and are kinda killing my hype
molten gust
They seem to be trying to balance the outliers more than before.
blissful fiber
so like
what exactly is the point of focusing so much on clues
its such a niche piece of content, i dont see the value of focusing so much on them in leagues
toxic vortex
There are usually a lot of points in clues
molten gust
They can have a good bit of points behind them. Plus yeah the items.
toxic vortex
Especially in this case, the guardian relic needs zammy items to upgrade it
molten gust
Its more as an option for those who like doing them. I did a bunch during leagues 4, got bloodhound and 3rd age pieces galore.
blissful fiber
cause like, im really allergic to clues to begin with
toxic vortex
I probably have less clues than you
smoky raft
its such a niche piece of content, i dont see the value of focusing so much on t...
Honestly given that clues have had multiple relics dedicated to them in previous leagues, I think they're focusing less on it than before, as the new relic combines the previous benefits of those multiple relics
It seems to be an "all in one" bundle this time
atomic plinth
Honestly the biggest nerf to the relic is the lack of item requirement removal, I can live with probably going dry on the contracts to do the steps but the item requirements for clues has always been annoying and the number 1 reason I discard clues
plain pasture
Clues is a decent one to do IF there is a use for the items.
Only realistic use is rangers for pegasians to upgrade treads.
Or rng msb/early rune set
wild dock
plain pasture
Devils element?
atomic plinth
Rip Kandarin lol
meager mango
boooooo 🍅
minor summit
Maybe it isn't booo
4 prongs = 4 elements. Maybe it further enhances the Devil's Element?
timber quest
quadent gotta be hella cracked for the slayer lvl req to even farm it teehee
minor summit
Devils element?
Alongside a new magic staff with 4 prongs instead of 3
I'd hope so, because the Element wasn't all that great in Leagues. It was good for GM because of how easy it was to obtain
atomic plinth
4 prongs = 4 elements. Maybe it further enhances the Devil's Element?
Ok but whos going to use elemental weakness stuff when you can get a shadow or eye of ayak? Considering the difficulty of echo bosses Id say not many especially when it requires unlocking Kandarin
static notch
3tick elemental spells, don't ask how I know that
atomic plinth
like the echo weapon is gonna have to be hella cracked just to compete because it requires picking Kandarin that only has 2 bosses that both require high slayer levels, if you like bossing youd probably want other regions that offer more bosses and as for skilling and resources there are other regions that do the same as Kandarin but better so the only people I see picking Kandarin are the ones that want easy points or the ones that reaaaaally reaaaaallly want access to the essence mine lol
plain pasture
Ok but whos going to use elemental weakness stuff when you can get a shadow or e...
If it is like twinflame where it automatically uses the weakness then this is good.
But using wiki for weakness everytime u go a different npc is not fun.
atomic plinth
If it is like twinflame where it automatically uses the weakness then this is go...
now if it applies elemental weakness to anything you attack even if it doesnt have one (like lets say 25 weakness on anything without one) that would make it very viable especially since it also removes the need to check the wiki
molten gust
Recrosses line through Kandarin for area picks
molten gust
Also just to point it out. The glow on red echo thermy looks like it says lol.
edgy lava
Anyone else think today's reveal is easily the weakest one
So far*
It would be really funny if we get a clue compass
plain pasture
now if it applies elemental weakness to anything you attack even if it doesnt ha...
Twinflame itself as a 2 tick weapon is very strong. So be interesting to see what's going on
edgy lava
Twinflame itself as a 2 tick weapon is very strong. So be interesting to see wha...
Psudo 1 tick
molten gust
Reminds me of using the bonkers during gridmaster.
opal hornet
Yes, i just hope i don’t make the wrong choice hahaha
foggy flare
Yes, i just hope i don’t make the wrong choice hahaha
ive never had any resentment on regions, now relics on the other hand, that's where you can see some resentment, but seems from whats been revealed so far it shouldn't be too bad
opal hornet
ive never had any resentment on regions, now relics on the other hand, that's wh...
Do we have any idea on what the relics are ?
molten gust
They have been showing a relic each day so far.
If you go to the leagues news chat in this discord. You can see about them.
manic prairie
I haven’t read anything, but I think the Thermo reward is a powered staff with elemental damage
Maybe not on its own, but with the second reward
The clue relic is technically worse than its older versions
But it’s like 95% efficiency
Idk why it even has contracts as a random drop
foggy flare
Do we have any idea on what the relics are ?
#leagues-news as linkofdoom said, typically been doing 1 per day, other than the first day where they did all the t1s at once
and you can see a bunch of the other league info if you want to read through as well
smoky raft
It would be weird to introduce a 3 or 4 tick magic weapon as an echo reward when 5 tick weapons have been best since L4
but then again they did introduce a Ranged weapon with the niche of "rolls accuracy twice, like the fang" in a league with guaranteed ranged hits
languid mauve
New relic today is awful lol also i hope they fix magic relic/mastery because its been awful for a few leagues now
manic prairie
It would be weird to introduce a 3 or 4 tick magic weapon as an echo reward when...
If combat masteries are in, shadow will be 3 tick and echo trident would most likely be 2 tick
Since it’s half rounded up
Unless they do the split again where above 5 ticks is rounded down
plain pasture
the sad thing about everything being 2 tick is that there is a clear meta for each style, with no real comparable weapons.
i dont want them nerfing in anyways, but would like other items to be comparable in dps in some way
smoky raft
I wasn't particularly fond of L3 but I do think they handled it pretty well- rather than reducing attack speed, you had a scaling chance to roll a second hit
while I don't particularly expect that to come back, I do think it's noteworthy that the icon for the "double tap" set effect (which gave ranged its 60% cahnce for a second hit) looks like this...
... and one of the relics visible in the reveal trailer looks like this
strange jungle
Anyone know where to watch the reveal trailers for the relics for leagues 6? Can't seem to find them
sleek wraith
Confirms most of the relics are being nerfed compared to past league. At this point I don’t believe we will get golden god back but instead will get a dumbed down version of it. Just like this clue relic
toxic vortex
Anyone know where to watch the reveal trailers for the relics for leagues 6? Can...
The videos are embedded on the web page with all the leagues info
Just in a different section
Towards the bottom there's a 'reveals and teasers' section
old tapir
i would personally have a lot less fun with leagues combat if all weapons weren't 2 ticks
eye and blowpipe being 1 tick is also fun
but i can also see how that makes 4 tick weapons kinda bad comapred to 5 tick weapons
i don't have a solution, but i also don't think its a problem that needs solving
toxic vortex
I have seen similar discussion in the leagues discord around 4t weapons
old tapir
my thinking is that the endpoint regardless is probably slaying everything with megarares
that's the case for main, that's the case in leagues, it would still be the case with some kind of 4 tick accomodation
i can't see how it wouldn't be
there is still room before that while you're progressing for different things to shine depending on what regions you have unlocked and whatnot
and 4 tick weapons have a place there even now, even during all the previous leagues
that says to me that no changes are needed
because any "fair" changes wouldn't really change anything for the better anyway
infact any changes might make things less fun
like if 5 tick weapons only got to 3 ticks with masteries, that would be much less fun
old tapir
on another note, i've been thinking that if one should choose to unlock asgarnia and kourend, construction becomes more annoying
as having only one of them gives you very fast construction contracts
assuming you don't go the bagged plant route of course
but funnily enough both sellers of that are also in those 2 regions
molten gust
Sure if doing maho homes.
sleek wraith
infact any changes might make things less fun
not if theybreought back 50m,100m,150,200m xp tasks like in first league. they took em out after that one. if they brought em back then people who just wanted to skill could go for that.
old tapir
not if theybreought back 50m,100m,150,200m xp tasks like in first league. they ...
what does that have to do with the attack speed of weapons
sleek wraith
what does that have to do with the attack speed of weapons
first sentence where you stated (endpoint regardless is probably slaying everything with megarares)
which it is but it wasnt always like that.
old tapir
i feel like it was implied i meant the endpoint of combat
sleek wraith
ahh gotcha.
smoky raft
as having only one of them gives you very fast construction contracts
iirc in the past you had to pick asgarnia to have contracts at all
you have to get your first one from Amy in Falador
old tapir
it was definitely changed for last league because there were people doing only varrock contracts
stark mist
Will wildy still be a pvp zone? or the pvp mechanics will be removed
old tapir
pvp is enabled, but there's really no point to doing it
because deaths count as pvm deaths and all your stuff is moved to a safe place
spark jackal
ppl just pk to rag/grief even tho they get nothing out of it
sleek wraith
Tbh if you decide to get the clue relic then chances are wildy and the boss teleport amulet may be the go to for fast clues
molten gust
Yeah if going wildy the clue relic might be nice. Through you’d have to have a clue on you to tp out.
opal hornet
<#1485634920528482414> as linkofdoom said, typically been doing 1 per day, other...
Oooo i’ll have a look, i’ve played gridmaster and RS3 leagues but never really got into an OSRS one, i an very ex ited though, i did play a leagues on an RSPS and i really enjoyed it
plain pasture
it was definitely changed for last league because there were people doing only v...
The main reason xp for combats were reduced from 99, 25m, 35m, 50m to 99, 50m was because of xp in soulwars I believe.
Which is now fixed, so hopefully these come back
plain pasture
Tbh if you decide to get the clue relic then chances are wildy and the boss tele...
I'd say spam beginer clues for the teleports with minimal areas unlocked.
Then you should stock up on teleports
plain pasture
pvp is enabled, but there's really no point to doing it
Main reason for pvp in leagues is removing someone from a spot/boss you wanna kill
sleek wraith
I'd say spam beginer clues for the teleports with minimal areas unlocked.
Then y...
yeah im just saying. the boss amulet lets you teleport out of wilderness regardless if you are past lvl 30. can be an easy way to move in and out of wildy. since it says it ignores wildy lvl restriction
idk if i wanna do clues this league tho lolz
tacit oyster
basically all the leagues teleport items have worked anywhere in wildy
keen isle
First time parcipating in a league and as well I haven’t been to that region of the map yet, what skills are yall gonna focus on or will you just go through the tasks to unlock other parts of the map?
stark mist
First time parcipating in a league and as well I haven’t been to that region of ...
theres many yt vids that can explain in dets for example yew jack or join the osrs league server from #affiliate-communities where they have more in depth discussion about leagues.
sleek wraith
basically all the leagues teleport items have worked anywhere in wildy
incorrect. yes they could teleport you too wilderness but this is the first one where it can teleport you out of the wilderness as well.
tacit oyster
all leagues 5 teleport relics ignored wilderness restrictions.
stark mist
because deaths count as pvm deaths and all your stuff is moved to a safe place
it also applies to wildy 30+? cz my untradables lost on pvm death at wildy 30+
tacit oyster
full prayer, hp and spec restore with 4 tick damage immunity 
blissful fiber
mmmmm
its gonna be super spammable with the right weapons
doubt there's gonna be something like corrupted shark
so i can see some value here
toxic vortex
Worth noting that is a t8 relic
blissful fiber
and its competing with the minion that auto loot and add a good chunk of dps
tacit oyster
explosions at 99 prayer are 1 dps on flask too (without cooldown reduction)
plain pasture
It's gonna be extremely difficult to beat minion in most builds
Unless we see return of kopesh, or a ranged zcb build the spec replenish isn't really worth the loss of minion
Minion itself is a huge dps increase when charged with zammy items
tacit oyster
yeah minion is like 6 dps after 5 zamorak fed to it + extra if multicombat from aoe
plain pasture
Averages at like 6.5 yh
Actually nuts dps tbh.
Then u have autobanking which makes ur pvm chilled and afk which is biggest QOL imo
No missing a drop afk, banking all supplies en masse
errant pebble
Cooldown reduction is minimal
Needs 3000 damage aka 50 enemies to receive 60 damage to get it to zero
Upgraded ambrosia
If my math is correct in 3 minutes minion will deal a minimum 300 damage (3 min damage x 100 attacks) that's is insane
lavish hare
someone was saying earlier around 6dps with max zammy items
errant pebble
3-20 min/max, on average 11.5 damage every 1.8s
I'm not sure how much defence reduce that number, but regardless it is huge dps
molten gust
Plus remember it can damage a aoe of creatures.
tacit oyster
im guessing last relic in tier 8 is nerfed specialist relic. So far its been buffed version of guardian (thrall) and nerfed version of last stand
errant pebble
Yeah it blow out of the water the brew relic
tacit oyster
or actually might even be able to do buffed specialist if there is no last recall or halved spec cost relic
smoky raft
specialist is the spec cost relic
in both L5 and GM, Specialist has reduced the cost of all specs to 20% in addition to offering a slieu of "more spec regen" effects
tacit oyster
yeah they could buff other parts of it while removing the lowered spec cost. the lowered spec cost + energy from missing spec was what made khopesh so op
smoky raft
the T7 equivalent in L4, Weapon Master, was a pretty good balance imo
didn't reduce spec costs, but tripled the natural spec regen rate and guaranteed hits for a minimum of 20% max
also allowed specs to be used at a cost of 25 HP if they didn't have enough spec energy
minor summit
Has anyone talked about the Corrupted Shark or Bottomless Brew yet?
Anybody think it'll be a relic option or Echo Boss drop, or just not coming back?
smoky raft
the icon for corrupted shark was visible on the reveal stream but we don't know that everything there will be available
40 icons are shown in total on the table. Only 23 exist as relics, but all relics revealed so far have been on the table
it's possible some of the icons on the table depict echo items or combat masteries
minor summit
It would be interesting if they did drop relic effects from monsters. Kind of how in Shattered Relics, fragments dropped from xp drops and boss drops. Because bottomless brew, golden god, dodgy deals, etc. All those type of relics didn't require an item, just gave you passives.
minor summit
Echo Hespori has a new drop
smoky raft
rip trumpet
errant pebble
Second reveal today?
minor summit
X
tacit oyster
100% accurate leagues gear, full melee gear + bow 
fair spruce
Has Jagex responded to is the Isle of Souls (soul wars) will be a neutral zone available to everyone like Zanyrus or the Abyss?
smoky raft
the fact that it is specifically referred to as a short bow (traditionally 3 tick weapons) just reinforces the idea that they may be doing away with halved attack speeds
atomic plinth
Pretty sure isle of souls was stated unavailable
These reveales after Minion are slowly killing my enthusiasm for this league
old tapir
full prayer, hp and spec restore with 4 tick damage immunity <:ancestralhmm:1017...
definitely a lot less exciting to me than last stand, but decent i guess
minor summit
Minion was never going to be my first option. Never cared for the thrall relics...but, it's looking more likely so far
minor summit
the fact that it is specifically referred to as a short bow (traditionally 3 tic...
I hope not, I mean it was included in the Combat Masteries, and I think they said something about Combat Masteries being tweaked this year. Idk maybe I am making that up
old tapir
the fact that it is specifically referred to as a short bow (traditionally 3 tic...
i personally wouldn't connect the two like that
there's also the question of what the masteries could possibly have to boost power to historical leagues levels if not halved attack speed
because i don't think they have any intentions of making this the weakest league like that
minor summit
I sure hope not. So far the later relics are a little "meh" I am, so far only hooked until T3
plain pasture
Minion was never going to be my first option. Never cared for the thrall relics....
this last relic choice for t8 has to be very op for it to even come close to the minion.
this flask thing is horrid imo, outside of kopesh builds it has next to no use.
and thats assuming we have a return of kopesh
it should have been a combination of bottomless potions from gridmaster and specialist.
with no cooldown on pots, but 30 sec on specs or along those lines.
its like a combo of both, but not as good as either sadly.
plain pasture
i personally wouldn't connect the two like that
there's also the question of wha...
could do something along lines of +1 speed for all weapons.
and maybe one of;
% chance at double hit
% chance at healing hp/pray
% chance to insta kill
old tapir
i wouldn't like stuff that's a chance to happen
plain pasture
yeh likewise
but at least that would put it on par
could even do double hit chance guaranteed, and would still be equal to previous dps
old tapir
and if we're doing +1 speed then everybody's just using blowpipe
plain pasture
thats if they go range, and choose prif however
but yeh, somethign needs to be done for sure.
theyve not released any info on these pacts as of yet
another point is if we dont see a return of the moanrch amulet and emperor ring in same echo or something similar, were gonna see a huge dip in dps output of weapons
as other bis alternatives are locked behind multiple areas.
latent magnet
whats the closest bank tele with evil eye 🤔
i dont think chasm of fire chain is two way so djr doesnt work
fally west w/ giant mole?
oh wait fight caves lol
errant pebble
oh wait fight caves lol
Raids too
errant pebble
Depends what other tele relics
latent magnet
like clue compass
it would be a genuine toss up
oh wait
conniving clues replaces clue compass
https://old.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/1ocdyvu/phreaky_muspah_trapped_in_eternal_backshots_loop/ i hope this doesnt get patched
Reddit
backshots% is so funny
sleek wraith
so they are nerfing all relics it seems this league.
newest relic announced is legit last stand but nerfed
latent magnet
it reminds me of the elden ring flask
sleek wraith
i dont think chasm of fire chain is two way so djr doesnt work
if you got fally unlocked then crafting guild with recall relic if they decide to bring that back
and now that its 2.4 immunity???? bro im 100% choosing minion unless the third relic in that tear just shits on the other 2
tacit oyster
so they are nerfing all relics it seems this league.
not all, last stand was indeed too op even without the "infinite" boost bug
sleek wraith
tier*
tacit oyster
thrall relic got buffed a lot compared to before
1 tick faster now and also higher max hit after it consumed zamorak pieces
sleek wraith
the buff is 2 per piece of zammy item (max of 5 items) that shit is legit more op than the flask
if its min is 3 and max is 10 by default we are looking at 20dps max hits for minion
tacit oyster
flask is panic heal + 100% spec energy with 1 dps explosion at 99 prayer (slightly higher with cooldown reduction). also 2.4 immunity to all damage. so they are pretty much balanced compared to each other
thrall is 6-6.5 dps after 5 stacks and auto looting (noted possible)
sleek wraith
mmm maybe that 2.4 seconds is good....decision decisions....depends on how its used but yeah. i can now see it would be good in places like tob
just wish i didnt have to click the flask
tacit oyster
yeah it is significant nerf compared to last stand, still has uses and in best case dps wise about half of what thrall provides
depends a lot on spec weapons and combat relics/masteries
sleek wraith
yeah. it will be a tough choice. trying to figure out which relic i can get the most out of since it is a tier 8. biggest key is the minion can work anywhere besides yama and no cooldown for minion
think we are getting masteries?
tacit oyster
masteries are replaced with the demonic pacts i think but should be similar effects
sleek wraith
convinced combat relics will be t5
maybe that is why they are nerfing the relics this league. cause of the demonic pacts
i didnt think about them adding back in masteries or demonic pacts
tacit oyster
actually thinking again the cooldown reduction on flask does seem pretty good assuming it can reduce more than 0.6sec per hit (for every 10 damage you deal in a single hit). you could easily reduce cooldown from 180 sec to 120sec even with main game gear and dps
sleek wraith
they are also bringing back echo hespori -.-
last league it was a zone killer because of how bad the echo item was. wonder what is changed now besides it being a bow
tacit oyster
with new weapon at least
tacit oyster
im guessing the amoxliatl echo weapons are all 3 melee styles (stab, slash, crush) double hitting weapon. echo hespori weapon should be granting some sort of healing and prayer regen, no info on exactly what
sleek wraith
yeh true....but if i plan on going with prif there isnt much of a reason to go kourend for an item i will probably not use
unless a new echo boss item is dropped from prif instead of the old one
candid mango
Only time I could see getting a lot of use out of Flask is at stuff like Nylocos to clear them out. Otherwise its just, uh oh Ambrosia.
molten gust
last league it was a zone killer because of how bad the echo item was. wonder wh...
Sure the relic wasn’t strong but it was nice to have for early raiding stuff. Bow could be interesting here.
manic prairie
on the flask
its a max of 5 second rediction per enemy hit
and most areas in the game dont have more than 7 melee range enemies
so 2:30 cooldown at best?
i mean i guess its strong but doesnt sound good
sleek wraith
Yeah it’s definitely lacking as a t8 relic.
toxic vortex
I hope we get the full combat relic tier tomorrow
manic prairie
i hope the combat stuff is separate
all the relics past tier 1 feel weak
and having a whole tier lost to combat would just hurt
i feel like they are trying to keep people from going crazy at the super high tier
but also keeping every other person down
toxic vortex
and having a whole tier lost to combat would just hurt
how it used to be
sleek wraith
they trying to make league last the whole 2 months instead of the 2 weeks in last league
since everyone was done with leagues in about 2 weeks last one
languid mauve
they trying to make league last the whole 2 months instead of the 2 weeks in las...
I always played until very end but i also dont imagine other people play 8-12 accounts trying different combos lol
minor summit
What if the Hespori bow always hit 10's and had synergy with Flask of Fervour? Doubtful lol
static notch
so 2:30 cooldown at best?
flask damage doesn't reduce its own cooldown
sly siren
Is there any thread where we have answers to the FAQ questions? Is that going to be answered at some point?
molten gust
We got some answers at the bottom of the blog where they have been putting the relics. But I am unsure if they have been updated much.
pseudo gulch
Added an area picker to my countdown site for more build planning
toxic vortex
Is there any thread where we have answers to the FAQ questions? Is that going to...
I wouldn't expect any of the jmods involved in leagues stuff to come here and answer
They will sometimes answer questions in the leagues discord, but thats about it
Mostly husky does
minor summit
Can I get some clarification to make sure my math is correct with Flask of Fervour; There are 300ticks in 3 minutes, right? If so, does that mean if you want to rely on strictly damage to reduce the base cooldown, you need to deal a total of 3,000 damage?
smoky raft
at least 3,000 damage
but time passes as you're dealing that damage
so you don't actually need to do nearly that much
minor summit
Right, and dps wouldn't stack that high realistically right? What I mean is....is it practically impossible to deal 16.66... dps?
The more I look at it, the relic doesn't seem too bad.....
versed stump
I read it the same way, if you hit a 3000 you would clear the cooldown instantly. In gridmaster it was closer to 30dps so by the time you’re at tier 8 you’d probably be getting good dps + the seconds count down consistently anyway
minor summit
I am a moron...I completely didn't even think about the fact Leagues give us enhanced DPS lol
smoky raft
new league idea: combat masteries that make you weaker with no upside
vestal shuttle
Added an area picker to my countdown site for more build planning
yo where can I find this? a build planner sounds dope
pseudo gulch
yo where can I find this? a build planner sounds dope
Yeah, what he said
Mine is more of a basic build planner though, there are much better build planner tools out there
vestal shuttle
Thanks!
minor summit
new league idea: combat masteries that make you weaker with no upside
We start OP and at Max Tier and have to tier down and become potatoes. The Potato League.
cinder remnant
It’s a new day and a new relic
molten gust
Still got a few hours before we see it. Hopefully see something interesting.
warm topaz
Its usually ~17:00-18:00
full lodge
It'll be at <t:1774882800:t> due to DST starting in the UK
warm topaz
yea iirc i'd work till 17:00 mostly, sometimes when I leave I quickly check , sometimes its not there, yet when I am home - it is.
vapid silo
pretty big for clue relic
and I think I may likely settle on endless harvest, it just sounds so nice and comfy
full lodge
Clue relic change makes it a pretty solid choice depending on what it's up against
Also, the fact that the aoe doesn't have to hit SW tile is pretty big
Means you can use it on like Zebac and other stuff just out of range
Also interesting that the engine can handle that kind of thing now
cinder remnant
But we still do Sherlock?
full lodge
Seems like it, but it should only give you tasks you can do in your region
toxic vortex
There are always bugged tasks
timber quest
We just forgot to write it on the description 🧘
timber quest
I think they just forgot to announce the relic for today lmao
Skipping lvl reqs is good, I hope it'll also bypass the 65 lvl req to get into hespori, but I guess it's no bd if not
vapid silo
looks like there may not be a "teleport relic" tier 🤔
timber quest
I'm dubious but I think more excited to see the full board and how they've smashed previous relics together tbh
thin mauve
It’s an hour before the others have been announced
UK switched to daylight saving time this weekend
timber quest
unless the other 2 in the tier are very mid
I'm kinda ready for the other 2 to be mid xD
manic prairie
I would skip the boss relic for the farming relic
timber quest
I mean to uhhh make theory crafting more interstsing
manic prairie
Having teleports split like this is kinda strange
toxic vortex
I like it
vapid silo
you can go all in on teleports or none, its interesting
manic prairie
Or maybe all relics in this tier have a minor teleport?
timber quest
It's gonna be like gridmaster where we get 5 inventory slots free xD
toxic vortex
I wouldnt call the mushroom a minor teleport
manic prairie
Maybe they consider it minor since it’s not on its own relic
amber gyro
interesting if this means no dedicated tier for teleports, farming part of the relic is pretty boring
manic prairie
Also feels like no instant farming relic
timber quest
What could rival it
Imagine if its bankers note with briefcase xD
vapid silo
it's a whole teleport relic from before PLUS you get farming benefits, I guess it's not bad, but I seldom think farming needs relic for solving
manic prairie
So I guess this league is about nerfing every relic
Instant farming was nice for herblore
vapid silo
think of it as buffed fairy's flight instead of nerfed farming relic
toxic vortex
"Farming ticks will occur every minute instead of every five minutes" is a listed t1 passive effect
so it will still be faster overall
manic prairie
Could just sit at a patch and grind out 500 herb seeds
molten gust
Probably would be a good pick depending on the other relics in tier.
manic prairie
5x faster isn’t as fast as the farming relic was
timber quest
Limpwurts are gonna grow in 1m and give you like 40 haha
Super str pots to 99 herb I guess
manic prairie
I guess farming guild being there is good
toxic vortex
vapid silo
40 on low rolls
manic prairie
Almost every patch will be available
Idk if farming guild is missing any
Mushroom?
timber quest
I really hope the relic let's a mfer bypass the lvl reqs for farming guild areas
amber gyro
can't die means free lazy 99 if this relic + kourend
manic prairie
I guess some of the unique patches only
amber gyro
or even 50m
fickle pine
at tier 6, you will already have access to an exp multipier of 12x, on top of that farming patches also include trees, so you will note logs at a high rate no?
old tapir
so there has to be some special yama fight you can access regardless of region right
fickle pine
so 120x xp for logs?
old tapir
why have all these conditionals on relics for yama if they only apply if you pick kourend
that seems odd
manic prairie
why have all these conditionals on relics for yama if they only apply if you pic...
I assume it’s mostly flavor text since the theme of the league is Yama being in charge
toxic vortex
Because all off the t8 relics so far say something like "effect doesn't apply to yama"
old tapir
minions dont target yama, flask doesn't damage yama, yama this, yama that
toxic vortex
But also the starting area for Yama being an instance from Varlamore and not Kourend
manic prairie
Probably all relics with damage ignore yama
toxic vortex
It would be weird for this whole yama-themed league if there were a bunch of people who couldn't fight yama
manic prairie
If I threw a party I wouldn’t let people fight me
old tapir
i think you'll see kourend being picked very disproportionally regardless
i'm definitely picking it
toxic vortex
Its a good region regardless
timber quest
It was my first area last year, super solid
manic prairie
Might kourend if hespori is a good weapon
timber quest
Which makes me want to not go back again
smoky raft
It would be weird for this whole yama-themed league if there were a bunch of peo...
to be fair the theme is not "fighting yama"
manic prairie
I have tried to force melee in leagues but it always sucked for me
Especially since bandos hates me
timber quest
Khopesh, specialist and recall was soooo much fun last year
molten gust
Kourend still has yama at least. Some people were guessing that there might be a “full release” yama fight. Since both base and contract Yama says about his power being limited.
fickle pine
This new perk really synergizes with Woodsman and Barbarian Gathering.
timber quest
So many seeeds
manic prairie
Does barbarian give seeds?
timber quest
Woodsman does
But I just remembered the str/agil xp is only from wc/fish/farm right?
fickle pine
trees are farming patches > str and agi 10% at 10x resources, means that we get so much xp for planting trees
from the resources gathered.
smoky raft
you assume planted trees will give x10 logs
they should
but that doesn't mean they Will
fickle pine
they are farming patches
fickle pine
lol
12x xp for logs, then 10x logs, so essentially 120x xp for collecting a tree from a farm patch
toxic vortex
Does barbarian give seeds?
just woodsman
timber quest
Something tells me, with no good reason tbh, that it won't work like that
molten gust
If you got endless harvest. Does that mean you cannot get tree roots? Lol.
timber quest
Hopefully it does tho, it does sound good
old tapir
what about farming ticks that are longer than 5 minutes?
or is it that all ticks are 5 minutes and growth times are just reduced to a fifth
timber quest
I think the latter
timber quest
5x speed for everytbing
Herbs should be 20 mins i guess
Is it 5 stages of 20 minutes?
old tapir
4
molten gust
It’s technically 5. Planted is stage one though so you only get 4 more things of growth.
smoky raft
If you got endless harvest. Does that mean you cannot get tree roots? Lol.
I don't believe endless harvest actually stops nodes from "running out", it just lets you continue gathering after they have done so
toxic vortex
That was confirmed
If you are alone harvesting a tree/rock, that tree or rock will not run out
smoky raft
hm
toxic vortex
If it does run out because someone else is harvesting, you will keep going
smoky raft
shit then, maybe no tree roots
timber quest
Oh I guess you let it deplete, cancel the action, clear the stump
fickle pine
my question, will the autoburn for logs from woodsman, have priority over noting from natures accord?
toxic vortex
my question, will the autoburn for logs from woodsman, have priority over noting...
you'll probably have to toggle off the burn
in woodsman
smoky raft
everyone will have access to vale totems though so it's not like anybody will be completely barred from any tree roots
molten gust
Oh right vale totems gives them i forgot
full lodge
Because bark gets consumed by felling axe I assume it counts as a resource and not a minigame reward
fickle pine
I believe they would, it is technically the unit that the shop uses, therefore most likely can be considered the point system in Forestry
thin fiber
oh wow are they gonna combine tele relics with skilling relics now
for t5
interesting move making nature's accord, let's see how it plays out
full lodge
According to Husky just now, adding FF to this was a last minute decision
So don't expect all T5s to have teles
fickle pine
I think that it is wise to split the tele, it makes the perk more personalized to skills that it benefits
full lodge
It felt a bit weak without FF apparently
thin fiber
It felt a bit weak without FF apparently
definitely is, they nerfed farmer's fortune
toxic vortex
According to Husky just now, adding FF to this was a last minute decision
I think just the farming aspect of the relic would have been a bad t5
especially without insta-growth
old tapir
at this point i'm hoping for reloaded and a forager spinoff
errant pebble
Oh yeah, now it makes worth to take evil eye tele, even if there's a better tele against it. If you plan on this relic
raw dirge
Is it possible to link your account and be able to play the main account + leauges with the same account?
fickle pine
Ah, so as long as your account is members, then that account starts at base level/ as an ironman -> leagues is like a reset of a main account on said account
errant pebble
I don't think you can play both at the same time, since it's just a world you hop on to on your main account
raw dirge
Yeah okay, so I need a separate account with a separate membership?
errant pebble
Yep
thin fiber
Is it possible to link your account and be able to play the main account + leaug...
not at the same time, you have to hop worlds
fickle pine
Yeah okay, so I need a separate account with a separate membership?
if you do that, the point accrued are on the new account
raw dirge
Ouch
thin fiber
$15 btw
errant pebble
I mean he can just trade it after
raw dirge
True that
fickle pine
essentially, leagues is a world. your membership main account travels to that world. so that account cannot be in 2 places at once
errant pebble
56 days total, so you need 2 month membership
raw dirge
Oh well, gotta create that ironman anyways…
toxic vortex
its the same issue with osrs+rs3 at the same time
raw dirge
Wish you could have 1 membership subscription that worked for all jagex accounts
toxic vortex
that would be exceedingly expensive
raw dirge
Indeed
old tapir
rs3 league let you nominate another account to receive your points, so you could play the league on your alt and have your main get the points, letting you play both on two separate accounts
perhaps osrs will take that tech and use it aswell
toxic vortex
its possible, still requires two memberships
old tapir
yeah
having any two game instances open at the cost of one membership aint happening, even if all the tech got sorted out it would create really unhealthy gameplay practices
where you're expected to be playing on both just to be efficient
errant pebble
You just can't be THAT efficient
old tapir
like i can imagine bonds doubling in price easily because now everybody has a pocket bot to afk money on either game that doesn't come at the cost of the main's time
not actually a bot, but effectively it is
like i'd just park the rs3 version of myself at primal ores and get 5mil gp/h, do that for 60-80 hours a week, that alone could finance my osrs playing even if rs3 bonds went to 400mil
which is like 5x their current price
and if people CAN do that, they WILL do that
wait, bonds last 2 weeks, make that 800mil
meager mango
rs3 league let you nominate another account to receive your points, so you could...
wish they would let us do that in osrs
meager mango
I wanna afk salvaging but I wanna play leagues even more
errant pebble
Fremy is back
toxic vortex
quite possibly
old tapir
if its a copy paste of battlehelm from gridmaster, that's a very powerful incentive to pick
toxic vortex
i doubt it. didnt battlehelm also have slayer?
meager mango
oh is the echo boss revealed
toxic vortex
Yes
old tapir
i doubt it. didnt battlehelm also have slayer?
sure did, but i don't see why this wouldn't
toxic vortex
Because slayer helm effect is tied to the relic specifically
it would be weird to have it available two ways
old tapir
well no, slayer helm effect is tied to the slayer helm
it seems fine to have either a different region option or relic option to grant the effect
meager mango
by the way can you afk at blast furnace pedal on leagues
was wondering since the dwarves are operating the machine
meager mango
[[battle helm]]
meager mango
I guess this means no emperor ring/necklace?
toxic vortex
It did have the slayer helm effect
old tapir
it feels like a cool homage to the emperor stuff yeah
toxic vortex
again, i feel like itd be weird to have the slayer relic giving helm buff AND battlehat also giving slayer effect
meager mango
looks a bit different
toxic vortex
I mean yeah, but its probably based off of the battlehat from grid
fickle pine
It is clearly is an all fremmenik helm, so it probably is like an amulet of the monarchs/emperor ring for the head.
tropic mantle
it should have more horns
blissful fiber
No instant growing?
Uh
Doesn't really seem worth taking
I was looking forward to combine a farming relic with woodsman but eeeeeeh
atomic plinth
so is Amox gonna be the only new echo boss? lol we running out of locations mate unless we getting 2 per region
atomic plinth
I mean Desert is gonna be KQ, theres really not many options there because I doubt we are getting echo Tempoross lol, so we really only have 4 chances to get new echos
atomic plinth
I feel doubtful we would get an echo raid boss, Tirannwn is a 50/50 since the only real options are Hunllef or Zulrah, Mori has at least a few options for something new like Arraxor, Nightmare and Barrows
I feel like when they said new Echo bosses people would expect that meant minimal repeat echos
wait I just noticed... the new relic doesnt auto grow crops anymore?
old tapir
Desert is definitely limited
the echo leviathan in question
plain pasture
fremenik echo helmet....so we losing our monarch amulet and emperor ring >.<
atomic plinth
oof that was quite literally the most important part of the relic
timber quest
I mean Desert is gonna be KQ, theres really not many options there because I dou...
levi is in the desert
echo levi go brr? xd
timber quest
gimmie the lamps and no one gets hurt
echo giants foundry when
i had a crazy idea about the t7 relics
grimoire vs ruinous powers
molten root
Not gonna lie relic feel a bit week for a temp game mode
plain pasture
grimoire vs ruinous powers
im really hoping not
old tapir
i didn't even think about piety
that's kinda big to lose out on if you're going melee without kandarin
hmmmm
toxic vortex
It was mostly fine last league because of the bugged slayer relic
old tapir
i did pick grim last league also so it was a non issue, but if its either not there or against something better, it could be an extra wrinkle to think about
plain pasture
that's kinda big to lose out on if you're going melee without kandarin
im pretty sure it was changed in last one so u autocomplete the quest if it requires more than 1 area
when u unlock one of those areas
for example a quest requires kandarin/asgarnia, and you unlock asgarnia youd autocomplete that quest
old tapir
knight training grounds isn't a quest per se
you need kandarin for piety
and only kandarin
gilded totem
I'm not the only one who thinks these relics are... lackluster?
minor summit
Wasn't there a league you needed Kandarin and Asgarnia for Piety?
minor summit
I'm not the only one who thinks these relics are... lackluster?
Eh, they are okay. Nothing spectacular. Even the "new" ones are okay
old tapir
I'm not the only one who thinks these relics are... lackluster?
you are indeed not
woodsman is the only one that has really excited me
gilded totem
Endless harvest is pretty good too. I like it
minor summit
Barbarian Gathering and Woodsman are neat
old tapir
im not really decided on which t1 to pick yet
gilded totem
I rolled a random sequence 1-3 for each tier. I don't think it was a good idea
minor summit
Especially for right now lol
There's still a whole tier unaccounted for. I hope we find out one of T7 soon
gilded totem
I did randomly lock in Morytania, Desert, and Asgarnia.
old tapir
this knapsack thing, you can destroy what's in it, but can you also run to the bank and deposit what's in it?
minor summit
I think so
molten gust
I'm not the only one who thinks these relics are... lackluster?
Yeah I was feeling the same. Sure we haven’t seen what they do, but just kinda feeling meh so far.
minor summit
You can't get resources out of it without bank I am pretty sure
gilded totem
this knapsack thing, you can destroy what's in it, but can you also run to the b...
Looting Bag?
old tapir
Looting Bag?
no, knapsack from barb gather
gilded totem
ah
molten gust
They said you could destroy things in the barb napsack. But yeah have to bank to empty it.
minor summit
Essentially an everywhere looting bag that holds 5 full inventories
gilded totem
They said you could destroy things in the barb napsack. But yeah have to bank to...
Sounds like a big looting bag lol
old tapir
but only for gathering resources
gilded totem
Barb arian gathering will be good for high level collecting, Endless is obviously best if you're going to afk
minor summit
The destroy option is essentially Endless Harvest without it being endless and more click intensive. As long as you are just power leveling and the resources don't matter to you.
gilded totem
And you can't get trolled by other people taking your ore or trees
old tapir
we out here fishing thousands of anglers
is there a place where one can listen to all the banging rock remixes they've been using for the relic reveal videos
old tapir
The destroy option is essentially Endless Harvest without it being endless and m...
endless harvest feels like its probably better, but its also a bit dependent on tool access
and you have to do more agility
take your fletching supplies to brimhaven lol
sleek wraith
do you think the farming relic will stack at tithe?
old tapir
you'll probably get 10x harvest with it yeah
sleek wraith
chances are that will be best shot to get an easy 99 skill then
old tapir
but as far as i remember tithe isn't affected by the 5x growth rate
sleek wraith
its not but not worried about that haha
old tapir
it was affected by instant growing of the other farming relic though
sleek wraith
more you pick the more points/xp you get
old tapir
yeah but its still gonna be good without the relic
sleek wraith
yeh true
sleek wraith
natures accord is probably the best sounding relic besides T1 relics
all the others have been meh
mmmm herblore....
maybe they will bring back the pocket kingdom?
or maybe combine pocket kingdom with some other kind of teleport option? idk
i also have the feeling they are trying to push people to pick wilderness lol. since the teleport relics are ignorning wildy restrictions
plain pasture
i think endless harvest is probably the bis pick
sleek wraith
at this point that is what im thinking too
plain pasture
it gives you 25 mins of pure afk at any of the skilling spots.
banks everything
gives you 2x of every resource gathered.
this is far more usefull than any of the others in T1 tbh
the others are good by no means, but not comparable in usability
sleek wraith
i think the gp one is a good second
because amount of skills that will need gp i believe
plain pasture
if the gp was higher then id agree with you
but 2x the xp is relatively nothing
99 is 13.1m xp, thats 26m for hours of work
vs afk 25 mins on rune ores
sleek wraith
26m a good chunk tho
plain pasture
with endless
sleek wraith
ahhh true. forgot about rune ore method
will blast furnace be available if we choose frem?
plain pasture
with endless you could effectively afk gemstone/rune ores
gems can be sold to stores, or made into jewelery for a big profit
rune obv, make into items alch/sell
sleek wraith
nvm..i get the feeling one of the relics is pre-make bars
plain pasture
if we get a production master style relic you can also make gems into tips and sell en masse to alch stores
for a huge profit
plus the very basic thing.... afk is always more important than intensive clicking for skilling 😛
sleek wraith
not sure if ill choose nature one. i gotta see other 2 for that tier
it would solve 99 herb problem
plain pasture
id take 25 mins fully afk skilling vs intensive clicking with barb anyday anytime
click rune rock, go eat/shower come back to free gp
vs barb clicking every single rock and running to and from bank with knapsack
sleek wraith
yeh you right. easily the best i think
plain pasture
also theres the combo of fishing + clue relic if people go with it
you can afk fish with 10x more clue scrolls 25 mins at a time
basically unlimited clues
a lot of clue rewards alch for decent prices
hard/elite are average 100k-300k raw gp per open with clue relic
(selling alchables)
sleek wraith
and if yo uget slayer relic its 1-3 elite clues per superior kill
plain pasture
yeh
sleek wraith
i may choose kourend this league for clues as first area
plain pasture
gp is always easy to make in leagues
imo relic focus should be for QOL
so what increases ur dps, helps afk, helps obtain supplies
sleek wraith
yeh i get the feeling relics will be for resources and such
then we will be getting combat masteries for combat boosts
plain pasture
from my experience in all previous leagues, the biggest issue i always ran into was supplies
so stockign up on pots for example
cos when ur raiding your gonna be flying through pots like crazy
gp is always a non issue, theres many method for obtaining big amounts of it
so by that id say abundance is a non pick personally. not even considered its too nerfed to what it should be
for T2, i dont like woodsman personally.
fletching has always been free and so is firemaking with wt.
hunter is nice but barely required for anything. unless ur aim is maxing hunter isnt really needed past 75ish for potential black chin tasks
so im hoping we have a herblore option in T2
currently for T8 the only realistic option is minion.
wayy too op not to pick.
flask is heavily nerfed to what it should be
if the flask gave you say ovl stats, and decreased special attack cost then it would be comparable.
but its like 2 relics combined but nerfed
again for chilled gameplay, minion gives you autobanking all ur loot so u can afk and chill.
and also the dps with it is pretty insane
when upgraded
sleek wraith
depends on method to train. in prif the best way to train 4 skills all require high amounts of gp. farming crystal trees, making crystal armor gives crafting and smithing xp, construction....altogether require billions of gp
thats if you go with prif
toxic vortex
@sleek wraith @plain pasture
sleek wraith
mmmm ok...that would solve both farming and herblore if i go with natures accord
if i choose kourend ill have crafting pretty much set. only if i get an area with sand...like desert
plain pasture
depends on method to train. in prif the best way to train 4 skills all require h...
yeh crystal singing is always good xp, but doesnt cost money as you have to obtain the items yourself rather than buy
sleek wraith
unless shops are unlimited supply
plain pasture
construction is extremely fast in leagues and not overly expensive
sleek wraith
yeh crystal singing is always good xp, but doesnt cost money as you have to obta...
its more so to get all the shards for it
buy crystal weapon seeds and sell em for shards
plain pasture
yeh so your either gonna be thieving with relic for seeds > turning them in at the pub
or with farmign relic on crystal trees youll be getting 10x yield
plain pasture
also, with endless harvest you can afk inside prif. and it gives crystal shards
from all skilling activities
plain pasture
main source of crystal shards was always thievign elves for enhanced teleport seeds
sleek wraith
i thought it was just wcing, mining, and fishing
plain pasture
prif skilling gives crystal shards, so pair with endless harvest and your gonna stack up
plain pasture
i get what u mean about the weapons thing though weapon seeds
sleek wraith
possibly mory as last choice
plain pasture
but thats borderline not worth doing
even with unlimited gp
cos u still have to get 80 smith/craft to start, and at that points ur almost at the stats u need to not train them again
80 glory, 90 fury, 95 final zenyte item. (if you picked kandarin)
sleek wraith
yehhhhh no way im choosing kandarin ever again lol
plain pasture
kandarin is mandatory tbh for mage
moreso if this new magic weapon is op
range your gonna want kourend > asgarnia > prif/desert
or kourend > frem > desert
either go void route, or go masori battle helmet route
kourend for hespori bow + rigour
mage/melee all depends on what else is released
plain pasture
for mage kandarin gives the best upgrades/gear
warped sceptre > trident > tormented bracelet > occult necklace
then u have thermy with devils element and new mage wepons
tacit oyster
Doom should skip tormented bracelet. So really only occult
sleek wraith
doom gives eye tho
plain pasture
doom is already unlocked as its varla
plain pasture
occult/tormented bracelet/devils element
tacit oyster
Occult + whatever echo item is what you get from kandarin
strong night
echo dagganoths in frem prob end up giving the better neck anyway
plain pasture
occult 5%, tormented 5% (can upgrade to 7% with cloth from doom), devils element 6%(from echo)
tacit oyster
Cloth at doom drops as confliction gauntlet
sleek wraith
well we dont know if dags will give monarchs ring and neck as well as the new helmet
as it stands its just the helmet
plain pasture
kandarin always is a mandatory pick for mage, in most cases
only way it isnt is if we have a return of hybrid gear like emp ring/monarch amulet
sleek wraith
if we dont then yeh i can see choosing kandarin
but its such a boring ass area.
besides mage gear its legit useless area
sleek wraith
i usually always go with range
think ill switch it up for melee this time around
maybe
or mage
plain pasture
melee is gonna be a hard one, needs a lot of attention if its to compete with mage or range
sleek wraith
its always the lacking combat in each league
tacit oyster
Dont need tormented bracelet for doom and doom is auto unlocked. Kandarin running into same issue where almost all it's main items are useless since other regions drop upgraded versions 
plain pasture
its mainly lacking due to how spread out the upgrades are
plain pasture
Dont need tormented bracelet for doom and doom is auto unlocked. Kandarin runnin...
devils element is bis, occult is bis (unless return of monarch amulet)
also, this new magic weapon trident from thermy may be op
realistically it has to compete with shadow, or its pretty pointless adding it in
tacit oyster
A lot of previous echo weapons were only best in very limited situations
plain pasture
the shortbow has the added effect of hp/pray regen. which means u can sacrifice some dps
plain pasture
hespori cannon was actually decent in niche uses
sleek wraith
yeh i plan to go with kourend so i will probably choose range combat again this league
plain pasture
range kourend is pretty much needed
so always a good pick
even for mage, kourend is pretty much required
plain pasture
you have 2 options for range really
sleek wraith
so yeah ill prob be going kourend, asgarnia, prif
plain pasture
either asgarnia for void, or desert/fre, for battle helmet with masori
sleek wraith
man i rly want mory tho too
sleek wraith
for melee you still want kourend unlocked i think
plain pasture
asgarnia gets u - upgraded max treads, void, zaryte crossbow, amethyst for ammo
desert gets u - masori, venator ring
frem gets you battle helmet (if it has good ranged stats), venator bow
sleek wraith
for oathplate. granted our starting area is in varlamore with yama
plain pasture
for melee asgarnia is mandatory
plain pasture
bandos, godswords, max treads, torva, void melee
defender
etc
d boots, prims, max treads and so on
molten gust
for oathplate. granted our starting area is in varlamore with yama
You have something a bit wrong here. Yama is in Kourend. Sure they might drop something with him in Varlamore. But most likely oathplate will be kourend only.
plain pasture
when u look at area vs area, look at the str bonus of each area vs others for your chosen style (if we are stuck with 1 combat style)
sleek wraith
are the points from pc increased with the passive effect?
plain pasture
for example kourend vs morytania for mage. is ancest vs ahrim
sleek wraith
You have something a bit wrong here. Yama is in Kourend. Sure they might drop so...
yeah i forgot to finish that comment off by saying but we will probably need kourend for oathplate
plain pasture
but again, oathplate is probably not worth grinding
same time u can get torva with better str bonus,
accuracy usually isnt a major issue in leagues
you want plain old str bonus of each style
of course it comes down to what you enjoy at the end of the day, but if were talking about what is objectively best. its as above xd
toxic vortex
Still waiting for the echo Yama reveal
lost prairie
are the points from pc increased with the passive effect?
they were last league iirc
toxic vortex
They typically are
vapid pebble
Would be cool if Frem did get you DT1. And then with a combo pick of Kandarin you'd get ancients access post-99 magic
Still wouldn't be worth taking Kandarin I'm guessing
plain pasture
kandarin is worth for mage only.
and if there is no hybrid amulet/ring like raging echoes then kandarin is pretty much mandatory for mage
toxic vortex
Pending the full info on the echo items from thermy
plain pasture
i mean unless there is a better amulet for mage anywhere else kandarin is a clear pick for mage
5% occult, 6% devils element, 5% tormented bracelet (yes doom drops confliction, but thats towards endgame)
its the highest magic damage for any area
although im hoping mage isnt the meta here, and all styles have similar dps.
wanting to see melee get a comeback tbh
molten gust
More then likely the dag kings helm will have somekind of mage bonus. But no idea how much.
But similarly for melee, picking Mory for rancour/inq is good. Also kourend had oath and ferocious gloves. But we still got at least 6 more echo items to see.
molten gust
I really hope we start hearing about the combat stuff soon. Whatever exactly they got planned.
minor summit
(I have zero idea if this has been discussed yet) Shot in the dark. What if there isn't a dedicated Teleport Tier this time around. Think about it. They revealed Evil Eye, a teleport relic. They revealed Conniving Clues, another relic with the capability of using teleports, and then the Nature's Accord with yet another teleport option. Three different tiers with three different teleport options (regardless of execution and effort).
molten gust
There was a message higher up in here. It was saying a jmod said that the teleport part of the farming relic was a late addition. It may have been just felt like the relic was lacking without something else.
sleek wraith
it would 100% be lacking if it didnt have the teleport option
blissful fiber
I feel like not giving it an instant growth bonus just kinda kills it
pure bramble
So are we not getting any combat relics cause all tiers have been released right?
uncut willow
Combat is separated
old tapir
mmmm ok...that would solve both farming and herblore if i go with natures accord
i would not say tithe farm solves herblore as a gut instinct, but i could be wrong
and i am also personally peeved by it because it doesn't give snapdragons
but secondaries are a huge deal
sleek wraith
i would not say tithe farm solves herblore as a gut instinct, but i could be wro...
i misread relic when it said you dont need level requirement for trees. i thought it was for trees only.
im pretty sure we will need lvl requirement to enter farming guild tho if kourend is ones goal
old tapir
yeah the disregard for level reqs isn't that exciting imo
its not that difficult to get 34 to start tithe
and from there you're on railtracks
it could be decent if you're not picking kourend i suppose
little hatch
Around what time are the reveals each day
old tapir
4 hours and 20 minutes from now
timber quest
Trailblaze it
little hatch
4 hours and 20 minutes from now
Thanks boss
timber quest
Tryna think what banks are viable/strong with the mushroom
Aldarin has a fairy ring which isn't totally bad, karamja has the deposit dude near the shop
Kourend has 2 strong options with chasm of fire and the vineyard
But that's all I got so far
tree patch at gnome stronghold but that's kandarin lol
minor summit
Priff isnt too far from bank if you, of course, choose Priff.
old tapir
Tryna think what banks are viable/strong with the mushroom
Aldarin has a fairy ...
farming guild?
old tapir
does have a level req but you probably have it by the time you get t5
minor summit
Most definitely.
Do we know if Garden of Death will be auto completed with Kourend's unlock?
old tapir
anyway if we're talking mushroom teleports in varlamore, nemus tree patch is probably closest to a bank
timber quest
Gahd damn that's a good shout
sleek wraith
Tryna think what banks are viable/strong with the mushroom
Aldarin has a fairy ...
Forgot to mention farming guild. Legit has a tree spirit right there
timber quest
Ofc ofc, the 85 farming req will delay the usefulness of that I think tho
sleek wraith
Probably closest one to a bank
timber quest
But after yeee it'll probably be the one to use after nemus
sleek wraith
Or if you got mory unlocked then just use drakan medallion to bank
Or crafting cape if you got asgarnia
Bet we get bankers briefcase. Teleport to any bank.
timber quest
With current trends it makes me wonder if that'll come attached to a fricken t8 relic or something xD
sleek wraith
Bruh it better not be lol
toxic vortex
fally tree patch isn't too far
timber quest
Ye that might be asgarnia's best
Hops patch in keldagrim might be fremmy's best
This is all assuming the boss tp isn't taken ofc cuz I think huey beats everything
vapid silo
Hops patch in keldagrim might be fremmy's best
that one's only used for a quest and from memory doesn't have a tool leprechaun nearby, might be wrong
timber quest
that one's only used for a quest and from memory doesn't have a tool leprechaun ...
Aah sheet I think you're right
toxic vortex
This is all assuming the boss tp isn't taken ofc cuz I think huey beats everythi...
colo bank
you have to get the reputation to use it or whatever, but thats not hard
timber quest
Ye that's like wave 6 in normal game, probs line 3-4 with how much more dps we'll have i guess
timber quest
inner zenith
not been a negative neive, but does it seem like some of the relics are underpowered version of echo relics?
Do you think contarcts might change this 😮
timber quest
inner zenith
jesus my point exactly
vapid silo
woodsman dead in the ditch I am afraid
vapid silo
they are weaker in some aspects but gain a whole another relic's ability to compensate
timber quest
Yeh I'm getting more and more excited to see some previous tech used in new ways
No undwater theiving w/ 100% theiving rate makes any agility relic super strong to me ngl xD
vapid silo
really curious to see what the 3rd t2 is
timber quest
Gotta be some sort of dodgy deals/herb offhand combo right?
vapid silo
yea that's what I am thinking
timber quest
What else is left
Maybe cons?
vapid silo
unless they also add some skills that previously didn't have relic like rc
crafting is missing too
timber quest
Ooo damn crafting could be the one
vapid silo
production prodigy for reminaing stuff + thieving maybe
timber quest
I'm still thinking we won't see bnote so maybe something for rc
vapid silo
if thats the case I think hotfoot is the best
with EH anyway which is what I am leaning towards
timber quest
Ye solves 5 skills that's big
If you got 3t4g then it's agility too maybe xf
Idk if its consecutive tiles moved over to proc the agility xp
smoky raft
crafting is a non-issue
everyone will have access to a gem shop from the starting region (in Aldarin)
timber quest
Yehhh and the shop in mor ul rek post-fight caves too
fast sparrow
Am I just severely overvaluing woodsman solely for the unbreakable impling jars? Does hotfoot beat it out that hard?
timber quest
That agility relic with all the changes to termites might make that course kinda cracked if the boots xp rate isn't that great
I guess it depends how much imp hunting you were planning on doing, the process for making imp jars is kinda tedious right?
I've only ever claimed the 10 freebies every day or w/e it is haha
fast sparrow
Kind of but you would only need like 5 jars since theyre never consumed so you'd only need one of each imp you're going for
Unless I'm misunderstanding the relic
On a reread it does say the jar doesn't break, idk why I interpreted it as the imp doesn't get used
timber quest
I'd probably try to get the right amount to have a full inv after loot
smoky raft
I was abotu to say lol you're putting way too much priority on a small qol
timber quest
Yeh damn the more I ponder on it, the more I think it's gonna be Endless harvest/hot footed for me
Access to rich citizens and no underwater theiving means if t2 is dodgy deals style, it's gonna need some hefty 2nd perks attached to it
This is where they make t2 relic be something crazy like gain all the xp per rune crafted
Imagine what that would do to abundance lmao
smoky raft
honestly the biggest draw to hot footed rn for me is autosmelting
timber quest
Gaining coal is always a pain in the asssss
fickle pine
I think I still prefer Barbarian Gathering for late game chances to mine/fish/cut resources (50% separate chance)
smoky raft
for what though
faint pelican
Will the barbarian knapsack hold smelted bars and cooked fish though?
smoky raft
what do you actually need the late game resources for in leagues
faint pelican
Anti-synergy with the new relic potentially
toxic vortex
The boots seem nice
timber quest
what do you actually need the late game resources for in leagues
The xp rates would be tastyyyy on things like magic logs or anglers
fickle pine
its not about the item, it is about the perk, consider that wood late game is 12% chance to cut, and fish are similar (sharks). in a binomial distribution, the chance makes it quicker. however I see the benefit of resource gathering having more per each success.
timber quest
Ohhh mage someone I spoke to made a good point about the logs from farming patches
Ya can't note them at leprechauns, so idk if they would count
smoky raft
I will say a lot of the revealed items definitely look nice. Like from a visual perspective
timber quest
I'm leaning more towards the not fun variation aha
fickle pine
Natures accord solves that no?
fickle pine
I'm leaning more towards the not fun variation aha
I think you have a solid plan
smoky raft
its not about the item, it is about the perk, consider that wood late game is 12...
ok, so, for one, you're probably going to fishing karambwans if anything, which have a ~50% chance to catch on average
and the gathering xp is definitely nice, you're right, but I think it's important to acknowledge that the alternative gives you less xp but makes it 30 minute afk
timber quest
Barb gathering on that demon tear tree near doom could be decent for full afk too
errant pebble
So it is about 1.2m gp per hour of not sweaty agility if my math is correct
timber quest
I can't imagine the rates will be too great there tho
timber quest
So it is about 1.2m gp per hour of not sweaty agility if my math is correct
What's ur math frend
smoky raft
seeing as we're (probably) not getting golden god, having a reliable way to get gp could be useful
and I aint picking abundance
fickle pine
If you Barb Gather > Woodsmand > Natures accord, you do not need tools, you get noted resources, and you train str anf agi tangentially through woodcutting
smoky raft
if you pick endless harvest, you get banked resources on all gathering nodes. I don't really think "needing tools" is a downside
fickle pine
Fair, I see no logic flaw in your statement
errant pebble
@timber quest average time to get any termites is 18 sec, + reset/buffer time i assume it's 30 seconds. Which automatically completes the lap (i think this means tele to the end of the lap) and also gives 10k gp, or 20k gp per minute aka 1.2m per hour
fickle pine
one could argue that all these perks are broken
smoky raft
nuh uh the only conclusion you're allowed to have is that I'm right and you're wrong
fickle pine
lol
smoky raft
this is the internet you HAVE to argue with me
fickle pine
then I think you are wrong
grim lark
if you pick endless harvest, you get banked resources on all gathering nodes. I ...
Worth remembering that barb gathering gives 'crystal' tools at level 1 - its not just that you don't need them its that you have BiS from the moment the game starts
smoky raft
how long do you think it'll take to get level 40 in any given gathering skill in leagues
a crystal pickaxe is only 9% better than rune
stone basin
Thoughts on agility boots?
smoky raft
Thoughts on agility boots?
big shoe lmao
fickle pine
Worth remembering that barb gathering gives 'crystal' tools at level 1 - its not...
it is the strength or efficacy of the crystal tool line, you will be hands free
grim lark
a crystal pickaxe is only 9% better than rune
Yea, but you can't use a rune pick at level 1
its 3 tick iron at level 10 with barb gathering as compared to 6 tick with a steel pickaxe
smoky raft
yes, though again
lofty zinc
Where get the rune tools
smoky raft
that's only gonna be a problem for like an hour
grim lark
Where get the rune tools
rune pick is in cam torum, there is no rune hatchet until farming guild
lofty zinc
For some reason I thought we didn't have that area
grim lark
that's only gonna be a problem for like an hour
Oh I see your point - you think the tools are just not an issue because you only have to deal with it for like 45 mins tops
smoky raft
correct
I'm not saying those 45 minutes will feel good
but I am planning to play this league for more than 45 minutes
grim lark
but I am planning to play this league for more than 45 minutes
I'm re-evaluating barb gathering after seeing 'free 99 agil' on the boots
fickle pine
how long do you think it'll take to get level 40 in any given gathering skill in...
if you plan to get agi through barb gathering, you are looking at 130mill woodcutting xp approx
smoky raft
it definitely depends on the other T2 relic, but at this point I'd definitely pick boots before woodsman
grim lark
if you plan to get agi through barb gathering, you are looking at 130mill woodcu...
99 fish, wc, and mining is like 85 str and agil
errant pebble
It is very slow, 10% even with multiplier
lofty zinc
Aren't there league points for 50m xp all?
errant pebble
Not always
smoky raft
if you plan to get agi through barb gathering, you are looking at 130mill woodcu...
I don't plan to pick barb gathering
fickle pine
yes, there were in raging echoes
fickle pine
I don't plan to pick barb gathering
just validating that the boots are better for agi. I was showing the perspective
grim lark
just validating that the boots are better for agi. I was showing the perspective
I saw some napkin math that hotfoot at the collosal wurm was like 1.2m gp an hour
smoky raft
well, yeah, the boots are primarily agility, the other benefits seem like side stuff
but I also don't plan on hunting beyond like. 2 hours at lizards
grim lark
well, yeah, the boots are primarily agility, the other benefits seem like side s...
I think GP is gonna be a pretty big issue; it looks like abundnance and hotfoot giving gp is soft-signaling that there isn't gonna be a golden god style relic
errant pebble
I would guess there won't be a dedicated gp relic this time
Maybe another one that is similar to hot foot
Which is enough for everyone but construction of gold sinks
grim lark
Are there any good things to sell? like afking iron with endless harvest and hotfoot to make steel bars? Then turning the steel into something a general shop would mass-buy?
smoky raft
honestly I think Evil Eye was the nail in the grave for golden god, oddly enough
errant pebble
Are there any good things to sell? like afking iron with endless harvest and hot...
I think karamja shop buys at low alch price
fickle pine
In the last league, there is a theiving radius perk, and a golden high alchemy perk that had better benefits than this gold generation
smoky raft
there was only 1 icon like this on the table, and so far they've kept icons similar to their previous appearances
fickle pine
like the keldagrim golden god perk exploit
errant pebble
We prob gonna get thieving t2 with will be another way of making money
There is relic that looks like the thieving from last league
smoky raft
yep!
errant pebble
there was only 1 icon like this on the table, and so far they've kept icons simi...
It was a big bate, good for jagex
There you go, the only 3 relics that will make money passively for you