pvp-discussion

[glacial gate]

you can wear zcb/ely/voidwaker and rock the dome of tons of people with no risk whatsoever even on smite.

[wide crater]

absolutely for antis, but lets be real, ppl that are worried about risking 100k probably dont have zcb ely lmfao. i dont even have either of them atm

[glacial gate]

im just saying people always brag about the item advantage pkers have when i generally will always have more of an advantage against the pker if im ever anti'ing.

[wide crater]

naw i agree 1000% there are some demons out there that skull with my anti risk. but the fact is if they kill me i lose nothing and if i win i make $$$$

and idk about others but my mentality on it is this, i saw a guy in masori, tosd, ely,torva helm skulled the other day. chances are that guy would wreck me. but i am more than willing to risk my 2m skulled set for his 1b lol

[glacial gate]

like please skull up on me in more gear lmfao. You win max a mil if i die. but imma win 300mil+ LOL

[naive ore]

yes pkers who choose to antipk will have advantage, people killing bosses either reduce boss dps or risk even more gear on purpose to fight pkers

[wide crater]

yea but there is not a single boss in the wilderness that you need max dps to kill efficiently. i can kill artio/callisto with monk robes and an ancient staff. also other parts of wildy that dont involve fighting, agility/resource arena. but lots of ppl do that naked and just choose to die instead of fighting back

[naive ore]

nothing in the game needs max dps, but you bring dps to kill it faster

even pking you can kill someone with just dragon dagger but it wont be fast

[wide crater]

my point being if youre maging artio for example. 3 items really dont make that much of a difference. 2% extra damage you get from ahrims top/bottom are saving you marginal amounts of time. sceptre, ward (f) or ely, korasi, and fang will make you astronomically more money. obviously thatll be different for irons that dont have mains

[naive ore]

antipking is 90% of the time just for players who want to kill other players. the other 10% its in singles where you cannot escape easily

[glacial gate]

bring a dragon dagger and imma probably laugh when you hit me tbh.

[glacial gate]

you dont want to kill the other player or even have a chance? What kinda logic is that? lol.

Maybe im reading it wrong

[wide crater]

not true. i do wilderness agility because its fast xp and profitable. but instead of being naked i brought anti gear and made 60m in about 15 minutes

i wanted xp not looking for a fight. but when the fight came i was prepared

[glacial gate]

Freeze logging is so easy nowadays too lol. Just take a 3 way mage switch in any setup and its mostly free.

xericians and staff of water are like what. 10k risk lol

[naive ore]

you bring imbued heart + confliction gauntlets and your dps on boss skyrockets. people bringing 2 extra items are not bringing mystic as their extra items

[wide crater]

you do not need imbued heart at any wilderness boss, can easily be substituted with forgotten brew

[glacial gate]

if you need that to kill artio is it really against the spirit of the game when you get domed by a dude in d'hide and xericians? You had all that gear and couldn't freeze him. its laughable.

[wide crater]

confliction gauntlets also completely unneccesary considering artio/callisto have a guaranteed freeze mechanic

[naive ore]

yes you dont need anything if you want to deal less dps

[glacial gate]

even in the setup you mentioned your safe as fuck

you're in full mage catch a single freeze

[wide crater]

my argument here is that the wilderness isnt for efficiencyscape. dps on boss should not be your top priority, when people are trying to kill you.

that part^ your setup works perfectly fine for escaping but we were talking specifically about anti pking. granted, the 4 item max style also fucking SHREDS. i have died multiple times to pvmers in 4 item max even while hitting them 100% off prayer and me never getting hit off prayer

[naive ore]

yes but if you can escape easily while keeping high dps on boss why would you bother trying to kill pkers when you get reduced gp/h

[wide crater]

killing pkers increases your gp/h what

[naive ore]

if you somehow kill pker risking 5m+ every 2 hours sure

[winged thorn]

Because it’s free & it provides stats

[tropic root]

it's the wilderness, you never know when a PKer might be carrying 10,000 house teleport tabs

[winged thorn]

Why would I risk anything else if I didn’t wanna lose coin

[jade ledge]

ghostly

[winged thorn]

You don’t even have to talk to an npc to get the robes back lol

You just have them on respawn

[tropic root]

I was saying it's equally as bad as wearing nothing

both are bad

[wide crater]

go watch psavv videos lol. hes a great example of anti pk esp at bear

always fight back, i get a chub if i get attacked by some kid with a toxic staff in mediocre gear bc i know for a fact hes got a spec weapon. means when i win its a guaranteed 10m plus

[glacial gate]

or even watch tg kun lol.

[winged thorn]

It’s funny how those of us who actively engage with the wild all hold this position about 3 items unskull veng lol. & the folks who don’t engage with the wildy are just lost to how viable it is.

[glacial gate]

Truly shows who actually spends time in the space and who's cosplaying/watching from afar.

[wide crater]

dude i could literally go out in ONLY 3 items and still win fights. there seems to be a huge misconception that every single pker is god tier. most of these kids are BAD.

[winged thorn]

How do 5 pkers all in opposing clans agree

[naive ore]

yes its weird how active pkers manage to outsustain pkers when more pking items unskulled

[tropic root]

yea I'm a noob I'm going to lose no matter what I'm using unless the other guy joined RS in the past 2 years

[glacial gate]

i wish i didn't give a care in the world about it. but i do.... RS has the best highest skill ceiling of any pvp in any game and its skillsets are non transferable. Like its so silly.

[wide crater]

if you have a full inventory of anglers and i have 6 brews, yes im going to outlast you. thats pretty common sense tho

[winged thorn]

We need a good multi update for folks

[tropic root]

what would that entail

[winged thorn]

They won’t agree but that’s the best way to learn

[glacial gate]

bro id love to see one of these guys anti a max kill one time and get hooked lol.

[naive ore]

multipking uses almost none of the singles pking mechanics

[glacial gate]

it only takes one

[winged thorn]

Unsure. I hate to beat a dead horse but replicate multi revs again & make the gp/hr balanced with today’s activities

[glacial gate]

Balancing the gp'hr is the biggest part here please read!!!

[winged thorn]

I am the example of a noob who never pk’d & started in multi

Now I’m in scary clan love to pk

[wide crater]

as am i i was scared of wildy

[glacial gate]

i got killed in rev caves and recruited by my killers and its a wrap from there lol

[wide crater]

i got sucked in with callisto mass anti pk in my first clan

then started pking in 5 man teams and getting railed

then joined a pvp clan and now its all i do lmfao

[wide crater]

i went pking the other day with 2 ppl i killed lol

ran into and joined the sharbatis while we were at it cus they were getting teamed on

[naive ore]

lovely staged clips in the guide... pker afking next to bear while unfrozen and skipping 3-5 sec in clips to show pkers dying without speccing because pkers did not eat at all

[wide crater]

lmfao lil bro thats absolutely realistic. thats why i recommended him is because that is the actual quality of a lot of pkers

ill give you a personal example

i was doing agility the other day for xp. one of my clan mates was pking, kid logged in and attacked me. i let my boy get on him instead tho cus he was looking for the fight. pker gets off him jukes him on the stairs. I get back on him and caught him by surprise, ty tosd cus bro panicked and didnt pray or eat

it is honestly that easy

[glacial gate]

not everyone is odablock lol. A lotta people are terribad. Like LAUGHABLY bad. And thats okay. Im sure oda or 1013 would laugh at me in a fight too XD

The skill expression for players top 90th percentile isn't hard to reach or even 95. the last 5 percent though is exponential in its increase in skill gap.

albeit as time goes on more and more people do become better.

[naive ore]

yes but if the video on purpose skips last 5sec of the fight only to show pker dying to 3 hitsplats that are not from player it is kinda suspicious

[tropic root]

I think it's unfair that Protect from Melee prayer doesn't give me 100% protection in PvP when I use full Dharocks

[glacial gate]

@tropic root ofc we pk pvmers. Pkers are creatures of oppurtunity moreso than not. White dots to red dots my friend.

[tropic root]

Yea I wasn't criticizing that

[glacial gate]

i was just tryna move the convo moreso lol

[wide crater]

yea fs white dot is white dot. i normally dont actively flush caves but if im looking for pkers and i see a pvmer leaving or going to cave thats free game

[tropic root]

I don't think the perspective of a player like Arya will change unless some really big change happens in the Wildy

[wide crater]

such is the reality for a lot of people. even without the changes, perspectives wont change until their gameplay changes. if you continue to do the exact same thing everytime your perspective will stay the same. like @glacial gate all it takes is one massive anti and i promise that person is gonna gear for a fight instead of 1% magic damage increase

[tropic root]

I feel like getting some crazy lucky 10m+ kill is way out of my skill range to ever be that good, and the chance of it happening on lucky circumstances is way too low to think it'll ever happen

[glacial gate]

Why do we want to cater to those ideas though is the real question. Someone so far disconnected truly deserves a say in the state? Its laughable. Wilderness is not mandatory for anyone at all to do in the game. Your account will not get deleted if you don't own a voidwaker or mage cape. These are simply things people want and are afraid to achieve themselves.

[glacial gate]

This exactly. I was a pvmer before too! I was afraid of wilderness lmao or moreso annoyed at being attacked. And then the rev caves sucking me in because of incentive that destroyed loss and finding a team to play w/ there. it was over i was hooked.

[glacial gate]

i legit bolted a dude afk out like a week ago in rune crossbow for a toxic staff

sometimes it happens

We already have added skull prevention if that isn't enough for you to go out and participate without fear idk what to tell you.

[wide crater]

as i said, i have died to people that literally did nothing. i lost 6m to a kid doing chaos fanatic in masori top/bottom and bowfa. 100% hit him off prayer and he hit me 0 times off prayer. i could not catch a single freeze to log and he chased me down when i tried to leave lmfao

[tropic root]

I don't believe in the whole "only PKers should have a say" logic.

This logic falls apart very quickly.

Players are not game designers. So players should not have a say in the design of the game. Someone so far disconnected truly deserves a say in the state? It's laughable.

Or

PKers are not PvMers. So PKers should not have a say in what would attract PvMers to engage with the Wilderness, because they do not understand the reasons PvMers are not interested.

Or

You're a PKer. I'm a PvPer who likes no-risk PvP and I'm on the fence about Wilderness gameplay. How are you going to know why I don't play the Wilderness much and how are you going to know what kind of update would make me more inclined to enjoy the Wilderness? You already enjoy it - so you can't empathize with those who do not currently enjoy it.

Or

PvMers are not PKers. They don't know how the Wilderness works so why should they get a say?

This logic is asinine in every direction.

I love PvP, but I was never allowed to talk in the official PvP feedback Discord, and I hate that. I don't get to vote on PvP polls because I like a different kind of PvP than the Wilderness.

[glacial gate]

that bow be bowin sometimes lol

[glacial gate]

im a pker and a pvmer so i see both sides of the coin though? We act as if most pkers are not pvmers whatsoever in the sense. When thats just not true. Most of us are BOTH. we've saw both sides of the coin and have generally a better idea with our thousands of hours in wilderness than johnny who killed 12 vetion and is upset.

[tropic root]

Aight but you're not a game designer, why should you have a say in the design of the game gottem lmao

[glacial gate]

I never got to talk in official pvp discord either. But we're not rot or a streamer so we shouldn't have expected too tbf

[wide crater]

i dont think thats what he meant. i think its moreso targeted at people that refuse to participate in pvp/wilderness but still downvote every potential wilderness content update because they lost monk robes one time 5 years ago. i absolutely believe ppl like that shouldnt get a vote

[glacial gate]

This moreso completely yes.

[glacial gate]

because its a game players make suggestions on and we vote on them in game. Pretty weak arguement on that one.

I respect it but different levels.

[tropic root]

Spite voting isn't cool but I think it's better to look at the reasons it happens, because therein lies your solutions

Players are not "forced' to do any specific thing in the game, but they are definitely strongly incentivized to do certain things, like especially the Mage Capes. Though I would agree mage cape is pretty easy to get.

Wildy clue steps are just stupid for everyone imo. I've seen a nice suggestion to make wildy steps optional and provide a bonus to the normal clue, but skippable. That's a good compromise solution.

Voidwaker can just be bought on GE, but it's different for ironmen. I have compromises for them but it's a very long topic.

Toxicity - that one can't really do much about in any game

Dislike of predator prey - another one that is complicated to discuss

If you ignore 30% of the playerbase or 90% of the playerbase, good luck passing polls.

[wide crater]

even voidwaker is ez as fuck to get and can be done without dying a single time

[tropic root]

Yea but that's what it sounds like when PKers say 'well you're not a PKer you shouldn't get a say'

It's just bs logic

[wide crater]

nobody has ever said "youre not a pker so you cant have a say" i will die on the hill that if you refuse to participate in ANY of the content you shouldnt get a say tho

[tropic root]

Bro people say that all over the place and it's the whole reason they did PKer restricted votes

I guess you don't read the reddit much

[glacial gate]

ive probably said things adjacent to that which is fair lol

when did they do pker restricted votes?

[wide crater]

ive also probably said things that could be implied as such

[wide crater]

reddit is a cesspool of weirdos. i do read it but not very often so thats fair

[glacial gate]

no i dont read reddit at all. i dont care for a echochamber

[tropic root]

xD

it's not complete echochamber

this chat is also just a different kind of echochamber

[glacial gate]

im likely to get banned from both so i do agree.

but i think controversial conversations help overall.

[wide crater]

i cant say i agree with that, ive not seen a single person gather a crowd with pitchforks and torches over me having a different opinion in this chat

[tropic root]

There are PvP topics that get legitimate discussion on reddit, usually the ones that are actually empathizing with BOTH sides

[naive ore]

pker only votes also wont be guaranteed passes if they bring more power to certain pvp builds, people are spite voting even in those

[glacial gate]

im a build hater. max main or deal with your restrictions lol

[tropic root]

isn't that exactly what makes this an echochamber - because we all just generally agree more

[glacial gate]

but not everyone feels that way 😛

[glacial gate]

no because wrongthink isnt banned

[tropic root]

we don't agree on everything but it's definitely a lot more than if the general playerbase were talking in here

[wide crater]

we dont tho, there are plenty of discussions here where we disagree. look and me and @naive ore just 30 minutes ago lol

[glacial gate]

i disagree all the time

part of it

[tropic root]

is a different level of vitriol compared to if the real anti-wildy people were here

[glacial gate]

they are

they just die down after crying for a day

[tropic root]

not as much in this chat :)

[glacial gate]

ive actually made friends with people who hate pking to

[naive ore]

there are a lot of different viewpoints for pvp/wilderness balance that are not extremes

[glacial gate]

and have had constructive conversations

[tropic root]

even the PvP "haters" on reddit will listen to people who have actually reasonable takes about PvP and the wilderness

[wide crater]

because rules were imposed. people are welcome to come in here and express their reasons for disagreeing. but they are not welcome to come in and just shit on everyone for no reason

[glacial gate]

its pretty wenie hut junior but not as bad as reddit lol

regardless i dont blame new people for not going and trying pking nowadays

theres no multi revs like when i started

bear and stuff is lame

[tropic root]

they should add mastering mixology to a dungeon below the axe hut in wilderness

[glacial gate]

just go raid or do doom right now honestly

[wide crater]

for the most part, the ppl in here have been relatively level headed and able to have a constructive conversation. not saying all, but a lot of reddit users are unable to do that

[tropic root]

support my reddit post

[tropic root]

Not true! It really depends on how you approach the conversation

Of course no one will listen if you jump in like a lot of PvMers/PvPers who just strawman

[glacial gate]

i could post Pker bad and a picture of me standing in lumby dead and get the most upvotes of the day.

its not the same.

[wide crater]

i mean i agree and disagree at the same time. it requires an open dialect from both sides. problem is im not mad when i kill someone or when i die. but im supposed to have a proper conversation with people that are FUMING about the dhide set they just lost.

[naive ore]

Like i am not against the wilderness player alarm being removed, i just dont think removing it will fix the issue of pkers being frustrated about people insta teleing out below 30 wildy

[wide crater]

and as i said yesterday there are legitimate peoople out here trying to get us BANNED bc we killed them

[tropic root]

Well consider what you just typed here: You are already pre-emptively ruling out the person you are discussing with as being a certain kind of way

I at least wait for them to self-report before I rule them out :)

[wide crater]

thats the thing, ive never been frustrated at the tele out. i get frustrated bc theres no reason you should be able to afk play on your phone and get away. removing the alarm requires you to actively play, so if you see me the second i come on screen and tele well gf to you sir

[glacial gate]

nah its serperate problems completely they do coincide somewhat but they will require seperate fixes. I do believe the plugin is too overpowered for what it is. But the 1t tele's are bots/people/everything.

[glacial gate]

yep. getting mass reports because you killed a pvmer is cringe af and makes me worry because customer support is just the reddit >.>

[tropic root]

is teleing out that bad, ain't ya supposed to teleblock them?

[wide crater]

i dont tho. i absoluty TRY to talk to people, just like im doing here kwim?

[wide crater]

yh but with wildy alarm they literally 1t tele before your teleblock can land

[tropic root]

true xD

[naive ore]

even with no obstacles you got 2-3 tick window to tele before pker is in tb range. similar timing in singles wildy boss caves

[wide crater]

all im saying is removing the alarm requires players to actually play and suffer the consequences for getting distracted. i will have 0 issues with the gamers in the chat that still manage to get away. bots excluded

[tropic root]

yea I never had a problem with people being able to tele out

it's low level wildy

[glacial gate]

You see this is a question that tells me you haven't tried i can explain but from my point of view it is a very telling question.
The plugin will alert regardless of where i am if i am within render distance (tested yesterday) BUT render distance is TOO FAR to throw a teleblock. so you may say try to login under the pvmer okay sure, if theyre standing still i will try. now its oh no they moved or oh no the character stood there for a tick during login, that 1 tick is enough for the bot or pvmer with plugin to auto tele away even when looking at other accounts.

[tropic root]

I'm already against the alarm plugin fo sho

But was teleblock still a problem back before that was a thing

and people escaping with teleports

I did use to teleblock back in like 2010 RS

[naive ore]

the plugin basically adds frustration, pkers cannot know if the person just paid attention or if they got flashing screen

[wide crater]

i cant say thats the case bc even with the alarm im still able to catch some players. id imagine without it that number doubles at a minimum

[tropic root]

oh definitely

[glacial gate]

im not against actively playing players getting away from me

they should!

but plugin abuse isn't cool either.

[wide crater]

i am all for afkable activities in this game. those activities should not be in wildy

[tropic root]

💯

[winged thorn]

I feel bad pushing against some ideas but I guess the benefit is that: anti echo chamber

[tropic root]

Pushing against ideas helps reveal the weaknesses of those ideas - keep doing it

[glacial gate]

One of the main reasons i would argue against this being an echo chamber is, all pvp clans are welcome to come here and chat. All pvmers are welcomed to come here and chat.

[tropic root]

Like when you come up with a concern with my ideas, that's great feedback on how to develop it further or if I should abandon the line of thinking

[wide crater]

i agree. ill think i have a banger till i talk to some of you and get some outside perspective

[wide crater]

that part. how many of us here actively fight each other lmao

[winged thorn]

Me

[tropic root]

I'll fight any of you in the Duel Arena... oh wait

[glacial gate]

exactly and none of that matters here. Its nice.

[tropic root]

I legitimately liked doing fun Duel Arena 1v1s, now I can't do that anymore, they straight up deleted a PvP activity I liked.

How do you think I feel

[winged thorn]

I just wanna send my sets one last time for poo’s and laughs

[wide crater]

alright guys i will catch you all later, gonna go have a crawfish boil XD

[winged thorn]

Enjoy gamer

I too am headlocked c u

[wide crater]

nvm got delayed cus someone needs stitches now lmfao

[iron cobalt]

hey

[wide crater]

hi

[tropic root]

Fix PvP Arena Plz
#1485315678415360242 message

[granite sphinx]

Hey

[jade ledge]

hi

[glacial gate]

https://tenor.com/pI4W67oeeb8.gif

[iron cobalt]

hi

[safe marten]

Hey

[kindred marsh]

what hp are you guys camping? trying not to be safing but then just get voidwakered because it's all people can use

[glacial gate]

Safing isn't real in 2026.

[kindred marsh]

ok ty

[glacial gate]

People just say that in bh etc to try and get a ko on you.

Its a rat tactic when anyone can hit 99+ in a tick.

i guess im assuming you're meaning bh.

[kindred marsh]

i usually switch between NH BH and Dhing but any of them if i don't stay like full hp i just get voidwaker comboed it's my only death

[glacial gate]

yeah the invisi venge voidwaker combo is just kinda the meta, even moreso if they can 1t a gmaul in there.

nh outside of bh there really isn't necessarily a camp hp, its all about prediction of opponents max what items theyre hiding, whether you're on momentum or not, theres just a ton that goes into it really.

[kindred marsh]

yea i was Nhing a guy he was piss so i didn't camp high hp then boom voidwaker doing DH don't camp high hp boom voidwaker i'm just gonna stay high hp and not care then

[brazen fox]

wtf pvpcord popping off today

[fast cradle]

pooopin off

[tropic root]

I think I'mma have to stick with soul wars for pvp instead of the pvp arena lol

[next sequoia]

Jagex has never created an update as buggy and unfinished as pvp arena in the game's history. Nor have they ever made the collective decision to knowingly Leave any other update in such a buggy condition without fixing it.

And the reward shop has only 2 items. Lmao

Blows my mind the way they handled pvp arena

[glacial gate]

and i gotta do it for surge sacks LOL

[next sequoia]

May as well make those tradeable at this point.

[wide crater]

LOL @winged thorn it never ceases to amaze me how ppl blame you guys for the dumbest shit. I saw a post on facebook of someone asking what was happening and its a bunch of corp accounts massed up at ge. 4 comments in “must be rot”

[tropic root]

That pvp arena needs to be waaaaaay smoother

[wide crater]

@iron cobalt go get your bots bro theyre unionizing

[next sequoia]

Doesn't surprise me. RoT self nuked their reputation through a lot of dumb decisions. Nobody respects them. Lol

[wide crater]

I wasnt slinging jabs at another clan, i just thought it was funny, we can just laugh at the joke lol

This isnt the place for us to be flaming XD

[next sequoia]

🙂

[halcyon kraken]

Necessary evil, they single handedly made themselves an enemy on purpose so the OSRS community has a common enemy instead of turning on themselves. How thoughtful of RoT thank you 😔 heroes

[next sequoia]

Isn't it crazy how pvp arena has stayed the same since 2022. I wonder if it would genuinely forever stay the same if nobody mentioned anything to jagex or if in like 10 years they'd randomly want to change it.

[tropic root]

I remember now why I liked the Duel Arena

I did edge style duels / melee venge only with no food

1v1 trybridding kinda sucks

[tropic root]

this was the best time for PvP

https://youtu.be/z-ZJ-FV7Byk?si=zJHD15sbI2CEKMIJ

[forest kraken]

Yeah I try not to think about it or I get triggered

[tropic root]

if Jagex limits the wilderness to only be accessible in a few worlds

what happens if I logout while within the wilderness or try to world hop to a world that doesn't have it enabled

[forest kraken]

I assume in that hypothetical scenario it wouldn’t let you log in

And wouldn’t let you hop

[glacial gate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1465348114033541183/1479211127459283056/multi_revs.gif

[glacial gate]

Upgrade your subscription to runescape+ to unlock this area!

[jade ledge]

BSOD

[tropic root]

Couldn't they just make a big ol' PvP minigame that's called Wars and the gameplay is two randomly shuffled teams fight to the death with everyone having 3 lives

We don't need Souls and we don't need Castles

Just multi as a PvP minigame, slap some rewards in it

Multi Wars, if it works for clans in the wilderness it will work even better as a minigame

[iron cobalt]

hey

[winged thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1465348114033541183/1485388581219598346/multi_revs.gif?ex=69c1af6a&is=69c05dea&hm=14a3acdc4367f37c9cc5c5d90e8c0257d7068324f667dc000a95c8147bbf771e&

[wide crater]

i think rn if youre in members area and log into f2p while having mems it doesnt let you login. if you run out of mems it auto goes lumby

could be wrong as its been ages since thats happened to me

[iron cobalt]

pretty sure they could make some logic that if in wilderness cannot hop to non wilderness world. if your logged out and trying to login to a non wilderness world while in the wilderness it can display some text as "you are in the wilderness,please hop into a wilderness world"

[wide crater]

do pvp worlds have no pj timer or whats the deal with that

[tropic root]

What do you guys think of this statement:

OSRS PvP is objectively more fun if you move away from 1v1 NH bridding?

Case in point: mass multi PvP where there is less individual pressure, and if you do brid, you can do it to support gaps in the team's DPS in the combat triangle

Case in point 2: Bounty Hunter where overheads and freezes are disabled

Case in point 3: edge style PKing or PvP world style where people intentionally are doing melee only or are intentionally not bridding, not using protection prayers, therefore taking out the most intensive part of the combat system: bridding

Case in point 4: people only learned to do it where they are forced to do it, such as deep wildy, LMS, PvP arena

[scarlet tree]

Fun is different for every person…..
just cause you don’t like NHing/tribrid doesn’t mean most will not like it
You don’t have to do it in lms/pvp arena there’s venge there too

[tropic root]

Historically speaking I don't think most really got into nh bridding even back in 2007-2010

Yea there was always a portion who did

But didn't most just do other stuff and deep wildy nhers were always a small niche

[scarlet tree]

Pretty sure there was different pj timers back then, along with different more widely accepted ethics, was almost 20 years ago you’re talking about

[glacial gate]

Im not the best brid by any means but i still really enjoy to do it. I think multi is the most fun sure but i respect the different styles.

[scarlet tree]

Yeee

[tropic root]

I respect bridding too but what I'm sayin' is anything but that is easier to get into and more widely appealing

[scarlet tree]

That’s going into opinions more, but Idk if id say easier…. What’s appealing to a lot/most seems like the gp incentive wilderness offers (not saying it hasn’t diminished compared to outside wildy) -with the possibility of pvp
N what most seem to do is pvm in the wild….learn to survive, then anti n get complacent/content there as apposed to trying to pk in different sets/spellbooks/ go to bh/pvp world or any other higher effort or skill ceiling style
I’m not saying one’s better than another…like what you like but most seem to stop there n it seems like- to me- they’ve either got complacent or maybe tried n weighed the risk/reward n went back to anti …..yada, yada etc.

[winged thorn]

agree w/ the multi bit for sure

[tropic root]

Oh I'm not speaking on gp incentive but more raw gameplay

Bridding requires a lot more click intensity and juggling of both your equipment, defensive prayers and offensive prayers

People intentionally take that stuff out of it for various forms of PvP, simplifying the combat system in their fights

However in terms of skill bridding will always be on top especially in case of tournaments like DMM, because it uses everything the combat triangle has to offer

[wide crater]

dammit @winged thorn that was rude bro

[winged thorn]

[scarlet tree]

Was talking about the wild n pvp in general how it seems most get started n u did mention wildy tho, def a big incentive there……. I like n prefer nhing
That said I think the ceiling for risk fighting is higher than Nhing… probly has a lower entry point too but yah
Idk u can ask more well rounded and higher skilled pvp folks who’ve done both, (n other forms not just those two) there’s forsure monsters in both it’s nutty

[wide crater]

toss bond bro

[hollow fiber]

toss a 5er?

[torn prawn]

i dont understand dding, why am i trying my absolute hardest to freeze the guy but i cant catch the freeze

[tropic root]

Another PvP idea :D
#1485510828131356672 message

[halcyon finch]

Rng

[wide crater]

It be like that sometimes. I fought a buddy with better gear and literally got one freeze the whole fight. Shit can be wild sometimes. If im not having luck with it i just dont go for the dd keep focusing on 1ticking your switches and bolting/melee off pray

[forest kraken]

Yes that is what happens

[forest kraken]

I’m unsure what point you’re trying to make but some people do enjoy NHing. Personally as someone who hard avoids it and has no interest in 1v1 PvP I would rather see more options for multi added than ‘moving away’ from a 1v1 style. Lots of people like that and it can be enjoyable to watch

Even in multi at the top end like CWA and PKRI there is lots of gear switching, tanking, triple eats, prayer switching and lots of other elements you mentioned that people ‘don’t like’. Fact of the matter is people are better these days and these things will give you an advantage so people will do them

[cloud hatch]

How old are most of the people posting in here? I can't get any of the other millennials around my age to get into pvp. They just don't feel like investing the time into it in this game.

[forest kraken]

Aren’t most osrs players around 27-32

[forest kraken]

Going back to this id much rather see more content added than anything pvpers enjoy removed. If they want to do balance changes and change the direction of PvP I think the most egregious things to multi are ragging which just needs to be addressed and the d spear

[tropic root]

I ain't saying to remove anything and I'm not saying no one enjoys NH bridding

[forest kraken]

Ok then I’d agree if you’re saying to move towards more accessible content for players?

[wide crater]

I certainly hope theres some older, i dont wanna be the very high end of that 😂

[tropic root]

Yea basically

Though before that I would go for wilderness fix or pvp arena fix or both

[next sequoia]

https://gyazo.com/b8335a2427ce672a28da1550fb273ad1

14 solo vet'ion kills. This boss should be giving more.

[brazen fox]

Strongly disagree

Also I think 4 is not an argument u can make

You’re assuming people NH there because they have to and not because they want to

Also 1 doesn’t really say anything, most people take tribrid there and camp barrage bcos multi targeted attacks
2 and 3 just say that some people like veng pk but some people also dislike it so 🤷

[tropic root]

Let me word it differently: NH bridding and honor PvP are two very popular styles of PvP but it feels like everyone has this expectation that everyone is supposed to eventually learn and enjoy NH bridding.

LMS is favored towards NH bridding. PvP Arena is favored towards NH bridding. And those two are the minigames that were developed and advertised as the way for people to learn PvP if they are new, so they can eventually do Deep wildy which requires NH bridding if you get into a real fight.

And honor PvP has PvP worlds and Bounty Hunter. There is not a safe minigame version anymore.

In Soul Wars and Castle Wars those are more casual so you can kinda do whatever.

[minor aspen]

wdym it's the easiest wilderness boss and it's almost 4m/hour T_T

[cloud hatch]

He brought 45k in risk, he deserves more /s

[latent relic]

I am older than that lol

[latent relic]

Was there ever a safe mini game with BH style rules? Removing veng from LMS and creating a new safe mini game for it would be cool

[tropic root]

No more alternate save file minigames :(

But yes bh style is nice

[latent relic]

I think NHing is generally more popular because it's more interactive. Movement, prayers, switches and eats

[tropic root]

definitely more interesting to watch fo sho

[minor aspen]

taking a break from sts to mess around, peek the setup. am I cooking 👨‍🍳 or am I booking 🏃‍♂️‍➡️

[granite sphinx]

god i used to love running around with a karils bow lol

[halcyon finch]

D claws r u trying to kill mains?

[minor aspen]

no just using it as spec weapon

[halcyon finch]

Why not dds?

[minor aspen]

im using 2handed stuff

[halcyon finch]

Ahhh

Get blue moon staff

[minor aspen]

need 70 attack, im 60

[halcyon finch]

Unlucky

[clear forge]

so i was doing some bh and my target was a guy who would fight and do 2 vw specs then go back to lobby before i can do my specs. is this guy just an idiot or am i missing something here?

[glacial gate]

its the bh equivalent of spec tabbing. And you're gonna run into that a lot.

Theyll tryy to spec venge rush you, and just reset and do it again.

[safe marten]

Good afternoon popcorn

Pvpcord sorry new phone

[fringe fjord]

its mostly ''popular'' right now because there's no alternative

pvp worlds get no updates ever

issues bh has since the beginning have never been fixed

wilderness has plenty of bots everything else is just dead or dying

[latent relic]

Disagree

[tropic root]

https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1485682251323670528

[winged thorn]

All those sound nice but the short tele away seems pretty broken against someone on normals

[tropic root]

I just want an excuse to "nothing personal kid" people with my bone dagger tbh

the spec actually does bonus damage for a backstab

[latent relic]

I think 8 tiles is too much.

[winged thorn]

At a certain distance it is a guaranteed escape

[tropic root]

good point

[latent relic]

Need to be careful with movement when frozen because it has a big impact on more than just dd

[tropic root]

oh boy it's going to be silly when you bring up clans multi

[latent relic]

Freeze logs, getting out of clumps

[winged thorn]

I think the fix to freeze dd is a lot simpler than we think

When you cast if you do it at the wrong time it doesn’t actually cast your freeze

[latent relic]

I don't think freeze dd is a problem lol

[glacial gate]

Freeze dd is a part of skill expression. If you don't like it get better at the game.

[latent relic]

But obviously others do

[winged thorn]

If the game remembered you were trying to freeze & then cast for you on the next available tick, I think it would fix a lot of things

[glacial gate]

This would be VERY nice.

[tropic root]

Counter freeze log was part of the goal with that one too

[winged thorn]

Agree 100%

Idc about freeze dd, if a sweaty nerd is doing it to me I just wait to escape. But it is pretty annoying sitting there trying to cast a tick perfect freeze lmao

[latent relic]

Why remove freeze logs though

It's part of the experience

[tropic root]

I'm trying to understand what this one means, but I think it's similar to a thought I had recently

Do you mean a change from

"Click spell -> now you HAVE to click your opponent"

to

"Click spell -> it's queued for your next attack, but you can click floor tiles and move and stuff and your next attack will still cast the spell"

[latent relic]

I don't understand turning every PvP encounter into a death match

It buffs outlast sets way too much

[tropic root]

It's not removing it. It's a one-time attempt to counter it and due to cooldowns if you flub that, you miss it and you have to survive longer to get another chance to try it.

[glacial gate]

it means you dont have to spam click spell click opponent every tick. you do it once and next time they step out your char attempts a freeze. that doesnt mean you can do actions inbetween or it would cancel the spell qued.

[latent relic]

Freeze logging by itself does that already. It's not a guaranteed eacape

[tropic root]

oh I see what you mean, yea that would be great

[winged thorn]

More like:
I am being DD’d on and it’s a fresh freeze. He’s going to continue walking out from under me & dealing damage.
Currently: if you cast at the wrong time (literally a tick too late) your spell won’t cast at all. Players walking under you somehow negate casting.
Instead: while frozen, if you cast on the player dd’ing, the next available tick your freeze would cast
If I’m still frozen.

[tropic root]

So basically you mean "can still target player standing on you" as opposed to it "breaking targeting"

[winged thorn]

It’s a line of sight thing I think

[tropic root]

that certainly would completely stop DDing

[winged thorn]

I think it would stop the necessity for extra things / metas being added

It would change the meta for those who do singles. I dont dd brid when im in singles so I cant really comment on it. Sweatier folks would likely revolt

[latent relic]

Yeah I think this would be nice

Like the spell processes next available time instead of resetting when they dd

[glacial gate]

I dd brid. Im fine with it. Yes it is cutting some skill expression don't get me wrong. But its also opening it up a TON to others. Im not always getting that 1t freeze myself on them either lmao

[winged thorn]

I’m curious to know what else it would break though lol

Idk how coding works & if it’s possible to limit this to an only when frozen mechanic

I also don’t know if it would break anything else

[latent relic]

I mean you can counter being dded

[glacial gate]

oziarch now gives you ancient wyvern shields or something

[winged thorn]

Not even like breaking the meta, just like the code side of it

[latent relic]

It's not like you're completely helpless

[winged thorn]

There’s other situations where this happens but it’s not only when you dd

Imagine casting at altar with the door closed & then someone opens it & it drags you 16 tiles

LMAO

[tropic root]

I like the solution of just add honor/bh style matches to PvP Arena

That solves DDing

(because you can't freeze anyone)

[glacial gate]

lets not waste dev time on pvp arena when the real wilderness is so dead lol

just imo ime

[winged thorn]

Let’s get tribrid bh finally

[latent relic]

Would finally be the end of singles in the wildy

[winged thorn]

True

[tropic root]

also yea I think because of how much it changes 1v1 that would never fly

I do like to DD people, I don't do it as tick perfect as Oda, but for instance all of my counter ideas still allow players to DD, just they have to be more careful about when and about their positioning

:)

[granite sphinx]

then we can change it back to old singles and the 14 job 6 wives guy who just wants a fair 1v1 can go to tribrid bh 😄

[winged thorn]

Yeah that’s true. I just think if it’s that big of a complaint from the community you could do a simpler fix

[tropic root]

here's the true fix to DDing:

make players solid

this will also bring value to having more banks around runescape, because we will be forced to spread out a bit

like seriously are we making out or what while standing on the same tile

[winged thorn]

I’m thinking your thoughts 👻

[tropic root]

making players solid might be OP for clans though so I guess we can't do that

darn clans getting in the way of all the good updates

[glacial gate]

make ironmen solid. they stand alone lol

[winged thorn]

It would just break too many things. There isn’t a big enough place currently to have 100v100 where ppl wouldn’t be walking on each other

Actually maybe the clan wars portal hahaha

But that’s boring

[tropic root]

lol

I made ya take it seriously for a second

[safe marten]

Imagine having to wait in line to use the bank booth

Like irl

Thanks 2/3 you’re a great audience

[naive ore]

time to make 20 lvl3 ironmen to afk in wildy to block paths

[winged thorn]

<@&385422009930219520> hi sorry for ping. I am curious, is there anything you can share regarding this channel & feedback from yourselves, or J Mods?
I only ask because of the pinned message: #pvp-discussion message

ty in advance & sry again for ping

[latent aurora]

[winged thorn]

Any type of feedback would be helpful for the couple of folks typing books worth of content. If none of it gets looked at I’d hate for them to waste their time

[jade ledge]

:ban:

[latent relic]

Can you imagine not being able to move because all the tiles are taken

[winged thorn]

Would be funny 1 time

[latent relic]

Yeah could form a shield around your callers

https://tenor.com/view/maidenshield-shieldwall-vikings-lagertha-gif-26198387

[jade ledge]

A death wall would actually become a wall lol

[wide crater]

Good to hear 😂

Back to question that went unanswered, is there some sort of pj timer mechanic on pvp worlds pr no

[winged thorn]

BH worlds have the old pj timer where you can jump anyone. I think PvP world timer follows single+ rules but I could be mistaken

Or pvp world follows the wildy rules right before singles+ was released which is the last hit mechanic

But idk for sure

[wide crater]

Thats what i thought. Im trying to understanf what happened and wish i wouldve recorded. I was pking revs and went to 392 and a team passed me around like a cheap hooker

I assumed it was same mechanics as other worlds in wildy

It almost seemed like bug abuse cus i went there twice

[winged thorn]

Sounds like it’s the latter then: the last hit mechanic lmao

[wide crater]

First time i killed the guy i was fighting anf got the log, second time couldnt do anything

[winged thorn]

If you don’t get last hit on whoever is attacking you before logging out, you can be pj’d

That’s how I understood those mechanics

[wide crater]

Oh ok. I might have to look into it cus i was MAD confused

[winged thorn]

3 different singles versions in 1 game

Hurt brain

[wide crater]

I dont understand how they werent able to setup and pass around the first fight tho is what makes it harder to comprehend lol

Unless maybe second time he got a hit and i was eating ot something. Youre right 3 different mechanics is wack

[winged thorn]

The so-called PJ timer, or the time before a player can be attacked by another opponent after engaging in player-versus-player combat, is increased. This makes it impossible to attack players immediately after they score a kill in single-way combat areas.
After attacking a player in a single-way combat area, both players are locked in combat with each other, and their fight cannot be interrupted by other players. However, if a player is attacking, but has not been attacked themself recently, they can change the target to lock with another opponent.

Yeah so, it’s different than singles+ & different than BH worlds l0l

[jade ledge]

No wonder new people who want to try out get overwhelmed by the different behaviour of PvP elements

[tropic root]

I don't really think about pj timers :D

[modest field]

No worries about the ping, out of curiosity what exactly are you looking for as far as feedback goes?

[minor aspen]

I figured it's just for us, based on the 2nd bullet point:
"We won't be using this channel specifically for feedback, unless expressly asked for it by a JMod."
but that doesn't mean J mods don't glance at it.

[wide crater]

Read the last bullet point though lol

[winged thorn]

The last 2 bullet points really. I’m guessing since this chat isn’t used for feedback, it’s safe to assume we “fly under the radar”. The only feedback that would likely get reported is if it was a drama filled cesspool.
But I guess I’m asking if there’s anything positive being said that would lead one to believe that maybe one day we could get j mod interaction in here.

[tropic root]

I will say that I'm not posting anything here expecting a JMod to ever see it

Rather I am working on just making a video essay about my various ideas and I hope to break through the veil via youtube lol

[wide crater]

Tbh id be happy to hear if anything being said is being considered or hear about any possible wilderness updates or anything lol

[winged thorn]

It would be cool if they chimed in though, hey?

[tropic root]

I wish I could've talked in the PvP feedback discord when it was open

But I wasn't considered a PvPer after my application to the survey

[glacial gate]

I never got to utilize interactions in there either. Sad 🙁

[modest field]

Ahh I see, so this channel was purely made for our PvP community to have a space in the server to call their own. It will be treated as any other chat channel such as #general, #old-school and the #sailing-chat.

As mentioned in Blossoms post the likelihood of being asked for feedback in this channel is very low and JMods aren’t obliged to engage in here unless they feel like doing so.

Sorry I know that’s not the answer you were hoping for guys :/

[jade ledge]

Yea killing PvMers you aren't considered a pker (dont take the bait! :D)

[winged thorn]

No problem! For my own sanity, am I crazy for reading some of it like there is potential for it be used as a feedback area?

Dw I’m not trying to catch anyone in a gotcha! moment. Just wondering if I am illiterate lol

[modest field]

Maybe so if there’s ever a significant PvP update and they wanna hear from the PvP community but otherwise I wouldn’t expect anything. I don’t speak on Jagex’s behalf, for of all we know they might turn around and randomly ask for feedback tomorrow lol 🤷‍♂️

[winged thorn]

Ty fella

[modest field]

No problem!

[winged thorn]

Are you saying I am illiterate @jade ledge

I may be

[wide crater]

Swear i feel this some days 😂

[jade ledge]

Yes you are (please dont kill me in the wildy)

[winged thorn]

You’d have to enter wildy first ; )

[jade ledge]

No you aren't I just noticed those are two messages lol

Cannoning @wildy slayer cave as we speak :x

With my alert on!

[winged thorn]

[glacial gate]

https://tenor.com/Lt5Vymbi7L.gif

[wide crater]

Oh shit guys, gz me i can finally react to messages 😂

[jade ledge]

You need to be P2P in order to react

[wide crater]

I am sir 😭😂 i think its some kind of discord leveling system lmao

[winged thorn]

Proof of purchase to react NOW

[wide crater]

@hollow fiber how do you feel about teal ignoring our begging

[glacial gate]

You aint grinded enough in the osrs discord for that one buddy!

[wide crater]

Right i dont have to reply now which is nice, but still cant post pics yet 😅

[winged thorn]

[west bough]

hey! was wondering if there's any consensus on ags vs vw in the context of anti-pking? is it just a matter of preference with the consistency vs higher max? also in my specific scenario I can't bring a defender (can't protect it, don't want to increase risk by trouvering it), does that change anything?

[jade ledge]

We've got the same roles but probably something else is messing

[glacial gate]

if no defender or dfs go ags always IMO.

[wide crater]

Ags you have a higher max hit, but can noodle. Voidwaker if you can outlast and get your opponent low, you have a guaranteed hit. User preference tbh

[winged thorn]

I’d agree w/o defender or DFS go ags

[wide crater]

Ill risk like 5m unskulled and bring both ngl

My personal preference on anti pking is fang and voidwaker tho

[winged thorn]

I also prefer vw over ags for anti. But sometimes I wish I had ags…

Sad game

[west bough]

I'm not quite good enough to be risking big amounts so sadly I'm constrained in that regard, I die a little too much for it to make sense

might have to give the AGS a go since I'm not bringing a defender then

[winged thorn]

Curious to know what you’re doing in wild? Revs? Bossing?

[wide crater]

I definitely get it bro. What content are you doing if you dont mind me asking. Cus remember as long as you arent getting smited you get 4 items free

[west bough]

this particular case is for wildy agility, my other 3 items are crystal top/bottom and a bowfa

[winged thorn]

That’s a deterrent if I’ve ever seen one

[west bough]

yeah it for sure is. I win a lot of fights off gear diff alone tbh lmao

[wide crater]

Oh ok, yeah id just go voidwaker ngl

[west bough]

like no skill, I just run them out of brews through pray range

[wide crater]

Your crystal and bowfa shred so much you can do mad dps through prayer and the guaranteed hit from vw could be crucial

[winged thorn]

Agree with above , either way your bowfa setup helps you get into a KO situation

[wide crater]

The only reason I say vw over ags in this scenario is strictly bc you said no skill. If you were comfortable with 1t speccing id def go ags

[winged thorn]

Unless they’re just a megatron then they’ll out dps anyone

[echo sail]

yo guys i have some mid stats like 64 strenght , 65 range , 65 magic and i wanna run some wildernes for loot , xp , some pvp but i dont know what gear i should pick but i dont wanna spend much money cuz i dont have a lot of money

[west bough]

hmm. tbh I should practice 1t speccing more, I try to do it but I'm not always on the ball with it especially if I'm trying to venge as well

I already have the VW, but maybe I buy the AGS and try a couple trips with it and see what I settle on. it's not that expensive after all, I'd lose a minimal amount selling it back

[wide crater]

If you can 1t spec you will get a lot more bigger k0s but youll also still hit 0s with ags so keep that in mind. But its super satisfying getting a 60m kill on a 73 hitsplat lmfao

[west bough]

yeah the 0s from ags I imagine can be frustrating

[wide crater]

Ima be 100% honest, youll have a tough time with the pvp part with those stats, because other accounts in your combat bracket are built for killing you specifically. Especially without having the magic level for tele blocking or freezing youre at a massive disadvantage. Even if somehow your rng pops off and you out dps theyll just leave. As far as content/money slayer caves and revs are gonna be your best bet. Revs youll get a lot more pkers that are good but its 1v1 slayer caves is multi so clans. Until you level up a bit id pick mobs in one of those 2 places and just try to worry about getting out with monetary gains

[west bough]

there's a fair few low combat pkers in the rev caves so I'd be careful with that. I've lost count how many times one of them has tried to attack me only to realize the level gap is too big. I think they mostly kill bots, but they'd definitely be a threat still

[wide crater]

Yea for sure but at least if he gets diaries done he can tele lol

[west bough]

wildy slayer is excellent exp per hour if you survive, and the caves don't see as much traffic but as mentioned it's all multi so you can get teams. mostly solo pkers still, but I've definitely had duos/teams roll up on me before

oh yeah the diary is crucial

[granite sphinx]

fight pits stream HYPE

[wide crater]

@echo sail what kind of bank are you working with? Slayer caves you can use pretty much any weapons etc can bolt mage or melee, revs you generally want one of the wildy weapons but you can get away with an msb or something. Kills are just gonna take a lot longer unless youre at purefiends or other low levels

[echo sail]

i have around 30m

[echo sail]

yea they were destroying me so much

i need to work on mage

[wide crater]

You could run like black hides snakeskin helm and boots avarice, and bracelet of ethereum and kill revenant pyrefiends pretty easily andnmake a good chunk of change, find an empty world, have your glory set to one click tele, and just dip out if anyone comes. With that setup your protect your avarice on death, and even if you get smited its like 600k tops

[echo sail]

what about hobgoblin?

is it worth to kill them?

[safe marten]

Just realized I can no longer react to messages. Why is Big PVM holding me down like this

[winged thorn]

I got my craw bow on my old iron from hobs so why not

Before the slayer changes etc

[echo sail]

i was watching someone ytbh video that he got pk acc in 1 day and he had insane pulls

in 24h

[iron cobalt]

hey

[echo sail]

i cant get it rn?

[wide crater]

Not sure tbh idk how viable it is with msb. I jumped straight to dark beasts with webweaver lol

[wide crater]

You def can. Revs works on a revolving system. Youre gonna have different drop rates based on whether or not you’re skulled and whether or not youre on a slayer task.

[wraith panther]

LMS is kinda tough on newer pkers lol, speaking as one.

the tribridding is a little daunting and then when my opponent is DDing, assuming with runelite hider and can swap based on what im switching. yuck

big learning curve

[winged thorn]

Veng + bolt isn’t a bad option if you feel overwhelmed

You’re at a big disadvantage because no freeze but at least you only have to worry about prayer & bolting

[winged thorn]

You can

[tropic root]

Castle Wars is a way simpler more casual noob-friendly form of PvP

Soul Wars too

You can kinda hide behind your other teammates and use ranged :)

[tropic root]

Around half of suggestion threads in game suggestions are now PvP concerns and ideas :)

[iron cobalt]

Almost like the actual pvp discord

That they discontinued 2 years ago

[silk rapids]

yooo we actually talking in here. love to see it

[wide crater]

Who is we? First time i seen you noob

[wraith panther]

I'll have to try that. I felt freezes were so crucial in the fights though. Got my 75 points for rune pouch and will be back eventually. Pure bracket was the most fun

[wraith panther]

ahh I don't want free hits lmao, im down to learn but felt LMS was pretty rough to start.

Got my kills eventually

[next sequoia]

From what I understand, the pvp discord's purpose was to give feedback on updates that jagex were anticipating/working on at the time, nothing else. Which were Pvp Arena, Wildy boss rework, and maybe dmm back then.
It strayed off course where the pvp community was sharing feedback/concerns on pvp as a whole, what issues were going on, how to revive the wilderness, etc. I suppose jagex wasn't intending on the discord being used for that.

Would be cool to see them open up that discord again someday, I'm still in there as one of their contributors. Maybe they can be more clear at what their intentions for that discord are and what they want from contributors, but also have a dedicated time and discussion for feedback surrounding the wilderness as a whole.

[next sequoia]

👀

[glacial gate]

or adding more pvpers to the chat.

[tropic root]

It's kinda odd that they wouldn't be open to ideas for reviving the wilderness

Like don't get me wrong the boss reworks are much much nicer than they were initially

But that kinda thing isn't what's going to grow the declining pvp community, and what we really want is to make the whole system succeed

[glacial gate]

Wildy bosses rework was quite lit for the first month or so out there. But the items were also highly valued and provided the incentive to be there. Now the items are all but valueless besides the gem from ven and even thats only like what. 30 mil? If even?

[tropic root]

You talk like 30m is nothing

But yea I get the message the drop tables are lacking

[glacial gate]

Fair lol perhaps i should respect the 30 mil more. XD

[tropic root]

It's nothing if you run raids every day but for Mid-level players it's nice

[glacial gate]

Totally fair. Sucks the highest level content out there is a mid level moneymaker 🙁

Aside from pking obv.

[wide crater]

I mean part of that is because of botting, and part of that is bc every new piece of content is a bigger money maker than the last. I think it was about a year ago and venenatis was top 4 money maker right behind colosseum and duo nex at 7.7m/hour. and for the requirements needed to do it, thats pretty damn good. Its still sitting around 4-5m i beliebe

[next sequoia]

Yep

I wish there was an endgame wilderness update. Something that makes people aspire to reaching that content, just like how people build their account up to raid. A wilderness elite diary update that's super good money. Wouldn't be botted.

Pretty sure even pures can get wilderness elite diary completed. Requires no defense

Just super high skilling requirements

[next sequoia]

4-5M only when you get the voidwaker gem, right? Otherwise it's worse gp per hour

[wide crater]

I mean yeah, but thats how every boss gp/hr is calculated is with uniques

[next sequoia]

Wilderness shouldn't have to be that way imo.

But whatever

If venenatis was good, you'd see it packed out there. But it's not

Empty world after empty world

[glacial gate]

5.6m which isn't bad gp/hr dont get me wrong but still for in the wilderness like why would you even go there to make money type shit lol

[next sequoia]

^ that just shows me wilderness methods are failing to keep up with the modernization of the game. Part of the reason why multi revs was so successful back then was because it was competitive with the money making methods at the time. The game has changed since then

And wildy methods are lackluster

[glacial gate]

freaking this exactly

[next sequoia]

It's not rocket science.

[glacial gate]

id rather cut raw marlin

or smith oathplate

[next sequoia]

Which is consistently better money per hour than wilderness bosses. Laughable.

[cloud hatch]

New players just don't care to risk their time in the wilderness. Until your account gets to cb 100+, you have to deal with other accounts that are specifically built for killing. A new players level 70-90 account that is base 60-70 is just going to get smoked by anything that can attack it. They go out there, get rinsed 4-5 times and then don't bother again.

[wide crater]

Oh yeah i agree 1000% it should be well at those numbers before uniques

[glacial gate]

Yeah so many people play low level specific pk accounts. I just do main myself but like its commonplace for people to have multiple bracketed accounts.

I can totally agree w/ that

[next sequoia]

They don't care to because the risk outweighs the reward. It's one thing risking your time but being rewarded for doing it (which makes dying less grueling and punishing), and another risking your time in the current wilderness for lackluster reward.

[glacial gate]

If wilderness had good incintives gp wise though they would be swayed guranteed.

[next sequoia]

It's no wonder people are sick of the wilderness, it kinda sucks....

Nothing is exciting or fun

[glacial gate]

Like fuck giving us nonstop blighted supply drops of fish we don't even use anymore. And quit worrying about catering to ironmen who will complain about a wilderness unique. Give the MAINS content for the wilderness ffs

[next sequoia]

Oh man... I just died but I've made 6M so far in an hour. I'm gonna go back out

[wide crater]

Legit only ppl i see at multi bosses besides vetion are ppl that already pk and are pretty damn ready to anti with their elys and hallys lmao

And obv massing callisto

[glacial gate]

however many real people that may be is yet to be determined LOL

[wide crater]

I cant even pk singles bosses hardly anymore. Only ppl there are irons with scouts that tele out as soon as i log in, and ppl that play this game 24/7 that are hunting pkers like me 😂

[glacial gate]

this was og revs to me. oh no i just lost a mil to dying. good thing ive banked 10m in bags time to regear.

[next sequoia]

Even if they made a hard diary Minimum requirement for a decently good money maker in the wilderness, bots would need to get: 55 mining, 75 smithing, 53 fishing, 64 agility, 66 magic, 68 slayer, 67 hunter, 61 woodcutting before they can even TRY botting it.

Do you guys see bots at calvarian and spindle or artio anymore? I bet you don't.

[glacial gate]

just add captchas to the boss cave

[wide crater]

No thats exactly my point, bots lowkey help wildy. At least in my eyes. Theyve got pros and cons, but when bots are active new ppl try to kill them and the food chain commences. Right now its just very few new bloods, lots of average pkers and then the few in the 1%. Even a lot og the average pvpers dont wanna fight each other so its left kinda dead. Certain places a little harder to fight cus you gotta worry about multibaited and maces 😝 i have been out for the last 4 hours and have had 3 fights

And 2/3 the people ran and 1/3 bro pjd me immediately after i killed 3 ppl and i had no solid food left cus i dropped it to pick up the items they dropped 😂

[next sequoia]

Sounds about right

[cloud hatch]

Even if it was 10m an hour people wouldn't do it. When I was farming spindel on my baby pure, it was the same 15-20 names who would drop in wearing wearing 20-30m in risk. As soon as they see they can't attack me, they hop. 10-15 minutes later, they are back. These people aren't out there looking for good fights, they are looking for free kills. The average player isn't going to bring that sort of gear out there for an even fight and few of them even have any idea of how to hold their own. They might go do it for the first few weeks because it's new content, but it gets old pretty quick only dealing with fights that, at best, you can only hope to escape from.

[next sequoia]

See I just disagree with that. I don't believe that, nor has jagex even ever experimented with something like that? So how can you say that for certain that nobody would do a money making method that's 10m per hour. That's absurd

[wide crater]

Spindel has never been super popular tho, venenatis was because ppl could do it with a team. The price absolutely drove down activity there, even 6 months ago i couldnt hop worlds without finding someone. Obv including bots

[next sequoia]

Maybe you wouldn't. There's a lot that would

[cloud hatch]

Half the people in my clan drop clues that have wilderness steps, people ain't interested in the wilderness

[next sequoia]

So bloody what???

Because its not worth their time

[wide crater]

Lolol we literally had a whole discussion about that yesterday

[next sequoia]

Alright. We can agree to disagree, I'm kinda over it lol

[wide crater]

Its what were talking about right niw

If wildy clue steps had incentives over regular clue steps ppl would do it

[wide crater]

Im agreeing with you fyi idk if that was to me 😂

[next sequoia]

Not to you

[cloud hatch]

The pvp community killed itself in this game

And it was never designed to be fair

[next sequoia]

[wide crater]

Pvp is plenty fair

Nobody had an advantage over me in any way shape or form except for ping. Unskulled pvmers will ALWAYS have an advantage over the average pker that isnt even a debate so im not sure what your argument is there

[cloud hatch]

Yes, a 1v1 random encounter is fine. Having someone with 2-3 scouts, multiple accounts in different brackets and wearing max gear for pvp and spend time hoping around looking for anything that is attackable isn't really what most people want to sign up for.

[next sequoia]

They sign up for that as soon as they click confirm on that warning message jumping the ditch or exiting ferox.
Sorry but the wilderness will never be a place for efficiency.

Now what jagex can do is design future content for those types of players in mind such as escape options (or maybe even tank gear that's charged with a minimum risk). Wilderness will never cater to people who feel entitled of "wanting to farm an activity uninterrupted

[wide crater]

Just bc they dont want a fight doesnt make it unfair tho. A lack of skill does not equate to lack of fairness. Just because someone is unable to beat someone at any given moment doesnt make it unfair, thats a wild argument imo. Also 99% of people with 2-3 scouts and multiple accounts in diff brackets in max gear arent looking for anything they can attack. Those are the guys that are hunting the pkers

Nobody cares about a clue scroller with 100k. I rarely actively hunt pvmers but if im looking for a fight and happen to come across a pvmer or clue scroller i will kill them.

Just to be clear before it becomes an argument, im not saying that doesnt happen, but its certainly not the majority

[glacial gate]

Let someone roll up in max to pk me. Ill happily risk my 2mil for a chance at their bil set. The fuck. i live for those moments.

[next sequoia]

That's the cool thing about anti pking. It has potential to buff whatever GP per hour you're making.

If you're catching chins for 1.4M per hour and some nooby pker comes along, and you anti pk him, now you've made however much more to your gp. Or you could anti pk a 10M kill. Now you've made 11.4M that hour. It just takes practice

But people don't want to bother trying

All of a sudden, instead of boring monotonous hunter training, you find yourself hoping and waiting for someone to come attack you. Because its sporatic and unpredictable and there's a chance that you make a lot of gp

[wide crater]

That exactly^

Ill be doing whatever activity make a few mill, i could not care less if i risk the money ive made if they have decent gear im sending it. Kid got me recently for 13m after several hours of wildy agility. Came back an hour later and i got him for 16m so even with the death i was still up

LOL i finally found a fight and mu wifi resets in the midfle

[brazen fox]

Legit 😂 😂 gimme that ags opportunity any day
My boy pkd this guy who was multi baiting 😂

[brazen fox]

U don’t need to risk anything as an anti pker to outgear 20-30m risk

U protect 3 more items than they do

[tropic root]

I think @cloud hatch has the better understanding here of what's limiting new blood from trying and staying in the wilderness

And everyone is just choosing not to emphasize with the other perspective

It's the usual reddit thing of "if you don't like it, stay out"

"wow now it's empty"

[tropic root]

The simple truth is skulling is gambling or it's like poker

Yeah you can learn it and gamble

But most of us aren't interested in gambling

[wide crater]

i mean i can kinda see the gambling argument bc of rng but idk if id take it that far. if we were talking about deathmatching then yea, but its not really a gamble when there is a lot of skill involved kwim?

the only real gamble there is "is this guy better than me or not"

[west bough]

tbf while this is true, it's kind of awkward to gear up to anti if you're also trying to do PvM. you have to sacrifice some DPS to take along say, an AGS or VW over something like a Torture. and the more you split your gear to take PvM stuff, the worse your anti setup is and vice-versa. not to mention which spellbook you're on, and whether you need to bring swaps over supplies, etc. now if you're purely anti-ing that's another story, but I think most people aren't

it's why I like wildy agility tbh, because it doesn't fundamentally require any gear and only requires minimal inventory space, so I can bring a pure anti setup and be as strong as possible. but I think that's the only activity in the wilderness that's like that

[brazen fox]

torture is useless anyway its basically str ammy

but ye i get the overall point

[west bough]

yeah it was just an example, basically what I mean is you're removing a PvM risk slot in favour of a PvP one and that has consequences for your efficiency

sometimes also you might just be better off trying to tank a TB (ie bring more brews as opposed to gear) instead of trying to anti someone

[wide crater]

i definitely understand that logic for sure, but we had the same discussion yesterday. 90% of the time if you max your dps for a boss you can still shred through prayer in a 1v1. on the same note, theres not a single boss that requires max dps to kill efficiently so gearing for anti sacrifices 5-10 seconds per kill, but you have the k0 potential to win a fight and survive with more gp now. but yes tanking is also a solid option like prayer training for example

[west bough]

fair enough, yeah. though for the average player who isn't good at PvP, I'd say that taking a fight and trying to anti is probably their least favoured option. because you're fairly likely to die if the other player is more skilled, and it's quite unlikely that you'll win a fight if the other player is vastly more skilled than you, so they'd rather just tp or try to escape. anti-ing requires quite a different mentality imo

[wide crater]

Yea youre absolutely right, i agree with that 1000%. That is 100% the reason i share not just my wins, but also my losses too. I want any non pvper that sees that to be like oh shit people that do this every day plank to literally 0 switches lmao

But realistically not fighting you’re still just as likely to die, so my logic is to send it lmao

[west bough]

I will say that wildy rewards are in a pretty bad place though. I know that shit gets botted but it's kind of a joke that killing a perfectly safe midgame boss like Vork is better than like every wildy method out there right now. like I do Revs because I enjoy it, but realistically it's not actually efficient for me to be doing, which is kind of sad

[wide crater]

Nah yeah that part is 100% bullshit

I used to go camp venenatis when id get bored and couldnt find people to fight or kill, now even with lack of activity i still make more pking

[west bough]

yeah VW at sub 40m is a joke

I wonder if adding VW to the GE item sink list would help at all

[wide crater]

LOL it would since it’s wildly popular in multi too. People lose voidwakers everyday, its only really irons that actually have to do the boss to get it tho.

[west bough]

I actually wonder why they haven't added it tbh, along with the rev weapons

[wide crater]

Tbh i didnt know there was an actual list of items that are a part of the sink

[west bough]

o yeah there is. it's mostly raids items and some other relatively rare unique drops

[jade ledge]

Nice contrast in voters @icy elm #1484896989664514198

🥲

[glacial gate]

jeeze bro fuck yeah lol

[jade ledge]

Banned for RWT next day!

[brazen fox]

lmaoo nah he was on multi trip, was legit

[tropic root]

I was surprised to see ags is only 8m now

[jade ledge]

Ikr, js lol. False bans are wild sometimes, or goldfarmers mass reporting etc

[icy elm]

I dont give a damn. The fact that theres 1:2 vote ratio speaks a lot.

its something expected to happen

[jade ledge]

Yeap

Babyfied community

[tropic root]

This is a clear example of mice will only vote in favor of mice, and cats will only vote in favor of cats

But it's a game integrity issue

[glacial gate]

Not a single person who has pked downvoted the post i'd about put money on.

[winged thorn]

That’s what I signed up for lol

[glacial gate]

I pray they hit me tf lol

[winged thorn]

Swear ppl just forget revs existed or they didn’t pk then. I wanna hop down the list of worlds at a loc and have stuff to fight every world man. PLS

[jade ledge]

If you haven't seen this one, please check it out as well #1484661618531897364

[tropic root]

?

[forest kraken]

Bro this is it

People think we want revs back for gold farming or protection clans

They don’t know how fucking good hopping down the revs list was

Fights in every single world

[winged thorn]

Protection clans mean action man

Even if they existed go fight them

[forest kraken]

It’s cringe action tho

Like fighting eop or rev

Bunch of people in staff rag and addy crossbows endlessly returning

Nty

Rather good clean action with peoppe who are risking

Should be a 300-500k min risk requirement to enter the multi cave otherwise you lose the rest from your bank

[glacial gate]

the 100k fee is outdated but i believe that could be adressed the same time we pushed it to multi

[tropic root]

the game jam mentioned scaling the fee by achievement diary

500k fee no diary

[forest kraken]

Something. Like that would be good

Because the raggers are what made the protection clans so good, and the protection clans are mainly why they got rid of revs

That and gold farming but you can’t base removing content purely on gold farmers

[glacial gate]

which was so silly. only total level worlds were held down leaving 200+ worlds of open terrain for people.

[granite sphinx]

Yeah the fact they shut it down over a handful of worlds being protected is lame as hell

[winged thorn]

That’s not necessarily unique to just rev caves but I know what you are saying. I don’t personally perceive that as an issue because I’d take it over what’s out there currently

[minor aspen]

I hate the idea of gold fees for entry 🤢

[glacial gate]

theyll never add another 72k system to game so its the best we got lol

[tropic root]

why so?

[minor aspen]

I don’t like that type of barrier for entry

Having an area multi already makes it dangerous enough

[tropic root]

ah I see

[forest kraken]

yes but its worse i the rev caves because you cant just move location

if youre getting raggged by a clan at ca you can just move to castle

but yse I agree ragging anywhere is a problem

[glacial gate]

theres only hundreds of other worlds to hop to.

ragging sucks point blank period dont get me wrong.

[forest kraken]

also no ones going to return for 4 days ragging you at ca

becasue theyre not makign enough gp to earn a living from doing so

whereas they were from protection revs

but yeah it boils down to ragging needs to be addressed in some way

[naive ore]

the gold farming rev protection clans were not just locking down couple worlds they hopped to 50+ world if one of the players called they saw someone in same cave as they were

[forest kraken]

whats the solution then

how else do you stop raggers

[minor aspen]

dont play with them

[forest kraken]

?

[minor aspen]

like, go somewhere else - or find a solution in numbers or strategy

[naive ore]

people killing revs in 50+ worlds and if someone saw anyone not part of the protection group they would send 10+ salad/mystic robe people to make them leave caves

[granite sphinx]

This isn’t even “locking down” then this is just pking lmao

[forest kraken]

spoken like someone who has clearly never fought a ragging clan

[minor aspen]

well it's a waste of time

[forest kraken]

exactly why its a problem

because you can't win

[granite sphinx]

Not to mention 50 worlds is still not a problem when we now have like 200 worlds lol

[naive ore]

its not pking if they just keep freezing and teleblocking you asking you to pay for off

[minor aspen]

you dont have to take those fights

[granite sphinx]

Still is pking but in that case they’re not even killing you?

[minor aspen]

if you cant win or dont want to fight it

[forest kraken]

youre not using your brain.

we're talking about why are protection clans a problem. Theyre a prlblem because they break the food chain asin no one can beat them. So they run the cave and cant be controlled by jagex therefore generate too much gold

that's the problem

im not asking how to beat them

[minor aspen]

thats not a break in the foodchain, its just a peak of it

[forest kraken]

yeah im saying thats not good

[minor aspen]

if no one can beat you youre the alpha

[forest kraken]

youre the alpha because youre unemployed and can return for a week straight in 1 item?

right

[minor aspen]

king of the jungle

[granite sphinx]

Yeah I’d agree it’s not really the alpha, it’s not that people can’t beat you, it’s more why would they want to bother beating you when it’s just a waste of time and money lol

[minor aspen]

if you can organize your clan like that yeah

[forest kraken]

again spoken like somene whos never played against a ragging clan

[minor aspen]

yeah different strategies to get to the top

like you can cheat to get to the top, but its not a good look

[granite sphinx]

I mean it isn’t really the top if you have 5,000 deaths and then the other team all just walked or teled out cuz it’s boring

[forest kraken]

you think the people froma 3rd world country earning a living from being ina protection clan care about the look?

and you think thats a good thing for the game?

[minor aspen]

its the top as in, youre in control of the area

not top as in "you are the most skilled" or specifics like that

[granite sphinx]

Ahh I see - yeah definitely should be entrance fees in place for multi revs still

Otherwise kinda a waste of an update

[minor aspen]

like in rust you dont have to be good to control a monument, you can just have numbers and respawns

[halcyon kraken]

Awful design 🤢

[forest kraken]

🤡

literally the reason jagex got rid of multi revs

[minor aspen]

sorry i love rust ❤️

[minor aspen]

thats fine, im just saying its a bad reason

imo

[forest kraken]

and you're wrong

[granite sphinx]

Bad reason to get rid of it entirely absolutely, shoulda just added entrance fee

[forest kraken]

you havnt provided 1 good argument

as to why there should be raggers in the rev cave

[glacial gate]

oh you got hopped in on by a group? Dang thats called pking.

[minor aspen]

im not saying there should be, im saying there will be, and thats ok bcuz its a sandbox

i dont like jagex being police helicopter mom

[winged thorn]

How many people do you think are required to protect 50 worlds?

[glacial gate]

We used to ballista rush worlds to in a small friend group. Was that also a clan holding down worlds hopping in on you? Or was it just 5 dudes ballying having a good time whooping pkers/pvmers?

[winged thorn]

This guy knows what MMO means

Player ran game systems* are sick

[forest kraken]

wtf am i reading lmao

this is why the pvp community will continue to get no updates

0 brains

'yeah 3rd world gold farming ragging clans are good becauses it's an MMO!!!!!'

[winged thorn]

If you approach it logically instead of emotionally you may see why this position is held.
The same systems exist in raids & barbarian assault, for example

Neither are removed because of player ran systems

[forest kraken]

but there's no logic in it whatsoever?

it's purely bad for the games health in literally every way

[winged thorn]

Should people not be allowed to boost for raids or torso then?

[forest kraken]

it ruins the conomy, ruins legit player experience, destroys integrity and its embarassing

[forest kraken]

wtf has that got to do with it

biggest strawman ive seen in a while

gz

[winged thorn]

Idk if strawman as I provided 2 examples

[forest kraken]

raids dont ruin anyone elses experience

they dont ruin the economy

andn therer not embarassing from an otuside poiv

[winged thorn]

Mega scaling for irons is kind of embarrassing

[forest kraken]

it takes a lot of skill to set up

yeah it shouldnt be in the game and I agrtee

but its certainly not easy

unlike 1 item ragging

[glacial gate]

it takes a lot of skill to have a dude in shayzien stack up the shamans and mages then surviving a scaled olm with 100 pots on the ground really?

[naive ore]

the biggest difference is that services cannot prevent others from doing the content without paying. imagine if you were trying to raid and had to pay 5mil for 2 hours of access

[glacial gate]

Dang i wish i knew where it took the skill at so i could go do it better.

[forest kraken]

lmao I wanna see ur account now

I bet ur have like 100 cox kc and thats it

[glacial gate]

literally lookup my name

[forest kraken]

'mega scales are so easy'

[winged thorn]

How many people do you think are required to totally lock down 50 worlds?

[glacial gate]

nah lets do this

whatsup bro

[forest kraken]

yeah as i expected

[winged thorn]

How many people would then be required to lock down all the worlds & singles, as some have speculated

[forest kraken]

literal beginner

[naive ore]

hundreds to protect worlds, tens if it just driving away players who are not paying

[glacial gate]

1282 kc is beginner?

[forest kraken]

ur not good brotha

put it that way

[glacial gate]

1282 kc is beginner?

[winged thorn]

If a clan can organize that, good stuff imo

[brazen fox]

Gm coxcord

[winged thorn]

Hundreds of ppl lol

[naive ore]

they have 100+ players killing revs and few who hop to harash anyone who is not part of the cc

[forest kraken]

yeah good stuff to be real world trading and ruining normal players experience

again, why the pvp community just isnt going to get updates

[winged thorn]

Rwt isn’t my problem it’s Jagex’s

[glacial gate]

dang brother i got 400 more kc than you

[tropic root]

1 odablock

[glacial gate]

You must suck lol

[forest kraken]

thats my iron

[winged thorn]

Also how are you gonna accuse me of strawman when you strawman’d 2/3 & his cox kc

[forest kraken]

?

[naive ore]

pvp clans or even teams could easily get couple free kills from the people paying the fee since it was not full protection but anyone trying to do the content would be driven away in few minutes

[forest kraken]

u think my iron is all my cox kc?

use ur brain pal

[halcyon kraken]

You’re gonna have to s/s logs now

[glacial gate]

Post your wilderness kills after

i wanna see somethin

[forest kraken]

u said mega scales are easy

im saying u havnt done higher thana 3+4

so u cant talk

[glacial gate]

Done more than you? 😄

[winged thorn]

I didn’t say they were easy, I also don’t think 2/3 brought up mega scales

It’s just an equal equivalent

[forest kraken]

whos taling to u>

[glacial gate]

I said setting up shamans/mystics was easy lol

because it is? 😄

[winged thorn]

Well we are having a discussion

Why are you so aggro?

[glacial gate]

Hes angry i have more cox kc or something

no need to be mad is only game

[forest kraken]

yeah sure

[brazen fox]

my man slowly admitting he sells/sold cox boosting services or what

someone fill me in

[forest kraken]

anyone whos tried doing megas knows theyre not easy as hes making out

especially when u have ppl waiting for you

[winged thorn]

I only brought up mega scales because it’s an equivalent to ppl paying for an in game service ran by players

[glacial gate]

so no wilderness kills posting?

🙁

[forest kraken]

except mega scales are very difficult, dont contribute to rwt and dont ruin anyone elses gameplay

so its not comparable

[winged thorn]

Are you sure they don’t contribute to rwt?

Idk how anyone could say that for certain

[forest kraken]

im sure some do but on the whole they dont

every proteciton clan directly feeds rwt

just by the nature of how easy it is

[winged thorn]

Sounds like a jaggy problem

& not something the rest of the playerbase should be punished for

[forest kraken]

also agreed

but youre ignoring the other points I also made

its just one layer of the onion

[granite sphinx]

Protection clans are totally fine, I just think like a 100-200k entrance fee is also fine to put on multi revs cuz literally why not, people bringing 5x that in brews/restores anyway lol

[forest kraken]

theyre totally fine but thats why jagex removed multi revs

so itll get us nowhere to ignore that

also I disagree

they ruin the game

[winged thorn]

But even Jagex agreed that their actions were hasty

[forest kraken]

yeah

[winged thorn]

They should’ve punished rwt & not everyone else

[forest kraken]

again agreed

they shouldve added a entry fee

[glacial gate]

nah he just made that shit up lol. Like the irons paying in discords for scales via paypal lmao

[winged thorn]

Why would anyone rwt after selling torsos? You mean 50m for 15 minutes of work…?

[granite sphinx]

That’s what the entrance fee is for lol

[forest kraken]

plenty of those service discordfds compy with tos

[winged thorn]

[granite sphinx]

That is addressing it

[forest kraken]

evena bunch of ppl linked with jagex are part of them

[granite sphinx]

Protection clans are fine, them literally risking an addy cbow and nothing else isn’t

[winged thorn]

I can agree with this

[glacial gate]

Agreed

[forest kraken]

well you think there would be protrection clans if they couldnt do that?

[granite sphinx]

Absolutely

[forest kraken]

the whole premise of the protection clan is to fatigue your openent over multi hours fo returning

if they lose 500k each time they die they cant do that

[granite sphinx]

Maybe that’s your idea lol

[glacial gate]

Yeah you just made that shit up too

[forest kraken]

thats literally what they did?

[granite sphinx]

Actual good multi teams I’m sure would still have them

[forest kraken]

no organised multi team will stay fighting them for 3 days

[winged thorn]

But also, like mentioned before: it’s not unique to revs. Some clans only rag, we can all think of one I’m sure.
It sounds like you’d rather just see them banned/punished individually lol

[forest kraken]

just showing you have 0 clue about what actually happened and the issues that caused the removal

these guys would return for literally days with hundreds of people

[winged thorn]

The specific gear a team was using isn’t why revs were removed lol

[forest kraken]

until the aggressors would jsut give up and leave

[winged thorn]

Sounds like fun

If those hundreds of ppl wanted to fight, why are you stopping them?

[forest kraken]

in 1 item? Shows the type of pker u are

[winged thorn]

It’s not 1 item though

All those fights were addy rag

[granite sphinx]

Yeah man I remember lmao

[winged thorn]

Sure if you don’t like addy, stop returning

But like, I wanna fight

Idc if it’s max or addy

Why stop me?

[forest kraken]

u wanna fight raggers

[winged thorn]

Who am I hurting?

[forest kraken]

go to ca brotha

[winged thorn]

No lol

I want multi revs

[granite sphinx]

Who in gods name is pking at ca lol

[forest kraken]

raggers

[winged thorn]

Have you ever considered that maybe they’re new?

You see salad & immediately assume rag

[forest kraken]

whos talking about salad robes

[winged thorn]

Couldn’t it be that the next option is 65k more?

You’re so aggro lol

[forest kraken]

im talking about the air staff addy crosssbow clans

[winged thorn]

Imma afk & let you chill tbh

[forest kraken]

you're saying we need to add back a system that supports rwt, ruining everyone elses experience and is uncontrollable by jagex and just saying 'I want multi revs'

at least give some logical argument

[granite sphinx]

I just think banjo has kind of a one dimensional view of the game lol. “Protection clan” can mean more than just endlessly 1 item rag retuning for days, can also warp into stuff more similar to Wildy agility masses etc

This stuff is kinda dynamic

[forest kraken]

thats not what im talking about

were talking about the multi rev protection clans

whic were 1 item raggers

theyd degear as soon as any proper clan came along

[winged thorn]

They’d still degear if there was a fee lol

Don’t engage if it bothers you

[forest kraken]

sure let them degear and feed me 500k every time

ill stay there for days

[granite sphinx]

Right but when I say that ofc they’d come back I mean in some capacity. Your brain just insta goes to “1 item addy cbow full snakeskin” etc lol, which if those guys die for like 100-200k who cares let them

Ragging can’t be an issue rn cuz there’s literally 200 worlds just pick a different one

[winged thorn]

Yer & if a clan has all their attention on 1 world where there’s a rag war, guess what that means!

Omgggggg wow

[forest kraken]

right were just going in circles

u guys are happy to facilitate rag clans, rwt, ruining the experience for everyone else and uncontrolled gold farming

me, jagex and most normal players arent

cya

[winged thorn]

No, that’s just Jagex’s job & not ours

[glacial gate]

Until ritzy posts kills im not gonna read his posts.

[winged thorn]

I think you confuse the 2

Nice cox kc l

[glacial gate]

Im gonna guess sub 1k for 2mil bet any takers?

Thanks brother i worked really hard for that kc. Only 50% higher than people who brag about theirs so you know its decent.

[granite sphinx]

Nobody is advocating for RMT 😂 if we were we’d be happy jagex keeps adding mega rares cuz that’s where most of it’s coming from anyway as far as people buying it

[winged thorn]

Saying “who cares if ppl rag” isn’t the same as saying “Jagex shouldn’t handle the ppl that rag to keep their fortune rwt business running”

Just putting words in mouths imo

[granite sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/airball-nba-brick-gif-15266795546092124798

The takes in here lookin like the above

[winged thorn]

Man that’s what dragged me into this cord in the first place: them trying to change wildy teles & completely change how multi wars are

If ppl wanna engage in that, let them

[halcyon kraken]

Do I pk at Chick-fil-A today or a Mexican restaurant

[winged thorn]

Chic-fil-a beast

Can’t go wrong

[halcyon kraken]

Great option I was already headed there

[granite sphinx]

I still am dumbfounded they went through that entire thing, realized they have no clue what they’re doing, and haven’t tried to learn any more about the topic nor thought about what content they may want to put out there lol

[winged thorn]

Imagine engaging with the community the content is for ✨

[granite sphinx]

Like do you think they were talking to the streamers saying “sorry we tried” lmao

[forest kraken]

I mean you're happy to allow RWT rag clans so it's not surprising they dont wanna engage you

[granite sphinx]

I can’t imagine who of the streamers thought that was a good idea

There’s more pvm clans that sell gp than pvp clans so the argument is kinda tired/old cba

[forest kraken]

but when its 100% of the rag rev protection clans and about 0.5% pvm clans

you dont see the clear problem there?

[winged thorn]

Saying “who cares if ppl rag” isn’t the same as saying “Jagex shouldn’t handle the ppl that rag to keep their fortune rwt business running”

I’ll repost for you

👍

Almost like: I am not the Jagex police. I am a pker who wants to pk at the place that was most active

[granite sphinx]

Not when the pvp ones make up such a small amount of it anyway no not really, if they wanted to tackle it they got a lot bigger fish to fry

Not to mention jagex themselves sells gold so I’m honestly at the point where I don’t really even care

I don’t even play at the moment so how’s it my problem lol

[forest kraken]

idc either as I'm mostly an iron, but we're in a suggestion discord pretty much pitching ideas to jagex so saying 'who cares about rwt' is jsuta terrible argument

and completely illical

illogical

[winged thorn]

You’re just confusing the 2

Because I’m not Jagex

& it’s not my job

[forest kraken]

I'm definitely not confused

you just dont make good points

[granite sphinx]

Nobody is saying that at all with our ideas

[winged thorn]

Then stop putting words into my mouth lol

Because it seems like you are based on the continued assumption that I want to enable rwt lol

[granite sphinx]

We’re getting a new raid this year any bets on what’s gonna take place there?

[winged thorn]

Definitely not rwt or scaling for purples

[granite sphinx]

Rwt/botting - who coulda guessed!

Maybe they should just cancel its development

(This is the argument u been making for the last hour)

[forest kraken]

strawman argument

[granite sphinx]

THANK YOU

[forest kraken]

no it's not

[granite sphinx]

Now you see what we’re looking at lmao

[forest kraken]

100% of what the proteciton clan does is involved with real world trading. Literally everything it represents is gold farming and selling gold. I'm proposing a fix to stop those protection rag clans.

you're saying 'remove the rev cave (raid) entirely';

it's not the same

[granite sphinx]

You’re acting like the protection clans were the only people in the rev caves

I could say 100% of the raid bot farms are rwt based as well

[forest kraken]

nah the other peoplke in the cave are already risking 500k!!!!

[granite sphinx]

So nowww gotta remove the raids

[forest kraken]

so they wouldnt need to pay it

the only people who arent are the 1 item raggers

[granite sphinx]

Bro idk if you been reading anything anyone says in here or just screaming into the void after reading 1 word but I’ve agreed they gotta add a fee lmao

[forest kraken]

.

you've all been barking at me for the last 20 minutes about how rag clans are fine and there shouldnt be a fee

thats the entire premise of this discussion

[granite sphinx]

Yeah so u just don’t read anything before like rage replying got it

[forest kraken]

i've got 3 people here who are making copletely illogical arguments

[glacial gate]

im still tryna see your kills

you saw my cox

[brazen fox]

He showed u his cmon

[glacial gate]

https://tenor.com/B2zN.gif

[minor aspen]

my humble kd on pure

[wraith panther]

I think better ways to make wilderness more inviting need to be brainstormed.

Can't just powercreep the GP/hour or lock away account staple uniques and call it a day. We end up with this same cycle and it further divides the discontentment that a lot of iron/PvMers associate with Predator/Prey feeling. The Rev cave protection situation aside (even though thats a result of the $$/hr risk/reward allure)

I LOVE the risk of the wilderness, I'm an old player, I think its a huge part of the game. But Jagex has clearly moved in a direction with Raids/PvM being their huge focus. So they need to piece together real reasons why players should be out there, and I should be out there because I'm enjoying it, not because I feel forced.

[brazen fox]

Agreed that’s why we gotta encourage people to try this stuff out tho, even if they start by bringing vw+veng into wildy. It’s free gp and they can weaponise their spite 🤣

[wraith panther]

as shit of a time the LMS stuff was for me yesterday (first exposure to PVP since like Pre-Eoc or Pure clans at OSRS start)

It was actually a lot of fun

so I think LMS is good, not vouching for any of the rewards or balancing for your time spent whatever

but it did force me to learn mechanically what i should be doing

[granite sphinx]

Until they address the problem of the pj timer essentially limiting interactions to 99% pker v pvmer (at least in singles) nothing will ever change, the only lever they can pull is gp/h. they refuse to award good xp/h in order to appease the EHP community so there isn’t really anything else to throw at it

[brazen fox]

Yee lms goated for learning, I spent a lot of time there getting initial muscle memory etc built

It’s fun and surprisingly moreish

It’s hard to say no to just 1 more game

[wraith panther]

yesssss. Got my rune pouch and was like, okay 1 more.

[brazen fox]

Beast

[wraith panther]

The timers are one thing that is more specific to the actual fighting mechanic, but on a macrocosm, I need reasons to be out there that isn't just Gp/Hr farming

[brazen fox]

I think people just get really comfy in their gameplay and pvp see as this weird, totally different thing that they def won’t enjoy

[granite sphinx]

I mean outside of love of the game, idk if they can provide that for you - like what would you be looking for outside of fun/gp as far as pking goes?

[wraith panther]

Spitballing

Maybe a scavenger hunt type of activity that forces you to run around to different sections

-Kill a bear
-Loot a chest
-do this agility shortcut

Makes players continuously rotate, and now there are a bunch of "active" areas.

[granite sphinx]

Or do you mean Wildy in general, like account progression wise

[brazen fox]

I mean personally that’s where I started 🤷 then I got super into it and realised the diversity of gameplay is orders of magnitude higher than pvm content

[granite sphinx]

Feel like the noobs would hate that