pvp-discussion

[minor aspen]

Yeah i have a suggestion in on the discord and it’s how you would think:)

[winged thorn]

Mind linking it? I am curious

[halcyon kraken]

Using a scout and player alarm and still dying is the true talent

[granite sphinx]

gm pvpcord

[minor aspen]

https://discordapp.com/channels/324132423636090880/1439996447498965013

[halcyon kraken]

54 thumbs down is wild

[pallid patio]

Still in the early stages of a pvp build. Is zerker still viable or just go for a pure?

[thick moat]

i have a similar question, is a baby pure still considered one of the best ways to learn wildy pk?

am almost done building one, just need to get ranged 85 now

(hp will be a bit overleveled, likely looking at 66 cb here)

[winged thorn]

I can see the argument where it’s kind of in a gray area. It definitely has the ability to scout for you, but I guess I define scouting differently than jaggy

[winged thorn]

Zerkers are fun. Shoot for 60 atk to start imo

[winged thorn]

I think you have me blocked, but I’d get higher str before going to wild for more KO potential. 85 str & range & I would full send

[thick moat]

i unblocked you a while ago, i hella overreacted. bad day etc. we good as far as im concerned

[winged thorn]

85’s will do you solid to start

Hell with tb you could start hunting now

[thick moat]

been kinda itching to but felt like i need to have a "perfect" build to start cause im so noob

[winged thorn]

That’s fair, I’m not the best at that either when building a pk acc tbf. I normally go a bit too early. That’s also why most of my builds always end up being meds tanks or mains

But if you plan on hunting bots/pvmers to start, you don’t necessarily need a perfect acc

Just enough dps to kill

[pallid patio]

Thank you I haven’t seen too much information for them

[winged thorn]

They’ve kinda been overhyped by the 50 def accs with the moons armor

[thick moat]

med seems like something i wanna end up at eventually, once im better. just trying to keep risk low now cause im gonna plank a fuck ton and probably forget protect item haha

whered you recommend someone with my stats go for hunting bots/pvmers? thats p much exactly what i wanna do for now anyway 😆

[winged thorn]

This may surprise you, but I actually appreciate the def on a higher lvl for learning. Pures you are 1 def & wearing a trash bag for armor BUT! Not to discourage you, it is A LOT cheaper to gear a pure.
I’d hunt lower rev caves, under 30. Go to the “unpopular” spots.
If that’s dead / boring / bots are ass to KO, zombie pirates

[thick moat]

yeah its really just the cost and risk atm. have a decent main with 1.2b bank but i dont wanna lose even 10m a death or something

id say like 500-750k risk max atm without the +1 would be good

[winged thorn]

That’ll get you plenty of fire power as a pure

[latent relic]

If you don't have a 1 def pure I'd recommend starting there

Then decide if you want a zerk/moons/tank/med

[pallid patio]

Thank you

[latent relic]

Don't go above 60 attack. Like teal mentioned it's better than 50.

Personally I wouldn't take a 1 def pure or zerk/moons above 60 att

Tanks and meds to 75 is fine

[pallid patio]

Does the hit point play a big factor? A few guides mention splashing to keep the hit point lower

[winged thorn]

hp gives you combat lvls, it really depends if you are shooting for a specific cb lvl or not

[river spindle]

If you're not a very good pker, you should definitely get high HP, otherwise you'll die very easily. Low hp builds are very difficult to play, leave that for very experienced pkers

you kinda do want 94 hp asap because it is the point at which brews will heal +16 per sip, which is kinda huge

[pallid patio]

Nice thank you

[latent relic]

Build your account as if it will be 99 hp.

[pallid patio]

Thank you

[latent relic]

unless you are building some kind of novelty account

but generally you want to build it as if it will be maxed some day

60 att 99 att 1 def, 99 hp, 99 range, 99 mage, 63 prayer is 84 cmb

[pallid patio]

That what I’ve been seeing on build guides

[brazen fox]

Ranged tank supremacy

75/70/99 77 99/99

[latent relic]

Yeah those are nice but feels limited in spec options

[brazen fox]

Yeah dbow and volly basically

Ancient godsword too

Def a lot more limited

[latent relic]

1 def pures are just so much fun to singles NH on

[winged thorn]

Normies having a meltdown in #old-school because of the membership hikes. They don’t even deal with what we gotta

[latent relic]

If they are going to raise prices let us play on any character we have on jagex account but limit to one character at a time. Add in higher tiered memberships that allow 2,3,4 etc simultaneous logins

[granite sphinx]

Just brought up that price hikes are sooo bad for pvp in game updates lol

Bonds gonna hit like 20m+ and you gotta buy like 4 of them every two weeks

[fringe fjord]

Anything above 60 attack puts you in brackets where builds with defence are superior

Voids and zerks start to get good around 91 combat and you need to avoid that on a pure

[winged thorn]

Seems like quite the headache to cater to the majority of the game

[granite sphinx]

It kinda hurts to say but once in a while I get a little happy seeing the rest of the community get treated the way we do as pkers where jagex just plugs their ears and says nothing lol

[winged thorn]

Well said

[latent relic]

Have to assume based on Jagex data they didn't feel the increase would hurt them enough in cancelled memberships to hold back. Had to replace the revenue lost from mtx.

Going to suck when I have to renew my med and pures annual sub

[granite sphinx]

Just be like me and don’t

[latent relic]

But then I can't pk on them unless I bond

[granite sphinx]

TBC 3.0 is the way, could buy retail too if I even cared to try with all the money saved

[granite sphinx]

Barely anyone out there anyway just wait til we get an update in like 2031

[latent relic]

I like to just get yearly and forget about it

[granite sphinx]

We’ll be SO back

[latent relic]

I'm definitely not starting a new iron

[granite sphinx]

Yeah I feel like irons have never been in a more boring state than rn

[fringe fjord]

pkers are not affected by membership prices because we all make enough money to use bonds

sucks to be a brokie pvmer

[winged thorn]

[granite sphinx]

While true it doesn’t make spending an extra like 20% on bonds anymore enjoyable

[latent relic]

Huh?

[granite sphinx]

It also kills noob brackets cuz ur not pking that much on a lvl 60 baby pure anyway, like i used to make a bond in like 2.5 hours back when they released pking out at green dragons and i SUCKED

[latent relic]

My main has grandfather rate so doesn't impact me anyways

Only my alts

I'd still rather spend the irl money over sinking 400m osrs gp into bonds for a years membership

[winged thorn]

Yeah alts are gonna shaft ppl even more now lol

[granite sphinx]

Eh nothing to use gp on ingame anyways, absolutely not giving jagex real money for the abysmal product they been putting out lol

[fringe fjord]

if you aren't trash at pking you have so many additional funds you can't do anything with anyway that it makes no difference

besides make more alts

[winged thorn]

You are the godfather of pking

[latent relic]

Y'all got Odablock level banks or something?

[winged thorn]

One day I wanna be on your lvl.

[fringe fjord]

is rot not giving you a split

[latent relic]

How much are your sets you pk in?

[fringe fjord]

when you mace someone for their 50k gear at scorpia

[latent relic]

Must be in bowfa Virtus with that kind of bank?

[fringe fjord]

gmaul dhides dwarf helm and some other shit

probably not more than 2m usually i dont risk shit

[winged thorn]

It’s not about RoT giving splits. It’s about being out of touch lol

[latent relic]

[granite sphinx]

Correct, but it doesn’t mean that it’s fun to spend more on bonds just cuz jigglex needs more money in their pocket

[winged thorn]

There are nooobs who cannot afford to pk for profit

[halcyon kraken]

Teal is about to get bombarded thank you for the content

[granite sphinx]

Now I gotta get back out there and skulltrick another noob for his gear he just bought with bonds, so I can go buy more bonds

[winged thorn]

It seems you forget that saying all pkers have endless cash lol

[latent relic]

Or risk enough they need to pk 50 other people to replace one death

I don't care how good you are sometimes rng happens and you die

[granite sphinx]

Impossible I’ve never died (on the main)

The baits died a heffffty number of times

[fringe fjord]

veng pking is very rng based so i limit my risk and dont really need good gear for smites on my build

[latent relic]

But if your running around in 2m risk I understand not needing to worry about gp

Probably not doing very many return fights though

[fringe fjord]

is return fight slang for fighting the same sweat over again

[latent relic]

Can go positive KD in a return fight and still lose money because the keys stay on the ground lol

It's something clans do

[fringe fjord]

i dont nh

its bad for smites

[latent relic]

I don't pk for money

[fringe fjord]

i dont either but i like smite fighting

always the potential of seeing something unexpected pop up when they die

[latent relic]

Should try better sets

[fringe fjord]

and them raging at spawn afterwards

in my usual setup im risking bally and thats about it

[granite sphinx]

W rag venge fighting, not my cuppa tea but I see the vision

[latent relic]

Why rag them at spawn though? I'd rather be respectful and fight the person again in the future

[fringe fjord]

i dont

i just imagine them raging at spawn after they lose their claws

[latent relic]

I'll fight the same person NHing multiple times trying to have someone come out on top. If I win or lose I want to be able to fight them again in the future. Kind of feels like being toxic to them would hinder that

Oh you imagine them raging

I missread

Yeah feels good to get a smite

Sometimes toxic terry does need to come out tho

[fringe fjord]

i would be mad if i got smited

never happens tho

i miss having a #player name

[jade ledge]

Paying for raids content which I never do

[fringe fjord]

same people want you to not be able to do it on your pure lmao

[granite sphinx]

It is actually wild that they keep raising the price and people somehow want to gatekeep MORE content lmao

[fringe fjord]

ironmen with sub 1.8k totals and no relevant kc on anything or quiver or infernal think they're going to be invited into a multi person raid

[glacial gate]

i dont think pures should be able to do the new raid /shrug/

[fringe fjord]

whose gonna tell them that the level 80 pure with tbow has a better chance of being picked

[granite sphinx]

I don’t think they should make multi revs again

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-guy-relaxing-popcorm-popcorn-gif-26404903

[fringe fjord]

they should remove pvp in general from revs

in fact the entire rev caves should be removed

and put a chaos elly spawn every 20 square² in the wilderness

[jade ledge]

Imo I think its totally okay if theyre locked out of it, I dont do them anyway 😄

[fringe fjord]

and this version deletes your food so you can't stop it from unequiping your items

make it rot your food like the slugs in morytania

[glacial gate]

https://tenor.com/xime.gif

[fringe fjord]

also put agro skeletons in bh

those in edge were always great

[fast cradle]

oh okay thanks

[granite sphinx]

Man’s gonna have to relevel in classic tbc to be able to even find me to do somethin abt it

[low mesa]

what yall think bond prices will settle at?

[fringe fjord]

is there anything that prevents you from getting hit yourself when you use zaryte bow spec with ruby bolts

[granite sphinx]

Far too much to be worth playing the game rn

[minor aspen]

yeah i had purchased a year last summer(?), but prob wont renew unless wilderness improves

[winged thorn]

Traitor

[minor aspen]

https://x.com/Torvesta/status/2030777872411996319?s=20

Torvesta (@Torvesta)

We need to have a serious conversation..

X · Mar 8, 2026, 10:49 PM

[granite sphinx]

The pures go in the raid or revs gets the hammer

[fringe fjord]

put the raid in the rev caves

[winged thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-masa-gif-18248472898629702542

[winged thorn]

Lmfaooo

[latent relic]

Can only do so many PvP from scratches

[tropic root]

They will put the Raid in rev caves, but it's going to cost $15 to get in.

[granite sphinx]

It’s kinda rough I feel bad for pvp creators cuz there’s legit nothing to do, you fight the same fights day in and out even if you were to try and go out there, it’s boring to watch and I can’t imagine its fun to do lol

[latent relic]

Yeah it's no surprise they've had to try different things

Going out in the same set fighting the same people just isn't going to generate the same views

[winged thorn]

Streamer paradise wildy is dead? Who would’ve guessed

If they had gotten their way they would’ve killed multi too a couple months ago

Goofy ahh short sited noobs

Rant over Ty

[minor aspen]

Bring back the sparc mac tribe

[glacial gate]

i aint doing it again. done got all the legendaries and parsed. im outtie XD

[granite sphinx]

Ain’t no shot my mans gonna kill me then

https://tenor.com/view/nope-no-never-nah-naw-gif-1191255073758669162

[thick moat]

is this alright to start a bit of hunting

currently sitting at these stats

[winged thorn]

The bolts won’t work with rcb & I’d suggest maybe 50 snare sacks. You tend to splash a lot with standard spellbook & even moreso as a pure

The last thing you wanna do is run out of snares!

Otherwise, you are ready to game gamer

I love seeing ppl’s inventory setups. Always so much variety for what works for ppl & I love to see it

[thick moat]

ive just copied it from some video tbh and changed it a tiny bit (like downgrading from dragon crossbow to rcb, i dont wanna risk that much yet lol)

[winged thorn]

Don’t blame ya

[thick moat]

should i use diamond (e) or the dragonfire ones then

[winged thorn]

Dragonfires for sure

They are made with rune bolts
Diamond e’s are made with addy

You prolly know that bit but always interesting when ppl don’t

[thick moat]

yup, just wasnt sure which ones are stronger when you include the effect

not something i really had to think about before

[winged thorn]

Rev cave meta for pures were diamond e’s, most times you were going up against mains

Back when it was multi

Or maybe it wasn’t meta and I was still a turbo noob

(I still am)

[latent relic]

Looks good other than the bolts. Personally I'd bring 3 restore 1 sanfew. If you find you are running out of food in fights drop another manta for 8 brews

At your combat level I'd pk at low level revs

Youll make a decent amount gp just from their 100k rev fee

Plus drops and ether

[thick moat]

youd replace a manta with a sanfew?

[winged thorn]

I’d suggest one of the brews personally, 7 is quite a bit for starting out

[thick moat]

super dumb/noob question - whats the sanfew for?

[winged thorn]

Anti venom/poison

Could drop San few & just bring a venom++

But sanfew is both a restore & poison heal

So best of both

Also you’ll likely see some conflicting advice with your brews, this is where everyone’s own style or personal preferences really shine

[thick moat]

would you bring fewer brews mostly to save gp for supplies or cause noobs (like me ) wont know how to properly heal with em

[winged thorn]

Hmm a mix of both(?) more that sipping brews can get tough when you’re on the ropes. You have plenty of combo eats, so just save them for when you reallllly need them & focus sipping brews when you just need a bit more health to feel comfy

[thick moat]

do you try to maximize the brew heals

like, do you drink 3 then 1 restore

or just 1 brew 1 restore to top up

[winged thorn]

Depends on the situation tbh

Too many variables to say for certain imo

At a max main lvl you’re constantly sipping brews & restores not worried about the ratio

But that’s like, we are both in max

[latent relic]

4 rest/sanfew 8 brews is my pref

[thick moat]

i'll try this and see how it feels

[winged thorn]

You are ready to own

Gl hf gamer

[latent relic]

The extra sanfew lets you restore more often after brewing

So you aren't super worried about brew 3 sips one restore

Brews are good because they don't delay your next attack like hard food. On a pure though you do want more hard food for combo eats because you will take more damage and need to double eat more often

6 brews is good tho

For a baby pure

[winged thorn]

Didn’t rly think about the extra rest. Kinda figured it was just for poison, but that makes sense

[latent relic]

Yeah sanfew for poison but 4 rest feels nice so I can sip before 3 brews. 8 brews requires at least 3 but doesn't leave much flexibility

[winged thorn]

I feel that. My setup is basically the same no matter what acc or if it’s singles / multi. Always got my stam & and 2 dose anti venom++ on me

[brazen fox]

Not as big of a deal since he’s on normals and only needs to cast charge like once per min or whatever

But ye on ancients or when using surges it’s kinda comfy having excess restore doses

[winged thorn]

Pkers helping pkers 🥰

We did it

[thick moat]

why once per minute, do you lose the effect when you brew?

[latent relic]

Nah it's on a timer

As long as you don't brew your mage past 60 you are fine

Only need it at 85 for TB and 80 for charge

Surge and ancients, restoring is more important to be able to cast the best spell

That's why a lot of pures will take surge and zammy flames if using toxic staff

If brewed down cast zammy flames if not cast fire surge

[thick moat]

i dont think ive ever clicked so poorly xd

maybe i should just lms for a bit, that was embarrassing. had like half my inventory left too. just forgot what to click

literally forgot how to use a mouse

[latent relic]

Layout is not great tbh

[thick moat]

im open for suggestions. im as fresh as they come

[latent relic]

yeah doing one up with your gear to send you

[winged thorn]

Happens! Shakes are normal don’t beat yourself up too much

[thick moat]

"brain shakes" was more of an issue. i had no idea what i should click

[winged thorn]

That’s fair too

[thick moat]

other than brew ig

[latent relic]

downgear robes, ma2 cape, and boots

make sure vial smash is off

this way you can build muscle memory on the area to click for brew/restore/hard food

how you had it you need to look and find your food before eating

keep your inventory together, the random brew is for triple eat manta, brew, karam

otherwise you sip brew between your bolts to keep your hp high entire fight

there is no such thing as safing in an nh fight

you want full health if not overbrewed

[thick moat]

is it a good idea (for the beginning) to just stay in ranged gear and bolt and use the mage switch only for tb/snare

think all the options i had were a bit overwhelming probably

[latent relic]

nah you want to dd and mage

or mage then run in and bolt

[winged thorn]

as a starter?

[latent relic]

oh

[winged thorn]

i best stick to multi

[latent relic]

well

you want to swap styles

to hit off prayer

[winged thorn]

yer, thats the habit that bringing a mage spell builds

[latent relic]

practice clicking your staff switch after every bolt

[winged thorn]

just conveinent that baragge does both

[latent relic]

so you can do a two way into mage when you want

i'd also say learning with dds is easier than learning with gmaul

kind of rough gmaul without a spec bar on your staff and bow

[winged thorn]

you want multiple styles to do the most dps off prayer. u can def pk w/ just snare/tb, ranged, and your spec. ive done it on normals before. but you are going to spend a lot of time bolting on prayer which reduces your kill chance

[thick moat]

kind of rough in general switching everything + prayers feel like gmaul might be the least difficult thing

[winged thorn]

it doesnt help either in lms you cant pk w/ flames of zammy

[thick moat]

yeah i was thinking how nice it'd be if there was a safe minigame to practice with my exact setup and just click

[winged thorn]

w302 white portal

[latent relic]

don't take a robe switch then

[winged thorn]

idk how active it is w/ nhers these days

[latent relic]

go msb and robes

[river spindle]

easiest way to do some mage DPS when new is to have an accursed sceptre as your +1, then you want a DDS to go along it instead of granite maul: Accursed sceptre you just click target shoot powered staff

[latent relic]

hes 50 att

[river spindle]

he shouldn't be

go 60.

[latent relic]

i get why he is tho

[winged thorn]

i respect it fk 50 atk

[latent relic]

low lvl baby pure

[thick moat]

yeah it sounded like baby pure was the way to learn pking

[river spindle]

oh yeah sure, for low lvl baby pures the 50 attack makes sense for a while

until higher lvl

[thick moat]

i dont particularly care about the bracket, i just wanna get my feet wet and not lose millions right away

but if theres a better way to learn, im all for it

[winged thorn]

flames of zammy may be old tech now that the accursed sceptre exists

[river spindle]

DDS is the most fun and it's a lot easier to use than Gmaul (also crazy cheap..)

[latent relic]

get 85 range to match your 85 magic

you won't gain combat lvls

outside what ever hp xp you get

[thick moat]

i will from hp :p

yeah

[latent relic]

cannon

[winged thorn]

could do with a couple hp lvls tbf

but is up to you

[latent relic]

yeah 72 would be fine

[thick moat]

cannon would cost me like 20m to get to ranged 85, didnt seem super worth it for a temporary benefit. am i wrong about that?

[latent relic]

its nto temporary benefit

[winged thorn]

lvls are forever

unless u r 13 year old me and have 98 rc & 99 rc cape on your pre eoc acc

[thick moat]

i mean i figured its temporary because hp would eventually level anyway, so wouldnt matter if i leveled ranged traditionally

[winged thorn]

[latent relic]

see how many range lvls you can gain before getting a cmb lvl

the way cmb is calculated is based on the higher of mage/range or 75% of att/str combined

math might not be perfect there

[thick moat]

(im gonna miss being this nooby and i will cringe when i look back at my questions today some day xd)

[latent relic]

on the att/str part

[winged thorn]

the same questions everyone has tbf

you will do the big own one day

and i will pog

[thick moat]

so what im getting is
get attack 60, fuck the gmaul.
also get 85 strength + range

[latent relic]

um

i'd stay 50 att and get 85 range

see what str you can get i guess

[inner dew]

dds is probably more fun factor since u can spam it but gmaul seems more broken op to me

[latent relic]

but focus on 85 range

gmaul at your cmb can one shot people with an arrow double maul

[winged thorn]

i ruined my 50 atk 99 str pure for 60 in the end tbh

[thick moat]

would you have recommended a gmauler to me if i came here with no pk account yet and asking about "whats the best way to get into it"

like if we put the clock to 0

[latent relic]

no

i'd say get 60 att if you were building your first pure

but if you can already time an arrow double maul than you good

[thick moat]

i can not xd

[latent relic]

ok

then get 60 att

[winged thorn]

i'd suggest what u r doing rn tbh. dabble w/ 50, see how you manage, consider staying 50 for eternity w. just a gmaul, and then decide if you wanna go 60

[thick moat]

[winged thorn]

most ppl will go 60 bc eternity with a gmaul is boring

[latent relic]

60 att means you can take dcb for your +1

[thick moat]

just to verify - there's no other account type thats easier and cheap to learn on, right? (if you want to do wildy pk, IE bots and pvmers and ig the occasional enemy pker)

60 attack is THE play for a total noob

[winged thorn]

i think the 1 def part is a massive learning curve. if you can learn with 1 def, you'll be fine on other accs.
but with a maxed main lets say, you can still go out in a cheap set & have sooo much more firepower. idk, im torn tbh lol

[latent relic]

i think learning on a pure dds is best

yeah but you'll need at least an ags on a main

[winged thorn]

i think for cheap fuck off 90k sets, yes, a 1 def is good to start to the journey

[latent relic]

pures force you to learn overheads

main's and meds can cheat a bit as long as they are in their tank

be in a set that you can be comfortable dieing in

alot

[thick moat]

something like this?

[latent relic]

Yeah could avoid some hp lvls to keep combat lower.

[thick moat]

appreciate the advice and patience lads. guess i'll go hit the crab for a few days and then return with more questions about setup etc

and for now go back to beating up duke cause thats nice and comfy and doesnt work my brain

[winged thorn]

np fella. happy to help

[open grove]

arkan is honestly really solid for learning, A little annoying how volatile it is but it lets you learn some lessons the hard way since you only lose 250k if you get smited

[minor aspen]

I lost my arkan a while back and haven’t bothered getting it back yet 😅 perdu needs to import some. Along with ghostly robes.

Also if i’m in budget setup i prefer tome of fire as +1

[latent relic]

Yeah I have it on my 60 att pure and use it when I fight zerks

[wide crater]

I made multiple accs for this reason, i have a 50/60/65/75 attack

[wide crater]

Were all happy to help anytime g

[jade ledge]

You could splash your mage to avoid approx 4 hp lvls. Its not much but will get u either 70,... or 71,... could be a little bit lower if you want to spend gp to cannon range.

Not too low since hp is crucial too

[scarlet tree]

Speaking of 60 atck….would be nice to be able to stack multiples the Arkan blade and Anchor in the bank like you can with the Colossal blade, needs to make that a suggestion

[wide crater]

How do you all as fellow pvpers feel about price increasing when we still arent getting updates lol

[granite sphinx]

I feel a little better since honestly nobody is getting any real content lately, every week they only drop like super minor bug fixes. So misery loves company I suppose. I unsubbed a while back because of the sheer lack of content, but the rise in price definitely doesn’t make me wanna come back any more lol

[wide crater]

Yea im jw if theres any difference in opinion between the ppl here that pvm and pvp and the ones that only pvp

[granite sphinx]

If anything else I’d think they’d be closer than ever, they’re currently kinda getting the pvp treatment (albeit kinda light) since there hasn’t been any real content updates in like 4-5 months

[naive ore]

most people who absolutely hate pvp are saying they are not getting more content worth the extra $1 increase to base price because "no one plays dmm and leagues, sailing sucks and raids is not relevant to most players"

[halcyon kraken]

The players not doing the content are also the same ones asking for more content, what a fire combination

[naive ore]

but the thing is that people are actually just mad about 12month bundle discount being cut to be closer with standard discount rates for mmos

Like complaining there is no content for pvm/players by ignoring all the big updates and jagex is not announcing every small update in summit roadmap. For pvp it is different but saying there is no content coming in general just feels so wrong

[granite sphinx]

if you're a pvper there hasnt been any content lol

im not wasting $60 a month to resub my 4 alts to afk a cow boss im sry

but that is just a waste of time and money

and outside of cow boss have there even been any updates since sailing release? Which was 2 weeks of afk salvaging then nothing else

[jade ledge]

Yeah I would think twice if I want to bond/memb up to pick up p2p pking again. I mostly play f2p. Im in the category minority though.

P2p is just a way to train accounts and if an acc is needed, then I would still reconsider bonding or so

[granite sphinx]

agreed, and with a team that is this large, we should have more than 1 content update every like 3-4 months

[naive ore]

it is true there hasnt been that much bigger updates in last 3-4 months. dmm and leagues take a lot of development time and they are working on sailing stuff, raids and grandmaster quest

[granite sphinx]

literally all of which i could not possibly care less about lol, but agreed they waste an insane amount of time on temp game modes and its starting to ruin the main game

GM quest is like what maybe 5-6 hours of content on release, and none of the rewards are actually interesting to use for pvpers so its just kinda a wasted update

[wide crater]

Not quite true, the spec wep is gonna be nasty, like a lower tier korasi

And 60 att

[granite sphinx]

oh i thought it was 75

[naive ore]

the new spec weapon will be pretty mixed opinions. technically more guaranteed damage if it successfully rolls 3-4 hits but slightly lower max hit

[halcyon kraken]

If temp game modes are actually taking excessive amounts of time to develop and make good, I would be completely fine with them shelving that shit and focusing on the actual game lmao

[naive ore]

end/start of year was a lot of sailing focus too. like next week they are adding the ship combat rework

eoc on water

[latent relic]

This should be up there with claws for spec right?

[granite sphinx]

especially for DMM just reerun old ones, theyre totally fine, but literally all pvp dev time in the past like 3-4 years has gone solely to dmm

[minor aspen]

Maybe they should remove polling, it holds them back too much in the main game.

I don’t think i’ve ever cared about anything they polled

[wide crater]

Well if i remember correctly im comparing it to korasi cus its a guaranteed hit, with some other roll to determine damage

[latent relic]

4 accuracy checks with each one adding 20% damage if passed

[wide crater]

Yea so i dont think itll be 4 hit splats like claws. I think itll be 1 hit with all 4 accuracy rolls at once if that makes sense

[latent relic]

Mhmm

Up to 170% of max hit

[wide crater]

I could be way off tho, but i think thatll def shake up pure meta

[latent relic]

I think so as well, esp if it's paired with an antler guard

[granite sphinx]

does it require the quest line to use? cuz cant pures not do the quest lol

[latent relic]

No

[granite sphinx]

phew

[latent relic]

It's a tradeable drop

[granite sphinx]

right but so is a d mace lol

[latent relic]

Hmm

[wide crater]

True

[granite sphinx]

synapse etc

[latent relic]

I hope they don't add in a new 60 att spec weapon and lock it behind a quest for mains

[wide crater]

I think theres a diff one thats quest reward thats 50 attack req

[latent relic]

Would be good for zerks and meds I guess

[wide crater]

I def read about 2 diff spec weps

[latent relic]

The upgraded staff right?

[wide crater]

Hang on lemme see if i can find the ss

[latent relic]

Well not staff but flail

Flail that's also a staff

[wide crater]

Damn i cant share photos here

@latent relic check dm i sent ss that shows both

[latent relic]

K

[wide crater]

One item is quest reward, i wouldnt imagine theyd lock both @granite sphinx

[latent relic]

Yeah seems silly to lock the other one behind quest

But wouldn't be surprised.

[minor aspen]

It’s a 2h

[latent relic]

Oh is the 60 att one also?

[minor aspen]

Yeah the 60att flail/kisten or something

[latent relic]

Hmm

[winged thorn]

Some have already said this already & I noticed it too, I just find the difference between the 2 “communities” so interesting. PvP is forgotten about, yet you have diehards that go out everyday looking for content in the wild, on multiple accs! We’ve gone through the same price hikes, and I’m sure some have called it quits (like my boy squints) because of the lack of updates, but there are still ppl who keep multiple accs bonded in spite of the lack of content

Why do ppl think PvPers are the hard ones to please? It’s the rest of the game that has been pampered

[granite sphinx]

fr i lasted a LONG time with no content coming out lol

like 4 years of nothing just making my own content lol

[winged thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/gangs-all-here-spongebob-lonely-friends-forever-alone-gif-9619934

😭

[fast cradle]

amen.

imagine if PvP had the pampering the rest of the game gets and the rest of the game was left neglected

thats how runescape would have gone without the wilderness removal in december 2007

ruined my christmas that did.... 😄 missed out on so many whip pks and stuff 😄 😄

whats more ironic is that the entire PvP content community [youtube pvp creators] created the OSRS idea and forced jagex's hand

yet PvP gets neglected

why is inflation so bad in OSRS ... safe pvm ensuring bot's do whatever to kill the economy

simple really.

If they had expanded the wilderness east into the sea and north and added content there like they have done in the rest of the game inflation would be nowhere near as bad

[hollow fiber]

I always say osrs wouldn't exist without the pvp community

[inner dew]

they are busy 'fixing' the combat in the version of the game that doesnt even have pvp 😭

[naive ore]

dont worry osrs is getting ship combat changes next week

[granite sphinx]

its the sad truth, but unfortunately theyve kinda forgotten that the past 4-5 years

[latent relic]

Free trade and OSRS

[low mesa]

Do devs want pking to die you guys think?

[inner dew]

well DMM gave us loot keys right, so its not all bad. but i havent been impressed by much else that they have done since.

[minor aspen]

wilderness battlepass for cosmetics

[low mesa]

What the meta meta NH set for rev caves on a med with 80 attack rn ?

Been seeing a lot of purging staffs and 3 item Bofa with Hali

[forest kraken]

3 price increases since removal of multi revs without a single pvp update other than BH

just give us back multi revs

[low mesa]

Serpentine helm
Fury Necklace
Crystal body
Crystal legs
Barrows gloves
Aranea boots
Ava’s assembler
Berserker ring (i)
Bow of Faerdhinen

Toxic staff of the dead
Occult necklace
Ahrim’s robetop
Ahrim’s robeskirt

Voidwaker
Noxious halberd

Something like this ?

[minor parcel]

I dont think devs or even shareholders want pvp to die. They've tried for a really long time to make osrs pvp into esports. Problem is wildy pvp has too many problems.

[spiral dock]

Does anyone else feel like the minigame spell added to all spell books threw off their barrage muscle memory? Even using the rl plugin to reorder it similar to how it was it still feels off to me.. or am I trippin

[forest kraken]

No one wants esports

Esports in MMOs does not work

Look at the state of wow pvp, it’s impossible for anyone to get into

Just give us good, fun PvP (multi revs!!!!)

[minor parcel]

The investors want esports because they see stuff like League of Legends, Overwatch previously, Smash tournaments, etc, etc and they see all the money it makes.

I reckon that's why the majority of pvp dev time has been spent on minigames and temp game modes.

[forest kraken]

Yeah probably

I think events like dmm all stars will be way more successful

For an esports game it needs to be relatively simple enough to pick up and play. Anyone can download league of legends and play. Imagine putting a complete beginner in Lms or even worse, bounty hunter/dmm. they’d have an awful time

[minor parcel]

For sure, the barrier to entry is way too high.

[latent relic]

Don't bother with occult switch, take ma2 instead of assembler, lightbearer, mages book, dfs

[tropic root]

Do people actually use mages book?

[wooden basin]

I thought book of darkness was a cheaper similar in stats alternative

[naive ore]

mages book probably only for pures who want to risk a lot. mages book adds 3.5m risk for +2% mage dmg, +5 mage accuracy and +15 magic defense over book of darkness

[glacial gate]

costs more than wow now. Next step is giving me unlimited chars on the acc at a time off one membership far as i'm concerned.

[forest kraken]

Mages book is great

90% of situations it’s better than elidinis ward

[latent relic]

In a max set on a med they do for sure

I mean if you want to risk fortified ward that's obviously better

[latent relic]

He's gonna run around pking in Bowfa max set but take a book of darkness instead of mages book to save 3m?

[naive ore]

since when do pures run bowfa

if you have access to crystal armor you have enough defence to equip better and cheaper shield slot for mage

[latent relic]

He asked advice on a med max set

[naive ore]

malediction ward under half the price, same %dmg, same magic defence with melee defences on top, -3 mage att. but yeah if the extra 3 mage att is worth the increased risk you can take it

[latent relic]

The only upgrades you can make to it are going to cost you 26m, or 117m. The mage accuracy is important to catch freezes

And I'd argue Wyvern shield isn't an upgrade just gives more defense

[naive ore]

so ahrim also isnt upgrade over bluemoon with same logic

[latent relic]

Could sub robe top yeah Ahrims skirts cheaper though

Price is pretty much same for tops

You should rarely be outside your tank anyways that's why defense stats aren't as important in your mage gear. Definitely not for an extra 23m

[granite sphinx]

Devs I don’t think do, whoever actually steers the direction of content within osrs definitely does

Also gm pvpcord

[granite sphinx]

I think you’re right but for the wrong reason, I don’t think they’re really shooting for an “esports” scene, I’d at least pray they know enough to know that wouldn’t work. But dmm definitely does bring a huge sub bump due to it being probably the best money maker in the entire game. Super easy to sub an alt and afk make gp for the main game

[tropic root]

Nah, otherwise they wouldn't have put time and work into it for 10 years

It's just that no one seems to know how to do fix PvP properly.

[cloud hatch]

It's just not that great of a pvp game compared to other options.

[verbal ore]

it would be way more fun if not for the looming threat of people automatic gear switches and whatnot

[cloud hatch]

Every game has cheaters

[verbal ore]

true, and this one does seem to have chilled out since my last stint playing it

i feel like it was much worse in that regard in like 20-21

[granite sphinx]

Yeah when I stopped clienters were actually pretty rare in the Wildy

[winged thorn]

Idk, there’s something about pvp clanning in osrs that is hard to replicate anywhere else. Fact of the matter is, this game could have a great PvP aspect if the Devs didn’t put themselves in “the chair in the corner of the hotel room”, thanks to pampering the majority

P Servers are alive today, and sure you can do your 6 Jad challenge or w/e on them, but ppl pay $ for cosmetics in a p server that revolves around PVP. Yet jaggy can’t capitalize on the same? It’s asinine to think as a company they wouldn’t want to, especially when their IP is being used to do so

[granite sphinx]

Agreed, people clearly do like the concept of the Wildy, and at this point I think some of those servers are more active than the actual Wildy as far as pkers go lol

[winged thorn]

I’d argue it’s been that way for years

I bet some would argue since before singles+, but I think before removal of singles things were still “ok”

Idk as a business idk how you could let a snot nose knock off run your shit lmfao

[glacial gate]

ashes of creation even though albeit a scammer creator had insanely active pvp too. Turns out high risk of losing all your stuff on you is appealing to the more hardcore players.

[winged thorn]

You mean degen RWTers can figure out a PvP game mode & profit off of it…?

[granite sphinx]

Yeah it confuses me, but even if jagex does go after them and shuts them down, I think osrs is in such a bad state that I don’t think that many of those people would even come back

[winged thorn]

Fair point. You’d probably just give them even more of a reason to hate the main game

[granite sphinx]

For me it’s just like, when you take an area and change everything that people like about it, in order to appeal to people who just don’t like it in the first place, obviously nobody is gonna be happy about it lol

[tropic root]

I think the real problem is Jagex breaks stuff about it, and then doesn't address the new problems until 7 years later

No matter what, good or bad update, it's something that needs constant work and attention and iteration

Bad things need to be tried, seen they are bad, and then iterated on and improved, not forgotten for 5 years.

I also question whether or not they have a clear design direction for what the Wildy should be like.

[granite sphinx]

Absolutely the case

[granite sphinx]

They also clearly do not have a design direction in mind, and I think that’s the biggest reason we’ve gotten no updates

They don’t know and don’t want to spend the time figuring it out, singles+ has caused so many problems with every update they could put there now is basically the loot piñata system or dead content. They also need to make mechanics to prevent teleing I.e elder chaos Druids or it just gets botted to death

[cloud hatch]

The community also tends to vote against wilderness updates, making them less likely to present them in the first place.

[verbal ore]

this is a day 1 thing tbh

the wilderness existing at all is because of players being sick of what existed before, pvp everywhere

[granite sphinx]

In current times yeah, but that’s manly come about from them just leaving it to die for like a decade lol

[fast cradle]

evening

bloody windy outside

motorway busy as hell with speed limits put in

just another day up norf

https://tenor.com/view/jon-snow-got-game-of-thrones-king-in-the-north-gif-5624567

just another day seeing the same beautiful faces in the chat @granite sphinx @tropic root @winged thorn @glacial gate

[tropic root]

[low mesa]

Ty. Should I do infernal instead of MA2 cape ?

I win most my LMS games so I think it’s time to start practicing in rev caves. I’ll most likely dodge pkers until I feel like I’m really ready

[latent relic]

Infernal is good, that's a tough one because splashing in an NH fight is rough. Could bring it as a one way switch only when doing melees

Like if your tank is crystal body/legs, dfs, tsod, serp helm you could do inferno cape Hally or inferno cape voidwaker

[latent relic]

If your new to pking in a max set I wouldn't start with bowfa because you will want to be equipping staff and shield after every bowfa hit

Start smaller with
Serp helm
Karils top/skirt
Aranea boots
Tsod
Mages book/DFS
Ma2 cape
DCB
Fury
Lightbearer
Voidwaker/AGS

That's still going to be 40m+ if you are pking with standards take tome of fire instead of mages book

[low mesa]

I actually am not bringing Bofa yet until I’m really really confident. I’m not new more so just returning. Are people bringing mage cape for switch or just relying on the slow air time entangle ?

40m risk is fine in singles. If you know how to triple eat and escape it’s rare to die I think I’ve died once in singles since returning. And the guy hit max max on me

I’ll save purging staff and Bofa for much later but the accuracy for both weapons is really nice I will say

[latent relic]

Yeah there are lots of downgrades you can look at but prices right now aren't bad. Half your risk comes from the TSOD and AGS.

[wide crater]

As far as cosmetics go, ive been saying the last 3 years that there should be a pk pet. A ghost. At a 1/3k drop rate, works for singles or multi, and it comes with a built in transmog where its name changes to the last player you killed

[tropic root]

That's a good one lol

But others can't really see the name could they

Do you get it from killing players, or...?

[wide crater]

Yea lol and others would absolutely be able to see the name 😂 would be hella fun lol

[tropic root]

I'm going to PK Zezima and then I will never PK again.

Or Woox or anyone famous, then I will quit PKing 100%

And I will absolutely just farm 3000 kills from a friend or an alt

[verbal ore]

does soulja boy still stream ts

[tropic root]

I forgot he did but that's pretty hilarious

[wide crater]

Yea idk how to implement boosting it, i just think it would be a hilarious addition. @winged thorn as a multi clanner wouldnt it be hilarious to wipe the opps and your whole clan have their ghosts following you when you flame in edge

[latent relic]

Just make it drop 1/1k unique players if that's possible

[winged thorn]

That would be sick lmao. Don’t give it a clog so the cloggers can’t complain

[winged thorn]

Spaghetti code we’d end up getting max cash from Hans or something crazy

Would be sweet tho lmfao

[wide crater]

Tbh id make it a clog, then the ppl that hardcore complain cus scared will start doing. Not all ofc but a lot will realize how much fun and then boom, we have 5k new pkers

[fringe fjord]

why is confliction gauntlet crashing

[naive ore]

raids 4 announced to be crush based probably reason, then again they said potential reward would be elemental spell buffing items which should add use cases to them too

[fringe fjord]

crashed like 10m in less than a week

[naive ore]

doom drops have always varied a lot in price but seems to dip harder now, could be more people farming or someone started bot farm

always chance that people are selling at lower price to panic buy bonds before leagues start

[fringe fjord]

as if its not bad enough that im 2x dry for boots now the cloths I keep getting are also worth less

[naive ore]

tormented bracelet also gone down almost 2m

[verbal ore]

bonds going up, everything else goes down

but stuff people buy with bond money first naturally

[naive ore]

no one buying scythes with bond money, that thing going up in price

[open grove]

you would be shocked

[glacial gate]

limited time game modes have been incredible to me.
To bad main game is incredibly chalked.

im skilling and playing other games ffs

🦀 $15 🦀

[tropic root]

Time to buy kills xD

Hey, we all know people will find a way around it

But it is a fun idea indeed

Just, if people boost kills, that's more non-PKer voting in polls

Also, I'm sure some would absolutely sell having a rare name on the ghost

[hollow fiber]

[wide crater]

You can pipe up in here but not react to my big pk pics, cool

[mild knoll]

looking for big risks

pures mains

any acc lmk

[fast cradle]

morning

[glacial gate]

G M

[forest kraken]

Another day of asking jagx to add multi revs

Gm!

[fast cradle]

feels like we've been waiting a lifetime for updates ritzy

[forest kraken]

Funny thing is we’ve already had multi revs, and all it takes is just adding multi back to the cave, and we’re still having to beg every day!

Like cmon jagex

[fast cradle]

insane really

[granite sphinx]

been waiting for a really good update since they first implemented the pj timer 🙁

[wide crater]

Ayo whatre some kind of items you guys would like to see added to game? I was thinking about it last night i think more treads themed items would be dope. Bis tribrid type stuff like an ammy or ring

[fast cradle]

the updatesss the game needs now it needed 10years ago @granite sphinx

how mad is that

😄

price of membership will still keep going up too

we're all paying for the upkeep of EoC ... an update that should have never happened

f2p needs a lease of life @wide crater

[latent relic]

Time for essence of finality

Blood fury, occult, anguish, torture. Recharged with blood shards but works with all 3 styles

[minor aspen]

What if we had a ring that improved curse spells, would people use them? Xd

I feel like making people restore before they want to is pretty strong, but maybe the dps trade off isn’t big enough

[latent relic]

Would need to add sacks for it. Otherwise your wasting inventory spaces on curses

[minor aspen]

True, or make rune pouches cheaper

[latent relic]

I mean currently even with rune pouch it would suck. If your on standards you'd have mud runes, smoke runes(air), wrath runes, nature's. That's already 4 slots.

[winged thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1465348114033541183/1479211127459283056/multi_revs.gif?ex=69b51977&is=69b3c7f7&hm=077beb79c7e3f3866e94ab68e224b8f879f751874644f316348202dc9bd12be7&

[minor aspen]

You’d probably use smoke staff

[latent relic]

So to take curses you'd need to bring soul runes instead of a hard food or brew

[fast cradle]

just bring back pre-eoc at thiss point

[latent relic]

No one in max is taking smoke staff over tsod

[fast cradle]

far better game

[latent relic]

So it would be pretty niche for pures maybe or budget singles set on mains etc

[minor aspen]

Ah yeah assuming 75attack

Give mud staff the magic% bonus 🙂

[latent relic]

Upgraded staff of balance

That would be sick

[minor aspen]

Sack pouch: can put spell sacks into it 😆

Sack for your sacks

Sack sack

Wilderness clue scroll reward

[latent relic]

This is a good idea, introduce blood barrage sacks as well

Maybe not wilderness clue scroll reward though.

[brazen fox]

Bis tribrid everything so we don’t have to switch gear so cringe also collision ring that means ppl can’t walk thru us or under us that’d fix PvP also remove freezes

Idm risking parch to take blood barrage tbf

Fr tho I don’t think bis tribrid anything is good for PvP health, I mean look at how atlatl has affected pking and it’s only range+str 😂

Treads are kinda okay cuz u risk whatever else u take

[latent relic]

Need to keep majority of switches but I think having boots,gloves,ring,amulet is fine

[brazen fox]

Am just not sure simplifying switches and adding damage at the same time is a good idea

We’re capped at 99/115 hp so every bit of damage increase makes things more cringe

Like fero gloves torm and z vambs combined would give +4 str +5% magic damage and +2 ranged str

Idk why that would be a good thing when it involves 0 extra effort to get that dmg

[wide crater]

I disagree with that tbh. Dding is crucial for regaining momentum with a chance to heal or hit off pray

[wide crater]

Yes but these would be pretty expensive, only the 1% maxxers would be using them while skulled. But i do feel having tribrid options would encourage more people to fight back bc they dont have to gear switch much.

[latent relic]

Doesn't need to be bis combined and just sticking to barrows as the hybrid imo

An upgraded hybrid blood fury would be nice though

[forest kraken]

Combined amulet slot would be fine

[latent relic]

Typically people NHing only take 3-4 armour switches. Body/Top/shield and maybe cape or helm

[forest kraken]

Tbh wouldn’t be against them adding pvp armours to main game rather than just bounty hunter, as long as they can just be used in PvP

[latent relic]

Anything more than that is usually only someone rushing

[latent relic]

PvP gear outside BH would be cool. But should only be the high def ones

Maybe only wildy though not pvm

Add it as a drop from new wildy content

[forest kraken]

Yeah only wildy

Wouldn’t want it encroaching on current metas or PvM gear

[latent relic]

Yeah having BIS PvP gear come from within the wilderness would be really good. If it's only usable inside the wildy than there's no reason for irons to be upset by it

[forest kraken]

Yeah it seems logical right

And all the gear is already there and made

They could even add a cool new multi boss or multi monsters (…..) that drops them

[latent relic]

I think have the def requirements be something north of 70 though. Should only be for mains/meds

You kind of already have gear like that for pures and zerks with elder chaos and dagon'hai

[winged thorn]

Tbh I think more bis tribrid items will come into the game naturally

[latent relic]

Yeah I just don't like the idea of no armour switches at all

Amulets, rings etc fine but we already have elite void for minimal switch armour

[wide crater]

Yea that would be solid, my logic was basically noobs at revs would use it, get a couple antis and be like oh hey this shits fun, and start learning pvp. I shouldnt have compared to treads, better compaison would be antler guard. Bis tribrid but not overpowering bis in each style

[winged thorn]

Yeah I could see it coming in the form of a ring, an ammy, or gloves

[latent relic]

Yeah antler guard is good too because it has negative defense

So it's risk vs reward

[winged thorn]

If we get to the point where you can do end game pvm just switching your wep, I think even the rest of the game will have a conniption fit

[wide crater]

Yea my bad on the bad comparison, high end pvp should still require switching, i just meant lower tier gear that has bonuses in all styles

[latent relic]

Blood fury for all styles though would be sick

[wide crater]

Before i started learning, the actual switches werent an issue, but when my inventory got scattered i was cooked

[latent relic]

Add ancient warrior to a wildy pvm drop that only works in wildy

Could even be like barrows but in the wildy. We have to kill each warrior to loot their chest

[naive ore]

New players trying to pvp with gear starting at bottom of inventory while having barbarian vial smashing enabled

[winged thorn]

New armor & gear would be cool. I really wish they’d save the time & energy of designing new shit & just allow bh items into the wild

[forest kraken]

Agreed

[glacial gate]

just make standard sacks and ancient sacks atp

But id rather have multi revs

[winged thorn]

Imagine all the NH ppl who avoid bh because it’s not their speed

They’d full send to crater for vls or morrigans stick

Would help both parties involved

[brazen fox]

Yh I was trolling

[brazen fox]

They can fight back alrdy imo the only thing that sucks is having to bring ether bracelet/salve ammy switches

[brazen fox]

I mean kinda alrdy a thing no? Glory/fury/b gloves/shadows or lightbearer/araneas

[wide crater]

Ya fair point, i forgot about araneas too tbh, but add like a range str bonus like +2 or something to fury. Ring of shadows covers pretty well for ring slot ig as well. Scratch my idea LOL. Well go with scotts, just combine blood fury w anguish and occult 😂

[wide crater]

Ah fair some people are dead set on it

[brazen fox]

Ya the ppl who have never asked “how do I defend dd”

😂

But ye I think adding all these items just make it harder for ppl who are pvming or aren’t super experienced

@granite sphinx likes to point out new pj timer allows ppl to run around in 1b sets with ancestral masori oathplate etc

And adding more and more damage worsens outgearing

Like when u can get barraged 40s, 82 ags, 46 maul etc

Ofc outgearing only patches a certain skill gap but it still patches it

Idk we want ppl to try pking but they’re gna be put off when they die from a 140 dmg stack or they’re worried about risking a bit more cuz they can get gear checked by Virtus ward or whatevs

[wide crater]

Yea by the same token tho i almost never run into ppl in oathplate ancestral or like literal bis. Theyre so few and far between, 99% of pkers i see in singles places besides revs are in bloodbark and blessed hides.

[latent relic]

That's why they need to only add a pj timer if your opponent was skulled.

[granite sphinx]

its not really oathplate its bofa/virtus

is really the max nh setup rn, theres also the guys ancestral/oathplate harm orb rushing pvmers

[brazen fox]

bowfa virtus is brutal yh crazy dps

Then add another 5% magic dmg and +5 ranged str with crystal multiplier

:/

That’s stuff u gotta think about when u say like “combine occult fury and anguish”

[low mesa]

I got cooked by some ahker yesterday in blood bark / blessed hide and I was wearing better gear. Down to my last brew tho

Almost no worth bringing super good gear when you can kill all rev bots with mediocre gear. And on top of that you can get a super sweat who can kill you if you aren’t a very good pkers

But with a good setup you basically kill most pvm player immediately and if you have the agility they never ever escape. So 300-900k keys damn near every world

[noble plover]

check out Rargh/Links recent zombie challannege, the PVP is hilarious and needs to be a game mode

[latent relic]

If that gets on you just focus on overheads keep health high and wait until your freeze timer is up, freeze and escape around a tree or something. You've got a few seconds of freeze immunity when your freeze wears off

[latent relic]

Start with a small set and only upgrade with the loot you pk

[low mesa]

This lvl 89 gap has been the bane of me

[brazen fox]

Easier said than done but the point is the ammy idea gives 2 barrage max hits, bowfa max hits, and lets em heal off their dps

[latent relic]

My idea was it would be equal to occult, anguish, blood fury

So no max hits

[brazen fox]

Yh 5% magic dmg is 2 max hits

Anguish is ranged str which is max hits

Plus healing

[latent relic]

Yeah but it's not an increase

[brazen fox]

How?

Fury has 0% magic dmg and 0 ranged str

[latent relic]

Because people already use anguish and occult?

[brazen fox]

Very few ppl are pking with anguish? And occult is v niche welfare set item

Everyone is pking in fury/blood fury tho

0 slots taken up

[latent relic]

Yeah occult switch isn't super uncommon

At least not with pures zerks and voiders

Mains it's uncommon for sure

Could balance it a bit more so it's not as strong as occult and anguish

[glacial gate]

pures run neck swaps fairly often. Occult/ w/e

they dont change chestpiece

[wide crater]

Dude people are legitimately making the argument theyd be fine if members covered more than one character but you can only log into one at a time. Am i the only one that thinks that would be DRASTIV

[inner dew]

they need to have a ban appeal system besides spamming discord and twitter

log into one at a time would be healthy i think but you need to have a way to move wealth between characters at the bare minimum

there can be benefits to doing a system where ur friends are shared across accounts too for convenience

[random pike]

Deadman Mode Feedback https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQEVsV1br08

[glacial gate]

some great takes and hard truths here.

we could also have those changes marked on the wiki lol.

[random pike]

true, didnt even think about that.

[wide crater]

Not that i care if i get pkd while pvming but imagine if pvm randy gets killef cus he cant have a scout outside artio anymore

[inner dew]

better that than making everybody who doesnt do it feel stupid for not doing it

if u always had the option to have alts multilogged at no extra cost, it would promote it and i think it detracts alot from the game

[wide crater]

Yea but from a singles pking perspective i agree, from a multi clanner perspective i dont. So many teams avoid fights with other pkers, there wouldnt be any action i think. So hard to find mfs lmao

If that got fixed i wouldmt care i think

[inner dew]

for sure

in other mmos we just have hotspots show up on the ingame map when players die, and a thing on our UI that tells us what zone is active

basically no trouble to find where the action is. cant say the same for osrs

[wide crater]

Im not familiar with other mmos tbh. Is it just one world map? Cus that’s really the big issue. Most multi clans have enough people to scatter and find the action on one world but not 300

[inner dew]

yea no worlds to deal with, im most familiar with warhammer online specifically

its purely a large scale pvp game, very few ppl are doing anything besides pvp

[wide crater]

I feel that. I do wish this game was a little more balanced on the rng side of things

I just died to a guy for a good chunk. I anti pkd and smoked him. 3k0 attempts 60% chance and up 100 damage. He got 1 k0 chance at 4% and hit a 73 lmfao

But i got a staff right after so whatever ig 😂

[glacial gate]

ranced

[inner dew]

yeah rng sucks when they didnt even really setup a KO or combo beforehand

but on the other hand guaranteed dmg is far too predictable too

i was watching oda doing 10X or whatever odds, and one guy is just spamming abby dagger specs to try his luck to rance at like a couple % constantly

[wide crater]

look at kill pics loooool he just attacked again

[snow widget]

How to join w 320 server

Please guide me

[winged thorn]

Nice video! The only thing I’m willing to push back against is: requiring certain risk thresholds to pk takes away most of the pking that would happen in the first couple of days

& that’s some of the most fun pking in dmm imo, running around in dorgy bow etc

Regardless, thanks for taking the time to make a vid

[latent relic]

So I do think they should have membership be for all your characters and you can pay to have additional logins. Base membership is 1 login at a time, 2, 3, etc give us a discount on additional logins we purchase

I'm sure jagex could figure out how to code it and they can make it so this option is only available if you have a jagex account. Would incentivise more people to move over to jagex accounts.

[wide crater]

Id be fine with paying a bit more as long as i can login on multiple still. Not even just scouting purposes, even for fights or building accounts. Imagine being on your main and finding a pure i bugatti loot and having to switch whole ass jagex launchers which was some ppls ideas lol

[latent relic]

Yeah I like playing on 2-3 at a time but would love the ability to change which ones I play on. I pay for members on a pure, med and main so I have a wide spread of combat levels I can hit

Would be nice to instead play an iron but still have the option to hop on the others periodically if I wanted

[wide crater]

I usually do too but i been grinding to max so cut mems to the pure. I pay for med and main, and ill just bond my alts if i have a specific reason to need them

[latent relic]

Yeah I may switch to bonds when my current years run out on the med and pure

Price is just too high now to justify paying for them all the time

[wide crater]

I tried the iron life and ive gotten so bored of pvm that i just couldnt do it lmao. Having to grind all kinds of shit just to have convenience of teleporting wasnt it for me

Yh im prolly gonna cut mems on the med too. Ill keep paying for my main tho cus i always use it

[latent relic]

Yeah to each their own it's a nice change of pace and I do enjoy a bit of pvm here and there to take a break from pvp

Grandfather rate on main I'll never cancel that one

[wide crater]

Yea ill still do a lil bit. I do enjoy wildy bosses cus i can still anti pk but ill go send some dt2 bosses on occasion. 1-200 kc tho and im back in wild lolol

[latent relic]

Yeah send some raids with the boys then back to the wildy

They just need to add some more pvm options in the wildy

[wide crater]

I wish theyd have done the scorpia rework. Boss is way too shit for multi

[random pike]

In my original script I was gonna say inbracket 3 and above, idk why I left that out. But i completely agree with you.

[latent relic]

My only issue with rag was how easy it was to stack someone out with javs and no risk

[random pike]

True

[naive ore]

sigil of adroid was main reason people could do rag javs and stack even people in high defence gear

risking 10 morrigans javs and black dhide to spec with 80% accuracy on tank armor while low hp

[winged thorn]

I think it’s supposed to make it easy for noobs learning to pk but it’s really just taken advantage of by the long time pkers

Nothing wrong with either imo but you’ll always have the latter

[latent relic]

Yeah even forcing certain loot value can be cheesed through rune pouches etc

[naive ore]

i got hit by naked morrigans javelins (they didnt even wear dhide) so many times while running around in 400 ranged def

[winged thorn]

What bracket did you play?

[naive ore]

final bracket

[winged thorn]

Very anecdotal: I didn’t really experience any rag like that in the final bracket. Would’ve thought it was lower brackets

[naive ore]

when doing zulrah there was always someone trying to dharok bomb or javelin spec you

[winged thorn]

Well dh bomb at least is respectable

If you anti you get the armor etc

[naive ore]

i just tanked the dharok users with sotd spec, was too lazy to tab out since only had to survive 1 freeze every zulrah kill

[latent relic]

Nothing wrong with dh bombing

[winged thorn]

Pking in the temporary pk game mode? Yuck!

[naive ore]

yeah a lot of people just hated it since they could onehit you with rng after using 100% accuracy dscim on you

staff of the death spec made it not a risk though

[latent relic]

I played through the first three brackets and b3 had the most raggers but might have been just the timing I was in that bracket

[winged thorn]

most of the ppl complaining about the OP items are just pvm folk though

[latent relic]

Doing the adroit method I mean

[winged thorn]

Not even actually trying to fight anyone with it etc, they don’t really get to see how broken it may or may not be

I agree that pk in dmm should be closer to the main game

But idk, if you just don’t wanna be blasted as a pvmer, idk what to say lol

[latent relic]

I feel like it should be different,give me stupid crazy DPS that I'd never see main game

[naive ore]

well even pkers who were standing near bank got 1 hit by people using script to take full dh and gmaul and do automatic dh into double gmaul in 1-2 ticks

[winged thorn]

I don’t necessarily wanna see that kinda firepower in the main game… but imagine you singles pk in dmm with sigils & then try it with the same little lvl 70 pure in the main game

[latent relic]

But I personally don't like long bank fights

[winged thorn]

The 2 definitely don’t translate

[latent relic]

I miss rampage

[winged thorn]

Yeah but a pker will just complain about the client, not the sigils

[latent relic]

Yeah no one likes a clienter

You gotta be really bad at the game to resort to clienting. Absolutely shameless and bad for the health of PvP and integrity of the game.

[winged thorn]

Finale wise I think they could do a better job with the faction play. If you keep it to multi, I think you allow ppl to sign up with their favorite in game god, or allow them to go faction-less. This gives players the chance to either: stick to the clan they played with the whole time, or join up with “team saradomin” or w/e & go into the finale with them

And then idk make buffs for those in the finale zone that are actually doing dps so it encourages you to fight & not just sip brews

[latent relic]

I think signup with a god of their choice is good but balance teams if they are unbalanced

As much as I want to be with my clan I think it's better overall if solo people have an opportunity to participate

[winged thorn]

For sure, wouldn’t want 500 ppl on team zammy fighting poor team Guthix with 50

My issue with singles is it takes forever & every time it’s awful

[latent relic]

Mhmm, could expand the gods to include 4 instead of 2

[latent relic]

I think something as simple as changing the final area to OG singles would be fine

Like not singles+

[winged thorn]

That would be crazy lol

[latent relic]

Allow pjing but not full on multi

The coliseum area not final area in bh

[winged thorn]

Oh I misread, you were talking about a multi final but as a solo player, not necessarily a single finale

The colo area was so small man, there’s so many better options

[latent relic]

Mhmm

[winged thorn]

We literally have plateau

A map designed for this lol

Idk

[latent relic]

Yeah use the CWA maps

[winged thorn]

Final area in the classic clan wars map would’ve been sick

All the turrets and shit ppl can go up on

Would’ve been way more interesting than a box

[latent relic]

Yeah that would be lol

[inland marlin]

I took a half year break from rs. Came back, membered my 1 def pure and went to rev caves and found it's completely dead now. Where do you go for pvp/loot in the wild on a ~80cb account now that all the bots and players killing the bots seem to have vanished?

The only people still in rev caves are seemingly med and mains, most speaking Spanish

[granite sphinx]

w305 enclave usually has some sweaty brids, but otherwise jagex kinda killed the wildy for the most part 🙁

[inland marlin]

Yeah I'm not good enough to fight the unemployed megasweats lol

I figured as much, sad times...

[granite sphinx]

yeah its in a pretty brutal state for you then in that case sadly : /

[inland marlin]

Guess I'm just cancelling sub and waiting for updates. Crazy to see the ripple effect of a massive bot banwave lol

[granite sphinx]

im in this same boat sadly, cancelled memberships and just playing other games, but praying jagex will update the game one day

[inland marlin]

I was contemplating getting hard wildy Diaries on that 1 def to hunt the solo wildy bosses

[glacial gate]

you could always join a multi clan thats worth af. Otherwise like honestly gl lol.

[inland marlin]

But I cba getting 68 hunter on the off chance it's not dead

Yeah I don't enjoy multi pking

So rip

[glacial gate]

the solo bosses are on and off camped by bots.

One wave is destroyed takes about a month then another wave is there nonstop

[inland marlin]

Yeah so content there is seasonal at best

[glacial gate]

Definitely

[inland marlin]

No thanks. Thx for making me not waste all that time lol

[glacial gate]

Honestly its not worth brother lol

[inland marlin]

Ok cheers lads Ill be praying for updates

Godspeed

[glacial gate]

Im just skilling my main up and playing other games too lol... seems a lot of us are

[latent relic]

Hop around rev orks you will find some risking ether and cave fees

[glacial gate]

rev hill giant/demon spot is good for lower levels actually

[latent relic]

Ive been pking there recently and you can get 1m kills pretty steady

[granite sphinx]

me to, i need some1 to @ me when something actually happens in this game that isnt just a minor bug fix

[glacial gate]

i didnt even think about that

im boutta make a pure just to suck in real time and let yall know its just as dead.

[latent relic]

Nah it's not bad, I run into other pkers of various skill level and gear.

LVL 80s and 90s with webweaver

It's most likely a gold farm they all have the same gear

Masori helm and body

[inland marlin]

I hopped all worlds for 2 hours last night

Found around 10 people below 100cb

[glacial gate]

theres to many damn worlds

soon enough we'll have even more.

We just keep world bloating and doing zilch about the wilderness gap its creating.

[granite sphinx]

I mean game as a whole rn is pretty down bad, we're at 137k at noon on a weekend vs where it was around 200k mid morning on a weekday lol

just hasnt been much going on lately with osrs

[latent relic]

Gotta factor in all the bots that got nuked recently

I'd rather see the game at 140k than 200k with 60k bots

[inland marlin]

Idk man I'd rather have anything in the wild than a complete no man's land

If you remove all the prey, the predators also naturally leave, so there's really nothing left in the wild in terms of 'natural' encounters

[latent relic]

Bots left unchecked though will push out real players unable to find open worlds

[naive ore]

the issue with bots is that bots made actual pvmers leave wilderness when there were no free world after hopping 50+ times every single day. So now that bots are getting nuked the players have not started to come back to wilderness bosses

[latent relic]

The Rev bots were also bad at mass reporting anyone who pked them opening players up to potential false bands

[latent relic]

Yeah this 💯 , the bots also crash the value of drops devaluing the reward part of risk vs reward

[naive ore]

i tried to start voidwaker grind on iron few times but i didnt have 20kc for the peek option for singles bosses and every world always had bot in them and didnt want to scout on main

[latent relic]

Diary reqs and jagex removing the legacy java client has been good to reduce wildy bots

[naive ore]

yeah havent tried it recently, so cannot say how it is now

[inland marlin]

I'd expect regular pvmers to be out there doing revs by now but there's only a few south Americans making their bread in there. Over half the worlds at south Ogres is occupied, usually by 100+s. Where is the dedicated rev farming alts to replace all the bots that were removed?

West demons is also completely dead. Like 1 player every 15 worlds or so. That place used to be lower lvl rev farmers almost every single world.

Prices aren't going up either because they killed supply but also demand at the same time, so the incentive for humans to farm revs isn't higher than when it was swamped by bots.

Craws bow went from 18 to 14m in the past half year...

And with the depletion of all these rev farmers and in general wildy pvm, there's less pkers hunting the bots, which in turn causes less pkers hunting those opportunistic botkilling pkers in return

Vicious cycle

[latent relic]

We need new pvm content in the wildy to bring the price of rev weapons and ether back up

Gotta add Ancient Warriors bosses to wildy, format it like Barrows or moons. Loot a chest after killing them that drops a variant of their weapons and armour that can only be used in the wildy. Add new blighted supplies like brews, combat and ranging pots.

[inland marlin]

Blighted stams and antivenoms too. Yeah I agree with you.

Idk if adding more wildy-only gear to wildly content is the way though. Ur really keeping it a closed ecosystem so when you mess with supply then you also mess with demand (banwaves).

[latent relic]

Yeah you could do it similar to rev weapons where it has a base stat however if used in wildy it is buffed

The target audience would be pkers and wildy pvm. Not pvm outside of the wildy

[brazen fox]

wtf PvPcord popped off today

[next sequoia]

Yeah it's pretty much dead. The wilderness can only survive so long without any updates to it and we're at the end stages of it just being completely dead. The same pvp hotspots of altar and rev caves are starting to die out completely. It's too repetitive and boring.

I'm suspecting 2026 will be another year without a single pvp update.

[next sequoia]

Good luck getting that to pass a poll

[latent relic]

At this point PvP updates should be considered game integrity updates

Or balancing changes

[open grove]

I don't trust jagex to integrity change pvp

considering what they did in bh

[next sequoia]

I consider revenant weapons probably one of the best wilderness updates in osrs. It made the majority of people risk 200-300k at a minimum because of the reward the weapons provided. A massive increase to DPS and better efficiency when doing wilderness pvm/bossing.

We need another update of that scale for wilderness skilling. Some type of chargeable item for skilling tools, like axes or pickaxes that makes resource gathering quick. Why would anyone skill in the wilderness when you can skill in guilds with zero risk and a passive level boost.

[glacial gate]

https://tenor.com/TKLx.gif

[next sequoia]

Rev weapons are a great example of a risk vs reward update done correctly.

[glacial gate]

when they came out i didnt wanna use one because i didnt have the capital to lose. Once i pked my own ether i took it out there and it was a wrap lol.

[inland marlin]

the weapons are great but the overall incentive to go INTO the wild is kinda gone no? anyone with a decent acc can just go TOA experts which anyone with a few days of practice can spam and make more, 0 risk

in the end stuff like revs is just a money maker, and if it makes less money than other pretty accessible content then why would non-pkers go into the wild

the reward isn't great enough for most people to take the risk for

but getting anything past a poll to increase that will enrage the pve community and they far outsize the wildy enjoyers, so gg

[glacial gate]

to anti pk the pkers that think they have the upper hand 😛
Also it has to be integrity changes or pvp only voters.

[inland marlin]

yea you can't fix the wildy with anything that has to go through a poll

but then it comes with the risk of Jagex fumbling like they did with BH

[latent relic]

Rev skilling tools would be sick

Pickaxe, axe, harpoon/lobster box

In general though I don't see me wanting to pk skillers lol but would like to pk the noobs pking skillers

[next sequoia]

That's the entire point many of us have been sharing in here, and in previous discords before this. If the wilderness isn't risk vs reward, then what exactly is the point of the wilderness? What is it's identity? If it's not risk vs reward, what is the point of wilderness levels? The deeper you go, the riskier it gets but the less rewarded or incentivized you are of going deeper? It doesn't make sense. I've literally seen people say to remove all pvm and skilling from the wilderness and just have it pvp. If they did that, it wouldn't make any sense to have wilderness levels because nothing would incentivize anyone to go to deep wild like mage bank or anywhere else.

[next sequoia]

The wilderness is the way it is today because of lack of updates, it's not any players fault or any fault of pvpers. It just never kept up with modernization of the wider game and thus died because of it

[glacial gate]

shit if they riskin 100k+ in ether each kill call me skiller mcbob cause im eatin

to bad skilling doesnt put you in combat and theyll just auto tele or logout 1 tick

[next sequoia]

Yep that's another issue

[glacial gate]

the deeper you go the worse gp gets have you saw scorpia LOL

[next sequoia]

I know

[glacial gate]

that shit should drop tbows

[next sequoia]

Wilderness levels already don't make any sense. Tbh

50+ wilderness should have some of the most enticing, dynamic and lucrative updates in the entire wilderness but it doesn't.

Everything hovers around 30 wilderness.

[glacial gate]

it should be true ffa 50+ fuck 50+ make it just unlimited up there

[next sequoia]

If you're at the deepest part of the wilderness with no quick teleporting out, players 50 combat levels above your current level can attack you, escaping is difficult, why the heck is it the least rewarding out there. Makes no sense.

[next sequoia]

Scorpia is such a sad waste of space. Waste of a great area that they could have put something else there

[glacial gate]

all theyd have to do is update the drop table and it could be a hotspot. the boss has a cool mechanic of freezing the babies and pulling the boss away or just full dpsing through w/ the sceptre/occult etc.

[next sequoia]

Nah, they'd have to do a full rework of the boss imo. If you really think about it, scorpia is the riskiest wilderness boss in the game due to it's location. It is the deepest part in the whole wilderness, surrounded by multi. You are stuck in combat and if a team gets on you, you have no choice but to face tank the entire team through multi for a good amount of time. It should be changed to respect those factors. Imagine if they changed the entire scorpia fight to be more challenging, but also changed its drop table to be 6M-10M per hour. How active do you think scorpia would be then? How packed would scorpia be?

It would be the most active spot in the wilderness.

Maybe 10M per hour is too much but you get my point. Even 6M per hour would be really good

Scorpia is so mechanically boring.

[fringe fjord]

Anything worth doing would be botted to shit due to low requirements

[next sequoia]

How would bots do in a multi combat zone with no auto logging out, required to face tank teams. I'd say it could be regulated pretty well by pkers

[fringe fjord]

Low reqs are the only appeal of the wilderness but this helps exactly nobody because any real player has quests and skills done

[next sequoia]

Who says scorpia even needs to be low requirements anyway

[fringe fjord]

This discourages real players more than bots

Bots don't care if they get piled

[fringe fjord]

Not my point, it shouldnt

[hollow fiber]

[fringe fjord]

50+ content should be for level 126s

[next sequoia]

If content in the game can be considered "end game content" why does the wilderness have to be different? Imagine a wilderness update that required mandatory Wilderness elite diary completed but it dropped a gauranteed 6M+ gp per hour. Do you think it would be dead content?

I don't think so

[fringe fjord]

Because those are the only people that pk there and it makes no sense to make content for level 90 mains so they can get ganked by max mains

[next sequoia]

What if it was content designed for 120+ mains

[hollow fiber]

His Lordship covered how it worked like that back in the day in the wilderness revival video

[fringe fjord]

All wilderness bosses right now are content for people with like level 70 stats

[fringe fjord]

It should

[next sequoia]

Exactly. Why not make an end game rewarding piece of content

Thats not easily bottable

And throw it in 50+ wild

I wonder how it would do

They've never ever done that before in rs history

[fringe fjord]

Bots do doom so difficulty doesn't discourage that

And tob

[glacial gate]

yeah making content around bots is really stupid. Why do we have a raid you can solo if people don't want bots??
Why is it only in pvp where people moan about bots in the content. Maybe its because we as pkers are the only ones who actually deal with them 🤔

[next sequoia]

Doom requires high combat stats and gear and some quests. Wilderness elite diary requires: 85 mining, 90 smithing, 85 fishing, 84 thieving, 90 cooking, shall I go on?

[glacial gate]

The whole botting arguement is tiny brain js.

[wide crater]

There are tons of pures and meds that pk at scorpia:resource arena

[fringe fjord]

But yes technically if you want to put content in level 50 multi it should be designed for level 120+ and impossible to solo

[next sequoia]

Botting shouldn't be the main argument for not designing content. The entire game is botted, stop.

[fringe fjord]

I have scorpia greenlogged it's almost entirely max mains and in teams of 3 or 4

[next sequoia]

And would you say the reward justified the risk?

[fringe fjord]

No it's the worst boss in the game

[next sequoia]

Yep.

[fringe fjord]

Shit loot high risk

[next sequoia]

Scorpia could be moved and thrown in 25 wilderness and replaced with something more mechanically interesting and rewarding.

Waste of opportunity

[fringe fjord]

It's loot is like level 10 singles

You make more money an hour killing anything in slayer dungeon on task

[glacial gate]

yeah lmao

its a joke

[fringe fjord]

Make scorpia a funny low wild boss for noobs

[next sequoia]

😮‍💨

[fringe fjord]

It's about as mechanically complex as the cow

Obor has more mechanics

[glacial gate]

in enough risk perhaps

[next sequoia]

Not meant to be I guess...

People are so quick to say an update would fail without even trying.

They've never even really tried.

[wide crater]

Shouldve just at least done the rework they initially proposed. That still wouldve at least had a peak in activity

[fringe fjord]

They don't want time to be spend on the wilderness

[next sequoia]

I can count "risk vs reward" updates since 2013 osrs on my 2 hands. There's so little

[inland marlin]

I couldn't find a single pvp content creator aside from Odablock live on twitch/kick an hour ago. And oda was giving away bonds on an f2p world at the GE. Is it really that bad??

Jfc man lol

[next sequoia]

Yes

[thorn tapir]

its been years since any real pvp update

[next sequoia]

Last pvp update was Zombie pirates released 10 April 2024

In terms of wilderness update

[inland marlin]

🙂

[thorn tapir]

technically it iss but come on

[scarlet tree]

He box’s idea for the resource area was solid* (at least the skilling portion of it)
Someone said make the agil course loose 25-50 laps from leavening instead of reset to encourage ppl to come back

Seen some decent ideas for 50+ wilderness

[next sequoia]

Before zombie pirates was released it was wildy boss rework (Callisto, venenatic, vetion) which was 25 january 2023

Haven't had anything since

Multi has been that dry since 2023

[thorn tapir]

ye i would say the wildy bosses rework was a good update so like 3+ years without any wildy update

if we have 3+ years without any real pvm update the game would die too

[glacial gate]

ngl zombie pirates was lit when it first came out. to bad its in level 1 wilderness and people just hop the ditch away

[scarlet tree]

Updates n Qol

Needs thats

[next sequoia]

Low level wilderness updates dont work. Hard pill for some people to swallow

[thorn tapir]

i agree

also kinda forces you to be on normall spellbook

[scarlet tree]

Pirates were solid but I can see more ppl wanting 30+ yah..

[next sequoia]

I hate how people look at zombie pirates and wildy boss rework and say that jagex tried all they could and that lucrative pvm updates don't work at all. No I think they were just not designed well.

[thorn tapir]

im honestly down for some wilderness expansion.

[next sequoia]

I want 50+ wilderness updates. I'm tired of wilderness updates being around 30 wilderness. Everything is 30 wilderness. Chaos altar, revenants, black chinchompas, multi bosses. They've never experimented with a really good pvm money maker past the wilderness gate way up north. Literally never

[thorn tapir]

what about jagex keep adding more and more worlds? we have like 200 p2p worlds? (wild guess)

[next sequoia]

Yeah that's a great idea lol

[scarlet tree]

Pirates and the boss rework were pretty solid tho…..
But yah deeper wilderness needs that same update/change/rework whatever

[thorn tapir]

i mean hopping 200 worlds is just bad game play

just to find a handfull of players

[next sequoia]

Have you guys ever been to the wilderness volcano in 54 wilderness? It's a really cool looking area and it's a massive amount of space. It's just not used for ANYTHING. You go there for 2 seconds to make a ward or do a clue scroll. Move the area to make wards at the lava near mage bank, remove that clue scroll step, and add purpose to that wilderness volcano. Add a boss there, or add some monsters, add something....

[thorn tapir]

its really barren

[next sequoia]

It makes no sense. Yet again

So many things about the wilderness make no sense.

Its super outdated things that they can change.

[scarlet tree]

Yah, always thought mod soffans idea for a big ass dragon there was tight

[next sequoia]

Could put that there...

Brainstorming ideas isn't hard.

[thorn tapir]

what do you guys think about limiting wilderness acces to like 100 worlds instead of 200 worlds? might be a wild idea, just thinking out loud

[scarlet tree]

Or near, idk ppl act like ideas have to be insanely polished