What do you mean? I wronged one time, and so?
#🤔｜theories
royal notch
azure bay
no
cerulean crypt
is he connected other way than just a two paintings?
royal notch
Ah, OK, i was thinking about the mill letter, Sorry.
floral mauve
guys I just figured out one interesting approach
what if seasons happened in the cave Laura machine about changing the past
floral mauve
whats happened really islaura get murdered in 1971
so there is no multiple timeline
cerulean crypt
But laura was muderd
floral mauve
yes
cerulean crypt
In other way there will be no investigacion
floral mauve
yes
cerulean crypt
And whole owl plan will just die
floral mauve
Laura is murdered in the first place
and then in the cave machine she started seasons
thats my thought
which makes sense
since changing the past didnt bring her back to live
azure bay
so there is no multiple timeline
time travel, multiple of timelines, the reliability of memories etc. are mostly a foundation for many sets of beliefs. You either take them or not & then you adjust all of the other facts to fit it. Considering that there is no different timelines would hurt mostly Paradox or its aftermath. Considering that there is no time travel would leave a confusion on several unexpected appearances. Considering that there IS time travel would pose some questions to the plan of Owl
cerulean crypt
Sounds complicated
floral mauve
but none of the changing the past has an affect on the current timeline except paradox
but paradox is paradox
thats a lame one
royal notch
I want to hear you out about "the past is never dead"
So, i think the blue cubes can exist and work in the reality (we see One in cave) but for now we have seen them working only IN memories. In Birthday, the memory is modified by the Lake for prepare Dale, and in the reality his patents are dead in that time. End of that story. In seasons, Laura can't have REALLY changed the past, because the entire enlighteneds' Plan would been putted in the WC. So my theory Is that: when Laura's body get corrupted, he's going ti kill Harvey and Aldous, so he must have used the words to chill her: and then, it's like Aldous said:- Dude, chill, you can change the past!-. But that's a LIE, said only to let her go away. At this point, Laura could try ti really change the past, but SHE CAN'T DO THAT, otherwise the entire Plan Is wasted. So i think that, when She Is in the cube under the Lake, After Dale left Mr Crow could have putted in her mind a false Memory where She changes the past and she's still alive, in order ti be sure that She won't create problems in the future.
floral mauve
So, i think the blue cubes can exist and work in the reality (we see One in cave...
I agree with this
azure bay
I have some alternatives
azure bay
do you know that The Mill happens after Fall 1971?
floral mauve
obviously
azure bay
e.g. Laura's corruption took place after her first appearance as a CS
floral mauve
i dont get it
royal notch
also how they caught Laura after she becomes CS
I think the enlighteneds could have convinced her ti be able ti change the past with that machine. 
floral mauve
a more reliable present mind i see
cerulean crypt
Actualy you ever wonder why Adolus has a sewd mounth?
azure bay
I think the enlighteneds could have convinced her ti be able ti change the past ...
I think it wasn't Crow on the phone. He told nothing about the past being not dead or about finding him in the past
floral mauve
Actualy you ever wonder why Adolus has a sewd mounth?
disguise
royal notch
I think it wasn't Crow on the phone. He told nothing about the past being not de...
And Who was, then?
floral mauve
exactly
azure bay
Laura from winter 1981
cerulean crypt
You are trying to tell that he just sew his own mounth do diudgide himself?
floral mauve
emm you cant call back time
azure bay
emm you cant call back time
there are plenty of examples
floral mauve
You are trying to tell that he just sew his own mounth do diudgide himself?
Its a skin I believe
royal notch
emm you cant call back time
But that's a false memor y
floral mauve
trueeee
cerulean crypt
Its a skin I believe
WHAT
floral mauve
PARADOX
cerulean crypt
Dale use a scicors to open his mount
azure bay
But that's a false memor y
the memories we originally see Laura in are not altered
floral mauve
CONTRADICTION
cerulean crypt
this will be really taken to far disguise
floral mauve
as I mentioned seasons may not happen at all
its all false memories
we only know the result that Laura is died
murdered
azure bay
it's anticlimactic calling good endings false, y'know
floral mauve
bruh
azure bay
I prefer finding ways to make them happen
floral mauve
but its true otherwise how is she died
still died
past has not being changed
Mr Owl is a fraud
azure bay
but its true otherwise how is she died
Seasons don't contradict her death. They are depicting her way of canceling it
floral mauve
azure bay
it could be a retroactive reality bending
it could be placed in a different timeline, as, according to some time travel theories, these are created each time someone goes to the past
there are some philosophical perspectives telling that our own vision defines the reality
there is literally no need to ruin the story by declaring it being false
floral mauve
its not ruined tbh
just linking them together
it is a remarkable act already
linking a huge storyline in 5 years time without being contradictive
floral mauve
there are some philosophical perspectives telling that our own vision defines th...
superliminal
lov it
azure bay
linking a huge storyline in 5 years time without being contradictive
Believe me, there are tons of ways to do so
azure bay
it makes no effort
It depends
floral mauve
It will make the serie loses control
like for example, Mr rabbit kill everyone in one timeline
but reversed using blue cube to create another timeline
thats just like DC
azure bay
Both in DC & here it requires certain conditions
azure bay
There are many things that would be explained by time travel. Most of them are associated with CS
The only alive person to seemingly have this ability is Harvey
Dale seems to be partly corrupted in order to take his journey
But Harvey brings Emma's letter to Frank just like she brings Laura a flower - both takes decades to accomplish but only one takes place in memories
So the other time could be also real
either way there will be plot holes no matter what set of beliefs you adopt
there is no good way to fulfill all of them
the most elegant way to cover one of them inevitably contradicts the most elegant way to cover another one
plus, most of the times this "elegant" is pretty subjective
floral mauve
The only alive person to seemingly have this ability is Harvey
Character*
we dont know if he is a person*
azure bay
what's the criteria of a person?
floral mauve
past
floral mauve
what's the criteria of a person?
human head
in this universe
thats the definition of human
and not black(its not racist) CS
floral mauve
so yes he is human
cerulean crypt
but he isn't human
floral mauve
his human form*
cerulean crypt
he is in other part of samsara wheel
floral mauve
god dammit
wait
listen to the explanation
so Rusty Lake studio based the animal and human and animal head human thing on the Buddism
azure bay
Harvey acts pretty consciously in these games & she is likely to preserve her past life memories of serving Owl in the hotel.
Corrupted souls are also conscious & most of them also have memories of their past life
For me that's enough to call someone a person
floral mauve
Harvey acts pretty consciously in these games & she is likely to preserve her pa...
he*
or he she
azure bay
male parrots don't lay eggs
covert wyvern
let's forego the gender discussion for now.
floral mauve
trans
cerulean crypt
And it come bacc to gender
covert wyvern
if you're unsure about pronouns just use they / them 😉
cerulean crypt
OF FICTIONAL PAROT
vague imp
Here we go again
covert wyvern
I need to moderate, lmao
floral mauve
and enthusiasitc
covert wyvern
what do you expect me to do?
covert wyvern
anyway, I request we pass by the gender discussion today, It's been talked about extensively in the last week.
cerulean crypt
And hit from unknow
covert wyvern
continue on, to be human or not to be human.
covert wyvern
(I personally assume Harvey at some point WAS human)
cerulean crypt
But we never see it
azure bay
Harvey might has a human form
maybe in the past
covert wyvern
but im unsure about that status now 
cerulean crypt
but it is reqirement to become human-animal
floral mauve
might be
cerulean crypt
they can't skip that part of samsara wheel
floral mauve
but it is reqirement to become human-animal
I think you need to learn more about the context
cerulean crypt
no one except james will give elixir to animal
floral mauve
buddism samsara is confusing for Western ppl
but Rusty Lake studio is really creative
cerulean crypt
I am from west of east
floral mauve
its my first time to see a game use samsara in this way
azure bay
they can't skip that part of samsara wheel
samsara wheel is not the straight sequence. Originally, you may get any form respective to your karma
floral mauve
exactly
cerulean crypt
But we see that to reach enlighment you need to do soething
azure bay
ritual or drink elixir
there must be another way because a whole asura society was teased in Hotel
floral mauve
the thing I would like to confirm with you guys
azure bay
& elixir is rare
cerulean crypt
It is just egg and glass
floral mauve
the elixir drunk by Mr Owl and Crow was incomplete right?
azure bay
It is just egg and glass
that's what the player sees
floral mauve
so they gotta keep drinking it?
cerulean crypt
ye
azure bay
the player is not equal to the protagonist
floral mauve
It is just egg and glass
not really
cerulean crypt
so they gotta keep drinking it?
we see them doing it
azure bay
we see them doing it
it could be just a big reference to the Alchemy game
floral mauve
if Havey's egg is an essential ingredient for incomplete elixir
cerulean crypt
Actualy they do it in cave
floral mauve
why Harvey is alive in the first place
azure bay
Actualy they do it in cave
the make just an extract
floral mauve
Actualy they do it in cave
thats from the inmortal dog
cerulean crypt
But they drink it
real lantern
It is just egg and glass
Me and nowherecaw had this discussion a few weeks ago, the whole alchemy minigame isnt showing the recipe to the elixir, its just showing that they used alchemy to achieve the elixir,
floral mauve
but how can the dog be inmortal if the elixir is incomplete???
covert wyvern
sometimes it's just gameplay and not lore ;p
azure bay
but how can the dog be inmortal if the elixir is incomplete???
dog is not immortal. The elixir particles are clearly leaving its body
one day they'll all be gone
cerulean crypt
By extrements
azure bay
& no more extract
floral mauve
Is it because Aldous is a nice person that he feed the elixir potion to the dog every wekk?
covert wyvern
either that or the dog is a walking particle making machine
floral mauve
Is it because Aldous is a nice person that he feed the elixir potion to the dog ...
that has been extracted from his own feces
azure bay
Is it because Aldous is a nice person that he feed the elixir potion to the dog ...
for some reason they don't have the elixir in 1972
floral mauve
or simply because he ate his own sht
like Mr Boar
cycle of the life I see
I am high
azure bay
that has been extracted from his own feces
it's more simple
the dog just drank the elixir 10 years after Aldous did
floral mauve
for some reason they don't have the elixir in 1972
so they cant even make the incomplete version of the elixir
real lantern
Its just that the dog still has the elixir from the time he drank it
In his body i mean
azure bay
so they cant even make the incomplete version of the elixir
complete & incomplete elixirs are yet to be defined
floral mauve
Its just that the dog still has the elixir from the time he drank it
I thought you gotta constantly drink the incomplete elixir to stay inmortal
floral mauve
complete & incomplete elixirs are yet to be defined
true but thats the goal of Mr owl no?
to drink the complete elixir
real lantern
Yes, but it takes time for the elixir to leave the body, time that hasnt passed for the dog yet
cerulean crypt
We don't know what Owl want to do
real lantern
So he still has it inside his body from the day he was fed it
floral mauve
Yes, but it takes time for the elixir to leave the body, time that hasnt passed ...
wow 200 years old dog
floral mauve
We don't know what Owl want to do
he said it and its in theatre and cave
not said it but foreshadow
cerulean crypt
how?
floral mauve
he said it and its in theatre and cave
and paradox
cerulean crypt
but in mill he wants to help Dale
cerulean crypt
so amybe he has a two goals
royal notch
he wants to be the fish
I don't think so!
azure bay
true but thats the goal of Mr owl no?
I see a possibility of Caroline & William both creating a complete elixir. However, the formula is lost so Owl has to consume a weaker extract e.g. an "incomplete" elixir.
azure bay
fish is his future form after he dies
cerulean crypt
Actualy what Caroline try to do?
astral frost
Saving Jakob I think(?)
azure bay
making him a servant of the lake
floral mauve
so the wheel of Samsara in buddism indicate
azure bay
But there was a recipe
for some reason, Owl & Crow don't use it
floral mauve
the position of fish is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devaloka
so Mr Owl wants to be inmortal and kinda god
but just an interpretation
cerulean crypt
But he isn't now powerful enought?
floral mauve
according to the trend
azure bay
the position of fish is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devaloka
Devaloka is signed with a question mark. Dale is to occupy it
floral mauve
But he isn't now powerful enought?
he isnt inmortal
azure bay
currently, he is
floral mauve
yep
azure bay
in the future he'll become a Deva
cerulean crypt
But now what is he?
floral mauve
Remember the play Fish and Parrot?
azure bay
But now what is he?
when is "now"?
covert wyvern
if we assume the cave ending as a conclusion to Dales story
royal notch
But now what is he?
He Is human, but he's have to defeat his corrupted soul.
covert wyvern
I suppose he's on his way top the next step
cerulean crypt
So that why there is question mark
floral mauve
Fish was Mr Owl's representation
azure bay
if we assume the cave ending as a conclusion to Dales story
The Cave takes place before Birthday & Theatre
cerulean crypt
'cuz mr owl don't know how it will be llok?
floral mauve
So that why there is question mark
the the final goal that no one knows?
cerulean crypt
I think they just don't know what form it will take
floral mauve
Aldous doesnt know William would die does he?
cerulean crypt
'cuz no one reach it
azure bay
alright the *elevator ride up to the hotel after theatre
for we've settled the time period, I think he's balancing between a human & corrupted state, as we see during his elevator ride
cerulean crypt
But he aslo want to destroy CS
azure bay
In FIsh and Parrot, the Fish went up
dude, "the fish & the parrot" was about the animal realm of bhvacakra
fishes just seem to fly in RL
floral mauve
bruh
azure bay
how otherwise they are being caught in those traps?
floral mauve
fish is weird in this universe
azure bay
agree
royal notch
Also, in the letter in the mill, Mr Owl says that he could have found "the one who can stop the corrupted souls under the Lake".
azure bay
Also, in the letter in the mill, Mr Owl says that he could have found "the one w...
I've heard an opinion that Dale's destiny is not just to become a deva but also redeem all the local cs
floral mauve
then why CSs were created in the first place???
bruh
just for Dale to destroy it?
royal notch
I've heard an opinion that Dale's destiny is not just to become a deva but also ...
It's literally written in that letter...
azure bay
It's literally written in that letter...
not literally. The way of removing them isn't indicated
royal notch
then why CSs were created in the first place???
The 5 corrupted souls should have been Locked.
azure bay
it could be either peaceful of agressive
floral mauve
it could be either peaceful of agressive
never seen a peaceful one
only the calmed ones after being agressive
royal notch
Agree.
azure bay
never seen a peaceful one
I'm talking about a different thing
floral mauve
like Bob and Laura
floral mauve
I'm talking about a different thing
?
azure bay
Dale may remove them peacefully or aggressively once he reaches his apotheosis
floral mauve
oh sorry
I dont read
but I still dont get why Mr Owl created them(CS) in the first place
if its all for Dale to eliminate them
royal notch
They haven't been created.
azure bay
I don't think he created them on that purpose
floral mauve
I don't think he created them on that purpose
maybe
azure bay
let's remember the Hotel ending
floral mauve
(keep stabbing 5 guests)
azure bay
Owl shows Harvey the future
the future of guests wandering the lake
& Dale reaching the hotel
floral mauve
yes
royal notch
(keep stabbing 5 guests)
Yes, but he knows that the 5 corrupted souls will try to take revenge, so he Locked them, but the next year they escaped.
azure bay
what this act benefits him
he knows the chosen one
floral mauve
bruh
azure bay
Yes, but he knows that the 5 corrupted souls will try to take revenge, so he Loc...
I think this escape wasn't according to plan :з
floral mauve
true
royal notch
I never said that.
azure bay
Pheasant is also kinda weird
azure bay
If the actress is a new incarnation of Pheasant, she conflicts with her corrupted counterpart still haunting the lake
floral mauve
I personally think the 5 animals are just the representation ritual next to Rusty Lake
you know traditional thinge
real lantern
What?
floral mauve
there are always 5 black animals near the lake and murder ppl
royal notch
If the actress is a new incarnation of Pheasant, she conflicts with her corrupte...
For me, all the guests are dead, and that's the end of their story, since their corrupted souls are under the Lake.
floral mauve
the local villager Eilanders have a say
idk I dont even know what I am talking about
azure bay
For me, all the guests are dead, and that's the end of their story, since their ...
then please explain why does the actress share Pheasant's dress, career, music theme & a hat as "the substance of her past life"
royal notch
Theatre Is modified by the Lake.
floral mauve
the actress is real tho
true
the substance in her life made Ms pheasant shot herself
like the first play
azure bay
the substance in her life made Ms pheasant shot herself
honestly, I see exactly this connection being too far-fetched
royal notch
That could be a sobstitute or whatever. You too Say to do not make things overcomplicated.
For me, it's Just a person.
azure bay
for some reason the devs want us to associate this person with Pheasant
floral mauve
yep
azure bay
even the freaking music theme
floral mauve
even same dress
thats why David Eilander the frog freak doesnt make sense to me with Mr Rabbit
but they confirmed it as well
royal notch
even the freaking music theme
When did you Hear Ms pheasant sing?
azure bay
When did you Hear Ms pheasant sing?
not song. Just background music by Victor Butzelaar
royal notch
In the room?
azure bay
In the room?
it's used both in Pheasant's room & the 1st Theatre play
royal notch
I didn't notice that, Sorry.
floral mauve
if you know the code for the pistol box, she doesnt need to take a single photo to shoot herself
gg
azure bay
I didn't notice that, Sorry.
you may check out the OST for these 2 games. Even the titles are alike
royal notch
But anyway, so Bob memories in The White Door are real?
Or modified by the Institute?
azure bay
But anyway, so Bob memories in The White Door are real?
most of them, I think, are intact
only the last one seems to be altered
I mean
the one before it
royal notch
"The Lost soul" surely.
azure bay
cause the day 7 looks a lot like a direct continuation of dream 6
azure bay
"The Lost soul" surely.
it could be affected right there with no further alterations
floral mauve
"The Lost soul" surely.
the music is lit though
but I dont understand the ending
which one the the true ending
the Sarah one or the day 7
an one timeline only
day 7 ending is what I really want
azure bay
I know several interpretations
floral mauve
but I think its most likely Sarah one
I think by the end of day 7 Bob was still in bed pass out
as in corrupted form
azure bay
these 2 endings may or may not share the timeline. If you want The Bird ending to be real, you have to accept the branching plot
azure bay
my opinion is that "The Author Is Dead"
floral mauve
bruh
azure bay
now we're the author
vague imp
Cant blame him
floral mauve
and he is 41?
azure bay
he is
floral mauve
his life is fucked basically
and include side effect of gun shot
dementia likely
I see a new Dale on the way
royal notch
I think Bob is sad
Nah, in the normal ending he bring color to his Life.
azure bay
his life is fucked basically
my Father is 50 & he's getting a new life time to time
floral mauve
well there are so many side effect for Bob to live
btw do you guys think Sarah is into bob
her smile is creep as f
azure bay
btw do you guys think Sarah is into bob
probably. not sure yet
btw the shot may be not real or not have the real effects
royal notch
her smile is creep as f
What? 😂 OK.
azure bay
there is no scar left after the bullet hole
floral mauve
btw the shot may be not real or not have the real effects
might be true
azure bay
and he poked it lol<:hold_up:783683378254708747>
I think it was his fever dream of poking it
floral mauve
he is high as f in his dream
royal notch
I think that the Theatre dream Is not real, as the Lost soul One.
azure bay
I think that the Theatre dream Is not real, as the Lost soul One.
what happened then?
& why did Owl need to put those in?
floral mauve
well if theatre isnt real how can two ppl get in the same dream
plus how can Bob be traumatized of it
or become corrupted
azure bay
well if theatre isnt real how can two ppl get in the same dream
it could be created by the same person. But for what reason?
azure bay
(while he's typing, catch this: Paradox inevitably creates 2 timelines by its 2 secret endings)
:p
floral mauve
(while he's typing, catch this: Paradox inevitably creates 2 timelines by its 2 ...
oh shit
i didnt play the secret ending
of paradox
royal notch
what happened then?
The barman wasn't Aldous, he got drunk and he fell asleep in the street. Mr Owl took him in his Institute and putted in his mind those memories to give an explaination for his retirement. But in reality, he never signed that paper. The reason why Jakob wanted him maybe Is not for a determined conveniences, but only because Bob, in the future, could May really commits suicide for the pain. So Mr Owl try to convince him to bring color to his Life.
azure bay
The barman wasn't Aldous, he got drunk and he fell asleep in the street. Mr Owl ...
there was almost a year between the supposed Theatre event & TWD
Bob's got even arrested during that time span
royal notch
I didn't thought that. You're right.
floral mauve
The barman wasn't Aldous, he got drunk and he fell asleep in the street. Mr Owl ...
wtf did i just see
azure bay
wtf did i just see
don't be harsh
floral mauve
not harsh but surprised
azure bay
previously I was thinking that Bob shot himself in the PD using the policeman's gun. But TWD that seems to be way more real than the Thatre game convinced me orherwise
azure bay
maybe it's not too accurate due to the gameplay sake
floral mauve
he could have taken the gun back after Bob shot himself
and sell to the next person
royal notch
the scene of trading gun is funny as f
That's why i don't really believe it's real.
azure bay
That's why i don't really believe it's real.
these are 2 different way to see any game: you either see them not being completely real or completely unreal. (You may also see them completely real but that's another story)
floral mauve
it portrays Mr Crow as a greedy fuck who cares about money only 
I think outside TWD Mr Crow is nice
azure bay
the background makes me think that The Lady of The Lake dream wasn't completely real because of gameplay
the devs just needed to place somewhere some simple puzzles hide somewhere a secret lore-heavy scene
royal notch
You're talking about that achievment, right?
azure bay
yeah
they needed to confirm that Dale has actually visited that theater alongside with Bob
royal notch
That's why i think that the scene of the trading can't be real. Dale would have arrested Aldous 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
azure bay
if he'd see that
but I don't think that Bob interested Dale that much
Dale never suspected Bob
someone else probably did
royal notch
but I don't think that Bob interested Dale that much
Mmmh, anyway a man with a pistol in his head make his scene...
royal notch
Dale never suspected Bob
I agree.
azure bay
Mmmh, anyway a man with a pistol in his head make his scene...
everyone's attention was towards the stage
royal notch
That's unlucky, then. 😂
But anyway, Dale must have know that Bob was Laura's boyfriend.
azure bay
But anyway, Dale must have know that Bob was Laura's boyfriend.
that's why he promised to find her
royal notch
Maybe he saw the letter on the table.
floral mauve
that's why he promised to find her
when?
floral mauve
Dale never suspected Bob
didnt he see Bob in Case 23?
floral mauve
the secret scene during dream 4
ah ok
azure bay
ch2 of Case 23 (at least before possible retcon in CE Collection) happens almost a year after the original Theatre event
royal notch
A detective must suspects of everyone, so, also if he was sure that Bob would never have done that, he had to interrogate him.
azure bay
We know that Dale was interested exclusively in the lake
royal notch
They're both poor guys, but with a big hearth.
azure bay
there's even no info on Bob in Case 23 file in Dale's mind depicted in Paradox
royal notch
Yeah, maybe some superior called him for the interrogatory.
azure bay
I see a possibility of Mr. Owl orchestrating Bob's arrest in order to test Dale & prove him worthy
Dale's test mentioned in The Mill was finding cubes
floral mauve
ch2 of Case 23 (at least before possible retcon in CE Collection) happens almost...
ah sorry I didnt look the complete timeline
royal notch
I see a possibility of Mr. Owl orchestrating Bob's arrest in order to test Dale ...
It could be.
azure bay
In another secret scene Dale even directly asks corrupted Bob for his memories
floral mauve
bruh
royal notch
For me, that's not true.
azure bay
For me, that's not true.
what's the reason now?
floral mauve
I should have played all secret scene in TWD
royal notch
what's the reason now?
He never saw a corrupted soul before, and instead to get scared as hell (since Bob also HANGED a policemen), he asks his Memory. Also, how can he know that those cubes are not Simply cubes, but memories?
azure bay
He never saw a corrupted soul before, and instead to get scared as hell (since B...
Bare in mind that Dale was investigating the lake for almost a year. He could discover more than we think
royal notch
So much?
azure bay
why not?
royal notch
I don't know, seems both ok and not for me.
azure bay
For me, we're seeing Dale resolving a ton of puzzles. The one with cubes in ch2 wouldn't be easy if he wasn't that capable. I think we underrate his detective experience
royal notch
Yeah, maybe.
azure bay
being a silent protagonist hurts him as a character
royal notch
azure bay
only in the recent installments (the Paradox movie & several cameos in TWD) mostly defined his character
before that he wasn't more than just a dummy to be controlled by the screen taps
azure bay
not quite. Plain text is usually poor in emotions
azure bay
a frustrate confused detective
I did never get that much of this vibe
azure bay
I've seen him more as a hardworking person and even passionate by his work
or at least by the last case of his
but David Bowles' performance made him more humain & caring about others
& in TWD he was such a chill dude most of the time
floral mauve
& in TWD he was such a chill dude most of the time
the thing in TWD，Dale wore a deer mask which reveals he might have a different personality or something
azure bay
the thing in TWD，Dale wore a deer mask which reveals he might have a different p...
In Paradox it was an actual deer head
azure bay
I guess, it's his future god form
floral mauve
made out of a real deer head
floral mauve
I guess, it's his future god form
its not， ita apotho form
I dont know if I have spelt that correctly
the form like Mr Crow and Owl
floral mauve
not the god devaloka one
azure bay
he's fortold to become deva
azure bay
he did not become it. There was no confirmed real life appearance of him
Paradox is in Dale's mind
azure bay
TLS dream was in Bob's mind
floral mauve
azure bay
however, I have some doubts.
but since I have no alternative to say, I'll stick to this version
Another reason I think that CS are able to travel through timelines more freely is the fact that corrupted Dale has met a ton of other his versions in his mind
most of them occupied it during other iterations of Paradox loop
some may show his possible future
The deer Dale also knows about the choice the corrupted one made
if we assume that the choice was about saving or sacrificing Laura, the deer Dale would be the one to have sacrificed her in order to become enlightened
That sacrifice is probably depicted by the corrupted Dale welding the knife
stable wigeon
Another reason I think that CS are able to travel through timelines more freely ...
I thought technically they just revisit their cubes potentially while trapped in/under the lake
like we experience in seasons
azure bay
This seems to be not the only way
While Leonard's flashbacks could be perceived as the cubes stored in his head the secret scene of Samsara Room has seemingly nothing to do with memories
stable wigeon
was talking about laura tho in seasons
but yeah
i mean im aware they arent always in hell since that is it's own part of the wheel
azure bay
Laura in Seasons was traveling via cubes. Here's nothing to discuss
stable wigeon
but corrupted souls must balance their substance of the past lives to escape right
or is that something else
azure bay
I have an impression that corrupted souls can be reborn after a while on their own
Everyone we've seen being active in this seem just speeding the process up & willing to get a certain form
I could be wrong tho
There's no evidence in the games
stable wigeon
or is it to escape hell
like i said im very much confused with how they are two separate stages
and what one does to escape hell vs what one does to be reborn from a CP
azure bay
According to samsara, pretas are just ghosts & naraka is a bunch of hells for sinner's souls
stable wigeon
but naraka is right under the lake
and we see cubes present there
so it isnt far fetched to say that seasons could happen when lauras soul was there
is it
azure bay
We've seen just several CS wandering the lake
azure bay
so it isnt far fetched to say that seasons could happen when lauras soul was the...
It could be like that. It could be otherwise. There are a lot behind the scenes to happen
1st of all Laura had to get her memories back somehow somewhen
stable wigeon
see i think she didnt get them back she was just roaming the lake
azure bay
Bare in mind that there are also memories after her corruption
& winter ones are pretty late in the timeline
azure bay
Long after Dale's story is expected to end
stable wigeon
yeah which is why seasons happens after dale
azure bay
winter ones i thought were present
As long as these are also memories it could be the recent past from Laura's perspective
stable wigeon
and why she cant save herself for dale to continue to deva
but hmm
if that is a past memory
why would her CP revisit the memory of her escaping the CP state
thats self contradictory
azure bay
It would if her initial attempt to fix everything was failure
stable wigeon
but we witness it right
oh so u mean
the whole getting the fuel didnt happen the first time
azure bay
Probably
stable wigeon
but
that memory would still have to be her as a cp
why would over 6 years later she come back and try it again
and if she was a cp
azure bay
What 6 years r u talking about?
stable wigeon
then that suggests that before she couldnt access her past memories
not 6 i dont remember
she died in whay
71?
azure bay
Yep
stable wigeon
thatd be 11 years right
azure bay
10
stable wigeon
but again that means she couldnt access her memories even though she was a cp
if she failed the first time
but the room shes in
is that a physical room by winter 81?
azure bay
Let me try to remember how I see everything there
At first she just remembers how it went
Then she remembered her reaction on her own death
stable wigeon
but wasnt able to get the fuel...?
azure bay
Not sure
stable wigeon
my question is whether she was able to access her previous memories in 1981
assuming that is indeed a past memory relative to the time seasons takes place
azure bay
She seems to relive all the events in the original order and presumably with no alterations
These's also a little bit of weirdness with her The Mill timeline
azure bay
The date states otherwise
stable wigeon
but that is me assuming that 81 happened
present
if it happened past then yeah that doesnt make sense
azure bay
Fall 1971 is happening after her death but before her corruption in The Mill
stable wigeon
right
azure bay
So she could either kinda travel through time already then or somehow get temporarily corrupted before The Mill
stable wigeon
why
wait why doesnt the time match
isnt the mill in 72
seasons takes place after that
or at least the winter does
azure bay
Laura dies in october 1971 then we see her realizing that, killing Harvey & we se her body being corrupted the next year
stable wigeon
that all happened after
after the initial memory
presumably in 81
maybe a little after (or before if future)
azure bay
The thing is that all the memories before Laura getting the blue cube seem to flow naturally
So her initial appearance as a ghost was documented before the event of her confirmed corruption
stable wigeon
you think she was a ghost right after she died?
if so maybe we are confusing hungry ghost with hell again?
azure bay
you think she was a ghost right after she died?
I don't think anything specifically here
I present 2 ways to interprete this
floral mauve
winter ones i thought were present
or her own paradox
stable wigeon
well if she was corrupted a good time after her death she was obviously something after her death and before she was a cp
maybe she just went to hell
and the corruption brought her back
floral mauve
like Paradox in Dale's mind
floral mauve
or in the lake
in the cave machine
azure bay
Paradox is way different to Seasons. I see this analogy inapropriate
stable wigeon
for dale to live
floral mauve
for sure?
not sure but she didnt change the reality that she is still died no?
Winter didnt happen
stable wigeon
but her memory wouldnt be her living
cuz the greater picture she needs to die for dale to live
floral mauve
false memory possible
floral mauve
cuz the greater picture she needs to die for dale to live
certainly
azure bay
Winter didnt happen
If you have strong evidence for that, present it to us. Otherwise, please let us continue assuming it being real
floral mauve
but what she tried in Seasons is reverse
floral mauve
If you have strong evidence for that, present it to us. Otherwise, please let us...
assuming what
oh
being real as Laura reborn?
being alive?
she is died
floral mauve
she didnt change the result
azure bay
she didnt change the result
You don't know this. You just believe so
stable wigeon
to seal their fate
floral mauve
dale killed her
but he is not certain no?
floral mauve
yes
stable wigeon
pretty explicitly killed her
floral mauve
but chapter 2 may not be real
stable wigeon
right
floral mauve
its in his mind
azure bay
Paradox could be metaphorical. So Dale is just another suspect in my book.
floral mauve
yes
stable wigeon
if he escaped and reaches enlightenment
laura has to die
maybe though
maybe 81 happened in paradox
floral mauve
but is he conscious while escaped?
azure bay
@floral mauve I'm affraid we can never be sure if something is real or not. So please always mark down that all you say are just assumptions.
floral mauve
ok
floral mauve
laura has to die
but didnt she die already with her body dragged on the machine?
azure bay
but didnt she die already with her body dragged on the machine?
She is not chained to the machine for eternity. She could escape, regain her memories & make Seasons happen
floral mauve
btw one thing I dont know is do CS have a physical body
floral mauve
Like Laura maintain her deadbody below her CS
I dont know how to describe
like you know Laura has flesh
while stay corrupted
azure bay
Corruped body would probably be the term
floral mauve
which is a bit special
floral mauve
Corruped body would probably be the term
not sure if the flesh was corrupted
lol
still fresh
azure bay
Mr. Owl referred to the body corruption in his letter
floral mauve
emmmm I guess no details specifically on that
azure bay
So I propose to agree on calling Laura's case a corrupted body
azure bay
Not really
floral mauve
she has flesh and she is died but can move
lost most of her consciousness
and memories
so she is a zombie
and she can be agressive
azure bay
She's not decaying
azure bay
Corruption & rotting are not the same
azure bay
The next time I suggest you using the "to rot" word to make your point more clear
Her body was covered by corruption
floral mauve
The next time I suggest you using the "to rot" word to make your point more clea...
sorry English is not my first language
I know the word rot btw
floral mauve
Her body was covered by corruption
with no rot body
azure bay
sorry English is not my first language
Relatable. We all learn it at some point
floral mauve
so her soul is still in her body I guess
which makes her neither dead or alive?
CS is like snails
azure bay
In order to understand if Laura is dead or alive we beed to understand CS more. That's a completely different question.
What I know for sure: if the corruption is somehow gone, the body will be be intact. Maybe even the throat would heal
We've seen her temporarily going back to human in The Cave
floral mauve
emmmm
that links back to your reborn theory
that Corrupted have chances to reborn
as long as they regain their memories and wait enough time?
floral mauve
if flesh can be grown on CS
I think I have a cursed CS flesh farm
wanna get unlimited rabbit leg?
visit RUSTY LAKE FARM
azure bay
Rebirth usually means a new body & a new set of memories
azure bay
Stop
azure bay
There are many different examples that may be perceived as rebirths
floral mauve
Rebirth usually means a new body & a new set of memories
William takes three generations to do it
how can Mr rabbit reborn without any sacrifice
except been shot
for Rabbit there has been two main theories
one is that Mr Rabbit is the reborn D.E
azure bay
(Rabbit in BD being David is not a theory but a fact since Paradox)
floral mauve
another one is that there are two rabbit one is D.E white one, and another one is the guest Big Chungus one
floral mauve
(Rabbit in BD being David is not a theory but a fact since Paradox)
Then why the hell there is another rabbit outside the window
except explain it using your time travel theory
azure bay
I've gave you my explanation, if you don't like it, you are free to find the one of your own
But the guest Rabbit is expected to become a CS in sheets
& that CS in sheets appeared outside his window
floral mauve
The thing is that if Mr Rabbit lost his memories of been D.E
how is he still been called D.E
on the phone book
you said he lost his memories as reborn
azure bay
He's lost this memories just inside his head.
The same thing happened to William. Laura doesn't remember the elixir formula yet it's confirmed that it's still present in her cubes & that makes her important for the ritual
floral mauve
so you mean her subconscious still knows that she is William?
azure bay
I mean that there are memories about her past life somewhere deep in her head
floral mauve
but in paradox the brain swaps completly for past present and future
or thats another thing
azure bay
but in paradox the brain swaps completly for past present and future
What are you trying to say?
floral mauve
reborn should lose all the memories
azure bay
reborn should lose all the memories
Apparently, they don't
Jacob was burnt to death yet while being Mr. Owl he still identifies himself as Jacob
floral mauve
Jacob was burnt to death yet while being Mr. Owl he still identifies himself as ...
ah true
azure bay
since she was born
Some tend to think so. And I'm not that sure yet. We're getting a game about her childhood one day
I'll wait til then
floral mauve
I wonder how Laura spent her childhood with Rose
for some reason the side branches of the Vanderbooms dont smile that much
Rose's face is deadly pale and like a pokerface
azure bay
Returning to rebirths
floral mauve
William is the case which your theory cannot apply on
azure bay
Which one?
floral mauve
through time the CS will gain the flesh back then reborn
but is William a CS?
in roots
azure bay
I was talking specifically about Rabbit who was having a great journey mostly sinilar to Dale's one. Rabbit was balancing the substance of his past lifes but William had a different way to be reborn.
But 1st let me explain how I see the process in general
floral mauve
azure bay
I think that there are souls. Not corrupted ones. Once a creature dies, its soul some time after gets another body of a different form.
But sometimes something bad happens & the soul gets corrupted. Sometimes they corrupt the body as well, sometimes they leave them behind.
According to the original samsara, pretas (e.g. CS) are
- constantly suffering
- unable to be reborn for some time
but after they suffered enough they get a new body.
I think that's also the case for RL however there are ways to speed this process up. What's more, there are ways to get a certain form.
William's way was the ritual. Laura's way in my eyes was literally reforming her past life. For Rabbit it could be connected directly to the lake.
@floral mauve
floral mauve
I think that there are souls. Not corrupted ones. Once a creature dies, its soul...
something bad happens I think its brutally murder next to lake or sinking black cubes in the lake
tbh, I dont see the balance effect of the black cube in the lake
azure bay
The lake has almost nothing to do with CS
floral mauve
they keep saying you gotta throw cubes to balance the lake
whats the balance for I dont remeber
azure bay
they keep saying you gotta throw cubes to balance the lake
They keep saying that the lake requires the fresh memories
floral mauve
what if you dont give it
just screw the lake
no punishment was mentioned I think?
perhaps instant death?
azure bay
There's an opinion that the plagues were due to Eilanders not giving Caroline's menories to the lake
floral mauve
ahhhh
that makes sense
so normally there is no side effect for throwing white ones
azure bay
Currently I don't completely agree but I expect something similar to happen without fresh memories
floral mauve
but in case there is no white ones they choose to throw black ones
not for the balance sake
but to calm the lake
azure bay
Balancing the substance of past lives in not about giving cubes to the lake
floral mauve
tbh I choose to suffered the plague than deal with the corrupted constantly
but the tenth plague is not natural ones
and nineth
If it was the fault of the lake
the first eight might be
azure bay
For now I'm not sure how to unite all the plagues
You're right about the last 2
At least to some degree
That's why I'm not sure about the reasons behind them
I have a suspicion that you are wrong about black cubes' connection to the corruption
azure bay
What has to be next?
floral mauve
Mr Owl should have moved to TWD like honeymoon with Mr Crow
just ignore the fresh memories lol
azure bay
I think that the lake is able to destroy the world
floral mauve
like if there is no instant death style punishment
why cant they leave the lake
move away
or they just want to use the lake to fulfill their greedy wishes
azure bay
I assume that the plagues are just the least of the lake's abilities
If ignored the consequences may be apocalyptic
floral mauve
oh I have an assumption
the elixir cannot be made outside the Lake range
the ingredient is near the lake or in the lake
floral mauve
If ignored the consequences may be apocalyptic
so Mr Owl is suddenly a hero?
azure bay
Just does his job he was prepared for by Caroline
floral mauve
ignore my sarcastic sound
floral mauve
Just does his job he was prepared for by Caroline
emmm
what job
provide memorise?
azure bay
Not only
azure bay
Not sure if souls are fusable in that way
azure bay
& created elixir
floral mauve
????
azure bay
Using her memories
floral mauve
so memories are the only ingredients for the elixir
azure bay
Their substance was
floral mauve
I have heard Caroline fused Jakob to become Mr Owl
floral mauve
or possibly protect him again by sacrifice her soul
thats a Harry potter style story
if soul can fuse
azure bay
Sacrificing soul is debatable for me
floral mauve
so Jakob got elixir whereas the rest of his family got the enlightment
azure bay
Technically, the elixir gives enlightenment
floral mauve
bruh
so everyone got the enlightenment
guess that a winwin
except Caroline
but she is dead anyway
I am scared
azure bay
so everyone got the enlightenment
Apparently, yes. However I see other Eilanders getting their in a completely different way
floral mauve
did I just get the thought of Mr Deer?
sacrifice wife and son
and everyone gets enlightment
azure bay
I don't think so
They were asking the lake for enlightenment in exchange of sacrifice
Caroline didn't do
floral mauve
yep
azure bay
So they had to return to Jacob
floral mauve
They were asking the lake for enlightenment in exchange of sacrifice
and it has to be the last born right?
azure bay
The 1st you mean? Seemingly so
floral mauve
the 1st born
yes
but how the lake differentiate the first born
a dark curse version
what if the uncle rape the handicap and gave birth as an incest child
azure bay
but how the lake differentiate the first born
No idea. Feels the emotional attachement?
azure bay
There's a special magic in killing firstborns?
floral mauve
idk?
floral mauve
what if the uncle rape the handicap and gave birth as an incest child
like in this case
who is the first born
the last incest child generation
azure bay
I wouldn't theorise on that
floral mauve
or Jakob
maybe period is the difference between the child and woman
omg I gotta stop
lets say the first born has a special smell for the lake
end of the assumption
azure bay
Ok lol
floral mauve
therefore, Caroline tricked all of them
but why does Caroline want to invent the Elixir
in the first place
because she was just as greedy as her family before?
then she regreted and realised that she love her child more than inmortal
enlightment
azure bay
The cult was dying off she needed the one to continue its purpose of providing memories
azure bay
Yeah
floral mauve
but what it has something to do with elixir
azure bay
sacrifice memory cult?
But more likely "getting selfish enlightenment" cult
floral mauve
what makes her think inmortal is the answer to sacrifice memory
floral mauve
But more likely "getting selfish enlightenment" cult
but wdym by the cult is dying off
you mean the family is getting elder?
azure bay
Once all the members get enlightened they leave the cult & the lake
floral mauve
bruh
azure bay
Owl was the one to replace them
floral mauve
so was my assumption right?
about Caroline and elixir
she was greedy but then realised her love towards Jakob
azure bay
She kept the elixir for Jacob
azure bay
& a big hope
floral mauve
sidenote: I dont get why ppl want to be inmortal in the first place
thats not living
azure bay
They are not immortal tho
floral mauve
live long as f
not inmortal
how do you call that in English
idk
like live long as f
azure bay
Prolonged life
azure bay
It's not unlimited
azure bay
But its effect perishes with time
floral mauve
true
azure bay
So they had to stick to the extract & find a successor
floral mauve
but still 150 years are long enough
floral mauve
So they had to stick to the extract & find a successor
the ones who kill the boar will eventually become the boar
eat sht beaches
if I have to live like that i will know what to do immediately
you know what to do x1000
azure bay
Ok. I'm tired now so I'm going to bed
floral mauve
what time