#🤔｜theories | Rusty Lake | Page 94

covert wyvern Oct 28, 2020, 10:04 AM

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Harvey is likely one of the oldest entities in the RL universe

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if not the oldest.

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lmao

vague imp Oct 28, 2020, 10:04 AM

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He is superb old

hollow comet Oct 28, 2020, 10:05 AM

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I like to think he was born sometime around before Paradise as a parrot, then was made into a hybrid by Mr Owl

vague imp Oct 28, 2020, 10:06 AM

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I see 👀 I was starting to think harvey is somewhat immortal

covert wyvern Oct 28, 2020, 10:06 AM

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wouldn't surprise me.

vague imp Oct 28, 2020, 10:06 AM

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Lol you're probably right, birds don't live that long

covert wyvern Oct 28, 2020, 10:06 AM

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parrots live quite the long lives, however.

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the lifespan of an african grey (currently the best bet we have on Harvey as a species) is 60 years!

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but harvey is called the "messenger" of the lake aren't they.

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I assume there's more to them then we currently know,

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as there is with so many things.

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LMAO

spice frigate Oct 28, 2020, 10:08 AM

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and longest living parrot is Kakapo, tho they're endangered species now

covert wyvern Oct 28, 2020, 10:08 AM

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poor kakapos:(

spice frigate Oct 28, 2020, 10:08 AM

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they live Over 95 years

hollow comet Oct 28, 2020, 10:09 AM

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"you're not a hero, you're just a messenger"
sad Harvey noises

vague imp Oct 28, 2020, 10:09 AM

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Yeah this makes a lot of sense. Don't want to overthink it though cos harvey is just a messenger and that's all he can be in the Rusty lake universe

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I'm no longer curious:) thanks for answering my Q

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For now we only k ow he is messenger

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Maybe ij future games we gonna see more about it

undone sun Oct 28, 2020, 3:23 PM

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Harvey appears during the third plague in paradise (1796) and in the las level of season (1981), so harvey its at least 185 years old , as laura said , it all started with harveys egg

spice rampart Oct 28, 2020, 4:49 PM

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Is Harvey now dead? Because that's what I saw in the wiki page of RL.

hollow comet Oct 28, 2020, 4:50 PM

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📎 Screenshot_20201028-222034069_1.jpg

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?

polar warren Oct 28, 2020, 4:52 PM

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human form harvey seems to be ded tho

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but bird form harve seems to be aliv

hollow comet Oct 28, 2020, 4:53 PM

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I think he was transformed? So the forms don't exist seperately

polar warren Oct 28, 2020, 4:54 PM

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ye true

vague imp Oct 28, 2020, 6:23 PM

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Didn't know there was a human form harvey?

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Male in hotel and female in other games could probably mean that original harvey procreated and had a baby bird that became another harvey and so on. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Maybe that's the true purpose of a harvey - to always have a messenger for the lake

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But who knows 😊😊 harvey is my favourite character hehe

covert wyvern Oct 28, 2020, 6:27 PM

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Harvey is simply

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trans.

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Like

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I think it's a really bad take to call harvey male bc of their suit.

vague imp Oct 28, 2020, 6:30 PM

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Then why would someone state that harvey is male and/ female?
How does that person know for sure ?

Doesn't this information need to be looked at by the developers to be published on wiki?

covert wyvern Oct 28, 2020, 6:31 PM

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No

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the wiki is public domain

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I could go on and edit it right now if I so desired.

vague imp Oct 28, 2020, 6:31 PM

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Thats dangerous 👀

covert wyvern Oct 28, 2020, 6:32 PM

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That's why you're not allowed to source wikipedia when writing academic papers 😉

vague imp Oct 28, 2020, 6:33 PM

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@covert wyvern yeah I just go straight to the journal haha, cos sometimes wiki doesn't have references so you can't expect everything to be true

covert wyvern Oct 28, 2020, 6:33 PM

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Exactly.

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Wikipedia, or any wiki is editable by the public which is fine especially the regular wikipedia is heavily monitored

vague imp Oct 28, 2020, 6:34 PM

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But we need to find the source of this information lol, what were they thinking about male and female harvey 😅

covert wyvern Oct 28, 2020, 6:34 PM

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Ah

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the gender is sourced

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but the content is no longer available

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lmao

vague imp Oct 28, 2020, 6:36 PM

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Oh. Weird. But oh well...
Harvey is probs just chilling in this lake :)

covert wyvern Oct 28, 2020, 6:36 PM

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That is something we can all agree on.

azure bay Oct 28, 2020, 8:26 PM

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William has also reincarnated as a woman & no one has any problem here

astral frost Oct 28, 2020, 9:41 PM

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William has also reincarnated as a woman & no one has any problem here
@azure bay AHAHAH I LOVE YOU DUDE

ivory girder Oct 29, 2020, 5:50 AM

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dale's grandpa somehow had the receipe of the gin tonic

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what do u guys think about this?

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he must have been related to theatre somehow

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so is it another proof that he is mr. crow?

vague imp Oct 29, 2020, 5:51 AM

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Yep

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Grandpa and bartenter is crow

ivory girder Oct 29, 2020, 5:52 AM

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yeah but dale didn't seem to realize him in theatre and case 23 and a lot of games

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so wtf

covert wyvern Oct 29, 2020, 7:04 AM

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The grandpa is not mr crow

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May I point you to the fact that they had a theatre poster in their living room

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It's highly likely the family just liked visiting that theatre

ivory girder Oct 29, 2020, 7:05 AM

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but why did he have the gin tonic receipe

covert wyvern Oct 29, 2020, 7:05 AM

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^

ivory girder Oct 29, 2020, 7:05 AM

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whyyy

covert wyvern Oct 29, 2020, 7:05 AM

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He's a regular

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Also the recipes could just be from a recipe book

ivory girder Oct 29, 2020, 7:05 AM

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but they look so familiar and the voices are almost the same

covert wyvern Oct 29, 2020, 7:06 AM

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Yes, because these games were made in flash player and the assets were reused

ivory girder Oct 29, 2020, 7:06 AM

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so why dale is related to the lake

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why did mr rabbit have to kill all his family

covert wyvern Oct 29, 2020, 7:07 AM

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We don't onow

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Know*

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We really don't know.

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Lmao

ivory girder Oct 29, 2020, 7:07 AM

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lmao

vague imp Oct 29, 2020, 7:07 AM

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The grandpa is not mr crow
My bad then. Apologise

covert wyvern Oct 29, 2020, 7:07 AM

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I mean you could be right

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And the recipe could hint towards that

ivory girder Oct 29, 2020, 7:08 AM

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yeah we really don't know anything

covert wyvern Oct 29, 2020, 7:08 AM

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But if mr crow is dales grandpa

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IF

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Where was the Grandma?

ivory girder Oct 29, 2020, 7:08 AM

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in the mill?

covert wyvern Oct 29, 2020, 7:08 AM

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The old woman in the mill is clearly related to the mr crow

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Surely she wouldn't be locked away for her grandsons birthday party!

ivory girder Oct 29, 2020, 7:08 AM

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we don't know anything lol

covert wyvern Oct 29, 2020, 7:09 AM

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You're right! We don't.

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That's why this channel is called theories and not facts ;)

vague imp Oct 29, 2020, 7:09 AM

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I always thought that grandpa is crow

covert wyvern Oct 29, 2020, 7:10 AM

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I just don't think we don't have enough definitive evidence to make that conclusion.

vague imp Oct 29, 2020, 7:10 AM

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Maybe future games will show us more info

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Who knows

ivory girder Oct 29, 2020, 7:10 AM

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they keep teasing us lol

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but the only reason mr rabbit killed their family that makes sense is mr crow is grandpa

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if not why

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but again mr owl knows about the death of his family

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if it was mr crow why did he left him dead?

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sry english is not my mother tongue

vague imp Oct 29, 2020, 7:13 AM

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It is fine.

covert wyvern Oct 29, 2020, 7:13 AM

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My theory is that Mr owl wanted dale to become a detective

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So he had a hybrid murder his family

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why Dale is the chosen one is simply impossible to know

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He just was.

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Maybe it's the name

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Vandermeer > from the lake.

ivory girder Oct 29, 2020, 7:14 AM

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that makes sense

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but mr owl killed mr rabbit

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why did mr rabbit listen to him then?

covert wyvern Oct 29, 2020, 7:16 AM

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Mr rabbit probably wanted to die

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Or he wanted out from working with mr owl

vague imp Oct 29, 2020, 7:20 AM

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Im still curious about note that rabbit leaves

hollow comet Oct 29, 2020, 8:06 AM

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Mr Rabbit has always been the odd Eilander

azure bay Oct 29, 2020, 8:25 AM

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The question if Mr. Crow is grandpa Vandermeer is not that simple. Despite me not supporting this connection I admit that I can see a way around it. Yeah, they both have similar facial features. This is a fundamental point. There are 2 ways to percieve it: either they are indeed the same person or it's just a reused sprite.

Let me review all pros & cons from every side:

RL have released whole 9 games during 1 year: Seasons, The Lake, Arles, Harvey's Box, Case 23, The Mill, Hotel, Birthday & Theatre have all come out in 2015 (later their pace will slow down). This could be the main reason to reuse an asset...
BUT!!!
I don't really know for how long RL team was working on these games before 2015 + they can be known for their attantion to details (if you have examples of this kind of attention, plz add them).
Mr Crow & grandpa share not only the face but also the eyes (brown on black) as well as younger Aldous from Roots...
BUT!!!
Aldous in The Cave has blue on white eyes. That could mean something or just be an example of RL team's inconsistency (e.g. not so much attention to details).
If grandpa is Crow, his wounds would not be lethal. He would stay alife & Dale would not be an orphan...
BUT!!!
If Dale was the chosen one long before he was born Crow could fake his own death to make Dale become who he was ment to be, even though this plan might be too difficult to work.
Even though Crow & grandpa share the face, they have also some small differences: grandpa has a brighter skin tone & a bit more hair than Aldous has in any other game (even in a younger form), plus he wears glasses...
BUT!!!
All of that could be to mask himself because of BUT #3.

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Grandpa somehow possessed the very same pistol from Hotel. That pistol was Rabbit's original goal in Birthday. It would be way easier for grandpa to get it if he were Mr. Crow...
BUT!!!
He could also obtain the pistol in some different way, even though it's less probable. He could buy it somewhere or it could the real Crow & Owl to give him that because of, once-again, the long-working plan to prepare Dale.
The gintonic recipe could be a connection between grandpa & the bartender...
BUT!!!
As we can see on the poster, RL Theatre is not open yet it's just "coming soon" (& that message could be just a teaser of the new game back in 2015). Plus the recipe was not there originally.
If Crow lives after a headshot the scar could have been left. In Case 23 we see a cube picture on Crow's forhead. It could be that scar...
BUT!!!
Do the azura even have scars? Plus, the cube is more likely to be a tatoo connected to the lake cult.
Dale does not recognise Aldous as his grandpa & refers to him as an old crow...
BUT!!!
He could supress his traumatic memories & just not remember his own grandpa. Or we could have a retcon here.
The reused & slightly changed asset could really mean a different person...
BUT!!!
I remember myself not believing that Mr. Rabbits from Hotel & Birthday were the all same untill Paradox. It also looked for me just like an asset reuse, but here we go.

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damn... I'm posting that on Reddit

covert wyvern Oct 29, 2020, 8:34 AM

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Get that karma.

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LMAO

vague imp Oct 29, 2020, 8:51 AM

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I dont think grandpa is mr crow or aldous

azure bay Oct 29, 2020, 8:51 AM

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Aldous=Mr. Crow

vague imp Oct 29, 2020, 8:51 AM

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Yeah I know forgot to use the "/"

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But yeah I don't think grandpa is aldous

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I think grandpa is just a normal bartender for RL theatre which could explain why he had the gin & tonic recipe

azure bay Oct 29, 2020, 8:53 AM

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me neiser, but honestly, we don't have anything better than opinions or couterable evidences

vague imp Oct 29, 2020, 8:54 AM

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We have very low info bout this

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There is no evidence that links grandpa with aldous. The gun is probably just reused. I mean they reuse the match box all the time

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They reuse a lot of objects to keep everything simple and to the point

azure bay Oct 29, 2020, 8:54 AM

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There is no evidence that links grandpa with aldous. The gun is probably just reused. I mean they reuse the match box all the time
@vague imp there are, but we don't have STRONG evidence

vague imp Oct 29, 2020, 8:55 AM

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Yup

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Exactly

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The only games I haven't played is paradox chapter 2 and the white door

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So I need to play those, maybe I missed some information there if there is any

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But hopefully they will make more games that show connections between characters

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For sure they will

azure bay Oct 29, 2020, 8:56 AM

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concerning birthday, ch2 confirms Mr. Rabbit being all the same

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nothing new on grandpa+Aldous in TWD even though there is a theatre scene

vague imp Oct 29, 2020, 8:58 AM

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I'm still gonna play it though. I hope its good :)

azure bay Oct 29, 2020, 8:59 AM

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TWD is good as a story

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some did not like the gameplay

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personally, i'm ok with this game

covert wyvern Oct 29, 2020, 9:04 AM

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the gameplay was nice.

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Smh.

azure bay Oct 29, 2020, 9:04 AM

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as I can see, not everyone liked it

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but they are few in numbers

vague imp Oct 29, 2020, 9:04 AM

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I very liked TWD

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One of my favorite games

covert wyvern Oct 29, 2020, 9:06 AM

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This isnt really about theories anymore but I'd like to mention that like, RL is a point and click game, TWD was that too but it played way smoother thanmost CE games imo lmao

vague imp Oct 29, 2020, 9:14 AM

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I very liked that 2 screen gameplay in TWD

hollow comet Oct 29, 2020, 9:17 AM

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best ambience out of all games

vague imp Oct 29, 2020, 9:17 AM

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True

azure bay Oct 29, 2020, 9:17 AM

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what do you refer to?

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the music only?

hollow comet Oct 29, 2020, 9:20 AM

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ambience is shaped by many factors, including but not limited to the music, the split-screen, minimalistic design (especially in the clock) and sound effects.

azure bay Oct 29, 2020, 9:20 AM

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ok

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cause the best music for me in in SR

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the remade one

vague imp Oct 29, 2020, 10:34 AM

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Now I really wanna play TWD 😍😍

astral frost Oct 29, 2020, 4:26 PM

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The question if Mr. Crow is grandpa Vandermeer is not that simple. Despite me not supporting this connection I admit that I can see a way around it. Yeah, they both have similar facial features. This is a fundamental point. There are 2 ways to percieve it: either they are indeed the same person or it's just a reused sprite.

Let me review all pros & cons from every side:

RL have released whole 9 games during 1 year: Seasons, The Lake, Arles, Harvey's Box, Case 23, The Mill, Hotel, Birthday & Theatre have all come out in 2015 (later their pace will slow down). This could be the main reason to reuse an asset...
BUT!!!
I don't really know for how long RL team was working on these games before 2015 + they can be known for their attantion to details (if you have examples of this kind of attention, plz add them).

Mr Crow & grandpa share not only the face but also the eyes (brown on black) as well as younger Aldous from Roots...
BUT!!!
Aldous in The Cave has blue on white eyes. That could mean something or just be an example of RL team's inconsistency (e.g. not so much attention to details).

If grandpa is Crow, his wounds would not be lethal. He would stay alife & Dale would not be an orphan...
BUT!!!
If Dale was the chosen one long before he was born Crow could fake his own death to make Dale become who he was ment to be, even though this plan might be too difficult to work.

Even though Crow & grandpa share the face, they have also some small differences: grandpa has a brighter skin tone & a bit more hair than Aldous has in any other game (even in a younger form), plus he wears glasses...
BUT!!!
All of that could be to mask himself because of BUT #3.
@azure bay A little point I want to add to this list. Birthday is one of Dale's memories, extracted and floating around the Lake. We have enough evidences to say the Lake/ Mr Owl crew can modify those memories (for example Seasons, Theatre).

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So: probably Dale's parents were really killed, but Mr Crow could not be his grandpa

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What we see in the memories doesn't totally match with the reality

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I also agree about the inconsistence of the devs: there are points on many games which prove they weren't so careful about links between games

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They also contradictes themselves in the same game (Roots)

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Some dates didn't match(they fixed them with an update), but in the "Graves" level (where you take bones from the graveyards of the Vanderbooms), their deaths' dates don't match with the corresponding levels' ones

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So, my advice about theorising is: don't focus too much on some details which could mislead you

azure bay Oct 29, 2020, 4:39 PM

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@astral frost the very thing that's changed in birthday is presence of Mr. Owl's present

astral frost Oct 29, 2020, 4:40 PM

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And, the possibility to change the past

astral frost Oct 29, 2020, 7:41 PM

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New evidences to convince @azure bay that Robert Hill was arrested by Dale because of Laura's death 🙂

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In TWD and Paradox we see a book called "Robert Hill: false accusation"

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So Bob was really suspected of Laura's murder

azure bay Oct 29, 2020, 7:43 PM

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Answer 1 question. What makes you think that Dale was one to accuse? Cause it's the only point I disagree on Bob's relations with a law.

astral frost Oct 29, 2020, 7:43 PM

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He's a detective

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And Bob is clearly imprisoned

azure bay Oct 29, 2020, 7:44 PM

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The only detective in the PD?

astral frost Oct 29, 2020, 7:44 PM

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The only detective in the PD?
@azure bay Nope

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But Dale was working on that case

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No mention to other police men

azure bay Oct 29, 2020, 7:45 PM

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There could probably be someone else to work in that

hollow comet Oct 29, 2020, 7:46 PM

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he was literally in the Theatre with Bob

azure bay Oct 29, 2020, 7:46 PM

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We do see Theatre only in someone's memories

hollow comet Oct 29, 2020, 7:46 PM

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yeah, twice, in two different people's memories

azure bay Oct 29, 2020, 7:47 PM

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Dale's memories are altered. Bob may or may not remember Dale there

astral frost Oct 29, 2020, 7:47 PM

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But they both remember the same scene, even if in an altered way

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this is enough to consider them real I think

azure bay Oct 29, 2020, 7:48 PM

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Let me collect my thoughts

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Dale did not show any interest to clues concerning Bob during Case 23 . He was literally talking & probably thinking only about the lake.
Bob could be arrested for interrogation either by the normal procedures or another detective who was working with that version or even by Mr. Owl's will to give Dale a challenge that would bring him to them.

Theatre itself is too surreal for us to be sure on it from Dale's perspective.
In TWD game the event seems to be hyped enough to attract Dale & Bob separately.
& remember that Bob is also under Owl's control. TWD could also alter the memories to make Dale appear/disappear/appear in a different way. Or the different versions of that dream could belong to different timelines. We can't really know what's real there.

astral frost Oct 29, 2020, 8:03 PM

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I disagree

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"Case 23" itself is a title which refers to Dale's investigation

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I'm not saying Dale wasn't interested in searching infos about RL

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I only think he started to study Laura's death case, and then he gradually became interested in the Lake

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I think Bob was in the PD because he was suspected

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Only for this reason

hollow comet Oct 29, 2020, 8:05 PM

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We can't really know what's real there.
You can literally apply that idea to anything, not just Rusty Lake.
If theories are to go anywhere, we have to establish first principles

astral frost Oct 29, 2020, 8:06 PM

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Mr Owl was intersted in Bob for his memories about Laura(it is confirmed in TWD)

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So I disagree with the "challenge for Dale" theory

azure bay Oct 29, 2020, 8:10 PM

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Ch1 ended with Dale finding all the info to start searching the lake: the contest, the weird phone call, the archive. In ch2 opening he said that could not think about anything else byt the lake. In Dale's mind in Paradox is Bob's book that could mean that Dale understands Bob's innocence on sub-concsious level.

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You can literally apply that idea to anything, not just Rusty Lake.
If theories are to go anywhere, we have to establish first principles
@hollow comet the case with Theatre is probably the vaguest. There is no reason to completely believe it.

astral frost Oct 29, 2020, 8:11 PM

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So how would you justify Bob's memories about Dale?

azure bay Oct 29, 2020, 8:11 PM

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Which ones?

astral frost Oct 29, 2020, 8:11 PM

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In those memories Dale is clearly following Bob all around

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I don't remember the names

azure bay Oct 29, 2020, 8:11 PM

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Ok

astral frost Oct 29, 2020, 8:12 PM

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The Lost Soul I think

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The police car was following him

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And Dale and the policeman were in the club too

azure bay Oct 29, 2020, 8:15 PM

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The Lady: a friendly random guy who asks for the light, but seems to be aware of Bob's loss
Lost Soul: policeman may or may not follow Bob in the car, but Dale-the-deer is always there & seems to belong the place. (I believe that it's Dale's future god form)
PD: a random guy he does not recognise watches him though the window. After Bob's corruption he directly asks his memories

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Like he knows that he directly needs them

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Mr Owl was intersted in Bob for his memories about Laura(it is confirmed in TWD)
@astral frost I don't understand what should it counter

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I've updated 1st scene

astral frost Oct 29, 2020, 8:23 PM

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@astral frost I don't understand what should it counter
@azure bay I mean, Bob's role in Mr Owl's plan is using(maybe extracting) his memories about Laura

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There's no mention about challenges for Dale

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And we would have had them

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Mr Owl talked with Mr Crow about Dale

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But without talking about any challenge

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I think you're complicating the thing man

azure bay Oct 29, 2020, 8:24 PM

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"If Dale finds cubes" is in fact a challenge. It just may or may not be organised by Owl

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Otherwise it would be "when he finds cubes"

astral frost Oct 29, 2020, 8:28 PM

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Mh

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ahahahah

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I don't know

azure bay Oct 29, 2020, 8:30 PM

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@azure bay I mean, Bob's role in Mr Owl's plan is using(maybe extracting) his memories about Laura
@astral frost Bob was involved since Sarah's arrival to his appartment. It was a matter of time how soon he'd get to the institute so I don't really see a problem with using him for other schemes if there is no risk to really lose him

astral frost Oct 29, 2020, 8:33 PM

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Maybe

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that's more convincing

ivory girder Oct 30, 2020, 5:36 AM

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The question if Mr. Crow is grandpa Vandermeer is not that simple. Despite me not supporting this connection I admit that I can see a way around it. Yeah, they both have similar facial features. This is a fundamental point. There are 2 ways to percieve it: either they are indeed the same person or it's just a reused sprite.

Let me review all pros & cons from every side:

RL have released whole 9 games during 1 year: Seasons, The Lake, Arles, Harvey's Box, Case 23, The Mill, Hotel, Birthday & Theatre have all come out in 2015 (later their pace will slow down). This could be the main reason to reuse an asset...
BUT!!!
I don't really know for how long RL team was working on these games before 2015 + they can be known for their attantion to details (if you have examples of this kind of attention, plz add them).

Mr Crow & grandpa share not only the face but also the eyes (brown on black) as well as younger Aldous from Roots...
BUT!!!
Aldous in The Cave has blue on white eyes. That could mean something or just be an example of RL team's inconsistency (e.g. not so much attention to details).

If grandpa is Crow, his wounds would not be lethal. He would stay alife & Dale would not be an orphan...
BUT!!!
If Dale was the chosen one long before he was born Crow could fake his own death to make Dale become who he was ment to be, even though this plan might be too difficult to work.

Even though Crow & grandpa share the face, they have also some small differences: grandpa has a brighter skin tone & a bit more hair than Aldous has in any other game (even in a younger form), plus he wears glasses...
BUT!!!
All of that could be to mask himself because of BUT #3.
@azure bay i think this is the reason why when grandpa died, he was still rocking the chair lol

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and another thing in the mind of the past in paradox we didn't see grandpa probably because he is mr. crow and in the present mind :)

azure bay Oct 30, 2020, 5:41 AM

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@ivory girder you can read my thoughts on this one on reddit

spice rampart Oct 30, 2020, 2:03 PM

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Which ending in Paradox is likely canon? The one where Dale sacrifices to the lake or the secret ending where he gets a golden cube and takes the elevator?

covert wyvern Oct 30, 2020, 2:04 PM

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Likely all of them? lmao.

spice rampart Oct 30, 2020, 2:06 PM

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I mean most of things are happening over and over again but like I think maybe the secret ending can be continued to other game...

covert wyvern Oct 30, 2020, 2:06 PM

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I think for all we know Dales story is over.

vague imp Oct 30, 2020, 2:06 PM

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@spice rampart What 🌝??????

covert wyvern Oct 30, 2020, 2:07 PM

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he either dies or becomes enlightened.

vague imp Oct 30, 2020, 2:07 PM

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Secret ending?

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Why do I never come across these secret endings 😳😶

spice frigate Oct 30, 2020, 2:07 PM

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I think it's up to fan's interpretation to which ending is more canon

spice rampart Oct 30, 2020, 2:07 PM

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The one where Mr Crow give him the cube in the Cave game

vague imp Oct 30, 2020, 2:08 PM

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I feel like I'm an idiot playing these games. I never know about the secret things 😑😑😑😑

spice rampart Oct 30, 2020, 2:08 PM

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I mean like maybe the sacrifice is also happening in his brain

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Maybe

covert wyvern Oct 30, 2020, 2:09 PM

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that totally depends

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I think all endings to paradox are different timelines

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but that's me.

spice rampart Oct 30, 2020, 2:09 PM

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Or we lost Dale forever. The Lake consumed him and Laura survives with good memories

covert wyvern Oct 30, 2020, 2:09 PM

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The ending to cave just happens to align with the one where dale enlightens

vague imp Oct 30, 2020, 2:10 PM

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F in chat for Dale in this case

spice rampart Oct 30, 2020, 2:10 PM

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Then we would never get to know about the golden cube if he is dead or he would become a hybrid animal like Mr Owl

hollow comet Oct 30, 2020, 2:12 PM

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does it even matter? All of Paradox happened in his mind, and he got the golden cube anyway

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I'm more interested in how long he was stuck inside the loop

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pretty much like Groundhog Day

spice rampart Oct 30, 2020, 2:12 PM

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Maybe for 50 years😂

covert wyvern Oct 30, 2020, 2:13 PM

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from case 23 - cave

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likely.

hollow comet Oct 30, 2020, 2:14 PM

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right, so how many repititions exactly

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"Have I been here before?"

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eyesPanic

covert wyvern Oct 30, 2020, 2:15 PM

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O right ye that's a different ball game

spice rampart Oct 30, 2020, 2:18 PM

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And about Mr Owl wasn't he supposed to be immortal then how he is like on the verge of dying.

covert wyvern Oct 30, 2020, 2:18 PM

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The elixir probably wasn't perfect.

hollow comet Oct 30, 2020, 2:18 PM

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he isn't immortal

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none of the hybrids are

spice rampart Oct 30, 2020, 2:19 PM

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Oh

hollow comet Oct 30, 2020, 2:19 PM

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the elixir gives longevity, not immortality

spice rampart Oct 30, 2020, 2:19 PM

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Well then Mr Crow is also gonna die after some decades I guess

covert wyvern Oct 30, 2020, 2:19 PM

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yes, eventually.

hollow comet Oct 30, 2020, 2:19 PM

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he did need the elixir in Cave

covert wyvern Oct 30, 2020, 2:19 PM

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or not,

vague imp Oct 30, 2020, 2:19 PM

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likely unless he keeps drinking the potion lol?

covert wyvern Oct 30, 2020, 2:19 PM

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who knows!

hollow comet Oct 30, 2020, 2:19 PM

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and he has also significantly aged in his human form

vague imp Oct 30, 2020, 2:20 PM

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but then again the dog's still alive, it didn't get the potion for years, centuries even

spice rampart Oct 30, 2020, 2:20 PM

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And what about the dog of James?

vague imp Oct 30, 2020, 2:20 PM

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and it's still in it's poop

covert wyvern Oct 30, 2020, 2:20 PM

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maybe the dog is immortal bc he's completely an animal

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

vague imp Oct 30, 2020, 2:20 PM

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maybe

hollow comet Oct 30, 2020, 2:20 PM

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ig it depends on how much 'hybrid powers' someone uses?

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Presumably, Harvey was originally a parrot

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parrots are way more intelligent than dogs so I like to think James's dog can't use his abilities in the same way Harvey can

spice rampart Oct 30, 2020, 2:23 PM

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I mean is Harvey still alive now?

hollow comet Oct 30, 2020, 2:23 PM

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I would hope so

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but with multiple timelines it gets confusing

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Paradox, though it technically shows the latest events in the timeline, isn't much credible

spice rampart Oct 30, 2020, 2:27 PM

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I mean I didn't even understand which ending was true because literally every ending is happening over and over again😂

hollow comet Oct 30, 2020, 2:27 PM

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lmao

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if Laura killed Harvey in Fall 1971, then how does she show up in the Mill next year

spice rampart Oct 30, 2020, 2:29 PM

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It was her body.

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As much as I remember

hollow comet Oct 30, 2020, 2:30 PM

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I'm talking about Harvey

spice rampart Oct 30, 2020, 2:30 PM

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Oh you are talking about Harvey

hollow comet Oct 30, 2020, 2:30 PM

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bird shit on the window

spice rampart Oct 30, 2020, 2:30 PM

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Maybe she escaped

hollow comet Oct 30, 2020, 2:31 PM

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on one side the timeline is self consistent, Harvey still isn't dead after being killed; but on the other side, Laura reverses her corruption in Seasons but is still dead in the other games

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there's gotta be multiple timelines

spice rampart Oct 30, 2020, 2:33 PM

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I mean it is also theorised that the one who called her in the seasons telling her that a CS is gonna kill her is Laura's future self

hollow comet Oct 30, 2020, 2:33 PM

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I thought that was Mr Crow?

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He'd been calling Laura because he knew she was ||William|| and that's why she ||killed herself||

spice rampart Oct 30, 2020, 2:34 PM

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I don't know. It's just a theory.

zenith meteor Oct 30, 2020, 2:40 PM

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Maybe Laura changing her past is the same way Dale changed his, only in memories but noy for real

spice rampart Oct 30, 2020, 2:40 PM

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He'd been calling Laura because he knew she was ||William|| and that's why she ||killed herself||
Wasn't she murdered that's why Dale came to investigate?

hollow comet Oct 30, 2020, 2:40 PM

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I don't think she was murdered

spice rampart Oct 30, 2020, 2:40 PM

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Maybe Laura changing her past is the same way Dale changed his, only in memories but noy for real
Yeah, maybe

hollow comet Oct 30, 2020, 2:41 PM

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It's known that she was mentally ill and on one post-it she wrote "I'm afraid I'll do something horrible"

spice rampart Oct 30, 2020, 2:41 PM

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I mean then why did even an investigation took place?🤔

hollow comet Oct 30, 2020, 2:43 PM

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she died and the body disappeared right in front of the detective

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I think an investigation was natural

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TopKek

spice rampart Oct 30, 2020, 2:45 PM

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And they blamed Robert for making the body disappear.

hollow comet Oct 30, 2020, 2:45 PM

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it seems the accusation was for murder

spice rampart Oct 30, 2020, 2:46 PM

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Or maybe her Corrupted Soul kill her.~~Most likely that happened~~

hollow comet Oct 30, 2020, 2:46 PM

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very plausible

hollow raptor Oct 30, 2020, 2:46 PM

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it's shown in the cave that laura commited suicide

hollow comet Oct 30, 2020, 2:47 PM

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oh right!

spice rampart Oct 30, 2020, 2:48 PM

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Oh yes I forgot.

zenith meteor Oct 30, 2020, 5:04 PM

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Hey, if you consider the family tree, Laura is not only Rose's daughter, but also Frank's and Leonard's....

polar warren Oct 30, 2020, 5:05 PM

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and everybody elses

zenith meteor Oct 30, 2020, 5:06 PM

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and everybody elses
@polar warren Yeah, but if you look at the family tree, she is connected directly only to the three of them.

polar warren Oct 30, 2020, 5:06 PM

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yea ig

zenith meteor Oct 30, 2020, 5:06 PM

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And they were also the ones that were "sacrificed" still alive

astral frost Oct 30, 2020, 5:06 PM

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Maybe Laura changing her past is the same way Dale changed his, only in memories but noy for real
@zenith meteor definitely

polar warren Oct 30, 2020, 5:07 PM

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and wrapped in the roots

spice frigate Oct 30, 2020, 5:07 PM

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but there's black line that only connects to Rose, and not Leo and Frank

zenith meteor Oct 30, 2020, 5:07 PM

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Everyone else gave dead parts, but those three gave sacrifices while still alive

spice frigate Oct 30, 2020, 5:07 PM

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the tree might look like that, to sorta present that she is not only last one, but also made from "entire" family in a sense?

hollow comet Oct 30, 2020, 5:08 PM

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I think Frank and Leonard were just catalysts, since the broader objective was to "bring the branches together".

spice frigate Oct 30, 2020, 5:09 PM

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^^^

astral frost Oct 30, 2020, 5:09 PM

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Do you think Frank and Leo died there?

polar warren Oct 30, 2020, 5:09 PM

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then there's also the time pieces

hollow comet Oct 30, 2020, 5:09 PM

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no, I don't think they died

spice frigate Oct 30, 2020, 5:10 PM

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that's a quite interesting question

hollow comet Oct 30, 2020, 5:10 PM

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but there's not even a tint of evidence as to what happened to them

spice frigate Oct 30, 2020, 5:10 PM

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because some people say that they died
and some say, they didn't

astral frost Oct 30, 2020, 5:11 PM

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If the next game will really be about Laura's childhood, I hope we'll discover it

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Cause they were like "uncles" for Laura

hollow comet Oct 30, 2020, 5:12 PM

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interestingly, when Rose appears in the secret ending of Samsara Room, she's still wearing her golden timepiece

zenith meteor Oct 30, 2020, 5:12 PM

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then there's also the time pieces
@polar warren yeah, that confuses me. I mean, Rose dug up hers (probably from William's grave) but how didi Emma got one? Maybe Mr. Crow put it there and pretended that it was Emma?

hollow comet Oct 30, 2020, 5:13 PM

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maybe all three timepieces and their wearers are essential still?

zenith meteor Oct 30, 2020, 5:15 PM

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Hey, I know it sounds crazy but, what if Laura grew really fast? Rose looks the same as when Laura was a baby

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Totally unrelated: I was thinking about the "Everything you touch, you change". Does anyone has a theory aboute Bob and Dale becoming corrupted because they were "touched" by Laura?

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Because the phrase gives the impression that is not only aboute seasons

hollow comet Oct 30, 2020, 5:19 PM

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I mean, like Damy said, it looks like the point of Arles was to show that anyone can become corrupted. If corruption really spreads through contact, then that just defeats the purpose of the Van Gogh arc.

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Cool theory though

astral frost Oct 30, 2020, 5:20 PM

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Cryptical sentence that one ahahah. Right know I can assume it refers to the fact that you can face your demons by reliving your memories, in order to escape from CS stage

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Totally unrelated: I was thinking about the "Everything you touch, you change". Does anyone has a theory aboute Bob and Dale becoming corrupted because they were "touched" by Laura?
@zenith meteor I was talking about this

hollow comet Oct 30, 2020, 5:20 PM

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I think what "all that you touch you change" refers to the self-consistency principle not holding in the RL universe. If you go back in time and you mess with things, you also change your future, like Laura did.

astral frost Oct 30, 2020, 5:21 PM

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But everything could be

zenith meteor Oct 30, 2020, 5:22 PM

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I mean, like Damy said, it looks like the point of Arles was to show that anyone can become corrupted. If corruption really spreads through contact, then that just defeats the purpose of the Van Gogh arc.
@hollow comet I didnt mean only by contact. But because they got involved in her story in some way. Her existence affected thei lives. Maybe the Lake does the same, and Van Gogh got "touched" by the Lake instead of Laura

hollow comet Oct 30, 2020, 5:22 PM

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interesting

zenith meteor Oct 30, 2020, 5:22 PM

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I mean, Laura was "born" IN the Lake

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Maybe she got "tainted"

hollow comet Oct 30, 2020, 5:23 PM

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Reposting what I said in #🩸｜general-chat

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it remains an unexplained arc. There wasn't even a connection except a corrupted soul, until now, when the achievements were added. Entering Van Gogh's birth year in the door makes the Hotel appear in the window, indicating a more significant connection. I won't go further into theorizing here (wrong channel) but this can be a good topic of discussion.

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Van Gogh does appear to have deeper connections with Lake

alpine atlas Oct 30, 2020, 5:24 PM

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i dont know a lot of lore but isnt corruption caused by an imbalance in your brain?

zenith meteor Oct 30, 2020, 5:24 PM

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Van Gogh does appear to have deeper connections with Lake
@hollow comet well, they did use his paintings for puzzles

hollow comet Oct 30, 2020, 5:24 PM

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Mr Owl said it happens when you extract the bad memories

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that also happened with Bob

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well, they did use his paintings for puzzles
@zenith meteor haha, I meant more of an in-universe connection

alpine atlas Oct 30, 2020, 5:25 PM

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yeah if you take out your bad memories theres an imbalance

zenith meteor Oct 30, 2020, 5:25 PM

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well, they did use his paintings for puzzles
I remember one in Case 23, in the chapel

hollow comet Oct 30, 2020, 5:25 PM

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like, first you take the good memories out, that doesn't have an effect. But they turn corrupted if you also remove the bad memories

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there's two instances of this

zenith meteor Oct 30, 2020, 5:26 PM

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Like messing with bad memories corrupts the body

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Its what Owl says

alpine atlas Oct 30, 2020, 5:26 PM

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or having too many?

zenith meteor Oct 30, 2020, 5:27 PM

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Gotta drive my sister to the doctos, bbl

hollow comet Oct 30, 2020, 5:27 PM

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hope all goes well

zenith meteor Oct 30, 2020, 5:27 PM

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Yeah, it just phisiotherapy

astral frost Oct 30, 2020, 5:28 PM

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"Balance the substance of your past lives"(from Theatre)
"This substance of one of my past lives etc."(said by Mr Rabbit in Birthday)
"Face your demons"(from Cave)

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"Balance the substance of your past lives"(from Theatre)
"This substance of one of my past lives etc."(said by Mr Rabbit in Birthday)
"Face your demons"(from Cave)
@astral frost this is probably related to the same point

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Which is

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Deal with your past and try to fix it, where it's necessary

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Deal with your past and try to fix it, where it's necessary
@astral frost Just remembered Mr Owl said it to Dale lol

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We've seen many CS faced their memories(aka, their past) in order to find a new balancing

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That's my interpretation of CS stage

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And I think it's almost correct

alpine atlas Oct 30, 2020, 5:32 PM

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whats CS?

astral frost Oct 30, 2020, 5:32 PM

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Corrupted Soul

alpine atlas Oct 30, 2020, 5:32 PM

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thank you :)

astral frost Oct 30, 2020, 5:33 PM

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😄

alpine atlas Oct 30, 2020, 5:33 PM

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that makes sense, like with seasons

astral frost Oct 30, 2020, 5:36 PM

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That's what happens also to Dale, Bob, Van Gogh, William

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And what probably David Eilander/Mr Rabbit tried to do

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Without success

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Maybe Mr Rabbit is the first one we've never seen in the Naraka stage

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When he was defeated he became a tree

alpine atlas Oct 30, 2020, 5:42 PM

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like the fish (r.i.p.)

astral frost Oct 30, 2020, 5:45 PM

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Ahahahahaa

rough trout Oct 30, 2020, 6:21 PM

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Is there a place of the collected lore to read up on?

hollow comet Oct 30, 2020, 6:24 PM

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most events that happen in the games are well recorded in the wikia

undone sun Oct 30, 2020, 6:37 PM

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Some of the fact are wrong tho, or filled with facts that may not be cannon so be carefull

covert wyvern Oct 30, 2020, 6:46 PM

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Don't read too much into ther wiki.

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make your own guesses

astral frost Oct 30, 2020, 7:28 PM

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Wiki is wrong and inaccurate in many points

hollow comet Oct 30, 2020, 7:30 PM

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I'm yet to come across major flaws, tbh

astral frost Oct 30, 2020, 7:36 PM

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Actually Rusty Lake wiki simply contains walktroughs of the games and descriptions of their scenes in a way every player can see by playing them. There aren't many interesting theories/ threads over there, the few ones aren't well argued. So I think playing games and discussing with other people is more useful right now.

hollow comet Oct 30, 2020, 7:42 PM

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most events that happen in the games are well recorded in the wikia
that is why I said that; theorising can only happen in discussion.

hollow raptor Oct 30, 2020, 9:41 PM

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maybe rose bought a whole kilometer of the cube fabric and now she had to use it all up

covert wyvern Oct 30, 2020, 9:41 PM

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Yes^

hollow raptor Oct 30, 2020, 9:41 PM

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hence a ton of cube dresses in all sizes and cube curtains

covert wyvern Oct 30, 2020, 9:41 PM

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Has anyone ever tracked when the first cube like pattern was introduced to like the market lmao

spice frigate Oct 30, 2020, 9:42 PM

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Shoot, then I guess I gotta make tons of dresses for my future child

covert wyvern Oct 30, 2020, 9:42 PM

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It is now your duty.

spice frigate Oct 30, 2020, 9:42 PM

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as someone who owns the original dress from paradox movie...
... sadly yeah 😔

vague imp Oct 30, 2020, 9:44 PM

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I have a cube like shirt similar to Laura's dress pattern. Weird. Didn't think of it till now

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I'm convinced it's the only clothing she owns

spice frigate Oct 30, 2020, 9:45 PM

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I'm convinced it's the only clothing she owns
not really

hollow comet Oct 30, 2020, 9:45 PM

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Has anyone ever tracked when the first cube like pattern was introduced to like the market lmao
Case 23 is the first time the cube pattern is clearly visible. The dress also shows up in Seasons but it's hard to make out if it's the same pattern.

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So ig it's OG

spice frigate Oct 30, 2020, 9:45 PM

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In The White Door she wears something different
I think it was blue button up collar shirt, with brown skirt?

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or was it beige?

hollow comet Oct 30, 2020, 9:45 PM

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one more question

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where is her lower lip

astral frost Oct 30, 2020, 9:46 PM

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Never existed

polar warren Oct 30, 2020, 9:46 PM

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People in that universe don't have a lower lip

spice frigate Oct 30, 2020, 9:56 PM

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Lower lip be like:

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undone sun Oct 30, 2020, 10:17 PM

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The first time the dress appears is en roots in one of the last chapters , Rose wears it and according to young laura´s photo it was wore by her early on

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In the order of release it appears in seasons

zenith meteor Oct 30, 2020, 10:24 PM

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*release :)

alpine atlas Oct 30, 2020, 10:37 PM

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doesnt she wear it in the white door

covert wyvern Oct 30, 2020, 10:37 PM

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She doesn't wear the dress in the breakup

alpine atlas Oct 30, 2020, 10:37 PM

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at the club when shes upside down

covert wyvern Oct 30, 2020, 10:37 PM

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Yes.

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But that would make sense, that's her corpse

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She died in thebdtess

alpine atlas Oct 30, 2020, 10:40 PM

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im not really sure what were talking about but thats the most recent time its shown up

covert wyvern Oct 30, 2020, 10:40 PM

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She died in the dress*

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Bobs last memory of laura, presumably, is what he saw on tv

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Laura, in her dress, in a pool of blood

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So it would make sense for her to show up like that in his memory

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Either way; laura does in fact have one more clothing option! That's what we were discussing right.

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O to answer your question: yes she wears it in twd

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But she also wears another outfit.

spice rampart Oct 31, 2020, 9:47 AM

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Is the dress pattern that important?

covert wyvern Oct 31, 2020, 9:56 AM

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We don't know! 😄

glossy isle Oct 31, 2020, 10:34 AM

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Colleagues! What do you think is connected with a certain magic, the power of the lake?

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As we know, the Eilander family was obsessed with the lake, celebrated "lake day" and made sacrifices to him. Where do they get such motivation?

covert wyvern Oct 31, 2020, 10:57 AM

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could be anything, the lake could have willed them into doing it, it could've been a family tradition for many many generations

glossy isle Oct 31, 2020, 10:58 AM

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The version with a family tradition is more believed

covert wyvern Oct 31, 2020, 10:58 AM

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but that doesn't mean it's right 😉

glossy isle Oct 31, 2020, 10:59 AM

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Why, in the end, the lake enlightened the character who is on my ava, and not the Eilander family.

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?

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but that doesn't mean it's right 😉
@covert wyvern But this chat was also created for crazy theories)

covert wyvern Oct 31, 2020, 11:00 AM

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Exactly.

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We don't know why mr owl

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maybe it was just luck, maybe it was coincidence maybe it was meant to be

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although you could argue the entire eilander family was enlightened when you compare it to hotel.

glossy isle Oct 31, 2020, 11:01 AM

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Not luck for sure. Caroline described her son as the chosen one in her books.

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although you could argue the entire eilander family was enlightened when you compare it to hotel.
@covert wyvern Based on this, we can assume that the lake reborn the Eilander family into anthropomorphic animals, preparing them to take into account the deaths at the hands of Harvey.

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We will most likely be told about the appearance and essence of the lake in "CE: 20 000 ago"

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How awkward it is to write theories when you're not a native English speaker😅

honest osprey Oct 31, 2020, 3:34 PM

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OK who is The Lady of The Lake?

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📎 Screenshot_20201031-085426.jpg

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OK so the hat is Mary Vandemeer

zenith meteor Oct 31, 2020, 3:38 PM

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that is the only place we see her. There is a painting of a Lady of the Lake in Case 23, but that Lady is Caroline Eilander

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But the hat is the one used by Miss Pheaseant to portray the Lady of the Lake in Hotel

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Her dress also looks like a black version of Miss Pheasant

honest osprey Oct 31, 2020, 3:40 PM

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Aha

zenith meteor Oct 31, 2020, 3:41 PM

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But i think Mary Vanderboom hat is green

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Let me check

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Yes, Mary's first hat is a similar color but not the design. The second hat has a bow but its different and the hat is green

honest osprey Oct 31, 2020, 3:44 PM

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OK So it's not Mary

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that is the only place we see her. There is a painting of a Lady of the Lake in Case 23, but that Lady is Caroline Eilander
@zenith meteor can you show it?

zenith meteor Oct 31, 2020, 3:47 PM

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The left one is the painting of the Lady of the Lake in Case 23, the right one is a portrait of Caroline in RL Paradise

📎 images_9.jpeg

honest osprey Oct 31, 2020, 3:48 PM

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Aha

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OK so she is the heart

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As in sacrifice

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Motherly love

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And other things

zenith meteor Oct 31, 2020, 3:50 PM

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Hum... Going by this logic what would the other things mean?

honest osprey Oct 31, 2020, 3:50 PM

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The hat is Mrs Pheasant

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The shell I don't know

zenith meteor Oct 31, 2020, 3:51 PM

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The hat is Mrs Pheasant
@honest osprey have in mind that there is strong evidence that Miss Pheasant is Caroline's daughter

honest osprey Oct 31, 2020, 3:52 PM

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Yes Ik

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Strange

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Why did the devs make this random character that makes the biggest headache I had about this series.

zenith meteor Oct 31, 2020, 3:54 PM

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Strange
@honest osprey its actually not. RL is purposefully confusing and mysterious

honest osprey Oct 31, 2020, 3:54 PM

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I understood most other things

zenith meteor Oct 31, 2020, 3:55 PM

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Why did the devs make this random character that makes the biggest headache I had about this series.
@honest osprey hahaha thats your personnal experience. For some people she is just there to make a puzzle

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But we can theorize to our hearts content

honest osprey Oct 31, 2020, 3:55 PM

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Nothing is just there in this franchise

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OK what if its Mary

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But they have different hats because game development

zenith meteor Oct 31, 2020, 3:59 PM

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Nothing is just there in this franchise
@honest osprey more or less. Keep in mind the way the games were made, sometimes a character is there just to make it interisting or eerie, and later they expand on it so not always their first appearance doesnt make much sense

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But they have different hats because game development
@honest osprey could be, but then is a theory without evidence

honest osprey Oct 31, 2020, 4:00 PM

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corruptedsoul

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OK the shell might be Laura

hollow comet Oct 31, 2020, 4:02 PM

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I don't think the lady in Theatre is Caroline to begin with

zenith meteor Oct 31, 2020, 4:03 PM

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If I remember right, Theater was released after Hotel, what makes that hat a clear reference to Miss Pheasant. And Roots came after Theater so they could have made the hat the same if they wanted to link them

hollow comet Oct 31, 2020, 4:03 PM

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her soul was fused with Jakob's

zenith meteor Oct 31, 2020, 4:03 PM

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I don't think the lady in Theatre is Caroline to begin with
@hollow comet i dont think it too

honest osprey Oct 31, 2020, 4:04 PM

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She gets it in Lake, has in Case 23,in Paradise makes the Libra Corrupted Soul shadow(balance) show up, the shell in Samsara Room changes the Soul

zenith meteor Oct 31, 2020, 4:06 PM

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I didnt understant, could you explain?

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her soul was fused with Jakob's
@hollow comet a still think she could be reincarnated as Rose, bu alas, I have no evidence besides their very similar faces

honest osprey Oct 31, 2020, 4:09 PM

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Laura gets the shell in Lake, has it in Case 23 in her fish bowl, in Paradise a shell powder makes a Libra shadow appear, which shows balance, and in SR is one of the items that changes William before he becomes Laura

zenith meteor Oct 31, 2020, 4:10 PM

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Laura gets the shell in Lake, has it in Case 23 in her fish bowl, in Paradise a shell powder makes a Libra shadow appear, which shows balance, and in SR is one of the items that changes William before he becomes Laura
@honest osprey shells and shrimps are RL mark, i dont think we ahould read too much in them

honest osprey Oct 31, 2020, 4:10 PM

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corruptedsoul

zenith meteor Oct 31, 2020, 4:10 PM

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Shells appear in every game, with other charcters too

honest osprey Oct 31, 2020, 4:10 PM

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Shrimps yes, but shells????????

zenith meteor Oct 31, 2020, 4:11 PM

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Yeah

hollow comet Oct 31, 2020, 4:11 PM

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@zenith meteor quite interesting. I think if that's true, Mr Crow and Mr Owl would've shown more interest in her rather than Laura, because presumably, making more elixir is the #1 priority

zenith meteor Oct 31, 2020, 4:12 PM

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Also, they were in the original SR, (thats is not RL universe) they kept all the elements of the original, changing just enough to connecr to RL

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For example in original SR, the body in the clock was a bald man, that looked nothing like William

honest osprey Oct 31, 2020, 4:13 PM

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OK

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Bye

zenith meteor Oct 31, 2020, 4:14 PM

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@zenith meteor quite interesting. I think if that's true, Mr Crow and Mr Owl would've shown more interest in her rather than Laura, because presumably, making more elixir is the #1 priority
@hollow comet if she reincarnated by the normal process of the Samsara wheel they might not know

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Bye
@honest osprey dont go, i like theorising xD

hollow comet Oct 31, 2020, 4:14 PM

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oh, they left

zenith meteor Oct 31, 2020, 4:15 PM

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I think the lady of the lake IS somehow important, but her being Laura or Mary... Doesnt look like it is

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Well, everyone has an unpopular theory they believe in, I just didnt want Poni to be sad/mad about it

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Agree to disagree and all that jazz

hollow comet Oct 31, 2020, 4:17 PM

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if she reincarnated by the normal process of the Samsara wheel they might not know
I think I agree. However William also went through the Samsara cycle and the only reason (presumably) Mr Crow knew Laura was William is because he basically oversaw his rebirth, albeit without getting actively involved. But is there a way they can keep track of every rebirth? I don't think so

zenith meteor Oct 31, 2020, 4:18 PM

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I think I agree. However William also went through the Samsara cycle and the only reason (presumably) Mr Crow knew Laura was William is because he basically oversaw his rebirth, albeit without getting actively involved. But is there a way they can keep track of every rebirth? I don't think so
@hollow comet especially if they dont know its happening 😆

hollow comet Oct 31, 2020, 4:18 PM

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true lol

astral frost Oct 31, 2020, 4:46 PM

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About the Lake's powers: I think making sacrifices was needed in order to stop natural "disasters". In fact Caroline was burned alive and this prevented her memories sinking in the Lake (as it would have happened with a cage sacrifice, like the Jakob's one). So, without memories, the Lake revolts and causes disorders, such as the Plagues. In favour of this theory, when Jakob bring a memory to the Lake, a Plague disappears.

solid haven Oct 31, 2020, 4:50 PM

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~~That's what I said.~~

astral frost Oct 31, 2020, 4:56 PM

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Didn't see it

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Srry

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Oh you were talking about some days ago

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Didn't remembere ahahah sorry

solid haven Oct 31, 2020, 10:11 PM

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Nah nah is fine.

rain quest Nov 1, 2020, 5:12 AM

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So I don't know if this belongs here, but I'd Harvey a girl or a boy or maybe both, but like we see them lay eggs in several games, I'm pretty sure male birds don't lay eggs. This could just be another weird thing, but does anyone have any thoughts

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*is

vague imp Nov 1, 2020, 5:25 AM

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Maybe Harvey can change genders as he/she wishes its a magic bird lmao

glossy isle Nov 1, 2020, 9:05 AM

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About the Lake's powers: I think making sacrifices was needed in order to stop natural "disasters". In fact Caroline was burned alive and this prevented her memories sinking in the Lake (as it would have happened with a cage sacrifice, like the Jakob's one). So, without memories, the Lake revolts and causes disorders, such as the Plagues. In favour of this theory, when Jakob bring a memory to the Lake, a Plague disappears.
@astral frost great theory

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Maybe Harvey can change genders as he/she wishes its a magic bird lmao
@vague imp It seems to me everything is the same as with Mr. Owl. Conventionally, he is a man and wears men's clothes, but in fact he is a mixture of Carolina Eilander and Jacob Eilander. That is, proceeding from the fact that he is enlightened, he has no gender at all, since he has become higher than the human division into gendars. It's the same with Harvey. He is enlightened and freed from such a natural "condition" as the genors. That would explain a lot.

vague imp Nov 1, 2020, 9:10 AM

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I wish i could do that lol..

covert wyvern Nov 1, 2020, 9:11 AM

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Clothing literally says nothing about someones gender uwu owo

glossy isle Nov 1, 2020, 9:11 AM

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😆

vague imp Nov 1, 2020, 9:11 AM

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no i mean..XD i wish i could shapeshift..

glossy isle Nov 1, 2020, 9:11 AM

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Clothing literally says nothing about someones gender uwu owo
@covert wyvern Now yes. But not in the 19th or 20th century.

covert wyvern Nov 1, 2020, 9:12 AM

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I suppose there's a point there grubthink

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ye someone did mention harvey may have switched genders when they became a parrot again

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could be something in there, who knows.

glossy isle Nov 1, 2020, 9:13 AM

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I suppose there's a point there :grubthink:
@covert wyvern I agree

vague imp Nov 1, 2020, 9:13 AM

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who knows but i see it as metaphor for you know

covert wyvern Nov 1, 2020, 9:13 AM

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I really like the idea of Harvey being more powerful than we currently know but there's no base for that lol

vague imp Nov 1, 2020, 9:13 AM

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||being trans|| maybe that's my personal view tho

covert wyvern Nov 1, 2020, 9:13 AM

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in this server we support trans parrots.

vague imp Nov 1, 2020, 9:13 AM

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haha that's good do hear

glossy isle Nov 1, 2020, 9:18 AM

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I really like the idea of Harvey being more powerful than we currently know but there's no base for that lol
@covert wyvern One is there. At first, it was believed that the most senior character is Jacob Eilander. But in pzhradays we can also see Harvey if we bring a flower to the lake in one of the executions. We can assume that Harvey is some kind of entity, created by the lake itself. He is the "eyes" and "hands" of the lake, because he can see what is happening on the lake or outside the lake (for example, in Laura's house), as well as do some important actions (for example, save Emma's note for Frank).

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Sorry for my English. I'm not a native speaker of this language)

covert wyvern Nov 1, 2020, 9:19 AM

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that's fair, it's coherent enough, and if anything this is practice right 😉

vague imp Nov 1, 2020, 9:20 AM

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your English seems fine to me ngl?

covert wyvern Nov 1, 2020, 9:20 AM

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I suppose you're right. I just really like birds so im very biased towards Harvey, hahaha.

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but ye! I do really like the idea that Harvey is just playing along with owls schemes for the lakes sake.

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In my opinion the lake is likely just playing a grand chess game and even owl is but a small pawn.

glossy isle Nov 1, 2020, 9:20 AM

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your English seems fine to me ngl?
@vague imp Translator to help. I know English and study it, but I don't speak it fluently.

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In my opinion the lake is likely just playing a grand chess game and even owl is but a small pawn.
@covert wyvern An owl is a queen in the hands of a chess master. The lake itself.

covert wyvern Nov 1, 2020, 9:22 AM

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ahaha mayhaps owl is the queen on the chessboard, I have to admit we don't really have any evidence, maybe the eilanders figured out the lake had magical properties and settled there to study them, maybe the lake willed the eilanders to its will

glossy isle Nov 1, 2020, 9:25 AM

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ahaha mayhaps owl is the queen on the chessboard, I have to admit we don't really have any evidence, maybe the eilanders figured out the lake had magical properties and settled there to study them, maybe the lake willed the eilanders to its will
@covert wyvern As someone wrote above, Eilander is covered by a lake. Apparently a long time ago the first of the Eilander arrived on the island and faced the fact that if the lake was not sacrificed, it would curse him. So the day of the lake and the cult of 6 animals began.

covert wyvern Nov 1, 2020, 9:25 AM

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ah, is there any in game reference to that?

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Like I couldve totally missed that.

glossy isle Nov 1, 2020, 9:26 AM

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I'm a huge fan of the lake. I love it for its amazing storyline. This can be understood by my ava and nickname. (Translated from Russian: Jacob Eilander)

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Okay my dear lovers of rust in water. It's time for me to go, after that we'll write off and build even more country and brain-bearing theories about a rusty lake.

astral frost Nov 1, 2020, 4:31 PM

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Has anyone watched Twin Peaks?

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I'm watching it and I'm finding some similarities with RL

vague imp Nov 1, 2020, 4:41 PM

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@astral frost I wanted to watch it too but I wasn't sure if it was good or not

polar warren Nov 1, 2020, 4:41 PM

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Well, the games were originally inspired by twin peaks

vague imp Nov 1, 2020, 4:42 PM

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The developers were inspired by twin peaks yeah

sudden kraken Nov 1, 2020, 8:47 PM

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How much have they deviated from the series?

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I haven't seen it

polar warren Nov 1, 2020, 8:48 PM

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I haven't see it either but I know they have a detective named Dale and a dead woman named Laura

sudden kraken Nov 1, 2020, 8:50 PM

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Laura Palmer I think? I know Bastille has a song by that name and apparently both Bastille and RL like the show

vague imp Nov 1, 2020, 9:14 PM

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I kinda know the plot of twin peaks but I dont want to spoil it for edd

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Its a bit hectic

alpine atlas Nov 1, 2020, 10:22 PM

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i watched some of twin peaks but i got bored, i heard it turns supernatural? weird

vague imp Nov 2, 2020, 7:10 AM

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Yeah I'm not willing to watch a TV series from the 90's :)

It becomes a bit dark. ||Has to do with drugs etc||

glossy isle Nov 2, 2020, 11:09 AM

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How much have they deviated from the series?
@sudden kraken At least the angry Albert was there. There was Detective Dale and the victim Laura.

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There was a certain emphasis on owls

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Well, and some spirit of mysticism and something incomprehensible.

covert wyvern Nov 2, 2020, 11:11 AM

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please avoid pinging people offline // not part of the conversation

glossy isle Nov 2, 2020, 11:11 AM

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Sorry😅

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Who do you think is the third founder of the Vanderboom clan? We know that William and Aldous had a brother, whose son, James, they forced to leave descendants and plant a seed.

hollow comet Nov 2, 2020, 11:16 AM

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I've always thought Mr Crow was James' father, though there's little evidence.

glossy isle Nov 2, 2020, 11:17 AM

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I agree, but I saw one theory

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There are three symbols in the game. Raven, Tree and Deer. In the files of the game you can find an unused model called "Oscar", translated from Kelian "Loving deer"

covert wyvern Nov 2, 2020, 11:22 AM

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someonesbeen digging through the game files?

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O my

glossy isle Nov 2, 2020, 11:22 AM

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If the raven and the tree represent Aldus and William, then the deer is possibly the third brother.

covert wyvern Nov 2, 2020, 11:23 AM

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Either way, unused is unused.

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Meaning it doesn't exist in universe

glossy isle Nov 2, 2020, 11:24 AM

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I do not argue. But I am only giving a theory. I am not suggesting that this can be true.

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You decide

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😉

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By the way, some say that Aldus is Dale's grandfather.

covert wyvern Nov 2, 2020, 11:26 AM

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Yes I've seen that Theory floating

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It's not one I can agree with.

glossy isle Nov 2, 2020, 11:27 AM

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As proof, they notice that he is the only one who remembers what happened before rewinding time. He looks a lot like Aldous from the mill in appearance and his voice is the same. But I think that this is not enough to make such hasty conclusions.

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By the way, although there is no evidence, I think Jacob knew the father of Aldous and William. In theory, they were modern.

covert wyvern Nov 2, 2020, 11:34 AM

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I know the proof, but ask yourself this;

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if dale was related to the vanderbooms, Roots would be a very different game 😉

azure bay Nov 2, 2020, 12:20 PM

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Grandpa could be not remembering what happened before time rollback but just the only one believing Dale

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The fact we don't hear protagonists' voice does not necessarily signify that he is silent

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TWD PD secret scene is a great example

glossy isle Nov 2, 2020, 12:45 PM

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Solidarity

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It's just that I myself don't know why, in the community of my country on a rusty lake, everyone is already openly declaring that the crow is Dale's grandfather, and it seems to me that this is not right.

astral frost Nov 2, 2020, 12:50 PM

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Many people of RL fandom often jump to conclusion

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Don't worry ahahah

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Btw I'm really convinced we've never obtain certain answer we're looking for, RL narration is obscure on purpose

glossy isle Nov 2, 2020, 12:52 PM

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This is for the best. We think it over ourselves.

astral frost Nov 2, 2020, 12:52 PM

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Anyhow I agree with you, the fact Dale's grandpa and Mr Crow shared the same aspect isn't enough

glossy isle Nov 2, 2020, 12:53 PM

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👍

astral frost Nov 2, 2020, 12:54 PM

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Btw TWD elaborated on Bob's story, who was an apparently flat character, an appearance

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So maybe we'll get more infos also about Dale life

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(or maybe not)

glossy isle Nov 2, 2020, 12:56 PM

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I am more interested in the lives of Aldous and William before enlightenment. After all, all we know before the enlightenment of Alduos is his birth date.

azure bay Nov 2, 2020, 1:06 PM

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It's just that I myself don't know why, in the community of my country on a rusty lake, everyone is already openly declaring that the crow is Dale's grandfather, and it seems to me that this is not right.
@glossy isle I'm also a part of that community but I read the opposite opinion

glossy isle Nov 2, 2020, 1:06 PM

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Hmmm

azure bay Nov 2, 2020, 1:07 PM

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At least in VK chat that was separated from the main one

glossy isle Nov 2, 2020, 1:07 PM

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I beg you) But for the future, you cannot ping those who are not online)

azure bay Nov 2, 2020, 1:07 PM

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Sry. A bad habit

glossy isle Nov 2, 2020, 1:08 PM

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No problems. It's just that modders can scold for this

azure bay Nov 2, 2020, 1:09 PM

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If it's not a problem particularly for you, you can mention that in your profile notes

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As I did

covert wyvern Nov 2, 2020, 1:09 PM

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(only you can see your notes)

azure bay Nov 2, 2020, 1:09 PM

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Damn

glossy isle Nov 2, 2020, 1:09 PM

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yes

azure bay Nov 2, 2020, 1:09 PM

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& how to mark then?

covert wyvern Nov 2, 2020, 1:11 PM

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you can add notes to other people

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like im allowed to ping this person

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stuff like that.

azure bay Nov 2, 2020, 1:12 PM

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We need a way to mark permission for others by default

covert wyvern Nov 2, 2020, 1:12 PM

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No, no we don't.

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because the default is "don't ping"

azure bay Nov 2, 2020, 1:13 PM

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That's not what I mean

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I'd like to express that I'm ok with everyone pinging me once & for all

covert wyvern Nov 2, 2020, 1:13 PM

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there's no way to do that, and that's okay.

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I simply don't scold people pinging you.

hollow comet Nov 2, 2020, 1:14 PM

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just add 'ping me whenever' to your nick

covert wyvern Nov 2, 2020, 1:14 PM

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that would also work, lmao.

azure bay Nov 2, 2020, 1:15 PM

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Nah, not sure if I want the same for other chats

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But

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Yeah, I think It's the only way

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@covert wyvern how many people who also doesn't mind being pinged do you know ?

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On this server

covert wyvern Nov 2, 2020, 1:18 PM

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A few? I dont see how that is relevant what so ever.

azure bay Nov 2, 2020, 1:19 PM

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Sometimes I just can't help myself continuing some older discussions

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It would be great for me to know who is ready to answer such a call

covert wyvern Nov 2, 2020, 1:20 PM

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make sure to keep notes, then.

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I think most of the regulars in theories don't mind a ping/

azure bay Nov 2, 2020, 1:24 PM

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I know the way

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We can add a custom status

vague imp Nov 2, 2020, 3:32 PM

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May I say something? More like ask something.

I'm not sure if this has been discussed but...

Is there any proof or reason why Dale was considered a "chosen one" in being Mr Owl's successor?

glossy isle Nov 2, 2020, 3:37 PM

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Yes. Mister Owl is counting on Dale to deal with the dark souls at the bottom of the lake. Moreover, Dale will take the elevator to the hotel, where he seems to have the most important dialogue in his life, a dialogue with Mr. Owl.

alpine atlas Nov 2, 2020, 3:49 PM

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i thought mr crow was james' uncle, because of the level in roots

hollow comet Nov 2, 2020, 3:52 PM

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May I say something? More like ask something.

I'm not sure if this has been discussed but...

Is there any proof or reason why Dale was considered a "chosen one" in being Mr Owl's successor?
Particularly Mr Owl's dialogues in Paradox Ch 2 ("The Lake needs a new ruler")

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and also in the snow globe in Birthday

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"only then can you become what you're meant to be"

azure bay Nov 2, 2020, 3:53 PM

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The prophecy in the Hotel ending also shows Dale reaching the hotel

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i thought mr crow was james' uncle, because of the level in roots
@alpine atlas I agree here. James has more reasons to arrive from far away & to have no questions about Aldous' disappearance if they are not that realated

alpine atlas Nov 2, 2020, 3:56 PM

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my reasoning was that the level is called "the uncle"

azure bay Nov 2, 2020, 3:57 PM

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which lever are you talking about?

alpine atlas Nov 2, 2020, 3:58 PM

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"the uncle"

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its right after james' level

azure bay Nov 2, 2020, 3:58 PM

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no it was about William

alpine atlas Nov 2, 2020, 3:58 PM

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really?

azure bay Nov 2, 2020, 3:58 PM

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Aldous is only on the picture

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& William's corpse is inside the clock

alpine atlas Nov 2, 2020, 3:59 PM

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i had assumed it was about aldous because the instructions given to james clearly couldnt be from william

azure bay Nov 2, 2020, 4:00 PM

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that's right but 'the uncle' level has nothing to do with the instructions to James

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these sacrifice formula are presumably written by the alchemists

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& the one who is profiting from them is William himself

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everyone else seems ignorant about all of these until William directly talks to Rose

alpine atlas Nov 2, 2020, 4:02 PM

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they could both be "the uncle" i guess

azure bay Nov 2, 2020, 4:03 PM

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honsense. It would be plural then

vague imp Nov 2, 2020, 4:10 PM

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Cool, ummm. So Mr Owl put Dale through trauma in order for his bad memories to be extracted and thus fed to the lake?

azure bay Nov 2, 2020, 4:11 PM

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I'm not sure whether Dale was formed by Owl from a scratch

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It seems more realistic to pick up a traumatised fela & to fix him

alpine atlas Nov 2, 2020, 4:12 PM

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what about what happened in birthday though

azure bay Nov 2, 2020, 4:12 PM

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what are you interested in?

alpine atlas Nov 2, 2020, 4:13 PM

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mr owl sent mr rabbit to kill his family

azure bay Nov 2, 2020, 4:13 PM

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I think no

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I think Rabbit has his own Dale-like journey

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to fix his past & become something bigger

alpine atlas Nov 2, 2020, 4:14 PM

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what connection does mr rabbit have to dale other than mr owl

azure bay Nov 2, 2020, 4:15 PM

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Rabbit is there for the pistol

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the one Pheasant has shot herself with

alpine atlas Nov 2, 2020, 4:16 PM

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tbh i havent played hotel in a while, you might be right idk

azure bay Nov 2, 2020, 4:16 PM

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the sprite is the same

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the letter lying near the empty chest tells "this substance of my past life"

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after the rollback the pistol is inside

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so it's highly probable to be taken by Rabbit

vague imp Nov 2, 2020, 5:03 PM

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@azure bay thanks for clearing it up

azure bay Nov 2, 2020, 5:04 PM

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you're welcome
but remember to question everything you see here. Including mine

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I encourage you to do a research of your own

astral frost Nov 2, 2020, 5:10 PM

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Yes. Mister Owl is counting on Dale to deal with the dark souls at the bottom of the lake. Moreover, Dale will take the elevator to the hotel, where he seems to have the most important dialogue in his life, a dialogue with Mr. Owl.
Notice that even Jakob made this journey a long time ago. In 10th plague, he descended into the Lake (we also see the Room under the Lake, which is the one in Cave) and went back to the surface: only then he became Mr Owl.

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And Dale has made the same journey

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Down and then up

glossy isle Nov 2, 2020, 5:16 PM

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Excellent observation. This room is also the basement of the hotel, so yes. Dale is likely to become the new "ruler of the lake"

vague imp Nov 2, 2020, 5:18 PM

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Wonder what animal Dale will be, hopefully a chicken 🐔

covert wyvern Nov 2, 2020, 5:18 PM

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Probably deer.

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as we can see in Paradox.

vague imp Nov 2, 2020, 5:19 PM

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I thought deer was already taken by the father eilander?

covert wyvern Nov 2, 2020, 5:19 PM

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Mhm, right, you'd say that.

vague imp Nov 2, 2020, 5:19 PM

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Why would they recycle animals? That's going to confuse a lot of people if they dont show the process right

azure bay Nov 2, 2020, 5:20 PM

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I thought deer was already taken by the father eilander?
@vague imp there is no reason for only 1 deer to exist

hollow comet Nov 2, 2020, 5:20 PM

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/tiryogni/ is one of the stages of the wheel so they all gonna turn into animals at some point

stuck lynx Nov 2, 2020, 5:20 PM

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as we can see in Paradox.
@covert wyvern right

covert wyvern Nov 2, 2020, 5:20 PM

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only if you amass enough bad karma right 😉

hollow comet Nov 2, 2020, 5:21 PM

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I don't think it's got to do with karma, tbh

azure bay Nov 2, 2020, 5:22 PM

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I don't think it's got to do with karma, tbh
@hollow comet not literally I think

hollow comet Nov 2, 2020, 5:22 PM

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I mean if it's really based on the concept of karma, then in that mythology, karma only decides how long someone spends in a stage, they go through all of them regardless

covert wyvern Nov 2, 2020, 5:22 PM

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wack.

hollow comet Nov 2, 2020, 5:23 PM

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haha fish goes bloop

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ReverseMermaid

azure bay Nov 2, 2020, 5:25 PM

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@hollow comet it seems that the elixir is somehow enough to boost your karma & a mistake while memory extraction to ruin it

vague imp Nov 2, 2020, 5:29 PM

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So bad memories feed the lake?

azure bay Nov 2, 2020, 5:29 PM

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all memories are needed

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not necesserally to feed

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the cubes can be taken back

vague imp Nov 2, 2020, 5:31 PM

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Taken back where? To the person that gave the memories?

azure bay Nov 2, 2020, 5:31 PM

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from the lake

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in The Mill Crow sends Laura's cubes

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in The Cave collects them

vague imp Nov 2, 2020, 5:33 PM

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Why am I not following these details properly 😭😭

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Am I seriously this retarded?

azure bay Nov 2, 2020, 5:34 PM

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you just need to replay everything & mark all these details

vague imp Nov 2, 2020, 5:35 PM

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I dont have the time rn :( or for the next year or so.
Also, these games give me some serious nightmares

azure bay Nov 2, 2020, 5:37 PM

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sympathize with you

vague imp Nov 2, 2020, 5:38 PM

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If anyone has the time to write these theories down (everything we discussed here) I'd hiiiighly appreciate it 🙌

azure bay Nov 2, 2020, 5:39 PM

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I'm afraid it's not possible. Chat is not a good place for publishing. Reddit is a bit better but still everything tends to be lost & forgotten

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I'm planning to make a virtual mind map

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but idk when exactly

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& not sure which service to choose

vague imp Nov 2, 2020, 5:43 PM

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If you do plan on making this mind map that can really break things down and add possible theories - will you let me know. It will help a lot to keep up

azure bay Nov 2, 2020, 5:43 PM

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we'll see

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maybe I won't have time neither

covert wyvern Nov 2, 2020, 6:09 PM

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@vague imp please avoid using retarded, thank you.

vague imp Nov 2, 2020, 6:09 PM

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Oh yes, I am so sorry

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It slipped my tongue

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Apologies everyone - I hope I didn't offend anybody

astral frost Nov 2, 2020, 10:21 PM

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I think karma is not involved right now. If so, characters should do something "good" to accumulate great karma and reborn. But, for example, Mr Rabbit tries to "balance the substance of one of his past lives" with homicides (that's definitely not a good action ahahaha).

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Btw, we know some processes in the transformations between the stages

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For example, we know how those work:
-Human->CS
-CS->Human
-Human->DemiGod
-Human->God
-DemiGod-CS

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We still don't know, for example, how the transformation DemiGod->Animal works (that's what happened to Harvey)

hollow comet Nov 2, 2020, 10:34 PM

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he summoned a beam of light

astral frost Nov 3, 2020, 1:17 AM

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he summoned a beam of light
Also Dale summoned a beam when he was teleported to the Chapel

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But this isn't enough to understand how it worked

glossy isle Nov 3, 2020, 2:33 AM

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This is the magic of the lake)

zenith meteor Nov 3, 2020, 3:39 AM

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Also Dale summoned a beam when he was teleported to the Chapel
He did use the cubes for that. Maybe thats why he could do it, even being human?

alpine atlas Nov 3, 2020, 4:10 AM

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i think dales animal could be a fish

azure bay Nov 3, 2020, 5:19 AM

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Dale is more likely to be a deer, as we can already see

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@astral frost (he is ok with me pinging him) 'Demi-god -> animal' was performed by Mr. Owl. Then in Paradox ch2 he also teases his own future form - a fish.
I assume, by default azura tend to be reborn as a lesser form. Maybe exclusively as an animal, maybe as a human as well. To be reborn as a CS they usually need some anti-help, I assume

spice rampart Nov 3, 2020, 5:51 AM

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Anti help?

solid haven Nov 3, 2020, 6:48 AM

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Help but towards something detrimental I suppose.

azure bay Nov 3, 2020, 7:12 AM

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Right

astral frost Nov 3, 2020, 8:24 AM

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@astral frost (he is ok with me pinging him) 'Demi-god -> animal' was performed by Mr. Owl. Then in Paradox ch2 he also teases his own future form - a fish.
I assume, by default azura tend to be reborn as a lesser form. Maybe exclusively as an animal, maybe as a human as well. To be reborn as a CS they usually need some anti-help, I assume
@azure bay That's very likely right now

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I've just realised all deaths we see in the games are not natural

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So maybe dying in a natural way let you reborn into a different stage than a CS

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Another point: Laura doesn't istantly reborn into a CS. She remains a Human (even if dead), until Mr Crow extracts her memories

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What do you think about that? Isn't death enough to transform you in a CS?

vague imp Nov 3, 2020, 8:37 AM

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im gonna use "anti help" now when some doesn't help that's been my TED talk

azure bay Nov 3, 2020, 9:11 AM

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@astral frost death is not enough for some cases. Actually, it's neither necessary, if we take Bob's example.
Talking about Laura, I admit being confused. If I'd try to explain it I'd have talked either about a plot hole or some yet unknown rule concerning rebirths

tight geyser Nov 3, 2020, 11:16 AM

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I want to insert a word. Let's think logically this: the existence of a hotel on the lake itself and the area itself near the lake. we all saw a picture that clearly depicts a plan of the lake, a mill hotel House of Vanderboom and the like, but this This territory cannot be isolated after all, technically, where should the settlement be? we use the data, we clearly know that there is a cigar factory on the lake and that there probably is some newspaper production, remember the roots? So this is relatively proof of the fact that there was a production means there were workers and they had a settlement. Now let's expand the frames. Dale is probably from this settlement, and his father or grandfather The workers of those industries, and through the window in idleness we see houses. These strings are connected, probably the Vanderboom house and the hotel To be relatively not far away, after all, let's think about it, Mr. Rabbit was somewhere before December 1939? Probably hiding from phyllin in the forests. And then, upon learning of his plans, he intervened and came and killed Dale's family It is not a fact that he was shot by a crow, which may be Dale's grandfather, but in idle time he is killed like a crow. So he achieved enlightenment. Nevertheless, if there is a town or even the village of Dale, then there must be a second major city. Now I will explain and prove. During the First World War, volunteers were taken to Front by train. Leonard fought and rode a motorcycle. We draw a conclusion Either they lived not far from the front line, or he was traveling to a distant city, where there is a train, most likely there was a white door and there Bob was born and lived. Indeed, in those dachas where Dale lived did not It looks like there were trains. That means we are childing the map in our head. Not far from the lake there is a small town, let's call it by the first letter of the name of Dale town D.

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And then, far enough away there is a city B, Named by the same logic after Bob. There is most likely a connection between them, because it was in city B that there was a police academy Dale and there he lived. The lake is located in a deep and dense forest, where you just can't get there, not everyone gets there, but there is one snag in the newspaper from the roots they wrote about the lake and there is even Photo of the well. So the reporter got there because the Vanderbooms couldn't just print the newspaper. And again, it is possible for a person to get there, hence a bad question, and not who has ever thought, and what Is this a house on the lake? Whose hut is this? Maybe a man's foot has stepped there since the Eilenders died?

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I think I proved the existence of cities near the lake and gave the probability that on Could get a random chebovek

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Questions?

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I hope it was not some kind of porridge and you will understand me

vague imp Nov 3, 2020, 11:42 AM

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I will read this after I finish my classes 🙌🏼

glossy isle Nov 3, 2020, 11:43 AM

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My colleague. He has already deduced many theories about the rusty lake.

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It's actually a good idea. It is not clear where these missing buildings are.

astral frost Nov 3, 2020, 11:52 AM

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In addition to this, in Paradox we see 2 maps of a possible layout of the RL world (with various names and buildings we already know). Idk if they are objective representations or just part of a puzzle.

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Probably it's a more metaphoric representation

covert wyvern Nov 3, 2020, 11:56 AM

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I highly doubt theres an actual island named after harvey

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lol

polar warren Nov 3, 2020, 11:57 AM

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Would love to go for a dip in the corrupted sea though

covert wyvern Nov 3, 2020, 11:57 AM

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Mood.

glossy isle Nov 3, 2020, 12:30 PM

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I would very much like to go myself to a rusty lake

tight geyser Nov 3, 2020, 12:33 PM

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@astral frost This map also has two cities

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So I p

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Right

undone sun Nov 3, 2020, 3:05 PM

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I belive that aint rusty lake but a map of Dale's mind

polar warren Nov 3, 2020, 3:32 PM

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Dale's

stuck lynx Nov 3, 2020, 3:42 PM

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Dave

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Nice name

undone sun Nov 3, 2020, 3:48 PM

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Lmao

azure bay Nov 3, 2020, 5:53 PM

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Lev, sorry but I struggle to understand your flow of thoughts. Too much information for my perception. Could you please repeat everything but devided into smaller parts?

spice rampart Nov 5, 2020, 1:56 PM

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Just asking,are all the hybrid animals in Rusty Lake Hotel the members of the Eilender who by chance were enlighten?

hollow comet Nov 5, 2020, 1:58 PM

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yep, all the guests (5 of them) and Mr Owl were Eilanders. Hotel also featured other hybrids (Mr Crow, Mr Bat, Mr Toad) who weren't.

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the Eilanders' enlightenment was by no means a thing of chance

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they did it through ||ritual sacrifice||

vague imp Nov 5, 2020, 2:14 PM

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I think you meant the 5 guests and Mr. Owl

hollow comet Nov 5, 2020, 2:31 PM

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yeah, sorry

azure bay Nov 5, 2020, 2:33 PM

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I guess, Mr. Owl is different nevertheless

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It seems that he'd die without Caroline's intervention

grave stratus Nov 5, 2020, 2:36 PM

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I find it strange how Mr. Toad is only found in Hotel, when all the other characters have at least some connection to the other games. (The guests being the Eilanders, Mr. Crow and Mr. Owl being main characters, and Mr. Bat being in The Cave and in a secret ending of ||Paradox||, and Harvey being in basically every game.) I feel like he might show up again in a later game, it just feels so weird how he is exclusive to this game and barely gets mentioned. In such an interconnected series where everything is connected to something else, there's just this one character who isn't.

azure bay Nov 5, 2020, 2:36 PM

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I'm not sure that Mr. Bat & the animal bat inside The Cave are connected

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But still I think I could explain Mr. Toad's exclusiveness

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He is just a hotel employee. Probably even less trusted than Mr. Bat.

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& Mr. Bat in Paradox indicates that Dale is going to the hotel as it was forecasted in the Hotel game

grave stratus Nov 5, 2020, 2:40 PM

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I assumed they are connected, just because they have the same face, and often the animal people have distinct faces when their animal counterparts are in game unless it's supposed to be them (Think the owls in Paradise not looking like Mr. Owl, but the boar being confirmed as Mr. Boar and looking like him)

azure bay Nov 5, 2020, 2:41 PM

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So do you think that pigeon in Harvey's box is connected to Mrs. Pigeon (who should be a CS under yhe lake) & the easter egg boar is Mr. Boar (while Gerard is still a human)?

grave stratus Nov 5, 2020, 2:42 PM

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But I see what you're getting at. It just struck me the wrong way how even characters like the old lady in Mill have other connections and he doesn't. And he plays a much larger role than other background characters like the police officer that ||Bob kills|| in Case 23 or the party guests in White Door

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Doesn't the achievement that you get say that it is Mr Boar? Or am I mistaken

azure bay Nov 5, 2020, 2:43 PM

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I don't remember

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But Gerard is believed by you to be Mr. Boar in the future

grave stratus Nov 5, 2020, 2:44 PM

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But for the pigeon I'm not sure about, good point

tight geyser Nov 5, 2020, 2:44 PM

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Lev, sorry but I struggle to understand your flow of thoughts. Too much information for my perception. Could you please repeat everything but devided into smaller parts?
@azure bay without proof i can

hollow comet Nov 5, 2020, 2:44 PM

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Silly idea, but Mr Toad would've had the least chance of surviving the outbreak of 1896. The other 3 could fly and have shown up in later games. TopKek

grave stratus Nov 5, 2020, 2:45 PM

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And for what I was saying, even if they aren't there their animal species play important roles in Paradise

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@hollow comet That actually makes a ton of sense

tight geyser Nov 5, 2020, 2:45 PM

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I'll try to explain it more simply.

azure bay Nov 5, 2020, 2:45 PM

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Toad could just swim away :з

hollow comet Nov 5, 2020, 2:46 PM

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the Lake was swarming with corrupted souls

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he couldn't have made it far

raven spindle Nov 5, 2020, 2:46 PM

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weren't there toads in paradise? 👀 (/joking i dont have serious theories)

grave stratus Nov 5, 2020, 2:46 PM

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They were frogs I think @raven spindle

raven spindle Nov 5, 2020, 2:46 PM

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aha

azure bay Nov 5, 2020, 2:47 PM

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@grave stratus I think boar & rabbit in Paradise are hints that the main characters of the plague are specific future guests in the hotel

grave stratus Nov 5, 2020, 2:47 PM

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What do you mean? @azure bay

azure bay Nov 5, 2020, 2:49 PM

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The boar appears in the chapter where Gerard either dies or gets revived. The rabbit in the chapter when David goes killing everything as a fly

grave stratus Nov 5, 2020, 2:49 PM

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Yeah

azure bay Nov 5, 2020, 2:50 PM

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So it could be just hinting their connection to the certaint guests

grave stratus Nov 5, 2020, 2:50 PM

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So maybe they're the spirits of them? Being brought out?

azure bay Nov 5, 2020, 2:50 PM

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@grave stratus are you familiar with the samsara concept?

grave stratus Nov 5, 2020, 2:50 PM

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Yeah

tight geyser Nov 5, 2020, 2:51 PM

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In general, if it's easier, I wanted to say this. Cities sprang up around industries. We know there was a cigar production on the lake And apparently newspapers. So there was a town around the corner, probably the town where Dale lived, but it was also the second town where the white door events took place and a bob was born. Also, apparently anyone can get to the lake, Despite the fact that it is surrounded by forest. In that long message I prove that there is a city of Dale (D) and a city of Bob's city (B). This is what I prove there. @azure bay

grave stratus Nov 5, 2020, 2:51 PM

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I'm trying to think where else the deer appears. I think in the woods in Paradox and during Locusts, right?

azure bay Nov 5, 2020, 2:51 PM

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There was no deer in Paradise

tight geyser Nov 5, 2020, 2:52 PM

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I think the forest near the lake, a kind of protective barrier from random and unnecessary travelers.

grave stratus Nov 5, 2020, 2:52 PM

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Huh, could've sworn there was... Oh well

azure bay Nov 5, 2020, 2:53 PM

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So, samsara. The original samsara implies that the sequence of rebirths is linear. There cannot be 2 minds in 1 body

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So spirits are questionable to exist

grave stratus Nov 5, 2020, 2:54 PM

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Hmm...

azure bay Nov 5, 2020, 2:54 PM

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I think the forest near the lake, a kind of protective barrier from random and unnecessary travelers.
@tight geyser which games are you refering to?

tight geyser Nov 5, 2020, 2:55 PM

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This is my version. Is it possible to get to the lakes by chance?

grave stratus Nov 5, 2020, 2:55 PM

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Well, you could argue that the uncle is dying/dead in that chapter until he gets the ||clockwork heart||, and that the brother is kind of dead from being a fly?

azure bay Nov 5, 2020, 2:56 PM

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I'm convinced that Gerard was still alive during boar appearance

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This is my version. Is it possible to get to the lakes by chance?
@tight geyser probably not. But the forest may or may not be that bareer of yours

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I ask you for the examples

hollow comet Nov 5, 2020, 2:57 PM

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This is my version. Is it possible to get to the lakes by chance?
there's that guy fishing in The Cave

azure bay Nov 5, 2020, 2:57 PM

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He does not seem being random.

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He definetely helps with a deed he could not know about

hollow comet Nov 5, 2020, 2:58 PM

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I think that's just a puzzle mechanic

azure bay Nov 5, 2020, 2:59 PM

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Never the less it's not right to use him as an evidense if we can't agree on his role

hollow comet Nov 5, 2020, 3:01 PM

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doesn't sound right Shrug

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is there any other person we all can agree on?

azure bay Nov 5, 2020, 3:02 PM

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Mary Vanderboom?

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Ida Reiziger?

hollow comet Nov 5, 2020, 3:02 PM

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both showed up out of nowhere

azure bay Nov 5, 2020, 3:03 PM

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(a good place for my nickname pun)

hollow comet Nov 5, 2020, 3:04 PM

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Ida just happened to carry a pipe

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those are merely puzzle mechanics

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so is the fishing guy making letters

azure bay Nov 5, 2020, 3:04 PM

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Ida was there not only for a pipe

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She seems to be a traveling future teller

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& knowing that her wedding with Sam was 5 years later with Leo already born

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She gave him birth on the road

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& returned to settle down with his biological father

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So we have here at least 2 cases of her entering the lake region

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@tight geyser 1) what examples do you have of the forest being a bareer on the way to the Lake
2) why do you think that Dale & Bob are living in different cities? & what reasons do you have to believe that they are situated near the lake?

covert wyvern Nov 5, 2020, 3:10 PM

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Dales view from birthday is a small town, isn't it?

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it's likely he moved after his parents died and he became a detective, of course.

azure bay Nov 5, 2020, 3:11 PM

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That's my point

tight geyser Nov 5, 2020, 3:13 PM

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@azure bay About cities. See two snags. Firstly, those summer cottages that we see in idleness, whether vryat could be rebuilt in the city that is in the white door. Second, we know Leonard fought. During WWI troops were taken to the front by train. Or The lake was not far from the front line, or Leonard drove to some large city where the train was, since the latter were small

azure bay Nov 5, 2020, 3:15 PM

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A friend of mine has 2 separate theories.

The Lake is in Canada
Dale & Bob live in NYC

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Here's why

tight geyser Nov 5, 2020, 3:16 PM

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What NYC?

azure bay Nov 5, 2020, 3:16 PM

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New York City

tight geyser Nov 5, 2020, 3:17 PM

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Well, first of all, are they not? Leonard was in English uniform, which means at least a house and a lake in England. As for Bob, I think he is American but the white door and that city is not far from the lake

covert wyvern Nov 5, 2020, 3:20 PM

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The lake probably has multiple access points around the globe

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and could very well exist in a pocket dimension

azure bay Nov 5, 2020, 3:21 PM

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- Rusty Lake is a common name in Canada.

Daily Herald is present in Canada.
Canadian used british gear during WWI

- Dale's profession in that very form, according to my friend, is US exclusive

His car is Chrysler widely used by different US police departments.
Not only Bob's cube was found in NYC this year, but also Hoorn's body. That could mean that TWD is also there.

But what evidence do you have of TWD being near the lake?

tight geyser Nov 5, 2020, 3:21 PM

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Well, the lake can at least be in the pocket dimension, but other objects can be nearby and the lake can change its position

covert wyvern Nov 5, 2020, 3:22 PM

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Huh

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that's actually good evidence.

azure bay Nov 5, 2020, 3:24 PM

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Plus "my daughter will return to Rusty Lake" probably implies that Laura's moved far away from her mother's home

tight geyser Nov 5, 2020, 3:28 PM

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you know, I thought, maybe the lake and the world of the asuras are one reality, but our world is different and the area from the junction is the lake, there the film between the changes is so thin that you can easily get there and from there.this place affects behavior and psyche, for example, Albert. that's why there is a hotel, it is a transition point for asuras from one world to another, and that's why phillin is sitting there. he follows events. possibly lakes can move in space

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This explains the paranormality of the lake, it is located at the junction of two worlds.

azure bay Nov 5, 2020, 3:30 PM

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I tend to believe more in the lake being accessible from different points

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While Hotel can be seen in Arles

tight geyser Nov 5, 2020, 3:31 PM

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The hotel and the lake can be seen in both worlds!

azure bay Nov 5, 2020, 3:31 PM

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We don't know anything about Azura's world

tight geyser Nov 5, 2020, 3:31 PM

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We don't know anything about Azura's world
@azure bay Well actually

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There is one

azure bay Nov 5, 2020, 3:31 PM

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Not enough at least

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But go on

stuck lynx Nov 5, 2020, 3:32 PM

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Wow

tight geyser Nov 5, 2020, 3:32 PM

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We know that Mr. Pig was an ambassador. Ambassador of what? How did you rule as an ambassador for something? Perhaps the asuras?

hollow comet Nov 5, 2020, 3:32 PM

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technically, the surface of the Lake is the interface between the mortal realm and the underwater forest, the home of the corrupted souls CH_Pepecoolnerd

covert wyvern Nov 5, 2020, 3:32 PM

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Yes.

tight geyser Nov 5, 2020, 3:33 PM

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Lakes and purgatory of damned souls. I don't deny it

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Maybe there just at the junction of the worlds, they are sent. The deer soul escaped from the lake and attacked

azure bay Nov 5, 2020, 3:47 PM

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CS are free to go out

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Owl's letter says so

undone sun Nov 5, 2020, 3:51 PM

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How did the cow in the mill got to where it was?

covert wyvern Nov 5, 2020, 3:51 PM

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the window.

hollow comet Nov 5, 2020, 3:51 PM

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cowJAM

azure bay Nov 5, 2020, 3:57 PM

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How did the cow in the mill got to where it was?
@undone sun Mr. Owl has powers to teleport Dale. A cow should not be a problem :з

vague imp Nov 5, 2020, 9:09 PM

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😂😂😂😂😂

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Why did I laugh harder than I should have

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@azure bay you're passively funny

vague imp Nov 5, 2020, 10:17 PM

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I need @azure bay to answer my questions but I have no idea where he is so I'll wait :) please ping me when you see this

slender olive Nov 6, 2020, 1:02 AM

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One question I have: How does Arles tie into any of this? Other than having common elements to the other games, I mean.

undone sun Nov 6, 2020, 1:10 AM

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He's red-haired

slender olive Nov 6, 2020, 2:06 AM

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Ah. You know, I didn’t think about that. Thank you.

undone sun Nov 6, 2020, 2:40 AM

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You're welcome

astral frost Nov 6, 2020, 2:41 AM

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brain

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Btw Arles revisits Van Gogh's death

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Adding his transformation into a CS and his "sanitation" by facing it

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Well, nothing so important for the main lore😛

vague imp Nov 6, 2020, 6:02 AM

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Wait I don't get it, what does red hair have anything to do with the link between other games? For Van gogh

hollow comet Nov 6, 2020, 6:04 AM

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as of yet unknown

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#🦞｜rusty-memes message

vague imp Nov 6, 2020, 6:06 AM

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Okaaay?

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Unknown to us ? Or unknown to the developers 😊

hollow comet Nov 6, 2020, 6:08 AM

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Shrug

vague imp Nov 6, 2020, 6:49 AM

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But if you're working for rusty lake developers, I'm sure you know something we don't 😌

hollow comet Nov 6, 2020, 7:03 AM

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I think you're mistaken. The only people associated with RL have the Rusty Lake role. I am not a dev.

azure bay Nov 6, 2020, 2:24 PM

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@vague imp you wanted to see me?

vague imp Nov 6, 2020, 2:35 PM

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Yeah I liked your joke

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Made me laugh very hard

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But my question: how come they use memories of the people but not the livestock in rusty lake 😕 don't cows have memories? @azure bay

azure bay Nov 6, 2020, 2:47 PM

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I don't really get your point@vague imp

vague imp Nov 6, 2020, 2:48 PM

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Mr owl only targets people, not animals

azure bay Nov 6, 2020, 2:48 PM

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People are much more sapient

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Lake does not like otherwise I guess))))

vague imp Nov 6, 2020, 3:00 PM

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Yeah probably

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Thanks tho :)

astral frost Nov 6, 2020, 3:38 PM

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📎 IMG_20201106_163800.jpg

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Oh no

covert wyvern Nov 6, 2020, 3:39 PM

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O yes.

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you're really missing out on the hype in general

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LMAO

astral frost Nov 6, 2020, 3:40 PM

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😂

vague imp Nov 6, 2020, 3:59 PM

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So the flower in the vase it's white right?

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XD please be genuine im colourblind

polar warren Nov 6, 2020, 3:59 PM

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Yes

uneven flicker Nov 6, 2020, 3:59 PM

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Yes, the white. Though we don't know what the exact sort is.

vague imp Nov 6, 2020, 3:59 PM

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white flowers normally represent death

spice rampart Nov 6, 2020, 4:00 PM

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~~We are playing as Frank this time,yay~~

vague imp Nov 6, 2020, 4:00 PM

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but also purity and innocence

weak patrol Nov 6, 2020, 4:00 PM

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it might be frank rose or leo

ocean flume Nov 6, 2020, 4:00 PM

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The flower makes me think of Emma thought.

vague imp Nov 6, 2020, 4:00 PM

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although i wouldn't call Albert "pure and innocent"

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but okay let's say for the sake of this theory it's for a memorial

uneven flicker Nov 6, 2020, 4:01 PM

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I thought that too. But because of the flower and the casket, I think the flower is for memorial.

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I suggest it would be chrysanthemum....?

vague imp Nov 6, 2020, 4:02 PM

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what?

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i don't understand fancy words

weak patrol Nov 6, 2020, 4:02 PM

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i looked at it

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it is ussually aa white rose

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ROSE

ocean flume Nov 6, 2020, 4:02 PM

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Yup

vague imp Nov 6, 2020, 4:02 PM

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well it could be Rose

uneven flicker Nov 6, 2020, 4:02 PM

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I thought this flower.

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But white rose, yes, that's also interesting theory!

spice frigate Nov 6, 2020, 4:02 PM

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It's most likely Chrysanthemum

uneven flicker Nov 6, 2020, 4:03 PM

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Yep, that flower.

vague imp Nov 6, 2020, 4:03 PM

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oh lmao i thought it was a fancy word sorry im not a native English speaker..XD

weak patrol Nov 6, 2020, 4:03 PM

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but it really looked like that cris something flower

vague imp Nov 6, 2020, 4:03 PM

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also im not really a botanic so idk my flowers

weak patrol Nov 6, 2020, 4:03 PM

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same

spice frigate Nov 6, 2020, 4:03 PM

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I think they're worldwide if it comes to meaning of "death" and "memorial?

weak patrol Nov 6, 2020, 4:03 PM

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imma call it chris flower, cause the actual name is tedious

uneven flicker Nov 6, 2020, 4:03 PM

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It's fine😁I can simply add more explanations.

vague imp Nov 6, 2020, 4:03 PM

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idk if it's worldwide?

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some countries have different flowers for that

spice frigate Nov 6, 2020, 4:04 PM

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thats why I said I think

vague imp Nov 6, 2020, 4:04 PM

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oh mdfklbndfbd

weak patrol Nov 6, 2020, 4:04 PM

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just looked at it

uneven flicker Nov 6, 2020, 4:04 PM

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Yeah in Korea we use that flower for memorial. But I have no idea what flower is used for memorial in other countries.

vague imp Nov 6, 2020, 4:04 PM

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sorry my brain blocked that part out omg

spice frigate Nov 6, 2020, 4:04 PM

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There are many flowers, but there are some that are well... Mostly used

weak patrol Nov 6, 2020, 4:04 PM

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the flower could as well be lily

vague imp Nov 6, 2020, 4:04 PM

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im so sorry..XD

ocean flume Nov 6, 2020, 4:04 PM

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Chrysanthemum are more likely because they are mourn flowers.

spice frigate Nov 6, 2020, 4:04 PM

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I mean, Europe uses it so

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I think whole world does too?

spice rampart Nov 6, 2020, 4:05 PM

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Chrysanthemum are more likely because they are mourn flowers.
Quite possibly it can Chrysanthemum👀

vague imp Nov 6, 2020, 4:05 PM

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maybe idk but anyways i think we are likely playing as either:
*Albert
*Rose
*Leonard
i doubt Frank would bury the man he killed/hated so..XD

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uhhh

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graciously?

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why would you hold a fancy funeral for someone you hated

ocean flume Nov 6, 2020, 4:05 PM

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Rose is most likely then.

weak patrol Nov 6, 2020, 4:06 PM

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In America and Europe, the meanings focus on sympathy and honor. The color plays a role in the meaning as well. Red symbolizes love, while white symbolizes innocence.

vague imp Nov 6, 2020, 4:06 PM

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maybe but im curious do see where it goes?

weak patrol Nov 6, 2020, 4:06 PM

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that's what i found in the website

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about the chris flower

vague imp Nov 6, 2020, 4:06 PM

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oh right we don't know where Rusty Lake takes place in

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like country wise

weak patrol Nov 6, 2020, 4:06 PM

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it's in europe

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leo takes a motorbbike

vague imp Nov 6, 2020, 4:06 PM

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yeah but what country exactly..XD

ocean flume Nov 6, 2020, 4:07 PM

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Maybe western europe

weak patrol Nov 6, 2020, 4:07 PM

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we at least know the continent

vague imp Nov 6, 2020, 4:07 PM

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maybe..XD

ocean flume Nov 6, 2020, 4:07 PM

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Or British Ilses.

hollow comet Nov 6, 2020, 4:07 PM

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if only the Netherlands had mountains

vague imp Nov 6, 2020, 4:07 PM

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i remember being in a country that had biggggggggg

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mountains in europe

weak patrol Nov 6, 2020, 4:07 PM

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russia?

vague imp Nov 6, 2020, 4:08 PM

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no..

ocean flume Nov 6, 2020, 4:08 PM

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France Italie or Switzerland ?