And Mr. Owl forms a big, huge part of the bigger picture.
#🤔｜theories
upper drift
vague imp
Ye
tight geyser
Well , we can think about this man is random character now , but on a future , whi know his role a bigger or not , 乁[ ◕ ᴥ ◕ ]ㄏ
upper drift
Hmmm
vague imp
I dont think soo
But maybe
Who knows
For now , it is just random character that is used to fill place
tight geyser
Who know who know ....
spice frigate
For now , it is just random character that is used to fill place
For me, it's just a character to fill place in
Characters share minor and major role depending on the game
Major being those who add up to the story and progress it
Minor, those who add up to story less or are just characters to fill up background
meager cape
Hey I found out something about The White Door! See if my theories are correct:
The doctors and the manager (Mr. Owl) invited Robert Hill to The White Door because they want to extract Hill’s memories (black cubes). Login to the account of the doctors to see that Mr. Owl said that Hill’s memories are important. So everyday, the doctors will add sleep medicine to his meals (because on day three the rat ate his breakfast and died) and extract his memories at night in his dream. On day two Hill didn’t eat his breakfast so he woke up. Sarah erased Hill’s memories about Laura for his freedom (her password was even FREE). Or the manager of The White Door will keep him and gave nightmares to him. The White door was built three years before Hill entered it, which means Mr. Owl extracted a lot of black cubes from the past patients.
vague imp
I dont think that rap dies
Rat**
He just ate a lot of food
And he is laying on his back
meager cape
At least it's asleep
meager cape
I think he is...
and a brown suit
desert marten
dale does have some weird connection to mr deer
- mr deer attacked dale in the cabin
- corrupted souls rip the heads off deer around dale multiple times
- deer headed dale appears in paradox and the white door
desert marten
is this to imply that dale's demigodsona will be a deer, do you think?
vague imp
Idk
desert marten
speaking of which
the 6 stages of the wheel seen in theatre: hell, hungry ghost, animal, human, demigod, god
we have seen nothing of the god stage and very little of hell
only when you blend or try to set on fire the mushrooms in seasons
vague imp
Yep
desert marten
unless the lake is the god stage?
idk maybe mr crow's boat is shaped like a big yellow question mark from above
polar warren
Rip deer (plural) who got their heads ripped off cause of Dale 😔
tight geyser
guys we all know that all the events of the 1970s start with Laura's depression. Because of her, events are going on in a chain reaction. and who didn’t think why this depression? maybe it started with her death
"mother" Rosa? And her death caused these events. Sorry for the mistakes if that.
just then it is logical that the events of the root pass into the events of 1970.
desert marten
interesting theory, i like it
rose dies -> laura depressed -> hallucinates doorless room -> e g g -> visits cabin w/ harvey & gets attacked -> suicide -> corrupted by crow -> changes past ->
laura depressed -> hallucinates doorless room -> uncorrupts via magical telephone
suicide -> dale investigates -> dale attacked in cabin -> elevator down to cave -> test -> back up into hotel
suicide -> crow takes body -> extracts memories, corrupts laura -> crow quotes self at laura -> takes dale to cabin -> prepares test -> gives dale golden cube
dale investigates -> theatre -> bob interrogated -> bob corrupted -> white door
hollow comet
I'm not sure why Laura would die twice
desert marten
it's a branching tree sort of thing
tight geyser
the translator translated it as complete nonsense, but I understood what he was talking about, on the lake events branch out like a tree. echoes of these events; alternative endings in games. that is, all hypotheses are possible
In alternative events.
I would like to note that if Laura's depression is caused by the death of Rosa, then all events become one chain. A large hole in these events lies between root and paradis. that is, at that level
Understanding the brothers of the events before them and how they could find Caroline's records. After all, they probably created an elixir from the remains of this book.
Again, sorry if there are any mistakes.
solid haven
It's implied that Aldous/mr Crow knew mr Owl before drinking the elixir, the question is how did they meet in the first place?
hollow comet
the Vanderbooms were after the elixir, which was created by Mr Owl's mother
they could've met in the cave
solid haven
I assumed the brothers wouldn't know about the elixir, though it actually is a part of of alchemy isn't it?
upper drift
It's implied that Aldous/mr Crow knew mr Owl before drinking the elixir, the question is how did they meet in the first place?
Is it, though?
hollow comet
yeah, in the last level of Roots, after William dies, Mr Crow says he has to go because Mr Owl needs his help
upper drift
In the secret level?
fringe sparrow
hey guy i know the whole story
i am going to upload it on yotube so please i just want to discuss with you is it right story or wrong
and most important I want to discuss is bob part
i think that theatre game and birthday game was not in real life it was a test by
Mr owl and Mr crow in real life there was no grand father in the birth day it was crow to see if he succeed in the test
in real life his parents were dead no grand father was there
hollow comet
he left a letter :)
fringe sparrow
i think because they have the pistol from which ms pheasent was killed in hotel so rabbit have the blue cube he want a substance from his past life so by joining them he can go past and safe him from being dead
it was mr rabbit corrupted soul
have you played white door ?
hollow comet
yes
fringe sparrow
in real theatre thing he just got himself shot by pistol and he goes to white door and dale was there to investigate bob as he was the laura boyfriend
he investigate because of case 23
i have a main quetion why corrupted soul
always kill laura
?
hey anybody can tell
It's implied that Aldous/mr Crow knew mr Owl before drinking the elixir, the question is how did they meet in the first place?
@solid haven
oh i dont even know it it is a nice question
yea also when he reach the cave he get old till that time
i have also an another question
what we get when we enligten
solid haven
The corrupted soul in Seasons or Paradox?
solid haven
In Seasons she kills herself, the corrupted soul is most likely a hallucination caused by her depression and supposed to represent it.
fringe sparrow
oh
what is samasara room is it william corrupted soul
in the samasara
@solid haven are you indian
solid haven
No, I'm not, but that is in fact what Samsara Room is about.
I've heard about the wheel of life and how it connects to this as it's already been discussed in this channel.
fringe sparrow
do you know that in the theatre in pitures what is written
solid haven
No, it's in Sanskrit right?
solid haven
Well that's lucky.
fringe sparrow
प्रेत
it means a ghost or vampire
solid haven
That was on the corrupted soul picture, yes?
fringe sparrow
नरग
yes> That was on the corrupted soul picture, yes?
@solid haven
नरग
it was in the red trees photos
it means hell
solid haven
Yes, makes sense.
fringe sparrow
roots
james when discover william lab
when he figures the password
in the third phot where there is a fish it means
man with animal head
solid haven
Pretty sure that references mr Owl? He is a man with an animal head and we see him become a fish in Paradox.
upper drift
Yeh.
upper drift
But Aldous Vanderboom was there in theatre to make sure he shoots himself.
We see that in TWD
Moreover..
vague imp
Yep
upper drift
Aldous was the alteration in Dale's memory of birthday so that he could hit two birds eith one stone.
*with
That Rabbit's CS had somehow escaped capture, coz if you see in the secret globe scene, it can be seen that while the attack of the corrupted souls, Mr. Rabbit was nowhere to be found.
upper drift
Allegedly, he somehow escaped capture, or had cooked up something else..
Similar alteration was Bob and Aldous in theatre.
He must have gone to a very normal theatre at some point in his life...
vague imp
Of course
upper drift
Which got altered into what we are seeing today.
This was so that the sequence of events in The White Door could happen.
Actually...
Come to think of it...
Dale must have gone to the theatre becoz he knew from intel, that Bob was present there.
To take him into custody.
And interrogate him.
But ding-ding.. too late. One half of TWD had already happened.
And Mr. Owl had once again hit two birds with one stone
He got his wanderer/successor. And he got Bob into his grasp as well.
One more theory (I'm on fire today🔥 😂 )
(Jk)
The Elevator is a teleporting machine. There is time/ dimension travel in the story.
That's how Dale was able to rewrite his past and change his fate with the Blue Cube (just like Vincent VanGogh in Arles)
(In Bday)
earnest blade
Yep. That elevator is the one in Rusty Lake Hotel
upper drift
Aye.
And all other games XD
Remind me what Mr. Owl said, after he recovered in Cave?
earnest blade
"Dale's journey's about to start"
earnest blade
Are there two Mr. Rabbits or just one?
upper drift
That's a good question.
There are apparently Hybrids, is what people say.
I would say, Mr. Rabbit has somehow achieved one of two things...
A. Regeneration
B. Casting a part of himself in the past and in the future (when you look at the perspective of RL: Hotel).
My second theory, I admit, is based on Harry Potter. XD
tight geyser
I propose to divide the history of the lake into three parts The first is the events of paradise and everything that came before. Then comes the second, it's all starting with the root, that is, the hotel and the arles. And at the end of the event from 1960-65 since Laura's depression and then
And the moment they met bob
hollow comet
hey everyone! can anyone told me how's the chronology??
@pale widget
From the wiki:
The White Door happens just after Theatre
and Samsara Room is set during the end of Roots
pale widget
thank you so much!
upper drift
When did he add this though🤔
hey everyone! can anyone told me how's the chronology??
This?
fringe sparrow
yea
tight geyser
white door came in 1972, root from 1859 to 1935 and samsara somewhere in the middle of the twentieth century, I really love root.
tight geyser
Roots began in 1959 this year the brothers prepared an elixir, William died.
We saw it on a secret level
Samsara room is in same time when roots end as i remember
¯_ʘ‿ʘ_/¯
vague imp
Half the rusty lake character would be dead from asbestos poisoning, Mr.Crow would get mold sickness no questions asked, dear lord fictional worlds and buildings are the bane of my existence
why did i have do be such an idiot do learn real estate everything annoys me now
covert wyvern
cant believe the real reason for wanting immortality; avoiding asbestos poisening.
vague imp
you might be immortal but it will make you wish you could fucking die
tight geyser
if immortality does not guarantee eternal youth, this is garbage ... There is a curse in the form of immortality, but if nothing holds you, then you can become immortal
hollow comet
they're not actually immortal, you know
willow hatch
pretty sure the immortality wears off
upper drift
It's more of a long term investment.
All that effort of making the Elixir is not so that you can survive a knife stab lol.
It's so you can outlive other peeps.
hollow comet
Oh yeah, also does his uniform prove that Vanderbooms are British?
@rapid ivy heck, never noticed that lmao
all of their surnames are dutch; it's popular opinion that the Lake is located in The Netherlands
but Leonard's uniform does seem like a British solider's in WW1
now that you point it out
all of their surnames are dutch; it's popular opinion that the Lake is located in The Netherlands
I should also add what many noticed- the Lake has mountains nearby; The Netherlands is flat
rapid ivy
Well, I might assume that developers have chosen random ww1 uniform cuz honestly his trench boots are not correct.... British had puttees and short boots
But mostly yeah, his uniform IS british
And his motorcycle is probably a Triumph model H which is also british and was used in ww1
(Tho it was created in 1915 and Leo has it already in Spring of 1914....)
hollow comet
good eye
vague imp
tbh i highly doubt they are British
rapid ivy
There were Despatch Riders Corps in ww1 to deliver urgent messages
Leo probably served in them at first
(Just my thoughts tho)
So both bike and pigeons are useful
hollow comet
it makes some sense for the lake to be located in the British Isles
There were Despatch Riders Corps in ww1 to deliver urgent messages
did they go on the front lines?
hollow comet
Welsh and Scottish people are also british
rapid ivy
Yeah but also most of ww1 happened on lands of European Mailand tho........
vague imp
they might not gave a Scottish citizienship
hollow comet
no but, Leonard lost a leg
vague imp
but they are called the Scottish for a reason
not "The British"
hollow comet
if he was a messenger
vague imp
So there is a difference still
hollow comet
were the dispatch rider corps active in combat
vague imp
The Scottish people (Scots: Scots Fowk; Scottish Gaelic: Albannaich, Old English: Scottas) or Scots, are a nation and ethnic group native to Scotland. Historically, they emerged from an amalgamation of two Celtic-speaking peoples, the Picts and Gaels, who founded the Kingdom of Scotland (or Alba) in the 9th century.
hollow comet
I'm talking geography lmao
vague imp
XD lmao dfmkbbdf yeah ik but really i think Scottish/Wales are still their own country
rapid ivy
What if the ancestor of Vanderbooms were Dutch, but then some generation moved to British islands?
vague imp
if you have a flag it's a country
hollow comet
The Worldwides
vague imp
maybe but maybe also
*William [or a female ancestor] moved from Dutch to the British isles
*Got married [So the female [if they got married to him] took his name and thus well
yeah
rapid ivy
Fair enough
vague imp
but the true questions which area in these countries has a mountainous area
that could lessen the options
I would argue Colonsay
mostly because it is surrounded by mountains
This is in Scotland btw
rapid ivy
Well, I’m quite bad at british geography, so no idea
vague imp
ah well i find them rather interesting
but ig [i haven't found out where this pic was taken yet]
rapid ivy
Any brits in here who can name the mountainous region?
vague imp
could be the inspiration for the hotel
Maybe maybe
its even on a island away from the mainland
im just using this an excuse do show you all these images mfkvjd
spice frigate
Besides what guns were those?
@upper drift the one Leo had?\
upper drift
Yeah
vague imp
It is from war ig
upper drift
Bayonet is the knife edged in front of the sword.
vague imp
something like this likely irl
vague imp
Lmao
upper drift
But as the other guy said...
tight geyser
upper drift
His uniform does look like a British army uniform
And yeah.. I presumed it to be Harley Davidson too.. the second time I'd played it.
upper drift
Maybe.
upper drift
That's why I said it didn't help.
vague imp
Just like river in mill
upper drift
Hence the motorcycle next.
tight geyser
I wonder what Leonard did after the war, where will the one-legged invalid be taken
vague imp
Likely lived with his family lol?he sorta went missing in action after that
so i assume he just relaxed.
upper drift
He will be taken out of commission because he will be a liability if he enters the war again.
Aaah yes.
vague imp
That is some cool motorcycle.
tbh i doubt Leonard even would be fit enough do fight in WW2 if he didn't loose his legs
upper drift
Yeah. And it took him till the graveyard XD
tight geyser
Cool cool
vague imp
you went through a shitload of stress in the trenches
upper drift
Yeh.
vague imp
Maybe
tight geyser
I think Leonard died in the spring of 1935 in the roots of dvrea
tight geyser
With Frank
vague imp
Maybe so who knows
tight geyser
let's score it in the fandom for fun and see the status
I have it written unknown, maybe he was lucky?
vague imp
Oh rlly?
I think Leo would be the first do die, lmao...from sickness or smth
Ye ye
ever heard of mustard gas?
upper drift
Well... both are at peace now, atleast.
tight geyser
I think they both became biomass for
tight geyser
William
upper drift
Pffft
vague imp
6+ souls in one body
upper drift
This is hilarious😂 😂
vague imp
XDDDDDD
upper drift
Lol
covert wyvern
is this still a RL theory?
spice frigate
ever heard of mustard gas?
Famous last words before tragedy
tight geyser
By the way, do you think Leonard knew that Rose was closer to him than his cousin
upper drift
Mr. Deer: hybrid
Mr. Rabbit: hybrid
Laura: Hybrid?
tight geyser
By the way, maybe Leonard liked to hunt for treasures, remember he got that card from somewhere
vague imp
Ye ye
tight geyser
I still think William didn't care about his nephew's relatives
upper drift
How. Did. Crow and Owl. Meet
!?
tight geyser
¯(◉‿◉)/¯
upper drift
William, the selfish prick... wanted only one thing.
Reincarnation.
That ass was the main reason all this started.
tight geyser
I think when Leonard found the chronometer, he immediately hobbled to the pawnshop
upper drift
Lol
tight geyser
Well, why does he need him, I understand he was looking for treasure
covert wyvern
ye roots is literally just
tight geyser
Ha
covert wyvern
Hello, my name is william, and welcome to jackass.
upper drift
Ikr
covert wyvern
proceeds to tear apart a family for a second life
upper drift
Yep.
vague imp
Ye ye
tight geyser
Heh
vague imp
Roots in a nutshell
covert wyvern
(im replaying roots right now, bc of yall discussions <3)
upper drift
Lol.. cool. It never gets old.
tight geyser
In general, I wrote a text about Leonard and posted it to fan writings.
upper drift
Also... Dale's future will be interesting to see now.
covert wyvern
mhm dales future is interesting;
tight geyser
Its a future 😏
covert wyvern
depending on the timeline, he's either dead, the succesor or the lake, or a murderer?
vague imp
Im interested will he change his brown suit
vague imp
Or will he be brown suited for a whole series
upper drift
Exactly like this. Although I'd love to see him take Mr. Owl's attire.
He's gonna yeet himself into a lake anyways
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Anyways...
I'd also wanna see what happens to Laura.
vague imp
Same there
upper drift
Or Mr. Owl will just ghost the entire Vanderboom family!?!?
Then he is a bloody genius.
And highly manupulative.
Think dude...
He let all of this to happen..
Just to get his successor.
Namely a guy who solves puzzles.
covert wyvern
mr crow had his eyes on de vanderbooms the entire time tho
upper drift
Yes...
covert wyvern
im sure owl wouldve intervened if necessary
upper drift
But Owl himself told Crow to watch over the V's
So the reincarnation could be ensured.
vague imp
Hmmm
upper drift
If that's the case then it's like making a pig fat, just to eventually slaughter it.
upper drift
Owl's brother?
upper drift
Yeeeah...
covert wyvern
Im a good moderator
vague imp
Yep
upper drift
Lol
covert wyvern
mhm.
correction;
why would owl allow for crows brother to come after him
that doesnt seem very useful
upper drift
Oh that...
Well... Owl does all of the crap he does. Asks Crow to supervise. Asks crow to ask William to help em all.
Roots happens.
Laura is born.
Years later Laura suicides.
vague imp
Yep
upper drift
Dale comes into the picture...
And boom.
He watches as Dale works his way past.
And then fast forward to Paradox.
vague imp
Right.
upper drift
Done. He used Laura/William beautifully, quite possibl y pissed off Crow.. and then runs away and leaves Dale with the Owl mask.
Idk
vague imp
Hmmm
upper drift
Somewhere this doesn't connect though.
vague imp
Ye
upper drift
What if Owl was himself trying to escape his fate?
upper drift
He was forced to do it remember...
vague imp
That is some mind blowing theory XDD
upper drift
Caroline burnt... plagues.. Jakob sacrificed...
All on force.
None of it was wished by Jakob.
vague imp
Ye
covert wyvern
owl just wants peace ;-;
upper drift
Okay...?
willow hatch
Wha
upper drift
No I mean... what's the point?
Ohhh
OH
RIGHT
But well.. wrong place, I guess.
(Wrong channel)
stoic timber
no
upper drift
Okay.
earnest blade
Anybody knows the currencies they use at the Lake?
meager cape
The White Door says it's the "Rusty money"
covert wyvern
we should realise that is a dream sequence, so the moneys probably not accurate to real life.
earnest blade
It's very funny that the money Robert Hill used in the dream has Mr. Owl on it
upper drift
It does.
earnest blade
But who is it on the 5 cash?
upper drift
he's really some sort of a deity outside the Lake
Don't think so.. though.
I feel he's a guy struggling to achieve something.
Question is.. what!?
earnest blade
The green one
upper drift
And I feel like the next game will be our first game in the perspective of Mr. Owl as an ascended being.
Don't remember🤔
As I've said before. Owl wants something beneath the lake that no Submarine can bring or no lackey of his can do the job...
Is what I think.
By the way.. anyone believes a monster(?) lives beneath the Rusty Lake?
hollow comet
But who is it on the 5 cash?
I think I might have seen him somewhere; can't remember though
may just be misremembering
or he could be a minor character
upper drift
Yeh.. I checked on #the-white-door-help too ;)
Lol
Anyways..
He looked like younger Albert Einstein XD to me.
Maybe even Einstein must have "escaped his fate" like Vincent Van Gogh lol
Wait a second....
Is that his uncle!?!?
Jakob's uncle?
earnest blade
Is that... Nicolas Eilander??
upper drift
It looks like either one of em
willow hatch
Looks like nicholas and gerard mashed together
hollow comet
nevermind, I was thinking of this guy
upper drift
Yesss
earnest blade
There are a lot of people with mustache
hollow comet
upper drift
O
hollow comet
it's clearly not him
hollow comet
but I hope you can see how I remembered the hair lmao
earnest blade
🤔
upper drift
His hair is shorter.
earnest blade
Mhm
covert wyvern
The moustache is uncanny tho
earnest blade
Maybe Samuel (I'm guessing blindly now)
upper drift
LOL no
earnest blade
Definitely not
upper drift
Even he had a square geometry.
We need someone on the plumpy side, but not Gerard.
Funnily enough... in the usual games everyone except Mr. Owl amd Crow.. has a square face.
hollow comet
what's written on the top of the 10 cash note?
upper drift
Rusty Money
hollow comet
bottom is 'rusty money', top says what lmao
upper drift
It looks like a hybrid word.
It says Rusty Money supeeficially, but also looks like some other signature superposed on top of that word.
Like it has some letters of Rusty Money, but also has extra letters?🤔
earnest blade
The 10 cash says “Jisduj Pjkksdkj”... What is that?!?!
covert wyvern
Probably a signature as mentioned
willow hatch
𝑅𝓊𝓈𝓉𝓎 Ꭾጀፈፈყ
hollow comet
lmao
vague imp
its not Samuel nor any rl character..XD
it's an easter egg..
It's most likely a shoutout for Ron Burgundy, from well Anchorman: The Legend of Ron Burgundy)
upper drift
Wow!
Okaay...
That is cool.
But still does not explain the guy with an Albert Einstein hair and moustache.
vague imp
likely based off the american dollar
willow hatch
smort
vague imp
whom?
upper drift
Eh.. that guy ain't Benji Franklin XD
desert marten
technically harvey is a demigod, not a god
vague imp
Harvey is awesome
covert wyvern
i actually dont know to be fair
but I do know harveys older than any of the immortals we know?
spice frigate
but I do know harveys older than any of the immortals we know?
true
fervent blade
ahhh
or maybe hes just a being. a deity maybe. I think god/demigod is taking it a bit far. I like where youre going with it tho
wait, can birds switch genders to adapt to their enviroment? like frogs do?
willow hatch
Frogs do that?-
fervent blade
yep
willow hatch
Some parrots can also live up to 100 years
fervent blade
so that would expalin how harvey ||can lay an egg||
Some parrots can also live up to 100 years
@willow hatch ^^^^
covert wyvern
ye parrots grow old
fervent blade
harvey do be old tho
vague imp
Ye
willow hatch
Also noticed that harvey's only male appearance was in hotel
fervent blade
o h
spice frigate
do African greys have gender color variation, like other parrots do? (ex. parakeet, cockatiels)
willow hatch
Guess so
covert wyvern
sublte difference which we probably wont spot in the games ;p
spice frigate
but I actually wonder, how did Laura get Harvey in first place
covert wyvern
could be any number of things,
could even be a gift from bob
(we see harvey in the white door factory where bob works right)
spice frigate
could even be a gift from bob
dajasj I read that as "gift bomb"
covert wyvern
Hey harvey is a bomb gify.
willow hatch
Ah yes, just randomly drop harvey over laura's roof
covert wyvern
would love a parrot present.
spice frigate
perhaps Bob bought it, didn't knew what gender it was and just named it "Harvey"?
spice frigate
For example, my old friend's pet was named male name, until they discovered that the pet was actually female
and because of how it was used to the name, they had to keep it that way
vague imp
I dont think name will change somethin here
covert wyvern
I mean the most important role of harvey is being the messenger right
spice frigate
well, true
vague imp
Yep.
covert wyvern
whose to say harvey lays the eggs
they could just be made with some magic :))
or alchemy, I guess would be the correct term.
covert wyvern
I thinK!
vague imp
Maybe seeds have something magic in them and Harvey spawns a egg XDD
willow hatch
Not only can harvey lay eggs but ||can also ˢᵖᵃʷⁿ ᵉᵍᵍˢ ᵗʰᵃᵗ ᶜʳᵉᵃᵗᵉ ᵇˡᵃᶜᵏ ᶜᵘᵇᵉˢ||
vague imp
Magic!
covert wyvern
this^ tho.
and im pretty sure no known bird species lays black white speckled eggs ;p
desert marten
remind me not to eat canary grass lmao
hollow comet
Mrs Pigeon- ||Jakob's grandmother, Margaret Eilander||
Ms Pheasant- ||Jakob's sister, Elizabeth Eilander||
upper drift
Aah yes.
Ironically, the person who couldn’t see became the personification of Pride.
upper drift
Could you remind me again?
proper badger
pheasent was the blind sister. in rusty lake hotel she died from suicide because of either the blindness to see anything but her work or blind to see how useless her work is leading to a sad suicide
proper badger
yeah...
i thought each of them died like how they lived tho
the rabbit was the brother
he played tricks and died when harry tricked him
the boar was the uncle who is known to be fat and eat
he died from eating sandwhiches of his own waste so much that he didnt realise the trap we set up
willow hatch
gluttony.
proper badger
yeah
but these have a lot of holes in this
unless i spend hours cant flesh out theory and i think thats alright
north pasture
HEY SO IM REPLAYING HOTEL AND UH
this was in Mrs Pidgeons room
IS THAT A LIGHTING BOLT ON THE BRAIN
vague imp
Yep.
willow hatch
Yep
north pasture
IS THE BIG OL MACHINE THAT DALES HOOKED UP TO AN ELECTRIC CHAIR??????
polar warren
Poor little birb
north pasture
Oh wait DUH the bird ahHDJFJ
vague imp
||We zap him few times to get blackberries.||
polar warren
Ye, the machines are different and they inserted 3 cubes to make the golden cube
polar warren
Ye, twas interesting
I gotta replay hotel too
||Elizabeth didn't get eyesight as Ms pheasant right?||
vague imp
Idk
polar warren
I gotta check waht she said when the costume wasn't done
proper badger
only question is who is mr owl
willow hatch
Jakob?
proper badger
but the mom was wearing the owl mask
willow hatch
Caroline's soul and jakob merged together??¿?
vague imp
See that at ||end of paradise.||
willow hatch
Harvey is..... harvey
polar warren
Frik, I hate when new messages come and it doesn't automatically scroll down and I respond to older messages
proper badger
0-0
vague imp
Harvey is messager.
polar warren
Messenger *
proper badger
lol
willow hatch
Well, harvey appears as an achievement in paradise and that makes me lowkey intrigued
H o w i s h e a l i v e
polar warren
I mean... Idk he worked in the hotel ||you play as him||
vague imp
Harvey is some kind of magic
proper badger
but he is also the women's pet
vague imp
Laura you mean?
proper badger
yeah
willow hatch
That means he lived for like, more than a hundred years-
polar warren
I wonder what actually happened ||the corrupted souls came after him and he just turned into a bird? ||
vague imp
Harvey is simply messenger ig
willow hatch
Idk he just watched dale go up to the elevator
proper badger
but how is he a messenger
willow hatch
Rootz
proper badger
i dont remember harvey in roots
polar warren
Wait... Harvey in roots?
willow hatch
Yeah?
proper badger
where
vague imp
We see him at ||paradox on 2 chapters.||
proper badger
yeah
polar warren
I still haven't played Paradox ch 2
proper badger
but how come harvey has that human bod while the dog doesnt
polar warren
I know
proper badger
||yeah the dogs immortal but how come he doesnt have human bod like harvey||
vague imp
||Dog is not immortal.||
polar warren
Maybe he does but is too shy to show it
proper badger
he is tho
polar warren
I mean... He did drink the elixir
vague imp
Potion dont gives you immortal
willow hatch
I don't think he has an important role besides shatting out an extract of the elixir
proper badger
uhm
willow hatch
The immortality wears off
polar warren
I mean... He had drank the elixir by the time cave came arroubd so he has some in him but the effects of the elixir vary for everyone right?
I mean. We don't know much about the effects on animals
proper badger
i mean one gives ||death|| while the other ||life||, i dont think it matters about what species you are
proper badger
perhaps
polar warren
Yeah, I mean. Seemingly nothing happens to the dog ||other than he doesn't appear to age||
proper badger
i mean rusty lake has a lot of Hinduism themes with the reincarnation
proper badger
og test subject was the brothers
proper badger
one became ||mr.crow|| the other reincarnated into ||laura||
willow hatch
Seems legit
vague imp
I would test it on some random people LMAO
polar warren
Wasn't the dog James's?
proper badger
yeah
vague imp
Ye ye
polar warren
Then James must have been the first to test it on that dog
proper badger
i thought the point was the dog drank it and became immortal, but james drank it and died
proper badger
yep
vague imp
XDDD
covert wyvern
or ascend* or w/e
proper badger
pretty much
vague imp
What a nice guy
vague imp
Other die.
polar warren
So I guess it's safe to say the dog wasn't the first to drink the Vanderbooms version of 
polar warren
Also, does Dale die when he drinks
Seems like it right? He meets laura
covert wyvern
yep
vague imp
Ye ye
covert wyvern
I have no clue how that impacts the story
vague imp
We see this ||in paradox||
covert wyvern
and if that's just a "memory" of him that dies
polar warren
Idk just a little detail I wanted to make sure
proper badger
ok what does the blue, green and red vial do
polar warren
Red: you cough up a key
Green: likely the elixir
Blue: I really gotta play chapter 2
vague imp
You just have some vision after green?
covert wyvern
Paradox plays out in dales mind.
No.
I refuse to believe Dale comitted a murder.
vague imp
Dale didnt killled her
covert wyvern
What if dale drinking the elixir and dying
means dale dies
in his head
because he drank the elixir irl
and became mr deer.
or w/e
polar warren
Yeah, Dale isn't a guy who would kill
(even though this is just my oppinion 😅)
proper badger
what if albert, dale, and the eilander father were all the same spirit
reincarnating
vague imp
Hmmm
covert wyvern
could be.
vague imp
This is some cool theory
polar warren
Imma tune off this channel now. Have a fun flight of thought
vague imp
I love to see people at this chanell
proper badger
this makes sense tho, before albert is born you see the events of rusty lake hotel where deer dies
deer couldve reincarnated to albert
mellow cosmos
my curiosity is what is the exact relationship between the eilanders and the hotel guests
a lot of people seem to view it like the eilanders were enlightened to immortality and just went on until they were the guests, but the personalities and even ages seem different
so did they just become different people basically, like the jakob/caroline fusion became mr owl? is a person's soul just waiting to become a hybrid "asura" type figure with an animal element and you're no longer the human person exactly?
proper badger
we know that one of the eilander is mr rabbit
from paradox chpt 2, dale calls a magician called david eilander
mellow cosmos
yeah i definitely think they're all the same like soul wise
but personality it's like they enlightened, became these bougie animal people with jobs, and then did what with their enlightenment exactly
proper badger
wait a min
mellow cosmos
ms pigeon and mr deer were doing research, mr deer specifically on the lake, wouldn't he have more knowledge of the lake if he were still just nicholas eilander og flavor?
proper badger
i just found a plothole in the series or something different
hollow comet
wouldn't he have more knowledge of the lake if he were still just nicholas eilander og flavor?
This is something that has bugged me
mellow cosmos
but ms pheasant seems like a weird thing for elizabeth to like evolve into, and why would gerard og flavor become an ambassador?
proper badger
james from roots saw the rusty lake hotel participants in 1870
in rusty lake hotel the events of the murder happen in 1893
mellow cosmos
elizabeth has sight now, so she becomes a victorian version insta thot?
it makes more sense if they're reincarnated but there's not really time.
i guess there's time if they didn't. do much with their enlightenment. they got it and then kicked the bucket soon anyway but some aspects of the enlightenment are permanent?
maybe hotel is round two of family revenge fun hour
hollow comet
elizabeth has sight now, so she becomes a victorian version insta thot?
I love this
covert wyvern
do please keep it civil.
mellow cosmos
sorry sorry, i don't mean it maliciously, just irreverently
she is painted (no pun intended) in a pretty unflattering light like all the guests when she was the most sympathetic (arguably) of the eilanders
while weirdly david is the least outwardly morally questionable (with what we get to go on in hotel anyway) of the guests
it's weird, right? we're missing some steps
proper badger
it looks like rusty lake hotel has a party every year or so from 1870 to 1893
hollow comet
didn't they stay in for like only a week?
proper badger
1893 being the last party
yes
but
in roots james saw them having a party in 1870
events of rusty lake hotel happens in 1893
mellow cosmos
so maybe they are reincarnations and he just keeps gathering and killing them (though that won't work for every year for time reasons, guess there's also just some 'feed the lake' maintenance work) BUT
do they just escape every time then? mr owl you need some better infrastructure
proper badger
maybe he just didnt decide to kill them til 1893
mellow cosmos
yeah, i can't remember anything to indicate they think it's their first time on the island or at the hotel
so he just has a bunch of family reunions culminating in the best murder mystery game in history
it just niggles at me there's a whole history of these characters, some of them becoming occultist researchers in their own right, developing neuroses and addictions
proper badger
yeah the events of rusty lake hotel happened between when albert threw frank in the well and when the wedding happened
mellow cosmos
enlightenment really seems like a mixed bag. did it wipe their knowledge of their origins? mr crow doesn't seem to have that problem, he takes the tree seed to a relative straight away
proper badger
idk :/
mellow cosmos
i'd argue the ritual's enlightenment must be partial/incomplete
maybe not for mr owl, maybe having both eilander souls made a difference, but everyone else seems to have the free to play version
proper badger
wdym free to play version
mellow cosmos
it's not as good, some options/knowledge is "locked"
again interesting ms pigeon becomes one of the standout knowledge seekers while david and elizabeth seem like they're just having a good time with it
doylian perspective is it's a game and it's all metaphorical/aesthetic anyway so don't look to hard at it but that doesn't mean we can't come up with watsonian explanations that just exist in the gaps left by games
upper drift
Btw.. no-one seems to notice Mr. Rabbit in this entire discussion.
proper badger
mr.rabbit is def an eilander
hollow comet
He is
upper drift
Well... maybe. But then why was he so markedly different from the rest?
hollow comet
I'm not sure if there's any uncertainty
On the phone book it's written D. Eilander and when you phone him, Mr Rabbit shows up
Mr Rabbit is David Eilander
proper badger
yeah
but why did he kill his parents
and if it was for the gun in the box
then was it a coincidence for him to be called and want something from them
upper drift
Well... Mr. Rabbit struck a different chord without doubt.
proper badger
yeah
upper drift
Why do you think Aldous had to be present in Dale's memory.
hollow comet
Someone said that he might have escaped Mr Owl's captivity or discovered some secret to afterlife (?), which is why he looks so different from the other Eilander souls and kills Dale's parents to 'claim his substance' @proper badger
upper drift
Not just this mate...
Even before his very death, there was a darker, corrupted version of him outside the window.
Uhh lemme check again..
I had sent this here....
proper badger
so just him but covered in the black butterflies
hollow comet
@proper badger as for the gun, it might not have been there, since Birthday was an altered memory
but I'm not too sure about that
upper drift
Not getting it ;(
but I'm not too sure about that
Quite right. I'm pretty sure Mr. Owl curated that entire scene with certain tweaks.
proper badger
i mean
pretty sure he didnt make a time machine
but still very possible parents were killed
hollow comet
his parents were killed
hollow comet
which is why there is a black cube at the start of Birthday that changed to a white cube at the end
it's the past being changed through memories
hollow comet
Someone said that he might have escaped Mr Owl's captivity or discovered some secret to afterlife (?), which is why he looks so different from the other Eilander souls and kills Dale's parents to 'claim his substance'
dale is to be the Lake's ruler after Mr Owl, maybe that's got something to do with it?
vague imp
why would you kill a child i think that would be too dark even for Rusty Lake.
proper badger
i mean killing a child is wrong
but lore wise
i think rabit could easily kill a child
i mean ive seen kids cartoons where the children die too
vague imp
yeah i mean children die in movies but that's getting off topic, anyways idk maybe Mr.Rabbit just didn't want do kill Dale since he [Dale] has a bigger role to play
proper badger
yeah
we dont quiet know if mr rabbit incident happened in real life or just in his memories as well
spice frigate
by "in real life or in his memories" you mean when ||He rewinded time to "save" his family?||
proper badger
no i mean how after birthday it shows dale in the elevator again
so it was part of his trip in his memory
hollow comet
why would you kill a child i think that would be too dark even for Rusty Lake.
Not exactly 'killing', but children go through gruesome things in Roots
vague imp
I just hope they don't pull off a "it was all dream" "it never really happened"
those are so lame as plot twists
bonus:It was all in the characters head and they are in a mental ward
upper drift
I just hope they don't pull off a "it was all dream" "it never really happened"
Oof
hollow comet
Who is Harvey?
@sharp summit Mr Owl's assistant and Laura's pet parrot
covert wyvern
Aren't they called messenger of the lake*
vague imp
They are
mellow cosmos
i think you see the white rabbit outside mr rabbit's room in hotel bc he's doing some time hopping stuff gathering substance of his past lives, he definitely seems to be undertaking his own wheel process somehow
but i think it has to be ultimately orchestrated by mr owl even if mr rabbit thinks he's doing it on his own terms, bc killing dale's parents is necessary to make him into who he is as an adult
i do want to know more about any connection between dale's family/origin and mr owl. why do his parents have the gun (and why is that a past life substance?)
mellow cosmos
i think it's gonna come out that dale has more connection to the lake than it seems so far, maybe a tie in to ida reiziger is my crackpot theory
upper drift
It isn't a plant.
i think it's gonna come out that dale has more connection to the lake than it seems so far, maybe a tie in to ida reiziger is my crackpot theory
Ida..??
mellow cosmos
the book in cave calls dale 'the traveler' and despite his name being 'from the lake' ida's maiden name is traveler
upper drift
Interesting..
True.
As I said before. I feel like our next game will be from Mr. Owl's perspective for the first time.
hollow comet
About Ida's name being 'the traveller', I think it's to do with the fact that she's probably Romani
upper drift
O
mellow cosmos
i did consider that, but honestly why not both?
mellow cosmos
picking up on the naming theme really set me on the path to being obsessed w this series
poor bob, everyone gets cool place-names, he's got 'hill'
so maybe white mr rabbit turns up in hotel during an aborted attempt to gnab the gun during the ms pheasant sequence
hollow comet
Bob is like the humans in lotr
He's got no direct link with the Lake
His destiny is not bound to it
mellow cosmos
that should be going better for him than it has so far
hollow comet
he did write a book
Probably he went on to live a happy life after being released from the white door
mellow cosmos
good, i hope he gets all the donuts he can hold
hollow comet
wholesome
upper drift
Lmao
peak solar
I still think it's odd how Frank and Rose have a distinctive birth but Leonard just randomly appears as a young child for the wedding photo.
||and he is also the only one left when Mary is suddenly killed||
upper drift
True.
||Albert||(open the tags if you are done with Roots) killed them didn't ||he||?
proper badger
yeah he did
or at least highly implied
Albert represented everything evil
Samuel represented the inbetween or humanity
Emma represented everything holy
which is why ||albert's child is born in a lab with his brothers wife's genes, Samuel had a child with his regular wife, and Emma was given one from holy properties||
upper drift
Hmmmm
burnt viper
How do you hide images and text?
spice frigate
as for images, on PC you have a check box
as for Phone, there is no way, you'd have to rename the file, just to add _SPOILER
burnt viper
Thank you
vague imp
there actually is a way to do it on phone also
you just do the spoiler marking but with your phones keyboard :o
spice frigate
huh, really?
vague imp
yeah
sterile willow
Wait, did Dale actually kill Laura, or am I looking at it wrong?
vague imp
A plot twist of Dale being the bad guy would be interesting actually he is called infamous by the devs after all
vague imp
dfjbkfdj oh boy well i suggest not reading below then fmbkdf
Spoiler alert you look you do it at your own cause:
sterile willow
That's fine I only have 2 or three left to play
vague imp
||So what if Dale is delusional lowkey, from childhood trauma [after he saw his family die] and he grew with distant family/in a orphanage, im getting vibes of the story going that way, everything seems so surreal and as if his imagination is acting up [considering what we saw in Cube Escape:Paradox, Dale suffer from:anxiety, depression, alcohol abuse, claustrophobia (fear of confined spaces), and ichthyophobia (fear of fish). He suffers from youth trauma, substantial fears, anxieties, and a sense of loss so we can assume he could easily disassociate and get lost in his delusions. [continued below]||
||Also he is [obviously] loosing his sight of reality in this murder case, so while i normally hate the twist of "it was all in the persons head." realistically it's going that way, Dale is a troubled man i wouldn't be amazed if Mr.Crow is just really just a normal man but he sees people as "animal people"due to his mind just projecting that onto people depending on their personality.||
sterile willow
Wow
vague imp
Of course i don't have any proof of it being true but i could re-play all the games and try seeing all the "out of reality" scenes in the games and make it in a big investigation lmao
idk if the mods will allow me do post it tho.
sterile willow
When you think about (realistically) it, it's kinda of crazy