🤔｜theories

[covert wyvern]

Cooperation

[upper drift]

Dude...
There's something above Mr. Owl as well I believe

[vague imp]

There must be

[upper drift]

Wow that sucks though

[covert wyvern]

You could also argue the lake is controlling everyone who gets into contact with it

But I feel Mr owl made Dale willingly accept his role as successor of the lake

All be it

After ruining his entire life.

LMAO

[upper drift]

So then my theory could be wrong?

Coz I still believe that the CS' are gonna conduct an uprising

And probably Mr. Owl can interact with them as a Fish?

In some way?

[covert wyvern]

I don't think souls Would rise up against the lake

[upper drift]

But this means Dale will face the arse end of that revolt

[vague imp]

Ye

[upper drift]

Og

Oh

Then why is Dale so worthy?

Of ascension?

I mean...

Why now?

[covert wyvern]

I have no clue.

I assume he was "chosen" by either one of the immortals

Or the lake

[upper drift]

Or "Achievement unlocked: The Wanderer"😂

[vague imp]

XDDD

[upper drift]

And one more thing

Who da heck is gonna yeet Dale into the list of half dead people?

[polar warren]

I assume he was "chosen" by either one of the immortals
Well yeah, you do hear Mr owl speak of him as "the one"

[covert wyvern]

Right.

[upper drift]

Yes

[covert wyvern]

but who decided he was "the one" mr owl? Crow? the lake?

Rusty?

get it, bc rusty lake, ahha.

[upper drift]

Crow? No way

Lol

He's powerless

He is in the bottom most part of the list

[polar warren]

Time to dive deep into my screen shots and look at the screen shots I toon in thr mill

[upper drift]

Who da heck is gonna yeet Dale into the list of half dead people?
And this??

Time to dive deep into my screen shots and look at the screen shots I toon in thr mill
@polar warren yep.. he did all the dirty work in the Mill

Speaking of which, imma play that

*replay

[polar warren]

And yeah, seems like Mr owl was the one who decided he's the one

[covert wyvern]

Maybe they just really wanted a detective.

[upper drift]

Oh Dale

[covert wyvern]

:))

[upper drift]

Lol

Then again... we need RL to release the next part in the game

Coz atm we are dealing with speculations

Major ones

And assumptions

[covert wyvern]

of course.

and the next game will only bring more questions to the table

😄

[upper drift]

Lol yes

But wait a sec

When did Dale find the two cubes?

Ohhh Case 23?

The TV?

[peak solar]

They posted on their blog a while ago.

[covert wyvern]

This misses cave, paradox and the white door tho D!

D;

This is a nice graph tjo

[vague imp]

This miss a lot of games

[covert wyvern]

It's an old grpah

I've aeen it before

Overall it's helpful tho.

[vague imp]

Indeed.

I very like that graph

[peak solar]

Fans have made new ones

[vague imp]

Rlly?

[peak solar]

Yes. They added onto this. But as the game puts an emphasis on case 23, I like keeping this version around.

[covert wyvern]

If you find an updated one mind sharing? I'm rather curious

[vague imp]

Same

Im very curious how it looks

[peak solar]

Here's one

[covert wyvern]

Nice

[vague imp]

That looks awesome!

I like that map

[peak solar]

Same 😅

[vague imp]

Tbh i didnt known that cave was at winter

[peak solar]

Yeah, I missed the intro at first too.

[wise flower]

I deleted all the games off my phone

[covert wyvern]

Alright, that happens! But that's not relevant to theories at all.

Unless your phone contains some hidden pieces ofnlore

[wise flower]

I was really close to the end

[peak solar]

I don't know if you have apple or Android but you can go to My apps and Library to see your downloads on Android. Also I think settings on Apple has previous purchases.

[tulip verge]

Question for the group... I've been wondering if Mr Owl knows that Laura has William's soul. I kind of get the impression Mr Crow was keeping that a secret, which makes me wonder if that's the reason he is examining Bob's memories in The White Door. Maybe he's trying to discover more about who Laura really is since by that time she was already dead/corrupted. Any thoughts?

[upper drift]

Actually......

You may be sort of right.....

Holy cow you may be into something here!!!

Lemme think on this.

[tulip verge]

I've been trying to look at the overall story as a whole for a video I'm working on and I keep coming back to that scenario

[upper drift]

Mmm

[peak solar]

We still don't know how Mr. Crow and Mr. Owl met.

[tulip verge]

That's true also

[upper drift]

Yesh

[covert wyvern]

Not sure about that but I'm in agreement when it comes to Mr owl examing bob to extract more memories about Laura

[peak solar]

Well, the Alchemist Brothers (now Mr. Crow and Laura) found the Eliander lab and I don't know how James' Elixir dog ends up in the cave with Mr. Owl before Mr. Crow arrives.

[upper drift]

Hmmm

Where did we last see the dog before Cave and after 1st episode of Roots?

We never did, did we?

[peak solar]

Nope.

[upper drift]

Damn

[peak solar]

Yeah

[upper drift]

Another q left unanswered

Maybe

It followed Aldous

After all even he's a Vanderboom

[peak solar]

Also that black cat from birthday and dales office.

[upper drift]

Ohhh that is a mystery

It did not even have the elixir

[peak solar]

But related to Mr crow

At least, dales grandpa looks like Mr crow and you feed the cat the baby crow.

[hollow comet]

they might not even be the same cat

[vague imp]

Ye

[upper drift]

Maybe

[hollow comet]

the one in the office is floofier

[vague imp]

That is what i wanted to say

[upper drift]

Yes

That's there

[peak solar]

Maybe

It could be like the Mr. Rabbits

Two black cats are still suspicious

[upper drift]

Mr. Rabbit was atmost a hybrid

[peak solar]

To be fair, Laura's hair changed too.

[upper drift]

But the subreddit changed my perspective

A lot

Which I had posted

[hollow comet]

why does discord do this

[vague imp]

Idk

[upper drift]

Wut

That was a code

[hollow comet]

it's a file not an image darn it

[upper drift]

Access denied or smth

[peak solar]

I have so many strange discoveries

No one to share them with or maybe I'm crazy

[vague imp]

Lmao

[upper drift]

If the reddit post is true

[hollow comet]

floofy chonker that one

[peak solar]

Aww

[upper drift]

Then it debunks the concept of "in the mind"

Cutezsy cat

[peak solar]

What reddit post

[upper drift]

I've posted it above

It's a mindblowing theory

[vague imp]

Btw that cat in case 23 had somethin with eyes while tapping it

[upper drift]

Atleast I feel so

No

That's just pupils dilating

Because it wanted food. Prob

Cats do that

Part of why I dislike cats a bit

[vague imp]

Same

[upper drift]

https://www.reddit.com/r/rustylake/comments/9n380b/mr_rabbit_explained/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

@vague imp
Pssst... Laura shouldn't get to know this😂

@peak solar look at that link

[vague imp]

XDDDD

[upper drift]

I only like cats with their eyes closed

[vague imp]

Lmao

[upper drift]

And most of the time Laura's cat has her eyes closed

[vague imp]

Better comeback to topic of chanell lmao

[upper drift]

Yeah let him read through

[vague imp]

Ok ok

[peak solar]

Interesting

[vague imp]

Indeed

[peak solar]

Pre-white door.

I think the original post was before paradox.

[vague imp]

I think yes

Cause there is rabbit in paradox too

[peak solar]

Well

Okay

[upper drift]

Uhh, can someone remind me what happened when the Vanderbooms played the truth and lie card game?

After the game?

[polar warren]

Nothing? Idk I can't remember either

[upper drift]

But then I remember seeing Mr. Crow outside.. that was it?

[polar warren]

Idk gotta replay ig

[upper drift]

Anyways.. I stick to the reddit theory

Coz it's rock solid till wherever he/ she has theorised.

[polar warren]

I replayed it ||ye, Mr crow appeared and gave albert the deer mask||

[upper drift]

Ohh

Which he then used to kill the Vanderbooms during the orchestra, yes?

[polar warren]

Well he wore it for sure ||when he killed ida and samuel||

[upper drift]

Ah yes

[upper drift]

By the way... does anyone realise that we keep talking about Aldous, yet we forgot his wife!?

How did his wife survive for so long?

Don't tell me she got lucky when she drank the elixir (IF she drank the elixir)

[polar warren]

that warm milk has magic powers

[upper drift]

😳

Oof

[weak patrol]

i guess he remarried?

or maybe his wife is someone from hotel

[polar warren]

Now I imagine the wife being || chef toad from hotel even though in the mill Aldous was the one doing all the cooking||

[hollow comet]

👀

[weak patrol]

I mean we know ||where Mr. Bat is at|| so that leaves ||Mr. Toad||

I guess they can genderbend for example ||Harvey||

[topaz pawn]

yeah

[upper drift]

So what is the River referring to in RL Mill

What river is this?

[vague imp]

River is river

[upper drift]

Uhmmm

Just a river?

No significance as such?

[vague imp]

I dont think so

[upper drift]

Hmmm

[vague imp]

Maybe they just wanted to fill that place on map with random river

[upper drift]

And in Mill his wife died, yes?

[vague imp]

Lmao

[hollow comet]

"what river!?"
"RIVER IS RIVER"

[upper drift]

Maybe they just wanted to fill that place on map with random river
Lol

And in Mill his wife died, yes?
Like... no complications in this.. she just died, correct?

Or rather killed (by Laura's CS ofc)

[fickle cedar]

I think the river's probably just like an offshoot of the Lake, like where it narrows

[vague imp]

Can be

Who knows

[polar warren]

Doesn't the river flow into the lake?

||since in the mill you put cubes into the machine and the memory filled water flows into the lake||

No wait... It doesn't flow into the lake

[vague imp]

Ye ye

[polar warren]

It's not even attached to it by what it seems like... The pump in the mill just takes water from the river

[upper drift]

Hmm

The mill is indeed between the river and lake

So.. the Mill gathers water from the river, Aldous V puts the cubes and then it gets drained into the Lake

Well... why not just yeet it into the lake😂

You obviously shud have a good view of both the river and the Lake

[hollow comet]

It's more like an offering, the Lake is sort of a deity as people previously said

you wouldn't just throw an offering in, would you?

[upper drift]

Oof

True

[polar warren]

So.. the Mill gathers water from the Lake, Aldous V puts the cubes and then it gets drained into the Lake
By the looks of it, the mill gathers water from the RIVER (or maybe if the water level in the lake is too high it could be the opposite

[upper drift]

Sorry sorry

My bad

I meant river

Mistype

[peak solar]

Hi. Just a basic question. why did the woman die?

[hollow comet]

she killed herself

all clues point to mental illness

[vague imp]

Like depression

[covert wyvern]

Or a second soul in her body

[vague imp]

That is also a thing

[upper drift]

Or a second soul in her body
Ehh

[hollow comet]

no.

[upper drift]

Ikr

I disagree with soul as well

Although it's not impossible...

Mental illness be better explanation

Basically and worked so much.. that she 😵

[vague imp]

True true

[polar warren]

But hey, that's just a theory...

[vague imp]

Sure

That is point of this chanell

[polar warren]

I probably shouldn't make references around you two...

[covert wyvern]

a cube theory

[polar warren]

Thanks for reading

[spice frigate]

I knew the reference, but I sort of chuckled on how it got woooosh

[peak solar]

If it was suicide, it was convenient timing.

[weak ivy]

I have a theory that the majority of the games take place inside of Robert hills Brian. And that the reality we see is the reality that’s inside his brain and his struggle with the loss of someone he loves.

[covert wyvern]

Interesting take.

I'm however convinced Hill is a pretty minor character lol

I know he's the protagonist in the white door

But only bc of Laura

[peak solar]

Isn't it strange how every single game has a TV/monitor frame except for the white door ||until we are Sarah going through Hills memories||

[vague imp]

Not every game

||Lake didnt had TV||

XDDDDDD

[peak solar]

The game?

[vague imp]

||Cube escape lake.||

[peak solar]

It does too.

||Along with hotel, paradise, and paradox||

[polar warren]

Huh I don't remember there being a monitor ||lake||

[vague imp]

Same

[stark quail]

corupted soul is the famous one

and always appear in every single game

[vague imp]

That is why i said ||lake|| dont have it

[polar warren]

And I also don't remember one in ||paradise|| they didn't even have technology

[vague imp]

||Hotel|| didnt had tv and monitor too

[stark quail]

also ||the roots||

[polar warren]

Mhm

corupted soul is the famous one
But if I remember correctly some sort of corruption does appear in every game

[stark quail]

yeah

[upper drift]

Yes

[stark quail]

the alternative is about 5 corrupted animals

[polar warren]

Or ||a half corrupted body||

[stark quail]

like dale?

[vague imp]

In ||paradox chapter 2||

[polar warren]

Oh I was talking about ||cube escape: the lake||

[stark quail]

you mean ||the body|| while fishing in ||the lake||?

[vague imp]

Spilling the tea:
The lake is just the RL version of the moonpool from Warrior Cats

[spice frigate]

I read "moonpool" as "monopoly" and got confused for second

[upper drift]

Same

I actually thought it was a spelling error

[polar warren]

Rusty lake uses monopoly money CONFIRMED

[hollow comet]

Mr Owl's beam is get out of jail free card

[upper drift]

Hmmmm......

More like Go To Jail card XD

Y’know... Paradox

[peak solar]

I meant the overall screen

When you play, the game has a frame

It doesn't go from corner to corner of your phone/computer screen

It fades in like a TV or ||when Sarah was looking at hill's memories||

[weak ivy]

@covert wyvern Hill does show up in other games as the main protagonist. But I’m really convinced this is all look into his psyche because the corrupted soul plays such a big part I believe that it is the dark side of Hill’s mental state and he is always in battle with it

[covert wyvern]

Do give me a list of all games in which hill is protagonist.

I don't think hills relevant at all, personally. The only relevance he has to the story is the fact that he's Laura's ex lover.

[peak solar]

I don't know how he isn't relavent after the white door.

[vague imp]

I remember Hill showing in paradox on books lmao

[peak solar]

||kind of interesting how both Hill and van Gough shot themselves and we went in their ears?||

[silk gust]

Maybe theres a hidden parallel in that?

[covert wyvern]

How he's not relevant?

[weak ivy]

I remember in one of the cube escape series as the detective. He might of not been named Hill but I believe he was. Also I think a lot of the time in the games you’re playing as Hill. One I like to think that is the case is the Hotel

[covert wyvern]

His soul is no longer corrupt ;p

[silk gust]

The one you're talking about is case 23

[peak solar]

So is Laura's

[covert wyvern]

The hotel takes place decades before hill is even born

[peak solar]

First game

[silk gust]

And yes I believe you are hill in case 23

But

[covert wyvern]

Good point! Ahaha.

[peak solar]

Lol

[covert wyvern]

Case 23? You're obviously dale right?

[silk gust]

Ahhh

I confuse them all the timeee

Thanks for the correction.

[peak solar]

Yes. That's for sure I the timeline

[covert wyvern]

Anyway I'm saying right now hill doesn't seem to be relevant, sure he plays a part in thw Story!

[weak ivy]

Damn. That’s my bad. Because the character art looks very similar

[covert wyvern]

But it's not major.

As mentioned earlier here!

[peak solar]

So I played seasons again

[covert wyvern]

;*

Hill could be more connected

[vague imp]

Sure.

[silk gust]

Seasons has to be my favorite cube escape tbh

[covert wyvern]

But we'll have to wait and see wat RL / second maze come up with

[peak solar]

||You know how there's the corrupt spirit outside her window? At the end we are outside her window.. ||

[covert wyvern]

Honestly most cube escape games fall in comparison to the newer ones

[weak ivy]

True. And Hotel is my favorite out of all of them

[covert wyvern]

I'm excited for the remasters

[vague imp]

Same same

[silk gust]

There's remasters???

[vague imp]

And i know there will be flood on help chanells lmao

[silk gust]

How exciting!

[weak ivy]

But no I’m still convinced this is all in Hill’s mind. Even in the stories that take place in the past

[vague imp]

Cool theory!

[peak solar]

I also looked at the master timeline and there's possible events that werent listed like when some people were born

[silk gust]

That would be interesting. Are you talking about all the cube escape series or selective games?

[weak ivy]

What really seal the deal was the manager in the white door he makes so many appearances in the games suggestion that Hill’s subconscious is placing him there. That’s my thoughts on it

[peak solar]

I was looking at when people were born and died. Especially how. ||things like Mary mysteriously died... ||

[weak ivy]

@silk gust was that a question for me

[silk gust]

Yes

Yes it was

[covert wyvern]

I think it's an interesting take.

[vague imp]

Ye ye

It is a cool theory

[silk gust]

Definitely.

[covert wyvern]

But I feel TWD is additional "lore" for the RL world

Not the other way around

[weak ivy]

Yea not in all the games but a select few where they just seem so weird. Like the box and ones that can make a direct reference to hill and Sarah

That could be the case

@covert wyvern

[silk gust]

So the ones that mention their relationship?

[covert wyvern]

Sarah only pops up in twd, right?

[vague imp]

Right , Damy.

[covert wyvern]

Harvey belongs to Laura, as we know

[vague imp]

Yep

[silk gust]

Yes

[peak solar]

When we look at objects, the only way we would know or recognize them is if we played all of those games, with a monitor frame.

[covert wyvern]

Although I actually think harvey is it's own entity

And doesn't belong to anyone.

[vague imp]

Okay?

That is some thing

[silk gust]

Like a... ghost?

Spooky!

[vague imp]

XXDDDD

[weak ivy]

It’s been so long since I played the cube escape series who is Harvey. Is he the bird

[silk gust]

Yes

[peak solar]

In Harvey's Box he says something like "Where am I? I need to get out of here."

[silk gust]

Parrot

Well taco that's the case for most cube escapes

[weak ivy]

Yea no I think that could go back to when Hill got fired

[silk gust]

"I need to get out"

Recurring theme

[vague imp]

You can see harvey ||in globe in bday with special code.||

[covert wyvern]

Harveys also

Incredibly ancient.

And dubbed "messenger of the lake"

[silk gust]

Immortal?

[covert wyvern]

Likely.

[peak solar]

That was after ||he went down pomegranate stairs into the box again||

[vague imp]

Yep

[silk gust]

Well

Harvey is also in paradox

[weak ivy]

Give me a few hours maybe a day or so I’ll have like a whole diagram and stuff of how I think everything is connected

[silk gust]

Bruhh

[covert wyvern]

Gladly.

[peak solar]

Lol

[silk gust]

Yes

[covert wyvern]

Looking forward to it ;p

[silk gust]

Ik

Big mistake

[vague imp]

Oh okay XDDDDDDDD

[silk gust]

That was funny

[vague imp]

My apologise

[silk gust]

I'm out there today

Somethins wrong

[peak solar]

The app miMind is amazing

[weak ivy]

This means a lot of replaying the games and looking for hidden secrets but I’ll try my best

[peak solar]

For that stuff.

Mind maps.

[weak ivy]

Nice I’ll check it out

[silk gust]

Replaying all the games takes some time

[weak ivy]

So I found these games when I was like 15 or so. And I’m 21 now so yea

[silk gust]

Wow

[covert wyvern]

A mood.

LMAO

[vague imp]

Cool.

[silk gust]

Quite so

[vague imp]

First my game was bday

[peak solar]

I found them when paradise came out

[silk gust]

SAME @vague imp

[weak ivy]

Yea and every other year or so I’ll go back and replay the series

[covert wyvern]

My first game was the original samsara ;)

[silk gust]

It creeped me outtt

[vague imp]

Ohhh cool

[covert wyvern]

But that's not relevant to this channel.

[vague imp]

Ye ye

[silk gust]

Ye ye

Back to topic

[covert wyvern]

Sadly there is no theorising in when we started playing!

[silk gust]

Sadly :(

[weak ivy]

I went through an escape room era in my life and I was on armor games and I played one of the cube escape games and I was hooked from there

True

[vague imp]

I love to see pings on that chanell lmao

I love all theories of RL games.

[peak solar]

I'm glad I played I order.

Now I think of playing paradise first...

[silk gust]

In order of the timeline?

[vague imp]

I mean you can play out of order too. You will still get whole lore.

[peak solar]

Yeah. Each game helps put the puzzle together by going in order.

[weak ivy]

True but playing in order is like amazing

[vague imp]

Yep

[silk gust]

Agreed

[peak solar]

Paradise would still be cool. But more of a "what is this?"

On its own.

[silk gust]

It's like watching a tv show out of order

More enjoyable in sequence

[peak solar]

I'm still interested how it is the 10plauges from the Bible.

[weak ivy]

Huh I’ve never heard that one

[silk gust]

Religion plays a small but important role

[peak solar]

Yeah.

[silk gust]

You could relate jt

But

I dont think they really mean to throw too much religion in there

[weak ivy]

I figured but never thought they could be symbols of the 10 plagues

[silk gust]

That's what I thought they meant

Idk

I know the bible quite well ig thatswhy

[peak solar]

God sent the 10 plagues on Egypt when the Pharaoh betrayed him

[silk gust]

But how could that relate to RL

Someone betrayed god?

[weak ivy]

They all betrayed god in the search for immortality

[silk gust]

Ooh, well said

[weak ivy]

Which one was that. Because I remember one of them was about the elixir

[peak solar]

||I'm not sure how much you guys looked into Buddhists view on samsara.||

[silk gust]

I have not.

[peak solar]

Ohh

Mind blowing

[weak ivy]

Me either

[vague imp]

||Mother of Jacob was first searcher of elixir.||

[silk gust]

Could you sum it up for us?

[weak ivy]

Also is @vague imp helperbot a bot or real

[silk gust]

Real

He is real

I think

Lol

[vague imp]

XDDDDDD

[weak ivy]

He’s real

[vague imp]

This is off topic

[weak ivy]

Sorry

[vague imp]

Stick to the topic of chanell

Np

[silk gust]

@peak solar where can I find more info on this "Buddhist review"?

[peak solar]

||Saṃsāra is a Sanskrit word that means "wandering" or "world", with the connotation of cyclic, circuitous change.[1][2] It is also the concept of rebirth and "cyclicality of all life, matter, existence", a fundamental belief of most Indian religions.[3][4] In short, it is the cycle of death and rebirth.[2][5] Saṃsāra is sometimes referred to with terms or phrases such as transmigration, karmic cycle, reincarnation, and "cycle of aimless drifting, wandering or mundane existence".[2][6]||

[silk gust]

So

This implies that samara is based around a cycle?

[vague imp]

Yep

It is circle of life

[silk gust]

Makes sense

[peak solar]

||In early Buddhist traditions, Saṃsāra cosmology consisted of five realms through which wheel of existence recycled.[116] This included hells (niraya), hungry ghosts (pretas), animals (tiryak), humans (manushya), and gods (devas, heavenly).[116][123][125] In latter traditions, this list grew to a list of six realms of rebirth, adding demi-gods (asuras).[116][126] The "hungry ghost, heavenly, hellish realms" respectively formulate the ritual, literary and moral spheres of many contemporary Buddhist traditions||

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saṃsāra

Basic.

[silk gust]

So the Buddhist religion plays a role in cube escape?

[peak solar]

||the cycle is in theater||

[silk gust]

AH

[weak ivy]

So basically the RL world is on time loop that just repeats

[silk gust]

I hadn't thought of that!

Taco!

[peak solar]

||Buddhist use sanskrit ||

[silk gust]

That really puts some things togethet!

[peak solar]

Yeaaaa

[weak ivy]

No it really does

[peak solar]

||that's why I'm looking that births and deaths||

[vague imp]

Btw we play ||William Vanderboom|| in samsara room , right?

[silk gust]

So can we suppose the vanderbooms are buddists?

[peak solar]

||that's also why the shrimp could be a character. ||

[silk gust]

[weak ivy]

The shrimp is a character

[peak solar]

||no idea. Again. Then there's God? ||

[weak ivy]

It has to be

[silk gust]

The shrimp

The next cube escape is gonna be like

[peak solar]

The articles are good.

[silk gust]

"Cube escape: aquarium:

[peak solar]

Lol

[vague imp]

Lmao

[silk gust]

"Cube escape: marinara"

[weak ivy]

RL has weird relationship with religion. I think it uses a mix of abrahamic and Buddhist religion to add details

[silk gust]

So the shrimp is a Buddhist?

[weak ivy]

Not just Buddhist but Buddha

[silk gust]

Oml

The holy shrimp

All praise

But serioisly

What role would the shrimp play?

As a character

[vague imp]

They are some characters i guess

[silk gust]

If you look in banner submissions, CrimsOwl told me to do a shrimp banner. It looks awfully terrible.

[peak solar]

Here's something I found a while back.
https://www.reddit.com/r/rustylake/comments/98gxz1/lacus_fleo/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

[silk gust]

Ηδκρβ

Oops

Greek keyboard was still open sorry

But

That's pretty interestin

Cant read whole thing though

Signal problems.

[upper drift]

Nice theory

But again...

Isn't the lake "not alive"

[peak solar]

Oh

I meant to send something else

[upper drift]

Okay

[peak solar]

Depending on how much you want to dig into it
https://canonnoordoostpolder.nl/en/sea/flevo-and-almere

[upper drift]

I'll check it out for sure...
But is it rusty due to iron?

[peak solar]

||Lake Flevo was a lake in what is now the Netherlands, which existed in Roman times and the early Middle Ages. Some geographers believe that this lake was not really a single lake, rather a set of several lakes connected to each other -wiki but there was an island in the middle. ||

[upper drift]

Oh

Sounds like a mill was built in the RL world

[peak solar]

Yes

[upper drift]

In place of island

[peak solar]

Well paradise.

I thought

[upper drift]

Also if you look at paradox map

Could be....

[peak solar]

It's the only island

Looking at the landscape from roots

[upper drift]

But the only thing obstructing the river and the Lake is Mill

[upper drift]

So what is the River referring to in RL Mill

Hmmm

But again...

There are lot many islands in the river

Remember the globe puzzle

?

[peak solar]

The issue was that ||flevo was part of groups of lakes and it all flooded||

[upper drift]

Hmm mm.....

[vague imp]

There were 2 globe puzzles and 2 had difrent map as i remember

[upper drift]

Haven't reached chap 2

Damn

[peak solar]

The paradox globe map just doesn't make sense to be a useful map until maybe the end. For Harvey to have his own island we visit once...

[upper drift]

So Paradox is a new memory?

Going a bit offtopic

[peak solar]

Also ||the map from the office in case 23 and the map from roots to the birds line up||

[upper drift]

Yes

[peak solar]

||and the cave||

[upper drift]

Just abut to say that

[peak solar]

Yea

[upper drift]

So then what is paradox, I wonder

[peak solar]

It goes with the roots painting. Otherwise I don't know.

[upper drift]

It really is induced by Mr. Owls experiment

Probably

[peak solar]

I've seen people say it was mind twist

Yeah

A way to connect the old games to paradox.

[upper drift]

Because what he probably wanted... Was the rearrange your memories part

So while Dale looks into his memories, Mr Owl, who is already looking into his head can see his memories

And even decide his worthiness!

[peak solar]

||Here's the map if you want.
https://www.appunwrapper.com/2018/09/19/cube-escape-paradox-walkthrough-guide/4/||

[upper drift]

Thanks

Guys...

Where was Dale before Paradox?

When and where did we last see him?

[peak solar]

Case 23

[upper drift]

Oh the elevator

[peak solar]

Yea

[upper drift]

He is changing his memories using Mr Crow

[vague imp]

Yep

[upper drift]

Hmm

Thats how theatre and birthday happened

[vague imp]

Indeed

[upper drift]

Which actually shows Crow's crucial role

To Dale and Mr. Owl

[peak solar]

We don't know what the heck is going on between the bird characters.

[upper drift]

What bird char?

[peak solar]

Yea

[upper drift]

Harvey ?

[peak solar]

Well any. But the Harvey, Mr. Owl and Mr. Crow trio

[upper drift]

Ohh

Well... Owls are considered wise ig lol

A clear anthropomorphic view

[peak solar]

If you think about what Mr. Crows intentions /actions are, does that make Mr. Owl oblivious?

[upper drift]

Not oblivious

Mr. Owl is just a lil more learned and shrewder

Than common peeps

Even more than Mr. Crow, I'd say

[peak solar]

Mr. Crow may or may not be doing so much, yet Mr. Owl isn't questioning him.

That we know of

[upper drift]

Mr. Crow is only doing Owls bidding for now

for now

[peak solar]

Hehe

[vague imp]

XDDD

KEKW

[upper drift]

Maybe there is a potential of him turning after Samsara room

Problem is...

He Will be turning on Dale, not Jakob

Meanwhile Jakob is happily swimming with the fishes

End

[peak solar]

Depends

[upper drift]

Depends?

[peak solar]

||in samsara, the top 3 (human, God, demigod) are the positive side and lower 3 (hungry ghost, hell, animal) are the negative. At the top 3, you have a chance of enlightenment and particularly as human. During other stages, you just suffer. The animals in RL have a pretty rough death. ||

[upper drift]

Ah true

We also saw this in theatre

Circle of life crap

[peak solar]

||could be dales fear of fish... ||

Idk

[vague imp]

||Dale have ichtiophobia.||

[upper drift]

Oof

[vague imp]

You see this in ||paradox film|| and ||paradox chapter 2.||

[upper drift]

Ye

[peak solar]

Yep

[upper drift]

You gotta agree on one thing...

Aldous has pretty good shooting skill for his age XD

#skillz

[vague imp]

XDDDDDDDDD

﷼﷼

Oh my Arabic keyboard , sorry

[upper drift]

Why wud u even have that

Anyways...

Whoa

Something just struck me

....

Samsara room comes after roots and before seasons and Case 23 chronologically, right?

[vague imp]

There is list

[upper drift]

So then we still don't know what happened in the present

@vague imp > So then we still don't know what happened in the present
@upper drift

Am I right?

[vague imp]

Ye

[upper drift]

Dang

We just know how William's soul got into Laura

Question is...

What is the bloody point again

!?!?!?

Laura can't become William overnight after a death.
Memories are not gonna help Mr. Crow in any way.
So what tf is his incentive!?

Of staying with Mr. Owl?!

[vague imp]

Hmmmm

[upper drift]

Let's see....
He extracted the memories in the Mill, gave it in the form of black cubes, yes?

After that we haven't really physically seen him

(Except in Birthday and Theatre)

[stark quail]

Let's see....
He extracted the memories in the Mill, gave it in the form of black cubes, yes?
extracted the memories reminds of ||sarah|| in ||the white room after ending||

but

from the letter in the monitor, isn't it said that don't erase 'that woman' from ||bob|| memories?
CMIIW n sorry

[covert wyvern]

uh im not exactly sure what you're on about, but yes, Sarah removes the womans memories in body, subsequently fixing his corrupted soul

Im not sure if those memories are extracted into cubes or simply erased.

[vague imp]

Simoly erased.

Simply**

[spice frigate]

Simoly

[vague imp]

Curse of Damy ahhh

Im cursed

[covert wyvern]

Ive cursed you all.

[vague imp]

[weak ivy]

Well I have to retract my statements from earlier about this being in bobs head but I’m gonna creat a full time line of everything even more in depth than the one you can find else where but easier to read

[hidden ledge]

the memories are still there just laura is not in them

why did bob become corupted?

in case 23

[vague imp]

You played white door?

[upper drift]

White door@hidden ledge

[vague imp]

100%

That is important here

[upper drift]

Hmmm

°__________°

[hidden ledge]

i played the white door but it doesnt give an explanation

[vague imp]

You made all stars?

In white door?

[hidden ledge]

it just shows the events from bobs prespective(in police station)

[upper drift]

The stars

Ok

Listen up

[hidden ledge]

the policeman just angers him

[upper drift]

Correct...

..... and?

[hidden ledge]

well

[upper drift]

Ig the experiments did it right?

[hidden ledge]

howq angaring him caused him coruption

[upper drift]

@vague imp

[vague imp]

I guess too

[upper drift]

Hmmm

[covert wyvern]

nah

I think his lover dying

probably did that.

[upper drift]

They did a bunch of experiments, took his memories

[hidden ledge]

i noticed that you get corupted if bad memories are extracted or if you die in rusty lake nither happened

[upper drift]

Remember his status...

"Rebellious"

[hidden ledge]

They did a bunch of experiments, took his memories
doesnt this happen after case 23

[upper drift]

In between the investigation, ig

After Dale goes to Laura's house, but before the summon, I'm guessing

Summon= Bob's summon

[hidden ledge]

but these were all memories(except "the white door" dream)

he dreams them while he is sleeping there

[upper drift]

Hmmmm....

Let me think on this

[hidden ledge]

i think if you are corupted but you dont know about it you get corupted only when you learn about that. so he remmembers maybe

but it also separates the corupted soul from you. so there are 2 entities

[upper drift]

So can someone remind me what Leonard's importance was, in Roots?

[desert marten]

crazy theory: jeff vandermeer's wonderbook inspired aspects of rusty lake

[upper drift]

So can someone remind me what Leonard's importance was, in Roots?

What about this though

I uh... am just not able to remember

[desert marten]

i have no clue. maybe check the wiki

[upper drift]

Ok

Oh you haven't played Roots?

[desert marten]

correct

[upper drift]

Okay

[solid haven]

Wasn't he needed to find one of the timepieces?

[vague imp]

Yep

[polar warren]

Ye, the last generation each held a time piece ||and Leonard sacrificed his foot||

[upper drift]

Aww yees

[vague imp]

I remember that puzzle ||with flashbacks in war.||

[upper drift]

Ay

We were taking him out of a coma

By giving shocks through natural events

[silk gust]

Stupid question

But what's the paradox in cube escape paradox

Because I personally love everything that it adds into the lore

But I dont get why it's called paradox.

[covert wyvern]

bc of the multiple implied endings and potential timeloop

[silk gust]

Ah

[covert wyvern]

its paradoxical because in one ending we see Dale murdering laura

and in another we witness that murder

[silk gust]

I do remember that

It's just

Man

[covert wyvern]

its vague

and weird

[silk gust]

Yes exactly

[covert wyvern]

and honestly I dont understand it myself./

thats why im headcanoning that paradox plays out in dales mind

LOL

[silk gust]

Maybe

[hollow comet]

isn't it most likely?

[silk gust]

That's a common consideration

[hollow comet]

that golden cube making machine at the end of Cave?

[covert wyvern]

I dont want to preach it as the absolute truth tho ;p

[silk gust]

Multiple events point to it as well as just the basic lore

[hollow comet]

I think Birthday, Theatre, and Paradox occur in Dale's mind while he's plugged into it

[silk gust]

But maybe its not.

Maybe

Just maybe

[hollow comet]

ofc

it's rusty lake

[silk gust]

It's all a fever dream

Maybe

No machine

Those parts

[fringe sparrow]

hayyeee

[pure rose]

@tranquil anchor

[tranquil anchor]

Oh word

[solid haven]

The wikia also has a timeline of events.

[hollow comet]

iirc the possibility of there being 2 Mr Rabbit's was discussed before too

it's very interesting

[tight geyser]

Sorry about translate, but can orange mr rabbit be peace

He is not Elender

[hollow comet]

I got the first ending of The White Door but who can explain the ending of that Sarah chapter?
@meager cape by all accounts, it seems that Mr Owl was trying to learn about Laura from Bob's memories. He didn't even care much when Bob got corrupted.
I guess Sarah did Bob good by erasing all memories of Laura from his mind, so he could start afresh and Mr Owl couldn't probe his mind further.

[tight geyser]

Sorry about translater , with him faster

[covert wyvern]

Nah i get it

But The fat man is most definitely mr owl.

His name is O in the computer,

And his look is identical to owls "bald" human form

It could all be a red herring, true.

[tight geyser]

No , Mr owl haven't glass and , he was wearning a different suite

Mr owl owner white vut he not this fat man

[hollow comet]

there was even a photo of the hotel in the room

[covert wyvern]

There was? Damn I missed that

[tight geyser]

@hollow comet , yes he has , but I think

[covert wyvern]

Fair enough! But do notice the identical nose and mouth

[tight geyser]

This Mr owl

[covert wyvern]

Even the eyebrows

[tight geyser]

But glasses and suit

[covert wyvern]

Do you own just one pair of clothing?;)

[grizzled bluff]

I mean, neither of those are permanent

[tight geyser]

And mr owl no so fat

[covert wyvern]

I think it's impossible to compare body sized

[grizzled bluff]

They seem to be build the same to me

[covert wyvern]

But they both seem equally broad

[tight geyser]

This not seem how old Jacob Elender

[covert wyvern]

I think jacobs previous appearance hardly matters, he ages and balds

[hollow comet]

But they both seem equally broad
you mean

thicc?

[hollow comet]

I replayed dream 6

there are two golden doors in twd

I wonder what's behind them

[grizzled bluff]

I think the difference in angle and art styles is the reason for that

Other Rusty Lake characters usually look unique
It doesn't really make sense to have two near-identical characters like this, at least to me

[tight geyser]

Paradox in 1972 and white door in 1972 he not this will change si fast!

[covert wyvern]

EXTRA THICC

anyway where were we

[grizzled bluff]

He seems mostly the same to me, especially physically
Clothes and glasses can be changed easily, within seconds

[covert wyvern]

also you're closer to the manager than you are to owl

[hollow comet]

the hotel

[covert wyvern]

so the face is larger

..

you can see more of his office

How do I not remember this

ive 100%ed the game

LMAO

[hollow comet]

you can?

[grizzled bluff]

||Laura|| also draws the hotel

[hollow comet]

I didn't try swiping lmao

[grizzled bluff]

Wonder if there's more? XD

Where are you getting 15kg from? To me they seem to be about equally broad.

And both appearances have the same nose and head

[hollow comet]

Okay, as for the doors

[grizzled bluff]

I really do think that's just because it's a drawing

[hollow comet]

There's Bob's door

there are 4 of these; I guess they are 'common'?

and then there's two of these:

as sammy said, they're probably just design

[covert wyvern]

I think the only difference is they are "sliding" doors

[hollow comet]

but it's still fun to think about what's behind the golden doors lmao

[covert wyvern]

instead of doors you swing open?

like that seems like a sliding door handle to me

[grizzled bluff]

Maybe they help with your memory instead XD

[hollow comet]

Bob's door has a handle but still slides

[upper drift]

Btw

Talking about Mr. Owl

[hollow comet]

I don't think it's got to do with the handle design lmao

[upper drift]

In Cubes he had the same head

*Caves

If you remember...

[covert wyvern]

o.

[upper drift]

When he was in that suit

[covert wyvern]

damn I tried :((

ye the diving suit.

[grizzled bluff]

Yep

[vague imp]

Ye ye

[hollow comet]

you tried ⭐

[upper drift]

Diving suit. His real ascended face flickered

[vague imp]

I love seeing people on that chanell tbh

I love theories

[grizzled bluff]

But TWD has a slightly different art style from the rest when it comes to the humans

[upper drift]

True

[tight geyser]

乁( •_• )ㄏ

[upper drift]

you tried ⭐

You're welcome :)

[grizzled bluff]

Dale also changed quite a bit, pre and post Paradox, for example

[upper drift]

Of course.

[hollow comet]

ik nothing is certain with RL, but I think that bald man has no reason to be someone other than Mr Owl

[covert wyvern]

I mean he ends up with a deer head for a

well

head

quite the transformation!

[grizzled bluff]

Which I didn't realise the first time I played Paradox lmao
Didn't register it XD

[vague imp]

XDDDDDD

[upper drift]

And sounded like a punk guy

[covert wyvern]

mr owl is punk af.

[upper drift]

Hey Man! Want a Cigar?

[vague imp]

[hollow comet]

post-paradox dale looks traumatised

[upper drift]

Yesss

Wait what

Post Paradox?

We haven't seen post paradox right?

[tight geyser]

Who is that , seem screen shot, and see him . Where Bob see him

[upper drift]

That is someone else

[vague imp]

Some random ig

[upper drift]

He does see Dale partying though

[hollow comet]

what even is that

[upper drift]

Horse?

Idk

[vague imp]

Horse mask guy

XDDDDDDD

[upper drift]

Mr. Horse

[hollow comet]

seems like a horse-pig hybrid

[tight geyser]

Pink horse Asur ?

[grizzled bluff]

Post-Paradox ^^

[vague imp]

Yep

[upper drift]

Lol no.. he looks better than what he was

[hollow comet]

"hey man"

[vague imp]

"Want a cigar?"

[upper drift]

He looks haggard in Case 23 and Theatre

[hollow comet]

idk why they used the same voice for mr deer

[upper drift]

He looks more composed here

[hollow comet]

Ik it was just one line, still

[upper drift]

idk why they used the same voice for mr deer
It was Dale in the masl right?

Mask?

[grizzled bluff]

Yep

[upper drift]

Yep

[vague imp]

peY

[tight geyser]

Nisolas Albert and Dale association with deer

[upper drift]

That signature brown suit

[covert wyvern]

haah mask

[hollow comet]

I really thought it was Mr deer

[upper drift]

Well...

[vague imp]

LMAO

[upper drift]

Things aren't exactly consistent here

[vague imp]

He have that brown suit all the time

[covert wyvern]

We all know Dale ends up the succesor of the lake as mr deer, in one timeline ;p

[upper drift]

True

Yeh

[vague imp]

Ye ye

[tight geyser]

And now we can see this guy wirh pink suit !

[hollow comet]

remind me

We all know Dale ends up the succesor of the lake as mr deer, in one timeline ;p

[tight geyser]

Who is that !? I not know

[upper drift]

@tight geyser pink suit?

[tight geyser]

With pink head horse in green suit, yes

[covert wyvern]

he used to be famous back in the 90s

[vague imp]

Lmzk

[tight geyser]

Hahha

[covert wyvern]

Disclaimer; that was a joke and not at all relevant to RL

[vague imp]

Of course

[tight geyser]

But can Bob he seem and where?

[hollow comet]

you got me thinking about pop stars in horse masks

[upper drift]

Lol

[tight geyser]

¯(°_o)/¯

I think about who is that Asur or joke

[spice frigate]

Well, when you're playing dream sequences, sometimes you're having POV of Bob's

POV = Point of View

(not sure if I wrote it right, correct if I wrote it wrong )

[tight geyser]

Not know , u are know I russia , I not translate so fast

[vague imp]

We know fella

[tight geyser]

And someone can't say what I want

乁( •_• )ㄏ

[upper drift]

Can you say what you want in Russian @tight geyser

[tight geyser]

With translate , wait minute

[vague imp]

Kk

[tight geyser]

Wait , this translate pancake in f*ck ? 😳

[covert wyvern]

apparently.

[tight geyser]

🙄 yandex

[spice frigate]

If you mean that person with horse head and suit
Let me just say, that's just a background character, to not leave the scenery feeling... less lively?

that's at least how I can explain it

[covert wyvern]

cant have an empty club ;p

[upper drift]

And NO

Bob did not know anything about Elixir @tight geyser

[vague imp]

They just added some random characters

[covert wyvern]

bob only knew about laura,

[vague imp]

And gave some funny masks

Leave them.

[upper drift]

Yes

That's his question

[covert wyvern]

he's an unfortunate bystander in that aspect

[upper drift]

Actually...

Even Laura herself didn't know about the Elixir

So no way that Bob could have known about it

[upper drift]

So noone was a witness here

@tight geyser use Google Translate

It's better

[tight geyser]

U right , Bib can't know about elixir

[upper drift]

I translated your question using Google Lens

U right , Bib can't know about elixir
And yes

[vague imp]

Ye ye

[tight geyser]

I translated your question using Google Lens
@upper drift
I think about that

[spice frigate]

but yeah, you can't have scenery feel empty if it's supposed to be something with people in it
Cafe, Clubs, School, any public enviroment tbh

[vague imp]

Ye ye

[upper drift]

True. They all are a small part of a larger scene @tight geyser

[vague imp]

That is why they fill them with random things and characters.

[upper drift]

Yep