🤔｜theories

[vague imp]

Hello fella! This is theories chanell , for off topic chatting , check #🛖｜the-cabin

@final ocean

[final ocean]

Where You from ?

I don't understand

I AM from Colombia

[vague imp]

Yoy understand english?

[final ocean]

Sow sow

[hollow comet]

@final ocean por favor ve a #🛖｜the-cabin

[spice frigate]

@final ocean Para fuera de tema, vaya a #🛖｜the-cabin

[polar warren]

that seems unlikely because when he first drinks the elixir, he just turns into Mr Crow
But they'll have to remake the elixir and sometimes they might make a small mistake idk

[upper drift]

It’s the soul of mr crow

Ig

Probably he can cast his soul or smth

[vague imp]

Was thee naked man inside Samsara the child at the end

So the CS went in Laura to kill her

[upper drift]

Nope. Theory is.. that we played as William Vanderboom and he went back inside Laura's body(coz he was supposed to inhibit her body after he was supposed to reincarnate ||after drinking the Elixir and dying the first time||)

The man out of the clock is a usual addition to the game, don't ask me why

But as of now he's of no use

The man out of the clock is a usual addition to the game, don't ask me why
@upper drift he was there in roots as well

So anyways

Samsara may be the transition stage between his ||death in roots and rebirth as Laura||

Note: read the spoiler tags only if you've played Roots

[vague imp]

I haven’t

[upper drift]

Hmm preferably play roots and come back

[vague imp]

The money tho

I’ll watch speedrins

Speedruns*

[upper drift]

Yeah do that

Just get the story, is all

[violet dagger]

is case 23 and the mill happens at the same time?

cause in the mill you see him answering to dale vandermeer

[vague imp]

Yes indeed.

[violet dagger]

so another question

how the fuck laura gets from the apartment to the mill

so fast

(of course after she is dead)

[vague imp]

She teleports to clock when Dale discoveres word i guess.

[violet dagger]

That's weird and doesn't sound right

[vague imp]

Rusty Lake common is to be weird.

[violet dagger]

Yeah but teleporting though?

[vague imp]

Wait you can teleport

[polar warren]

I'd like to think the moths have something to do with this

[vague imp]

I want a moth

[hollow comet]

Mr Owl did teleport Dale and Laura to the Mill, so yeah

[upper drift]

Ok a theory(idk if it's proven): During Dale's bday party his parents must have employed Mr.Rabbit as their magician, correct??

And then boom... there comes the Lethal Mr. Rabbit

[covert wyvern]

I assume Mr owl had something to do with that, yknow gently nudge dales parents towards hiring Mr rabbit

[vague imp]

Ye ye.

[upper drift]

Hmmmmm

But hey, was he really apologetic? Or was that ||in Dale's head as well||?

Coz ||Mr Rabbit had written a letter||, if ya'll remember

[covert wyvern]

Hahaha I don't.

[hollow comet]

he wasn't really a murderer

so yeah, I think he didn't have a choice

[polar warren]

Hahaha I don't.
The letter in the box || about taking what was in it to get... Uhh I don't remember.... Through this phase? ||

[upper drift]

Yep

Basically it said Sorry, I had to do it because of the corruption due to a "substance of his past life"

[violet dagger]

did the white door happen before case 23?

because if so that means robert hill is a corrupted soul or dead

right

?

[violet dagger]

wait robert hill turned into a corrupted soul in theatre so how he was still okay in the white door and case 23

or is theatre just a memory that didnt happen

[hollow comet]

@violet dagger

Theatre was an altered memory

[violet dagger]

yeah i guessed that much

[hollow comet]

it did happen, but slightly differently

[violet dagger]

but did the white door happend before case 23

cause if so

[hollow comet]

Dale met Bob in the Theatre

[violet dagger]

robert hill is corrupted soul

[hollow comet]

and took him in custody

on suspicion for Laura's murder

[violet dagger]

but the theatre was a year before

[hollow comet]

Bob turned into a corrupted soul in the police station (Case 23)

[violet dagger]

case 23 was in 1972

yeah

so the white door did happen before

case 23

[hollow comet]

you can let me finish, ya know?

[violet dagger]

sorry

[hollow comet]

So, Dale arrested Bob in the theatre (the place, not the game), Bob became corrupted in the police station (Case 23, Chapter 2), escaped and woke up in the middle of the road, having turned into a human again (The White Door)

[violet dagger]

wait

how

i dont think it works like that

[hollow comet]

Theatre (the game) was an altered memory in that Bob did not become corrupted in the Theatre

he did in the police station

[violet dagger]

right

[hollow comet]

that's all I know

[violet dagger]

that i figured out but can a corrupted soul really become human

?

wait nvm it happend to mr. rabbit

right?

[hollow comet]

apparently yes because that's how the story goes

not sure about Mr Rabbit

[vague imp]

It didnt happend to mr rabbit i think

[violet dagger]

mr rabbit was turned to a corrupted soul in the end of the hotel

but in birthday he looked like a normal rabbit

kind of

[vague imp]

Corrupted souls are the persons spirit i believe or their negative energy i feel like there's 2 parts of humans in the RL universe

[hollow comet]

I'm confused about it myself

[vague imp]

the pure one and the corrupted one

Ye ye

the pure one being their human self back when they were alive and the corrupted on is their negative energy

[violet dagger]

ok so what happens to the pure ones

[vague imp]

they move on likely?

[hollow comet]

could be that Mr Rabbit chose to escape, while the rest of the family stayed behind

[vague imp]

do the afterlife or maybe purgatory who knows

[violet dagger]

so why robert hill turned back into a human

[hollow comet]

that explains why he was looking to claim his substance in Birthday

[vague imp]

Maybe it wasn't his time do die?

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hollow comet]

I don't know how or when exactly a person becomes a CS

[violet dagger]

and in the wiki it says robert hill status is corrupted

though

[hollow comet]

But I think it's somewhat analogous to mental illness

so, episodes, ya know?

[vague imp]

well i also have a theory that the souls show well yea mental illness

maybe they look different depending what you have?

[hollow comet]

then again, Rusty Lake is a mental health hotspot

[violet dagger]

yeah

[vague imp]

ie:Anxiety would be something more scary looking

depression would drain your energy

[hollow comet]

mental health and fishing

don't forget the fishing

[violet dagger]

and one of the big things we still dont know what is the purpose of the golden cube

cause we know a golden cube exist

[vague imp]

mmm i think it has something to do with the future so

[violet dagger]

yeah

[hollow comet]

They're simply called a 'key to the future'

[violet dagger]

but why mr crow and mr owl trying to get the golden cubes

[hollow comet]

they are?

[vague imp]

they need for the elixir apparently?

[hollow comet]

when did this happen

[vague imp]

maybe im misrememebering but i remember smth about it becoming mentioned in paradox

sorry my minds been forgetful lately hahaha

[violet dagger]

and in the cave

[hollow comet]

The only person who has had a golden cube is Dale

[vague imp]

He grabs it at ||cave|| ye?

[hollow comet]

yes and he also finds it in ||Paradox||

[vague imp]

And we see it at ||achivement of paradox chapter 2||

Ye ye

[hollow comet]

spoiler because it's ||an achievement||

[vague imp]

It was good fun with it imo.

[violet dagger]

quantumcrow i dont think its spoilers to anyone

[vague imp]

It can.

[hollow comet]

could be

[vague imp]

That is why we used it.

[violet dagger]

people that are theorizing on rusty lake know a lott

[vague imp]

there's new people here

[hollow comet]

what harm can a little spoiler tag do

[violet dagger]

idk

[hollow comet]

except when you overuse it

[vague imp]

be considerate

I mean there are spoiler tags to use them.

[hollow comet]

with Rusty Lake, no one knows a lot

[vague imp]

And that is good to you them here cause a lot of new people join here too

I only wonder why Dale fears fish?Like we gotta get that answer..

[violet dagger]

@hollow comet i mean that most of us played all of the games so nothing are spoilers to us

am i wrong?

[vague imp]

and if he fears them does he fear eating them also?

jbfdknbdf idk if this is the right chat do ask those questions.

[hollow comet]

@violet dagger the keyword being 'most'

not all people have played all the games

and BTW this is very off-topic now

[violet dagger]

yeah

[hollow comet]

jbfdknbdf idk if this is the right chat do ask those questions.
this is definitely the right place xD

Is there something like when people have a traumatic experience as children and come to associate (and consequently fear) something else with it?

that was not directly involved but was present at the time, or near the place of the experience

@vague imp

[vague imp]

huh well i hope we will see it bndm like the origin

[hollow comet]

no but is there something like that?

Is there something like when people have a traumatic experience as children and come to associate (and consequently fear) something else with it?

[vague imp]

oh yeah there is haha

[hollow comet]

that explains it

a fish

on the mousetrap

[vague imp]

bdmdnb i get anxious out of nowhere sometimes but idk why i just do nmnfdm

[hollow comet]

it was there when Dale's family was murdered

and not all of Birthday was altered memories

so, I think that's why he fears fish?

[vague imp]

maybe

[vague imp]

He fears fish

Bc he once’s loves a fish

In Harvey’s box, he loved the fish with the legs

[hollow comet]

Dale wasn't there in Harvey's Box

[vague imp]

It was a joke

[covert wyvern]

@vague imp please do keep it on topic, jokes Should go in #🦞｜rusty-memes

[vague imp]

Sorry

Hello damy! Long time no see!

[feral pagoda]

Is it possible that the main purpose of what mr owl does (killing etc) were to save his mom?

[hollow comet]

that would be pointless because Mr Owl was born when ||Jakob and Caroline's soul fused||

[upper drift]

And plus Caroline is dead and done when Jakob ended the plagues in Paradise

The only motive I see is the "feeding" of the so-called sacred (Rusty) Lake using people's memories. And Laura Vanderboom being the ||Reincarnation of William Vanderboom, brother to Aldous Vanderboom(who had stumbled upon Caroline's research of the elixir)||

Plus it was Caroline's tutoring that led Jakob to believe the Lake would be "fed" when people's memories in the form of the black cubes would be allowed to descend into the depths of the Lake

Rusty Lake Paradise- ||"The cubes are my memories. Feed them to the Lake to end the Plagues"- was the literal explanation of the whole story||

[upper drift]

Aight... why do ya say the Lake is a "she"

[hollow comet]

Father Lake would sound strange

[hidden ledge]

nicholas says that the lake will show her true self to us
in the final level

[upper drift]

Hmmm....... I think it was just figurative, personally

It's like he was personifying the lake

[hollow comet]

no, not anthropomorphic

[upper drift]

Ok yeah.. I admit I was incorrect in the usage of the word

Just personification

[hidden ledge]

i wasnt legitematly theorising that the lake is she i just found it funny in the game

[upper drift]

Oh ok

😅

Coz I had a legit doubt initially as to whether the Lake was alive

I thought that's the train of thought you were coming from

[hidden ledge]

well it might be who knows

[upper drift]

No, peeps were sayin the Lake is just like a deity(like how you worship Gods), nothing more

[covert wyvern]

That is likely, but I would love it if the lake has some form of sentience.

[upper drift]

Agreed

Btw do CS also roam around underwater?

Or just in the woods?

[polar warren]

Doesn't Mr owl say thry roam the lake in mill

Lemme check

[vague imp]

This is from that painting that have symbols at up?

[polar warren]

Idk I just had the screenshot saved

[vague imp]

Ohh okay xD

[polar warren]

I don't have the cube escape series on my phone cause of storage reasons

[vague imp]

I have folder for them.

[hollow comet]

I guess Hotel should've made it clear

they do live in the Lake

they're also seen in Cave

[polar warren]

I believe that's also why Mr owl kept them in water filled tubes

[upper drift]

But we also see em in the misty forests

[hollow comet]

that's not to say that they can't live without water

obviously

we see corrupted souls on land plenty of times

it does seem like water sorta traps them

but that would be a problem

aaaa

[upper drift]

Hmmm

[upper drift]

So... fun question... can Aldous actually speak in his crow mask?

Coz in Roots and Hotel, he doesn't

But in Paradox....

[covert wyvern]

mhm mask

isn't he quite literally a man with a crows head?

[upper drift]

But he cawed like a bloody crow twice

[edgy raptor]

I dont think you can caw in a crow mask

[upper drift]

You can't caw like that if you're a HUMAN lmao

[hollow comet]

He's neither human, nor crow

he's a hybrid

he's also not wearing a mask

[edgy raptor]

yeah

like a furry

[rapid ivy]

Hello there. Sorry to rush in, I don’t know if this is the right channel, but I feel like my question will fit in here
So, does anybody understand why Dale is described as “infamous”? What for he’s described like that? Badly solved previous cases? Alcoholism? Or something else? I’d really like to know your thoughts

[vague imp]

He had depression

Many things i feel esp the ||death of his parents/grandparent|| he was the ||only survivor || that alone would make you "infamous"

That is why he have depression too

[rapid ivy]

I thought this word describes his career, as a “bad reputation”

[vague imp]

it could mean many things it's all speculation honestly

[spice frigate]

infamous is exactly being well known for bad reputation

But I do believe it's because of his past ya know

[rapid ivy]

Hmm, alright. So “infamous” isn’t connected with his job as detective but apparently with just his life and character?..

[spice frigate]

I guess
I mean
|| Infamy can come from his unlucky trauma experience and being alcoholic. Although, we are not sure if he was problematic during intoxication or not. people have different personas while drunk you know||

[rapid ivy]

Oh, for sure, I see.
Well, thanks a lot for explanations! This question was bugging me for a while

[spice frigate]

not gonna lie, you sort of made me think a bit with this one too

[rapid ivy]

Well, rusty lake universe always raises questions
Honestly, at first I thought of him as Booker from Bioshock. Badly known detective with alcohol issues. Something similar, so I connected this word with his job

But now I see. Thanks again, I never thought of applying this term to just his life in general

[pure rose]

Never ever thought of bioshock similarities until this moment

[fickle cedar]

Elizabeth as Laura...and the Luteces as Mr. Owl and/or Mr. Crow

Though I think Dale's infamy is probably less "committed war crimes" and more "is seen as slightly unstable"

[upper drift]

May I ask where the word "infamous" was used?

I believe in the description of the games, yes?

[hollow comet]

How exactly does having your family killed as a child make you 'infamous'?

[upper drift]

Having a past maybe? Or being a lone survivor of a manslaught?

Although my guess is everyone in the department might look at him in a light of a guy having some serious PTSD

[hollow comet]

being infamous means you have done something wrong

ig they should've just used 'known'

[upper drift]

Hmm... or known for all the bad reasons?

[hollow comet]

whatever, I don't agree

[upper drift]

I do agree it's not a very solid explanation

That's why I was asking where it was used

I remember it being in the description, but then again I may stand corrected

[upper drift]

By the way, continuing the discussion from last time...

What if people thought that Dale killed the Officer and broke Bob out of prison??

[fickle cedar]

Thats a good point! It would look pretty suspicious

[hollow comet]

but Dale arrested Bob

[covert wyvern]

maybe that arrest triggered the corruption 🙂

[fickle cedar]

Did he arrest Bob? We never saw him do that

[vague imp]

You played white door?

Or watched gameplays?

[covert wyvern]

he appears in case23? I think.

[vague imp]

That is too

[covert wyvern]

he's the primse suspect in lauras murder.

which is fair.

[vague imp]

But in white door you have how he arrested him

[covert wyvern]

considering their romantic relationship

[fickle cedar]

Where is that in the white door?

[vague imp]

Secret night 6

Or night 5

[pure rose]

It was in one of the stars/achievements

[covert wyvern]

right the secret.

[vague imp]

I dint remember

[polar warren]

Well yeah it's SECRET

[vague imp]

Ye ye

At night 6

[polar warren]

I've only played the main game of TWD

[fickle cedar]

When he walks up to him at the night club?

[hollow comet]

maybe that arrest triggered the corruption 🙂
It most certainly did. He was falsely accused of murdering his girlfriend

[covert wyvern]

mhm.

Í was debating wether or not corruption was "spreadable" like a virus.

as in; being intimate with laura, and then seeing her die caused his soul to corrupt.

[hollow comet]

if corruption is analogous to mental illness

it can be triggered in that way

[covert wyvern]

I don't want to say that mental illness is what corrupts the soul

because I doubt everyone with depression has a corrupt soul.

but I feel it's probably memories and trauma that break a soul

so to speak

[hollow comet]

no, I didn't mean that. I said that in the RL universe when people have a traumatic experience, they change

[fickle cedar]

Maybe it's a combination of mental illness and a traumatic event

[hollow comet]

it's all in-universe

soul corruption isn't real, is it?

[covert wyvern]

ye I got that.

well we don't know that

;0

[fickle cedar]

What do you mean it isn't real?

[hollow comet]

We don't know if souls are real in the first place, but I won't go further into that

[fickle cedar]

But in the rusty lake universe I think souls are canonically real

[hollow comet]

by 'real' I meant irl, not in the Rusty Lake universe

[fickle cedar]

Oh well yeah soul corruption isn't really a thing irl

At least I hope not

[hollow comet]

👀

ya never know

[upper drift]

@acoustic gust

If you've played Roots

[acoustic gust]

Hm

[upper drift]

||William Vanderboom||(name inside spoiler is a name we see in roots) is who we're playing as.. in Samsara Room

[acoustic gust]

Oh ye

This guy we find him deas in many games

Dead *

[upper drift]

Also even in Roots we play as him

[acoustic gust]

Ye i seaeched the final endinf

Ending*

[upper drift]

Yesss

[acoustic gust]

I got no patient for that

But he is "everywhere"

Everytime

[upper drift]

And between ||last part of Roots and Laura's birth||... is Samsara room

[acoustic gust]

Laura's birth?

[upper drift]

Never mind

[acoustic gust]

Ok

XD

[upper drift]

You've not finished Roots?

[acoustic gust]

I did

[upper drift]

Hmm

Ok

Then you know about the Elixir?

[acoustic gust]

Yes

[upper drift]

What happened to William V.

(I'm too lazy to type Vanderboom)

[acoustic gust]

Im not good with names but 3 ppl drank it

[upper drift]

3 + 1

[acoustic gust]

Willian

[upper drift]

Animal

[acoustic gust]

Hm

Oh ye

[upper drift]

Yep

:-)

[acoustic gust]

Lol the || dog || became imortal

xD

[upper drift]

Yas

[acoustic gust]

||And y the other guy that drank became corvo?||

I shoukd've spoilered that

[upper drift]

Yes

Right

Wait waiy

That was between the 2 siblings

[acoustic gust]

Yes

[upper drift]

||William and Aldous||

[acoustic gust]

Yes

||Aldous did||

And ||william died or just became a soul||

[upper drift]

But then we see that ||William becomes ||

[acoustic gust]

He became a || ||?

[upper drift]

Hmm... Samsara room, stage 1?

Mirror

[acoustic gust]

Cant remember samsara things

It was rhe second i played

The first was white door

[upper drift]

Oh

[acoustic gust]

Actually white door also gave us many useless and some usefull informations

[upper drift]

Not useless mate

[acoustic gust]

||In white door we know how ppl from rusty lake make descorrupted||

I just realised it when i was playing hotel

[upper drift]

@acoustic gust I'd suggest you to play Paradise

[acoustic gust]

Hm

[upper drift]

Highly recommended

[acoustic gust]

The next i should play is the cave

But i have paradise already

Ixd

Xd

[upper drift]

Play Paradise... It's awesome

[acoustic gust]

Im following the recommended ordem

[upper drift]

Oh

[acoustic gust]

I will reach there m8 tomorrow

I think i watched the beggining of a brazilian youtuber playing paradise

The fly thing

I love bizarre games like fran bow xD

[upper drift]

Secret.... ||Resources give you recommended order... As long as u remember the storyline there's no problem of order 😛||

[acoustic gust]

Well i have to replay everything until i remember the storyline

[upper drift]

I love bizarre games like fran bow xD
@acoustic gust off topic... For other-than-Rusty Lake talk to to #🛖｜the-cabin

[acoustic gust]

Sorry

[twilit saffron]

Hmm

[upper drift]

Right... Couple of questions

What games you not played @twilit saffron

[twilit saffron]

I played the samara's room

For starters

[upper drift]

Mhmm

Play all other games of Rusty Lake

Search #📚｜resources

For a recommended order

[twilit saffron]

Ok

[acoustic gust]

Has harley drank the elixir?

He is alive for along time

Or there are many similar parrots

[hollow comet]

I don't remember another one like Harvey

and I can't say if he/she has drunk the elixir

because it's not explicitly mentioned

but he/she is a hybrid

and apparently Harvey was transformed into a parrot when Mr Owl summoned a light beam in Hotel

so, there's that

[vague imp]

Maybe Mr.Owl made him/her/whatever immortal

[hollow comet]

maybe

[acoustic gust]

Mr owl is badass

[hollow comet]

it would mean that the elixir also grants you the ability to pass on its effects onto others

[vague imp]

well yeah

[hollow comet]

but if it's like that, why didn't Mr Crow make his wife immortal?

[acoustic gust]

Well i think that the beam has the same effect of the elixir since the elixir can make ppl become animals

[hollow comet]

but if it's like that, why didn't Mr Crow make his wife immortal?
Correction: semi-immortal, not immortal

[vague imp]

he likely did

[acoustic gust]

I got a theory about his wife but i should finish the game before (m8 that was already answered)

[vague imp]

but she was killed nothing you can do about that

Immortal doesn't mean unkillable

[hollow comet]

dunno, it seems like hybrids have some form of resistance againt corrupted souls

[vague imp]

maybe so

[hollow comet]

||Laura killed Mrs Crow (??) as if it was nothing||

[vague imp]

||She likely didn't care at that point you don't think straight when you act angry||

[hollow comet]

makes sense, but wouldn't it have been physically harder for a corrupted soul to kill a hybrid without much effort?

clearly there was no fight lol

[vague imp]

||Who knows, maybe so but then again we saw that they attacked Harvey in Hotel, so perhaps they can attack and even harm you if they want do||

[hollow comet]

I would love a story about how Mr Owl escaped the assault

[vague imp]

||He can seemingly teleport so||

[hollow comet]

this sounds stupid but, he can definitely teleport others, but he hasn't been shown to do it himself

[vague imp]

If he can do it with others

he can do it himself..XD

[hollow comet]

you can lift someone up if you try

but you can never lift yoursef up without holding on to something

xD

[vague imp]

XD

yes but he disappeared also in the mill when the teleported Dale

so ditto he teleported himself also

[hollow comet]

he did disappear

but was it the low visibility in heavy rains (lel)

as for Dale, his TV teleported him from his office

[vague imp]

Mr.Owl teleported him to the chapel apparently

so ditto he teleported himself and Dale away

so thus he can teleport

[hollow comet]

closed

[vague imp]

XD yep but really that proves it he uses commands so Mr.Owl uses hax

[hollow comet]

don't worry, he will be cancelled soon

[vague imp]

XD

[hollow comet]

he'll become a fish and will repent his actions

[vague imp]

#Mrowlisoverparty

[hollow comet]

something that just occurred to me

It doesn't seem like there were corrupted souls in the lake before Mr Owl built the Hotel

and seeing that he specifically had 5 chambers built,

maybe he had them built ||for his family||

and that means that he released all other souls into the lake after he had used them (?) for making memories

so, all souls in the lake were Mr Owl's prisoners

which makes him no different from his ||grandmother||

all the more reason to cancel Mr Owl

#Mrowlisoverparty

[upper drift]

Damnit

It just hits hard that Mr. Owl about to go ||out of commission|| pls dont open this if you haven't played Paradox part II

Why did they downplay that character though

[acoustic gust]

Guys

I dont understand

||In paradise those ppl were the ppl who mr owl killed on rusty lake hotel?|| (dont open if u haven't played rusty lake hotel)

[pure rose]

Paradise was before hotel

[acoustic gust]

Ye

Sk

So *

[pure rose]

Way before hotel

[acoustic gust]

So those ppl with masks went to hotel

And then ||mr owl killed then||

For some reason

[upper drift]

So Mr. Owl....

[acoustic gust]

Corvo i mean

[upper drift]

Is a higher form of Jakob Eilander

Wait wait

Patience

Good things come to those who wait

[acoustic gust]

Kk lmao

[upper drift]

So... let's talk history

Remember Caroline?

@acoustic gust ?

[acoustic gust]

Hm

[upper drift]

Who was she?

[acoustic gust]

Nope

Cant remember her

[upper drift]

😕

[vague imp]

Lmao

[acoustic gust]

xD

[upper drift]

Caroline Eilander

[vague imp]

That will be problem

XDDDDD

[acoustic gust]

What game?

[upper drift]

@vague imp major

BRUUUUH

[acoustic gust]

Roots?

[upper drift]

FORGET ROOTS

[acoustic gust]

Kk

[vague imp]

Only paradise

[upper drift]

Roots is totally different

[vague imp]

For now

[upper drift]

Caroline is the person whose visions you saw

[acoustic gust]

So caroline is the blind woman

[upper drift]

That lady with striped dress

[acoustic gust]

"My mother?"

[upper drift]

So caroline is the blind woman
@acoustic gust no no no no no

[vague imp]

Yes

[upper drift]

Yesssss

[acoustic gust]

Kk

[upper drift]

Mother

[vague imp]

Your mom

[acoustic gust]

Lmao

[upper drift]

Right so

[vague imp]

You see that ||at 2 plague with black cube||

[acoustic gust]

Yep

[upper drift]

Caroline did a research on the ||Elixir||

[acoustic gust]

Ye i heard this on the ending

[vague imp]

Good

[upper drift]

So before all of roots

[acoustic gust]

So paradise is before roots lol

[upper drift]

Way way way before roote

Roots

[vague imp]

Yes

[acoustic gust]

||She was the real first elixir seacher||

K imma getting it

[vague imp]

Good

[upper drift]

So noe

Now

After all this

Jakob was supposed to be sacrificed to the Lake, which was considered holy(like a God)

As a teenager

[acoustic gust]

But caroline was sacrificed instead

[upper drift]

Yesssssssh

Because she wanted to save Jakob

Give him a lease of life

But...

[acoustic gust]

But it changed nothing

[upper drift]

The Lake didn't accept this

[acoustic gust]

He got killed tho

[upper drift]

This

[acoustic gust]

Oh

[upper drift]

Her death caused these plagues

So Jakob's "purpose" was to cure them of these plagues

And then get sacrificed as himself to "ascend" to a higher power/ state

And THAT is Mr. Owl

[vague imp]

Yes

[acoustic gust]

Ooh

[upper drift]

Who sees all, knows all

And knows what each person in the story is meant for

[acoustic gust]

And flies in space wtf

[vague imp]

He is like a god

Cause of that

[acoustic gust]

Then the is always caroline?

[upper drift]

No no no

Caroline is cured

Or at least resting in peace

She wont come back alive

[acoustic gust]

She became a soul

[upper drift]

But she won't be

[acoustic gust]

K

[upper drift]

Corrupted anymore

And the plagues are cured

Now fast forward .....

[acoustic gust]

And the animals that mr owl killed was for avenger his mother?

[vague imp]

And caroline is fine now

[upper drift]

That is not certain

We are not even sure if those animals had a connection or no

But Sky Squad (a person in our server).. had a good theory

[vague imp]

Fot they didnt had any conecction

[acoustic gust]

But that jakob is certain mr owl?

[upper drift]

The animals in Hotel

Maybe a hybrid of many souls

But that jakob is certain mr owl?
@acoustic gust most certainly

That is FIXED

Clearly fixed

Now Fast Forward

To roots taking place in early and mid 1900s

There as story progresses we see that William Vanderboom and Aldous Vanderboom, two brothers had read up on Caroline's findings of that Elixir

[acoustic gust]

One became a soul and the other one corvo

But wtf is that soul

[vague imp]

Roots starts at 1860 as i remember

[upper drift]

Now principally... There is a 50-50 chance that if you drink the elixir.. you may live or die

Roots starts at 1860 as i remember
@vague imp oh it was eh?... sorry I'm not good at dates

[vague imp]

Np np

[acoustic gust]

Ye he willian died

[vague imp]

But ye it is also at 1900s

[upper drift]

Now principally... There is a 50-50 chance that if you drink the elixir.. you may live or die
@upper drift right so coming back to this

[acoustic gust]

But we play as him

[upper drift]

William ded
Aldous --->

Get it?

[acoustic gust]

Yes

[upper drift]

K

Then as you said..

We play as Willam V. in Roots

Or rather his

[acoustic gust]

Oh

[upper drift]

(Which is why as you may see.. Mr. Crow knows his presence and talks to him on many occasions)

[acoustic gust]

Ye ye

[upper drift]

He even says "My Brother" many times

[acoustic gust]

And also other corrupted souls make the same but more friendly (helping him)

[upper drift]

No no wait

[acoustic gust]

He even says "My Brother" many times
@upper drift oh ye

[upper drift]

We only have William in the scene for now

Right...

[acoustic gust]

K

[upper drift]

So William V. does all of what you play in Roots

And THEN

Comes Samsara room

[acoustic gust]

Wtf

[upper drift]

Yes

[acoustic gust]

I gotta replay it to remember

But i played

[upper drift]

Because William was destined to take a rebirth as Laura Vanderboom

[acoustic gust]

Oooh

[upper drift]

After he took the Elixir he was destined to take birth as Laura Vanderboom (daughter to Rose Vanderboom)

[acoustic gust]

Isnt samsara the lady of the lake?

Wtf is samsara

[vague imp]

Samsara means wander btw

[upper drift]

As you can remember.. Rose Vanderboom(girl in black) did that Ouija Board thing

To communicate with William

[acoustic gust]

I do

[upper drift]

So...

After helping his Grand Nieces

And his future generations

So that his rebirth could take place

[vague imp]

Samsara also means place you life in and you escape it

[upper drift]

He went through the Circle of Life

AND THAT MY BOI...is Samsara Room

[acoustic gust]

Kk

[vague imp]

Yes

[acoustic gust]

Now i remember

[upper drift]

(Intro: what is this? Is this the Circle of Life?)

[vague imp]

Wander through circle of life

And you escape from it

[upper drift]

Become enlightened

[vague imp]

Becoming enlighten

You get it now?

[acoustic gust]

U necessarily need to become a in the circle of life?

[upper drift]

Right.. then we have Seasons, Case 23 , etc

And funny thing is

Mr. Owl is seeing aaaalll of this

So is Mr. Crow

[vague imp]

He is like a god

A spectator in all of this

[upper drift]

And Mr. Crow is Owl's executioner types

Ok he's Afk

[vague imp]

XDDD

[upper drift]

Did we drive him insane?😂

[vague imp]

I think yes KEKW

[upper drift]

It IS a lot

[vague imp]

Too much RL story xDDDD

But it is cool when you know it

[acoustic gust]

Hm

Lmao

[upper drift]

Oh ok wb

[vague imp]

Hello hello

[acoustic gust]

Kk seasons case 23 etc now

[upper drift]

Yes

Did u play?

[acoustic gust]

I should play paradox

[vague imp]

Focus on Case 23

For now

[acoustic gust]

I just nees to finish it

K

[upper drift]

Kkk

Do that and then come back

[vague imp]

Ye ye

[acoustic gust]

Ok

Paradox is the hardest, right?

[vague imp]

One of

Hardest

[acoustic gust]

Shit

I had difficulty in case 23 lmao

Paradise i suffered so much

Brb gonna play it

[upper drift]

Okie

[acoustic gust]

I knew i'd be inside a paradkx

Shit this cap 2

I had to cheat

Lmao

Too hard

And big

So

There's no ending?

||mr owl will become a fish and he wants the guy to subistitute him||

So he should find his || ||

And he is the one who ||killed laura||

So who we control in seasons?

Halp im so confused

Why mr owl put him in the paradox and do not on White door to enlighten him

[vague imp]

We control Laura in seasons

[acoustic gust]

WHAAAAAAAAA

U want break my low brain duddy?

On theater theres a man drinking

Is he and the detective the same person

[vague imp]

No, the detective is Dale. I think the guy at the bar is Bob? I’m not entirely sure...

[covert wyvern]

Yes

Hebis.

He is*

[acoustic gust]

So dont we control bob?

On season

[covert wyvern]

Not,

[acoustic gust]

Y laura

[covert wyvern]

No*

Because seasons is all about laura

And her descent to corruption

[acoustic gust]

Is it possible that we only use vanderdoom ppl and dale

Lol

K

We never plays as bob

Play*

[covert wyvern]

We do

In the white door.

[acoustic gust]

God

Deeper then any game

Ok last one question

Wtf is paradox and why dale is there and do not on white lake?

Whitendoor**

White door

[vague imp]

The only games I know we don’t play as dale is the cave, seasons, Harvey’s box, and the mill

[covert wyvern]

Paradox is tricky.

I think paradox plays out completely in dales mind

[acoustic gust]

Roots, hotel, paradise, White door and samsara room

[covert wyvern]

It's his subconscious making a decision

[acoustic gust]

Well for me makes no sense paradox on this story

But how dale knows about mr owl?

And in cave we see that mr owl helped dale reach on paradox

They'll for sure make another game

[covert wyvern]

Of course they will, I think this story is far from over.

And mr owl knows about dale probably because he chose him as his successor

Dales entire life has been directed by mr owl,

Basically.

I think?

[acoustic gust]

But dale doesnt know about mr own

How its a subconscious thinf

Maybe its a place created only by mr kwn

Own*

Or maybe thats the passage from human to "mr own"

[covert wyvern]

Dale doesn't have to know about mr owl,

He didn't get much choice to begin with

[acoustic gust]

How you guys know that mr own is everywhere everytime like god?

I haven't seen nothing that shows that

For me he is just a spirit like the other animals on hotel

[covert wyvern]

I don't know that he's everywhere everytime

But he is a key character

And he does simply pop up alot.

[vague imp]

Its easy do know everything that happens when you get workers who to the dirty work for you

[covert wyvern]

This^^

[vague imp]

Mr.Owl is like a retail manager

They sit in the back doing nothing let the workers handle it we pay them for it

[hidden ledge]

dales parents did die for real when he was 9. i know that the lake changes your memories and all that, but in every memory there is some truth. there is literaly no reason for the cube to be black except his parents died. once he saved them the cube turned white. But the biggest evidence is in paradox where you can see that in dales psyhological avaluation there is a newspaper article about a family murder with only a 9 years old (dale) surviving. It also says that dale has child trauma.

also the avaluaton can be trusted since it also says dale has fear of fish and in the film we did see him disgusted by the fish

[fluid kraken]

Hey guys, I am playing Birthday, but I have a question, why the rabbit needs to kill them all and said this is his only chance to escape from this state?
What’s the substance the rabbit talking about?

[vague imp]

ah that's spoilers haha we don't wanna ruin it for you

[fluid kraken]

Ah that’s ok I already finished it just confused about it

Thanks haha

Or should I go to spoilers to ask?

[vague imp]

i think that's best

[upper drift]

Right.. so I was thinking

Sonething about the Rabbit in Hotel was off

Every animal over there was killed, but we could see only the ||Corrupted soul of the Rabbit outside his window, when we were one step away from killing him||Open these spoilers if you've played Hotel

What if ||the Rabbit underwent a Reincarnation?||

So instead of SkySquad's theory, that the Rabbit was a hybrid... what if it was, ||infact, a Rebirth???||

[hidden ledge]

no. the rabbit in hotel is like an easter egg. just like harvey in paradise(harvey wasnt alive then)

[hollow comet]

we can't say for sure

Harvey may originally have been a parrot

[upper drift]

Wait... later tomorrow I'll send a Reddit link

And it's one of the best explanations I've seen by far

[fluid kraken]

And it's one of the best explanations I've seen by far
@upper drift can’twait to see it 🙂

[upper drift]

Oh thanks for the backhanded reminder, I would have forgotten otherwise😂 😂

I'll upload it right away

https://www.reddit.com/r/rustylake/comments/9n380b/mr_rabbit_explained/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

There ya go... it's long.. but a worthwile read

I suggest all of ya read it

[hollow comet]

that's a really cool explanation

[upper drift]

It is

It also debunks whatever what we theorised about Dale's mind

Coz it's saying that it changed the timeline

And if this IS true, then Mr. Owl is way more cunning than I personally considered him to be

[hollow comet]

Mr Owl is a slaver

he needs to be cancelled

[upper drift]

Hmmm and this post puts him in a borderline dangerous light

[fluid kraken]

Oh i did read that yesterday!! it's really cool, also i just read a chinese info about it, someone said he thinks they are two rabbits cuz in the Paradox, the phone book has two rabbits name

[upper drift]

Oh I need to check out that phone-book(or book of details) again... I was searching for clues yesterday, but didn't get much

I need to rack the whole damn thing top to bottom again

Ok Theory time, and this is gonna be inspired

Why.. did ||Jakob give his mantle of Mr. Owl to Dale Vandermeer||(open this if you're done with Paradox and Paradiae)....
I mean why would anyone give such a position of prestige to his "successor", however intelligent and curious that successor may be!?!?

So here's my theory

(And this is gonna take lots of spoiler tags, sorry, in advance)

What if Mr. Owl did have a flicker of vision relating to the downfall of Rusty Lake and his position...
What if he saw Mr. Crow and the corrupted souls attacking him again(||after what we see in Dale's birthday scene in the Snowglobe|| [open this if you've completed Cube Escape Birthday fully])

This time with greater rigour??

And all he wanted was someone other than himself to get hit the fires that he(||Jakob as Mr. Owl||) left in his wake??

And obviously Dale might not have known jack sh** about any of this but he's observant enough to know that if Mr Owl ||gives him his position, something about him stumped Mr. Owl||

So now Dale is abandoned, yet again, with a powerful position, and a hell lot of fires to extinguish....(if he even can)

[cinder hemlock]

A chart of every rusty lake game and their connection. If there's an error tell me.

[grizzled bluff]

Well done, Fan!

[weak patrol]

you should label them

[covert wyvern]

I do like this as an art piece too

[weak patrol]

same

[polar warren]

That paradise owl is kinda cute

[upper drift]

Omg I did not see that

Dude put this in #🎨｜fan-creations

It's fitting

[vague imp]

This is amazing

[cinder hemlock]

@weak patrol I tried to make the images as close as possible

Also it's technically a theory

[cinder hemlock]

Theory: "the past is never dead" means that everything that happened isn't gone, but in fact cluttered up in the present.

[upper drift]

Hmm thats what the real quote means

(One by William Faulkner)

Basically means that the past can never be dead or over.. and is definitely not something you can leave something behind and act as if everything is all rosy, nice and all hunky dory

[cinder hemlock]

Oh

[silver anvil]

@upper drift the quote is from Requiem for a Nun

[upper drift]

Hmm... yes

By Faulkner, yes?

[silver anvil]

Yes

[upper drift]

I've heard the quote, is all

[silver anvil]

The only way I know this is that I saw the quote on a website that had the top 100 book quotes of all time.

[upper drift]

Oh.. I saw it on Goodreads😅

[silver anvil]

I saw it on BookBub

So...we found it on similar websites

[upper drift]

Ah ok

Yes

[upper drift]

Hey y'all... Question
What's the significance of Johnson bird food?

Because I feel it may be connected with Harvey, somehow

[peak solar]

Have you played the white door?

[upper drift]

Yes

I know it's where Bob used to work

But even parrot food may be made by Johnson's, yes?

So could this be a detail?

So what I feel is....

Harvey, ||after escaping from the Hotel|| (open this if you've played Birthday), was obviously loyal to Mr. Owl.

So he became a pet to Laura.

And obviously Bob was also close to Laura... And so Bob was also in the radar of Mr. Owl.

[peak solar]

You would find your answer ||in Paradox||

[upper drift]

Oh I haven't played Ch 2

[peak solar]

Oh

Oof

[upper drift]

But I have seen walkthroughs

And Mr Owl explains the past, present and the future.

[peak solar]

If you want, I can meet you in the spoilers

[upper drift]

Actually I'll have to come later.

[peak solar]

Okay lol

[upper drift]

Gonna be in a lecture lol

[peak solar]

Good luck

[upper drift]

Thanks

[onyx minnow]

Oh wow theres a lot.... ive played most the games before but now i feel the need to replay them all lol

[upper drift]

It’s fine. You shud.

[hollow comet]

@covert wyvern it's hinted multiple times in Roots. William says he wants to 'live'.

The way Laura is conceived is also equally strange

tbh all of it hints towards reincarnation

I think that's also the point of Samsara Room

[vague imp]

Ye

[hollow comet]

Laura is just William reincarnated

same soul

[upper drift]

Yes but Laura isn't aware of her last life till now, yes?

[covert wyvern]

Which has me believe, that Laura is in fact, also laura

[upper drift]

Hmmmm

We are in theories

[vague imp]

XDDDDDD

[covert wyvern]

O WE ARE

HALLO

I thought you continued

[upper drift]

LOL

[vague imp]

KEKW

[covert wyvern]

listen

[vague imp]

Jands

[covert wyvern]

I woke up 5 minutes ago.

thank you for the correction,

[vague imp]

Np

[covert wyvern]

apologies.

[vague imp]

Np Damy. Happens to the best

[covert wyvern]

anyway I probably need to replay roots to like

get a better grip on this

[vague imp]

I did that 2 weeks ago

[covert wyvern]

and I realise Samsara is all about reincarnation

[hollow comet]

so, Laura is William, right?

[covert wyvern]

Yes.

well

[vague imp]

Yeye

[covert wyvern]

they share the same body.

[hollow comet]

lol

[covert wyvern]

in my opinion

[hollow comet]

?

[covert wyvern]

like I personally think William just sort of squeezed his way into Laura's body and they either share a body with two souls

or share the same soul, but are two distinct people

[vague imp]

It can be

[covert wyvern]

because I see no reason for Williams soul to go corrupt

just by reincarnation

lol

[hollow comet]

ok, but I think William is Laura. They're different bodies ofc, but same soul, and thus in essence, the same person

also, William's corrupted soul and Laura never existed at the same time

[covert wyvern]

right, but a soul would need a body right, surely.

[hollow comet]

certainly

[covert wyvern]

also like my theory is based on the fact that William remains his personality as william

maybe he lost all that during reincarnation

[vague imp]

Maybe

[covert wyvern]

and that's the price for being reborn

I just feel like if Laura had retained some of williams personality, she'd had no trouble w/ the lake or a corrupted soul lol

[hollow comet]

that doesn't fit with the fact that Mr Owl is perfectly aware that he was Jakob

[covert wyvern]

unless william was of course doomed to end up corrupted.

but he Mr Owl wasn't reborn, per se, was eh?

he*

[hollow comet]

wasn't he?

he was burned alive

[covert wyvern]

O shit he was.

damn that sucks

[vague imp]

XDDDD

[covert wyvern]

LMAO as I said

it's been a hot minute

[vague imp]

But theory was cool

[hollow comet]

understandable

[covert wyvern]

okay but;

[hollow comet]

maybe give it a bit more thought

[covert wyvern]

This is the channel to do that

;0

[vague imp]

Yeye

[covert wyvern]

just shoot down all my ideas

LMAO

[vague imp]

Of course!

[covert wyvern]

the wiki, which might be wrong, mentions he "ascends" from his human form.

there's a distinct difference in ascending and reincarnation

[vague imp]

Hmmm

[hollow comet]

I'm not sure where or not the wiki might be accurate

it also says 'William is reborn as Rose's daughter, Laura'

[covert wyvern]

right fair point

LMAO

[vague imp]

XD

[hollow comet]

not to mention it's just clueless people like us writing the wiki

[covert wyvern]

Hell ye.

nah but I do feel there's a distinct difference between ascending and rebirth. :))

[hollow comet]

yes, I would agree

Mr Crow ascended, he wasn't reborn

[covert wyvern]

right.

[vague imp]

Yes.

[covert wyvern]

he just said BOTTOMS UP

and boom

[hollow comet]

boom, ahaha

brother dies

[covert wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/lmfao-lil-jon-shots-music-video-drinks-gif-4482681

mr crow ascending

[vague imp]

XDDDDD

KEKW

[hollow comet]

the uncertainty is in what happened with Mr Owl

[covert wyvern]

right

we didn't see him drinking anything

[hollow comet]

if he was reborn or if he managed to escape from the flames and simply ascended

he had Caroline's soul with him

[vague imp]

Ye

[hollow comet]

the elixir might not have been required?

idk

[covert wyvern]

right which complicates the matter

how does one ascend.

[upper drift]

I'm telling you.. Jakob was like the "Chosen One"

Eldest of the Eilanders, chosen by the Lake, guided and taught by Caroline's soul even after her death...

[covert wyvern]

yes that is likely, but does that mean that the lake willed him into ascending?

can the lake just decide that

LOL

[upper drift]

The Lake already decided that lmao🤷‍♂️ 😂

[covert wyvern]

Right, and I am in favour of the lake having some sort of consciousness

[upper drift]

That's why if you remember, I'd asked if the Lake was alive

Or if something was living underneath it

And then I got answers saying that the Lake is just a holy deity(of sorts)

Although I wouldn't put it out of the realm of possibility that there's something above Mr. Owl as well

(Whom, by the way, we'd considered as the supreme... whatever)

But how was that other theory of mine, btq

Btw

So here's my theory

It's there since a week

[vague imp]

XDDDD

[covert wyvern]

O I'm definitely in favour of the lake having some sort of consciousness

I'm sorry if that contradicts any of my previous statements

But it's one of my "theories" I most firmly believe in

And really the lake would have to have some sort of consciousness, with all those memories toiling around in it ;

[upper drift]

Yes

Exactly

[covert wyvern]

Right

I do think something is above even mr ctow

[vague imp]

Ye ye

[covert wyvern]

Crow*

[upper drift]

It lives and feeds on people's memories

[covert wyvern]

But I don't think he's in service of the lake

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