🤔｜theories

[polar warren]

Oh,

See them change shape on it?

[hasty quarry]

Yeah. As it is indicated in Samsara, a shadow must move with a sacrifice, have to finish up cleaning up.

[solid haven]

Change shape on a canvas? How so?

[hasty quarry]

Yeah. I think Roots of where Edna painted one.

As a hanging man, but yeah, they can change directions and shapes.

[solid haven]

*Emma, and when did we transition from the painting in Samsara to Roots?

[hasty quarry]

|| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtoFQ3_yIMw&list=PLFHNBcZS1wQtRX5o6AVhg9jTKpquY8lZk&index=4 Start on 4:07 ||

[solid haven]

Yes, but what does that have to do with corrupted souls apparently changing shape on the window wallpaper in Samsara?

[hasty quarry]

Well I think sometimes they are like artwork, but also a repersentative of their own past.

[solid haven]

Do you view the transformation between being an art form and being a representation of one's past as a change of shape?

[hasty quarry]

In both, I view the transformation as an art, also I do a past of change into shape.

[atomic mirage]

Well remember that the corrupted souls are that...souls. If we're going by traditional idea of what a "soul" is in most human cultures; and the depiction we've seen in the games, a soul doesn't really have a solid, tangible corporeal form ("shape"). I think that's the reason why to us & the living characters in the game the CS are depicted as black, vague humanoid shape without recognizable face.

Those times when they're seen in other forms, like the animal shapes, are usually hinting on their past or future. In Samsara, on the mirror reflections, their shapes are how the CS itself feels about themselves. (Laura saying "I feel so small" when her soul resembles a worm, etc). So I guess they don't exactly change shape, but the perception of a CS may vary to those who see them.

I don't think the painting of Mary (not Emma btw) transforming into her hanging herself has anything to do with corrupted souls at all. Nobody from her story gets transformed into CS at all as far as I remember.

[polar warren]

but Mary didn't hang herself. Mary is James's wife. Albert's and Samuel's sister hung herself not their mother

Mary is playing with them in the same memory where we see the newspaper with Emma's death

[vague imp]

I think you're getting Mary Confused with Emma @atomic mirage

[polar warren]

Or if you're sure you're not getting them confused, explain cause I'm not following

[solid haven]

Emma paints a corrupted soul next to herself in said painting, and as is also in Laura's case, thusly hints at the association of corrupted souls with mental illness and suicide. Thought this indeed doesn't have to do anything with an actual CS being featured nor it changing shape.

[atomic mirage]

Oh right, I got the names mixed up

I misrembered Emma being the name of Albert's daughter

Even if there's relation between CS and Emma's death, CS are supposedly formed when someone's memory is extracted. And Emma never had hers extracted.

[vivid marten]

i think CS can be formed when memory is extracted but it can also be caused by proximity to the lake itself, because in Paradise Jakob's mother's soul was corrupted and that was before any 'industrial' extraction was taking place

and the Vanderboom's house was close enough to the lake that it could have just happened because of that

[polar warren]

Even if there's relation between CS and Emma's death, CS are supposedly formed when someone's memory is extracted. And Emma never had hers extracted.
Well more specifically: extracting a bad memory can corrupt the body
According to one of those things you fish out of the lake they miiiiiight have dumped the corrupted bodies in the lake. Realized their mistake and got Dale to get rid of 'em

[covert wyvern]

Owh I always thought the soul got corrupted before the extraction would happen

Interesting.

Okay but didn't bob also get corrupted and wasn't he locked up in a mental institution in the middle of the city?

[vivid marten]

the white door is somehow an extension of the lake I think

[covert wyvern]

An interesting theory, about to bottle some Lake Water then

Lmao no but that's an interesting take

I mean they were definitely doing something cube related considering the basement was a thing

[vivid marten]

yup, plus the manager of the white door either IS or just LOOKS LIKE mr owl's human form (as seen in the cave and paradox ch 2)

[polar warren]

Which manager are you talking about? I just got to the 5th day and the bald man is a doctor. And yeah, he does look like Mr owl

[covert wyvern]

I assume that bald man is Mr O?

[vivid marten]

yes, him!

[hasty quarry]

Then..

The bald person with thick glasses, was Mr. Owl's middle age then?

[covert wyvern]

it's something I assumped,

im unsure how true it is

[hasty quarry]

Me either, it seem vauge.

Vauge.

Vague.

I was thinking this morning on how Roots family was David was the cop of White door, for an odd reason.

[polar warren]

Vague

[hasty quarry]

Also Rose was the ||Samsara at time but is we tapping into the gecko area? Twin library publications, even if the child was even someone else.||

[polar warren]

I'm having trouble understanding what you're saying

[hasty quarry]

Was thinking on something within the story line, on how David, duration of something, just grow up and become the cop inside Case 23 by the CS.

Like his own guilt shocked him until he figured out "Hey man that is enough killing hey man, why not get a police job?"

[polar warren]

Am I too tired to understand but it seems like you're talking about a million things at one

[hasty quarry]

okay not a problem.

[solid haven]

Bob first became a corrupted soul after shooting himself in the head in Theatre, which would confirm to Crowley's theory

[solid haven]

Also, I don't think it makes much sense for a homicide killer as is David to join the police force. Unless you were actually talking about Dale, in which case it would be somewhat valid

[hasty quarry]

I was half awake when I wrote that in my notes lol..

[atomic mirage]

@covert wyvern spoiler for The White Door in case you haven't finished it. || Bob's memory WAS being extracted by The White Door institute. Specifically, they were trying to extract his memories about Laura as those are very important to them. ||

[polar warren]

I am tempted to look but I haven't finished it adn I don't wanna be spoiled

[atomic mirage]

And yeah Crowley you're right, I forgot Caroline also got turned into a CS after being sacrificed. It happened after she died, though, right? So I guess maybe the lake taking back your memory itself is what creates a CS, doesn't matter the process, whether your memory was extracted by someone then given to the lake, or your body being dumped into the lake.

Don't look Laura it's a major spoiler haha

[polar warren]

How far in? I'm at day 5

[atomic mirage]

I forgot lemme check

I think you find out about it either after rebooting the computer as bob or when playing as the nurse

[vague imp]

Is it’s based on a real thing

Or what

I’m confused

Say the story in 1 whole thing

Lmao

[atomic mirage]

I don't remember how much you find out after booting the pc the first time

[vague imp]

What

What’s this about in the game

[atomic mirage]

I'm talking about the TWD spoiler I posted

[vague imp]

Is it all connected

What’s TWF

TWD

Ahhhh

[atomic mirage]

The White Door

[vague imp]

So can y tel me the story line

[pure rose]

You should play it to learn about the story line...

[vague imp]

I’m trying to

[polar warren]

Wdym

[atomic mirage]

Yeah you gotta play the game.

I was replying to someone else about a speculation on the corrupted souls. It wouldn't make sense unless you've played the games.

[hasty quarry]

|| Laura is a major spoiler towards almost every game, except for Roots ||

[vague imp]

Is Harvey the bird inside of the seasons

[pure rose]

Harvey is parrot’s name, yes.

[vague imp]

Haha

I love Harvey

But wait, they made harvey box after seasons

And that focuses on Harvey? So that means that Harvey somehow got free?

What is this point of the butterflies and tthe black dots in the game

Ok I’m forming a theory...

[hasty quarry]

Change is to transform, already had that theory six months ago on here....

:: sighs:::

[vague imp]

Wat

Guys, I was wondering
After all these games, what do you think that would be the major purpose of the story? I still don't know what to think xD

The purpose of The story is to not let your ||corrupted|| soul leave your body and kill your past self

Duh

[polar warren]

... yeahh.... definately heheh

[vague imp]

Are there any more games

Coming up

[polar warren]

idk what the main plot is, theres a lot of characters and a lot of them have story to them

[hasty quarry]

Memories of bad to the humanity soul, one must forward the last ending inside each cube we held into our darkest fear, one must enchant and change over the flood gates, you must step with the gates that are given in your present, otherwise you'll be the shadow itself.

[vague imp]

Ohh it makes sense
Thanks :)

[hasty quarry]

The main plot is humanity.

[vague imp]

There is no plot. It’s just a illusion

[polar warren]

youll uderstand more about different cubes in the cave

[vague imp]

K

See

Someone died

Well, i already played all the games and discovered a lot of new information about Mr. Crow, Mr. Owl, Laura and their backstories
Buut i think i'll have to play again or read on the wiki to figure this out

[hasty quarry]

Death is nature around the events we all take for granted as humanity rove upwards.

Think on what you are exploring throughout each of the cubes and internal possession too.

[polar warren]

death is kinda taken very lightly in the cube escape series, people die left and right and then get revived or just ignored

[vague imp]

Yes xD

[polar warren]

aa i meant

rusty lake series

not only cube escape

[vague imp]

Death is current in all the games

Time too

[polar warren]

present* ? not current? or do i not english ennough XD

[vague imp]

Ohh sorry
My english is not this good ;v;

So now I have a theory and it’s a stretch. The animals in the games symbolize the game. So like the crow irl symbolizes death and the monkey inside of this is like the other guy. They are connect through this cube because maybe in another life they has used this shrines to transform into these characters. The animals could be main character or could be the humans that died and came back but transformed into these animals. She could have been killed by her corrupted soul grief for maybe feeling bad of commuting suicide. She was only killed by her own feelings

...

That was a big stretch

[polar warren]

just play the games lol for real, a lot of things get explained

[vague imp]

Lmao

She really rejected my theory and made me play them😂

[polar warren]

for realzies XD every animal character was once a human

[pure rose]

I mean how could you even place a theory not even playing the games...

[polar warren]

dont know about harvey actually... who was he before bird man?

[vague imp]

I played all the games once in my life

[hasty quarry]

Play each game in chronological order.

[vague imp]

I like your theory

[hasty quarry]

"once?"

I am here all the time giving away different theories..

[vague imp]

I used to download the games to play a escape game but I never realized it was much more

And in my past I used to delete them if I was stuck lmao

[hasty quarry]

...

[vague imp]

lol

I was just a kid lmao

And I would delete them bc they were scary

I feel like the corrupted soul is her grief tho. Like she committed suicide because she maybe killed someone in her past like and she saw them through the cube

Lmao

So, i will play the games again
Thanks for the theories, it made me think about everything :)

[hasty quarry]

"her"?

[vague imp]

I panicked when I played Arles and then saw Van Gogh's death

[polar warren]

paradox was the first game i played, i was little and i just thought it was a cool game

[hasty quarry]

I think Seasons or the mill was my first game.

[vague imp]

Ohh i really loved Paradox and how and how the movie intertwined with the game

[hasty quarry]

Yeah Paradox is one of those "non bloody" games.

[polar warren]

well, cant say there no blood

[vague imp]

I remembered that phrase "there will be blood."

[vague imp]

Oh yeah

I killed Th e bird

Ok ima speedrun all the game snow

[polar warren]

if you played all of seasons you would know you didnt kill him permanently. you sure you finished the game?

[vague imp]

Shhhhhh

He stabbed

[polar warren]

did you finish the game? did you get a screen saying that you did?

[vague imp]

Yes

She stabbed the bird

Only bc she needed it

Sending guilt to her, making her kill herself

Bc we all love harvey

[polar warren]

umm

im thinking you didnt finish the game

[vague imp]

Shhhhhhhh

Not ye

Yet

I’m stuck

Look in #cube-escape-series-help

[polar warren]

ah okay, well you can always ask for help

[vague imp]

I need help

[polar warren]

ah

[vague imp]

Real #🩸｜general-chat

[vague imp]

I think she’s self conscious

She looks in the mirror and said “the mirror never lies” meaning she can’t change the way she looks

This is a reference to her and the suicide bot wanting to upset anybody and also Prozac is a anti depressants

I think that the corrupted soul is her grief and her depression getting the best of her and that’s why she let go of the world

[hasty quarry]

It is a nice thought, but...

[vague imp]

But what

[hasty quarry]

Depression is a huge monster and you cannot simply wish to feel better though, it takes a long process amongst with talking with your friends and family.

That is why Laura reached out to others.

[vague imp]

But wait, also in the thing the guy shots himself which proves my point of the man. And when u get into the ear you are the soul. So maybe when u die you turn into the corrupted soul

In the mirror

It’s linked with depression

So I think that when they die form depression or this grief they turn into this guy

also in the fishing

The guy get you

Which is the depression

At the end

It’s a stretch

[polar warren]

if you wanna know why the guy died, you should play the white door

or well, why he shot himself

[atomic mirage]

The depression is not what turns you into a CS.

Also Seasons isn't exactly a game played through Laura's PoV imo. It's a game for the player to figure out about the lore regarding the Lake, The Cube, etc. But you do not literally play as Laura in it. In fact, you see Laura in Seasons, outside of the window and elsewhere.

As of now, we know there are 2 ways you get turned into a CS. 1) is during memory extrction, 2) is if you die and your body/memory is given to the lake or if you die as sacrifice to the lake.

[hidden ledge]

Do the events of the cave happen before dale gets stuck on the elevator(in birthday and theatre)?

[polar warren]

well, he appears to already be in the lake by that point

[hidden ledge]

I think after the end of case 23 he got down to the white cube room. Then they gave him the golden cube and he started going up. There are some problems tho. Mr. Crow needed the elexir in the cave so how is he in his crow form when he takes Dale from the chapel.

[polar warren]

hmmm idk, maybe something happened cause he originally drank it with william right?

[hidden ledge]

It seems that it keeps you imortal but after some period of time you need to drink again to stay alive. The same happened with the Eilanders. They got imortality but they still had to make sacrifices after a period of time. I think that even if you are running low on the elexir you can still turn into the animal form.

[vague imp]

Awww. I don’t know how to feel about someone shooting down my theory lmao

You a different character each game tho. The bird. The man. The corrupted soul. Almost as if someone has this other being outside of them. I think that the game is having different perspectives to make the story line more confusing/different sides of the story. The bird is near the lake due to the hole made by the other bird. How did the bird get in this box you ask? Someone maybe put it there. And maybe since the bird is near the lake. It is about to go inside if it to die.

ahhhh. Someone drank the elixir in Harvey’s box and that’s why the fish and the bird are there??? Coincidence that those animals appear in the mirror inside of samsara???

[hidden ledge]

I think you are saying that we think the elxir is the answer to everithing. It's not like that. It's just that when people can turn into animals it's most likely the elexir because of how it works

[vague imp]

No. It could be they used the shrine thing

Idk

My theories are always a stretch

What if they all are connected to 1 person

I feel like they are connected to not Laura but the man

[polar warren]

imagine climbing inside william to pray or smth... no wait... please dont

[vague imp]

What

what

Are u talking about

i cant unsee it now

Who’s William

[polar warren]

oh no ._.'

[vague imp]

Who

Who was the guy in the artist box game

[polar warren]

artist box? arles?

[vague imp]

Arles

Yes

He do be kinda cute tho

I kin him lmao

[polar warren]

Vincent van Goch

[vague imp]

Ahhhh

Nope never mind

[polar warren]

?

[vague imp]

Do u think he’s cute

But why was it that halfway in his ear u turn from normal to CS. Personally I feel like this CS does stuff that the human forms can’t do. For instance going back in time and changing your past. Or even just like going into the ear of this man

[polar warren]

just a quick question: you know he was a real artist right?

who cut off his ear

and i think gifted it to a girl he liked

[vague imp]

No

I forgot

He’s not hot anymore

Ok

[polar warren]

he was poor and depressed

[vague imp]

The guy he was in the game was hot

[polar warren]

ok?

[vague imp]

I want his ear

[polar warren]

._.

[vague imp]

I feel like the shrimp is in every game to symbolize life

[spice frigate]

just a suggestion but before theorizing, just play all games first.

[vague imp]

Liao

Lmaow

Why doesn’t anyone like my theories

Lmao

They shrimp is in EVERY game

Let’s ask the creator the story line lmao

[ocean gazelle]

cuz shrimp epic

[vague imp]

Yeah

[vague imp]

ah

<@&358613639554400258> [[sorry for pinging you all so much today aaaa but idk this is really..allowed here?]]

[covert wyvern]

That's dipping into politics again.

I'll be deleting it.

Tahnks Ghostly.

thanks*

[vague imp]

no probs

but really sorry for pinging you all so much today

[covert wyvern]

Nah.

it's what we're here for ;p

[vague imp]

Have an question

Who killed Laura?

Her dark soul?

[covert wyvern]

that's a good question! my personal theory is that her dark corrupted soul, or in this case Williams, ended up killing her, so she basically committed suicide because she had a corrupted soul in her body,

that must be rough.

[vague imp]

My theory is that that dark soul are all bad things and thrpere are a lot them

And the white cubes are all positives things

And dark cubes create dark souls that are bad things and bad memories

I dont know that is correct

But its my opinion

[vivid marten]

(spoilering bc i noticed people who havent played all the games have been in this channel) my theory for it is ||laura did commit suicide herself, but the games showing the corrupted soul killing her is symbolic rather than literal, as its only seen during portions that involve time travel/cubes (in seasons, when the explicit goal is to change the past via cubes, and in paradox where the killer could be either laura's corrupted soul or dale's depending on which timeline is active (thus the paradox)). additionally in paradox chapter 2, it seemed like laura had made peace with her own death: in the one must live/one must die deal with dale, she makes it clear that dale is the one who must live - this may be an extention of her suicidal ideation||

[vague imp]

Yes

That what i wanted

Thanks buddy

And i have 1 morw uqestion

Who are we in cube escape seasons?

Robert Hill?

He been in a white door

Ans he was with Laura that died

We play as ||Laura|| if you watch the mirror in the ending

Oh

Okay thanks all!

Goodnight all!

See ya next time!

[vague imp]

Wait

I feel like this corrupted soul is this being above us that controls us. The corrupted soul murdered the lady inside of the moon. But the lady and the CS where the same person at one point. Inside of Seasons you are taking a perspective of this woman at first but then and you get further into the game the mirror shows this CS. Another thing I noted it’s that if you look in the mirror in ares after you go in the ear... surprise it’s the CS. And at the end of this samsara you see that it’s ||you inside of this white box|| meaning this could be that you are playing the games in these white boxes you collect every game. Which means you are in a infinite loop of being stuck in these boxes that when you solve you go into a new one and you are free but then you get put into a new character the next game

It’s a Stretch

Like all my theories

And I don’t know why u guy read them still😂

[atomic mirage]

Well there is a reason we say Laura "killed herself" when referring to the CS that "kills" Laura symbolically. But keep in mind there is more than 1 CS. The CS is not a single character/entity.

I'm Samsara you're playing as Laura's soul, possibly before it becomes Laura. I won't say more bc it spoils The game Roots.

But you're taking it too literally with "you are playing the games in these white boxes you collect every game".

The White cubes are memories, particularly good ones while the black cubes are bad memories. When you're "inside" them, you're basically reliving these memories.

[vague imp]

What about The guy prisoner and killed by a rope

He turned into that soul

I don’t think that is Laura. I think they are made to haunt the character. These creatures are hunting the people. The main character always runs into this thing anyways in every game

The characters are simply escaping these CS.

If they get them you restart the level and change your past....

They are always killing characters or like inside of them. They are just in the game to scare/act as something that will prevent you from winning instantly.

[atomic mirage]

No, not always.

[vague imp]

Ahhh

Why are all my theories being attacked

Lmao

I’m joking

Arena Ehats your theory

When’s the Q and A

[atomic mirage]

No one's attacking, just replying with their own knowledge of the lore. You said before that you haven't played all the games, other ppl in this thread have so we've just been chiming in with what we know & our own theories.

The CS in Samsara is/will become Laura. And you play as it. At other points in time (other games), The CS that chases Dale & the one you run from in The Lake, and the one in The Mill (also Laura) are hostile, yes. Sometimes they're hostile and other times they aren't. Part of what makes them hostile is because of the painful memories the person had when they were alive.

[vague imp]

Ik I was joking

So the black cubes

Does that mean when your in the game your not transforming your hair going into a different memory

Also the guy in the boat in case 23, the bird in Harvey and the man in birthday are the same

Right

[atomic mirage]

The CS are also usually confused & don't know what's happening, or don't realize they died & have been turned into a CS, as you can see from the games when you play as them. So my other theory is that sometimes they don't mean to harm anyone but they do anyway.

You mean the old guy wearing a hat?

[vague imp]

Yes

Who turns into the raven

[atomic mirage]

Yeah he's Mr Crow in human form

[vague imp]

Human form

They have different forms

Who’s the fish

WAIT IS THE GUY IN HARVEY not harvey just a reincarnation of a man

[atomic mirage]

He's uhh... You gotta play Roots to know who he was in the past

[vague imp]

Im new to theories

[atomic mirage]

Mr Crow's origin is in Roots, Mr Owl's in Paradise

[vague imp]

I probably sound dumb

I’m too broke lmao

Can they all have a true form

Or I guess evolve

[atomic mirage]

I think the game suggests that they can appear in human form

Many believes the manager guy in white door is mr owl in human form, and the old dude in the mill is def mr Crow.

[vague imp]

Can u ask the creators for info

Or do they not say anything in interviews

[atomic mirage]

I dunno but some stuffs you can tell pretty accurately from the games

[vague imp]

Are they religious

Why do they like making it so weird so much lmao

[atomic mirage]

You don't gotta be religious to be into making complex lore myths lol

[vague imp]

No

[atomic mirage]

But they probably smoked something. I want whatever they were smoking.

[vague imp]

Ik

What lore

[atomic mirage]

The games

[vague imp]

Ah

[vague imp]

oml this is so confusing AaaAA does anyone just have like a comprehensive summary of what the heck is happening

[covert wyvern]

I think there's some videos on youtube

but I havent really looked into it

[vague imp]

👍🏻

I can explain my theory

Can we name our theories

yes

Wyyy

yeas explain ur theory

Welcome to my:CS control you theory. They are these Memories. They come out of the lake after your memories are thrown in the lake[mill]. So this rusty lake is collecting these memories of there people and some of them are bad some are good, it’s like making cookies with spoiled milk, they turn into bad cookies. Anyways people have this CS that follows them and some of them want to kill them and some don’t. Laura killed her sled bc of depression and you can see inside of the Russian dolls[case23] she has a knife to her throat.

hmm what about those animal head dudes

they literally murdered dales family

but then he travels to the past and undoes it and then kills mr rabbit

In birthday

yeah

Where they black?

so is mr rabbit actually killed or ??

is this the man

no, it was mr rabbit

A human killed the people?

and in the alternate ending after dale travels back in time, grandpa shoots mr rabbit with a gun

but which is the path that is the one were supposed to follow? does mr rabbit actually die or is that just an extra ending

Idk why there is animals

I never played that yet

i heard that they are ppl who are drinking the elixer and are actual ppl from a LONG time ago but are wearing animal masks

and the point is to make the elixir or smthing

but literally in cube escape :cave they say the the elixer is made from dog poop so

why kill all those people? and apparently they also extract memories from ppl by scaring them or smthing to come to the rusty lake place a place to "empty the mind" BUT LITERALLY they take their memories annd store them in cubes

what is the point of that?

||wlixer is our of a old man vomit||

aAaA waht

also william is laura and laura is the rebirthed version of william

right? but she gets murdered too

Wait, they never drank this elixir they maybe used this thing in Sana’a jar

and turns into a corrupted soul bc her memories were black cubes or something

What who’s William

Wow

the dude that fell out of the clock in samsara room

U know a lot

That’s William

0-0 thank you but i do not understand AHAHAHA

Wait, wait wait

i hope rusty lake just makes an explanation video or website

Is William

What does he look like

old man

XD lol idek

Play Roots

No original

Stop, I don’t wanna spend money lmao

each game is like in the perspective of a different character right? which one is samsara room in?

The corrupted soul

like ik case 23 was in dale's and same with paradox

but whos corrupted soul?

lauras?

And he turns into other animals curropted soul

aaa seriously i want rusty lake to just make an explanation video

this is so confusing 0-0

[spice frigate]

Again, I suggest theorizing after you've completed playing all the games or at least watched playthrough from youtubers.

[vague imp]

but my money :'((

im broke

Wait, who’s re u talking to

Watch the walkthrough

Ima watch a speed run

Lmao

XD

ok

[spice frigate]

people in general, if you can't pay, you don't have to, there are non-commentary/commentary playthroughs you can watch

[vague imp]

true true

but like

is there a website

where all this information is organized

and makes sense

like a timeline or a eplanation

[spice frigate]

timeline? yes, on wiki

https://rusty-lake.fandom.com/wiki/Timeline

[vague imp]

yay!

thank you

[covert wyvern]

God that

I feel we need to yeet roots and paradise in thete

And samsara, and the white door

[vague imp]

omygerd I just realized so basically to resurrect william as laura he went through samsara room as a corrupted soul and the baby u see at the end is laura who he has resurrected as AAAAAAAa

[covert wyvern]

Yes.

Yes very well done

LMAO

[vague imp]

ikr im so proud :')

Inside the mill... we extract Laura memory and put it in the lake and that might have been the creation of the thing that killed her ins radon’s

Seasons

Wait, ahhhh that makes so much Seinfeld

Since

[covert wyvern]

Laura dies before the mill, and is already possessed from the moment samsara room is completed.

[vague imp]

That’s why in the book in cave it says the reborn mind

[covert wyvern]

id have to replay cave to answer that question.

[vague imp]

The elixir turned the man into a CA but turned the guy into a crow

That is true

[covert wyvern]

Ye im very unsure about the animal forms of the family members,

but I assume that's a byproduct of immortality?

[vague imp]

Like a side effect

[covert wyvern]

indeed.

[vague imp]

The guy in the suit t-posed over the detectives body in mill!

[vague imp]

Omg we extracted Th e cube that had the memory

[polar warren]

Yes... Cubes have memories... That's why they're called memory cubes

[pulsar gale]

guys which cube scape or rusty lake should I play first? Is there an order to complete the games?? I rememer 1 year ago playing some games but dont remember much so maybe I can restart and enjoy it more

[ocean gazelle]

go to #📚｜resources and scroll up

[vague imp]

omg i really want to get rusty lake hotel but im broke

[vague imp]

Theater and birthday have the same beginning

[polar warren]

Well ye, he in the lake

[vague imp]

My theory is dale saved his parents because he needed them in the future and he altered his memory

[polar warren]

And my theoty is that his parents didn't die. This never actually happened but Mr rabbit needed a piece from his past life perhaps to continue his samsara. After all, the lake is said to be changing his memories

I dont have proof that the lake changes his memories though... I don't remember what game it was

But I can check

HA

[atomic mirage]

Yeah from what I understand, he never really changed the actual past Literally. Instead it's his memories that gets changed and altering his memories of the past also changes his present & future.

The whole concept is about memories, dream, and surrealism instead of actual, literal time travel.

His parents might have died, but they might not have been massacred by a gunman like in his memories. It's hard to tell what actually happened because the literal truth is trivial compared to the memories of what happened.

[tall kraken]

Never seen this before... also Dale takes Bobs memories so Bob get corruped... Never noice that ^^"

[polar warren]

Where's that? Theater?

[tall kraken]

yes

[vague imp]

Bc bloody marry

[tall kraken]

Bob is at toilette and this is what you get if you tap on his place

[solid haven]

If I remember correcrly, Dale only took Bob's good memories (white cubes), so maybe it means more like “Why did you take all my happy memories with Laura, now I only have the pain and sorrow left to dwell upon”

[atomic mirage]

The White Door also took his memories tough, esp the ones about Laura. Well, they tried. I guess depending on which ending is canon they might not have taken all of them.

[solid haven]

Indeed, and?

[vivid marten]

this is a little too half-baked to be a full theory but i noticed that mr rabbit has brown hands despite his white face in cube escape: birthday. the animal-headed folks usually have hands that match their animal head, and in hotel mr rabbit had brown hands, which means he probably is still the regular brown mr rabbit despite his white face. on top of that, the rabbit mask david wears in rusty lake: paradise is white, and the white rabbit head in birthday and hotel (and other places?) is slightly fuzzy around the edges the same way a corrupted soul is - it could be that his face being white is a result of reconciling part of his previous lives' memories and forms, since in birthday mr rabbit is aware that he's trapped in a state of between-ness implied to be what all souls must transverse via the lake in order to achieve some kind of enlightenment

[tall kraken]

No... Dale took 4 white and 1 black cube

[pliant plaza]

Okay so serious question. Is samsara about the enlightening of Mr. Crow or is it his brother? In the original version it seems like it's for Mr. Crow, but now in the new version seems like it's for his brother (I forgot their names) maybe both are for one brother each?

[polar warren]

well samsara is probably about || the reincarnation of William (mr crow's (Aldous's) brother) ||

[covert wyvern]

I second this ^

[pliant plaza]

I assume the new version correct?

[covert wyvern]

I think both, tbh.

[pliant plaza]

How do I do the censor thing

[covert wyvern]

use || in front and

|| at the back

of your message

[pliant plaza]

Ah okay, thank you

[covert wyvern]

Like this! || hi ||

[pliant plaza]

I feel like the original version doesn't go to ||the reincarnation of William|| but instead goes to ||the enlightening of Aldous to become Mr. Crow||

Like.. Hold up I gotta get my computer and get the original up

[covert wyvern]

Sounds good;)

[pliant plaza]

OH COME ON WHY MUST IT DO AN UPDATE NOW?! 🤣

Okay let me try to explain it

So in the original ||In the last "chapter" of the game we're in what I like to call a dark world, we've obviously became a bird humanoid and we're getting out of the room. So when we do we see the cube and the cube becomes the room, ending words are "I am enlightened"||

[covert wyvern]

That's very fair.

[pliant plaza]

In the new version ||we don't go to a dark world once we've gotten to the bird humanoid state. It's the day to night process. When we get the baby and go through the portal, there is no end text of "I am enlightened" it goes to the "birth" of Laura Vanderboom and the reincarnation of William Vanderboom.||

So I think there's 2 samsaras going on in this lore

One for each brother

[covert wyvern]

ye it makes sense, actually!

very good observation.

[pliant plaza]

Woo!

I do miss this line from the original when ||the dead body comes out of the clock|| and it says ||"WTF A DEAD BODY?!"||

[covert wyvern]

lmao me too

[pliant plaza]

I think I first played the game when I was like.. 8 or maybe 11? I'm 19 now so I'm not sure😂

[covert wyvern]

ahahha ye I feel you.

[pliant plaza]

I finally got the game running and thankfully found the original

Oh, excuse me the quote is ||"WTF a dead big fat body!?"||

But yeah he doesn't look anything like the brothers

Can we put pictures on here?

[covert wyvern]

Ehhh if you spoiler tag em if they contain spoiler, and contain things that explain your theory,

by all means!

[pliant plaza]

How do I spoiler tag them?

[pliant plaza]

Well yes I know for the texting part

Thank you though

[polar warren]

i dont know how to spoiler immages on phone

[vague imp]

You cant

On phone

[polar warren]

oof

[covert wyvern]

I need

one of those screenshots

LOL

[pliant plaza]

what about computer? im on that for discord now

[spice frigate]

ooh images
sorry, I sort of didn't understood this

And on computer, you will have this box to check like "Spoiler?" I think

[polar warren]

on pc when youre about to post an immage...

[covert wyvern]

gyes!

Like this.

[pliant plaza]

Aight, give me a min

[spice frigate]

Oh no, not badger from Ace Attorney--

[covert wyvern]

[polar warren]

I feel useless

[covert wyvern]

You're doing great Laura, thanks.

[pliant plaza]

See? Looks nothing Like ||William or Aldous||

If anything he looks a bit like ||Mr. Owl||

[polar warren]

i was about to say that

[pliant plaza]

Let me see if i can find a picture of ||Mr. Owl||

[polar warren]

i guess you'd have to play cave for a bit or scroll to a specific time in the walkthrough

[pliant plaza]

True

found one from ||Paradox||

he is kind of a big man

[polar warren]

big mayne

[covert wyvern]

Isn't this the same man as the doctor in white door?

or?

am I seeing things, LOL

[pliant plaza]

1 sec

[covert wyvern]

I mean

UNCANNY

[pliant plaza]

there was something else too..maybe the final level for ||The White door? and i mean the very last one||

only thing i could find

[covert wyvern]

ahaha me n the boys.

[spice frigate]

|| Mr. Owl be looking for beans. Alright wrong chat ik but this fits||

[pliant plaza]

OKAY SO IM AT THE FINAL "CHAPTER" IN THE ORIGINAL

first ||The bird Bois||

Original

New

They both have similarites yes

but the original, in my opinion ||Looks more like a crow||

the new looks a bit different..maybe because oh the head shape

[covert wyvern]

I think theyre identical, but the new ones HIGH RES haha.

[pliant plaza]

||The room becomes a cube, not the other way around||

now here's the kinda related scene

[covert wyvern]

tthat IS fascinating, in this one we're breaking em down.

[covert wyvern]

I guess.

[pliant plaza]

and it ends with

[covert wyvern]

I mean the idea here truly is that we're being reicarnated as laura right?

[pliant plaza]

Yes

So i say the original is for Aldous, the new is for William

[covert wyvern]

that makes sense, ye.

[pliant plaza]

2 similar but different ending samsaras

now here's my biggest question

||WTF IS MR OWL DOING IN ALDOUS' IF THAT ACTUALLY IS HIM?!||

i mean dont get me wrong, i think it might be because of who they were close with, but the new one ||has the dead body look like William so we can get the heart So i guess William was close to nobody???||

[polar warren]

i cant remember the secret ending of Roots || did Aldous say something about mr owl when he turned into a crow?||

[pliant plaza]

Maybe?

[polar warren]

|| also I really liked how his human voice still echoed through when he turned into Mr crow ||

[pliant plaza]

Yes he does

||I have to leave now, Mr. Owl needs me||

[polar warren]

Ah

|| so he knew of Mr owl already ||

[pliant plaza]

Yes

[polar warren]

Mini theory: ||Caroline and Jakob didn't both reincarnate into Mr owl. Caroline reincarnated and Jakob was every sacrifice. Think about it, he was a perfectly fine human being with every limb the Vanderbooms used for their reincarnation||

And while I was on the toilet I also came to another kinda stupid and unimportant theory XD: ||so... What if reincarnation are also gender swaps. It happens both times, with William and with caroline||

[vague imp]

Cool theory

Second one too xDD

[tight geyser]

Theory, can Rose know about , Frank kill his father, can she knowing about the tree kill Frank and Leonard?

[solar wing]

So in the secret ending of CE: Paradox, does that mean that it turned out that Dale became enlightened and actually murdered Laura all along? I was confused by it.

Theory: Albert is a demented psychopath because the first thing he drank was blood.

Or was it wine... Either way, that's why I think he became a demented psychopath.

[vague imp]

ok xD

[tight geyser]

@solar wing Yes he drank blood, at all strange where the barrel of blood come here from!? But I think that Albert become psychotic because of the fact that he was badly bullied abd he decided to take revenge on them.

[vague imp]

Well actually that wasn't blood

[solar wing]

Nah, it was definitely the blood. And maybe a little bit of bullying, but he was always kind of a jerk.

[vague imp]

it was wine

[solar wing]

Ok, then wine.

Either way, WHO GIVES THEIR BABY WINE AS SOON AS THEY EXIT THE WOMB???

[vague imp]

Fetal alcohol spectrum disorder surely likely [idk if it works outside the womb but i assume it does]

[solar wing]

I got no sleep last night, because I was busy playing the white door and looking at Rusty lake memes.

My theory:
Cube escape and rusty lake games are just too good and I can't be looking at memes app night.

*all

[tight geyser]

I think , Mary is strange, because he do Albert wine

[vague imp]

actually back in the day it was normal do give babies wine

it would shut them up

[solar wing]

That's messed up.

[tight geyser]

Sorry I am grom Russia , my english is not best

[vague imp]

That's the thing, but it happened

[solar wing]

Good night guys. I need sleep.

[vague imp]

Night

[tight geyser]

Bye

[pliant plaza]

@polar warren He had to leave because his mother was going to be sacrificed in place of him. And in paradox it's pretty obvious they redesigned Mr. Owl to look like an older version of Jakob. I don't think Caroline reincarnated.

[uneven flicker]

I thought the Lake chosed both Jakob's 'body' and Caroline's 'mind'. So I think Mr. Owl is the result of the combination of the two.

[tight geyser]

+, I think this too J_

[hidden ledge]

I just reialized that when vincent van gogh suecides he leaves a white cube because he was depressed and death was a good thing for him

[polar warren]

and black and white cubes arent only good and bad memories...

[vague imp]

White cubes are good things and Black one are bad memories

Oh

[polar warren]

but also

[vague imp]

Always slower

Lmao

[vague imp]

Like in birthday

Dales cube was black

Bc he needed to change past that was bad for him

[polar warren]

but that all probably didnt hapen

[hidden ledge]

Bc he needed to change past that was bad for him
@vague imp i don't think his parents actually died because of mr rabbit

[polar warren]

yeah, the lake is changing his memories

[hidden ledge]

or died at all\

[vague imp]

He

Ye

But that's how Black cubes work

With some bad things

[hidden ledge]

maybe it's black because he got a bad present

[polar warren]

maybe its black because mr rabit as a corrupted soul enter the memory

[hidden ledge]

maybe it's black because everyone uses him to give them stuff

[pliant plaza]

I think it's black because he didn't like the birthday rabbit his parents called to suprise him

[orchid needle]

Can someone explain how detective Vandameer (not sure if that’s how you spell it) ended up in the rusty lake hotel from the ending of the cave

Sorry not the hotel

Paradox

[pliant plaza]

@orchid needle have you played the other games?

[orchid needle]

Yea @pliant plaza

All the free ones

[pliant plaza]

So basically at the end of case 23 Dale says something about becoming one with the lake, next game is the Mill where we see Mr. Owl is with Dale at the Chapel before bringing the storm to Mr. Crow from what I assume it's preparing his mind to enter the lake. Next game after that is hotel (next is a spoiler I suggest not reading it if you haven't played any if the premium ones such as Hotel, Roots, Paradise, Chapter 2 of Paradox, and The White Door) ||At the end of hotel after taking with Mr owl and looking at the cubes we see ourselves in a very foggy forest, after a bit we see an elevator that on closer inspection has Dale inside of it, heading to the hotel|| next games after are Birthday then Theatre where we take a look at Dale's memories which are being changed because of the cubes. After that is roots (not much there) then the cave where you would have seen Dale and give him the golden cube @orchid needle

Basically you seeing him in the Cave is the help him continue on his journey to the hotel of rusty lake.

Any other things that aren't theories should be taken to #🩸｜general-chat since none of what I put above are theories

[solid haven]

To actually answer OoglyBooglyDoogly's question, Paradox most likely takes place in Dale's mind while he is connected to the machine we see in Cave

[uneven flicker]

Same thought with Scholock. It's defenitely in his mind, where actually he's in the cave, winter, 1972, where Aldous is extracting golden cube using Laura and Dale.

[uneven flicker]

And I often think about four 'seasons' these days... I'd like to think each character/event connecting with their birth season/where it happened:

•spring: Laura (spring/1935)
•summer: Robert(06/07/1931)
•fall: where Laura died in 1971
•winter: Dale(18/12/1930)

[uneven flicker]

So it's like Laura's seasons: Spring is where Laura was born. Leonard and Frank's deaths completed the reincarnation with those ten sacrifices. It's the intersect of blooming a new life and the end of breaths.

And summer is where Laura and Bob were together. There was love, too. I think Bob himself could be Laura's summer, where Laura feel relaxed and loved.
But I think she also felt anxiety too. According to Summer, 1971 - Cube Escape: Seasons, she found out writing on the wall through the telescope that she would be died, and her state of mind wasn't steady. So she said goodbye to Bob. That's the end of their summer.

So, in the fall, 1971, she was found to be dead(or murdered). It's like the leaves that were blooming in the summer finally fell down to the ground and wither away. But this season is also where Dale knew about Laura and Rusty Lake. And he wanted to learn more about them.

So, here we are, winter in 1972. Where both Dale and Laura struggles to find the right choices to become the new future of the lake. It's cold and poor season, but it's also where the golden cube finally is made by the two of them. And during those courses I think they finally meet each other in Paradox, bcs in my personal opinion their memories could be mixed when Aldous activated the machines that extract the golden cube. ||So it's no surprise that Dale and Laura meets each other in Paradox chapter 2(the mind of the FUTURE).|| And after all that they've been through, they slowly learned who they truly are and what they should become - ||the successors of the lake.||

And... of course Paradox mentioned that "One will find death, the other enlightenment" and in the secret ending we can realize that ||it's Dale that sacrifices himself(and that's his fate) and Laura opened her eyes in the lake. But I don't think that's the all. Because... both Vandermeer and Vanderboom were chosed even before they were reborn. And there must be the reason why the Lake chosed both of them. So I think Laura becomes the reborn of the mind by Dale's sacrifice, and then Dale would revive again because he chosed to sacrifice. He found the right answer. I think Laura would wake him up or smth, maybe. And they would together become the future of the lake.||

[orchid needle]

Thanks @solid haven and @pliant plaza that’s very helpful cause I didn’t know that the premium games tied into the story so now I’m just going to watch walk throughs cause I’m poor😅

[pliant plaza]

They aren't that much on the app stores (last I knew) but the walkthrough cover them as well. I think it's more fun playing them than watching someone do so @orchid needle, but that's my opinion, anyways have a nice day!

[orchid needle]

K thanks

[vague imp]

Major Hotel and Paradise Spoilers! ||did mr. owl have harvey kill all his guests out of revenge?||

[solid haven]

It was most likely one of his motives

The other being to gather memories for the Lake

[vague imp]

but basically they more or less ||had it coming lol||

right?

like they are all generally ||horrible "people" besides||

[broken rune]

@vague imp I don’t think || Harvey killed them all since Mr owl at the end the game refer Harvey as third person and Harvey had been attacked by them and turned into a tiny parrot and flew away (cube escape birthday secret) || maybe there is other person who do those massacres ?

[solid haven]

Harvey was attacked by them afterwards; we play as him through the entirety of Hotel, and mr Owl referring to us as Harvey (in 3rd person) is supposed to reveal that

[vague imp]

Ok so this is a strange theory but what if everyone who a "animal human hybrid" in Rusty Lake suffers from lycanthropic intermetamorphosis

its a rare disease that makes you think you're an animal [like a werewolf for an example]

https://www.livescience.com/44875-werewolves-in-psychiatry.html
gonna like you all an article about it [because it explains more than i can ever]

of course despite it being called after wolves/dogs/werewolves it can fit any animal so yes everyone at the lake eventually become so ..delusional they think they are animals despite being humans, in reality of course feel free do debunk/discuss it , im interested in what you all think.

[solid haven]

How would that explain their appearance?

[vague imp]

ah thats another similar disease hold on lemme look the name up

Clinical lycanthropy is defined as a rare psychiatric syndrome that involves a delusion that the affected person can transform into, has transformed into, or is, an animal.

[solid haven]

You mean that the illness makes you think others are capable of that, right?

[vague imp]

maybe it could be only those elightened can see those people as their demigod form?

like normal people will just see them as a person in a mask? idk

[vague imp]

Yesyes lets say they like take the persons personality and stick it onto a animal stereotype like

A lazy person would be a sloth
A smart person would be a owl
Someone who laughs a lot would be a hyena.etc.etc
Take note these aren't how animals act in nature [obvi] but through animated movies/books.etc

[vague imp]

I'm owl and i am stupid af

[polar warren]

A lazy person would be a sloth
A smart person would be a owl
An idiot who eats everything would be a boar cough

[vague imp]

XD yes..for example..

[polar warren]

cough cough || boar shit sandwich ||

[vague imp]

xDD

[vague imp]

i honestly think everyone at the lake is delusional lowkey it is a place for mental health, so i believe the more surreal things we see, in game is all something made up by their minds

[solid haven]

We all are

[solid haven]

Whoever deleted the messages I actually answered to with that, I'm not sure whether to be grateful or angered

[pure rose]

@solid haven a person might have left the server.

[solid haven]

Their message would still be there in that case, only through a ban could they have had been deleted

[pure rose]

Well, there was no ban

But leave it

[solid haven]

Ok

[vast thorn]

||minecraft is the best||

[hollow comet]

username checks out

[uneven flicker]

@vast thorn This channel is for discussing theories about Rusty Lake games. Anything that is offtopic goes to #🛖｜the-cabin.

[hollow raptor]

I personally think they had a third unnamed sibling who was a parent of James, but Aldous is a possible candidate

yeahm that's why I said I personally think, as so far neither Aldous has been proven to be the father, and no other sibling has been mentioned
so both is possible so far

harvey is probably the queen elizabeth of rusty lake
they were just
there
from the start, and no one knows why

It could be, as we know nothing about them pretty much anything could be possible

[uneven flicker]

I think Harvey is the eye of the Lake. Harvey always watches everything in anytime. And he also delivers message. So I thought he is kinda Hermes.

[vague imp]

Like from owl or crow to dale

And he gives info to a Dale

From crow

[uneven flicker]

Good point. I just thought that Bird trios work for the lake. So I think Harvey, in the end, works for her too.

[vague imp]

For laura she works too i think ye

Cause of paradox scene

[uneven flicker]

Well, but I think the Birds are working just fine. Their business and trust shouldn't collapse, because they are the chosen ones that the Lake chosed.

[vague imp]

Oh ye

Bc paradox is Dale mind

Like birthday

[covert wyvern]

I don't believe paradox to be in any real location.

[vague imp]

Ye bc this is Dale mind

[uneven flicker]

Aha I get the point. Yes. their methods and positions are quite different.

[vague imp]

Like birthday

When Dale comed to lake his mind was in Paradox

@novel comet cake hint is trickiest xDD

[uneven flicker]

And yes, Paradox is Dale's mind, and the outside of his mind is winter, 1972, Cube Escape: The Cave where Mr. Crow is extracting the golden cube from hin and Laura.

Right. It looks like sum of his memories including Birthday, Case23...

[vague imp]

Yes indeed

[uneven flicker]

Yeah I think so too

And unlike Cube Escape: Birthday, this Birthday(the mind of his past) shows the event that might be actually closer to what had happened in 1939. Cube Escape one was exaggerated, too many weird things happened. Also Aldous Vanderboom appeared as Dale's grandfather which is not true. I don't think it's true because he is Vanderboom and Dale is Vandermeer.

[vague imp]

I dont think that scene in birthday was real

It was bad beacause of black cube

Black cubes are bad memories and white are good ones

[uneven flicker]

Yeah probably

Like, who knows, Caroline Eilander could be actually Caroline Vandermeer. But no one knows by far til' the official confirms.

you mean, in real?

[upper drift]

So birthday happened for real right??

I think it did happen

Coz that's where Mr.Owl communicated for the first time

With Vandermeer

And Owl wanted to somehow link Dale with Laura (reincarnation of William)

I think

[vague imp]

Birthday is not real

Like cave and paradox

[upper drift]

Whoa.... That was my favourite game🥺

Dude caves should be real bro

It was Aldous and Mr Owl right?

[vague imp]

Cave is mind of Dale

[upper drift]

And what is the importance of Van Gogh in the story

Coz in Arles We're playing as Vincent Van Gogh

So I just read a fandom

Acc to that birthday did happen but there's an alternate timeline created where Dale kills Mr Rabbit

[uneven flicker]

I agree that The Birthday is not real. But I think Cave is the real place and Paradox is Dale's mind while he's in the cave with Laura during the golden cube extracting. Because when you start the game, it shows Aldous Vanderboom is standing at the cave, winter, 1972. Also we can simply find the cave in Rusty Lake map.

[upper drift]

I also personally think that Mr Owl is a guy with God syndrome

I agree that The Birthday is not real. But I think Cave is the real place and Paradox is Dale's mind while he's in the cave with Laura during the golden cube extracting. Because when you start the game, it shows Aldous Vanderboom is standing at the cave, winter, 1972. Also we can simply find the cave in Rusty Lake map.
@uneven flicker Whoa bday isn't real?!

That sucks

But then Mr Rabbit didn't come for his family?

[vague imp]

Cave is dale mind too but place is teal

[upper drift]

Bro in the cave game We're playing as Aldous vanderboom aka Mr crow

That's how we helped Aldous get the memories from below the lake

[vague imp]

Ohhh ye

Im stupid

xDDDDDD

[uneven flicker]

Right. He defenitely killed Dale's parents in 1939 when it was Dale's ninth birthday. But I think Cube Escape: The Birthday is somehow exaggerated. But yes, the birthday massacre event itself happened.

[vague imp]

Sry im drunk guys

[upper drift]

Right. He defenitely killed Dale's parents in 1939 when it was Dale's ninth birthday. But I think Cube Escape: The Birthday is somehow exaggerated. But yes, the birthday massacre event itself happened.
@uneven flicker Ohh

Btw... The killer is the guy from Hotel right?

The magician

[vague imp]

Yes

[uneven flicker]

Yes...Mr. Rabbit(aka D. Eilander)

[upper drift]

Who had his memories extracted

[vague imp]

He is in roots too ye?

[upper drift]

Yes

I personally feel the Hotel guys deserved their deaths

They were so pompous

Specially the boar

But coming back to the point

Theatre is definitely fake right?

Fake~in his mind

[uneven flicker]

I think it would be... But I'm not sure. ||Since The White Door shows Theatre too...|| But Cube Escape: Theatre confirmed that it's in Dale's mind by the line "Welcome to the Theatre of your mind." So I think it would be more accurate to consider the place as virtual place(Dale's mind).

[upper drift]

Yes. And I bet he knows Bob because of his investigation in case 23

Where it all started for Dale

[uneven flicker]

Right. He knows about Robert Hill.

[upper drift]

After all Bob was Laura's ex

And I think Arles is just seeing an example right

setting*

How Van Gogh escaped his fate of being a corrupted soul by using the blue cube

*black cube, sorry

[polar warren]

Wait... That old lady from the mill... I totally forgot about her... She's James's mom right? Cause she seems like Aldous's wife and since William is James's uncle Aldous must be his dad... Which would probably make her his mom (unless James is an anclemy child like Rose)

[solid haven]

Yeh

[tight geyser]

@polar warren don't sink about Aldous, father James, but granny on a mill really wife Aldous , i think that

This custom

It's one!

No

It's not be true,. We see Albert's die

[vague imp]

i feel like im having a stroke reading this

yes we did see Albert die, he was buried

[tight geyser]

But, This costume, I don't know can Albert begin on mr Rabbit?

[vague imp]

Albert isn't Mr.Rabbit..

[tight geyser]

It's shock

[vague imp]

he was seen before he died

[tight geyser]

I don't know , but can Albert begin someone on antrapamorf

[vague imp]

Well

it's speculated he could be something in a animal form but if i remember correctly

no he hasn't had a animal form yet

[tight geyser]

Hm, its true,. Bu we know about Vanderboom soo small, Do u know about James or Mary or Frenk ?

[vague imp]

Yes i do i have played the game

We know little about the Vanderbooms rn, but same goes for half the families at the lake i guess maybe we will find out about them in a future game maybe

[tight geyser]

I hear about game , about Albert

This

[vague imp]

yes but it's not out yet, so it might take a while considering it's 3D and the last game came out only 1 month ago or so

[tight geyser]

And I hear about three game

[vague imp]

well yes but like i said it's not out yet, Albert hasn't showed up after Roots

i won't post spoilers here..XD

or the mods will behead me

[polar warren]

i feel like im having a stroke reading this
Same

[vague imp]

Okok so i think i cna finally translate the theory from yesterday

ahem

don't sink about Aldous, father James, but granny on a mill really wife Aldous , i think that
[i can't get the first part lol], but granny at the mill is really the wife of Aldous, i think that this costume it's the same [and then the person sorta makes a 180 turn] no it can't be true.
But this costume, i don't know can Albert be Mr.Rabbit?
and that's all i could get in a "normal sense"
It's shocking
I don't know but Albert being andromorphic?
Hm it's true, but we know about the Vanderbooms so little, do you know about James, Mary, Frank?
I hear about this game, about Albert and three other games

my brain literally shut down translating this and i think im gonna have a storke now

stroke*

[lyric perch]

Theory: Aldous Vanderboom = mr. Crow
William Vanderboom = The Woman/Laura Vanderboom
D. Eilander = mr. Owl

[solid haven]

Almost, Jakob is mr Owl, David is mr Rabit.

[fickle cedar]

Albert wore the deer's skull a couple of times, so if he were to be an animal, I would think he'd be Mr. Deer, not Mr. Rabbit

[solid haven]

Well, he isn't either.

[slender forge]

Can anyone make sense of this? I know this is the ritual used in Rusty Lake: Roots that makes Laura. The problem I have is with the Sanskrit in the top left. If I am reading it correctly it is saying "Man (mānuṣa) -> Hungry Ghost "(preta). Does this mean the ritual was always going to fail? Shouldn't it be the other way around?

The only reason why I would think that this was intentional was the scene in Rusty Lake: Cave. Both Laura and Dale were needed to make the golden cube.

[hidden ledge]

I think on dales birthday his parents really died. In paradox there is a newspaper article about the birthday how he is the only surviver

[vague imp]

Paradox is Dale mind

[slender forge]

The past isn't dead. It isn't even past. So I am guessing they survived due to the Blue Cube.

[hidden ledge]

Yea but i doubt that they gave him a cube making machene for a present

[solid haven]

I have to agree with Marti here; there most likely is no time travell in the Rusty Lake universe, only the ability to alter one's memories, in a sense reliving the past.

[hollow comet]

Mr Rabbit was trapped back with his family after Dale alterted his memories in Birthday

That means changing memories does change the past as well

[hidden ledge]

in the cave we see that mr rabbit is still there so he is not trapped

also i'm not sure if paradox is happening in dales mind. for sure something fishy is going on but the secret ending of chapter 2 dale goes to the elevator meaning that the paradox room might be a real place

[solid haven]

Perhaps he ‘woke up’ in a sense and then entered the elevator in reality.

[upper kraken]

Is The White Door clinic located in the Dark Town?(from cube escape-paradox map) Or maybe the next game will be in this place? I think The White Door is in the Dark Town, because it's near Theatre and the police station.

[hidden ledge]

the map is different in the 2 chapters so im not sure if the map is acurate

[upper drift]

Well Time travel does work right.. in the games

Otherwise seasons wouldn't have been possible

[covert wyvern]

I'm unsure if we should see the globe in paradox as a good map for the universe,

also the white doors Location seem to be in a pretty busy city.

so I wouldn;t describe it as a town Personally.

I think the only thing we can be sure of is the lake, lmao.

[upper drift]

By the way.. coming back to whats real and not... Case 23 ch 3 is real or is it in his mind?

Ch 3 being the Lake Cabin

[upper kraken]

ch was in the chapel

*ch 3

[upper drift]

Ok then I'm talkin about the part where we gotta escape in time

The Cabin

[upper kraken]

It was so stressfull!!

[solid haven]

Seasons can work without time travel, Laura could've just built a machine that can change her memories of what happened as opposed to actually changing reality.

[upper kraken]

I think it was in Dales mind

[solid haven]

Why?

[upper kraken]

I answered @upper drift question

[solid haven]

But why do you think so?

[upper kraken]

I didn't remembered well. It could be real

The old crow and I. Ok, not the young boy and crow :))

I thought that it happening in the past

[upper drift]

Seasons cannot be in Dales mind

It explains why this even started

After The Reincarnation of William Vanderboon

Vanderboom*

As Laura

[upper kraken]

What do you think about the connection between surnames Vanderboom and Vandermeer?

[upper drift]

Nothing

Just a coincidence Ig

[upper kraken]

I think the same

[solid haven]

Seasons is from Laura's perspective, of course it can't be in Dale's mind.

[upper drift]

Seasons is from Laura's perspective, of course it can't be in Dale's mind.
@solid haven correct

[lyric perch]

yeah

[uneven flicker]

I think it implies correlation between those two families. Vanderboom means 'from the tree' and Vandermeer means 'from the lake', we know it. And like, tree needs water to grow up and make flowers and fruits. So I think Dale's role is kind of that... water. And Laura is the tree that needs to grow up. Like, ||Dale sacrifices himself and Laura gets enlightenment.|| Kinda.

[upper drift]

Hmmm

Plus Dale is called the Traveller

[uneven flicker]

Right.

[upper drift]

And who da heck IS Mr Owl... is he a guy who is immortal, guy with a God Syndrome (ik I'm repeating the question a bit)!?

[solid haven]

Both.

[upper drift]

Like he thinks he can oversee all this madness

"The Enlightened" types

And Aldous does Mr Owl's bidding

[vague imp]

ah we can't say that without spoiling it

[solid haven]

He doesn't do a bad job at that per sé. So far his plan seems to be going relatively well.

[upper drift]

He doesn't do a bad job at that per sé. So far his plan seems to be going relatively well.
@solid haven hmm but to what bounds? Where does it end

I mean he's literally toying and screwing with Humanity.

[solid haven]

And he is succeeding.

[upper drift]

And I'm betting on the fact that Dale was put on case 23 indirectly by Mr.Owl

[upper kraken]

Dale will be the new ruler of the lake

I think

[upper drift]

Nah..., bruh Mr Owl has God syndrome, dont you see... he aint gonna allow anyone to rule the lake and its subsidiaries

[upper kraken]

If mr. Owl don't lie 🙂

Dale will reincarnate

[upper drift]

Dale will reincarnate
@upper kraken nooo whyyy... he hasnt had the Elixir

[solid haven]

Mr Owl is going to turn into a fish though. Not really a good position to rule from in my opinion.

[upper drift]

As far as I think.. the people who have had the Elixir must live on or reincarnate

Fish..?

Ok am I missin something here

[solid haven]

The ending of Paradox chapter 2. Not the secret one.

Well not the ending, before you leave the paradox room.

[upper drift]

Ohhk yeah... um not allowed to pay and play so I've only watched the Walmthorough

[solid haven]

Also, James just kinda died, so not necessarily.

[upper drift]

Also, James just kinda died, so not necessarily.
@solid haven oh true

Man it sucks to know that it all started with 2 brothers' dream of living on

Forever

[solid haven]

It started with a family's desire to create paradise and become immortal.

[upper drift]

Hmmm....

And is Mr. Owl one of those "Ancient Ones", I keep wondering

[solid haven]

Ancient ones?

[upper drift]

Coz we still dont have his backstory

[solid haven]

We do, he's Jakob whom we play as in Paradise.

[upper drift]

Ancient ones?
@solid haven well I mean "The Ones", those Deities who have "existed since time immemorial" types

But ig he isnt

[solid haven]

We don't see any of those kind featured in the games.

[upper drift]

Hmm true

[solid haven]

Although Harvey is most likely the oldest character.

He was there since Paradise and possibly before.

[upper drift]

Aah yess

Was he ever human?

[solid haven]

We don't really know.

His origin is relatively mysterious.

[upper drift]

Yes it is

[upper kraken]

He often appears with fish

(with mr Owl future)

[upper drift]

And I fail to understand Rusty lake's affection to shrimps and dung beetles/flies/ other insects

[solid haven]

Tasty.

[night forge]

Harvey is Dale.

[polar warren]

Interesting theory. I'm curious to know what made you come to that conclusion

[night forge]

It's been going around since I first joined this server. It started off as a comparison between the box and paradox.

[barren tree]

the are the player idk the name but.... the player soul? ;-;

idk theres maybe my theorie

[polar warren]

Aa I accidentally pressed send and can't deleted it

[vague imp]

lmao

[polar warren]

But they're called corrupted souls and you actually play as different characters in different games

Like as Dale in case 23 and as Aldous/Mr crow in cave

[upper drift]

Like as Dale in case 23 and as Aldous/Mr crow in cave
As Laura in seasons

[polar warren]

That is depatable

[upper drift]

How so?

Laura and her corrupted soul

In 1980 we were playin as her

[polar warren]

You don't know for sure it's her, there's no cold hard proof

[upper drift]

But Harvey was her pet right?

I mean if you think upon it

[vague imp]

Not only her

[upper drift]

Harveys box was his perspective during Laura's journey to the Lake

[polar warren]

It might have been a later design choice but Laura's corrupted version in cave has hair

[upper drift]

Hmmm

True

But methinks that seasons was Laura's game

And then a lot of games cut in in between that game

Coz timeline

[polar warren]

And then again in a few games we may never know what actually happened and what did not cause the lake can change memories

[upper drift]

And then again in a few games we may never know what actually happened and what did not cause the lake can change memories
@polar warren true

That I totally agree

But can we agree that Case 28 was when Dale started travelling in the elevator?

[vague imp]

case 23*

[upper drift]

After we escaped from that corrupted soul in time (phew😰 )

[polar warren]

I agree with that

[upper drift]

Sorry mistype.. Case 23

[polar warren]

That's when Dale descends into the lake

Or at least his mind

When is the mill in the time-line relative to the last part of case 23

[upper drift]

No Idea

But I think it was after 1970

Coz if you remember thats when she saw her own suicide in seasons

The Moon scene

[vague imp]

Ye

[upper drift]

And consequently she finished the crossword we did

In case 23, her house

And got an admission in Rusty Lake

Which brings to my mind two more things...

Who were we in Rusty Lake mill?

Mr Crow, I guess?

[covert wyvern]

I assume we were Cro-

yes.

[upper drift]

And point 2.. when Dale called up Rusty Lake as part of his investigation, someone said the place has already been occupied in the Rusty Lake mental health and Fishery...

The place is referred to Laura's soul right?

Rather than her physical self

[solid haven]

Yeh.

[night forge]

But, @upper drift , we see Laura in seasons with our own eyes, and we could have very well been bob.

[upper drift]

Bro in 1980 Bob wasnt the one with a

It was Laura

Because she took her own life

And Bob isn't a great highlight until White Door and Theatre

P.S.: Bob can be seen as corrupted in the end of Theatre(in Dale's mind, 'course)

[night forge]

And in Case 23 as well, don't forget

[pliant plaza]

We play as Laura in seasons. I don't think they started adding details to the until Case 23 with Deer. (because of the antlers) and when we see the level in seasons with the TV, that's the part where we start playing as her because it says in the news that a woman had committed suicide. Laura's is seeing what happened after the death (going to assume October 12th, 1971 because of the picture you have to put together). In the mill once again we see Laura's after killing Aldous' Wife(?) and the cow, holding Harvey and basically about to kill them again. When you go back in time with the blue cube in Seasons and open the closets it immediately says "it's me" right by a mirror (also happens when you click/tap the mirror). At the end of seasons after we've done what was needed in Winter of 1981 we go back to the spring of 1964. Do the thing and get hit with a beam of light.

Laura is then shown in the mirror, make everything dissapear and what not. We're suddenly back in the winter of 1981 Laura is standing by the window white cubes float all around and we're left to question if that was "The end?"

So we definitely play as Laura in seasons

[hidden ledge]

so do you think we play as laura or not because your first and last sentence contredict each other : D

[pliant plaza]

These darn thumbs, fixed the scentence

"We do play Laura in Seasons. I don't think..." is what it says now

[polar warren]

I play as Laura my whole life, just a different Laura.

[grizzled bluff]

We are all but playing a role in life

[hidden ledge]

"We do play Laura in Seasons. I don't think..." is what it says now
@pliant plaza i fought you were speaking like yoda for some reason X D

[vague imp]

please stop giving me a existential crisis

[pliant plaza]

It's the dang thumbs I have, they absolutely hate me!

Oh so I had another theory but someone on reddit told me that Harvey looks more like a female african red belly parrot. Which could very well be the case. My theory was going to be "What if there's 2 different Harveys" but yeah.. I Don't think it would work..

Maybe I draw a female harvey or a gender neutral one

It does seem to be a gender neutral name meaning Origin and Popularity..

[vague imp]

Harvey can go from a parrot to a human+parrot hybrid so no there aren't 2 Harvey's from what we know unless RL show's the hybrid Harvey [or should i say Hybird badum tssh]] and parrot Harvey together, there's only 1 Harvey

[spice frigate]

@vague imp Anthropomorphic in other words

[vague imp]

Shapeshifting

[hidden ledge]

i wonder if the family believed emma that she was just gardening and got pregnant X D

[vague imp]

long ago i actually explained that the flower gardening part wasn't supposed do be taken as literal gardening

but the flower part was a "metaphor" for a man "deflowering her"

Lolz

[hidden ledge]

i think that the flower actually is responsible for that. it wouldnt surprise me