He's going up the elevator to the hotel
#🤔｜theories
vague imp
hasty quarry
"And then hopefully the vision from the hotel, Dale was going there."
Alright. Elevator.
vague imp
We know that because of the vision in the game rl hotel
hasty quarry
I know too well of that theory of elevators.
vague imp
Hm
hasty quarry
I spilled the massive seeds on here many moons ago.
hasty quarry
Basically Dale does not get off, he just rides it up and settles into a lobby somewhere, in his mind he does ride it down throughout time, all he sees is the black cubes right? But no White until Birthday, towards the end of where White Rabbit/ David was laying there.
hasty quarry
David was there at the birthday, his slotch siginfying his palm was embracing it, almost like a dead like status, on where Dale was climbing up in the elevator, his other younger self foreseek that some where in BDay.
Even if David was in Paradise as a human form, he was just slightly born before Dale.
vague imp
Dale wasn't going down in his mind
There were two elvator rides
One down from the cabin
And one up from the white cube in cave
David was born in about 1778
Dale was born in 1930
hasty quarry
Yes.
There where two elevator rides, going from his past and future, of where the machine,was outside of the time and space contiuumn. Even I think somehow Mr. Owl established that.
hasty quarry
Well then how did Mr. Owl appeared in the snowglobe?
vague imp
He appeared because he can alter memories
Not because of the elevator
The elevator is kinda irrelevant at that point because the memory is what gives abilities such as time travel
Not the elevator
Brb quick
Back
hasty quarry
So each memory inside the black cube, what does it give to ?
vague imp
Wdym give to?
They are memories
That can be altered
And you can change events by them
You can change the past with them
hasty quarry
What kind of special ablity can you get from the black cubes?
hasty quarry
Alright if you where to alter each memory that is given to you, or even cause in pain or hurt, would you even go back and like just change?
No that is blue cubes.
vague imp
Abd change what you want in the memories
hasty quarry
Blue you can time travel with.
vague imp
Which in turn actually changes real life
hasty quarry
Black I think you can really do something even worst. Maybe metamorphsis?
vague imp
Face your demons
hasty quarry
oh... Seasons = black moths, does go into the different itenaries of dealing with some demonic force, as you do change into something different.
vague imp
Well
Allow me to reiterate
When you access the cubes (any cube) you can change stuff with them
You can change your memory in it which in turn changes the past
But the blue cubes can also help with rewinding time
Which also allows time travel between a memory or memories
It gets kinda confusing but basically you require a blue cube to change a white/black cube
hot isle
@vague imp ^ reason being if you make it so a white / black was never made (via a blue) it works out?
vague imp
I didn't exactly get what you mean
hot isle
So because the blues can change the past
If you change the past using a blue
in a way that means a white or black are never made
hasty quarry
If Blue cubes are always meant to change in the past.
IF there is no memories, from anyone who is remotely close to the story line, like Van Gogh.
vague imp
For example Dale's bday was the worst memory but via the blue cube it turned into a happy memory
hasty quarry
Then, you might as well try to build a block of somewhat.
hasty quarry
(i.e. Dale's birthday, was almost worst memory, for a child to go through, he somehow changed.)
vague imp
I didn't get what u mean boxes
vague imp
Lol
hasty quarry
*Grammar I meant hahaa.
The writer in me wants to correct that, oh wait hang on, I got a mutual friend who really kills me, when I mispelled anything hahaaa.
vague imp
Lol
vague imp
Alright, so I have multiple questions, because I kinda get the story, but some things are a blurr
First of all where does it all take place ?
All the names sound Dutch, but I've seen multiple things from the US
did all the families just immigrate ?
vague imp
Hm
Come to think of i did read somewhere that someone stated that there were Netherlands colonizing the us in the 16th century
So maybe that's why the names are dutch?
silver anvil
In Paradox, if you look at the address on the brochure. It says Rhode Island
vague imp
Because i know that the Netherlands way too flat for rusty lake
silver anvil
So quite possibly the Vanderbooms immigrated to the U.S.
silver anvil
Both...if I remember correctly....because it is what tells Dale what vial he should not drink
vague imp
wait
so all the families just went to America ?
all 3 of them ?
and they're all Dutch ?
that's..... a lot of coincidences...
Thhe story just revolves around Dutch people i think
Ohhhh
vague imp
@silver anvil can i ask of to send me an image of the brochure
Cuz i don't have access to paradox atm
vague imp
uuuh...
AH here !
But it's not "Rhode Island"
it's "RL" for "Rusty Lake"
Vanderboom street 56, 73298 Rusty Lake
again n again it's been shown that Rusty Lake exists in our world..
spice frigate
Tbh, for me canonically RL takes place somewhere in Europe if it comes to Vanderboom segment
since of building techiques, war uniform and of course - the fact that Leonard joined war just when it started (US joined I think... 2 years later? iirc)
vague imp
The US joined in 1917, but Leonard is wearing a 1917 US uniform
@spice frigate well allow me to correct
I think it's just an oversight
Oh rusty crown already said that
spice frigate
you sure? Britian had the same uniform
vague imp
And besides
spice frigate
same helmet, even the weapon
vague imp
#spoilers twd
||theo hoorn was confirmed to be living in nyc||
The scottish has similar ones also.
||Where the facility is||
yeah minus the hat but still
vague imp
well 1918 actually
I think him joining in 1914 is just a mistake from the developpers
When war came in 1914, Scotland was no stranger to fighting
Because he's old enough to do so?
Joining the army is optional sometimes
spice frigate
I mean, from what my history teacher told me
1914 - US literally had nothing to the war, thus they didn't join
vague imp
Your history teacher is right, it's just a mistake from the game
but the newspaper said
war has started?or smth
Plus
Joining the army =/= joining the war
could anyone get a pic lol?
Oh yes
The newspaper is by daily herald
Which is an american press
And i would doubt that shipment of newspapers where send international
ok it was ww1 or the great war
should i say [bc that's what it was called]
Yes
so i think international newspapers could have existed
i mean what if the newspaper has like..smaller sister/brother companies all across the globe?
The daily herald doesn't?
It's an irl press
even today there are no real international newspaper (even online, it's focused on the country of origin)
^^
Exactly
huh
spice frigate
ummm
vague imp
well ok fair..ig
spice frigate
vague imp
Also @spice frigate could you link me the source of those stuff?
There are a ton of Daily Heralds in the US and Canad
but you just said they don't travel from one country do another?
just not exactly called "Daily Herald" there's always another name
im getting mixed messages
because they're not the same company, but it's a common name
spice frigate
but what's the difference then?
spice frigate
wait, what money has to do with WWI--
vague imp
the money of the newspaper
if they share a name theres surely some connection between the companies
copyright n all
again, it's nit the exact same name
i doubt it actually had "the" in the title
I'll show you
like irl i mean
spice frigate
but also, who knows?
what if Laura just travelled to NYC, but after break up she just came back to the place she knows? ik stupid thing to guess
vague imp
ok but there still is a parent company [ie:Like a big building where everything is stored]
and then theres smaller companies as business branches
eh, who cares
my point is, The Daily Herald isn't exclusive to the UK
vague imp
who cares about the difference, honnestly ? XD
Rainy
Fair
So allow me to explain something
spice frigate
well, I still stand that it was in Europe, because of Leonard joining the war when it was starting
I doubt it could be a mistake honestly
vague imp
Again, it's a US military uniform, and it could just be a mistake from the developpers
it wouldn't be the first
With due respect
I mean they fixed all the timeline errors in a update
correct me if im wrong tho?
What about paradox @vague imp?
what about it?
They still didn't fix 11 year old newspaper i think?
oh no i mean
the timeline error in RL:Roots
What's that about 11 yo ?
spice frigate
Should I really download roots and play it so I could give screenshots--
vague imp
sorry if i came off as confusing lol i meant the timeline errors in the game not like
on the irl Daily Herald
spice frigate
@vague imp Where was that newspaper about war if you recall it?
vague imp
uhhh i think in the war hero?or do you mean in paradox?
vague imp
Anyways rainy
Laura was in your opinion dead in eirope right?
And that you think ||bob is in nyc||
So why would they show the murder of a woman by suicide (which is not uncommon so there wouldn't be point in showing it on international tv) unless it was on a local channel
lmao
Also
dual post
Bob was inspected by dale
Who is a local detective
Not fbi
I'm laging a bit
ah it's fine im just saying but his clothing lowkey does look American/British/Scottish?
If dale was in Europe then he shouldn't have the right to inspect bob since he is not in Europe
More like American tbh
so ig it could be one of the three?Maybe Leos inter racial?
I mean did we ever find out where Ida lived?Like..pre meeting Samuel?
Actually
it is closer to a british uniform
but Canadians had the same so
eh
Ah well true i can't really tell the difference am partially colourblind..lol
so if i say anything odd colour wise uhh yeah ahahha
Oh
spice frigate
I still think Ida was possibly in Germany? like don't get me wrong but her last name tho
vague imp
the difference is the US uniform is green all over
the british and Canadian is green helmet and brown/yellow suit
how was it spelled again, ik we saw it in paradox but
vague imp
It's Dutch as well I think
I'm fairly convinced the Vanderbooms were immigrants since their name would have been spelled van der Boom in original.
Reiziger is dutch too.
Yes
spice frigate
Reiziger
vague imp
Which means traveler
Yes
May also refer to peregrin, though.
Alright..in what language Manny?
Dutch
Oh
Nvm
spice frigate
also, Dale... didn't he actually live in Rusty Lake before?
vague imp
all that turns up for me is some random footballer
We don't know that
and uhm?no?
where did you get that info?
all we know is that he lived in the same area as Laura's house since they have the same type of trees
Yeah, for me too, when I searched, Ghostly.
I had to dig a bit deeper but no idea where and how anymore.
spice frigate
dunno where I got it, I just... remember hearing it from somewhere
vague imp
Which imo is near nyc
It wasn't in rl rainy because
Crown I don't think types of trees can mean so much.
And we didn't ever see Dale's home.
i heard that " I just... remember hearing/seeing it from somewhere" excuse so much after i started looking forthatevilfarminggame that it makes me sus on the spot
Also @spice frigate
The UK and Canada have the same uniform, and the Canadians went to war in 1914 under the UK's flag
Mainly because he received a postcard from rusty lake
Yeah
so it still works
Because if my memory serves correctly
ah ok that's fair
Canada was part of the british empire
it still is actually
@vague imp we did
His childhood home
We're referring to that
can't wait till RL just
reaches the modern era where everyone is just vibin
Lmao
||well technically Kirsten was here x)||
||and the ARG in general||
So i think the theory i heard before about rusty lake being in Ontario and the other locations near nyc still stands
Yeah, but there was mostly snow, a few houses and the tree Mr. Rabbit leaned on. And nobody knows if Dale lived in the same place or near it afterwards.
likely not i think he grew up in an orphanage
or with a distant relative [if he even had any]
Oh and one last thing
If (and it's only if) daily herald was the uk press version
It would make sense for a uk press to be found in canada which is a part of the British empire
Yeah.
I'd love to learn more about his youth after the incident. Or if he really changed the timeline tbh...
@vague imp again , he recieved a post card from rusty lake
Implying that he wasn't in rusty lake
Besides
If he did live in rusty lake
He would've at least known about it
But he kinda doesn't tbh
Fair
Tbh it's kind of weird how Laura's case it the first one from RL that gains his interest.
Hm
Well maybe it's the first case he saw about rl?
i think the blue cube is metaphorically "changing the past"
you really don't change it, you just
learn do move on five stages of grief n stuff
Recently
I'm thinking that Dale's past didn't change
||That it's just like Robert's case||
Same, Ghostly. Though keeping an open mind for different theories.
||when his memories got erased about laura||
||Everything happened but he forgot||
ye ye of course, no worries all theories are valid lmao
And that in reality Dale's parents are dead
But he thinks that he saved them
Wait no-
vague imp
I'm a bit comfused with the lore now
After #spoilers twd ||we see sara erasing Bob's memories|| I'm kinda beginning to wonder if the cubes can truly change the past or just the memory of the memory owner
Like
What about laura in seasons
Is all what she did just pointless and never actually gwt cured
And what about balancing the substances of my past life what does it mean
Does it mean when you do balance the substance of your past life you get uncorrupted?
And how would that happen if it's only a memory
Tbh I'm very confused
hasty quarry
I honestly think Hotel was on like an off shore Boston Harbor.
hasty quarry
Yeah, but there was mostly snow, a few houses and the tree Mr. Rabbit leaned on. And nobody knows if Dale lived in the same place or near it afterwards.
@vague imp 🙂
i think the blue cube is metaphorically "changing the past"
@vague imp It is really about you just learn more stages too, just a little bit learning as a child too, honestly it feels even more attacked in just death of his two parents, that could of shaken up his emotions. Towards something bigger. Still we do not see Dale as a teenager.
I'm fairly convinced the Vanderbooms were immigrants since their name would have been spelled van der Boom in original.
Reiziger is dutch too.
@vague imp
Rusty Crown: I kinde of wonder what year was that Daily Herald though, anyone know what type of year that was?
Alright, so I have multiple questions, because I kinda get the story, but some things are a blurr
@vague imp I think they where a part of Dutch, like somewhere it was more fluent in english, like a Dutch state that has somewhat more of an access to different types of languages, and strange customs of everything the game was at.
vague imp
@vague imp
You didn't close your kirsten hoorn spoiler.
tardy quail
Maybe they managed to cover it up until then?
hasty quarry
However
Some people thought that it was part of Europe
And a minor part thought it was in Canada
And i believe rusty lake is in canada for many reasons
Considering that #spoilers twd ||theo hoorn lives in new york it is safe to assume that the white door facility lives in new york|| and since both laura and bob don't live very far away from the facility (like only take a while to reach on car) we can assume safely that they live near the city of new york or the suburbs of it
@vague imp Even if it all started up there. Why is there a lake and moutian?
The only logical explimantion I could ever come up with it, was the location where I have traveled throughout time itself.
So in your head, and others think it is different locations.
Well then, explain why is there v-i-c-t-o-r-i-a-n houses in the en-tireeeeeeeeeee game?
hasty quarry
Yeah you are right, I googled it..
But there is a few of them down by my old pad, and around that corner is the really ancients houses build around 1970s.
I beg your pardon, can you see out the window, of where the sun sets and riven?
We all time travel, never understood its reasonsing either, each photo is like you taken away their second.
sealed online, or in a box forever.
::: sighs::: true...
no. I was talking about photographs in general. Outside of RL.
Photo boxes.
Traveled by car.
Traveled through out time, meaning vacation.
Gee sorry for being intelligent.
Okay i will stop then.
fickle cedar
It can't take place in the US, because in twd Bob pays the bartender with a coin that has a 2 on it. There are no $2 coins in the US. Also, in Theatre, the bathroom door has a sign that says "W.C.", which stands for "Water Closet". I've never heard anyone from America call the bathroom a water closet, that's a European thing.
It also can't take place in England, because in twd when Bob's driving the driver seat is on the left side of the car.
vague imp
Fair tbh, but maybe RL is taking a place on a bizarre earth
like some weird alt universe
where everything is switched
So for example the Baltics would switch places with the Nordics
Edit: ik RL has nothing to do with the Baltic but it's just an example/i can dream ok?
fickle cedar
Good point, I just like trying to narrow it down to a place.
Makes me feel like a detective, without having my parents/grandfather murdered by a rabbit-man
vague imp
Playing Rusty Lake is definitely a better choice than being aone of its characters.
toxic sand
does frank need the stick to get out of the well because he has atrophy or something?
tardy quail
Probably because he's starving and weak? (not trying to be rude)
vague imp
He probably never moved much, unaware that muscles need training to be able to support the body.
hasty quarry
::: pokes head in:::
thorn copper
I don't know if anyone mentioned this before but anyway-
So in Harvey's box there's a pigeon that helps Harvey out right? When the box is in the cabin (i think thats the cabin?) the pigeon opens the box
Remember that pigeon in Ms. Pigeon's room back in Hotel? The one Harvey saved from her experiments?
I'm not sure how it would work since that pigeon was more humanoid, but idk i like the idea
vague imp
It's very different from my theory that it was a trap set up by Ms. Pigeon. Feelings aside I don't think it's likely, but may be plausible and I'm a fan of wholesome headcanons.
hot isle
I forgot just how fucked up Albert is in Roots
hasty quarry
Trapped like if the pigeon was littearly there in all games. Sort of an odd thing to think about, a bird flying throughout each of the games.
hasty quarry
Well if there is a bird throughout the series, I wonder if there was just an early expierment for the brothers.
Start off something small like that and no one will notice.
hasty quarry
I forgot just how fucked up Albert is in Roots
@hot isle I think he is nightmare fuel at this point.
fluid adder
Absolutely
sleek topaz
Theory: Dale has schizophrenia
Maybe psychosis
“Rusty lake” is just how his brain processed being forced into a psych ward
His symptoms were triggered and he had a psychotic break when he started the case on laura
(Not serious, just an interesting thought)
vague imp
Valid, but if there's not something interesting behind it, it's more or less just a boring old trope.
hasty quarry
Nah, its like we are all chasing our shadows, what if Laura was a shadow to William?
vague imp
Not all of Rusty Lake can be a paradox.
Or
can it? [Dun dun DUNNNN!]
hasty quarry
XD Fishy Funny there, do not eat the parrot 😛
sleek topaz
I suppose you’re right
ionic girder
I was reading the wiki page for the timeline of the games, and the first date was "20,000 BC - TBA" Anyone knows anything about that? any theories or something?
hasty quarry
No clue, Avohai.
tardy quail
Wait, there’s a wiki page? Do you know where i can find it? Because now i’m interested
vague imp
Somebody said the devs added that as some sort of teaser for future projects, but not so sure about that since the upcoming project seems to be focused on Albert.
hasty quarry
That is what I saw on here, about Albert and his mirror reflection.
ionic girder
vague imp
Yes, that was presented at a con.
I don't think the devs specified if the demo was convention exclusive content or will be released as a full game soon. Others may know more.
(The Albert game)
hasty quarry
NGL, it looks amazing the time line, in the pink background.
spiral yarrow
The Parrot is who you play as in Rusty Lake: Hotel there’s a code from it that you have to get all meals with 5 stars to find, that you use to see a secret cutscene in cube escape: Birthday
So E
hasty quarry
We all know that code anyways, AlreadyTaken.
hasty quarry
Speak up Spoddetman, do not leave us hanging around, you can always hit enter if it a super long message 🙂
twin fog
avohai, if you are wondering, the date was from a teaser the devs showed after the release of paradox. it teases a mommoth in the middle of the lake with the date 20000 bc.
asked my friend about it who happened to be a fan of rusty laks
*lake
twin fog
hasty quarry
Mannoth, huh, I wrote about that around six months ago.
I got a funny feeling everyone is reading my fb notes, and blog for ideas.
World, oh well its been out there for an uber lenght of chronologic.
hasty quarry
depressed4life - This is of the Rusty Lake Theories only.
quick venture
ive been working on this theory for a month
hasty quarry
This is only for Rusty Lake Games Theories, go type it up on your fb site.
You sound a bit crazy.
ruby crater
yeah like wtf dude
hasty quarry
So while playing Paradox, I had a theory of my own.
In the brain puzzle, I just tweeked and quote it up in paradox, start to wonder even if we all played all the games, doesn't one really need that water for your brain, unless you where about to overshadow yourself though? Even if you would really rely on using your noggin - pun intended. It does really make you wonder even more, even playing as Dale mostly throughout the game, and studying up one's onw pysche.
Do you ask yourself, if you were okay? 🙂
ionic girder
avohai, if you are wondering, the date was from a teaser the devs showed after the release of paradox. it teases a mommoth in the middle of the lake with the date 20000 bc.
@twin fog omg, thank you, i love it
fresh holly
I'm always wondering if Dale Vandermeer killed Laura Vanderboom due to his past and his psychological issues, maybe his past is surrending him again because past is never dead and cannot be forgotten, maybe like we see at the end of the paradox, he's like in a non stop loop of amnesia where he simply doesn't remember, and so he's investigating upon himself.
Real or not, that's what I believe for the moment and that's a good theory to dig (:
dusty fern
I'm quite sure Laura commited suicide, based on the prozac prescription from Seasons (medication used to treat depression), and the note she left saying she fears she is going to do somethings terrible.
fresh holly
Then I don't get why in the end of paradox, we see Dale's corrupted soul kill Laura above the water, and why are we constanly obsessed by that woman, I used to think that maybe it's because he's done with her and the affair, maybe Dave's corrupted soul is his representation toumented by his past and that murder, and maybe like I said before, he's done with her, but as we know, the past is never dead.
dusty fern
Dale is obsessed with the case because of its mysterious and seemingly unsolvable circumstances, or simply perhaps for the sake of the plot. I, too, don't know why his corrupted soul kills Laura at the end of Paradox, though I also don't see that as the canon ending considering what happens when you collect all the achievements.
It might've been a part of the 'psychiatric evaluation' Mr. Crow and Mr. Owl were actually performing on Dale during the whole of Paradox.
hasty quarry
She really did not die at all, she sort of slipped into coma, almost to the part of where Mr. Owl was really covering up the truth, Laura was never a ghost nor human, just a puppet. If you watch the clues in Seasons,White Door, etc. She littearly hangs from the ceiling ontop of that, there is not motion towards her, except for White door.
Of where in the secret ending of White door, we all know what happen.
Dale wanted to go to the The Lake, because of a gut feeling as an ex-cop, to see what really did become of the woman, in his mind, somehow he gathered the interntal illusion of where, himself was the reflected ghost, in Paradox, if memory serves me right, there is a labyrinth towards the end, of where he finds himself in such an illusion - near static mirrored self.
After all we all know how Birthday, Mr. Owl gave him a clock, right? OF where duration of the huge clump together of where Paradox ends, and Birthday begins, you can almost see the right ammount of time. Even the white Rabbit cosplay in the middle of the game, he appeared small right? Well... I think that is a gateway of birthday.
Somehow towards the ending of BDay, he just caved in.
dusty fern
If I'm not mistaken, he travelled to the Lake as per the contest in the Case 23's newspaper. Also, I'm quite sure when Laura was hanging from the ceiling, her body was being dragged away to be transported to the Mill for memory extraction by Mr. Crow, after which she turned into a corrupted soul and attacked Harvey. And I apologize, but I genuinely don't understand what you're trying to say in your third paragraph because of your broken English.
hasty quarry
Broken english?
It is scrambled thoughts I am joting down right now.
Not broken english, words ya know.
"AFter all we know how convality and when Mr. Owl did give him the time piece right, duration of when Laura entered the Mill did all her fancy footwork, we can see her soul being tugged a few times, like a puppet."
My god give my brain a rest 😛
dusty fern
Your thoughts are quite hard to decipher if I do say so myself
hasty quarry
Well I do have an excellent brain mapping, I trick my siblings into it too, besides they have no clue on what I am speaking of:)
dusty fern
Brain mapping?
hasty quarry
pyschologic advances, able to dected patterns in everything.
Well best be heading outside to walk before I get into serious chattings on here.
dusty fern
Interesting, however this is no longer at the topic of this channel
ionic girder
Seing how wide the games have spread worldwide, is safe to assume a bunch of people in here don't have english as their native language, so even if it was broken english, can we not focus on that, please?
(I'm brazilian, for example)
dusty fern
I only pointed it out as it was making me unable to understand what he was saying
hasty quarry
Sure.
Within that thought I posted above, I still think that Dale somehow went back in time, duration of the extra long mental check in, and found an old bunny suit with stilts on his legs. I know someone else did posted an image ages ago.
dusty fern
I think I may be missing something here
hasty quarry
Be missing the part two in paradox?
In way later in paradox, before the fish head, he is standing there looking at himself throughout the white rabbits attire.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkWe73k_BQ0 it does show a clip of Vanderbroom's house duration on his 9th birthday.
dusty fern
Hmmm
twin fog
oohhh :0
hasty quarry
Thank you nicnnirisa.
twin fog
you're welcome! call me irisa for short.
twin fog
@dusty fern hey, i have something to ask you, can i dm you?
@twin fog omg, thank you, i love it
@ionic girder you're welcome ^^
hasty quarry
Irsia nice to meet you 🙂
twin fog
name's irisa, not irsia ^^;; nice to meet you too though!
hasty quarry
Irisa, my mistake. Soooooo you like my theory?
twin fog
yeye!
it makes sense- for me, at least.
dusty fern
@twin fog You may indeed DM me
twin fog
alright, thank you ^^
apologies to be a bother, however can you open your dms? i cannot send messages. @dusty fern
dusty fern
Oh, I forgot, sorry
hasty quarry
@twin fog Well if you like that one, scroll up, I have a bunch of somewhat well thought out theories of the series.
twin fog
ohh, alright :0
hasty quarry
Ah... What to discuss now?
Okay here is a thought, how did Albert start with the moon mask?
ionic girder
Here's a thought: when will we have Mr. Dog?
hasty quarry
Mr. Dog, huh no one ever whispers about the Dog.
I guess a little bit of bark, but no bite hahaaa. XD
unique ibex
Guys, I just finished all the games and one thing that bothers me a lot in the story is Harvey. Apparently he is extremely old, since he appears in everyone, including Paradise. Also his change of form "animal-humanoid" is a mystery If anyone can help me, I would appreciate it. ”
hasty quarry
I sort of had an idea of it, around a few weeks on here . Just scroll up. I have no clue but it is worth the shot in the dark.
unique ibex
Ok tanks
hasty quarry
np
hasty quarry
Who was the first VO of the tape? I thought it was that one dude.
vague imp
Vo?
I'm sorry but i am not quite familiar with this term 😳
fickle cedar
It means voice over, I think
oblique pollen
Are you french ?
vague imp
Oh
I think the voice over is the same actor as in the gamed
Uh I will check his name
vague imp
Within that thought I posted above, I still think that Dale somehow went back in time, duration of the extra long mental check in, and found an old bunny suit with stilts on his legs. I know someone else did posted an image ages ago.
@hasty quarry that sounds confusing to me
If I do recall correctly it was proven for mr rabbit to be david eilander fron paradise and not dale , seeing how he has the rabbit mask which alludes to him being mr rabbit in the hotel (since well the hotel guests are the eilanders)
And in paradox the phone book calls the magician with the name of D. Eilander
Now your theory is really great and would've made a lot of sense if it were a standalone game but rusty lake already covered that david is mr rabbit
elder minnow
@vague imp the voice actor is called Bob Rafferty.
orchid night
Hey, I got a question, how did Mr.Crow know that Dale vandermeer would be born in the 18th of December of 1930? Also, could Dale be Albert's reincarnation? Since they look practically the same and Aldous knew of the existence of both of them even before Albert died
My cousin is 100% sure that Dale is Albert's reincarnation but I keep telling her that albert is just dead and the fact that they look the same is just a coincidence.
Also she uses the fact that Dale hallucinates with deers and appeared as a human with a deer's head in Cube Escape Paradox: Chapter 2 when the rooms are all empty and you see the shadows
uneven flicker
@orchid night
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We don't know how he knew it. Well he's Demigod so he somehow noticed it already :3
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I don't think Dale is someone's reincarnation. He's quite different with Albert. Albert is the Devil, that's his position while Dale is the time traveler and also the successor of the Lake.
Albert Vanderboom commited many crimes and I think the lake doesn't want him anymore. She doesn't want crime for enlightenment. Think about what the Lake did when the Eilanders murdered Caroline(=the lady of the lake) as a sacrifice for the enlightenment. She gave Paradise 10 plagues. I think she got upset bc they just sacrificed someone's life for their gain.
So I don't see any possibility that the lake suddenly changes her mind and let Albert reincarnate as Dale(the chosen one).
If there's only common thing between Dale and Albert, that must be 'the deer' like your cousin mentioned. But I suggest that we should carefully consider this, because the deer can imply not only one thing. Nicholas Eilander also wears the deer mask, and his reincarnation is Mr. Deer(and the deer skull is in his hotel guest room). Remember the cave below the lake in Paradise? There are some animal statues including the deer. I think the deer also can mean something sacred at this point. I thi k those animals are like Gods that are worshiped for a long time. It's like religion, ritual, tradition for the Lake.
But it can also mean the bad thing like the Devil. It matches Albert's own position. He wore the deer skull mask when he killed Samuel and Ida.
Then how can we explain Dale with the deer mask? In Paradox ch2, Dale drank the blue vial and turned into the corrupted soul and murdered Laura. (This is not reality. Paradox is Dale's consciousness.) There would be many various suggests about this, and IMAO this (corrupted) Dale chosed to kill Laura so that he could gain enlightenment. That's the same thing with what Nicholas Eilander did. But we all know that this is not what the lake wants from him. So I guess at this point 'the deer' can possibly mean his own void/darkness/abyss...kinda. But that's not all he got. He loves his family and tries to do his best at work. He has his own humanity, too.
In addition, Albert never threw away his hate and devilness til' his death(he still wished Frank dies during the chess game), while Dale finally figured out the right answer. He chosed to sacrifice himself to save Laura. That's the ending of the secret ending in ch1. So I don't think Albert reincarnated as Dale for they have the same deer things. In the end they totally chosed different options. Albert remained his darkness and hate, but Dale chosed to save another life. The life of a person that he never knew before.
Omg it was too long sorry...😅😅😅
I just see Dale as himself, not other person.
vague imp
@uneven flicker I think the deer represents something else
It represents something opposite of what the owl does in the cycle
I heard the theory before somewhere else
I'll check it real quick then come back with what its contents mean
2:Plus let's not forget we saw Alberts soul in the 4 year anniversary teaser, so they are clearly two different people
Now if Albert possessed Dale yes ok that would make them"the same person" but Albert would be a parasite still
Although i admit a possession plot twist would be cool Dale isn't surely himself after starting this case and he has shown do be corrupted so who knows maybe he is possessed..
uneven flicker
@vague imp oh great! 🙂 thanks for feedback
@vague imp Indeed. They are totally separated. And the plot twit is quite intersting. Also makes sense:3
vague imp
True true, i think maybe il draw art on that idea actually..
uneven flicker
👀👀👀Go on!!
vague imp
Okay so i found the theory @uneven flicker
Just I will copy and paste it here hold on
"I think the cycle in paradise in Caroline's book is a cycle of succession for the rulers of the lake
The deer is the new leader , he goes through hell and gets corrupted , then he becomes the owl , he is wise and will go back to the lake
He teaches a human that becomes the new deer , the deer and the owl are enemies
Nicholas is a bad and corrupted ruler , Jacob is its nemesis and becomes the owl
Albert is a sociopath , frank is his owl
The Deers try to get rid of the Owls, but end up making them more powerful until they overthrow them
in that case, Dale is the Deer , would that mean that his Owl is Bob ?...
that would be MESSED UP
in a way, Owl is also Dale's Deer and Dale is Owl's Owl
Caroline (Owl) --> Nicholas (Deer)
--> Jacob (Owl) --> Dale (Deer)
-> William (Deer) --> Aldous (Owl)
--> Albert (Deer) --> Frank (Owl)
--> Rose (Deer) --> Laura (Owl)
--> Dale (Deer) --> Bob /Sarah (Owl) (?)
they all overthrow each other willingly or not"
"Deers are sociopaths, and Owls try to make good
except for Jacob and Dale that are opposites to their roles
And it is an unending cycle of Deers and Owls
Deers are chaos and leadership
Owls are wise and benevolent
Caroline (Owl) finds the secret to enlightenment
Nicolas (Deer) sacrifices her to get the secret
Jacob (Owl) is born from those sacrifices and kills Nicholas
William (Deer) gets taught the secret of the elixir
Aldous (Owl) is the one that gets enlightened
Albert (Deer) gets powers from William and tortures his family
Frank (Owl) gets revenge on Albert
Rose (Deer) promised William a new vessel and killed Frank
Laura (Owl) is the rebirth of William in a better person
Dale (Deer) is taught by Jacob and will have to confront Laura to know who will be enlightened
Bob (Owl ?) would probably have overthrown Dale if Sarah didn't get involved
What's interesting is that Jacob is an Owl that acts like a Deer, and Dale is a Deer that acts like an Owl, and so, since Sarah prevented Bob from taking Dale's place, those 2 will break the cycle
Also if you look closely, you can see that the Deer and the Owl separate the physical (Animal and Human) from the spiritual (Soul and Hell forest)
They're the link between the two through enlightenment"
Here you go ^^
orchid night
Isn't Laura the reincarnation of William + Rose in one body?
vague imp
She is the daughter of rose
While she is the rebirth of william they are however to different people
William is William
And laura is laura
Tbh Laura got bad karma from her past life [since many people died bcs of her [not like directly caused]
Not because of her
but a whole 2 generations died so she could be reborn
They died and their parts were used as sacrifices
They didn't do that for her
He only people who did are frank and leonard
Well true but still that's bad karma either way
The others died not knowing they were trying to give birth to laura
Not really imo ywy
Like the cycle of rebirth would care if you did it or not plus we don't know how William acted before we saw him in Roots
so who knows,
Mm
We know that he didn't get enlightened
im not saying "she deserved what she got" she didn't
Albeit he was the one who led (made) the experiment on the elixir
im just saying she [or should i say he] did shitty stuff [likely] in a past life
And aldous got enlightened albeit not drinking first and not making the elixir
im just saying she [or should i say he] did shitty stuff [likely] in a past life
@vague imp then that means he's a deer
Hut laura isn't william
But
Well i mean..
she sorta is?
She is him reborn
But not him
They are still two people
Exactly but i believe Williams soul haunted her [later corrupting her]
thus in a way [atleast] they "became" one person
Not corrupting
Rather driving her to suicide
Yes he did haunt her but indirectly
hmmm i get ur point
but he still caused her corruption
After eating Harvey's egg she started remembering what horrors william did
Which is helping in sacrifices
not attacking ur hc's/views on the story tho im just saying my point
i can see ur view of it also
Her corruption was caused by aldous
Who was warned by mr owl not to extract painful memories
Yeah Aldous is a mystery also
and i kinda question if he is really "good"
tbh i mean ok can i be honest
He's not good
But not worse than owl
i think most of them are like good deep down inside [atleast some of them ie:Dale] sure he has done wrong things but that's apart of the job
and he can't be perfect
The only bad thing he did imo was investigating bob
Yeah i think Dale's just a pawn/puppet
We're not sure if he framed bob
in a bigger plan
It could be another person
tbh i think Dale's a good man he just did a stupid thing
but who hasn't
So far apart from making bob a suspect i think he did nothing wrong
I don't think it's stupid if I'm being honest
Dale took bob to interrogate him which is a pretty normal thing any detective would do
They usually interrogate the ones closest to the victim
yeah but i mean like by stupid mean like "in someoens eyes" [in this case Bob's]
he did smth stupid
So imo that's at least not stupid if not saying that it's the opposite of stupid
Bob wouldn't feel it's stupid
Rather, unjust
And we don't know if dale framed bob
It could've been another person who framed bob
fair fair, sorry ig i used poor wording sorry i just took my medicien so im still sorta
Dale just made him a suspect
you know
Which is normal
Oh-
Iffy
My bad
yeah but its ok i used poor wording ndvssdjk but ye good point
Thank you ^^
desert rivet
Your theories are so complicated lol I feel like I don't understand anything yet
desert rivet
That's the whole point lol
vague imp
I feel like we will get a better understanding of the stories
Although I've heard that there will be no more cube escapes
Does that mean all the other ganes will be paid
I can't afford that qwq
desert rivet
I hope there will.. the stories have so much more to offer
vague imp
The story will continue but in the form of rusty lake or other projects such as second maze
orchid night
https://rustylake.fandom.com/wiki/Laura_Vanderboom
It says she is the reincarnation of two people
spice frigate
https://rusty-lake.fandom.com/wiki/The_Woman
look at this one
it says "She is reincarnation of William and (she is) daughter of Rose"
they're not 2 people in one body
vague imp
Lmao yeah i should get back to work on that first wiki i been holding it on the backburner for too long, even if it's the only reason im chained do this earthly space rock anymore
spice frigate
ngl, i don't see sorta reason on making the second wiki if there's one that... you can update if there's something new
vague imp
once i finish i can finally descend into space and lmao for fun mostly idk why im doing this ig its gonna help me keep myself distracted idk.XD
il see what i plan on doing with it lmao...
orchid night
Btw, what is the difference between black cubes and white cubes? Do they symbolize something different?
orchid night
Just as I thought, but why Rusty lake and other people draw Albert as a deer with white cubes ans Aldous as a crow with black cubes if the "bad" guy is albert and aldous is the good one?
vague imp
Oh
I think you're confused and don't worry that subject can get confusing ^^'
What you're referring to is a fanart someone made and rusty lake featured it because it was very pretty
I don't think the cubes in that fanart symbolize anything but are there for the aesthetic (mr crow's feather is black and the black cube is with him , Albert's skull is white so the white cube is with him)
There isn't any occurrence of it in the game whatsoever it's just a fanart ^^
Also this is the black cubes' description "face your demons"
And tge white cube is "relive your memories"
So in other words the white cube is a good , pleasant memory you had
And the black cube is a bad , scary , painful memory you had
But it doesn't mean if you have a bad memory it means that you're a bad person and it doesn't mean if you had a good memory you're a good person
Everyone has pleasant and painful memories whoever they are
orchid night
Oh thanks!
Yeah I also played the games in a questionable order (paradox 1 and 2 -> Paradise -> hotel -> roots) and i havent played the old ones (birthday, case 23, the mill, etc) so the history is really messed up in my head but it's my fault because I didn't know that there was an order to play them
vague imp
You only played the premiums
Which only tells the lore and past of the story
It doesn't cover dale or the rest
orchid night
I should definitely check out the old ones.
vague imp
Yeah
orchid night
Thanks for the explanation btw
hasty quarry
@vague imp Ah thanks. I also thought that as well, but why did Dale imagine himself in a tiny rabbit suit?
hasty quarry
So in other words the white cube is a good , pleasant memory you had
And the black cube is a bad , scary , painful memory you had
But it doesn't mean if you have a bad memory it means that you're a bad person and it doesn't mean if you had a good memory you're a good person
Everyone has pleasant and painful memories whoever they are
@vague imp That means you are a robot, and you must be exterminated 😛
vague imp
@vague imp Ah thanks. I also thought that as well, but why did Dale imagine himself in a tiny rabbit suit?
@hasty quarry when did that happen :0
vague imp
I know
It reveolves around mental illness and enlightenment
But I never saw dale imagining himself in a tiny rabbit suit
Was it in paradox
hasty quarry
Paradox chapter two
vague imp
Elaborate please
hasty quarry
I think around 50 minutes into the youtube video.
I did post up the url on here sometime ago, to indicated the linking in between birthday and paradox, my grandpa rambles on and on inside my head sometimes, must be getting senile in my youthful age lol.
vague imp
I dont see it
The url showed the playthrough of the game and it was pretty similar to what i did
hasty quarry
I will pin up the link again, sworn I have seen the banners from birthday in the image link...
vague imp
The banners are because the past brain resembles dale's past
hasty quarry
I am pretty sure I did stumbled upon the rabbit suit in the game, second time around it.
vague imp
Because well
The banners in birthday were in his birthday in the oast
Past*
I didn't
hasty quarry
Indeed, but remembered discussing about the rabbit suit with the people, on here a while ago or two.
vague imp
I've seen all easter eggs too
Can you replay the game boxes?
Can you play it and screenshot what you mean
hasty quarry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkWe73k_BQ0 I am watching it around the 20 minute mark.
I have been playing it on and off the past fortnight, just got done with section one of Paradox.
FYI: I am not angry at anyone in this moment, just pointing it out for you.
vague imp
I saw it
I didn't see any imagination of dale being mr rabbit
Sorry I don't see what you mean
hasty quarry
hmm... Well maybe my brain just put it as the rabbit.
Again I am only what my brain tells me.
vague imp
We are all what our brain tells us
We are our brain
Brain is us
We are brain
Brain is we
Us is brain
hasty quarry
At least we are not zombies, going after white rabbits, who is super drunk and wants to gun down things....
I think Mr. Rabbit just went to the bar, and got really drunk before birthday.
vague imp
Headcanon
Rabbit is a mafia boi
I think he just had violent tendencies and had a motive to kill in birthday
hasty quarry
No just really drunk all the time, a bit crazy and loofy at first, but duration of the plauge game, I still think the wine was still there.
vague imp
He still has
hasty quarry
Why then the apology letter?
vague imp
He's apologizing that he had to do it to dale
He wanted to kill to take the pistol
And apologized that he forsaw no other way to get out of his state
hasty quarry
Still i think he was drunk at first, then forsaw something as a child.
hasty quarry
going back with paradise the game, I still think he hops around and caused a lot of laughter, but that seem so silly just to act like it all throughout the game, I think something really eerie behind the laughter.
vague imp
David was underage at the time
I'm not sure if his family allowed him to drink in paradise
Then again paradise has no rules
hasty quarry
There was no rules back then anyways, year wise. Sure it was the proibition.
vague imp
No
Back then there were rules
But not in paradise
Because it was an inhabited island
Except for the eilander
hasty quarry
well got all day, so fill me in your knowledgement.
vague imp
We know that paradise happened in 1796
And I know that there were politics way before common era
Like ancient greece
They had politics and rules way back in 580 before common era
hasty quarry
Er...... 1776 Washington was the first president of the usa.
vague imp
So it is only logical to assume that there were rules in 1796
hasty quarry
And pretty certian duration of where the smallest details of running back and forth, that his white house established a huge chunk of history too.
Fair enough.
(I do not want to type up what Hancock did though he was a brilliant person, a war machine.)
vague imp
I don't know who Hancock is
hasty quarry
Wow what part of the globe are you from?
vague imp
I am from earth
hasty quarry
Anyways there is a wiki on here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hancock erm yeah. I was at Boston a while ago, I still remember the tour guide explaining in detail on what he was.
vague imp
I wanted to be a marsian but too bad my parents had to stay on Earth
hasty quarry
*martian
hasty quarry
Anyways I still think the background blended within, his past, somehow blended him into a rabbit suit, no matter what you may or may not think what is there in the game, I am pretty sure, almongst with all the friends on here, discussed about Dale being inside a white rabbit suit.
So back in 178xxx or whatever, I think the White Rabbit has two different personas, because we do not see him, W.R. as a human kid.
vague imp
I really don't remember him in a rabbit suit
Yes thw background blended with his paat to represent it i.e. birthday
But I don't think I ever saw dale in a rabbit suit
W.R?
What's the W :0
hasty quarry
I meant David, oops sorry
I was scrolling up to see if I chatted it up with the folks in different channles.
Eh..... got nothing to support what I just wrote....oops
hollow comet
I think David is tired of being a corrupted soul
That could explain a "substance from a past life"
But it doesn't explain why he killed Dale's parents
vague imp
I agree with you
He wanted to revert back to his normal state rather than staying corrupted
Killing dale's parents isn't something needed to revert david back to normal
However I feel that it helped him
Let us say that a stranger walked into your house and you have a family
The logical thing to do is to try and defend your family so you put up a fight or shoot the stranger
Not sure which route you'd personally choose but the majority would choose to attack the stranger
So to preserve all of that struggle I feel mr rabbit just killed them toake it easier for him to take the pistol and go rather than having to fight with daddy and mommy Vandermeer
So killing them is nothing surreal like "reverting back to the original state"
Just a real thing some burglars do to make theft easier
hasty quarry
David is just tired of being hurt, ergo that is why I am pretty sure - well nearly everything cast a shadow.
We where born with them, nothing can ever do can ever overthrow it.
hasty quarry
If That was all in your own head, beginning to wonder if Jackob ever did... Touch.. oh wait snowglobe.
Well qestion how did Mr. Owl ...Predicited that he would come encounter with Dale on his convality?
vague imp
What does convality mean?
hasty quarry
another word meaning birthday.
I looked it up on the dictionary web site, I did not want to write out bday in my notes, so tooken that symonon and just write it down several times.
vality = vital = life , con is with
so with life, enjoy a birthday.
vague imp
Oh okay
I think it is because mr owl is not an ordinary man
He is enlightened so he has perks that a normal man doesnt
Such as immortality and wisdom and enlightenment
hasty quarry
After what he done in paradise.
vague imp
He is enlightened
Meanung he is aware of what is happening , has happened , will happen
hasty quarry
Still. ... Did Eliazabeth finally see? OR was she blind like the last half of Pradise?
hasty quarry
As in the same Pheasent who wore mask?
vague imp
I just realized how dangerous it was for elizabeth to skate xD
Why didn't ai realize that before 🤣
As in the same Pheasent who wore mask?
@hasty quarry the pheasant in the hotel yes
vague imp
Yes
And it already is dangerous when you can see
Imagine how hard it is when you can't
Elizabeth is very carefree
hasty quarry
Aren't we all 🙂
vague imp
Agreed
But there are people who surprise you with their carefreeness
They can even be more carefree
hasty quarry
some say "Youth people are so carefree, they forget whom they are talking to."
vague imp
True
hasty quarry
shrugs not too shabby for being fourty :)
hasty quarry
I kind of wonder if the Robin in White Door repersents oh joy?
vague imp
Plot twist..
What if.. the robin represented... Robin
vague imp
I was referring to Mr. Ras
hasty quarry
And that be?
hasty quarry
Ah I looked him up.
vague imp
@hasty quarry
So if we put that theory into consideration then that could mean dale can become into Mr. Dog
hasty quarry
Dog?
DOOOOOOOGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!! 😛
Wearwolf Dale and his michevious adventures onwardsssssss 😛
vague imp
I think he can be a dog or a fox
Both are smart
A fox is more cunning and you can say that about dale
A dog is brave
hasty quarry
MMMkkkay...
Fox and hound ya know, an interloop, like a sptizel.
erm a spitz.
"Wait I think there is misinterpretation
I am asking of the order of the games
Like what events happened before other events
I think so far paradise is the first
Then roots then it coincides with arles and hotel , then roots ends
After that it's birthday , then seasons (but before summer in seasons , the woman goes to the lake , so Harvey's box is there)
Then case 23 and mid case 23 is theatre and parts of pre white door(bob's dreams)
And the mill coincides with case 23
Then the white door happens and then the cave
After that it's paradox and dale then goes and sees the memories of birthday and theatre
Do you have any objections with that or something to point out " Some dweeb inboxing me. Gee man....
vague imp
Woah
What is that xD
onyx nacelle
rudimentary timeline for all the games
hasty quarry
SSaded the ultimate.
I think the entire games do line up, not in chronogical order, hang on let me cut and paste my conversation with the person.
hasty quarry
saeed the ultimateToday at 3:10 PM
How do you think the order (the chronological order) of the games go
Don't be intimated by me I just like to talk to people who know a lot about rusty lake xD
K985-wethink-BoxesToday at 3:12 PM
Birthday, Seasons, Hotel, then Paradox, then Rusty Lake : Paradise, Harvey's Box, Arles.
saeed the ultimateToday at 3:13 PM
Hmm
K985-wethink-BoxesToday at 3:13 PM
Simply because Arles feels like a stand alone game, then Case 23.
saeed the ultimateToday at 3:13 PM
Paradise happened in 1796
K985-wethink-BoxesToday at 3:13 PM
I do not care.
saeed the ultimateToday at 3:13 PM
Arles in 1888
K985-wethink-BoxesToday at 3:14 PM
What is a random number right?
saeed the ultimateToday at 3:14 PM
Yes but those are dates
K985-wethink-BoxesToday at 3:14 PM
ewww.
Not even if you were the last person on earth 😛
saeed the ultimateToday at 3:14 PM
I mean
K985-wethink-BoxesToday at 3:14 PM
Calendar Azetched dates
saeed the ultimateToday at 3:14 PM
Wait I think there is misinterpretation
I am asking of the order of the games
Like what events happened before other events
I think so far paradise is the first
Then roots then it coincides with arles and hotel , then roots ends
After that it's birthday , then seasons (but before summer in seasons , the woman goes to the lake , so Harvey's box is there)
Then case 23 and mid case 23 is theatre and parts of pre white door(bob's dreams)
And the mill coincides with case 23
Then the white door happens and then the cave
After that it's paradox and dale then goes and sees the memories of birthday and theatre
Do you have any objections with that or something to point out
K985-wethink
Please post in theories.
saeed the ultimate
I'm not in the server
K985-wethink-Boxes
How are you talking to me then?
I was thinking outside the Dale and Bob idea circling around them, there are different puzzles.
hasty quarry
Something about symbols and where they lead ontop of one another.
hasty quarry
yeah.
I will not get into full alchemcial reactions on here, but ever so wonder whaty they really understand about each one, that is connected through each movie scene in the game?
vague imp
Hmmm
Upon reading the post you sent
I really think it makes sense
I'm confused with the paradox and white door events
I am not sure when paradox happens exactly
hasty quarry
I know it is a bit farfetched...
vague imp
I don't see it farfetched...
hasty quarry
Still you cannot be so sure on what the day was really cleared out on paradox and white door, events.
hasty quarry
Even though it connected within, some kind of villianous events, by the end of Case 23, you face a deer right? Against hiding speed.
Sure.
onyx nacelle
paradox happens around the same time as the white door
hasty quarry
Ehhhhhhhh everyone online gets confused by me, so you are not the first one.
vague imp
No no i meant by what i was reading
hasty quarry
Alright.
vague imp
About the rudimentary order
hasty quarry
If Paradox really occured in a cave, then you cannot see what is occuring though.
vague imp
So paradox happens at the end of the cave
That machine dale and laura are tied in
RightM
hasty quarry
It does not make .... Well some things.
hasty quarry
Machine Dale and Laura where in sure. Towards the ending, sorry memory is tricky sometimes.
vague imp
Oh I remember!
I once saw a theory about paradox being in Dale's mind
On reddit
And that it happened in the end of the cave
That the machine is paradox
Okay so let's put that onto account
hasty quarry
That makes a story in a half, but the other slot is white door?
vague imp
White door is cut to two haves
hasty quarry
Like isn't that what Laura's eyes did see out the window?
vague imp
The days and the dreams
The days happen simultaneously as of right now
The dreams happen inconsistently and are in the past
There are huge gaps between the events of each dream
hasty quarry
I see the point.
vague imp
We see a dream about theatre
A dream about case 23
And a dream about false accusations
The book written by bob
Which was at the end of the therapy
The "good" ending of the game
I wanted to note out that "false accusations" was seen in paradox
hasty quarry
Book?
vague imp
I believe that paradox happened after the white door
At least in a bit after
Yes
The book written by bob
hasty quarry
Got a screen shot of it ?
hasty quarry
That book over the slide projector
vague imp
It is safe to assume he wrote the book after he was recovered
Which
Makes a lot of sense
onyx nacelle
the only thing for a date relating to paradox i have atm is Ch 4 of Case 23 occuring during the summer of 72
hasty quarry
..... Was beginning to wonder why would they put up Robert's Hill's name in it, but only see what it is starting at it.
vague imp
He was accused of murdering laura (he didn't)
But he forgot about her
But still remembers he was accused of murdering someone
vague imp
?
hasty quarry
Just a thought, what if White Door, well we have all played it at least a few times, was duration of his own mind, of reasoning why he was at the bar.
vague imp
Hmmmm
hasty quarry
Sure it may seem all strange and having to drink a screwdriver and a bloody mary.
But why those two elixiers?
vague imp
You're saying that the white door was all in Bob's head?
Just parallel to Dale's paradox is in his head?
hasty quarry
Oh wow, I was not even paying attention what I just typed up.
vague imp
Oh
Okay so we can assume that paradox happened after the white door?
Interesting
Let me read that post again😅
hasty quarry
I think I hear my wife want something, so I got to run.
vague imp
Ngl it is confusing yet intriguing to decipher
Okay I think I got it
The one until hotel is understandable so it's not so big of a deal
Now what's interesting is the other part
Seasons and the lake is also understood so let's put that out of the way
Now
Case 23 ch 1 happened in fall of 1971
Ch2 ch3 ch4 in 1972 summer
The white door starts in August of 1972
14th to be exact
He signed to enter in 13th of August
Uh brainstorming
It hurts my head
If I remember correctly
Case 23 ch2 had bob in it
In the white door bob had a dream about case 23 so case 23 was before the white door (August 13th)
And since ch2 was in summer...
And before August 13th
.......yeah i don't know
My head hurts
I think I will take a break from brainstorming
onyx nacelle
bob was being watched by the white door staff since july 19, 1972
that might be when he was released
vague imp
July?
Where does it say that
I missed that :0
He joined the white door and signed the contract on August 13th
That was after he became corrupted and ended up on the street
I doubt he was corrupted for long
I think it was only a few days
Oh I remembered something!
Let me just watch a playthrough of a clip in paradox before i say what i remember
I might be wrong
onyx nacelle
there is an email in TWD day 4
sorry about the size, havent gotten around to editing them yet
vague imp
Oh
But
He went there in on August 13th?
Could it be some type of inconsistency or mistake by the devs or that the staff actually knew he was going to visit them
onyx nacelle
i dont think it is, look at all the people in the basement
onyx nacelle
they have known about him for a while
for that part of the game, yes
i feel they would have abducted him after a long enough period of time passed, if he hadnt gone willingly
vague imp
Okay i think i understand
So the file
I just replayed it
The file where the password is
It was made prior to when bob signed to be in the white door
Do you remember in dream 3
Bob answered a questionnaire
I think they made a file and were making his room ready before he visited
And already reserved the room for him
So when the file was left there it was asked to look at the password in the drawer that has the file
Does what i say make sense
What I mean is
Bob's file was there before bob
And they gathered his info from when they visited him which is presumably on july
onyx nacelle
true
vague imp
No wait
Bob was framed in 1972
He shot himself in 1971
Okay so they asked him for the questionnaire in fall of 1971
It took them about half a year to gather info about him I'd say
So they made a room for him and his file and put it in the drawer
Yeah that makes sense
Big brain time
onyx nacelle
i wonder if the things that dont quite line up will be fixed in the thing theyre doing due to flash being killed off
vague imp
Hmm
I think they line up
But there are small holes
Not too big but they are visible
Like we know that bob was there in August and not before
onyx nacelle
think of how much is done in the summer of 72
vague imp
But we don't know when his file was finished
Okay so
Ch 2 3 4 case 23 happen simultaneously
The 2nd part of the mill when rain starts pouring happens in the summer of 72
Bob goes wild and escapes the police in 72 and joins the white door
In summer of 72
onyx nacelle
its the part with bob being arrested cleared and whatever happens involving the white door,and having a book about his arrest published at the end of that same summer
vague imp
We don't know if it was published
We only know he made the book
Also he never was cleared
He escaped by becoming a corrupted soul
Overall about the post regarding the rudimentary timeline
I think it makes sense for the most part
I wouldn't call that guy a dweeb
They made some good points in the timeline
I will try deciphering it more when I come back home
hasty quarry
I sort of said that a bit ago, in my mind,that in 72, he was the shadow in Seasons off the bat if you press the tape first off he stated "I should not go to the police, I do not have evidence." Where as Dale was kind of iffy of the entire thing, of where something did occur to Bob.
Ah.. I am done.
See you again.
vague imp
Not to be rude but
I don't think you said that before
hasty quarry
About a month ago, I do not want find it and pinned it up on here again.
Anyways again my family wants me .
vague imp
Laura is the shadow in the seasons
And bob didn't kill her
She killed herself
I don't recall if bob ever said he sould not go to the police he has no evidence
That was dale
And he said he can't leave yet he has to find the evidence
hasty quarry
How did Dale become a cop, was it the trama duration of birthday?
vague imp
It normally does trauma is messy
hasty quarry
Ah thought so but I wanted someone else to help me with.
vague imp
Normally you take years do recover if at all
onyx nacelle
i dont know if someone else already posted about it, but i'm curious as to who sarah is working for
hasty quarry
I think, not postive Sarah could be working with Mr. Crow.
onyx nacelle
i think she's the one who killed Hoorn, given that he suspected her(maybe indirectly) of sabotaging the surgeries, and then attempting to find bob by hacking hoorns lab account the next day
i dont think she is with crow, because crow and owl are working together
and her actions in the basement are counter to that goal
unless crow and owl have separate goals that only temporarily align with the others
hasty quarry
Oh thanks, its been a spell since played the game.
onyx nacelle
it might be that i need to do some research into the actual samsara cycle to figure some of this out
and more alchemy research
hasty quarry
Sure.. I will be busy just... with things.
vague imp
How did Dale become a cop, was it the trama duration of birthday?
@hasty quarry dale isn't a cop he's a homicide detective
And I do recall of a study where people usually end up becoming something due to a problem/situation that occured to them in their childhood
If I recall that there is a person who now runs a charity dedicated to fighting cancer because his mom died from cancer
Then it could mean that's why dale became a detective
I think, not postive Sarah could be working with Mr. Crow.
@hasty quarry If I recall correctly
I have read somewhere a theory about mr crow and mr owl are starting not to get along because of differences in objectives now (I didn't understand much of the theory)
But in a way I understand that mr crow and mr owl now aren't on the same page to which is why mr crow tried to erase Bob's memories when mr owl needed it
So yeah sarah could work for mr crow
vague imp
Oh- shshsjsk lmao
And I thought you genuinely pointed out something no one really paid attention for just to know it was purely coincidental 😅
It's cool
hasty quarry
😄
hahaa......
I could be lying 😛
Cheers Conjur.
I also suffer from attention depestit disorder too, so yeah, I do not dive into such deep detail anyways.
uneven flicker
I think Sarah works for none. Considering that Mr. Owl and Mr. Crow always team up together, what she did in TWD doesn't fit to their goal(extracting someone's memory as a cube and take it to the lake...etc). Rather, it looks like she's against them. Maybe she acts for her own will. She might feel unfair that many patients in TWD are suffering, stuck in the prisons. We don't have much information nor backgrounds that might tell us who she really is, but as far as I consider, she moves by her own purpose.
vague imp
We don't know what sarah did to the cubes
She just deleted Laura from Bob's memories and there might a chance that the cubes can still be made from his memories so it doesn't alter with mr crow's motive
Mr O (owl) wanted the memories to still have laura so he had another motive at least
But Mr crow tried to make Bob froget by making him shoot himself as a "solution"
And the way Bob shot himself made it non lethal because the bullet went through the temple area of the brain which only affects memories
So crow wanted bob to forget
Seeing he can see the future because he is enlightened
There is a slight chance that mr crow and owl are parting in motives
uneven flicker
quite interesting👀👀👀especially that the bullet is for forgetting the memory...
vague imp
Yeah!
I read that somewhere on reddit
It's not my theory ewe
But I love and support it
👍
onyx nacelle
is it safe to say that Crow wants his brother back and Owl wants to stop/kill/purify the lake?
spice frigate
Sorry to sorta bother but, do you mind at least crediting the theory? at least find the link to it/remind who made it?
vague imp
Hmmmmm
I will have to dig deep
I will try but if I can't-
What should I do?
is it safe to say that Crow wants his brother back and Owl wants to stop/kill/purify the lake?
@onyx nacelle wdym
I get the first part but uhm
The second about owl not so much
uneven flicker
well I don't think Mr. Owl and Mr. Crow are against each other though. The timeline in TWD is August, 1972. But the whole story is now at the Cave, winter, 1972. And I think Mr. Owl and Mr. Crow are. working together to gain the gold cube. The dialogues they share in Cube Escape: The Cave look like they're on the same pages.
If Mr. Crow - Aldous Vanderboom - wants to save his brother(William) then why did he just watch William die in Roots(the secret ending)? I think he somehow already knows what's gonna happen in Rusty Lake, and he might accepted all. He exactly knows the future of the lake, when Dale and Laura will meet and what they're gonna become. And at some point before Roots he already made his decision.
vague imp
True
Maybe he thought he can bring him back?
Mr crow did say that he isn't dead in the past life or something like that at the end of roots
Am I wrong?
uneven flicker
Yes he said like that. And it's slightly true that Aldous wants to bring his brother back. But not as William, but as Laura Vanderboom, 'the reborn mind'. According the book in The Cave, Laura's final position is the reborn mind. So...if he wants to bring him back, that would be not as her past(William), but the whole perfect future. And that would the reborn mind. Laura Vanderboom, with the enlightenment of the lake.
And it matches the lake's final purpose. And the Bird Trios work for her... so I think they're going well? :3
But yeah what they're doing needs so much deeper understandings... It's quite hard to figure out the meanings of what they do.
vague imp
Well..
I remember that mr owl once told mr crow not to extract painful memories but mr crow extracted them still
I don't mr crow and mr owl are on bad terms or enemies, they just have different motives now
Maybe they still share the same motive (golden cube) but they also differ too
So maybe mr crow didn't want Bob's memories but mr owl did
Sorry for the late response btw
uneven flicker
it's fine no problem! 😊
Ohh and it makes sense... Yeah they may have different motives now but in the end share the same goal... hmm
And their position is quite different so...it might be true.
vague imp
Yeah
So it is plausible for sarah to be working for mr crow
And defying mr owl
But still have one goal
uneven flicker
INTERESTING👍
hasty quarry
Where is it online about your theroies though? J__?
onyx nacelle
@onyx nacelle wdym
I get the first part but uhm
The second about owl not so much
@vague imp what is Owls goal in all of this? is it to keep the spirits of his family trapped in the lake as revenge for his mother?
remove what ever caused his family to be the way they were?
hasty quarry
Mr. Owl... Wait what about his family getting all that ? That seems a bit strange of collecting his family memories like that, honestly why?
onyx nacelle
bring his mother back?
hasty quarry
Why would Mr. Owl would bring his mother back?
onyx nacelle
undo what his family did, he did kill all of their reincarnations almost a century later before trapping their spirits
hasty quarry
Still he was a child, before the ending of Paradise.
vague imp
Still he was a child, before the ending of Paradise.
@hasty quarry
Yes but he remembered everything at the end if paradise
@onyx nacelle
I think he has two main goals
One is to find the full elixir
Two is to find a successor that can get rid of the corrupted souls that infest the lake
hasty quarry
Erm I take that back, some of my best people hanging around the union to bowl, are just children and they are pretty boss.
vague imp
I don't get what you mean
hasty quarry
Never mind .
vague imp
Uhh
Okay then I guess
uneven flicker
Where is it online about your theroies though? J__?
@hasty quarry
Could you explain what you mean? I can't clearly get it. 👀💦
hasty quarry
@uneven flicker Rainy Amy asked you some time ago, sorry about I did not mentioned you eariler.
uneven flicker
What was it? Clearly I should have checked the earlier timeline...