eh, the theory is dependent on a spoiler so I htink it's ok
#🤔｜theories
crystal verge
real dock
like Laura. she's an incarnation - but she's totally different of who she's incarnated from
the same could maybe be with the animals?
crystal verge
Laura I think is the most cognizant of having a previous life (other than mr. owl and mr. crow if you call that transformation a reincarnation)
hidden ledge
they have to be the eilanders. if they aren't mr owl doesn't have a reason for revange
crystal verge
At first I assumed he just needed their souls for experiments
real dock
mr owl doesn't ever say he wants revenge
hidden ledge
they burned him alive and killed his mother
crystal verge
yeah but he could be killing them for non-revenge
real dock
yeah like the eilanders didn't want to kill jakob and caroline just for the heck of it
hidden ledge
ok but you also have the masks so it has to be them
crystal verge
it's a good link, but it's not confirmed
hidden ledge
and the hotel is biuld on the paradise island
crystal verge
the masks and locations are the same so it's a good theory that they're the same but they aren't necessarily
real dock
i feel like the animals, while they are the same as in the masks, they don't need to be incarnations - they could just be some sacred animals for the lake that the Eilanders found out about...
hidden ledge
and also uncle garar and the boar from hotel are equally annyoing 😑
small karma
so what's the link between the eilanders and the vanderbooms?
crystal verge
I think just mr. crow and mr. owl
real dock
vanderbooms and eilanders both live close to the lake - and both grew to have a near perverse intrigue with it
crystal verge
mr. owl got enlightened to the point of immortality and mr. crow did the same but through alchemy instead
it's weird how the vandermeers (besides dale) don't have any spiritual connection to the other families
hidden ledge
also a think i've been thinking about is that James's father must be a third brother becouse it is said that he is the nephew of william and i don't think mr crow would have a child
real dock
vandermeer means "from the lake" in dutch doesn't it?
crystal verge
yep!
hidden ledge
mr owl said he needs the elexir in the cave
crystal verge
meer = lake, boom = tree. so it makes sense that the roots had so much tree stuff
small karma
vandermeer and vanderboom, i mean i don't know dutch, what's the connection between the names?
crystal verge
"van der" = "from the"
real dock
it's like any language name - some sound similar but aren't related
crystal verge
there has to be a symbolic connection because this is fiction though
real dock
hopefully, cuz that would inspire even more theories....
hidden ledge
Did you notice that on the book with the tree on which laura is drawing in the white door in the corner it says rose
real dock
rose is her mother so yeah
crystal verge
rose probably died of old age right? she was born in like the 1910s or 20s
real dock
maybe the book is rose's, originally?
her death is never specified, but id imagine she raised laura to adulthood
hidden ledge
And probably Leonard and Frank are dead too
real dock
they were a lot older than rose
crystal verge
Leonard and Frank got absorbed into the tree
rose survived because she was in the clock
it's weird logic but I think that's what was implied
hidden ledge
Did you know that if you tipye cube escape in rose's level she say's my doughter will return to rusty lake
real dock
and laura, the reincarnation, would have died if there was no one to take care of her
crystal verge
and return she did!
real dock
clocks are in important roles in these games, have you noticed? ever since seasons...
crystal verge
ever since samsara room
real dock
that's true!
hidden ledge
the eilanders have a similar clock as well
crystal verge
lol even though it's not technically related
ah that's true about the eilanders
Mr. Owl and Mr. Crow are still alive but their time is running out (idk why)
real dock
in paradox
crystal verge
Laura and Dale are headed towards some climax of the series
real dock
mr owl shows his previous, current and possibly future reincarnations?
jakob, mr owl... and a fish
crystal verge
I think fish represent death to dale
real dock
that's true, since he's afraid of them for some reason. why?
crystal verge
he's got a phobia of fish I think related to his birthday, he saw the cat eating the fish and it imprinted on him?? that's a stretch but it's a theory
real dock
you're right it is the only connection to his early life
could it hace something to do with the fact that fish shouldn't be caught in mouse traps?
crystal verge
I feel like it's implied that everything in his psych evaluation has to do with his birthday incident
real dock
yep
but have you noticed?
dale was 9 in Birthday, but the news articles say he was 11
crystal verge
Hm, mistake, or meaningful?
real dock
that's what ive been thinking!
if meaningful, that would mean he successfully saved his family in Birthday, but later on his family was murdered... again- ish
small karma
wait didn't mr. owl want to use dale as his next reincarnation?
crystal verge
well he only had 9 candles on his cake, was there anything other than the number of candles to suggest he was 9?
because his family might have only had 9 candles in the house on that day
real dock
i always thought he was used to be the saviour of the lake or something similar @small karma
vivid marten
mr owl did say he wants dale to take over as ruler of the lake
he needs a successor
crystal verge
What exactly Mr. Owl has planned for Dale feels like it's going to be revealed in future games
real dock
yeah that. I don't have my notebook with me right now lmao
in The Mill there was a letter from mr Owl to Mr Crow about Dale, that told a bit about their intentions
crystal verge
ah, but he was born in 1930 and had his birthday in 1939, that would be 9
real dock
that's right
but i think in paradox they said in the newspaper: "Family killed, only 11-year-old survived" or something along the lines
real dock
lmao where is my notebook so i can have a clear memory 😂😂
crystal verge
Mr. Owl, Mr. Crow, Laura, Dale, Robert Hill, the fisherman, Mr. Bat, Mr. Toad, Harvey, the young bird, the cat, and the dog are survivors of previous games (besides new doctors/patients from the white room)
real dock
idk why but i always felt like the fisherman was aldous. maybe that's just too obvious though
real dock
the animals seem to have both human and animal forms....
crystal verge
you play as aldous in the cave
real dock
and The Mill, right?
real dock
Aldous was always a bit of a henchman-type
ever since his origin - Roots!
when he takes the elixir he turns into Mr Crow, but he sticks around to watch his family - but he doesn't touch their stories!
his goal then was to get his brother to be immortal like him
crystal verge
Poor Aldous lost his brother so he has to stay to make sure he gets reincarnated
real dock
they were very close, why else would he stick around? i had a chronological order of everything that has happened in my notebook.... it could explain some things
but i seem to have misplaced it....
crystal verge
Ah, there's the wiki timeline but it's not super detailed
well, I guess if "present time" is the 80s, I suppose rose could still be alive
real dock
she could... maybe we'll see her again?
crystal verge
I hope so, she's my favorite of the family (besides laura)
real dock
she is, in my opinion, the most interesting
she's the only one who grew in an artificial womb...
crystal verge
I hope we see more rusty lake furries
hidden ledge
mr owl's future form is fish becouse they all end up on in the lake
crystal verge
OOOOOH that is good logic
he won't necessarily be dead and gone but his soul will rest peacefully in the lake
real dock
that's a good theory @hidden ledge
hidden ledge
what's up with the thing with the moon and window
azure bay
well, I guess if "present time" is the 80s, I suppose rose could still be alive
@crystal verge this timeline image is poorly made & contains mistakes.
azure bay
mr owl's future form is fish becouse they all end up on in the lake
@hidden ledge in Theatre game a lesson was taught. A lesson about deep lore of the universe itself. The reincarnations take place according to samsara wheel. Owl's future shows us that he'll become just an animal with no power.
azure bay
I'm reading
strange oak
so..
all the games (from Seasons to White door) tell a story of Laura
that she has been killed
right?
and we still dont know who killed her
azure bay
we have some evidence
strange oak
in paradox she has been murdered by corrupted soul (btw whose?)
azure bay
have u played the 2nd chapter?
vivid marten
its implied to be dale yes
strange oak
or his soul
azure bay
or his soul
@strange oak soul is not something that can belong to Dale
It's an independent creature
with own body
strange oak
aha i got it
azure bay
It's another form of existence
strange oak
did laura left her house and go to the lake after seasons or before?
azure bay
but corrupted soul can contain memories of it's previous form
strange oak
its previous form is dale or other C. soul?
azure bay
we've seen Dale changing his form BUT
Paradox is not real. It happends inside Dale's mind
a least the room part
crystal verge
yes
strange oak
so she wasnt at the lake when died
crystal verge
no, at least not on a metaphorical level
real dock
no, in lake the true ending is that she escaped
hidden ledge
she died in the lake and they moved her body there
real dock
i think :/
crystal verge
Laura's whole status is a mystery
real dock
the mill takes place during case 23, so she was already dead
real dock
when in case 23 her body disappeared, yes
hidden ledge
owl is really just using dale to get the golden cube and do something with it
strange oak
hrmm..
crystal verge
the golden cube has to be used by dale
hidden ledge
yea i ment that
strange oak
so when laura change her past in seasons, she saw herself inside the room through the window
crystal verge
throught the doorway but yes
azure bay
There are 2 theories:
- There is multiple timelines with diffrent endings.
- If it's all in a single timeline, Laura is still a corrupted soul but lives with illusions
hidden ledge
she didn't change the past
crystal verge
oh that window, yes
hidden ledge
Her corupted soul thinks she killed her and she fought she stopped her
real dock
during the whole beginning part of seasons laura is a corrupted soul
real dock
she can undo the corruption, yup, it seems.
hidden ledge
she is still corupted we saw her in the lost soul bar
real dock
in Theater? that's dale's mind again
strange oak
i cant understand why she has gone to the lake
azure bay
Guys guys guys
Calm down I want to tell something VERY important!!!
strange oak
with harvey
real dock
tell
strange oak
sry tell please
crystal verge
the cabin isn't somewhere you can go when you're alive I think, so it only makes sense for a dead laura to go there
hidden ledge
In seasons she has just become corupted and when you are at the 3 memory and you see the blood and the knife you start to think you killed her and at the end you destroy yourslef from the past so you don't kill her
strange oak
in TWD she says Bob she want to leave the town
so i thought she wante dto go to the lake
hidden ledge
laura went to the cabin while she was alive in case 23 we saw she won a newspaper game
real dock
so she went, and possibly (?) died there
strange oak
thats why they has to break up
crystal verge
was she alive when that happened?
strange oak
yes i think she was alive
hidden ledge
i think yews
crystal verge
because that could be her spirit
strange oak
it was in the first dream when they were in owls nest
azure bay
With RL games we can NOT be sure about anything. There are lots of omissions, everyone can understand everything in his own way, and there is no 100% true
crystal verge
ghost whatever
strange oak
thats why bob couldnt touch her?
real dock
she was depressed, so maybe when she won the trip she thought that would help
strange oak
interesting
azure bay
If you want to seek the trouth, u must get my point
hidden ledge
and also at the end of the game it says you can still save your fate meaning that you are alive
strange oak
what very important did u want to say?
crystal verge
it is a schrodinger's cat case
strange oak
yep))
crystal verge
where it could make sense with her being alive the whole time or dead the whole time
azure bay
Scroll upper
azure bay
How the hell do I quote via the phone?
azure bay
K
Here:
With RL games we can NOT be sure about anything. There are lots of omissions, everyone can understand everything in his own way, and there is nothing 100% true
real dock
ive had a thought for a while that we won't get any definite answers ever, and much depends on the player
strange oak
SO one another IMPORTANT question
strange oak
Laura = William Vanderboom, right?
azure bay
Wait*
crystal verge
That is true, as a reincarnation
real dock
yes
crystal verge
not the same way that Mr. Crow is aldous
strange oak
so her corrupted soul is... his soul
real dock
but as reincarnations go, she probably doesn't remember her past life. i think she was told by her mother, and she fell into depression
her whole life's meaning changed
crystal verge
her corrupted soul would absolutely be his corrupted soul I think
strange oak
do you remember the part when Dale and Laura were sitting on chairs with strange things on their heads
ill try to find
real dock
yes!
crystal verge
the end of cave!
real dock
laura was mostly corrupt, dale mostly normal
azure bay
so her corrupted soul is... his soul
Corrupted soul is a race. U don't reborn as the same human & u don't reborn as the same "soul"
hidden ledge
they used them to make the golden cube
real dock
dale and laura are connected somehow - so dale and william are connected somehow
crystal verge
these are the stages of life
hidden ledge
I don't think laura remembers her full past life
azure bay
dale and laura are connected somehow - so dale and william are connected somehow
Don't think so
real dock
how else would they be able to create a golden cube?
strange oak
so im very close to my main idea
azure bay
I don't think laura remembers her full past life
But she still contained old memoties as shown in the Cave
strange oak
could laura killed herself?
hidden ledge
they didn't create it they used them too combine the other 3 cubes
real dock
souls remember!
crystal verge
I think laura did kill herself personally
real dock
@strange oak she was depressed so it could be a possibility
azure bay
It's just another repeat of the same scene
real dock
I'm inclined to think so
strange oak
and the second part of paradox where dales soul kills laura is wrong
hidden ledge
it was a corupted soul and noone extracted her bad memories so it can't be her
azure bay
Guys I want to tell why I dont think Laura could not kill herself!
strange oak
i listen
crystal verge
since laura and dale are related, he is witnessing her death through inserting himself
strange oak
im reading
crystal verge
not related by blood but are linked
real dock
yes, ok
strange oak
it is big mrOwls idea. he took dale and he took laura and linked them
crystal verge
I know it feels frustrating when people keep talking over you but that's just how chats work, you just have to write what you want to say
crystal verge
No way, Mr. Owl can't be the main villain. maybe someone with a lot of power, but not for evil for evil's sake
strange oak
think he s good boy idk why
real dock
i think owl is trying to stop the lake's control?
hidden ledge
He destroyed dales life
crystal verge
what was dale's life before? nothing
azure bay
William wanted to gain eternal life.
When he dies and reborn as CSoul he still wanted to live and made a lot of effort for it.
It's too stupid to think that soul that wanted to live so much, desided to kill itself. What is more, in seasons we see again that soul wanted to live
crystal verge
now he's part of a very cool soul system
real dock
he had escaped mr owl
hidden ledge
yea becouse of owl he made him into a corupted soul
crystal verge
what's so bad about becoming a corrupted soul?
strange oak
there was a letter from mr owl in birthday, where he says :it would be the worst day of your life" or smth like that
azure bay
Owl CAN NOT make souls on purpose
strange oak
then rabbit come
hidden ledge
i don't think they have much of control in the real world. they are like animals
crystal verge
Hmm, I don't know why william's soul would want laura dead
hidden ledge
yea but he killed the rabbit
real dock
other than regaining power over a body, maybe?
strange oak
yes so dales parents are alive
crystal verge
just like how Mr. Owl is testing Dale, Mr. Owl was testing Mr. Rabbit
strange oak
because grandpa killed rabit BUT theres a newspaper in paradox about killed parents
vivid marten
i dont think its a good/evil thing, mr owl has a very grey morality and the lake itself as an entity doesnt have an alignment as much as a hunger
real dock
laura was in control. william wanted immortality. laura was depressed - maybe even suicidal. she did not want to be immortal
hidden ledge
Owl is not a good person the only thing he seeks is imortality
crystal verge
laura was more than maybe suicidal
hollow raptor
dales parents are dead
they were only saved in the memory he visited, not in the real life
strange oak
aaahh
crystal verge
Owl seeks more than immortality, he seeks to aid a higher system
hidden ledge
yea
real dock
higher state of consciousness, or something
crystal verge
I think that the system is a good thing
vivid marten
it seems for mr owl that the lake needs someone in charge and he took up that mantle and now wants to pass it to dale, its less of what he wants and more of what is needed
strange oak
one another strange idea: Mr.Rabbit from birthday is corrupted sould of Mr.Rabbit from Hotel
is it?
real dock
of course he is
crystal verge
hm, different color
azure bay
I don't see any sense in trying to prove anything because noone is listening or just is keeping his old opinion
crystal verge
different shape
real dock
in hotel, you can see mr rabbit is different from all the other souls.
strange oak
when i played Hotel i saw white rabbit through the window
crystal verge
that's how chats work nowhere
strange oak
and in the end the soul had face
real dock
he has a hood and white fur, while the others are shadow-like
strange oak
++
real dock
he is the mr rabbit from Birthday
hidden ledge
i saw gameplay of hotel and there was a rabit trough the window but i couldn't activate it
hidden ledge
does anybody know why van gogh is in all of this
vivid marten
the lake was a big fan of him
azure bay
that's how chats work nowhere
Idk in another chat app I'm able to make people listen. Maybe there not so much active people at the same moment. Or so much active themes to discuss at the same moment
real dock
the only thing linking him and laura is that they were both depressed
strange oak
just because they all like van gogh in netherlands!
real dock
and that
strange oak
if we notice that mr rabbit is reflection of owl's brother from Paradise
so Owl's brother's soul killed Dale's parents
hidden ledge
it seems that corupted souls stop to exist when the person is nolonger sad.In seasons lauara's one was gone becouse she was happy and van gog's one was gone too becouse he was depressed alive
strange oak
am i right? all characters from Hotel are animals from Paradise so i thought Mr. Owl avenges them for his mother
azure bay
I guess I have to try to explain samsara theory. U make so many wrong assumptions
Have I?
azure bay
Then I demand all your attention
azure bay
So
strange oak
ive never thought i find people i can discuss it with
real dock
I'm all ears
azure bay
Theatre
strange oak
listening
azure bay
We have 6 plays about the past, the present & the future
I tryed to understand which one is about past, future, so on
But then I've started to listen
And watch
Mr Owl told us about Bob:
"The extraction of his memories caused a corrupted soul. One of the 6 stages of the wheel"
I googled that 6 stages
I've got a samsara wheel
The next line of mr Owl
hidden ledge
man you are typing slowly
azure bay
"... 6 stages of the wheel. What u may become"
man you are typing slowly
Sry. Lack of experiense
"... 6 stages of the wheel. What u may become"
That means, that Dale may become anything from the wheel
strange oak
cant understand why one of the stage is called "Alchemists"
real dock
@hidden ledge have some patience, not everyone has super fast fingers
humans, I'd imagine, in their neverending quest for immortality
azure bay
Each play presents us 1 of the stages
strange oak
a, maybe, okay, thanks
real dock
it's true. the fish and the parrot - the animal stage, the code in red - the forest...
azure bay
1 - c soul
2 - hell or demons
3 - animals
4 - demigods
5 - human
6 - gods
Check the plays yourself
real dock
6 being ? right
azure bay
6 being ? right
U've got that
hidden ledge
bye for now
real dock
bye @hidden ledge
strange oak
bb
azure bay
Harvey is an animal now
real dock
turned into one when the corrupted souls escaped
azure bay
Forest is under the lake surface
Then forest=lake
But I guess lake could be also a creature
real dock
that makes sense, because tge corrupted souls live there.
strange oak
aw its so strange and hard
real dock
I'm guessing Dale is suspected to become one
strange oak
so harvey was demigod and then turned into an animal?
azure bay
same for me
real dock
because Owl is clearly hoping something of him
azure bay
so harvey was demigod and then turned into an animal?
I think so
real dock
@strange oak yes, it's the next in line
strange oak
in paradox owl said "I need an heir, ruler of the Lake"
in the future form
with a fish head
azure bay
Then Owl tends to reborn as an animal
strange oak
so in the future mrOwl become a fish
azure bay
And Dale as something powerfull
strange oak
heh
real dock
because after being a demigod, you become an animal?
strange oak
but how to become god from demigod
real dock
unless you find true enlightenment?
strange oak
did caroline become a god
azure bay
because after being a demigod, you become an animal?
It depends
earnest timber
Caroline fused with Jacob to become Mr owl
azure bay
But Owl keeps Jacob's memories
strange oak
caroline invented the elixire right?
real dock
she did, yes
strange oak
oh
azure bay
Ah
William did
That's why his memories are so important
(wall drawings in the cave)
strange oak
btw did u notice
real dock
yes. i think they created a simpler or more stable version of it. if you drank the elixir, it was 50/50 - you die, or you become immortal - and/or a demigod?
azure bay
Another 1
strange oak
i think there a lot more connections between characters..)
strange oak
i thought it is true not theory
real dock
of course, that's the normal conclusion
azure bay
For me it's also confirmed
real dock
it seems too simple for RL doesn't it?
hollow raptor
well it could be very much true, so far no exact confirmation has been made
azure bay
But still we can make mistakes
strange oak
and their deaths are MrOwls revenge for mother
azure bay
well it could be very much true, so far no exact confirmation has been made
Agree, but I see more clues
azure bay
Mr. Rabbit is D. Eilander according to Paradox
strange oak
azure bay
David Eilander
azure bay
But still there is possibility of us being wrong
real dock
of course there is
it's RL, who knows what's right and what's wrong and will we ever know everything
azure bay
I believe, it's just very important to remember.
Just to be able to listen
To assume other versions
real dock
of course.
it's important to be able to recognise you're wrong
irl especially lmao
it's healthy
you've made very good points @azure bay
when i find my notebook ill make sure to update it
azure bay
I'd like to create RL theories map
To be able to see the whole spectrum os possibilities
real dock
i have my notebook lol, I've been searching for it all evening. im afraid a friend might have stolen it.
azure bay
Is it possible to recreate it in that case?
real dock
no... it was full of everything i did, every playthrough i did, first impressions. if i had it next to me i could recreate it but without it im lost and I can't remember everything...
azure bay
Then good luck in search
real dock
thanks...
azure bay
R u familiar with global community?
Where does it base, where I can find big theries & so on
@real dock
real dock
no... i don't think so?
bright mango
This is probably pretty obvious but
I think the color of each cube corresponds to whether a memory was good or bad
crystal verge
purified or corrupted are the terms the game used
bright mango
Aaaah okay
crystal verge
and blue... blue means going back in time
real dock
"change the past"
crystal verge
so it might be a memory that was changed by the lake
I don't remember what gold means
vivid marten
blue cubes change the past, gold cubes change the future?
crystal verge
ooh I like that
real dock
I don't think they ever told us what it means. in cave when you grab the golden one its name is "???"
but change the future sounds like something that could be
crystal verge
Mr. Crow just standing around holding a green cube
crystal verge
no no he never did that it's just a joke
hasty quarry
let me fire up the white door...
sacred sable
Has anyone noticed that the family from paradise are wearing mask that resemble the guest at the rusty lake hotel? Did the family turn into the guest after sacrificing the oldest son?
hasty quarry
Still even after the drum beat, still after the family photos, still tarots, et all, what you think the real alchimest underneath Rusty Lake is?
violet dagger
@sacred sable they are the same people
small karma
we're not sure they are
it hasn't been confirmed
might their reincarnations
might not
personally, i think they are, and the hotel game was mr. owl's vengeance on them for what they did to him and his mother
ancient blade
I'm still claiming these to be the heights of the Vanderbooms:
Albert is 109 cm
Ida is 97.5 cm
Samuel 98.9 cm
Mary 139cm
Emma 119cm
Rose 104cm
thin elk
What on earth are you using as reference?
vague imp
theories
thin elk
That's a rather unbelieveable height chart unless the entirety of Vanderboom clan was to be cursed with dwarfism
quaint grotto
lol
Theory time for the White Door.
What if Dr. Theo Hoorn was murdered because he had stepped out of line at the clinic and he was killed to conceal the secrets of The White Door Mental Health Institute...?
hidden ledge
I don't think he matters that much
surreal mantle
I think Sarah killed Dr. Hoorn. In the emails it shows that he was put in charge of basement security, so she would need to get rid of him to gain access and free the patients. Plus in his email to the manager it shows that he was suspicious of another employee and that would probably be Sarah since she is working against them from the inside.
tepid mason
Considering Sarah would have probably been killed (or worse) for erasing Robert's memories...
craggy crescent
I think Mr. Owl had him killed and there’s evidence supporting this theory in the cube map
The log doesn’t just keep track of the cubes but also shows some interesting logs of people logging in.
2000 is the year Hoorn died which we know from his daughter saying he died 20 years ago. It’s also the last date he’s recorded entering the white door database and then immediately an error is shown followed by Mr. Owl doing something in the database since he’s the manager
surreal mantle
Ooh interesting
normal charm
Rusty Lake 9876
quaint matrix
Im a bit late, but that's exactly right @small karma
ancient blade
@thin elk
https://discordapp.com/channels/319613669438914560/319613669438914560/521007869693263902
Yes, I wasted time on this.
thin elk
You lost me at "eyeballing". Don't get me wrong, there is a possibility of everyone in Vanderboom clan being drastically shorter than an average human, but I have a very hard time believing that.
Even still, the fact that you just approximated the window height seems a little bit far-fetched to me
Forgive my scepticism, I'm just struggling to believe that Vanderbooms are shorter than a five year old
bright mango
It's funny to think about though
ancient blade
I actually did do it without eyeballing afterwards, I just can't find it anymore. But I still recall that the result is still a meter. I'm also having a hard time thinking they're all dwarfs but in a game like RL, dwarfism is the least of worries.
thin elk
That... is a fair point
real dock
it doesn't make sense, the dwarfism theory, that Laura (descendant of the Vanderbooms) is normal sized then. as a newborn, she lays in Rose's arms - normal new born size.
it's the same kind of theory that makes Gru (from despicable me) 14ft tall, right?
thin elk
Here's a scary thought
I'm not confident on the employment wages in netherlands during the time White Door takes place in
vague imp
i literally have no idea what you are saying bcs i literally was in a "coma trial verison"
for 2 hours
thin elk
However, I can't imagine that Bob would make a lot of money as a factory worker making bird food, and since he's apparently one of the two workers in said factory, the other being a bitch of a boss, there has to be a reason for staying there OTHER than money
Here's my proposal
vague imp
mfw when you are the only worker there...
thin elk
Harvey eats a lot, and i mean A LOT of food, and taking a bird food factory job was the only way Bob could help Laura feed her goddamn parrot :D
vague imp
legit..
thin elk
He hungers
analog maple
He has to eat one worker a day, and the boss wants to save Bob.
ancient blade
Harvey: w̵̾̾h̸̾͝ë̸̼r̴͗̀ȩ̴̓ ̴̽̌ḯ̴͐s̴̈́͛ ̶́̇m̸̛̀y̶̠͆ ̵̓͛ḍ̴̈́å̵̍i̶͐͝ĺ̸̀y̷̌͒ ̸͇̋s̴̓͜a̷͆̌c̸̎̎ȓ̵͠i̶̳̓f̶́͛i̷̊͑c̷͊͐e̴͊͑
rigid rain
Does anyone have any ideas what exactly happened to Laura after she committed suicide ?
I know she became a corrupted soul and her memories were taken, but what came after that ?
vague imp
Wait what I thought Laura was murdered..?
rigid rain
No, I think it's heavily implied that she killed herself due to depression
vague imp
Both are implied. The only time we see her after The Mill is in The Cave, at the bottom of the lake, in the machine that creates the golden cube and we see only Dale emerge from what many believe is Laura and him battling out the roles they will take in the lake's future.
tall gull
wait but doesnt dave turn corrupted and end up killing laura in paradox?
or did I completely misinterpret that
vague imp
Paradox is very.... paradox.
There are several different endings for it and it's implied that (almost) none of the endings really put an end to the loop they seem caught in. But what you said is one of the possibilities, yeah.
tall gull
ohh
hasty quarry
There are several endings to paradox, in the end, I still think that bird Harvey repersent's Laura, because you can view them at the same time, sort of a recarnation trick.
hidden ledge
Johnsson
hasty quarry
John sson... What is the meaning behind the name?
gaunt ravine
Johnson is the name of the company that you call to get bird food in paradox
vague imp
There once was a bloke called John
And this guy also had a son
He would find no name
So, much to his blame
His kid would be called Johnsson.
sacred sable
So I have a theory as to what happened to the family after the events of Paradise. The family was reincarnated into the animals they wore masks of and so the death of each of the guest of the hotel might have something to do with the family’s death. Idk
hollow comet
@sacred sable Many people think the same. It makes sense why Mr Owl had them all killed in the Hotel (they killed him when he was Jakob).
hasty quarry
Well.... I thought it was Harvey who killed them all inside Hotel.
hasty quarry
Here is something fresh, I am thinking ontop of my head, with Dale being corrupted at the end of Paradox, does that mean he is a memory to Bob though?
hollow comet
@hasty quarry Yeah that's why I said Mr Owl had the guests killed.
hasty quarry
No somethings fishy.
I think that Dale was just sitting in the chamber duration of GC exchange, I think that Dale was transported as a child.
Anyone know what is Jackobs Date of Birth?
I think that Dale somehow pulled off a doctor who thing duration of birthday.
I think that White Rabbit was dale, since there was no one around as the time cube, was presented with each of the cake, balloon, ice, drink etc.
hasty quarry
Mr. Bat... Anyone know what or who he is? I was thinking the father, whose son turned into a mosquito suddenly....
formal hazel
Do you think the animals killed in the Hotel are actually mr owl's family?
@hasty quarry I don't think it was Dale I think it was Mr owl's little brother.
How did the paradox actually end?
vague imp
Jokes aside...
Yes, I'm very convinced the Hotel guests are the Eilander clan.
Also, I think Paradox either didn't end at all and a part of Dale is still trapped in a loop or it ended by Dale getting out of the machine we saw in The Cave. If so, the ending within Paradox that gets closest to that is where Dale ||finds the golden cube and opens the wall to the elevator||.
mighty sorrel
I think....
Rusty Lake Hotel came first.
grizzled bluff
I always assumed the whole Hotel business was petty revenge that just so happened to have an actual benefit
vague imp
I don't even think it had a benefit.
I mean, now corrupted souls are haunting the lake and they have to clean up that mess.
grizzled bluff
...fair enough!
Also gotta say, can't really disagree with the desire for revenge in the first place
Although the poop sandwich went too far!
The murder/suicide(??) was fine, perfectly appropriate
But c'mon!!
vague imp
Though if you go by the "stages of the wheel" and looked into the meaning of each stage in the wheel of life, it was pretty much inevitable.
The sandwich I guess just illustrates how far Mr. Boar's obsession goes, as does the suicide of Ms Pheasant which I think she did because she couldn't take being only obsessed with her looks and having her picture taken anymore.
(Making her the only one to see how meaningless her life actually is and wanting to move on)
grizzled bluff
I remember reading a thing about how gunpowder can act up when combined woth the camera flash
So it could still have been a murder
But it was clealy staged as a suicide, so that interpretation still seems pretty fitting to me
vague imp
No no Paradise comes before hotel
hollow comet
@hasty quarry Paradise takes place in 1796. Jakob appears no older than a 20-25 yo, so he was probably born 1770 to 1776.
vague imp
@hollow comet actually I think Jacob to be closer to his 30s, with the portrait showing him as a teenager or at least preteen, him saying that was 15 years ago.
(Though not wanting to nitpick...)
It's probably not alltoo relevant.
shy pecan
I kinda wanna say Rusty Lake Hotel has a Hotel California feel to it, like you can check out anytime you like but you can never leave.
Also I'm sure after Mister Boar died there certainly was the warm smell of carnitas.
vague imp
...
Speechless xD
shy pecan
But Mister Owl doesn't seem vengeful. All of the things he does seems to be in service to the lake.
He seems pretty over getting sacrificed, which hey man you got to be a lot more chill than me to do that.
vague imp
Tbh I'd like to see a Hotel California/Rusty Lake Hotel fanvideo...
silver anvil
That would be cool!
shy pecan
Sure, show the dining hall when talking about champagne on ice and then the baby bird locked up when talking about prisoners of our own device.
Trouble is the souls did eventually break out.
vague imp
If I had more than a phone on my hands, I'd do it this instant...
shy pecan
Dark desert highway might be a tough line. That's why there should be Rusty Lake: Oasis, where cryptic sacrifice is required to end a drought.
Or maybe people satisfy their thirst with pure evil, the kind talked about in the second season of Twin Peaks.
hollow comet
Maybe Mr Owl, having become a 'higher being' doesn't let his emotions express themselves. Much like Yoda or pretty much any old and wise character.
shy pecan
Hehe, yeah sure. Like on the outside he's all "Thank you Harvey. The lake will be grateful." But inside he's all "Finally those jerks are dead and I'm torturing their souls. Paradise sucked, so I leveled the island and built a hotel over it."
hollow comet
@shy pecan Exactly!
hasty quarry
I somehow stumbled on how Roots and Paradise's puzzles where the same, on accident in my brain last evening.
@vague imp Know you are right about the stages of wheel thing, it did come together, knowing those two where smitten for each other, or been married forever hahahaa XD
hasty quarry
Sort of thinking of the Hare and Rabbit, both the Hare the brown one as in the magician area for hotel, Rabbits in Birthday, well I think they are two different people.
hollow comet
This is related to The White Door:
I think we can all agree that the manager of the White Door (the mental facility) is Mr Owl (he appears many times in person too).
On Day 4 we can access to many accounts on the machine and one of those accounts is simply named 'O', which I think is short for Owl.
Upon entering the password to this account, we get ||an achievement as well as|| access to two emails, ||one from Sarah (the nurse) and the other from Dr Hoorn.||
||Dr Hoorn's mail is almost certainly in reference to Sarah, as it mentions 'a staff member's other intentions with the patient'.||
Later, I don't know in what year, ||Dr Hoorn ends up dead.||
The point of all this is, is Mr Owl an established crime boss?
hollow raptor
maybe sarah is not as innocent as we thougt ~
hollow comet
Our worst fears have been rea- static.......
hasty quarry
That is what I have been trying to say to everyone, escape while you can.
Everyone run.
hasty quarry
Eh, but you are too young anyways, you have not seen everything.
hasty quarry
Still young.
spice frigate
I'm much more younger'
hasty quarry
just a child 😛 I am -fourty.
hasty quarry
Eh I may look young, but my brain.... well it caved in since started playing SMB. (supa mario brothers)
spice frigate
but guys, let's take it to #🛖｜the-cabin hm? ^^
hasty quarry
ok
hasty quarry
So.. I kind of wonder if the theory behind Harvey's first egg, even though Harvey's been starving forever and waiting for her birdseed, I kind of wonder what was inside the birdseed.
vague imp
Canary grass!
Everytime i hear the word Canary i get deep dark anxious fear
Well, I'm afraid of chickens since I was a toddler, so
Playing Ocarina of Time was traumatic af.
#🛖｜the-cabin but ye
hasty quarry
Same here, Eld 🙂
Canary grass, I kind of wonder if each blue print was printed on the newspaper for Harvey's egg birth ?
mighty sorrel
hasty quarry
No order at all, although if you follow Dale and also Laura you will meet different places and solve for "X"
hollow comet
Hey why do the corrupted souls speak backwards though?
vague imp
I think it's just a way of sounding different and creepy the devs chose.
vague imp
More interesting: why does Mr. Crow speak like that during The Mill. (I'm also still not over the absence of mirrors in the mill...)
And ooh, thanks, yeah that makes sense Ursula.
I never even watched an episode.
vague imp
He spoke that way with Dale when he called too.
crystal verge
it's not like corrupted souls don't understand normal speech anymore
I think when I first played mill I assumed all voices would be backwards
vague imp
I mean, he also had his mouth stitched shut. But how exactly does that lead to corrupted soul speech?
crystal verge
stitched shut mouth = corrupted soul mouth? (as seen in the white door)
it's my belief that it's just Early Installment Weirdness (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EarlyInstallmentWeirdness), but I hope that there is a lore reason
hasty quarry
I never watched an episode the newer series, I think I may have vaguley remember watching the early years of it on t.v. but not so sure.
hasty quarry
Been thinking of having An Albert moment, what if, he was not evil, was rather born really pretty great as a child, I kind of wonder - oh wait Roots.. Kind of wonder why he started with a butterfly?
vague imp
Thanks for the link Ursula. I was thinking much the same, couldn't post though, for a while.
Albert's development, or in fact any of the happenings in Roots were heavily influenced by us as the players and thus by William's corrupted soul who in turn was driven by collecting the sacrifices. Rose, as the family member who consciously agreed to help him was harmed the least.
hasty quarry
Ah. Thanks for the heads up Eld.
vague imp
Forgot to mention: the butterfly is the same kind his sister caught on the day Albert got scarred further.
hasty quarry
Ah.
I kind of thought that, was a symbolism of like destroying his siblings though, and not pyshcially hurting them in anyways.
hasty quarry
Does Dale acutally die?
crystal verge
I think he's kind of in a limbo state, he could come back from it alive and "just having had a weird dream" or he could die as part of it
hasty quarry
Limbo state?
crystal verge
an in-between
between life and death here, but limbo can also refer to being between heaven and hell
hasty quarry
I know what Limbo is, but that is strange of saying inside the straightness of upbringing religion on here.
crystal verge
people often use limbo to mean stressful waiting in-betweens without religious meaning where I'm from
hasty quarry
I see. It is also like a small little space in betwen the earth and space.
hasty quarry
Anyhow, I still think about the different variations on each section of Roots, on basic things . [b] on how come no one covered the well?[/b]
hasty quarry
Any guesses on how did Birthday's events come about?
I had no choice,
this substance from one of my past lives is my only chance of escaping this state.
forgive me. - What Substance was Mr. Rabbit talking about?
vague imp
The substance is the pistol in the case, which young Dale gives his grandfather after he turns back time.
In the timeline where the rabbit-masked person isn't killed, he stole the pistol.
hasty quarry
Ah.
hasty quarry
I think that Mary was just vanishing of old age in the background, but in the hand puzzle, it sort of got cut off, by a blade though, but in lying game, she is shown with gloves on.
Concealing evidence for like a scar on her wrist.
Why was Emma present in the wedding photo, looking older? What the hecccckkkkkkk?
hasty quarry
Maybe by a far margin, Emma did not really die, she was a bit older in art style, and just rebuild as Lady of the lake.
Emma become Mrs. Pheasent.
hollow comet
I thought Elizabeth was Ms Pheasant
vague imp
Correct. Emma's long dead
vague imp
The years were changed with an update because the Roots timeline had errors. Guessing it was Emma's death that was moved around most since in the updated version her death and the incident at Rusty Lake Hotel is still in the newspaper when the lying game happened but it's supposed to be years later. I'm not super content with the timeline either....
hasty quarry
Ah thanks. Somehow I was foggy about the time line.
Still if you look at the wiki, and see the wedding photo, you will see a much older Emma, grey hair and blue dress.
... Raghav, the flutist?
vague imp
Yeah, assuming though that the way she looks is because of her worry and being heartbroken because of Frank.
vague imp
Ohhhhh.... wow. My brain's just running wild but:
17 year old Emma experiments with flowers and gets pregnant in the "Fertility" chapter. But! What if, to hide her pregnancy and the identity of the father, she just acted like that's how she conceived Frank and he in fact is either a) the child of Harvey or b) the child of someone she exchanged messages with via parrot Harvey?
hasty quarry
I was wondering why that linked up together, almost slightly though, but yeah, kind of thought of that eariler today, about been wondering how come did Emma's own light and no seed to her garden.
Still the bee? I kind of wonder how come only one bee throughout the entire library of RL.
Meanwhile they highlighted the Beetle, and Moths. Inside the Wiki. Huh.
Buttttttttt Black Moths dated since Season. I am kind of in this paradox, hang on. What if bear with me, been up since 4 a.m., inside Harvey's Egg shell started out with Black Moths, what if one of them somehow piggyed back a ride on the Bee in Roots, and somehow a light..
Because they only focus on one, and not the full swarn of them, in each game, reading the wiki right now.
c) Maybe one of them got trapped inside Harvey's little carrier tube on accident.
vague imp
There was a beehive game in Paradise, on the gnats and lice day.
But otherwise...
Moths are most likely highlighted because they're associated with death and mystery, beetles I think it's because some people find them gross, so using the for the slight uncomfortable feeling horror themed stories often want to keep up. Like.. the first beetle we found in dead Laura's mouth...
hasty quarry
True.
Wasn't there a bee in Arles?
OOPS moth.
Oh wait there was another swarn in White door. But why those two times?
hollow comet
Well in the flower level (Emma), William is the one who cross-breeds flowers
And considering that William orchestrates his own rebirth through Rose
Can it be that Leonard is William's (at least his corrupted soul's) son?
Crazy, but it just popped up in my head
hasty quarry
No, I honestly do not think so, Leonard was born duration sometime in ww1, William was much born after that.
hollow comet
Yeah, reborn as Laura
hollow comet
But we, as a player, experience Roots through William's corrupted soul
His objective was his rebirth. I don't think he was interested in anyone, probably just pissed at his brother
hasty quarry
Beetles are also associated with change, balance, and consistency. They stand for natural changes and creativity because they come in different shapes, colors and size, and are always up to something new. ... Symbolic color meaning of a beetle: The symbolism of this insect is also very interesting. Ah.
I found that on google.
Hahaaa. 🙂 "William: I am going to soooooo do something wrongdoing."
hollow comet
Imagine speaking that in the backwards corrupted soul voice
I wouldn't want to be Emma, or Rose
hasty quarry
"Ginodgnorw gnihtemos od oooooooooosssss ot gniog ma I."
Not many people can type backwards in english 🙂
hollow comet
So you can do that on the fly?
hasty quarry
Anyways back on the theory of Moths and Beetles.
So Sworn od Moths, repersent mystery, meanwhile Beelte is change, ergo I think Laura was going throughout different changes, as it is burnt on our brains somewhere in the back of them, because people might look at us strange 🙂
Bee repersent, I think "Fertile" as into the soil and ground. As into burried down deep.
hollow comet
Can that explain why corrupted Bob eats fly infested green donuts?
hollow comet
How?
hasty quarry
Well this will take sometime for my brain to process.
hollow comet
I'll gladly wait
hasty quarry
I think that Corrupted Bob, towards the end of the game, get so used to comptuer programing, he sees the green donut as a synax click, ergo in his mind, he only sees it as a part of the program, as it goes even deeper then that, I think CB is even younger then Bob Hill is.
hasty quarry
Used to the comp program as Bob did.
hahahaaa... I think it is, since it is in his dreams. Since the accident, since been drinking some adult drinks..
Maybe it deals with the donuts and coffee?
-oh wait be pulled out - OOPS... I said too much.
hollow comet
I posted a theory related to the White Door a few days ago, but nobody noticed LOL
Can I repost?
hasty quarry
If you feel up to it.
hollow comet
I gave it much thought
So here it is
Repost:
This is related to The White Door:
I think we can all agree that the manager of the White Door (the mental facility) is Mr Owl (he appears many times in person too).
On Day 4 we can access to many accounts on the machine and one of those accounts is simply named 'O', which I think is short for Owl.
Upon entering the password to this account, we get an achievement as well as access to two emails, one from Sarah (the nurse) and the other from Dr Hoorn.
Dr Hoorn's mail is almost certainly in reference to Sarah, as it mentions 'a staff member's other intentions with the patient'.
Later, I don't know in what year, Dr Hoorn ends up dead.
The point of all this is, is Mr Owl an established crime boss?
hasty quarry
I never figured out the password for Mr. Owl.
Well... Possibly. The evdience is right there, and Dale cannot figure head or tails of it.
hasty quarry
🙂
hasty quarry
I just had this thought suddenly. If William was reborn, as Laura, wouldn't they have the same eyes?
vague imp
Because souls don't have genes?
hasty quarry
.. you are right.
vague imp
I get lost in theories too when I don't watch out.
hasty quarry
cheers my friend. I am going to be busyyy 🙂
hasty quarry
Anyways, was sort of darting in the back of my head today.
What if each cube was direct of one another, if we could stack them by rainbow colors?
hasty quarry
Laura, did they show her first birth?
thorn copper
We can see Rose carrying baby Laura out of the lake at the end of Roots if that's what you mean
thorn copper
Whatcha mean?
hasty quarry
If Roots was her rebirth, did she had a Mom and Dad?
thorn copper
Not really
I believe Rose raised her, but as in biological parents she had none, or could we say they were William's parents?
hasty quarry
By slaughtering her entire family..... hmmm..
Keep that in mind, if her Great (x5) grandfather was James.
thorn copper
It's all weird
Cause she doesnt have William's mind, but also is William reborn
So James is her greatx5 grandfather and also cousin
thorn copper
Mhm
hasty quarry
Okay so a little bit later on, we see them as tarot cards.
thorn copper
Ida's cards? Yeah, I dont think those have much more meaning other than foreshadowing the rest of Roots. Although I forgot like almost all roles other than Albert was the devil..
hasty quarry
King was Emma, Queen was James.
thorn copper
Wait wasnt Emma the hanged man?
hasty quarry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45iB6zeHhdA to refresh your memory.
hasty quarry
Harvey did see everything in roots.
You just do not know, who is playing who anyways.
@thorn copper Wait in seasons? Sorry, I'm a bit confused.
Also I just remembered that in Cave when you're aligning the pictures of memories there's one when she's looking at the Hotel with Harvey on her shoulder.
Also on a different topic- in one of those she writes "There will be blood" on the wall, just like Albert.
Foofi, are you at that part where in Recreation you have those guides? If you didnt reboot it yet, you can find it on those blueprints. Do the other things on them and the doctor will once drop something .
In Seasons, even though we do not see her, as a bird, she is sprouting her emotional wings, Beetles repersent change, I put it up here many days ago.
She was changing into the African parrot.
thorn copper
I don't know about her changing into a bird herself, tho its a neat theory
hasty quarry
😄
I think it was somewhat early on hinted, but it is a shot in the dark. 🙂
Ah, just remembered about there is another one of Harvey's eggs in Case 23.
thorn copper
Oh yeah
We still havent figured out everything about Harvey and the eggs, if anything at all
hasty quarry
I think somehow Harvey's eggs come from the red forest, like each pattern is like stars or even the night itself, like a black cube and white cube collaburation, maybe it does come from Harvey's memories.
As someone who want to be immortal online, I think its right on the money.
heavy basalt
In the Day 7 dream "The Bird" when you get the achievement, ||Laura draws Rusty Lake Hotel instead of a robin||. However Bob still says "I am sorry. It is gone now." Is it really gone? What do you think happened to it?
vague imp
@heavy basalt good question. The "disco night" achievement was weaved in conclusively, though not sure if the devs really planned it that way. Why (and how) would it be gone...?
heavy basalt
I was sort of thinking the same thing that they didn't put as much thought into the flow of the story for that one. But I feel that it could be foreshadowing something for one of their future games. @vague imp
vague imp
Yeah. I've been theorising he could just mean "you're gone from it and can't return". But that's kinda bland.
heavy basalt
But then again, it's all in his head... 🤔
Maybe it has to do with Dale taking Mr. Owl's place and changing the hotel into something else.
Mr. Owl transformed it from Paradise Island when he took over. Also, at the end of Rusty Lake Hotel, Dale is seen arriving at the top of the elevator which ends up at the Hotel.
But how Bob would know that, I have no clue.
hasty quarry
IT does feel kind of bland though, I kind of wonder what kind of view did Bob saw, when he witness to Dale riding it.
Mr. Owl could of said "You are gone from the accidents of the past, you are going right direction flow kid."
hasty quarry
I am thinking of the hand in the first locker in roots, and begun my own theories in a giant rope, on how Harvey knew Emma, well it could be like Harvey's own human hand, even without noticing into far then detail on how it is hanged upside down. Like it was a second thought, sitting here and my mind wonders throughout as much as it can.
Five fingers, right and the ring. Blue right? It has a blue diamond, right...
no it is gold, sorry my mistake.
Anyways continue with my thoughts, on how it is hanged upside down, with just nail polish or just no nail polish it is like white or clear right.. never mind.
hasty quarry
Where does Cube escape ends, and Rusty Lake truly begin?
thorn copper
I dont think there's a line that seperates them really. They're mixed up both in the timeline and release dates
grizzled bluff
In the Cube Escape games you're literally escaping a cube
The Rusty Lake ones are more varied in local
(Locale?)
thorn copper
Yesh
hasty quarry
ah.. Does that mean the makers are really scrambled their brains?
thorn copper
Well I think most of it is planned, it's just that they probably want to keep the original cube escape format which suits for a certain part of the franchise while also having Rusty lake titled games. I guess it's just to define which type of game it is, tho they're pretty much always surprising
hasty quarry
Still what bugs me, is this, after Cube Escape : Case 23, after Dales dives into the elevator, how come he does not speak with his staff? And say "Well there is a strange case involving cubes, taking my massive sabbatical now, I will not be back for ohhhhh a hundred years?"
hollow raptor
well he was kinda kidnapped from the police station, and back then mobile phones weren't around yet
hasty quarry
I was thinking old school, of writing it down on his desk for the staff to see.
hollow raptor
he lost his conciousness, so he didn't really have a chance
hasty quarry
But.. He did draw a map, and numbers, left clues around the officee. You are right.
So when was the real time, that Dale was happy ?
I am guessing around before the rabbit killed his folks.....
thorn copper
I think someone here talked about this before, a theory that in Case 23 its not his real office but more of an illusion since there isnt a door out, just like in Seasons. There is also no door out, and in Case 23 Dale just gets to see that room disappear, as if it was never there
hasty quarry
I kind of get that.
Illusions of the mind, of where you get so used to someone, or an enviorement of where, you can lose control.
Like really falling in love with someone.
thorn copper
Feels like something like that
In Seasons it's like she's trapped there (well, like all cube escape games), or in her mind. There's that phone just disturbing her with voice messages, and then there's the egg which someone mentioned could have disturbed William thats somewhere there with her in her mind.
hasty quarry
Even the most brilliant minds, with highest pyschologic advances, and Intel, can get a little batsy after a while, sitting in a room with a typewriter and a window. Watching the leaves fall.... Her?
Lauras or someone else?
thorn copper
Ye Laura
hasty quarry
Really bad chills down my spine, Shrimp.
hasty quarry
not just that, but the entire game.
The only happy is the soundtrack...
I mentioned about ages ago "RL does a number to your soul."
Heading offline, for my brothers birthday see you folks.
thorn copper
Alrighty, have fun!
And yeah, RL really does a lot to you. Though I'm thankful, really feel like it's shaping my thoughts for the best
hasty quarry
😄
Even though I have not played a game since Birthday a bit ago... Still it is changing my shape of my mind. Always pushing into different cubes too.
thorn copper
I see what you did there
hasty quarry
I still think in Laura's mind, as she somehow lurks in Dale, a cop, whose lost all hope.
hasty quarry
@heavy basalt I think that prospective sketch was her visions in Seasons, even though it felt out of time. I still think Laura has been around for countless Centuries. Almost she is never eating, only in White Door, she has a cup of coffee with her love.
thorn copper
Ohyeah I never thought about those sketches on the board in Seasons
And who was she leaving messages to? Bob?
vague imp
I actually think that particularly the green (or neon yellow, i guess) messages are the most prominent thoughts on Laura's mind at that time.
Each time we enter a season, in the introduction there are the words "what do I remember".
So we're not in a physical space, but in a memory/cube.
thorn copper
Thats sounds right
hasty quarry
Bingo!
toxic sand
why does mr crow look like dale's grandpa?
thorn copper
It could be that it was just because in Birthday that's just a memory-though changed. So maybe Mr. Crow is participating in the memory, or was really his grandpa (doubt it tho), or just looks alike. I thought I had it clear until I played White Door with the theatre scene, idk if you played it so not gonna spoil anything
thorn copper
You mean the grandpa and bartender?
vague imp
Yeah (as in, I've seen people say this)
Still I think being the same person and the reasons why are separate questions. Even if an answer is established it's probably not that simple/obvious in the Rusty Lake universe.
hasty quarry
They both look similar, I kind of wonder of the Bartender is the younger version of grandfather in Birthday.
||If that is true, I kind of wonder even far more in depths, of the matching line in "Go fix me a drink" and "That will be x ammount of money. f/in the white door."||
thorn copper
Yeah also the part when the Bartender says ||that Bob should kill himself (still not very clear to me)|| is interesting. In Theatre it seems like the Bartender doesnt affect him at all, other than constantly giving him drinks
hasty quarry
Irony, Bloody Mary, screw driver, is leathel in reality.
vague imp
Well some might argue about aldous' intent
I heard some say that he gave bob the pistol knowing that it would solve his laura problem by forgetting her
Because apparently the method bob shot himself turned out to be non letha
Lethal*
Because the temples area has nothing too important that keeps the brain from functioning
However it's the core of the memory area
Which will make you have trouble remembering stuff or forgetting at all
Which some argue that this was aldous' intent
hasty quarry
It kind of wasn't though of Aldou's intent was not killing Bob for his memories, maybe the inside voices, of like ohhhhhhh Roots would of cleared it out even for the times worth.
I think that Roots was somehow burned into Bob's head,
hasty quarry
Bob's connection is Laura, right? Laura's rebirth was Roots.
I think that William was telling about his side of the story, duration inside Bob's head somewhat.
I know it may seem like a messy ordeal to walk through itself.
vague imp
I think it was messy because he was having random recollections of his life but non related to aldous or roots
And laura is the rebirth of william
Which i don't at the time had all the memories remembered yet and she was dead at the time and in the lake and her memories still weren't extracted
hasty quarry
Could you collabirate even more?
vague imp
Well
We know that in theatre it was 1971
And the woman went to the mill afterwards
But her memories only got extracted in 1972
Here it gets confusing because the mill takes place in both 1971 and 1972
Anyways the extraction of Laura's memories were in 1972
Bob shot himself in 1971
hasty quarry
But we do not know the excat date or time.
hasty quarry
oh.
vague imp
Here me out
In case 23 laura gets taken away in 1971 (when she basically teleports upside down)
We know that from the date they put in chapter 1 of case 23
Oh and also dale calls aldous there in the mill and aldous tells him his place is taken etc and suddenly after laura disappears in case 23
In the mill when you hang up laura teleports to you
That implies that mill and case 23 ch 1 coincide
Now
In case 23 ch 2 in Dale's office
It says the date is 1972 (where we see bob there too)
Dale puts the cubes and passes out and then sees himself in the chapel
hasty quarry
quietely listens.
vague imp
Meanwhile in the mill when you turn on the tv you see dale putting the cubes then teleporting outside which then in turn mr owl appears and teleports him to the chapel
And that implies that the mill and ch 2 of case 23 coincide
So basically the mill happens in 1971 and 1972
The problem is that they don't give a proper time skip and stuff making it look like it happened all in the same time
hasty quarry
Ah now I remember why both cubes are teleporting chambers. Thanks for the reminders.
I think in each moment that jumps throught, the passive is super imposed into one another's own events. It is like sleeping awake.
Or sleepwalking Dale, since he is not fully aware until it is too late.
vague imp
Thhe thing is i believe that it was mr owl who teleported dale not the cubes
hasty quarry
IF Mr. Owl was there in the mill. does that imply something?
vague imp
He wasn't inside the mill
He was next the chapel
But if you mean as in the game ce mill then yes he in the game
Mr owl left a message to aldous in the mill
Saying thay if dale finds two cubes he left him than he will teleport him to the chapel
And so he did
hasty quarry
Ah.
So he was next to the chapel, when Harvey was flying over right?
I think there is a link in betwen space of where Case 23's 1st intermission linked up.
hasty quarry
Didn't I remember that Harvey's was......oh that was in Paradox.
hasty quarry
That was in paradox's channel that Harvey flown over hahaa
vague imp
Yep
I can continue and tell you how the chapel ch 3 of case 23 coincides with the mill too if you want
hasty quarry
You are right, it is after the mill, before Mr. Deer's speed engages duration of the last puzzle.
It has been several weeks since I last played a rusty lake game, so I am a bit rusty hahaa.
vague imp
Lol
hasty quarry
I could fire one up on my tablet, but it takes me a ton of time to get through one.
vague imp
So after he extracts the memories of laura she becomes a corrupted soul and attacks harvey , then afterwards she leaves and aldous goes away from the mill to row
Dale then figures a way to escape the chapel and sees aldous' boat
And that's how ch 3 coincided with the mill
Want me to continue with ch 4 and the cave :)
Cuz idk why but i feel hyperactive today lmao
hasty quarry
Only if you have the time 🙂
vague imp
I do
Okay so
After dale rides woth mr crow you know the whole deer will kill you story so basically dale escapes and manages to go down the elevator
Meanwhile Aldous rowed to the cave and the cave events started happening
Meanwhile we see in the murals of the cave dale reaching the forest under the lake and mr owl guiding and protecting him
Then dale enters the white cube we see at the end of the cave
hasty quarry
White cube, yeah... I read that as White Cave lol.
vague imp
Aldous continues with the whole cave story and then reaches the white cube room
hasty quarry
I was like manny man must of found another RL game we know nothing about.
vague imp
He sees dale tied up there with laura with a machine which probably was jakob who did that
Lmak
Lmao *
hasty quarry
So Jackob, somehow escaped Roots, just to tie both of them up?
hasty quarry
Well he was Mr. Owl for a spell then yeah....
vague imp
Mr owl is jakob
hasty quarry
hahaa..
too much reading in between the lines, hahaaa..... No Mr. Owl was in Seasons lol
vague imp
Hm?
after we see dale tied up the events of paradox happen
It was in Dale's head in the machine
After that comes ce theatre then comes ce bday
hasty quarry
Sorry trying to lighten up the atomsphere in here.
hasty quarry
Then events of pardox occured just before CE Birthday?
vague imp
Yup
And actually there's a common misconception i want to point out too
Ce theatre happened BEFORE ce bday not after
hasty quarry
*Theater, Paradox, Birthday, then what?
vague imp
No
It's cave , paradox (still in the cave) theatre , bday
And then hopefully the vision from hotel
Dale going to the hotel
hasty quarry
gling, not familiar with that word.
vague imp
Going**
hasty quarry
Alright.
hasty quarry
Sooooo....... where is Dale in the entire ordeal of Hotel?
vague imp
And when he turned it off paradox was just finished
Hm? Wdym?
I didn't quite get what you mean
hasty quarry
You said about a moment ago.
vague imp
Oh