Could be, tho I think there are many hints to Mr Crow
#🤔｜theories
thorn copper
There's a letter from Mr. Owl for Mr. Crow I think, plus the photo
And I think it says so on the Wiki, which isn't official but still
manic glade
One of the official timelines Rusty Lake put out on their blog a while ago said it was Mr. Crow
thorn copper
Ooh
manic glade
vague imp
Oh! Nice, thanks @manic glade
manic glade
No problem
vague imp
Kinda disappointed now, lol.
Thought I was onto something.
thorn copper
Rusty Lake is very tricky it's sometimes very easy to take a totally different direction in theories
vague imp
I'll say...
silver anvil
I still don't understand how Vincent Van Gogh ties into the Vanderboom or Eilander families. Does anyone have a theory on this?
silver anvil
But it still doesn't make sense to me
vague imp
I more think it's by ways of reincarnation.
One sec I typed a thing recently. (It's long)
You played The White Door I hope?
silver anvil
Well, we do use Van Gogh's ear for Paradox.
Also, yes, I did play The White Door, but plan to play it again to find more clues.'
vague imp
Ok, just want to make sure to not spoiler you.
silver anvil
It's alright
vague imp
Ok, so here goes:
||So far, I have been thinking that Bob could be van Gogh reborn because of the shotgun wound as we saw it in Theatre and Paradox. It matches with where the gun was held to van Gogh's/the corrupted soul's head in Arles.
In White Door it's suddenly on the other side, though.
(considering the mirror)
As we know, Theatre and Paradox all happen in Dale's head. What we see are his memories. His own memories could colour what he sees, meaning he could be former van Gogh and remember his own wound on the right side of his head, projecting this onto Bob.
Another thing that seems awkward: why is van Gogh using a relatively modern revolver if a pistol would be more fitting for his time?
The pistol Mr. Rabbit is getting (or trying to get) from Dale's family in Birthday, for example. The note he leaves marks this pistol as an item from his past lives. With the suit that Mr. Rabbit wears looking like Dale's in every detail, this would mean Dale had a past life where this pistol played a role.
This could also link Dale to Ms. Pheasant but in The Cave her corrupted soul still haunts the lake, so I doubt that.||
||Now, if this pistol is originally the one from van Gogh, why do we see a revolver in the Cube Escape: Arles?
Dale, being a detective surely has a gun like this. He handles it often, it requires cleaning, being kept in order. Even if he doesn't use or carry it, he'd train with it. It would surely be the first thing coming to his mind when he thinks of "a gun", thus overwriting the picture of his memory of Arles.
The locked away family heirloom/keepsake is something different to him entirely. It's this weird antique thing that he never even saw (in this life) until he took it out of the case, whether as his grown self who just murdered his own family disguised under a rabbit mask or as the 9 year old boy who travels a few minutes back in time to save them. He has no idea what opening the case will reveal, thus no expectation to see "a gun".||
There's still more but huge wall of text already and moving away from this particular topic.
silver anvil
Huh....I never thought of that..
vague imp
I'm... in too deep to stop tbh XD
silver anvil
I never really thought of reincarnation being in play with the Rusty Lake series
vague imp
In fact, it's all about reincarnation.
Do a search for "samsara, metempsychosis"
silver anvil
However, Dale's family was killed by D. Eilander.
If you look up the magician...his name was D. Eilander.
Does that mean Dale is an Eilander?
Because I do not think any of the original family has a name that starts with a "D", which the only one in the whole Rusty Lake series that has a name that starts with "D" is Dale himself.
karmic crest
david
silver anvil
Oh, I forgot David
vague imp
There we go! That's the other part I typed.
Grabbing ut quick!
silver anvil
What do you mean?
vague imp
More of my theory.
I know it's pretty wild but in correlation makes sense to me.
||Dale's expectation could also be what made him see the Mr. Rabbit in Paradox in a slightly different suit. Assuming Paradox takes place before Dale goes to pick up the pistol from his family, he still thinks it was a different person who caused their deaths and his own trauma, thus not seeing him in the suit he wears right now. Additionally, in Paradox Mr. Rabbit wears a necktie in some scenes, while in others, he doesn't. This could be a hint that current Dale does not clearly remember whether or not the attacker wore a tie.
Also, Dale probably links Mr. Rabbit to the name D. Eilander because he found out about David Eilander and him wearing a rabbit mask, during the extensive research he did about Laura and Rusty Lake.
When later he enters the memory of his birthday via a cube, he can either see it clear enough to make his suit recognisable because he actually entered the memory or because at this point he already knows the attacker was he himself||
karmic crest
ooo
vague imp
So do I.
And thanks, I take that as a compliment!
silver anvil
It was a compliment!
It feels great, to me, to find people who love something so much, and put time into piecing everything together.
I am going to replay all the games again, but take notes so I can help with theories as well.
vague imp
Please do! But "real life", self care and all that! (My past few days were kinda wonky on that position)
There's some more of the theory around Dale and Bob, that's the last longpost for today!
I'll put it in ##the-white-door-help though
silver anvil
Okay!
Also, I have been wondering why Dale has ichthyophobia, fear of fish that are dead or alive. Which is somewhat funny because he has to deal with fish on more than one occasion.
vague imp
That is still a riddle to me. Catching a fish in a mousetrap might be a hint to that but honestly: How???
silver anvil
I don't know...
vague imp
Maybe something along the lines of
Dale: "Mom, can I have a cat?"
Mother: "No, I would just end up taking care of it."
Dale: "I can do that!"
Mother: "Do you really think you're old enough?"
Dale, thinking: pffh, like I can't open some tins!
Dale: "Of course!"
Mother: "Well, fine. But no excuses and no slacking!"
Dale, grinning: "promise!!!"
Next day
Mother: "So this is how you gut a fish. Watch closely!"
Dale: 😨
(That was fun xD )
silver anvil
(It seems so!)
vague imp
It would be a nice scene for a comic 🤔
silver anvil
It would, I can see it
thorn copper
Yet another maybe meaningless thing-
In Cave you have to put those pictures in the book. You find William on the puzzle on the next page-where you match the Vanderboom family pictures. You get Laura's picture which unwraps into William.
Then you get Aldous' picture from the mirror, and since you play as Mr. Crow it makes sense that the picture is of him.
And you find Dale's behind the bat. Could it be that maybe Dale is related to Mr. Bat?
I'm just nitpicking here, William and Aldous were in those places so players that didn't play Roots could figure it out, and Dale's was probably random cause we already knew him since almost the beginning.
drowsy burrow
@vague imp ||Still, I think there would still be some questions left unanswered. For one, we would need to ask ourself why Dale would link the death of his parents to exactly his tenth (was it the tenth?) Birthday. Of course we'd also be lacking a reason for him to kill his own family.
Another thing that bothers me on that regard is how exactly Dale could find out anything about David eilander and especially him wearing a rabbit mask. The eilanders were, how I see it, just a crazy group of fanatics for the rest of the population around the lake. I don't think they'd brag about their rituals to the outside world, atleast not that much and then still, why exactly David? Wouldn't the Eilander father (forgot his name) make more sense, given that Dale has already had an encounter with Mr. Deers soul before stepping into the elevator.
Still that would still leave open the question why Mr. Rabbit would appear in the memory. My take on it is, that neither Dale or Mr. Rabbit killed Dale's family. I think someone killed them either for something unrelated to rusty lake at all or it was all planned by Mr. Owl to set Dale on his path (highly speculative). I think Mr. Rabbit appears there, because all the memories that the lake swallows start to intertwine, becoming amalgamations of different peoples memories, sometimes creating completely new experiences. This is why Mr. Rabbit appears. It's kinda like how Laura appears in Dale's version of the paradox in paradox. I think she is not just an appearance but actually there, because their memories are more directly connected through the machine. In a similar way Mr. Rabbit has invaded Dale's memories directly||
vague imp
@drowsy burrow
I'll definitely get back to you!
mint knot
Who find some easter eggs and secrets in "The White Door"?
I find some eg on film "Shining"
fallen vale
I find some eg on film "Shining"
@mint knot Where? What is it?
mint knot
Carpet
drowsy burrow
@vague imp I'm waiting
hasty quarry
Eldirtch, you are onto something, really massive secret, I was funny enough thinking of the entire bullet thing earlier today. Make me wonder how come we do not see much of the prospective of the gunshot on how it occured.
||Still I think Harvey and Laura you do not see of them much together in the entire series, only twice, in Paradox ⏱️ Second part, in the first part you only see the puzzles.||
You do not see much of them together duration of Paradox, until that part. You only solve Laura's puzzles mostly.
fallen vale
Carpet
@mint knot Damn, you're right. I thought it looked familiar but I was sure that I just recognized it from the Rusty Lake universe
hasty quarry
Honestly, they did the carpet in Toy Story too.
Funny speaking of Stephen King, I have been reading on and off Doctor Sleep of like a few months now.
fallen vale
Funny speaking of Stephen King, I have been reading on and off Doctor Sleep of like a few months now.
@hasty quarry Nice. I didn't really like the movie. How is the book in comparison?
hasty quarry
VictRattlehead: I have not seen the movie, the book is like x-men.
hasty quarry
On topic to theories, I am doubting my own brainwaves, after nearly playing seasons last evening, I do not think to consider that that Harvey is the same kind of parrot, as in other games, because it is smaller then what the other games are. A small bird, the point is I think that Harvey is a different soul altogether.
violet dagger
It cant be hallucination though
forest thicket
Oh my god, it dont make any sense
violet dagger
And i dont think they were there twice caused in rusty lake hotel they were invited for the first time
To be killed
forest thicket
Maybe it just a "non-canon" thingy
forest thicket
Just a cool reference for other game that them made
violet dagger
But atleast they would get the year right wouldnt they?
violet dagger
But rusty lake roots is connected to the story of rusty lake
There other things in roots that are connected
violet dagger
Or they forgot
forest thicket
Yes
violet dagger
But what if it is connected somehow?
forest thicket
Other thing that i don't can solve is the white door
@violet dagger theres no way i think
violet dagger
Why not
forest thicket
Because the years dont match
violet dagger
Like years?
violet dagger
I dont get it
forest thicket
The three cubes
violet dagger
?
forest thicket
Oh god
violet dagger
What the three cubes has to do with the phase
violet dagger
Oh
Its one of james branches
I think the first or the second
Box
After james
You will see that its in 1870 and there is the rusty lake hotel events there
Even though hotel was in 1893
Or 1894
Are you here?
@forest thicket
violet dagger
Ok what did you find?
forest thicket
In the hotel they tell that its the first time they come to hotel?
violet dagger
Yes
forest thicket
I think the only wsy to be solved is to be a allucination
violet dagger
Idk
Maybe time travel
?
Cause in season they showed time travel
When you go back in time and save harvey(the bird)
forest thicket
Seasons is not "real"
forest thicket
It's like a big puzzle in Laura mind
violet dagger
And how did they know the animals to the statues
Cause probalbly the stutues were there even before
forest thicket
@violet dagger maybe the animals are like a simbol of religion in these universes
Because in RL paradise they have masks of these animals
violet dagger
So why they were in hotel?
forest thicket
Because Mr.Owl wanted to kill him
The animals in hotel are just the reborn souls of the Mr. Owl's parents
But the animal simbolysm is like a reborn symbol
violet dagger
Wait but they needed to put in order the statues so how did they know were would they sit?
forest thicket
It's just a Puzzle
violet dagger
I am overthinking it
Because rusty lake has put meaning to everything
In their games
violet dagger
Yeah but rusty lake has a lot wierd stuff so in rl world its actaully possible
And it doesnt interfere with the story or timeline
forest thicket
I really think all the thing of the hotel in roots is just a non-canon puzzle
violet dagger
So that thing doesnt matter to the theory
I dont think so
Cause they used other things in roots that are connected to the story
violet dagger
Eill?
forest thicket
Will***
violet dagger
What?
forest thicket
The bald guy is Mr. Owl in that game or not?
forest thicket
Maybe because if someone sees a human owl just passing by they gonna all run .-.
forest thicket
Mr. Crowl already dis that in cade 23
forest thicket
And i think the black cube gonna be used for something involving the Elixir
Because he is used to make the golden cube
And i think the golden cube gonna be used to make another elixir
violet dagger
But in the end of hotel you see mr owl with 5 cubes
Or 6
Idk
Whats the use for
violet dagger
Why?
violet dagger
Who?
forest thicket
Idk
forest thicket
I think he does
violet dagger
Thank you
In the wiki they say that the white door is the first spinoff game of rusty lake
Wait
forest thicket
His name is J. Grant
violet dagger
Why in the wiki
forest thicket
'-'
violet dagger
They say that one of the characters is mr owl
forest thicket
One more proof the bald guy is mr owl
forest thicket
Because he is the leader os the white door metal health and fishing
forest thicket
And Mr. Owl is the leader of the Rusty Lake mental health and fishing
violet dagger
Where does it say that
forest thicket
I dont remember where
forest thicket
Oh, yes
forest thicket
I reaaly think it is
I don't know any place that have mental health and have fishing
(At least not in Brazil)
violet dagger
Yes could be
And btw why did they called the cafe owl nest
Does it have to do with mr owl
?
forest thicket
Like...rusty lake hotel of the mental health & foshing company
@violet dagger i think it bahave to mr owl too
Behave***
violet dagger
Wait in reddit someone said that the people mr owl invited are his family
violet dagger
Where did they said that?
forest thicket
Praticaly all the paradise game
violet dagger
Oh
forest thicket
(Oh god, i need to know more english .-.)
violet dagger
Lol
So maybe mr owl actually invited them a few times
So why mr owl wanted to kill them
violet dagger
So why they didnt find it suspicious when mr owl invited them
And probably they didnt kill mr owl
Cause in 1893 he was still alive
They were all alive
violet dagger
Reborn?
forest thicket
Yes
violet dagger
When
forest thicket
Idk
violet dagger
After paradise?
violet dagger
So does that means all the other animals were reborn to?
forest thicket
But i think the rabbit in the birthday don't is a real animal
violet dagger
Ok
forest thicket
@violet dagger yes, i think
violet dagger
Ok i dont remember what happend in paradise but were they already animals in pardise when they tried to kill mr owl
?
forest thicket
Idr how they were killed
But i think the animals that someone is turn is like a strong emotional animal for him
violet dagger
But again why would mr owl would invite them a few times and then killed them in 1893
Kill
violet dagger
And if they killed him in paradise why would mr owl would want to invite them but to kill them
The only reason he has is to kill them
No?
forest thicket
Maybe not
forest thicket
Idk
violet dagger
I have so many question and its hard or impossible to answer them
violet dagger
Wait is the cube escape arles has something relatwd to the story
Cause its not called as a apinoff
Spinoff
forest thicket
I have a littke theory
forest thicket
In rl universe it have 3 familys with van
forest thicket
Van, vandermeer and vanderboom
violet dagger
Oh
Idk
Wait
But the last name of van
Is gogh
But williams is vanderboom
Or meer
Idk
Boom
I checkes
forest thicket
Vandermeer much people say that his origin is mr crow and the old woman in the mill
violet dagger
So now we need to find the father of mr crow
And what is the name of the old woman
?
vague imp
Aldous Vanderboom
violet dagger
Oh rifht
Right
So its not connected to van gogh
Cause they dont have the same last name
@forest thicket
But idk
forest thicket
Maybe van gogh put the name Van and his woman put derboom
violet dagger
But we dont know the name of the woman
forest thicket
Yes
forest thicket
Mr owl with the old woman in the mill
forest thicket
Mr crowl is immortal
violet dagger
Mr crow is also immortal
drowsy burrow
In which way would they be connected to the vandermeers?
violet dagger
So
violet dagger
Oel?
forest thicket
Owl*((
violet dagger
Oh
violet dagger
Oh
violet dagger
But you said the mr crow and the old lady is vanderboom
Not meer
But we still dont know the ladys name
forest thicket
The old lady is meer
violet dagger
So what is the origin of boom
drowsy burrow
In which rwlation? Dale's grandmother?
violet dagger
Idk
forest thicket
Wait guys
violet dagger
What
forest thicket
Let me explain exactly
drowsy burrow
I don't think the origins of the booms is important. Only William and Aldous are the only real important figures
violet dagger
Still
I want to know both origins
But xander you werent in the start of the theory we were talking about the hotel
drowsy burrow
I've tried to catch up with what you guys said
forest thicket
VAN gogh+"someone" derboom=aldous and william VANDERboom
Aldous VANDERboom+"SOMEONE" meer=family vandermeer
violet dagger
That in roots we saw the animals in the hotel in 1870
But the events of rl hotel is in 1893
And mr owl wanted to kill them
So probably he didnt invite them twice ot more
drowsy burrow
Ok, makes sense
violet dagger
But than we said maybe he did invite
But what was the reason he killed them in 1893
Why sid he do that
And not in 1870
Or other time
drowsy burrow
It is highly likely that owl is a person that plans into the future. Perhaps he predicted that he'd might need to kill them eventually
Perhaps the lake was carving memories
violet dagger
So why did he invite them more than once
forest thicket
Maybe the owl not want to kill him vor vengance
violet dagger
Maybe
forest thicket
But for the black cubes
drowsy burrow
Having them at the lake and making them stay there might've been enough for the lake to get some memories, but when the lake got greedy he killed them to get more condensed memories in form of cubes?
drowsy burrow
The problem here is that we don't know how conscious the lake is, if it really has a consciousness
violet dagger
Maybe he used the cubes to turn back to a human
Cause in the white door
He was peobably the bald guy
drowsy burrow
Dunno
violet dagger
Whats the use of the black cubes
drowsy burrow
It seems like them turning into humans is just a sign of the elixir wearing of
Feed the cubes to the lake. I mean, we do it in the mill
violet dagger
So what are the uses of the black cubes
violet dagger
Idk
But i think you are right about the elixier wearing off and turning back to the human form
drowsy burrow
According to that weird prophecy book in caves it's "the window to the future" the counterpart or evolution of the blue cube
violet dagger
Cause they say that in the wiki
drowsy burrow
Yeah. That's why they turn back to animals in the cave, when getting the extract
violet dagger
Wait whats the use of the white cube
drowsy burrow
Basically white and black cubes are just memories, white being good ones and black being bad, painful ones
violet dagger
And in the wiki they say the golden cube use in unknown but the key to the future
forest thicket
I think the golden cube makes like a paradox
drowsy burrow
Again, create the golden cube and feeding the lake
violet dagger
And blue cubes to return back in time
drowsy burrow
How would the golden cube make a paradox?
violet dagger
Idk
forest thicket
Not a real paradox
violet dagger
The golden cube is creates by combining the blue white and black cubes together
forest thicket
But a mind paradox
It turn all your memories into a huge pile of memories and dream
violet dagger
Your brain already does that though
drowsy burrow
For what reason would it do that
violet dagger
Normally
drowsy burrow
And how would it help owl?
violet dagger
Idk
forest thicket
But the golden cube makes you go into that mind paradox
drowsy burrow
That's why it's called a theory
violet dagger
Yes
forest thicket
It's a fuse of 2 solid memories and 1 mind time machine
And yes, the blue cube is only in mind
violet dagger
But what is mr owl intentions?
forest thicket
@violet dagger maybe omnipitence?
violet dagger
Cause i dont think the golden cubes create mind paradox
Because what would mr owl would use it
For
Cause he probably trying to get the golden cube
forest thicket
Because the Eilander already become immortal using the power of the lake
violet dagger
So what is the power of the lake
drowsy burrow
I guess the golden cube is in one way or form needed to create the perfect elixir
violet dagger
Maybe
forest thicket
I think the lake is like a god
violet dagger
So why they say the golden cube is the key to the future
drowsy burrow
Considering that the elixir is losing it's effect and even owl seems to be affected by it, he may need the new perfect elixir
drowsy burrow
Now THAT is something the future game have to show
forest thicket
Waiy
violet dagger
But the key to the future and the perfect elixier doesnt connect
Like jist think
Just
How could it be connected
drowsy burrow
And if the perfect elixir IS the future?
violet dagger
How
drowsy burrow
Perhaps it shows a vision of what is needed, perhaps itself is an ingredient
There are many possibilities
violet dagger
Idk maybe
Now it will take a while until the next game
Its annoying to wait just to probably have more question about the story
@drowsy burrow
drowsy burrow
@violet dagger It seems like the story is coming to a close. I don't think we'll get more questions. At least much more
violet dagger
You dont really know if the story comes to a close
forest thicket
I think i found something rhat might help
drowsy burrow
They said that Dale's story is about to end. And Dale's story might end with the golden cube and perhaps the true elixir
forest thicket
The fish in the alchemy part is made of small eggs and algae
drowsy burrow
Yes
forest thicket
And small eggs made the egg that mades the elixir
And the fish is used to make the white cube
violet dagger
How the small eggs made the egg
forest thicket
@violet dagger chalk+small egs
violet dagger
The black egg in seasons that harvey made has made a cube
Maybe it has a connection?
forest thicket
I think yes
violet dagger
How would an egg make a black cube
forest thicket
Harvey is not a normal bird
violet dagger
I know
drowsy burrow
Seasons is still just the memories of a corrupted soul
forest thicket
Yes, yes
drowsy burrow
It might not even be the REAL Harvey, we see there
forest thicket
@drowsy burrow maybe
violet dagger
But why would they put it in a game
Maybe it has to somthing with the story
Like it have to
No?
Maybe it has somthing to do with harvey
forest thicket
I think the golden cube is like a refined memorie
violet dagger
So why you also need a blue cube to make a golden cube
Blue cubes are used for time travel
forest thicket
No
violet dagger
Yes
drowsy burrow
Now, weird idea but listen to me.
I theorise that seasons doesn't actually take place at those dates. In seasons we hear mr.crow speaking on the telephone. It's the same things he tells the corrupted Laura in the mill. I think seasons is Laura, gaining a clearer consciousness while being pacified by Mr.crow
forest thicket
The blue cubes are used to re-do some memory
drowsy burrow
But we don't know if it actually redoes the real life event
And doesn't just affect the memory
forest thicket
It not does
violet dagger
forest thicket
If it does laura would not be dead anymore
violet dagger
Just read
drowsy burrow
Yes, but this is a fan wiki. As long as something there doesn't say It was specifically stated by the rusty lake devs ,it's still a theory
forest thicket
It in any time of the games go back in time in real life
violet dagger
So why would they write it in the wiki if its not confirmed
Cause they only write facts
If not they would say it was a theory
forest thicket
It go back in time is half a fact
drowsy burrow
Perhaps because they believe it to be facts?
drowsy burrow
The person writing this article could still be mistaken
drowsy burrow
And every person can edit a wiki page
drowsy burrow
The fact is, that we have never seen a clear confirmation that something ACTUALLY changed in real life due to the use of a blue cube
violet dagger
You will not see it in the wiki if it wasnt confirmed by the mods of the wiki
drowsy burrow
But when was the page last updated? The information could since long been outdated
violet dagger
Let me check
drowsy burrow
Confirmed in which way? As far as I know the mods of the wiki aren't the devs, so they can't say for sure
violet dagger
They dont say when
But if the mods wouldnt know that they will not put it in the wiki
Am i wrong
drowsy burrow
It was popular for people to believe that the blue cube changes actual time back then and people might have mistaken the general opinion of the audience as fact
violet dagger
Ok lets return to thetheory
drowsy burrow
I dunno. I don't think you should blindly trust things a wiki page says, atleast in things that are lacking proper confirmation
violet dagger
Theory
drowsy burrow
Perhaps. Specific numbers seem to be a thing owl likes
violet dagger
Yes
forest thicket
To revive he mother?
violet dagger
If mr owl is the bald guy from the white door
forest thicket
@violet dagger he was not bald yet
violet dagger
Oh yes
violet dagger
Wait
In cube escape the mill
Mr owl leaves a not to mr crow
Note
That said
I will be sending you the body of the woman
What woman?
forest thicket
Laura
violet dagger
Oh
Wait what was the year the mill have been
And what year was case 23
And how she was killes twice
In two differenet ways
violet dagger
Laura was hunged
forest thicket
Idk what it is ;-;
violet dagger
Oh nvm
forest thicket
Sorry
violet dagger
She was hunged after she died
She died in case 23 and then was sent by mr owl to the mill
To create a black cube
forest thicket
Its hanged, not?
violet dagger
So mr owl sends laura to the mill
Ok so its hanged
Does it matter
If you understood me than its fine
forest thicket
What is the basemen achievement, btw, maybe it soulve something, it is for the 22 january site?
Solve***
violet dagger
Is 22 the 22 of january?
forest thicket
Yes
silver anvil
What have I missed?
silver anvil
As always I do...
violet dagger
I can explain what you missed
silver anvil
I am not on all the time....
silver anvil
Also, would you please?
If you don't want to retype it here, you can dm me if you like.
violet dagger
Ok first rl hotel events happend in 1893 but in roots we saw the same animals in the hotel
So than we assumed maybe they were in the hotel a few times
Then what is the intention of mr owl killing them in 1893
And not before
silver anvil
Yes, but we find out that the animals are the portrayals of Jakob's family members in Paradise
violet dagger
Yes
But
Why did mr owl decided to kill them
In 1993 and not before
1893
What happend in that time that he decided to kill them
silver anvil
Because he had to wait until Dale or Laura was ready...I imagine
violet dagger
No
silver anvil
It was a guess
violet dagger
Cause laura was already dead
silver anvil
Oh...yeah...
violet dagger
And dale was shown in the end of hotel so maybe
Like riding the elevator of the hotel
I havent thought about that
But if yes why did he wait for dale
silver anvil
In Paradox, Mr. Owl tells Dale that he needs a successor
silver anvil
However, to do that, Dale has to face his corrupted soul.
But in the secret ending, Dale does not, but goes back in the elevator with the gold cube
violet dagger
How he was with a golden cube
They still havent created it
Probably they need to put the golden cube in the lake
And then something would happen
silver anvil
Yet, at the same time, when Dale does face his corrupted soul, he becomes corrupted, and creates a continuous loop of either ending his life or Laura's
violet dagger
But laura is dead
silver anvil
Not necessarily....
If you take in to account of all of the family members from Paradise, which each gets killed; but miraculously comes back the next day like nothing never happened
violet dagger
But in every game laura is dead except the first game in the series
The lake i think its calles
Called
Why isnt laura alive then?
silver anvil
She is not dead in Harvey's Box either..
violet dagger
How
silver anvil
Idk
violet dagger
She is dead
There isnt any proof that she was alive in harvy box
Cause the one you control is harvey
silver anvil
Okay. Laura is dead, but if you think of it....Jakob is dead too, but he became Mr. Owl
silver anvil
He was burned as a sacrifice, and merged with the corrupted soul to become the person he is
silver anvil
I thought his name was Jakob Eilander
violet dagger
I dont think so
Because
In the white door
There is the manager that is called j grant
And probably he was mr owl
That turned human
Again
Cause he used the elixier
To be turned into an oel
Owl
But the elixier weared off
So he turned back to a human
I think that what happend
silver anvil
Unless he changed his name so he would not cause any suspicion.
Also, Aldous (Mr. Crow) and Mr. Owl can change back and forth from animal to human form anyway.
||For example, in The Cave, if you look in the mirror after taking the elixir, every time you touch Aldous's hat, he can convert back and forth with ease.||
violet dagger
Ok
But wait
I think i have found somthing
Ok robert hill has dated laura
You see it in the white door
But
hasty quarry
IF Hotel is in the same time frame as Seasons.
violet dagger
Wait
hasty quarry
I just finished up Seasons and the lake.
silver anvil
Yes, but I have not found all the secrets from TWD
violet dagger
The white door happens in 1970
hasty quarry
So my mind is fresh on both of those games.
violet dagger
And laura died in 1870
wild root
no 1972
violet dagger
Ok sure
wild root
August
violet dagger
But laura died in 1870
hasty quarry
1972, that is when Laura died in August the second.
silver anvil
And Dale's search started around the same time in 1972
hasty quarry
no, Laura did not die duration in Seasons.
violet dagger
No
wild root
Laura died 12th october 1971
hasty quarry
Like I just said, I just finished up seasons, duration of that time, of where Laura was still alive.
silver anvil
Laura was corrupted in Seasons, but not dead...I don't think so
violet dagger
Oh wait nvm
hasty quarry
Not dead, she was not dead at all Babette Night, that was a different soul, the same one as in Harvey's box.
same set of wings.
silver anvil
Wait...the one in Seasons had wings!?
violet dagger
Seasons isnt real
hasty quarry
yes, you barely see it in a flash, but pretty sure it had wings.
silver anvil
Who else do you think has black wings? Hm?
hasty quarry
True, season's was not really real, it felt to jumpy to be a solid time glass.
silver anvil
Mr. Crow can be corrupted as well....
violet dagger
Ok i am going i will return in 10 to 20 mintues
hasty quarry
Seasons was used as a book mark duration of Hotel, and possibly they do run together. Yes Mr. Crow by a far fetch can be corrupted.
By a wide margin Alister can be corrupted. If meaning that Alister took it up on himself, as a younger lad.
silver anvil
Who is Alister?
hasty quarry
Aldous Vanderboom I meant sorry about that, my mind tends to lean into something more darker.
silver anvil
It's alright
violet dagger
I am back
hasty quarry
What do you think, of it Babette Night?
silver anvil
It makes sense..
hasty quarry
I littearly finished up Seasons around five minutes ago, so yeah the timeline is still pretty fresh. I have to keep my mind busy anyways.
violet dagger
Wait how old is dale cause you see him in the end of rl hotel (1893) and you see him in 1970 also
silver anvil
I am planning to replay all the Rusty Lake games, and take notes
violet dagger
So how you see him in 1893
wild root
it is the future
hasty quarry
He was born in 1930, December, if you remembered that day of Birthday. He was around nine.
wild root
that you see
hasty quarry
Right?
violet dagger
But
wild root
you are right
silver anvil
Dale was born 18/12/1930, and he is 5 years older than Laura and 1 year older than Robert (Bob)
violet dagger
How you see him in 1893 in rl hotel?
wild root
It was the future
violet dagger
How isnt it the past
hasty quarry
What? I do not understand why could you see Dale in Hotel?
violet dagger
Idk
silver anvil
Mr. Deer
hasty quarry
I...oh wait including White door?
violet dagger
But in the end of rl hotel you see dale going up the elevator
wild root
in the end Mr Owl tells you that the memories are not only the key to the past but also to the future, take a look
violet dagger
Yeah the same as the golden cube
wild root
it is an older game the idea of the golden cube could have not existed yet
hasty quarry
We all get what you are saying potiryan, different people with different ideas and typing, so do not worry too much of spelling.
hasty quarry
I do not think there is a Golden Cube or anything of that note in Seasons, Cerberus, unless you do count the two endings, of where the light, is somehow like a cube duration of the flash of light.
I am 100% Certian on that.
wild root
i mean the ending of hotel
hasty quarry
Ah.. Deer Skull, find the bat right? Oh wait you mean Paradox
violet dagger
Yes
hasty quarry
ah you are right, my brain jumps from one to the the other.
violet dagger
Oh ok
wild root
The Cigar box give you the hint that you are playing Harvey in Rusty Lake Hotel and its proven in birthday after you enter the secret code that you recieve in hotel
violet dagger
Yes
silver anvil
Secret code?
violet dagger
But in the end of hotel mr owl was telling you that you are harvey
wild root
because he was glad that you brought him the cigars
silver anvil
Oh
violet dagger
I dont remember
wild root
should i tell
violet dagger
Like the keys?
wild root
?
wild root
i think it was 1894
silver anvil
Wait!? There is a button!?
violet dagger
Yes in lkke the end screen
When they say thank you for playjng
If you did all the meals 3 star
Stars
silver anvil
Grrr....I need to stop skipping credits
violet dagger
Lol
But i dont think there is any other credit secret
So...
But i heard about the basement secret in the white door what is it
wild root
you will find out in 15 hours
violet dagger
Rusty lake said they took it down and will bring it back in the 22 of jan
Yes
I hope it help us to figure out something about thw story
The
I dont care even if its somthing small
wild root
The white door only tells a few things but not many
wild root
some informations were minor missing pieces
but we still dont know if it really was suicide or murder
i mean Lauras death
violet dagger
Yes
Maybe mr owl killed her cause the he used her dead body to create cubes
Then
Cause in the mill he used her to create cubes
wild root
but the question is: why does mr owl needs Lauras memories? i mean she is the reincarnation of William Vanderboom who was the inventor of the elexier
violet dagger
Yes
Maybe he wants to create the oerfect elixier
Perfect
The ture elixier
Or whatever
silver anvil
Do you think it would lead up to William actually coming back?
If Laura dies, then there is a possibility that William can come back fully
violet dagger
That is the key to the future
wild root
But what is the true elixier
violet dagger
Idk
wild root
William came back but as a woman
violet dagger
Yes litterly a reincarnation
She probably has memorys of the elixier because of her being the reincarnation
wild root
but the elixier was not the real answer as you can see
violet dagger
Yes but you dont know
wild root
yes, we dont know
silver anvil
But if the woman is dead, and her memories come back to the lake....
||No wonder the lake became dark in The Mill...because William was already corrupted, which the lake refused Laura's memories||
violet dagger
Maybe
wild root
we will have to wait and see what will happen when Dale reaches the hotel
violet dagger
?
wild root
the lift goes up
violet dagger
Yes
hasty quarry
I wonder who was the corspe in Seasons, anyone know?
violet dagger
But it was in rl hotel
wild root
you can see this countless times
violet dagger
Wait why is he in the past
wild root
?
wild root
that was a view in the future
violet dagger
And probably when reached the hotel somthing happend
I heard a theory about the golden cube that if you put it in the lake something will happen
So maybe that what will happen
violet dagger
Maybe he already got the cube when he went up the elevator
hasty quarry
(i.e. Paradise and David.)
violet dagger
The golden cube
wild root
Mr owl stated that Dale is the one that can stop the corrupted souls.
thats the only infomation that we know
hasty quarry
Even if he did stop them all, could that mean he can even use his own pocket watch too? Kind of strange string theory on me shotting in the dark with Birthday's secret ending.
*Shooting.
wild root
As we said we dont know
violet dagger
Then why did he create corrupted souls
hasty quarry
You see as a magician myself, I want to stop things before they really hurt others. Maybe that is why, so he does not get hurt himself.
wild root
His goal is to gain enlightment.
violet dagger
Ao he creates corrupted souls to stop them?
wild root
We dont know nothing else
violet dagger
So*
hasty quarry
Maybe Mr. Owl was seeking throughout the events of the entire Rusty Lake, ergo you only see what he really wants other to see, in a strange movement though, as those memories as the creation inside each soul to have, the first one was Laura, we can agree on this, even facing the darkness within to the open road. Mr. Owl's real other project was digging through his own mind.
violet dagger
Maybe the corrupted souls were before even mr owl so when he creates black cubes (that makes corrupted souls) to create thr golden cube that will stop all of the corrupted souls
hasty quarry
Well souls are known to bound throughout different homes, when left empty.
wild root
I think we should wait until the next game comes out, it will hopefully answer these questions
hasty quarry
I think it is a pathway to the white door.
Somehow triggers with bad food, even like donuts can be a sugar rush into how the body is.
violet dagger
And cerberus i dont think you were here when the question of when rl hotel happend was 1893 but in roots you see the whole animal crew(mr deer,pigion boar and the others) in 1870
So we assumed he invited them a few times but why did he kill them only in 1893
You see them in roots in the hotel
wild root
i saw the discussion
hasty quarry
Indeed. Why on that date?
violet dagger
Oh
wild root
i can not explain in either
wild root
it could be a different visit
hasty quarry
Now here is the real killer, pun intended, why so many animals?
wild root
We dont know why he needs their memories?
violet dagger
No
hasty quarry
No like August, December moon phase with that memory overlasping?
wild root
i can assume that it was revenge but that does not make really sense
violet dagger
In the end of hotel we see the black cubes he created from them
hasty quarry
That is starting to wind my short term memory while playing white door, like why does Dale need those memories of Bob?
violet dagger
Someone actually suggested it wad rvwnge
Revenge
But why wait until 1893
Why not before
hasty quarry
That can be a benifactor of like, acting all higher knowing though, but we really are in the dark.
violet dagger
Yes
hasty quarry
Or....... Maybe jealous of Caroline's spiritual readings?
violet dagger
Ok
hasty quarry
peels back all the roots and fast forward.
violet dagger
Maybe we missed somthing in a game or just forgot that can actually help the story
The chances are low buf still maybe
hasty quarry
Even if we really unraveled why Roots did occur, in that order, instead of searching for the clues of numberous magic, then why the effort of trying to find the golden coins, even though they only lead us with an ending that is sour?
violet dagger
Idk
hasty quarry
Why the ending with Paradox did not suit up with The White Door's ties in, until day question?
violet dagger
Maybe tommorow we will find an asnwer to something
Probably not
But if the secret was that hyped
hasty quarry
I am too intelligent for the internet, my ship needs me.
violet dagger
So maybe
hasty quarry
I am going to leave here in a minute or two, I have to finish up a few things here and there, nice talking with everyone.
wild root
yeah, it was an interesting conversation.
violet dagger
Yeah
hasty quarry
Good to meet you both, Cerberus and potiryan.
toxic sand
are the characters in hotel really reincarnations of the eilanders?
(mr rabbit being david, etc.)
ivory jackal
I'm calling the number but no answer :с
simple rain
i'm pretty sure, chris. they have the same faces and their actions in hotel seem to parallel things
violet dagger
They are the reicarnation of the people in rl paradise
The people with thr masks of animals
hidden ledge
At the end of paradise they transform into the animals. If they were reincarnations mr Owl woudn't want revange
hollow raptor
we do not see them transform tho
we only see mr owl transform
hidden ledge
I'm pretty sure they transformed becouse they speak with animal voices and they can't transform back into humans and mr owl speaks like a human and can transform
vivid marten
also they dont seem to remember or at least suspect anything of mr owl or each other, so maybe their memories were taken by the lake?
hidden ledge
they didn't met mr owl
vivid marten
there is a huge portrait of him in the lobby
if they had memories from their human lives and therefore could comprehend that they had been transformed into the same animal as their masks, it wouldnt be a big logical leap to connect mr owl to jakob
crystal verge
caroline was also an owl
vivid marten
^
that too
like as humans they'd be aware of an owl representing caroline (and therefore perhaps jakob) but as animals they dont make that connection
crystal verge
I feel like the animal heads can't be the eilanders because they all had different careers. pigeon was a scientist and deer a researcher
actually those are pretty much the same job now that I think of it
small karma
crystal verge
I feel like they are definitely reincarnations/remind him of his old family