Strange
#🤔｜theories
manic glade
"Harveycooper2" interesting name
copper hawk
I'm not gonna let this kind of shithead corrupt this sub
I already did let slide Harvey = Dale
red wave
idk why the RL reddit its so bad
copper hawk
what people wouldn't do for free karma, smh..
This kind of behaviour is just pollution and bad publicity for the sub, and the community as a whole
humble drift
😂
copper hawk
°^°
floral cloak
murder
copper hawk
HAHAHAHAHAH BUUUUURN
bold owl
RED, chill
red wave
/:::::
left stone
@vague imp i'm gunna buy that limited edition from uuuuuuuuuuuu
copper hawk
NEVER
I'LL BURN HIS HOUSE DOWN
WITH THE LEMONS CUBES
(somebody please tell me you understand the reference)
shadow stump
...no?
manic glade
RIP Cave Johnson
spice frigate
Ah Portal references
north pasture
IM GONNA GET MY CORRUPTED SOUL TO MAKE A CUBE SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO BURN YOUR HOUSE DOWN!
GOD portal is. The best game
HEY PORTAL AU
instead of feeding their memories to the lake, it’s the mainframe, so they all turn into robots
DALE BECOMES A CYBORG AT THE END OF PARADOX
spice frigate
Dale and Laura as Atlas and p-body
copper hawk
William after being killed, reborn and killed again :
"All right, I've been thinking.
When the Lake gives you cubes, don't make Elixir.
GET MAD !
I don't want your damn cubes !
What am I supposed to do with these ?"
x)
technically speaking, the Rusty Lake Portal AU is canon
at least canon to Portal
spice frigate
Albert as Wheatley tho!
spice frigate
Good question...
copper hawk
and, Wheatley is pretty harmless
even in his god form the biggest threat he opposes is because he's too dumb to deactivate the auto-destruction of the facility
spice frigate
Leonard is adventure core, I can see it
copper hawk
XD
north pasture
Rose the new Goth Core
spice frigate
Omfg.. I forgot how curiosity core is cute
spice frigate
YES
copper hawk
i think GLaDOS (Emotion) would better suit Albert
and Rose would be a corrupted version of Morality
copper hawk
I was making a custom map x)
I have a little few
mostly 1p
but I'm making a coop one
spice frigate
Neato
copper hawk
(they're hard to make)
(especially the coop ones)
I just noticed, but the cores from Portal 1 are marked from 1 to 4
Morality, Curiosity, Intelligence, Emotion
the more you know
I think it's supposed to be the order of importance
like the 3 rules of robotic
except the Emotion core took over the whole system with its sadism and its anger
but if you look at it, there is only one core that doesn't work, the Morality core
all the others work perfectly
GLaDOS is curious about science, she's intelligent with her testing and she HATES YOU
bold owl
I mean, it probably doesn't work because it wasn't properly attached or whatever. It's the only core GlaDOS could remove herself
copper hawk
yeah
but even in the comic, you see they struggled to calm her down for years
she started loading the neurotoxin seconds after being booted
before they figured out making her dumb with Wheatley wasn't the smartest idea, and they should make her moral instead
But there is a theory I had
That is really really really dark
I mean it's normal for the Portal universe
but it's pretty harsh
We already know from Portal 2 that GLaDOS gazed the lab in the "bring your daughter to work day"
which already is dark
but we can dig deeper into this
the potato overrunning the facility is the one Chell created
because she was the daughter of a scientist
which means GLaDOS kidnapped the kids from the event as future test subjects and gazed the parents
BUT IT'S NOT OVER
Because
do you remember one of GLaDOS's line
in Portal 1
Room 2 or 3 I think
Let me search it for an exact quote
it's room 3
"Well done.
Remember :
The Aperture Science "Bring your daughters to work day" is the perfect time to have her tested"
She planned it all
She was the one that pushed the scientists to bring their daughters
and it's not that farfetched since we see her do the exact same thing in the comic
she gathered the cats from all the scientists, by telling them she would do experiments on them
and in Portal 2, she says she has done experiments on Schrodinger's theory
and now have a cat cemetery
This AI
is super fucked up
copper hawk
Caroline needs a fucking psychiatrist
vague imp
Who the hell mentioned me?
spice frigate
Tbh, but still gotta love how I weirdly find some stuff cute in Portal...
vague imp
hm?
copper hawk
the ending of Roots is really really really heavy of alchemic symbolism
and I'm not just talking about the 10 sacrifices and the balance and all that
just this
is really really really heavy in symbolism
First of all we have
The alchemists, The crow and the dead man, and Samsara
that represent the past, present and future
but that's not too hard to grasp
what's really interesting is that it also represents the Three Philosophical Principles
The body, the mind, and the conscience
the Salt, the Mercury and the Sulfur
most of the time represented by bronze, silver and gold
the very same metals used for the timepieces
timepieces that also have another trinity written on them
Human, Asura (divine immortal spirit) and God
copper hawk
idk what the time itself (2:45 / 14:45) represents though
floral cloak
Maybe they represent chapters and pages in one of the gospels or the book of revelations
floral cloak
Oh
copper hawk
neither in chapter 2 or 14
floral cloak
Oh
copper hawk
I mean...
there are only 66 books in the Bible
I could check them all in no time
132 chapters to check
it's doable
floral cloak
Are you willing to do it though?
copper hawk
Leviticus 14:45 "And he shall break down the house, its stones and timber and all the plaster of the house, and he shall carry them out of the city to an unclean place."
sudden minnow
See?
copper hawk
Numbers 14:45 "Then the Amalekites and the Canaanites who lived in that hill country came down and defeated them and pursued them, even to Hormah."
floral cloak
Before but don't what that is
copper hawk
1 Samuel 14:45 "Then the people said to Saul, “Shall Jonathan die, who has worked this great salvation in Israel? Far from it! As the Lord lives, there shall not one hair of his head fall to the ground, for he has worked with God this day.” So the people ransomed Jonathan, so that he did not die."
1 Kings 2:45 "But King Solomon shall be blessed, and the throne of David shall be established before the Lord forever.”"
copper hawk
1 Chronicles 2:45 "The son of Shammai: Maon; and Maon fathered Beth-zur."
Ezra 2:45 "the sons of Lebanah, the sons of Hagabah, the sons of Akkub,"
Daniel 2:45 "just as you saw that a stone was cut from a mountain by no human hand, and that it broke in pieces the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold. A great God has made known to the king what shall be after this. The dream is certain, and its interpretation sure.”"
floral cloak
I think that's the one
copper hawk
it's talking about the colossus with clay feet
floral cloak
Ok?
copper hawk
for those who don't know, king Nebuchadnezzar had a dream of a colossus
a statue of him with a golden head, silver chest, bronze leg and clay feet
sudden minnow
statue
floral cloak
How old are you?
sudden minnow
Paradox feels
copper hawk
and as the clay feet broke, the whole statue collapsed
it was basically a symbol of his kingdom, and how he was showing off but the basis was so fragile it could break at any point, destroying the whole system
and I'm 18, why ?
copper hawk
ok
floral cloak
You know a lot of things
copper hawk
My dad is a preacher
all of this was brainwashed into me since birth
even before birth, actually...
floral cloak
I wish I knew these things
I know somw things that have to do with religion, about Lucifer mostly
Cause I listen to iron maiden
And that's why I have that profile pic and name
copper hawk
metal is a very bad way to learn about religion XD
Mark 14:45 "And when he came, he went up to him at once and said, “Rabbi!” And he kissed him."
floral cloak
its fine
copper hawk
maybe
maybe not
Luke 2:45 "and when they did not find him, they returned to Jerusalem, searching for him."
Acts 2:45 "And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need."
floral cloak
i shall be back soon
copper hawk
ok, that's all we have
there are no other 2:45/14:45
man
I know I'm really androgynous but come on x)
copper hawk
(no, really I'm super androgynous in my moral, behaviour and physical appearance)
(it's so bad every wrong number say "sorry ma'am", and in 3 weeks 5 people interpellated me by saying "excuse me miss")
(and people over the internet can't decide what gender I am, they usually just do a coin flip)
(some assume I'm female because of my profile pic, but come on...)
(It's clearly a guy)
sudden minnow
lol
copper hawk
also
no
I didn't forget to colour the ear, and it's not just a cool effet just to be edgy
It just so happens that I have a white spot in my hair around that place
floral cloak
I like your profile pic it's nice
And the white spot makes it look a bit strange in a cool way
humble drift
😂
copper hawk
Do as you wish
It's not the HD version, though, but I can't find it anymore
It was originally a pixel art my girlfriend made
And for some reason, I have kind of a fanbase
So one of the fanboys made a HD version of it
floral cloak
Nice
gentle crest
I HAVE A GOOD THEORY
A GAME THEORY
Ok, lets see...
(Im brazillan, soo most of the words maybe will be wrong)
Lets consider that Cube Escape is the three
And this the one
thin elk
I understand that, I'm just trying to work out the logic
gentle crest
Thanks Buddy 😉
thin elk
I'm not gonna bad-mouth you
gentle crest
Ok
thin elk
So, in what way Lake number 3?
thin elk
Alright?
gentle crest
(The place wheres the woman lives)
And in the box has the Bird
The bird is a important element
thin elk
Which bird? The crow (black one) or the parrot (grey/green one)?
gentle crest
The parrot
thin elk
Alright, so how is it important?
thin elk
Take your time
floral cloak
I think he forgot?
copper hawk
Or else I'll have another warning because "I don't have the absolute truth"
gentle crest
Ok
gentle crest
Yep
copper hawk
This is the official timeline, made by the developers the games
I'm not gonna say anything else
gentle crest
Hey, its almost there
Box is First
Season is Second
Lake is third
If Lake is the third, three tings maybe happen with the woman:
1)She comitted suicide
2)She kills a lot of people and run for the Lake for escape of the police
3)She kills a lot of people and comitted suicide
Or something else
...
🤔 🤔 🤔
left stone
AAAARGH
MY BRAIN
THE TIMELIME IS COMPLEX
RUSTY LAKE DEVELOPERS IS GOD
RUSTY LAKE IS MAZE THAT U WILL UNDERSTAND IF U PLAY 'TILL THR END
Why van gogh became a character in rusty lake
???
There must be the reason
So many question
But i'm get it now
Btw where is the rusty lake roots and paradise in the timeline????
copper hawk
way before all that
that's the timeline for Cube Escape, mostly
but Paradise is 1796, and Roots 1849-1935
copper hawk
I indeed am
I am praised by fewer and fewer people, and only talked to to resolve problems
onyx nacelle
@gentle crest , you have yet to see how far this nest reaches
gentle crest
Ok...
onyx nacelle
how many of the games have you played?
gentle crest
Well, my cousin show all of then for me
gentle crest
...
red wave
go to the cabin
left stone
I need friend😭
thin elk
I mean, the theory would be interesting... if we didn't see Dale's corrpted soul kill Laura
main patrol
@gentle crest I don't think Laura ran to the lake to escape the police? If I'm not mistaken, The Lake happens between Spring and Summer. During Spring, she gets invited to go to the Lake and comes back during the Summer all messed up/as a corrupted soul.
@thin elk I'm gonna go on a stretch here and say that the events of Paradox might exclusively take place in Dale's head. When he kills Laura, it's not him literally killing her, but metaphorically confronting the source of his relapse and killing it so that he could go do Mr Owl's thing.
Mr Owl did say he needs to deal with the past or something like that in order to do something else, I think?
thin elk
@main patrol This is interesting. Very much so
Reason why I find that interesting is because you're only half-right
Thing is, Rusty Lake doesn't deal with illusions or inside-the-head kinda stuff exclusively.
thin elk
There's enough evidence throughout all of the cube escapes and premium rusty lake games to see, that while the events and stories are taken from the subjects' minds (cubes = memories), the actions that take aren't just memory-altering. Owl, Crow, Dale, Laura and even Harvey to a certain extent utilize a memory-based time travel
left stone
I can't think anything
thin elk
Dale travels through his memories, that have been merged with the memories that have been trashed into the lake from and goes through altered and twisted memories and events of the inhabitants
main patrol
I do know about the memory based time travel. I was thinking more about the fact of how Rusty Lake itself is very abstract and surreal, so everything in a character's head would be brought fully into the real world, because... Rusty Lake. They deal with mind stuff physically so there are very likely no illusions and the like.
thin elk
Exactly
main patrol
@left stone Modern problems require modern solutions XD
thin elk
But since all of the lake's victims have been seen to merge with one another after their descent, the actions that Dale takes in his confinement in Paradox are just as real to him, as they are to Laura, Crow and the rest of the gang
main patrol
Yep, I know
left stone
MY GODDDD
left stone
night forge
@left stone I made this not too long ago: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EdoSaUeKF_v_MIudS4K6snER2Dc7xEoU0FVF_G8zX_0/edit
copper hawk
Ah, shit ! Here we go again.
reading RL theory while listening to Victor music
the best
I'm not gonna pin point every little error...
but that kind of repetition in the very first sentence is really off putting x)
also, it's Vanderboom, not Vanderbloom
I know it's tempting since "blooming", like a tree
but "boom" already means tree
I'll change that for ya, little one
the part where Emma got a plant impregnating her is symbolic of her being defloured and getting pregnant from that first experience, but the guy just left and never was considered family, thus not important for the sacrifice, so never really shown
"And then they were none" oh god, good old classical references XD
but yeah, it really is reminiscent of that book
your timeline is way off, chronology-wise
but you still got most of the events right
also, Laura is just depressed
she goes in Rusty Lake to cure her depression
she's prescribed Prozac, a powerful antidepressant, since at least 1969
also, Mr. Crow doesn't extract the blue cube from Laura
only white and black, in that order
storm berry
I think they did a good job! I definitely couldn’t do that with my knowledge of the game
copper hawk
as a summary of events, it's great
storm berry
That’s all anyone needs!
copper hawk
as a timeline, it's really awful x)
storm berry
Well saying it’s awful isn’t nice or constructive
gray cove
if you know so much about it then feel free to add your own two pennies, but this isnt it chief
copper hawk
except it is. most events are explicitly dated in game, there is nothing to "improve", just take what's given
storm berry
Make your own timeline if it gets your panties in a twist
gray cove
im very impressed by your vast knowledge of the game
storm berry
^
copper hawk
I can't give constructive criticism where there is nothing in the first place.
but I recognise that they understood what the story was telling... just not the order it all took place in
storm berry
And I’m not saying this to be mean, but maybe you couldn’t said “this is a good summary”
But there is something
It’s... right there
I’m sorry
I’m being crass
gray cove
im happy to know that we can depend on you for keeping the rusty lake wiki in check
storm berry
O definitely
tulip saddle
You kind of come off pretentious and not polite if you just come out and go “here is what you did wrong” you can ask if you can help correct the mistakes. You can’t just go in and act as if you yourself created rusty lake therefore can bring the hammer of incorrectness onto someone. Sorry for being rude! But just imagine how the user feels getting all this.
copper hawk
no, I'm sorry but there is no timeline here.
they talked about Rose's birth before Albert killing Ida...
there is no timeline substance here
but again, it doesn't prevent it from being a good summary of events
tulip saddle
That’s not the point of what we’re saying
We aren’t saying, op is correct, we’re saying that the method of telling them isn’t the most ethical
I don’t know you or the op but I’m just explaining how it comes across over text.
copper hawk
You know that I didn't even involve theories into this.
I'm literally just stating what is in the games.
I'm not saying I know everything as if I created the games
I'm just saying there is an explicit order, and it is not respected AT ALL in this text
gray cove
oh geez dude
copper hawk
that's all I'm saying
tulip saddle
I don’t think you’re listening to what’s being said
copper hawk
the problem is not me not listening, it's just that I don't understand what you're criticizing me for
tulip saddle
It’s not what you said was wrong, it was the tone that was being portrayed
gray cove
you're pretentious as heck
tulip saddle
To you, it may seem like you’re being helpful, but on an outside prospective (me and a few others who responded) you come across quite harsh as passive aggressive with your remarks
copper hawk
sigh
tulip saddle
I’m trying to show you in a cautionary tale, how you can learn from this and be able to better word your future criticisms
copper hawk
I'm REALLY TRYING, you know
I'm trying to be as neutral as possible when explaining things
when correcting people
I'm really trying to emphasis the good parts
but it's never enough
You don't know me when I'm really pretentious
tulip saddle
You know saying that doesn’t help you
copper hawk
None of this conversation helps anyone, tbh
storm berry
Since you’ve said this, maybe it would’ve been better if you kept your criticism to yourself. I know I could’ve stayed out of this too. I just feel like you’re defending yourself and not taking criticism
copper hawk
I take criticism just fine
I'm just discouraged that it's never enough for you people
manic glade
@bold owl
storm berry
I’m going to stop.
This isn’t something I should’ve spoken up about. I hope you learn from what I’ve said.
tulip saddle
Alright. I get that! But you didn’t react well mannered to it. I don’t think we should keep this going because it’s toxic and I don’t think anyone would want to read this. So let’s all just step back from this and be the better person
storm berry
Agreed
copper hawk
again, I can take criticism, but the hate you're feeling is less towards you than towards my inability to be good enough
storm berry
We aren’t saying you aren’t good enough. We just want to help you become better.
tulip saddle
Do you mind if we take this somewhere else? If you really want to keep this conversation going?
storm berry
^
copper hawk
And the frustration following the inevitable repetition of this very conversation over and over again with the same or different people, while I'm actually trying to do better but I'm always talked to as if I was at my worst
tulip saddle
Because I don’t think it’s polite to let our discussion blow up the server in notifications
So let’s end it here and if you want to keep talking just shoot me a dm
I’m sorry
storm berry
I’m sorry for starting this, Lucid.
tulip saddle
^^
bold owl
@storm berry @tulip saddle Usually I'm quick to attack RED because, let's be honest, he can go off the rails sometimes. This isn't one of those times, as in my view you two started this. If you say someone's being excessive while being excessive yourself, there's no other end than the discussion escalating. Try to take it straight to DMs next time, or better yet, don't even start it
@copper hawk Don't try to shrug things off by saying "you've seen worse". Bad is still bad, no matter how "bad" it is. I do agree that this time you didn't start shit up for a change.
copper hawk
The thing is, I don't even see where I have done bad
like, I defended myself and then I just got to kinda victimize myself
usually I can see afterwards that I fucked up
but not here
bold owl
Try to change the way you say things. Sometimes you may come off as pretentious and "know-it-all". Don't just go straight into "I'm gonna debunk this theory right the fuck now" mode, ask people if they want feedback, and if they do, don't be like "I'm not gonna pin point every little error"
copper hawk
except... I didn't...
I talked about things that were really avoidable or just funny
oh well...
Maybe I should just leave the server
I'll just end up banned without noticing it anyway
btw, the "you've seen worse" wasn't to shrug it off, but to show I'm actively trying to change...
compared to the other two that don't know my destructive and pretencious potential
But I think part of the problem of why I seem like a high ass is... because I'm talking in English .-.
I have less vocabulary, so it ends up more blunt
it's definitely not all there is to it, but I think it still plays a role
red wave
ok.........
copper hawk
btw I love how all of this took place to defend Brok from my pretentiousness...
But we don't even know how he took it
eh...
anyway
red wave
lets change the subject
copper hawk
yeah
floral cloak
I barely understood wtf happened
floral cloak
Ok?
Anyway
I kind of forgot the events that took place in Theatre and what it has to do with the rest as I never played the games in any order since I just found the premium games on steam, thought they looked cool and got them, played them and the rest
Also in arles who is Paul? that stands at the door and what does he have to do with games as well as Van Gogh himslef
vague imp
his friend
floral cloak
Oh but does he have anything to do with the series
vague imp
nope
spice frigate
he just wants his hat back in Arles, nothing more
spice frigate
I mean
floral cloak
Oh ok
spice frigate
when Arles was released?
vague imp
June 2015
copper hawk
Between Lake and Harvey's box
Two games that take place at the same time
So it has to be included in some way
vague imp
Well i mean i respect your viewpoint but i personally see it as a tribute to Van Gogh..
floral cloak
I think he does have a role as he is mentioned in Paradox
copper hawk
But then why use symbolism of Van Gogh in the other games as parts of the balancing of lives ?
copper hawk
For Magritte, I can understand it's a tribute
floral cloak
Magritte?
copper hawk
But Van Gogh is both a tribute, and important to the story
Magritte is a French surrealist painter
floral cloak
Ok
copper hawk
Basically Harvey's box mixes 4 of its paintings
manic glade
I do agree that it when they were first starting out and didn't have the central story really nailed down yet they were just sort of making games that were only loosely related and could've went "hey let's make one about Van Gogh!" But now that they've developed this more central story it seems likely that they're trying to tie him in a bit more to that story in some way
vague imp
Hmm yeah but then...how is he related to the story?I mean i get that we saw his picture/his ear ( i think)
so..what does he have to do..
floral cloak
Isn't there a book about him in Paradox?
vague imp
I still think Robin and Marteen are fans of Van Gogh and thats why, but hey could always try proving me wrong
manic glade
I think that's potentially a distinct reason why they made a game about him originally, yes 😛
But I don't think that precludes them now that they've made a more cohesive story from trying to tie him more into it
copper hawk
I mean, it's no secret that those two are really fond of paintings
vague imp
They sure are
copper hawk
As I said, Van Gogh, Magritte, the paintings in the chapel, the ones in paradox, the landscape of Roots, etc etc
Caroline's design is based off of a painting
vague imp
Wait guys Lucid wants to say something, lets give him a chance
copper hawk
Don't worry, he always take his time when he's writing
bold owl
I think the series started pretty much as allegory about suicide and mental illnesses. The man (Bob) was on pills; Van Gogh had a deteriorating mental health, he cut his own ear off and later allegedly committed suicide
I started writing and forgot woops
manic glade
😛
Yeah exactly, I think early on they were planning on the games having common themes but not necessarily all being the Dale-Laura-etc. story
And then they changed their minds or whatever 😛
vague imp
it happens sometime
bold owl
Kinda like FNaF
How it went from just a few easter eggs about kids being murdered to a whole series with books and all that
manic glade
Stabby stabby
vague imp
Oh no spooky animatronics
manic glade
There are very few creative works that are fully planned out before they’re created, and even fewer of those that actually fully stick to their plan 😛
copper hawk
All off this is interesting, but doesn't really matter.
Maybe there was originally another plan, but right now, there is a story going forward, with Van Gogh represented everywhere, and no matter why they included him in the first place, they obviously have a plan for him in this new direction
The problem is, wtf is that plan ?
vague imp
We might never know?
manic glade
shrugs
copper hawk
But I think the original mental health theme sound pretty likely
manic glade
I'll wait for the game that has him again, or not. I'm not much for making big theories or predictions far in advance 😛
Certainly not for something like this, anyway
forest zealot
Didn't van Gogh killed himself
red wave
yes
forest zealot
Okay thx it's just that it's been long time
solid elm
I just finished the paradox game and am still confused about the ending
Is dale now trapped in a repeated cycle ?
solid elm
Played both chapters
hollow raptor
the cycle repeats (with small to no differences) several times, but not forever
in the secret ending of chapter two you break it
red wave
helo
floral cloak
Hi
onyx nacelle
in paradox ch1, you want to get the red potion right?
floral cloak
Vandermeer means of the lake right? So does Vanderboom mean of the boom?
onyx nacelle
i think it means tree
vague imp
Yeah tree
floral cloak
Oh
manic glade
So yes it does mean of the boom
floral cloak
Does that mean she could be from the tree that Mr. Bunny died on?
manic glade
Mr. Bunny Fluffins killed my parents
I mean, trees are certainly an important recurring element
floral cloak
Maybe that's why she's corrupted
onyx nacelle
i think the gold cube is/ related to the philosopher's stone(might have been an obvious fact)
manic glade
Remember “roots” is all about the vanderboom family tree, and the first thing you do is plant a tree that grows throughout the game
onyx nacelle
but how it functions or the purpose of it is currently beyond me
vague imp
i think its beyond all of us
onyx nacelle
i think the tree MR rabbit died on might have just been him collapsing from blood loss induced exhaustion
floral cloak
Ill check in a few days
To see if the trees are similar
Roots was before birthday right?
onyx nacelle
after
floral cloak
So if it happens before the tree that's grown in the first few levels of roots could be the tree the Mr rabbit died on
manic glade
That’s unlikely, the Vanderboom mansion and the tree is right on the lake. I don’t think we can see the lake from the house in birthday, nor do we see the mansion
Even assuming the mansion was torn down and houses were built in the four years between games we should still see the lake, I’d expect
floral cloak
Ok
manic glade
That’s just my opinion, though
I mean, heck, maybe someone dug up the tree and moved it 😂
floral cloak
Or maybe they dug up the house and moved that
vague imp
maybe both
vague imp
how you move a entire house without breaking it is beyond me (ever as real estate manager)
but it can be done.
((atleast with modern houses/houses build like that.))
onyx nacelle
the tree would have been harder
manic glade
Yeah those are easier, with the old house like that it’s unlikely 😛
floral cloak
The people would have been harder to move
low summit
You attach a bunch of balloons to the house
vague imp
the roots would have to remain unharmed
vague imp
and the foundation (which it surely has) would have to be removed also
onyx nacelle
the foundation could stay and they would just lay a new one on site, probably while they break down the house
vague imp
ngl that house is possibly bulldozed by the time Dale arrives at the lake
manic glade
I mean, it depends
They don’t usually bulldoze houses without a reason, particularly if it’s not in the way of anything
vague imp
If nobody is there to take care of it (And i kinda can see Rose going the Winchester route and hiring builders to keep the place up and fine)
well she needs to be rich..
manic glade
It seems that the family is reasonably wealthy 😛
vague imp
Perhaps.
floral cloak
Rose probably got spooped from the ghosts in the house and decided to bulldose it
manic glade
Anyway it seems most likely that Dale’s house and the houses around it are just in a different location
floral cloak
Her father was Albert the denonic guy right?
vague imp
Yeah
floral cloak
Well she got spooped from everything normal
manic glade
She did?
vague imp
But anyways, i just don't see the Vanderboom house being inherited by Dales family ((Sure Aldous was Dales grandfather (i think?Correct me if im wrong.))
Laura would make more sense imo
onyx nacelle
maybe Aldous kept looking after it
vague imp
hmmm maybe
manic glade
Neither Laura’s house in season nor Dale’s house in birthday that we see particularly look like the Vanderboom’s house though
onyx nacelle
but why did william leave it to James?
vague imp
Because he was his only heir
manic glade
Because James was his nephew
vague imp
William didn't have kids it seems
manic glade
Gotta get those sacrifices somehow
floral cloak
The tree in Laura's house looks like the one the rabbit died on except it's dead
onyx nacelle
i knida figured the trees werent connected
im currently trying to figure out where harvey fits into all of this
night forge
HARVEY IS DALE @onyx nacelle
red wave
YES
and Harvey its Aldous
because Aldous is a Crow and Crows are birds and harvey its a bird
craggy panther
Why Harvey is Dale?
craggy panther
No theories?
craggy panther
No pictures?
red wave
wait
gentle crest
Say Whaaaaaat?
left stone
Hello
craggy panther
Interesting
red wave
if you need,ask red why this is a bad theory
vague imp
oh no lets not
red wave
ok ok ok
craggy panther
Lol
humble drift
YES
main patrol
Ngl whenever I enter this channel, first thing I see is a block of passive aggressive text and I’m like 👌 cool
But anyway, I don’t think that theory fits too well. We know Dale travels through his cubed memories in the lake. Harvey just makes a bonus appearance everywhere because... Harvey.
Harvey was there since Hotel and was sort of like Crow’s/Owl’s right hand man? So it makes sense for Harvey to appear everywhere
copper hawk
Everybody here is ok to say that that theory just doesn't work in any way shape or form, no matter how many parallel universes you go through
but it triggers me
so it became a meme
onyx nacelle
i think i know what the gold cube is for
in theatre, they show you the wheel of reincarnation
there is an order to everything
but the order is broken as shown by harvey
you see him as a bird ir paradise
next you see him at the asura stage in hotel
then the event at the end of hotel, he jumps back to bird form
they might need the gold cube to unlock the God stage of reincarnation
main patrol
I dunno. Hotel takes place way before the main cube escape games timeline wise. I just assume Harvey was once in the anthro form up until the end of Hotel
copper hawk
Harvey can jump back and forth between the two states
1796, bird in Paradise
1891, bird in The Search
1893, Asura in Hotel
1930, bird in The Stars
1939, Asura in Birthday (he wrote a postcard)
1964-1972, bird in pretty much all the Cube Escape games
and we already know why they need the golden cube :
To find the true elixir
the elixir they have is incomplete, it still abides to the laws of transmutation, using the life of someone as energy to give eternal life to another
tawny sandal
(asura?)
copper hawk
(hybrid)
it's the name of the state in Buddhism
Asuras are immortal divine beings that can resemble humanoid animals
you could say they're angels and demons
tawny sandal
neat!
copper hawk
what they're searching for is something that can create anything out of thin air
that can make them immortal and enlightened
something that could transcend alchemy and the laws of nature
Primera Mater
the Philosopher Stone
main patrol
Ah, they’re called Asuras? Neat
Harvey might’ve written the postcard way before Birthday actually happened though, because time travel and Rusty Lake. Just a thought
copper hawk
as far as we're aware, time travel only happened inside memories
though the blue cubes are an actual thing
and it would be SUPER STRANGE that Harvey would write something for someone that isn't born yet, with the right name, and saying it's their 9th birthday
main patrol
It’s possible to look into the past without actually going there; why wouldn’t the reverse be plausible?
And yeah, blue cube too
copper hawk
because to look into the future, you need the golden cube, that was synthetized in 1972
main patrol
You could also argue about how Mr Rabbit knows about Dale as well, since he’s from a completely different island and time zone
I mean time period, whoops
I’m pretty sure there could be another way, like how Dale can look into the past using the snow globe
copper hawk
looking into the past is only possible because cubes are physical memories of things
you can only look at the past of someone
you couldn't, for exemple, look at the past of a place with no habitants
the snowglobe was part of the "change the past" part, that is purely imaginary
it is 100% in his mind
his parents are dead
it's written on a newspaper in Paradox
he's the only survivor
main patrol
Then what about the Easter egg which showed the scene from Hotel?
main patrol
And I thought you said there’s no ‘imaginary’ thing in Rusty Lake previously? Or that might’ve been another guy, sorry if I made a mistake
Technically, it should be? Since he modified his memory and the cube turned white and all that
This reminds me of Endgame’s time loop system
copper hawk
everything make sense in Rusty Lake
but there are things that take place in the real world, things that take place in memories, and stuff that are symbolic of other events
for exemple
Emma isn't Poison Ivy's rendition of the virgin Mary
she got pregnant after being "deflowered"
but the guy never stuck around, so no need to show him
main patrol
I see. So what’s the point you’re trying to make?
And I wouldn’t really too heavily on logic with Rusty Lake. It’s more similar to a soft magic system than a hard magic system, as an analogy. There are some patterns, but some things just happen as well. Again, it is very abstract and surreal, and the absence of evidence isn’t the evidence of absence.
That’s my take in it, at least. I’ll just wait until the main Cube Escape storyline has finished before going deep into theorising haha
That way, we’ll have all the provided information and could make light out of that
tawny sandal
wow i never thought about that scene that way
copper hawk
there are many scenes like that throughout the games
for exemple, in Fall
Harvey doesn't die
but Laura (the player) kills the representation of Laura the victim :
Harvey imitating Laura's scream when she got "murdered" by her depression (AKA commited suicide)
it's just symbolism
red wave
may seem crazy or even useless, but I think the elixir can rejuvenate the person
copper hawk
ever noticed that Mr. Crow encourages Dale to "reflect on his past mind", and he literally changes his mind in front of a mirror ?
red wave
because Harvey in the seasons is clearly a "child"
copper hawk
Harvey's design in season is just an old art style that they got rid of
it has nothing to do with his age
red wave
yes, but I think this would not be a detail that would change the story a lot and that they could use to justify the change
copper hawk
except it wouldn't make sense since in Harvey's box his shadow already has the new design
as for Paradox
and both take place between 1964 and 1981
red wave
yeah... .
copper hawk
there are things like that that are just minor errors
for exemple in Birthday, when looking at the kitchen, you can clearly see a tree next to the window
but when you zoom in, it dissapears
copper hawk
You know what ?
I think I'll end the debate of Harvey gender once and for all
not the debate about his sex, though
only gender
I'll play Hotel in Dutch and see how he's referred to
Dutch and English are the only two reliable languages for lore
because... obviously
I don't even need the stars or cigars
just the end game
I'll take the cigars just to be sure since it opens more dialog
copper hawk
maybe
... Idk how to retrieve them
that's all there is
eh whatever, it'll be quick
red wave
red the ultimate hacker
vague imp
We are datamining now?
spice frigate
haven't this been done before?
vague imp
I think but not on here.
spice frigate
1 star?
It's dutch or Lunch, yo better make it 3 boy
Mr.Crow wants to know where the fuck is Coobz sauce
copper hawk
idk, I just want the end game dialog x)
red wave
use a walktrough on youtube
red wave
😐
copper hawk
is there no way to change the language ?
red wave
idk
vague imp
OOF
spice frigate
oh yeahhh... I forgot about that... hhhhhh...
red wave
use this
oh
the language
but i think hes a man
male*
because the suit he wears is masculine
copper hawk
But he lays EGGS
And he's always addressed to in a gender neutral way
It's always either "Harvey" or "you"
No he or she
hollow raptor
new theory: there are two harveys, one male and one female
copper hawk
That's why I wanted to make sure
hollow raptor
and dale is both of them
copper hawk
But the only game that could have given is a definite answer doesn't have a language setting
main patrol
Don’t you play as Harvey in Hotel? So yeah, everyone refers Harvey as ‘you’
I’m just going to say female because biology and that’s the easy way out XD
main patrol
Oh, and if Rusty Lake has symbolism and all that jazz, in that case, it is plausible that Dale killing Laura in Paradox is symbolic
copper hawk
Paradox itself didn't even happen, it's in his mind, it's a memory just like Birthday and Theatre
main patrol
We don’t know that for sure though, since we never saw it as a cube in the lake
And the minds of the characters we play as are always projected onto the real world as abstract surrealistic stuff, anyway
tawny sandal
We did see paradox as a cube in the lake, actually, at the end of chapter two
Oh also my hot take on the Harvey gender debate is that he is trans and that's why he lays eggs but is male presenting
copper hawk
No, it's pretty much a fact
You can't be in a real world, and have the forest both at the bottom of the Lake, and leading to its beach
plus the secret ending of chapter 2 is Dale going in an elevator with the golden cube
just like the end of Cave
@tawny sandal
And the trans idea is cool and all... but we're between 1796 and 1981........
He would've been killed by now
tawny sandal
Not necessarily lol, there was plenty of transgender people in the late 18th century. Also he's one of those asura dudes and has been alive for like almost 200 years so let me have my trans rep headcanons
night forge
but it's a bird tho
vague imp
bird?
spice frigate
Well, not to sound wrong, but Harvey could be gender neutral or something?
I mean... people exist that they're female and prefer to wear male clothing and vice versa
vague imp
XD eh does it really matter what gender Harvey is?
i think theres much more important things to figure out..XD
spice frigate
yes, it is really important.
tawny sandal
No, I just like to think he's trans
vague imp
well then think it
whos stopping you?
i mean i think Harveys a male for example but if anyone thinks otherwise
¯_(ツ)_/¯
spice frigate
I mean, I don't mind headcannons and stuff
I mean, I don't mind headcannons and stuff
vague imp
arent we all?
thin elk
Good point
unkempt galleon
oh
copper hawk
At this point we should do like Mr. Owl
just say "Harvey" all the time
keep it gender neutral
less problems
tawny sandal
Assuming Harvey's gender is literally what we have been theorizing about
I'm down w that tbh
unkempt galleon
did you just assume harveys gender
copper hawk
Well we're trying to
night forge
Harvey is Dale
copper hawk
which means Harvey is male
unkempt galleon
harvey is actually the tree
copper hawk
end of story
unkempt galleon
ok ok ok lets be honest here guys
copper hawk
x)
unkempt galleon
harvey is the house
tawny sandal
That's the tea sis
copper hawk
The Lake is the purgatory
unkempt galleon
even the lake is dead
tawny sandal
Wow
unkempt galleon
the cubes are dead
copper hawk
(Actually the Lake has purgatory-like properties)
unkempt galleon
the developers are dead
tawny sandal
We're dead
tawny sandal
Moon landing is fake
copper hawk
(but that's it, purgatory-LIKE)
unkempt galleon
the universe is dead
tawny sandal
I mean most of it is
copper hawk
I think Dale and Harvey are the only ones that never died in RL
unkempt galleon
we are nothing
night forge
Oy vey
unkempt galleon
and to think that nothing is actually nothing
harvey was choppity chopped in seasons
and then reverse time thanos infinity gauntlet
copper hawk
... ok Dale is the only survivor
tawny sandal
Mr crow didn't die?
unkempt galleon
true
tawny sandal
Wait whaaa
copper hawk
it's Aldous
tawny sandal
WHAT WHAAA
unkempt galleon
time reversed though
copper hawk
in Case 23 he has a cube-shaped scar at the exact same place
it didn't really
only in his head
unkempt galleon
unless you mean just died in general
unkempt galleon
@thin elk i think this proves it
copper hawk
but yes, died in general
night forge
wut
night forge
Alright, hold on for just a sec
Dale's party was when he was nine, right
but the newspaper in Paradox says it's when he's 11.
tawny sandal
I'm still on the fact that aldous is dales grandpa??
thin elk
Oh, so it changes memories and not the reality
night forge
so what if the blue cube worked
like actually changed time
and so therefore they were attacked again when he was 11
night forge
seeya mate
unkempt galleon
that would mean james had a brother right?
night forge
How so?
unkempt galleon
if aldous is dales grandpa, either dale is another one of james' kids which would be impossible, or james would've had a brother
or aldous is dale's great grandpa
because dales dad looks like leanord
night forge
or samuel
unkempt galleon
samuel died before then, in 18 something
copper hawk
@night forge the 11yo was a mistake that they corrected since
it lasted for only a week
it really is 9
I still have screenshots of it
but if you play the game now, it's gonna say 9
unkempt galleon
how so?
night forge
Well, think about it:
Aldous Vanderboom had a wife and got married
so the wife was Mrs. Vanderboom
onyx nacelle
There might also be a potential tie to Jakob as well
night forge
That means their child would be a vanderboom too
So, if that child was a boy, and got married...
They would be the Vanderboom family
Including Dale
So, the wife must be Aldous' child
night forge
Also, it is possible Aldous had a child, since we see he still has a wife in '72
onyx nacelle
That might just be a lover, given that as far as the world knows, aldous died from a head shot
spare raft
Wait are the memories going to become realities?
spare raft
But what if you can change how the future is of the one that are already reality
night forge
Right, like Birthday
spare raft
Yeah like Birthday
red wave
more boys are born in the world, then the father is more likely to be Vanderboom
statistically speaking
but we have no idea
spare raft
What I’m thinking is that what if there was a girl born instead of a boy
manic glade
If the father was a Vanderboom than it would be more likely that the family name is Vanderboom, which mean chances would be Dale’s name would be Vanderboom, not Vandermeer
red wave
Or are they married siblings?
manic glade
I don’t buy that any of them are Vanderbooms, myself 😛
spare raft
If Dale died in Birthday then this whole fiasco would be over right?
manic glade
Well he wouldn’t have grown up to be a detective, certainly
spare raft
But in Theater who was that man that turned into something else in the bathroom?
manic glade
Bob
spare raft
Then who is Bob?
night forge
Bob is- er, was- Laura's BF
manic glade
It seems he was in a relationship with Laura at some point, and was at least accused of killing her
night forge
So it wasn't a suicide attempt?
spare raft
But Dale killed her not Bob cause Bob was sitting at the bar
night forge
So, theatre wasn't real
manic glade
I’m not sure either of them killed her, I personally think she killed herself 😛
night forge
It was all symbolic
spare raft
Because he was the one trying to figure out the 4th play to move onto the next play
manic glade
Theatre was a memory, that much is clear
spare raft
But how come she appears in the Paradox in the beginning?
manic glade
I think it was a collection of Dale’s memories blended in with symbolism
spare raft
Also in Birthday why did Mr. Rabbit kill Dale’s family and not Dale too?
manic glade
That’s a matter of opinion 😛
spare raft
What do you mean?
night forge
Ah, morals are one of the biggest mysteries
manic glade
There is no confirmed answer. It’s all theorizing 😛
I think in reality whoever killed Dale’s family missed him, or maybe didn’t even see him. But that’s just what I think until we see more in future games. If we see more
manic glade
A name?
night forge
Mr. Rabbit?
spare raft
For the next game
manic glade
I think they already have that planned 😛
spare raft
If it comes out
night forge
You mean Second Maze
spare raft
NOOOO!!!!!!!
manic glade
Oh it's definitely coming out
manic glade
Second Maze is the name of a production studio that's co-producing a spin off game, it's not the name of the game
That game is called The White Door
night forge
Right, I know
spare raft
What if Dale was a girl would that change something?
manic glade
Well she probably wouldn't grow much of a beard
night forge
Alright, one thing at a time
manic glade
I don't think this is a theory though, it's....something else 😛
spare raft
What is it then?
night forge
A headcannon? An AU?
spare raft
What is an AU?
manic glade
Alternate universe
night forge
An alternate universe
manic glade
So you know what it means for something to be canon, right?
manic glade
Right. A headcanon is what a person considers a fact of the game for them personally. This can be a more serious thing or even simply a joke, like I could say: “in my headcanon Mr. Owl and Mr. Crow are lovers”
night forge
Shudder
manic glade
Anyway, back to theories 😛
night forge
Alright, so let's take one thing at a time
Instead of jumping from one thing to another
manic glade
leaps