it's just another memory cube, just like Birthday and Theatre
#🤔｜theories
copper hawk
vague imp
thats terrifying
dreamy dawn
yeah but i said that because i don't know if we're rolling with the whole paradox is in dale's mind or not
copper hawk
Paradox doesn't make sense unless it's in his mind
north pasture
either way it’s Wack AF
copper hawk
and there are pretty much hints everywhere
he literally traces back his journey on the map of his life (the globes puzzles)
HE SWAPS BRAINS TO SEE HIS PAST
EXPLAIN HOW IT MAKES SENSE IN A ACTUAL WORLD WITH REAL LIFE + ALCHEMY LOGIC XD
copper hawk
Mine wouldn't even be exposed in a jar. It's just so useless it'd be thrown away the instant it comes out of my skull
dreamy dawn
ok red i wanna know what do you think of seasons/the lake being laura in the machine
do you think that's a possibility
copper hawk
but seriously, we already have some wonky logic with the cube at the bottom of the lake magically holding together a lump of dirt with a Hotel built on it, and no other support.
It's basically a Beach bowl galaxy island
so excuse me, but switching brain is way too much for me
x)
Just imagine a hotel built on that floating sand with a cube below the water, and you've got Paradise island
copper hawk
even if the origin of the food is... questionable
ancient blade
ALBERT IS A METER TALL!
north pasture
wH
ancient blade
Yeah... It's very hard to believe...
Hell, I'm doubting this even though I was a part of who deduced that he'd be in the first place.
copper hawk
He was meant to be 1m80 or more
but the devs have good consistency... and bad scaling
which means no matter how you calculate it, Albert is always 1m tall
1m10 at most
red wave
and if the Cube Escape series until Case 23 is about anxiety and depression? For example: At Seasons and Lake we control a girl who killed herself because she found a body in a lake. In the Harvey Box we see a little Bird wanting to get out of a "prison" and failing in Arles we see Van Gogh killing himself for a thousand problems, Case 23 we see a detective who was kinda hopeless about life finally finding such a good case that he gets too distracted by it (represented by the beard cut)
I'm sorry for the English, I used the translator in the entire text
logical that this is not the current intention after the games now portray the story more, but it is another view of the series that maybe at the end of it is used better
copper hawk
Van Gogh doesn't kill himself, he fights his madness by killing it at the source : his ear
he died from complication of this homemade chirurgical procedure, though
also, Laura's suicide have nothing to do with what we see in the Lake, she already was depressed years before that
it's most likely because her mother is a sociopath, daughter of a psychopath, that both killed the rest of their family
vague imp
yeah i always thought that living with the Vanderbooms (if we believe that Leo and Frank survived the ritual (which hush i can dream ok) )) it would mess her up i mean.
no offense to them but they seem like horrible parents..
red wave
but maybe the fact that she found a dead body may have been the trigger for that and Van Gogh in the game at least he kills himself with a shot in the head and I'm also assuming that the company Rusty Lake did not think Roots to so long
and even if she killed herself because of them, that does not invalidate the whole theory.
vague imp
well true true i mean ...actually hold on a second i need to think how to word this next point ™
red wave
vague imp
We see (in theatre) that Bob does drink (a lot) and yes while we might pass it off as him being depressed and blaming himself for Laura's suicide since he "couldn't save her" maybe (just maybe) he was a heavy drinker even before this (i mean we haven't seen a lot of him otherwise) so what if his heavy drinking caused Laura stress also i mean if my loved one/loved ones abused alcohol that would stress me out also .
red wave
I really think this theory is true, because in the Cube Escape Seasons and Cube Escape Lake the story was closed, there was not much room for interpretation, only then in xaso 23 things expanded
vague imp
but as for the Van Gogh thing since he died from cutting off his own ear (i think?) in that case it can be considered suicide i mean..he did it to himself nobody else..
manic glade
I mean, in real life he shot himself in the chest and died due to complications from that injury
And in the game he shoots himself in the head. Which doesn’t necessarily mean anything
But it’s something worth noting
vague imp
Oh did he?Well either way i guess its a reference to his (real life) suicide ..
copper hawk
@red wave
If you look carefully
you can see that
the hand holding the gun
isn't the hand of the corruption
but the hand of Van Gogh
so it's 2 different characters
Van Gogh killed that corruption
that madness that was whispering in its ear
that's why he cut it off and entered it to confront this madness
copper hawk
yeah, but in that case why would he enter it by his ear ?
vague imp
logic.
copper hawk
the real Van Gogh cut his ear off because of this madness and those voices constantly talking to him
so it's just symbolic of him fighting that
vague imp
Well could be but tbh the devs didnt outright state it so i think its the "everyone sees it differently"
Like person A sees it as him fighting off those voices
Person B sees it as him OOFING
copper hawk
Yeah but at this point we have real life events that prove this "theory"
he never killed himself in real life
he cut his ear to fight his madness, and died shortly after of the wound
vague imp
Rusty Lake is far far from the logic of real life..
copper hawk
You'd be shocked how logic it actually is
most of the nonsense can be explained by either symbolism or alchemy
or real life logic
manic glade
He did kill himself in real life, he shot himself
copper hawk
... no ?
goes back to check
manic glade
Yes
vague imp
he did
manic glade
Died about two days later because they couldn’t remove the bullet
The ear thing was years earlier, before he even went into the asylum if I recall
copper hawk
he was shot in the chest, though...
and there are recent proofs that it was an accident and not a suicide, but it was thought to be a suicide for a long time so I'll let it slide
vague imp
Still we are considering he shot himself in the head "in the games" not real life..
copper hawk
yeah but... hn...
vague imp
so what im trying to say is that he killed himself that way "in the game universe"
not real life
copper hawk
seeing how many references to him the devs made it's surprising they didn't include his "suicide" correctly...
vague imp
Maybe they didnt know back then
copper hawk
hnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
vague imp
after all this series doesn't have to be 100% logical/accurate
copper hawk
of course not (Albert is a metre tall)
but I mean, the devs have such a fascination for him, it's weird...
and the series is mostly logical
vague imp
Its not...
copper hawk
because there is a logical story arch
vague imp
I dont remember going for a walk near a lake and seeing someone get dragged into the lake by their own shadow..
copper hawk
hey, of course, there are things that we have to take for granted
vague imp
Exactly..
copper hawk
like corruption has a physical form
sure
but it's a fantasy story, it's normal
except that, within the laws of this universe, there are consistencies and laws that grant the story a tangible logic
vague imp
Exactly so the Van Gogh part could be (somewhat) in a fantasy world
copper hawk
except it's rooted in real life events, so it's harder to change
and it's not like it's "inspired by Van Gogh" no, it IS Van Gogh
copper hawk
if it was just about a crazy painter cutting his ear off, well, sure, I can get that there are differences
but it's Van Gogh, so... nyeh
I mean I can't deny it's a strong possibility
but considering the connections it has to real life, it's... weird
and the way it's represented, also
why Van Gogh hand killing the corruption ?
...
or maybe he was so crazy that all he could see of himself was the madness in him, and his hand represents what he thinks is him killing it off
...
but actually killing himself
idk, it's weird
That's cool
And don't ask me what's written, even though it's clearly French, it's unreadable
vague imp
Waw, the sketch is nice ^^
manic glade
It's Van Gogh's, I believe
copper hawk
it is
north pasture
:000 pretty
HEY UH BTW
IM REPLAYING THE MILL
WHY IS DALE SAYING THE STUFF FROM LAURAS PHONE CALL IN SEASONS
cause we play as Laura in seasons right???????
oh wait did he also use the word in Case 23
spice frigate
yes, in Seasons we play as Laura
manic glade
You’re Mr. Crow in the mill
north pasture
ok I lied it’s the phone call from Case 23
north pasture
yall like,,,if dale does actually reach enlightenment like Mr Owl and Mr Crow want him too, is he gonna turn into an animal headed dude as well??
@RL DEVS WHATS DALES FURSONA
FJSJFK WAIT I DIDNT MEAN TO ACTUALLY TAG THEM
oh WAIT god hold on
bold owl
EEEEEEEE
north pasture
I bet you CASH MONEY it’s gonna be a shrimp, cause that’s the ONLY animal that shows up in like every game that isn’t yet connected to a character
bold owl
You're a shrimp >:(
north pasture
BUT REAL TALK IS HE GONNA BE A SHRIMP THO
bold owl
I wish
north pasture
(Dale voice) shrimp! heaven! now!
copper hawk
Many people usually think that RL is just a bunch of random spooky stuff with a weird story, and a vital minimum of logic to understand it
But actually, everything in the series falls into 5 key logics
Medium logic
Universe logic
Real life logic
Mystic logic
and Symbolism
Medium logic is just the fact that, because of the medium (video game), there has to be things that just happen... because they have to
Some puzzles, the fact that time can move in a weird way (ESPECIALLY in The Mill), and other things like that
I include devs errors in this, such as the fact that a tree mysteriously disappears when you focus on the window of Birthday
Universe logic is the fact that, it's a story, so there are things we have to take for granted, such as the corrupted souls existing, or alchemy actually working, and stuff like that
Real life logic is pretty self explanatory. Since it's based on the real world, many real life logic apply. WW1 started in 1914, gravity works, people die of normal deaths when they're not exposed to some weird green alchemic goo... normal stuff
Mystic logic is tied with the Universe logic, in the sense that unless the Universe logic says a certain type of mythology or magic exists, then the rules of that particular thing can't apply under normal circumstances.
But in the case it exists, like alchemy and Buddhism, then their logic apply with their own set of rules
and finally Symbolism is not a "logic" per say, but a way to connect things that make no real sense by themselves to one of the other 4 logics
Dale doesn't actually rip out his own brain in front of a mirror, it's a symbol of him doing an introspection, "looking at himself", having a "reflection" and "changing his mind"
Emma isn't the reincarnation of the Virgin Mary Poison Ivy edition, she just got "defloured"
and if you think of it, literally EVERYTHING in the 14 games fall into one of those 5 logics
there is nothing purely random
there is no "just because"
there isn't any loose thread that can't be tied to something eventually
they put a lot of effort into these games, and it would make no sense to have random things here and there that can't be explained
native vortex
Well, anyone who has played two or three games would understand that rl is no ordinary game. But people are,,,,,,,, ugh
copper hawk
exactly
especially after all the Paradox praise
no one that started there understood anything, and few actually wanted to learn more, because... most of the time, you don't care about a story you discover midway through...
especially since Paradox is like... one of the last 3 to 5 cube escape
(definitely not Rusty Lake, but Cube Escape for sure)
native vortex
sigh
People be like that sometimes
copper hawk
media especially
native vortex
Media??
copper hawk
"Paradox is the best game ever ! Go play it ! Game reviews ! App store, Google play and Steam first pages ! Prizes ! Newspaper articles !
Oh, by the way, they made other games or whatever...
But THIS IS THE SHIT !"
Just hypocrisy everywhere, absolutely killed the potential market for many people that were just lost in the madness
and most of them didn't even LAUNCHED THE GAME
"You start off in a room you've never seen before"
Second line of Dale when he wakes up "I know this place"
grizzled bluff
I think there's value in starting later in a series, because later entries tend to be more polished. So if you like what you see,, you can always go back to No . 1. And if you don't like earlier entries even then, you most likely never would have
(But yeah, videogame journalism in its current state is awful. )
(Especially ''reviews'')
native vortex
Paradox is def is in a better condition (programming wise) than the first games, but the key to this wonderful series is the fact that all games are connected
Its not just puzzles per game
The whole series is a puzzle
copper hawk
they don't even bother playing the game, or even just PAYING FOR THE THING THAT MAKES THEIR PAY CHEQUE...
They just watch a fast forward of the walkthrough and call it a day...
grizzled bluff
Yes, but that's the case with most game series. People often start in the middle, or at the current end
copper hawk
and only the 15 first minutes
write a "review" in less than an hour, post it, cash in
grizzled bluff
You start where it ''''''''gets good''''''', gain some love for the series, and then start at the '''less good'''' beginning
lots of quotation marks there tho
native vortex
I dont mind if people start from middle or even from the end, actually i started with hotel and then roots, but then i realized that there's a whole another story
People shouldn't judge from one single game
Arents these reviews mostly online stuff?? Cant u post sth? U seem really good at analyzing rl
copper hawk
I personally think Paradox is an OK game, by RL standards
it's not the best, it's definitely not perfect, and it gets redundant
but it's not awful, compared to... some... underwater level...
grizzled bluff
Judging a story based on a small part of it isn't good, yeah. Gameplay's fair tho (which I enjoy, otherwise I wouldn't be here. But that depends on the person)
Personally I consider Paradox one of the more solid CE games. Less Super Awesome Great moments, but also less Are You Fucking Kidding Me moments
I do prefer the way Hotel and Roots work, though (And Paradise to an extent)
native vortex
I enjoyed cave as well,,,, it certainly helped me sort the story in my mind
copper hawk
And I mean, on its own, Cave is great, eh
don't get me wrong
but... just... god, it's the worst...
grizzled bluff
Storywise it's one of my favorites at this point
Paradox
It doesn't do that much, but I just like it.
native vortex
Story wise i very much prefer roots and birthday and seasons
copper hawk
storywise, Paradox is pretty flat, since it only mostly confirms the story, rather than open more questions
native vortex
Ch 2 was pretty mindblowing tho
dreamy dawn
i don't see how starting out on paradox and learning the story backwards would kill enthusiasm for it considering people eat up prequels and the like
i think not bothering to learn the story is more on the player rather than the game
grizzled bluff
Oh, I know it's not fully rational. But what's there is just really enjoyable for me.
copper hawk
eh, once you know that ||everything is just in Dale's mind||, you don't really care that much because it's all just symbolism and it makes sense
dreamy dawn
rusty lake as a mobile phone game means less people are likely to wanna get balls deep into an app game
less mainstream people
paradox would be confusing as hell to a newcomer yeah but i don't think that's the only reason someone would drop the series as a whole
confusion breeds intrigue
grizzled bluff
And the all-important question gets asked again, ''Who is the Woman?''
Which is interesting
dreamy dawn
the rusty lake games also aren't numbered properly outside of the cubeescape website and in this discord unless i missed it
just a simple Cube Escape 1: Seasons
Cube Escape 2: Lake
would go a long way
i was nervous i was playing the games in the wrong order on my first run through
grizzled bluff
Like, I know ''wtf is up with that'' is what made me want to play them all in the beginning, and without context, Paradox would raise a lot of the same questions
Yeah, I went mostly order they came out in
copper hawk
@dreamy dawn
I'm not saying that starting from the middle kills anything
but for story heavy games, starting when the mysteries and theories you don't even know exist are beginning to be confirmed...
it's... weird... and starting THIS late isn't compelling. You're just lost in a see of questions and it's not that fun. You don't understand anything... in a puzzle game... you see the problem ?
It's like if I told you about a series without explaining the characters or intrigue or...
Did you play Undertale ?
Do you remember Alphys's rambles about Mew Mew Kissy Cutie 2 ?
You were lost and she just seemed hysteric and quite annoying...
You didn't want to learn more about MMKC2, because... you basically knew nothing about it and paradoxically everything at the same time
You get what I'm saying ?
it's not "starting in the middle" that's the problem
it's starting in the middle of something that is too big to grasp from any singular point, that is the problem
@dreamy dawn
btw, I have the list and order of the games pretty much printed in my memory, and I throw it at people whenever they show any sign of interest x)
and I definitely wrote it here quite a few times
grizzled bluff
(I know the @ isn't at me)
But that's not how everyone will see it? I mean, some people will focus on the gameplay, and then see if it's worth starting at the beginning and investing in the story. Others don't think the story is that complicating in Paradox, but will be intrigued enough to invest
Like, you seem to make a lot of assumptions about how people will react to possible mild confusion
copper hawk
Because I saw people act that way when they were first introduced to Paradox
and sure
there isn't a single mind set
but what I'm saying is that the way it was branded definitely threw back a big amount of people
not everyone
not the majority
but still a big amount
grizzled bluff
I'm in the KH fandom and confused uninvested people will always be pretty loud (especially after 3)
But the ones who get hooked, will be a lot less loud
Large amounts of people will be ''confused'' or thrown back by any non AAA game, basically. That's a fact of life. That assumption is what allows for the creativity
(And KH is kinda tripple A, but it's Out There in premise, to an extent)
copper hawk
but you can't deny that there is a better chance of just finding interest on playing if you start somewhere at the beginning, or AT LEAST if it's made more clear that it's just a part of a whole and that you should expect to be confused if you start with this one
because the way it was shown to people, it was like a game that could stand on its own surrounded by other projects from the same studio
and not a whole series
and as far as I love this game... it pretty much cannot stand on its own
grizzled bluff
I actually have to disagree with that. If after finishing Paradox (or even starting and being confused ),it doesn't come up to google the studio and see if there are other games,that's not the journalists fault.
At which point it being a series should be clear enough
Not to be elitist or anything, but if you can't to that, I can't imagine finishing all the puzzles
copper hawk
Paradox is definitely not the most puzzle heavy of the whole, but...
grizzled bluff
Paradox is one of the "easier"ones. If you can't figure out that there is a series using google, how will you solve the puzzles in the other games?
copper hawk
I mean they were nice enough to give us a tower of hanoï, one of the most known puzzles, half the size, and half done already x)
grizzled bluff
Asdgg
copper hawk
and most people are too lazy to use google
x)
they have to have the info in front of them
grizzled bluff
So yeah, that's my point. For pople who wantrd to get invested, even a tiny bit, the bad journalism wouldn't have made a difference
copper hawk
I'm also not saying it's ALL because of journalism
I'm just pointing out THEIR flaws, because it's pretty easy to fix
grizzled bluff
For those it would have mattered, they wouldn't have gotten past seasons or the lake anyway, they most likely wouldn't have the motivation to
While the journalism could have been much better (vg journalism is baaad), I was arguing it didn't make a difference in the audience the series reached
Not that there was no issue with it (or well. Not "no" difference,just negledable)
north pasture
I started on paradox and then played the rest in (semi) order, which was AWESOME
but someone who would have played all the games and then played Paradox would get a lot more of it then I did (but replaying it is wild cause “THATS WHAT THAT WAS”)
vague imp
I played paradox first
north tangle
Hiya guys.
north pasture
hello!
red wave
I think that some events in the series are metaphors of what really happened, for example, I do not believe that Dale saw the corrupted soul of Laura's friend arrested, but rather he saw that it was a differentiated entity (I hope you understood)
native vortex
Huh
copper hawk
It's pretty much already been established that corruption is a state of second-self driven by intense emotions, the soul that resonates within you and takes control over your conscience, which is why it takes the same shape as a simple dead soul
night forge
I've been wondering: If Dale is chased into the elevator by Mr.Deer's shadow in case 22, then why is dale already at the bottom of the lake before Mr.Deer became a shadow in Hotel?
fiery wharf
Perhaps the time-altering aspects of the storyline make non-linear events possible
fiery wharf
Yes but what about the cubes?
native vortex
Imo cubes give the lake the ability to bend the time???
@copper hawk is better at these analysis
fiery wharf
Hmmmm.
copper hawk
uh...
You've messed up your timeline, there
Dale wasn't even born during Hotel
The triplets weren't even born
native vortex
Triplet?
copper hawk
Samuel, Emma and Albert
I don't even think that James and Mary were together
but I'll have to check that
any way
(btw it's Case 23)
night forge
Yeah, thanks
copper hawk
Cave just takes place after Case 23, that's all
copper hawk
the timeline is fairly linear
(and no, Dale didn't save his family, it's just a therapeutic alteration of memory)
(barely ethic, but efficient)
night forge
At the end of Hotel, The elevator goes up into the hotel, right? Is that in the future, or..
native vortex
Mr owl is freud in disguise
copper hawk
It's just a way for the devs to say that Dale is coming in the future
copper hawk
Ok, I'll admit it, I'm really torn here
The soul that attacks Laura and Harvey has wings and a human physique, plus is linked to a male corpse
so I guess it could be Samsara guy
BUT
Samsara guy knows about Bob Ross
fiery wharf
The painter?!
copper hawk
yup
and The Joy of Painting didn't start before 1982
so he died after 1982
but the soul attacks them in 1969
fiery wharf
I maintain that time is nonlinear in the story until there is evidence to the contrary
copper hawk
and it could be Pigeon since we see a pigeon before being attacked in Harvey's box
but the soul looks nothing like Pigeon's soul
Time is linear
most of the time
and when it's not it's because of game design
not story telling
if time was irrelevant, there wouldn't be so much emphasis on dates
but we know the exact day of many many events....
or at least the exact period of the year
time in Rusty Lake is what is called deterministic
past events lead to determined outcomes
and even if free will exist, it's still within the range of determinism
past events offer you a precise choice to make, and your decision is deterministic of some other events
the future is the sum of all past events
which is what is closest to what most people associates with real life timeline
which is logical since Rusty Lake takes place in our world... more or less
north pasture
👀👀👀👀
OOKAY BUT
ACCORDING TO THE WIKI, THERES ONLY TWO HALF-CORRUPTED SOULS WE EVER SEE: DALE AND THE ONE LAURA FISHES FROM THE LAKE
WAS THAT DALE IN THE LAKE
native vortex
How about bob's shadow
copper hawk
Bob killed himself after Laura's suicide
native vortex
So him being a shadow is just a projection in dale's mind?
Also don't we have 5 corrupted souls from hotel?
copper hawk
they're animal-like souls
native vortex
But theyre still corrupted soul???
copper hawk
and when someone is a shadow even if they're alive, it's because the soul take over their consciousness
it's this secondary state where it's your emotions that act, and not you
yes, but those souls have a distinct visible form
and they have no corpse since... they were all eaten
the soul in the Lake is bounded to a drowned corpse
native vortex
Oh my god,,,,
copper hawk
I DON'T KNOW
hollow raptor
well it's not unlikely that there are several victims of corruption who we don't know the identity of, so it could be someone who hasn't made a pre-corruption appearance in the games (yet?)
copper hawk
but it's weird that they would have wings...
hollow raptor
true....that one could be mrs pigeon indeed (though sadly we will have to wait for a confirmation to be 100% sure)
vague imp
tbh i have a theory about Laura..but its sorta vice versa from the William theory..
but if any of you wanna hear i can?
hollow raptor
ah yes feed me the theories
vague imp
So what if Laura (after she was reborn) had huge body dysphoria and since back then it was seen as "weird" and a thing that was shunned maybe that caused her depression as for why she was with Bob (what seemed to be a romantic relationship btw) well maybe he accepted her who she (or should i say he) really was. But of course (sadly) that wasn't enough (which i also believe we can't blame Bob, im sure he tried his best) i mean maybe she want to dress in a more..huh manly way (if that makes any sense.) but she (forced) herself to wear like..dresses because society wanted her to act that way...? ((again its sorta dumb..but..))
hollow raptor
well I don't think this is gonna be canon, but a nice thought you had there^^
vague imp
true it doesnt have to be canon its just a personal you know..theory uwu
copper hawk
It's possible
even plausible
not really backed up by any real proof, but plausible
red wave
who killed Dale Father? (the man behind the mask)
vague imp
?
when did that happen?
i mean i think in birthday yes but ..
oh wait nv i remember now huh yeah i have a theory for that also:
So like Dale since he was nine when it happened (atleast i think he was nine back then?) so like, huh..there was no real rabbit coming to kill his family so my thought is that it was David Eilander but Dale never saw his face so thus he imagined him as a real rabbit..
red wave
compare, for example, with the rabbit of the Hotel, logically that rabbits change from one to the other, however, we have an idea of what is the structure of one, in the universe of Rusty Lake, obviously
and,in the Rusty Lake video in Paradox we see that its a mask
red wave
yes,but,whos the killer?
vague imp
Well you did call David Eilander in Paradox
and then he arrived and killed Dales mother and father
so i think it was David Eilander from Rusty Lake Paradise
but something i noticed in Paradox..
while Dales mother and father were there..his grandfather wasnt
red wave
so..hes a rabbit that uses a rabbit mask?
red wave
i think that Dale Grandfather its Mr Crow in Dale memories,for Dale to remember that it did not happen, it was just a memory
I know it's annoying to keep hitting the same key, but it's not the same mask
and David its Dead in Birthady,because he died at Hotel
so...his soul are chasing Dale?
vague imp
I dont think the rabbit in hotel was David...
red wave
so we are coming to the conclusion that there are two rabbits, one is David and the second is unknown
red wave
or,David was in hitel but faked his death,because the Soul its white
vague imp
hmmm
red wave
maybe,David escaped and for some reason,killed or not dale's parents
vague imp
Maybe he like..got a "friend" of his into the hotel telling him that like..
"hey you need a vacation"
but it was really a death trap and that rabbit took his palce
place*
red wave
one thing that people do not think is that it was a magic trick he already knew, that is, it was very simple for him to have forged
vague imp
true..true..
red wave
but,whos the owner of the meat
vague imp
Hm..
red wave
maybe the brown Rabbit
red wave
in short: Dale turned the brown rabbit and went to the hotel, he met the white rabbit who disguised himself and died in his place, so Dale ran away and the white rabbit wronged killed the relatives of Dale
vague imp
David* not Dale but yes..
vague imp
yeah same here..
red wave
whe need another game to know whos the White Rabbit
vague imp
well maybe we will get something in next weeks teaser..
red wave
but I would be very angry if they are the same person, because then there would be a flaw in the script
vague imp
Some people think that but tbh i dunno what do think anymore
copper hawk
It's clearly stated in Paradox that his name is D. Eilander
there aren't many suspects
but there are many theories that point out how Mr. Rabbit in Hotel must be someone else than David
just the for the fact that he has a body...
that there are two Mr. Rabbit in Hotel
and two different models in the same game, one with, and one without whiskers
copper hawk
I believe that the Rabbit in Hotel is David
He got killed by Harvey
They ate his body
and when they escaped
he didn't go in the lake
(he's the only one not shown in the shot in the secret Birthday scene)
but he possessed the white Rabbit outside of the Hotel
stole his body
and used it to continue his magician career and kill the last known descendants of Mr. Owl and Mr. Crow's family : the Vandermeer
to avenge his own branch of the family, and to use the pistol as a way to balance his past life and regain immortality
As far as I know, it's the only theory that fits every clue we have
(combined with the extended family theory, of course)
red wave
great theory...
copper hawk
thanks
I've been thinking about it since a couple of years x)
but I only had hanging bits at the time
about 2 years I think
something like that
and then it becomes easier when you have more clues about wtf is going on
red wave
but even in this theory,its so confused,i hope rusty lake explain this story
north pasture
:0 ooooooooo
copper hawk
I think Harvey is a bird that transformed into an Asura, rather than a man
Because Aldous and Jakob can go back to human form but we never see them in total animal form
and Harvey can go back to animal form but we never see him in total human (same for Mr. Bat)
Because the elixir just permits you to go from one state of life to another, namely the one you started with, and Asura which grants you immortality, but not every single ones
red wave
but,why the dog didnt turned into a human?
copper hawk
Maybe because he didn't want to, or just because we never see it
red wave
(half human)
copper hawk
we just see him 2 times while infused with the elixir
red wave
yeah...
night forge
Hi everyone! I've made a pamphlet for organizing the games, and using to think into what's happening: https://docs.google.com/document/d/112vo5hRB1t9brEV5vHdqpRqk01yg_Y2wtgABQ8IWsvg/edit?usp=sharing
vague imp
Cursed theroy:
Bojack Horseman was a human before he found out about Rusty Lake.
Ok jk
copper hawk
Samsara*
thin elk
Fairynuff
copper hawk
?
thin elk
What
vague imp
fairynuff-fair enough
copper hawk
AH
fiery wharf
Lol “fairynuff” 😂
red wave
cursed theory:Coma
north pasture
JFKSKF
copper hawk
Ok, so
I'm trying to pinpoint the exact species of parrot Harvey is
the closest I found so far is red-bellied parrot
now hear me out
I know his belly isn't red
but
fiery wharf
I’m not sure Harvey is a specific species?
copper hawk
females are green
fiery wharf
Well that would bolster my thought that Harvey was badly named lol
copper hawk
x)
vague imp
Actually i dunno how true this would be
but coming from a real estate broker a lot of old houses had/still have asbestos in them.So if someone per say lived in said house for a long long time, it could cause massive hallucinations (due to lack of air ™ and you all know we need that to survive, yes asbestos poisoning will make it hard to breathe) so what im saying is there is a small possibility that (at least back in the times of the Vanderbooms) they could have hallucinated some things.Same for the hotel (i think)
Dale should really wear a mask or something to avoid breathing it in also, or he could get lung cancer.
Edit:And the fact that he smokes, yeah it would surely effect him faster than a non smoker.
copper hawk
And all the stress caused by coffee, the case and the all-nighters he pulled because of both...
vague imp
True, true.
red wave
im sorry to reveal all the story,but Laura died and Rusty Lake its a Dream
night forge
But what if it's all real, though? How would that make sense?
copper hawk
Not really, way too much consistency over 200 years, 22 000 in a few months
It COULD be, but it would make no sense
vague imp
i know that
but they dying dream part is the part in the "modern" era
not in the Vanderboom/Eilander timeline
copper hawk
But why would Laura dream about Dale... That is already "dreaming" of Laura ?..
copper hawk
That's way too fucked up
vague imp
Rusty Lake is fucked up tbh..
copper hawk
Though, there is one "crappy theory" that would actually make a lot of sense
The Lake is some kind of purgatory that Dale goes through because he pushed Bob to kill himself over Laura's suicide
vague imp
perhaps..?
night forge
Maybe the elixir is causing hallucinations?
copper hawk
It's the only "crappy theory" that makes sense
(I classify as "crappy theories" the purgatory, dream and coma-like theories)
vague imp
they sometimes end up as true tho, i dont think RL is gonna end that way tho
but still they arent rlly crappy.
copper hawk
Because it can be pulled out anywhere without much effort
night forge
Will the new game clear it up, perhaps?
vague imp
who knows guess we will see..
copper hawk
And then you end up in a classic "everything becomes a nail" view of the universe
copper hawk
With many speculations and little to no evidence
vague imp
trust me i watch a whole series who has 3 characters in purgatory..
copper hawk
Dale's journey actually is very purgatory-like, going on a journey to cleans his soul from past trauma via his memory cubes
vague imp
hm..
night forge
What about the rest? That doesn't have to do with dale
copper hawk
That's pretty much really
With proofs like the fact that there is WWI
And many many many things pointing to North America / Canada
vague imp
whats that state that Americans make fun of like..
"Weird stuff happen in insert state here"
manic glade
Florida
vague imp
no..XD
night forge
West Virginia
vague imp
idk im a Estonian..XD i just heard from a American friend they say that..
manic glade
Or rather, that's pretty low on the list of "weird" states
Granted, we will say that nearly any state that isn't highly populated is weird
manic glade
The US as a place is generally pretty weird, it's ok
But Florida has the craziest people
copper hawk
Weird stuff happen in... The world .-.
Like in New...
Watches Lucid slowly arming the banhammer
Anyway, did you know that 99.9% of recorded deaths happened on earth ?
I should change channel
fiery wharf
To be honest, “Florida Man” is a cultural trope in America. But the Lake isn’t in Florida, it looks someplace north like Wisconsin or Minnesota.
copper hawk
More like Manitoba
fiery wharf
.> southern Manitoba looks a helluva lot like Minnesota. It’s certainly not northern Manitoba.
north pasture
hey uh
What would happen if I broke a cube
if I just WHACKED it with a sledgehammer, is it hollow??? would it explode????? what would it DO
would the memories pop out and play like a hologram??????
bold owl
White cube, in a very girly voice: uhm could you don't
shadow stump
@north pasture why would it break?
copper hawk
I imagine it's made out of a pretty solid material, most likely nearly unbreakable
but if it was to be broken, it would either be a hard shell with an ectoplasm-like substance that would be the memory, or either a solid obsidian-like gem
but it's a really smooth hard material, like polished marble
though extremely light
I would even say it weighs almost nothing, considering that the energy within is enough to make it float
so imagine a polished, pure black, marble shell cube, containing an ectoplasmic substance running with energy, weighing barely more than an empty cardboard box of the same size
that's my interpretation of coobz
This is polished pure black marble, for reference
north pasture
oooooooo
north pasture
(Laura, after breaking open a cube) hell yeah slimer juice!!!! who you gonna call????
gleaming herald
How do we know that in Cube Escape: Lake we play as Laura?
gleaming herald
K, thanks
copper hawk
and it's stated on an official timeline posted by the devs
and because of Harvey's Box... and Harvey's box in Case 23
fiery wharf
I always figured the cubes to be matte, so as to be featureless, and solid but unbreakable. They’re not part of the normal universe per se so they shouldn’t be breakable nor hollow. If they represent abstractions they really must be solid.
copper hawk
It gets confusing with names...
bold owl
It's just a rubik's cube covered in vantablack
copper hawk
x)
hollow raptor
i am fully willing to accept this as canon
fiery wharf
@bold owl that’s probably the best answer 😂
I always take my Rubik’s cubes apart to solve them anyway roflmao
copper hawk
I mean cubes are technically the very essence of a soul / memory
considering that memories are technically what create your soul, since your inner you, without its corporal envelope, is basically just the accumulation of past memories and experiences
so the fact that it's even physical is weird to say the least
fiery wharf
Gonna have to disagree about the soul, RED, it exists integrally to the person and grows through experiences, but as Descartes proved experience isn’t necessary for knowledge
copper hawk
yeah but it's canon that cubes are both the embodiment of souls and memories
and there is only one type of "cube"
so...
north pasture
au where laura is holding three cubes instead of one and starts juggling them
bold owl
"yo Daleboy check this out lmao"
north pasture
‘daleboy’ is THE best nickname
north pasture
hey how weird was it when Jakob first became an owl. like “ok. I’ve morphed into my fursona. also I’m gonna go eat some worms so.”
DO MR OWL AND MR CROW EAT WORMS
south sparrow
Mr Owl would look at his coughed up pellets and be like “so that’s what gave me a big tummy ache”
north pasture
JDKDG
red wave
please Rusty Lake make another game,the theories are running out
north pasture
give us our fav detective !!!!!!!!!!! we miss him
north pasture
hey like???? are corrupted souls maliable??? Can you touch it or will u pass through??
copper hawk
well...
Bob hanged a guard, Laura stabbed an old lady, decapitated a cow and tried to strangle a bird, a soul decapitated a deer in Paradox, William interacts with the world to kill his descendants, the guest's souls break the glass
vague imp
Yeah but its implied they really cant see him?
copper hawk
it's pretty clear they are physical beings
copper hawk
It's also implied that when in close connection with death, they can
vague imp
other times they cant?
copper hawk
Emma saw William before hanging herself, Rose spoke to him via a Ouija board, Ida saw his future actions, and Albert accepted his skull gift via voodoo
vague imp
ah yeah okay makes sense
north pasture
ooooooo
red wave
ooooooo
north pasture
hey WHO is the bat bellboy and WHERE did they come from
I’m trying to think of characters we’ve met that haven’t been enlightened yet and???
bob????? mmmaybe??
except that it’s an Actual Bat/Cat hybrid thing
vague imp
Tbh i doubt its Bob.
hollow raptor
justice for bob D:
copper hawk
the Bat is the same as in Cave, so it's the same as for Harvey, it's an animal that can transform into a hybrid, which means they got this power from some other source than the elixir
red wave
I think that there was first the technique of the ritual, which was very primitive and cost lives, then the technique was modernizing until arriving at Willian and Aldous who created the most modern of all, which was the Elixir
copper hawk
Ok, let me explain REALLY QUICKLY the connections between the 3 families, because going in depth would take literally hours
In Theatre and Case 23, we see Mrs. pheasant (or her skull) surrounded by objects of her past life, including a foetus
which means she had at least one child
she is about 18-20 in Paradise, which takes place in 1796
and Paradox tells us Aldous was born in 1799
which makes her the best candidate to be his mother
wait, no, David is the youngest and he looks 22...
red wave
yes, but is it precisely that being a fetus does not mean that she aborted?
copper hawk
so she's like 23-25 or something
vague imp
possibly yes she aborted one kid
copper hawk
it could be, but there are only 3 possible candidates
Jakob, that was burned alive
David that looks way too weird to even find someone
and Elizabeth that we know had a partner and could have had children
so...
Also, it explains why Laura has a painting of...
I forgot her name...
Caroline
vague imp
Caroline
copper hawk
it's inheritage
red wave
I have a weird connection theory involving that Hotel birdie, but I thought now it might have holes.
vague imp
share it anyways some parts could work
red wave
and if that little bird was a son that Mrs. pigeon hid to avoid participating in the ritual (since he would be a firstborn), but after turning the lady pigeon, she began to torture him, with its outcome in the hotel (as we have already seen ), so my theory is that he and Aldous's father (yes, I know the theory is crazy but ... always good to have)
So what do you guys think?
red wave
he IS aldous father*
vague imp
Yeah i dont think the small bird isn't like..Aldous's father
because Aldous was alive already by the time it happened..
red wave
and I know it's a weird theory because I invented literally in a second after we talked about it
is because I forgot her name in Paradise, but in theory the bird was born there
vague imp
Margaret?
red wave
yes
copper hawk
I mean...
first of all, Aldous already is 94 yo (physically 60) when Hotel happens...
so...
and anyway, how would that bird be Aldous' father if Elizabeth is single in 1796 but Aldous is born in 1799 ?
the best you could say is that this bird is the representation of Aldous being tortured by his family when he was young
(they're crazy enough to do just that)
But this is pure speculation
...
Or maybe it's not so crazy after all...
Baby crow :
vs baby pigeon :
vague imp
tbh couldnt we say that the baby crow at "the house" was Mr.Crow?
copper hawk
but it symbolises that he is everywhere, watching the family, inside and outside the house
and he apparently can do astral projection
he's an alchemist, it wouldn't be too much of a stretch
realises he didn't connect the Vander-s
well at this point everyone is familiar with the grandfather Aldous theory I guess
well, it looks more like a baby crow than a baby pigeon, for sure..
red wave
but regardless of my theory have holes, I find it interesting to theorize who this bird is
and whos mrs Toad and Mrs Bat?
red wave
I think this discord is where the rusty lake story is best developed
vague imp
Tbh i heard a lot of people wanna show this series to Matpat
i mean idm but a lot of people seem to dislike him.
copper hawk
I only hate the fact that he doesn't do theories
in a show called game theory
he uses games as an excuse to talk about other subjects
and he even admits that
vague imp
He’s a twat
copper hawk
and then it's presented as facts, and it destroys the original game's intent
red wave
Less Five Nights At Freddy's
copper hawk
like Sans=Ness, it was just an excuse to surf on UT's popularity while talking about his husbando of a game : Earthbound
red wave
I think he only does Fnaf video because they are the most popular if I'm not mistaken.
vague imp
oh yeah FNAF..
copper hawk
A friend of mine, that is a theory youtuber (the biggest I know in France, and often compared to MatPat) made a video on the subject of what is a "theory", and why what MatPat does is... not "wrong", but missleading
I'll check if the subtitles are ready yet...
red wave
i would really love if Rusty Lake games became popular
copper hawk
eeeeeh... the automatic subtitles are.... good enough ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYt77Z7e4Qo
If you ever need help, just @ me
vague imp
dm me it il watch later.
copper hawk
"you tell me give a little answer on a tray money"
oh god...
it should be "you kinda give me the answer on a silver plate"...
x)
I think I should just write the transcript down
I'll ask him the script
it'll be easier for everyone
copper hawk
It,ll take a few days
copper hawk
...
I'm only 3 minutes in, and already I'm almost at 2 word pages...
I forgot how long his texts are...
copper hawk
I just figured this out
and idk if it was intentional or not
but the Vanderboom family tree
looks a lot like the tree of life
copper hawk
For those who don't know, the tree of life is the final stage of maturity of the seed of life
it's an alchemic geometry
copper hawk
x)
yes
it represents the start of the formation of an embryo
1 cell, then 2 cells, then 4 cells, then 8 cells
the flower of life can be declined in many other things
(it's in french but still clear enough for you)
it is part of what's called sacred geometry
which is believed to be the mathematics god used to create the universe
it includes the golden ratio, Fibonacci's sequence, and the platonic solids, for exemple
and I mean they have a solid case for that, since those mathematical principle are pretty much everywhere in nature
just look at the Barnsley fern
it's 2 triangles and random chance
and it makes a fucking FERN
red wave
Man...Rusty Lake is complex
fiery wharf
The mathematical nature of the Universe is an undeniable constant, and it leaves little room for true random chance, only minutiae of data.
copper hawk
The Metatron's cube is the most interesting since it includes the 5 platonic solids, each representing an element, fire water earth air ether
I'm actually surprised it didn't appear in RL already
night forge
I'm going to try and write a summary of the entire rusty lake timeline
Should I just copy and paste the whole thing into one comment, or cut it up into little pieces and let discussion occur?
copper hawk
it'll never fit into 2000 caracters
copper hawk
x)
night forge
bye
copper hawk
bye
if you need any help
just ask
Not to brag, but I'm the one around here with the most knowledge of the series, and working interconnecting theories
red wave
I'll try to make a timeline, if there's something wrong you'll let me know Red
copper hawk
x)
copper hawk
I always make sure that all my theories work together
and if something doesn't add up, I revisit every single one of my discoveries to see if I can fix the problem in a logical manner
red wave
and this may even help in your summary, Brok
manic glade
snorts
copper hawk
so that I have a web of theories that make out the whole story of the game
and not every single theory I make is accepted
BUT THEY WORK TOGETHER AND WITH THE GAME
red wave
hollow raptor
i think as long as not disproven or proven, all theories should be considered as possibly canon, but not factual canon
red wave
I strongly believe in theory that all games tell some metaphor about reality
copper hawk
I consider as factual canon a theory that starts with a fact and with a series of logical connections and the least possible amount of speculation possible, ends on another fact
red wave
yeah
copper hawk
and make a connexion that would have no or little sense other than said theory
example of what I consider a canon theory :
Eilander = guests
red wave
it would be really cool if some popular Youtuber made a video about the series and attracted a larger audience
hollow raptor
whispers Matpat c'mon
copper hawk
but it's technically just a theory, it's never clearly said anywhere
red wave
A GAME THEORY(im sorry,i cant resist)
copper hawk
@humble drift
It's based on alchemy, that has roots in Buddhism and the Torah/Bible
humble drift
Yeup
I was researching Buddhism at one point and realized I recognized the Sanskrit/translations from RL
copper hawk
the mystical parts are from the Bible, and the scientific ones, from Buddhist searchers
humble drift
which mystical parts? -is actually Christian but idk-
humble drift
o i
copper hawk
it's based on the star of David
red wave
a doubt that may be somewhat obvious, but it is always good to take away: What did Mr Owl benefit when he killed his relatives? Or was it just revenge?
copper hawk
the seed of life is made out of 7 circles, like the 7 days of creation
humble drift
lit. I haven't played the steam games yet but i plan on watching the walthroughs
copper hawk
the fruit of life is a mix between the seed of life and Metatron's cube
Metatron being an archangel
and his cube being based on 2 interlocking tetrahedrons
so a 3d star of David
humble drift
hah, so much symbolism
copper hawk
yup
it's pretty much everywhere in alchemy
Alchemy and the sacred geometry were actually mystical sciences that tried to understand the universe that God created
copper hawk
tf is that ?
humble drift
oh, it's a book
literally one of my first exposures to alchemy
but i've learned some interesting stuff now
humble drift
-raises eyebrows-
copper hawk
Rusty Lake (obviously)
Alchemia
and Cultist simulator
- the research they pushed me to do
(especially Alchemia)
humble drift
o _ O
copper hawk
(since it's less of a game and more of a "go search the key to my puzzle on Wikipedia so you can decode me")
humble drift
I'm looking it up, the cultist one?
copper hawk
?
humble drift
oh nvm
humble drift
well then
copper hawk
the only real interaction you have is when you get to the very end and steam confirms you decoded everything
but I don't even know how since I never decoded the last puzzle
copper hawk
and most of the other puzzles I brute forced since the codes are mostly substitution
and the puzzles themselves aren't really fair
||Like you're supposed to understand that "ANGEL/DEMON" means "take the letter that is in between those two letters", with no other indication||
humble drift
sounds like RL
copper hawk
It's so bad I have to add my own poetry to help others
because the start of every puzzle is a poem
humble drift
Oh yow
copper hawk
for exemple, the poem of the first puzzle is :
Remove the false emblems and leave only true,
rearrange what remains to build the key anew.
A Tyrolese printmaker hides but one,
another with the canon of Bridlington.
Faust holds two for all his glory,
the last in the eternal alchemist's laboratory.
humble drift
that is uh hh
copper hawk
but when you have the key
you don't know what to do with it
there is no indication
So to help someone, I had to add
The key holds the answer for it is an omen,
a gift to understand the position of men.
In twine they battle full of mystery,
holding the truth at the heart of their rivalry.
||It was the one I talked about, with "ANGEL/DEMON"||
humble drift
eyow
copper hawk
||Since between angels and demons there are men, so "understand the position of men"
and you have to take the middle of two letters, hence "in twine [...] the heart of their rivalry"||
red wave
a doubt that may be somewhat obvious, but it is always good to take away: What did Mr Owl benefit when he killed his relatives? Or was it just revenge?
copper hawk
Looks like pure vengeance to me, since he planned on just having their souls sitting there in decoration for him to enjoy
humble drift
^
copper hawk
yup
night forge
Sorry, how do I mask it with a spoiler thing?
red wave
the message above is a Spoiler
night forge
Thanx
||There is a place called Rusty Lake, where many strange supernatural occurrences occur. It all started with the Eilanders, a small family living on an island. Hah, Island, Eilanders… In the family was Grandma Margaret, Mom Caroline, Dad Nicolas, Uncle Gerald, Bro David, Sis Elizabeth, and Jakob. There was a prophecy that one would be enlightened. Mom took much of her time trying to figure out the prophecy in a cave, which you’ll see is something many people do here. While trying to find this, she died. Jakeyboy returned to the island to avenge his mother’s death. Caroline’s ghost brought plagues upon the lake, not unlike the biblical plagues in Genesis. The only way to stop this was to put her memories into the lake, which represented themselves as spinning black cubes. [From there, I haven’t played enough to write anymore. I have a hunch that they are all the guests from the "Hotel" game, but I dunno. Also, Jakob is Mr.Owl]||
humble drift
I do || on either side
red wave
Red, I wanted you to confirm if the following timeline is correct:
1-Paradise
2-Roots-Hotel
3-Seasons
4-Harvey Box and Lake (memories)
5-Case 23-Mill
6-Paradox-Theatre-Birthday (memories)
7-Cave
night forge
Looks right to me
||After all of this, Vanderbloom brothers Aldous and William lived in a house near the lake. They were alchemists, trying to find the Elixir of Life. They worked tirelessly in their cave on this. William eventually found it, but alas, it did not work on him. His brother, however, was enlightened. Now known as Mr. Crow, he warns his brother to watch out for him if they ever meet again.
William, upon drinking the elixir, threw up a seed, then promptly died. Mr. Crow stuffed the fat body into a grandfather clock, then flew off to help Mr. Owl. However, he did send a letter to his nephew/son, James, along with the seed. James lived in the household his uncles lived in before him for many years. He had three children with a nice girl, Mary. Baldy (Samuel), Curly (Emma), and Spiky (Albert) all lived in the house. Baldy got married to a future teller, Ida, and had a son, Leonard. Curly somehow had a child with a plant? and gave birth to a son, Frank. Finally, while in a cave (of course), Spiky took Ida’s egg cells and made a child by Science. Yuck.||
Feel free to correct me at any point.
night forge
William Vanderbloom ’s spirit was still around, and he wanted to live again. Each family member sacrificed something to give him a new body. Dad died from drinking the elixir and gave his tongue. Mom died from listening to terrible music and gave her teeth. Baldy and his wife were killed by Spiky via Voodoo, and both gave an eye. Curly committed suicide because Frank was stolen into a cave by Spiky, and she gave her tears. Spiky was killed by Frank, and Frank took his brain. Finally, Leo gave his foot, Rose gave her blood, and Frank his hair.
The three grandchildren brought all the sacrifices into- you guessed it- a cave. The tree took the sacrifices and created a body for William: Laura Vanderbloom. Yes, he did become a woman. Deal with it.
copper hawk
The timeline :
1796 : Paradise
1869 - 1888 : Roots
1888 : Arles
1888 - 1893 : Roots
1893 : Hotel
1893 - 1934 : Roots
1939 : Birthday (event)
1964 : Seasons Spring (event)
1969 : The Lake (event)
/ Harvey's box
1971 : -Seasons Summer (event)
-Seasons Fall (event)
-Case 23 Crime scene
1972 : -Case 23 Office
/ Theatre (event)
/ The Mill
/ Seasons (memory) (?)
/ The Lake (memory) (?)
/ Case 23 Chapel
-Case 23 Cabin
-The Cave
/ Paradox (memory)
/ Seasons (memory) (?)
/ The Lake (memory) (?)
-Birthday (memory)
-Theatre (memory)
.
- = happens in the same year as previous
/ = happens relatively at the same time as previous
night forge
While all this was occurring, Mr. Crow and Mr. Owl were up to shenanigans. They took a hint from “And Then There Were None”, and decided to kill all the animal-headed peeps. Mr. Crow took all five guests to the Hotel; Mr.Boar, an Opium addicted fat guy who wants sandwiches, Mrs. Pheasant, an egotistical model who wants a photo shoot, Mr. Deer, a skeptical conspiracy theorist who wants a drink, Mr. Rabbit, a magician who magics, and Ms. Pidgeon, a terrible child hurting madwoman who wants a bath. A bird named Harvey takes a humanoid form to serve Mr. Crow and Mr. Owl’s intentions. They kill Mr. Boar via ax drop, Mrs.Pheasant via actual shooting, Mr. Deer via magic bloody mary, Mr. Rabbit via magic trick accident, and Ms. Pigeon via electricity. Mr. Owl puts the memories of the animals into the lake.
copper hawk
(?) = speculation of placement
night forge
Now that Laura is alive, everything wants to kill her. She resorted into a quiet life in a house with a man named Bob, but with either memory flashes from her previous life, or the ordinary supernatural occurrences of the lake, she believes she is mentally ill. Lo and behold, Rusty Lake is known for mental health. She leaves Bob, and he goes into depression. He soon leaves the house.
Laura and her bird, Harvey (Who somehow got in her possession) move to a cabin on the lake. She puts a bunch of things she found in the lake into a pentagram shape- bad idea. A shadow over takes her. Then… these events happen in some order.
- Laura returns home and commits suicide.
- Laura washes up on the shore of Rusty Lake. Mr. Owl takes notice, and gives her to Mr. Crow, now retired in a mill. He uses the mill to take out three memories: Blue, Black, and White. Finally, he throws out the “corpse”
- Laura gets trapped in the lake in a weird machine thingy. She is becoming a shadow creature.
bold owl
I don't think spoilers need to be tagged on the theories channel, guys
night forge
Should I take them off of mine?
red wave
yeah
bold owl
You don't need to edit them, but you don't need to keep using them in the future on this channel
night forge
Dunno the order, but Detective Dale Vandermeer takes the case of Laura’s death. “Case 23”, he calls it. He studies and works at it for a year, then finally decides to visit the place. He finds more and more evidence at the Chapel, until Mr. Crow himself gives him a boat ride to the Cabin. At the cabin, he is chased into an elevator by Mr.Deer’s ghost thingy, and Dale goes down into the lake. Then is put in a machine thingy, across from Laura. He experiences the events in Paradox.
And that's all.
{So Far}
red wave
because whoever enters here is fated to be spoilers
night forge
Yeah
red wave
Why did Laura commit suicide?
vague imp
Depression (that is if she did.)
night forge
She was tormented with her previous memories
I think sometimes the shadows are symbolic and sometimes not
vague imp
Possibly.
red wave
I know they are memories, but for some reason, I think she found the body (Lake) and committed suicide right away
night forge
like Laura was killed by the shadow, meaning she killed herself from depression
copper hawk
there
dotted = "as a memory"
(?) = not sure if it's there
Yes Samsara room is at the end of the timeline
red wave
I think at Birthday his grandfather did not die, I think it was a manipulation of Dale's memory
why?
copper hawk
because Samsara guy knows who Bob Ross is
red wave
omf
copper hawk
and that he makes paintings
red wave
x)
copper hawk
so it has to be at least 1981, since it's when the first episode aired
vague imp
war flashbacks to the time i tried following Bob Ross in one of his drawing videos
copper hawk
x)
red wave
in the paradox the grandfather of the dale does not appear, only appears his parents, at that moment, dale saw the reality, not the imagination, so his grandfather is not present
copper hawk
Dale's grandfather was there, but he wasn't important when he mentioned the massacre to his psychologist
red wave
yeah
but I believe in the theory that mr crow entered dale's memoirs, he appears in the two (theater and birthday)
copper hawk
yes, but in the case of Birthday, the fact that Aldous is actually his grandfather would make sense
because David came to have the pistol
right ?
and it's the grandfather's pistol
red wave
then Aldous faked his death?
copper hawk
and Harvey is friend with the family
as shown in the letter in Birthday, and the fact that he know when Dale was born as an easter egg in roots
so Aldous as a gradfather would make sense when you see that it's the same pistol as Mrs. Pheasant's
and it's the only two guns that are reused assets
even Bob and Van Gogh's guns aren't exactly the same model
red wave
it would be incredible if in the next game Aldous opened the suit and appeared several bullet holes
copper hawk
we don't see him naked .-.
night forge
I dunno, is the new black maze game canon?
vague imp
Aldous got shot in the head
vague imp
a bullet wound still leaves a mark
night forge
Yeah, but Nicolas got impaled in the head by flyguy and he was fine
vague imp
we never saw him from the side tho
copper hawk
through the ear
vague imp
or well we did, but his face was covered with a bandage
red wave
but wait a minute, if mr crow is immortal (survived several shots) why are not hotel guests too?
night forge
Mr. Crow then goes into yet another cave (Last time, I promise) and talks to Mr. Owl, who tells him to find Laura’s memories. Mr. Crow takes a sub and looks for them through the lake. After finding them, he goes into the room where Laura and Dale are being brainwashed. He puts the memories into their minds, and Dale recovers. He returns on his journey in the elevator.
Dale’s memories and the Lake’s are mixed, and he is confused. He experiences his 9th birthday again, and sees a play at the theater. Finally, he enters the hotel, where… Something happens? And apparently Vincent Van Gogh is in here somewhere?
There
Done
Is there anything I missed?
(Except for Samsara room and the new unreleased game0
night forge
:/:
night forge
Samsara room feels a lot like Paradox, in a way
red wave
a bit
humble drift
lmao wow
red wave
I thought that the colors of the girl dress of the original image were different
and they had edited to look like Jakob's mother
copper hawk
nope, it's the other way around x)
red wave
Did you already find the photo of the other puzzle?
copper hawk
oh
red wave
and this is the only picture that we do not know his influence
red wave
because for example: Starry Night is a reference to Cube Escape Arles, The Lake Girl is a reference to Rusty Lake Paradise
copper hawk
yeah
I mean
it's more of the other way around
they use many paintings to create their universe
and it connects in weird ways sometimes
but for example, Harvey's box level design is based on a Magritte painting
as for the legged fishes
red wave
then Hey I think important to note that maybe a next game is based in this painting, dont?
red wave
did you find it?
copper hawk
It's the shepherds adorating the baby jesus, by Bartolommeo Suardi
now for the other one
red wave
I'm going to put the edited photos in that research frame that I have
but the editing is so well made
red wave
oh
copper hawk
Massacre of the Innocents, Lodovico Mazzolino.
red wave
man...its so well made
they did a great job
maybe the massacre is from Roots?
because Albert kilk everybody?
copper hawk
no, it's just a representation that the white cube is a god, and the black cube a demon
red wave
but I think it's weird that it does not show any games
copper hawk
that they are powerful artefacts that can cause chaos and destruction and feed of it
copper hawk
no it just shows a river because... that's how they did paintings back then
red wave
I wanted to see something else like this.
type a painting of the Eilander family in a renaissance style
copper hawk
but you have to keep in mind that those paintings and this chappel were made by Elizabeth
red wave
Yes, I know it's not happening at that time.
copper hawk
so it is likely that the massacre never actually happened and is just there as a representation of its power
red wave
yes....
copper hawk
because otherwise it would be weird to have entire countries fighting for it...
and only focus on the Eilander-Vander- family
red wave
will the cubes be some kind of religion?
red wave
because it's in a chapel