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#🤔｜theories
copper hawk
past wren
Though who is the question mark?
Hey I got an idea, we where talking about the souls right? And souls can last forever in the game, maybe that is the question mark, it can relative anyone.
copper hawk
The question mark is just here to say that they're brothers
copper hawk
in Birthday, Dale's grandpa is the exact same character model than Aldous
stray token
(Otherwise great chart, though the résolution could be enhanced)
copper hawk
a thing that is never done anywhere
stray token
Oh, right
hollow raptor
they are not the same model, but look similar, so it could be that aldous and the grandfather are the same
copper hawk
and it can't be from his father side, otherwise he'd be called Dale Vanderboom
Wow
not the same model
stray token
Dunno, seems a little fast on the model theory
stray token
Aldous seems more lively on his roots' model though
copper hawk
It's the exact same
hollow raptor
no it's not?
copper hawk
down to the black eyes
there are no other character in the entire series that has black eyes
stray token
Might be just a coïncidence
Since he has sunglasses, why bother giving him real eyes
stray token
It doesnt seem obvious to me, but why not
copper hawk
I'll do a superposition when I can
spice frigate
I did it as much as I could in SAI
But tbh, Theory sounds believable, but I wait till it will say for itself, if it it's true or not
copper hawk
oh thanks
but you see ?
it's obvious it's the same base model
It IS Aldous
now you can argue whether he actually is Dale's grandfather or if he just got inside the memory
but
Harvey is a friend of the family
since he sent a card to Dale
"but it's also in the memory"
sure
but in Roots, that is confirmed to be more or less historically accurate, Harvey knows Dale's birth day
so he has to be friend with the family
dreamy dawn
maybe harvey was prepping for dale to be a successor?
it seems like they had their targets set on dale for a while
he was in that book in cave
copper hawk
and the reason the Rabbit came in the house and killed everyone was to get the pistol back to balance the essence of his past lives
and there is no way the pistol just magically got there, someone at the hotel must have been raiding the rooms
and it so happens that the grandpa is the one that understands that killer human rabbits are a thing
as if he already saw one
and he is the one the pistol belongs to
I mean there are very little other viable solutions, here
past wren
If they where the same person. Why he had eyes in the cave?
copper hawk
I have no clue
spice frigate
Aldous finally took off his mascara
copper hawk
because even before he discovered the elixir he had black eyes
spice frigate
but for real, maybe some touch up for the mirror?
I mean, you don't need to draw fingernails unless the hand itself is close to the "camera"
spice frigate
hm, then scrap what I said
past wren
I wonder how come they threw in roots, in the cave?
copper hawk
?
Oh ok
Remember the secret basement that James finds ?
That also is where the 10 sacrifices and the timepieces are used ?
well that's where they are
past wren
So in the book, it gives a double meaning.
Ten shall be one, one shall be ten sort of sense.
spice frigate
tbh, I haven't told this here but as we go with timeline...
Harvey (before seasons) is an adult parrot (as seen in Paradise, Roots)
but then as Seasons goes next, Harvey is small parrot
Is this continuation error? or maybe there's something behind it?
past wren
linkage i think, Starry Vampie, its in birthday, the snow-globe easter egg.
copper hawk
it's just a change in art style
you have to take into consideration that Seasons was the first to be released
spice frigate
Oh, Alrighty
I always thought Harvey is small parrot in seaons for some reason?
yeah, true my bad c:
past wren
Seasons is like time traveling thing, you only see the outlets before, it starts to unwind with diamond eyes
copper hawk
.-.
I have to say, you have a really weird vision of this series
it's cool, because it can give ideas
but it's... still nonsensical to me
past wren
If you meet up with me, you will probably think Hey this fellow is so weird. I blame it on my family.
spice frigate
we're weird in our own ways
I am proud of being weird in my own way tbh
past wren
Well.... if you are ready to be free from whatever disctration it comes to be in religion 😛 Not trying to convert anyone here.
Anyways i have not played roots in a while, sort of maybe past Ida's level?
copper hawk
My parents are just fanatics
not cult-like fanatics
but they did try to brainwash me
past wren
Oh at Fall 1924, the well part one.
Also starting with that one guy, Samuel that served.
What the hell, I speedrun on accident with the well part one 😮
past wren
Wow Hotel is the same island in Paradise Island, wow that is one massive island.
I have a theory on Mr. Toad, i think he can be slippery little one, toads are generally are, but we do not see him in any other game, oh wait there is a toad in roots, Leonard's pet toad. Well he is a man of many talents.
languid lantern
I think mr. Crow is Dale's grandfather
And I was foreshadowed even earlier during the case when he shaved his beard into a baby crow
inner pumice
Wait that wasn't obvious?
Ok I did think that was Mr. Crow until it got eaten by a cat
copper hawk
You know what ?
I think I'm gonna let you treat me like a god from now on
.
.
.
Ignore me for your entire life and call me whenever you need help
inner pumice
P funny but wrong char
copper hawk
?
No, it's the right chat
I know what I said, and to who I said it
I need to quit RL for a while
copper hawk
Bad idea
copper hawk
Last time I tried, I got sucked by the fucking cop story
inner pumice
Problem Sleuth?
copper hawk
Ugh...
yeah
When I finished it, I was just... not ready for another one
and I'm still not
spice frigate
Try to branch out in games, for example I played Darkest Dungeon but for now I don't
but I still play The Binding of Isaac, The sims 4 and other games
just don't stay in one genere
You can also go try practicing drawing/sculpting/sewing if you're intrested
and... uhhh idk
you'd need to tell me what you like etc.
copper hawk
I'm poor, why do you think I'm obsessed over a 12$ series ?
copper hawk
Playthroughs of Isaac really sounds pathetic XD
inner pumice
The Room
spice frigate
I mean, I did't meant Isaac, but other series that I didn't mentioned
inner pumice
6$ for the whole thing and it'll last you a summer
spice frigate
Normally I get bored to death if I watch Isaac playtroughs just... the same over and over XD
shadow stump
You could play Stardew valley, @copper hawk. It cost around 12$, but it last soooo long. On my first play, I have over 85 hours.
And I’m not done
spice frigate
Well, if you like something fucked up you can watch playthrough of Sally face
recently Episode 4 came out, it isn't really that much scary
copper hawk
@vague imp
This ?
vague imp
yeah that
copper hawk
ok
shadow stump
Looks cool
vague imp
shouldnt we take this convo to the-cabin tho`
spice frigate
I think we should tho
past wren
Been playing, now do not kid me , dress up rpgs lately on my phone.
past wren
No, Mr. Crow was not his grandfather, think the other Harvey that was a male was his grandfather.
inner pumice
There can be two grandfathers
past wren
It is possible. OR as many generations they are existing, just finished up roots with the extras in it. The hardest was Rose, had to take off my phone case in able to swipe the letters without bumping into my rubber case.
copper hawk
Harvey is portrayed as a friend of the family
and Dale's Grandfather and Mr. Crow have the same face
and they have the same known story
past wren
There are two Harvey's one as a girl, right, one is a boy, bear with me, I know the entire storyline, but I am wondering about the different eggs, could that mean there could be more then one Harvey?
There is at least nine or ten eggs.
inner pumice
The eggs are parrot eggs right?
copper hawk
Yeah, but you know that birds can lay more than one egg ?
past wren
yes parrot black eggs.
I know that for a long time, I am starting to think, the eggs hatched.
copper hawk
You really have a unique view of this series
inner pumice
Parrot eggs are white
past wren
In the game, they are black with white dots, right.. Well bear with me, what if many of them did hatched, and we cannot see the egg shells, because permature cause black cubes.
copper hawk
@inner pumice
Don't search for real life logic in here
we used 3 different methods of calculations and found out that Albert (the tallest male Vanderboom) is actually just a meter tall
inner pumice
... based on what?
past wren
Well scroll up, he measured in pixles.
copper hawk
Based on
- the ovary of Ida
- the heart of William
- the canon height of Mr. Deer
past wren
I think was it yesterday or day before. Right RED?
copper hawk
Yeah, it was
copper hawk
We have the canon height of all the Hotel guests, in fact
inner pumice
Where?
copper hawk
I don't have the exact tweet
but if you search for any guest in the Rusty Lake wiki, you can find the informations in the "Trivia" section
past wren
Hang on, I am on twitter and I can pull up a link. Give me a moment.
copper hawk
but organs are roughly the same size, no matter the person @inner pumice
copper hawk
yeah, it changes, but there is a standard margin
inner pumice
I'm pretty sure the black speckled eggs are uniuque to Harvey(s)
copper hawk
And I'm pretty sure there is only one Harvey
inner pumice
HC Harvey is trans
copper hawk
because eggs can only hatch if there is another bird to... fertilise them... before they're layed
And at this point, they would've showed us the "father"
inner pumice
I'm pretty sure birds fertilize in-womb
copper hawk
^^
past wren
Yes.. . ... But...
What if...
Harvey was a symbol of rebirth, as it was early shadowed in Seasons?
inner pumice
He's still trans. He lays eggs.
past wren
What game, I just keep seeing fan art this or that...
past wren
Yes but what if.. Well there is a few fan arts of where Harvey is twin sisters in an anime esquete style.
inner pumice
Show meh
past wren
Its on twitter. I was just there. Hang on...
past wren
Could of sworn I have seen it yesterday, in the bottom of their twitter page...
past wren
I am wondering if Mr. Crow is really a wise old geezer sorry about the pun but the Crow is flapping its beak.
deep terrace
an egg
get this
is a sign
wait for it
of the UNIVERSE
mossy girder
@copper hawk late to the party, but yeah, Mortis Ghost is a frenchie :D
mossy girder
Yeah, well ahah. French speaking, I should have said.
copper hawk
^^
mossy girder
We’re part of the same small community of Street Fighter 3rd Strike player :3
past wren
I retired from Street Fighter 3rd Strike many moons ago, I retired and put my 12 cos-play on the other side, of Rusty Lake hotel, I climbed out of the eggshells.. Don't ya know, egg shaped homes are the clique?
red wave
but who is that bird that appears in harvey box that helps Harvey?
past wren
That is harvey
No wait, Mrs. Piegeon.
I am abseolutely is the peigeon.
You are not talking about Adleous?
@red wave I am right 😃 http://rusty-lake.wikia.com/wiki/Mrs._Pigeon
past wren
Because she was a soul in Seasons, Laura fished her out, she was alive in Harvey's box.
That is why, ergo friends help out one another.
I typed this out a few weeks ago, red and myself got into a serious discussion of it too @red wave
past wren
Now..... who the heck is the woodpecker of paradise?
copper hawk
it's just a woodpecker
copper hawk
Exactly
past wren
In my mind still I call "Bob" hill .. Bobby hill from king of the hill hahahah XD
Oh boy, So Rose has Dale / Laura? That is a doozy.
past wren
Another thing, is the fish negitive towards Laura, and why?
past wren
What if the entire Rusty Lake, was a Dr. House M.M.D. lost season hahaha 😄
edgy garden
On the first day of Christmas my true love gave to me, a mysterious cocktail as you'll see.
Said Mr. Owl
I guess
spice frigate
I mean, It's quite obvious due to Paradox ending and the cocktail itself
or I should say, Paradox true secret ending
edgy garden
Ha
I wonder whose story the next rustylake game will cover
Maybe Dale? Or other people
spice frigate
I wish we could see our dear vanderbooms again
I mean, Laura is Vanderboom but I meant mostly others XD
edgy garden
I'm not sure if the next game is premium.
Maybe it's a cube escape game
Not rusty lake
If so, I want them to show other people's stories
I don't want this wonderful series to end
spice frigate
It won't end yet, so we still got some time to enjoy it
but what is beautiful, got to end one day
we could always hope for a spin-off
💦 💦
ancient blade
Rusty Lake exclusive games seem to have a pattern of retelling the past rather than moving on with the future (Hotel being a backstory on how the corrupted souls become how they are, Roots being a backstory on Laura and Mr. Crow, and Paradise being a backstory of Jakob or Mr. Owl). So, guessing by the pattern, I think RL is going for a Cube Escape game next since I can't see any more things to have a backstory on (Harvey, mayhaps?); but the possibility remains that it'd be an exclusive...
edgy garden
That's very interesting
🤔
On the second day of the Christmas
My true love gave to me
A corrupted soul who wants to be free.
Mr. Owl said.
And look
Z?
Z
Not the 
copper hawk
The answer is actually simpler than you'd think
and there is no way to brute force it for now
bold owl
So I'd guess the eye means the circle with the dot in the middle?
spice frigate
I just realized, JUST realized that
copper hawk
I don't even know why I'm helping, since no one called
Oh well
I need a break from RL, but they're making it really hard for me right now x)
spice frigate
We only have two code pieces atm. I guess we should wait for more
past wren
ME too Red, i just need a break from it.
Way too many corrupted souls to count, on the tree of bloody christmas.
Besides I already know the code. But I will wait until the other posts become more ready anyways, I am that amazing 😄
spice frigate
Tbh, we should wait till update
past wren
Z is an ancient letter meaning of not the end, but nearly the midst of the story, 😃
past wren
Why was Bob such a one timer, come now, there has to be a backstory to him, more then theater.
vague imp
i think the fact that we saw his full name in a book was a hint we might see him again somehow
exotic dew
Wait code?
exotic dew
There’s a code?
copper hawk
there are two
there will be 5 videos
with a piece of both code inside each of them
one of them is a classic 5 symbol code
the second one...
exotic dew
A code for the box in paradox?
copper hawk
"My true love gave to me"
I won't say more
ok, I'll say 1 more thing
every item presented in the videos have 2 things in common
but I won't say what
exotic dew
Where can I find the videos?
exotic dew
This is gonna be interesting
south sparrow
I wonder if the code is gonna work with chapter one or chapter two?
south sparrow
Z does exist. I think it’s either a circle or a triangle symbol that doesn’t exist in chapter one.
exotic dew
Its the triangle with the line through it that doesnt exist in chapter 1
ancient blade
A puzzle? This is the best Christmas gift ever...
spice frigate
Z isn't in Chapter 2, I checked it
in Chapter 2 we have triangle with dot and this umbrella symbol
so the code (that will be in the next update) would work only in chapter 1, due to "Z" being the day two code piece
spice frigate
hmm...
past wren
I still have a few thousand questions of the game.
I keep wondering if why the knife more often then pistol?
vague imp
It looks more spooky, I suppose
Like slashers movies
But we use more knives than pistols in the game, maybe this is just because we can't slice a fish with a pistol
past wren
okay,, so do we see Dale's birth?
vague imp
In RL games ?
past wren
yeah just wondering, or did we just assumed nothing happen pre birthday.
vague imp
We know his date of birth, but we know nothing about it
But it could be nice, I can't imagine Dale with a totally normal and boring childhood
true true
past wren
And how did he become a cop though? Was that ever remotely mentioned?
vague imp
Nope
hollow raptor
probably because his parents were murdered?
vague imp
i think (speculation btw) he became a cop bcs his parents were killed..
But this is quite a plothole, I don't think his parents' murder is the only reason he became a cop
past wren
Did they only show one corrupted soul at a time, or was there multipule to start with?
vague imp
We see 5 souls in a row in Hotel
past wren
I would say something not so harsh, I do not want to use such a harsh word as "n-ers" Vevarda
vague imp
Was just the title of the novel, but ok
past wren
If there is a game out there, i would not like it because of the title or even itself.
Nove? What is that?
vague imp
Sorry for the missing "l"
past wren
oh okay.
I am extra careful of my words in chats like these, also in different forms of the past, present, and yet to become.
north pasture
y’all I don’t know crap about Albert but he has INCREDIBLE goth energy
if rusty lake was set in modern times, he’d wear eyeliner
copper hawk
He has more of a psychopathic serial killer energy, since... that's what he is
He doesn't understand social interactions because of a childhood trauma
He directly kills his brother and his brother's wife out of revenge and jealousy
(again, lack of understanding of social interactions, he could've killed Samuel and keep Ida for himself...)
He kidnaps his own nephew to make his sister suffer
He indirectly kills her and his mother
He tortures Frank during his whole life
He creates a daughter from Ida's corpse
He wears a goddamn mask, for crying out loud !
And if you look at the way he kills his siblings...
He takes away the most precious thing Emma possessed, and he disfigures Samuel
He does to them what they did to him as a kid
It's purely a sick revenge
past wren
psychopathic serial killer energy oh like... A few thousand of them.
What type of energy does Caroline has though, get like a grandmother type of feel to her.
copper hawk
the Eilander have more of a isolated weirdos cult members vibe
past wren
So we are dealing with three families, who is a giant freak show of Tim Burton rejected ideas?
copper hawk
Basically yeah
past wren
So Bigfish into Nightmare Before Chirstmas, tied into Corpse Bride, tied into James and the Giant peach, tied into Family Dog.
Stir until black egg, crow, colorful cubes, mixologist, while seeking professional help?
and they call me crazy when dipping into world wide web, I show thee. buwaha.
past wren
Ya know when you first strike a match,forests get deteratited before your eyes.. thinking of the new youtube clip.
wind depot
(i have no idea where to post so I'm posting it here.) I keep having this nightmare where I'll wake up inside a cave covered in ice on the wall are weird markings. When i leave the cave i see laura, mister crow, mister owl and a corrupted soul standing in a rectangle when i try to approach them this weird symbol will start to cover my view and I'll here mister crow say: "what you seek is not what you need" and that's when i wake up. Does this dream mean something or am i just crazy?
inner pumice
It means you should play more or less rusty lake
spice frigate
at least it's better dream than that one I had today
I was doing fortnite dances in my sisters room for no reason
copper hawk
It can mean something, most dreams are inner thoughts that express themselves, especially recurrent dreams, with things that the brain have access in a more or less short term memory (what you saw during the day), or what the brain has an easiest access to (repetitions over a short period of time)
So what Mr. Owl says can have an actual meaning
@wind depot
Could you draw the symbol you talked about ?
wind depot
I can but i I'd have to wait till morning since it's the middle of the night.
past wren
So that is why I get nightmares of my side occupation, thank you red. no wonder. I keep thinking of like it being under a river of blood or something like that, something like amongst the lines of Rusty Lake.
chrome orbit
Cool. I didn't know that. Maybe that's why I keep having nightmares about school. Huh.
past wren
The human brain, not even scientist knows. It is the ultimate mystery to human kind.
copper hawk
We know a fair amount of things on it
we know how it globally works
what zones are connected to what
what they do
what they sense
how information travels
how some information is stored
how reflexes work
etc, etc
the real problem is that while we know the zones and the algorithm
we basically don't know the paths, because it changes with every single human being
since the paths are created based on past experiences
and the brain loves shortcuts, really it loves that
past wren
Paths and doorways, the mind always leave open, to something brand new, we forget it when sleeping.
copper hawk
If I tell you :
"Zebu meat in Africa has a high probability of giving cancer"
Your brain will take many shortcuts to not have to think about that
"I don't live in Africa"
"I don't know what a zebu is"
"I'm vegan"
"It's just a probability"
"It only happens to others"
past wren
If I tell you many lies throughout the day, what ones will you remember the most?
copper hawk
it speeds the process of analyzing, and saves memory
It depends on the ones that are the most believable, relatable, and repeated
past wren
then, what is a lie, and what is the truth. Could you tell me if i am happy? OR sad, only based on my facial?
Maybe that is why Paradox was super complex, it was in all three of the brains, we do not know what is going through the minds of Dale, Laura, Harvey, or anything. WE all assumed we knew him after paradise occured.
copper hawk
the truth is relative, nothing is "true", it's only true based on a perspective
and even if you tell me that maths are objectively true, well they are, in the perspective that there is no god that can mess with our world's physic laws at any given moment
past wren
Even the biggest three words, "You, adore, I" Seems fake, but it gives us some drug of knowing that.
What is love?
copper hawk
baby don't hurt me
manic glade
No more
copper hawk
Love is a chemical in your brain that life chose to give you because the way natural selection works, reproduction is a self-feeding loop
past wren
Do we instinctily follow the blind of getting into something deep, with someone without knowing them, thinking way back around oh on Birthday game, set in 1939, did Dale's Parents know how they are going to make love?
copper hawk
Science is depressing, actually
past wren
Natural Selection, in order to keep the monsters at bay.
Science is the prozac of the entire globe, sure it is there for a reason, but in the end, we all seen the end of Roots.
You just end up with useless empty bottles of glass, tree, fish, the entire world in the pocket corner of the feilds.
*feilds
Anyways not to get off topic at all, thinking if dale has control of everything, down to the chess . Would they see Laura into a newer light?
wind depot
@copper hawk
copper hawk
huh
wind depot
That's the symbol i keep seeing
copper hawk
Does it mean something to you ?
wind depot
No I've never seen it before
wind depot
yes since once i left the cage and spotted the rectangle with Laura, mr owl, mr crow and the soul that symbol started to cover my vison
wind depot
well i just wanted to share the dream cuz 4 rusty lake characters where in it. i don't think it means something since this was only the second time it happened but it still has me baffled. i wish i could just show you guys the dream but i can't
vague imp
"Recurring dreams usually mean there is something in your life you've not acknowledged that is causing stress of some sort"
native vortex
whats the link between dale and laura i wonder
hollow raptor
he got her murder case assigned as a detective
and was maybe chosen as a successor to Mr owl before this, but this is unclear
native vortex
i felt like he knows him more than that
copper hawk
Well
We know Laura is Aldous's great great daughter
and everything points to Aldous being Dale's grandad
so they're cousins
native vortex
how do things point that aldous is dales granddad
copper hawk
well, first of all, it's the exact same character design
spice frigate
Let me try to get that Image i did for that
copper hawk
second, he has Mr. Pheasant's gun
copper hawk
and we know Harvey is a friend of the family
since he sent a lettre to little Dale for his birthday
and because he told us that Dale was born in Roots
copper hawk
the level of the stars
when Franks gets the lettre his mother sent to him
if you clic on Harvey 5 times, you have Dale's birth date
native vortex
damn
spice frigate
Found it
copper hawk
thanks
spice frigate
np ^^
copper hawk
right
also it means that he's Dale's mother's father
because otherwise, he'd be a Vanderboom, and not a Vandermeer
unreal pulsar
So a Vandermeer married a Vanderboom? 😛
copper hawk
exactly
and there is no direct proof of that, but there is a chance that the Mill lady is Dale's grandmother
or at least, it's his step grandmother
now there is no obvious link between the Eilander and the Vanderboom except a professional one
hollow raptor
not proven yet, but a theory that is very much possible and we should keep in back of our minds
so it is very much possible that dale and laura are related, but he does not seem to know (or at least remember) her as a member of family
copper hawk
but we know Mrs. Pheasant built the chappel and had an unborn child
well in any way, Aldous faked his death, so obviously, even if it is true, he wouldn't tell Dale
and he most likely did a while back
because the way the narrator talks about it, William was thought to be the last one alive
native vortex
id def like to know more about dales family and roots
steady briar
does the corrupted souls speak backword or is it just gibberish?
north pasture
are the corrupted souls the ones on the phone? That always confuses me
Cause I think the voice actor said it, reversed it, then said it in reverse
And reversed that
To have the weird effect
steady briar
spice frigate
I've done that serval times and I tell ya, it's pretty fun doing that
but it's quite hard to make words sound closest as possible
north pasture
HEY SO
IM PLAYING ROOTS
HHEY ALBERT????? HEY ALBERT??
he got a jar of HWAT NOW
north pasture
ALBERT
manic glade
It’s (most likely) a reference to the talking of some of the beings in Twin Peaks
Where the actors said their lines backwards and then the scenes were reversed
copper hawk
it depends on which corrupted soul we're talking about
and which voices on the phone
for the ones in Seasons, it's Aldous, and he speaks that way because his mouth is sawed shut
for Caroline, it's recorded in reverse just for the effect, but the syllables are in the right order, just like Aldous
and I don't recall another soul talking
oh yeah, in the Mill, it's not Laura's corrupted body talking, but Aldous
repeating the same things he told her in the phone to calm her down
it's even possible that Seasons as a series of memories actually happens after the Mill, and the phone is just those words haunting her
north pasture
YYEAH YEAH I THOUGHT IT WAS HIM
I was just confused bc he never talks like that otherwise, I forgot his mouth was sewn shut
north pasture
WAIT
THE WIKI SAYS THAT IDA IS ROSES BIOLOGICAL MOTHER
thaTS WHY SHE HAS THE RED HAIR
i was WONDERING where he got the egg
copper hawk
and in the level before, with the card game, we know Albert is the Devil, so he always lies
And one if his cards says "I don't love Ida"
- he already has her picture on him
spice frigate
just Albert then
copper hawk
He's a psychopath, so... kinda poor Albert ?
And I mean it in the psychological way
he's a true psychopath
he doesn't understand human interactions
and so, it drives him to extremes
getting revenge on his siblings for something they did to him as a kid
doing to them what they did to him, but in a more extreme way
stealing something precious from Emma, and disfiguring Samuel
and because of his lack of understanding, he knows he'll never be able to have Ida for himself
so he kills her to have a baby with her corpse
north pasture
guess who LEGALLY has to write a happy modern au cause!!!!! It’s what they DESERVE!!!!
vague imp
do it
copper hawk
oh my god
spice frigate
I've always had Headcannon that Frank didn't liked to see animals being hurt
not that he's vegetarian, he eats meat... just seeing animals being in pain isn't for him
plus he likes nature in my HC so
north pasture
is Ida pronounced Eye-Duh or Eee-Duh?
copper hawk
such as autism and others
spice frigate
"Eye-Duh"
north pasture
Cause Eye-Duh would be funny cAUSE HER EYE GETS SACRIFIED
vague imp
and well.You would be psychically weaker also..
copper hawk
so that means...
that the wine bottle is actually responsible for making Albert a psychopath
.-.
spice frigate
"We need to give Albert something to drink"
"Hmmm... what about wine?"
"What"
"Too late, I already gave it to him"
copper hawk
but that explains so much
north pasture
What year is The Mill set in?
cause I’m trying to calculate Laura’s age out of curiosity, cause Roots tells us she was born in 1935
vague imp
1972?
north pasture
oh FRICK
wait what year did she die???
WAIT
THAT MEANS DALE WAS A DETECTIVE DURRING THE DISCO PHASE
vague imp
yeah ik..XD
north pasture
now I’m imagining Dale in bell bottoms
vague imp
i always pictured him wearing a leather jacket in his youth..
north pasture
oh you KNOW he had a greaser phase
bold owl
I mean
north pasture
If I did my math right, Laura was 36 when she died (which seems to add up)
north pasture
CALLED IT
north pasture
Dale rides a MOTERCYCLE and those are the FACTS
copper hawk
Laura died in 1971
north pasture
yah that makes her 36!!
Dale’s ninth birthday was in 1939, so he was born in 1930, making him 41 in the game (which is around where I guessed he’d bc)
ALDOUS IS 172
HES SO OLD AND CRUSTY IM WEEPING
north pasture
Paradox reveals he was born in 1799 in his file!!! And The Mill/Case 23/many games take place in 1971-1972, which I believe to be the ‘present’
So that makes him 172-173, if you count his human years
copper hawk
huh
that's interesting
I mean, his age doesn't really matter since he is immort-
1799
wow...
uh
ok
so
that's
interesting at least
hnnnnnnnnnn
that means
since he made the elixir with his brother
in 1859
he was
60
1799, 1799, 1799...
fuck
does that mean...
OH MY FUCKING GOD
ALDOUS IS ELIZABETH'S SON !!!
vague imp
?
steady briar
woah
copper hawk
WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON HERE
vague imp
Where did you come up with that..?
vague imp
🤔
copper hawk
so it makes sense
we also know that Mrs. pheasant is Elizabeth
and that she had a child
vague imp
oh you mean the lady of the lake and Mrs.Pheasant are the same?
copper hawk
yes
i mean no
the Lady of the Lake is Caroline
but the actress that plays the Lady of the Lake is Elizabeth
vague imp
oh yeah makes sense..
copper hawk
native vortex
HSGSHSUAAO
dreamy dawn
KEK
ancient blade
Lmao
bold owl
Oh dear
copper hawk
I don't have access to my graph
But here's a new version of the family tree
Margaret
------|-----
| |
Gerald Nicholas ----|---- Caroline
|--------------|--------------|
Jakob David Elizabeth
|
|--------------|
Mill --|-- Aldous William
|------------|
| James --|-- Mary
| |-------|-----------------|
Dad-|-Mom Emma Samuel-|-Ida-|-Albert
| | |--- |
Dale Frank Léonard Rose
|
Laura
ancient blade
I could sketch one out rn if you'd want...
copper hawk
ancient blade
and Aldous?
copper hawk
Idk, she married a Vanderboom after Paradise
I just have to modify that graph so that Elizabeth is Aldous and William's mother
But we know she had at least one baby
And Aldous was born only 3 years after Paradise
So...
ancient blade
Hm... Also, how do we know again that Elizabeth was married to a Vanderboom? I don't really remember anything suggesting that...
vague imp
well yes..implied
copper hawk
So if it's Aldous, then she married a Vanderbom
ancient blade
shuffles through notes
How in the world did I miss this?
vague imp
In theatre (correct me if im wrong) there is a fetus in the toilet..
copper hawk
But it would explain how Aldous and Jakob met, they're cousins
Why Jakob gave him the recipe for the elixir from his mother
It's family so he trusts him
Why Aldous stole Mrs. Pheasant's pistol
It's his mother's
Other little things like that
ancient blade
Hm... Explains quite a lot...
copper hawk
In theatre there is a fetus, and in the chapel there is that very same fetus, with all the other symbols that we saw in that level of theatre, and a pheasant skull
vague imp
hmmm
Well im half sold, if you get me still il take this a a theory until its proven (if it ever is) that the Vanderbooms and Eilanders are well..related in a way..
copper hawk
The thing is, all the Rusty Lake story is centered around the struggles for power of a family
It's always about family
William and Aldous with the Vanderboom
Caroline and Jakob with the Eilander
Mr. Owl with the guests
Dale and his parents
If everyone in related, then the message is stronger
Dale and Laura
Mr. Crow and Dale
Aldous David and the Vandermeer
Etc etc etc
Literally Birthday would be about Aldous's uncle killing his last descendants, the ones he wants to protect after he sacrificed the rest of his family for his brother, because he wants to have a pistol that used to be his mother's, and that killed her, because of him his other uncle and his best friend
THAT'S DARK
And it would make a lot of sense in this universe
ancient blade
As long as it's dark, it's Rusty Lake.
copper hawk
X)
ancient blade
The irony of the situation is that I'm using the font 'Birds of Paradise' for the Eilanders... I love it.
I have zero idea why I'm doing this...
vague imp
Atleast its doing something..?
ancient blade
Yeah...
vague imp
im staring at "talking" stone for 3 hours by now..
ancient blade
Also, in Hotel, Mr. Crow would literally be an accomplice killing his mother, uncle, grandfather, granduncle, and grandmother, right?
vague imp
yes
ancient blade
nice
inner pumice
Also Harvet
languid lantern
Liz is mother to mister grow?
copper hawk
most likely, yes
steady briar
nice
north pasture
waIT DALES MOTHER WAS A VANDERBOOM
WH
I’m not finished with Paradise yet so I’m just starting to but together all the pieces
ancient blade
Dale's Gandpa was Mr. Crow...
north pasture
WH
ancient blade
Since, Dale is not a Vanderboom, the mother has to be a Vanderboom.
north pasture
IM YELLING,,,RUSTY LAKE,,,,
north pasture
copper hawk
Yeah, that's it @ancient blade
copper hawk
ah
Now, I'm saying on the graph that the woman from the Mill is Jame's mother
that's not true
there's no way she's that old
but she can be Dale's grandmother
inner pumice
Vandermeer vs Vanderboom?
copper hawk
Vandermeer are Vanderboom's descendants
copper hawk
oh god
ancient blade
Also, since they're all related... Dale is Laura's uncle...
So are the ships basically... Uhmm... Yeah...?
dreamy dawn
anyone who ships rusty lake is from alabama
copper hawk
they're technically cousins
and yeah, it's technically incest
but not legally
it's considered far enough in the family tree to be legal
manic glade
Depending on where you are
copper hawk
I think in most countries it's legal
ancient blade
Thankfully.
manic glade
In a lot of them, yeah
Not everywhere in the US though, fun fact
But yes it is legal in Alabama
copper hawk
in Canada, cousins are safe
and you know where I'm going, so trigger alert
since there is a high chance this takes place in Canada, then we're all good
the law states that incest is only sexual relationships between someone and "their father, mother, child, brother, sister, grand father, grand mother, or grand child, depending on the case"
so you can ship them with no worries
I don't know about Netherlands, since it's the second best location
inner pumice
spice frigate
Gosh, I wondered who pinged me
welp, I guess so
grizzled bluff
Consensual incest between adults is legal in the Netherlands.[6] Marriage is forbidden between ancestors and descendants or between siblings, although the Minister of Justice may grant dispensation in the case of siblings by adoption. Marriage is also forbidden between blood relations of the third and fourth degree, unless both partners have signed a declaration of consent. (Dutch civil law book 1, articles 41 and 42.[75])
north pasture
dale and Laura are just buddies ok!!!! I just want them to be friends
spice frigate
Ikr, I am quite hyped about this like J EE Z
manic glade
Oh my
edgy garden
OH MY LAKE
manic glade
And don’t forget the new game with different gameplay
manic glade
manic glade
Nope
spice frigate
Oh my, I completely forgot about that
but dang... I'm so hyped for it
bold owl
Hey Rusty Lake, if you wanna hire a Unity game designer/programmer hmu fam 👅
copper hawk
I hope I won't have to explain this anymore, now...
vague imp
OOF
copper hawk
The number of people that thought Paradox was the last game when there is no answers and a "to be continued" ending...
It's mindblowing
native vortex
NEW GAME??????
native vortex
KSJSJSNANAKAA A IS THIS THE REAL LIFE
spice frigate
yes it is
spice frigate
Tbh, I wonder how much the new UI and gameplay will be... outstanding(? I think it's the right word) than the regular we always had
copper hawk
well, obviously it won't be a classic point & clic anymore
But still with Rusty Lake puzzles
I guess something more along the lines of Year Walk ?
I mean they already used the forest, so why not ?
Or maybe DEVICE 6
that would be awesome
north pasture
IM YELLING ARE WE GETTING CUPE ESCAPE CAVEMEN
spice frigate
@north pasture I always get reminded of how I called Frank a Caveman because I played The Cave before I seen Roots
bold owl
Cube Escape: Ooga Booga
north pasture
DNSKFKF
spice frigate
Me touch lake
manic glade
I imagine they won't abandon it entirely but they have said they want to branch out a bit
copper hawk
the 3d game will be a console game so it'll have to lose some of the point & clic properties
the OTHER game will change A LOT and most likely won't be a point & clic anymore
north pasture
I FINALLY FINISHED PARADISE AND IM YELLING
native vortex
native vortex
console game?? my broke ass is destroyed
ancient blade
Why are they switching to console though? They have the majority of their fanbase reside in mobile and now they're just moving away... I don't get the reasoning...
copper hawk
Because they want money and recognition .-.
and news fans
the old fans will follow, no problem with that
and I don't think they'll make it a console exclusive either
ancient blade
Thank god.
copper hawk
think about it more like Undertale
ancient blade
Yeah... I was worried that they'll make it console-exclusive...
(Because I don't have a console, at all...)
copper hawk
(ah)
ancient blade
The closest things I have as a consoles are 2 dead Gameboys and a broken PSP.
ancient blade
(Donate it to me)
ancient blade
Nah, I was just kidding about that... I would barely have anytime to play on it, probably...
copper hawk
heh
ancient blade
But, I'd be sad if it is actually console exclusive...
Actually, if it becomes 3D... Would it just feel like another one of "The Room" games?
ancient blade
Yeah...
Tbh The Room and Rusty Lake are the two leading puzzle series-es in mobile gaming...
spice frigate
I have only one console - 2DS
But I might start saving money for Switch one day being honest
native vortex
I have no consoles lol
north pasture
I’m rewatching the green vial secret ending, could someone explain exactly what happened? I am,,,,confuzzled
spice frigate
In short: Green vial killed him
but I think it was the elixir, that's why
Sorry if I got something wrong, I am sick and I can't really think much
north pasture
ohhhh ok!
WAIT
MR OWL ISNT WILLIAM
I THOUGHT HE WAS ALSO MR OWL THATS JAKOB
MY LIFE?? IS A LIE??????
spice frigate
William is now Laura, Jakob is now Mr.Owl and Aldous is Mr.Crow
But I get it, how you mismatch stuff, it also happens to me ^^
spice frigate
Female Human into Bird - nope, at least not yet (If RL ever plans to do that so?)
but if only bird ones, I can only think of Ms. Pheasant and Mrs. Pigeon
spice frigate
Also towards Harvey Subject
Harvey seems to be Female, but they're named with male name
but people headcannon that they're androgynous (if Harvey was in human form)
But also, this isn't my first time seeing animal named by female/male name
for example, one of my acquaintances has or had a rabbit, and they named them with male name
But months later it was proven the rabbit was Female, but they still sticked with the male name
inner pumice
So... what are the rules around this in english mythos?
Also Harvey keeps the male name and clothes.
vague imp
Its a parrot who cares
inner pumice
Me
hollow raptor
it's a funny topic to goof around about 😄
vague imp
well yes
inner pumice
Also I be trans
vague imp
i come from a country that uses them/they (mostly) so i kinda find it well huh
inner pumice
Ah
hollow raptor
sadly my language (german) doesn't really have a gender neutral pronome for people, only for things
inner pumice
Use the collective pronoun
vague imp
oh well go on then im just saying you know i kinda find this whole gender thing confusing
hollow raptor
in german language there are three singular pronouns "er, sie, es" ("he, she, it"), and god knows why, the plural gender neutral equivalent of "they" is "sie", which is exactly the same as the female singular pronoun
vague imp
ah
hollow raptor
german is a complicated language lol
inner pumice
I only know like
hollow raptor
also i just noticed your profile pic is animated and it's cool
hollow raptor
haha honestly that's the only german word you need to know
actually it's a combination of "verdammt" and "damn it" (which means the same), so it's half english and half german 😄
hollow raptor
the holy word
inner pumice
It's a c h e s s t e r m
copper hawk
Just wanted to put that in here
It's a really quick categorisation, like Bob isn't a Vanderboom, and Dale's mom is
but it'll be ugly, and nobody really cares
north pasture
;00000
this puts SO MUCH TOGETHER THANK U
wait how do we know that Elizabeth gave birth to William and Aldous?
vague imp
We dont, i think its just speculation..?
copper hawk
it's a theory
vague imp
so speculation
copper hawk
I have proofs, it's not just speculations
north pasture
ohhhhhh ok
vague imp
I see that im just saying like..im not just really buying it
copper hawk
Speculations, you have nothing really backing it up
theory, you have proofs that all point to it
north pasture
it’s a cool theory!! helps tie up some loose ends
vague imp
Well yes i guess if you word it like that yes i guess youre right.
So believe what you believe i guess, but anyways i wonder what the next rl game will look like..since you know
they said it would be different
copper hawk
yeah .-.
north pasture
y’all I’m SO exited for the BC rusty lake game
cause maybe it’ll show us HOW the lake gained power in the first place (weather it was from magic, maybe aliens? or just some wack occult stuff)
copper hawk
I think the Lake is at least partly Caroline
vague imp
should be really taking this conversation here but anyways
Huh oh yeah in theatre..completely forgot about that..
copper hawk
@ancient blade
ancient blade
Six years is still six years... Though, I guess I'm focusing on the minutiae of things...
Damn, I just guessed the spelling and it's actually correct... Nice one, Redd...
(Then I forgot I'm actually Redette...)
What are the other clues that point to Northern America?
copper hawk
ancient blade
I wonder how wild "Albert is a meter tall" sounds in there...
Though... I'm convinced... It's pretty damn convincing and you have another proof to put in there, I guess...
copper hawk
@vague imp
I think I have the argument that'll sell you the family theory
Laura has a painting of Caroline
Of course it was inherited
So why would Jakob give it to Aldous ?
Because it's the logical heir of the family
copper hawk
x)
vague imp
i had a question; why does Laura appear in most of the Rusty Lake games?
bcs she is the main character pretty much
vague imp
if im correct Paradise is the only game where Laura isnt the main focus..
stray token
Birthday too ?
spice frigate
what about Hotel? I think Hotel also doesn't have Laura as main focus
vague imp
oh yeah and Hotel..
stray token
Aaaand maybe The cave, but my memories are blurry on that one
vague imp
Laura is seen in the cave..XD
dreamy dawn
ok so we believe that birthday, theater, and paradox are all dale in the machine right?
if that's the case what games do you guys think laura experiences in the machine?
my guess would be seasons
seasons is just a giant collection of all the things that appeared in her memories when they were being extracted by crow in the mill
the pills, the murder, the corrupted souls,
etc
native vortex
and maybe the lake?
native vortex
why not?
dreamy dawn
no i think it's possible, it just doesn't have all the pills and visuals of laura being murdered like seasons had
which is why i say it's less on the nose
native vortex
ah damn ur right
hollow raptor
well it DOES have two endings in which she either survives or dies, kinda like Dale in Paradox...so it could be her reliving the same scenario multiple times, too
vague imp
or
both endings are in alt universes
one where she OOFs
the other one she survives.
hollow raptor
that's a possible solution, too
dreamy dawn
oh god please don't bring alt universes to rusty lake
it's confusing enough
i don't want this call of duty zombies timeline
hollow raptor
true xD
vague imp
but thats the only way it makes sense..
i mean paradox did pretty much ...show alt universes..
hollow raptor
i thought it showed dale stuck in a circle trying to get out but only remembering small fragments until he found the way out?
dreamy dawn
him being hooked up to the machine is different though
alternate universes means the universes are alternate
not just what dale is seeing
the machine i assume doesn't put dale in alternate universes
just messes him up
dreamy dawn
speaking of alternate universes and paradox
i just realized how the lake is similar
with two paths laura can take
and being able to reset what choices she made
if we're going with the whole laura is also seeing stuff in the machine
thing
north pasture
y’all I’m rlly confused cause
The lake doesn’t seem to have water in it??? Whenever ur at the bottom?? But then Laura can fish in it and it can freeze like water and Dale walks in it at the end of Paradox
where does the water stop and air begin???
I’d check The Cave submarine but the windows don’t show anything when ur near the surface? ?? ?
north pasture
Like pretend I’m Dale, and I jump into the lake and just keep walking, would he just sink down slowly and then suddenly start falling through air?? Is it more gradual than that?
cause Mr. Crow swims(?) to the room with The Machine and hes pretty deep
copper hawk
Actually, there is water at the bottom, but somehow, you can breathe in it
Maybe an excess of oxygen created by the trees
vague imp
But then why would Mr.Owl need a diving suit?
spice frigate
I might sound wrong but, maybe he wanted to swim in that part of the cave we used cube submarine?
I mean, come on... why would we use submarine too?
spice frigate
Don't remind me of my friend saying "Die" when Mr.Owl asked for help
north pasture
:00 oh I never thought of that!!
do u think dale opened the door from the paradox room into the forest and was hit with a wave of water but like??? It was Good Water and he was fine???
that must have been RLLY weird
north pasture
NOW I GOTTA DRAW LAURA UNDERWATER WITH HER HAIR ALL WOOSHIE
dreamy dawn
i doubt it
cause not only was dale not wet during that entire paradox scene
but after running out of the forest he ended up on a beach
aka above water
the forest wasn't literally inside the lake at all
i assume
north pasture
yah that was Wack
buT it looked like the lake bottom and had the corrupted souls of some of the Hotel cast
dreamy dawn
well i can't answer that
maybe dale went through the bottom of the lake and ended up in Rusty Lake: China
vague imp
wheeze
north pasture
I feel like we’re missing a puzzle piece between Birthday/Theatre and Paradox
NSKFLALGLLDG
or: do u think the Paradox room has been filled with water this whole time? and that’s why there’s no change when Dale opens the door
dreamy dawn
there literally could not have been water in that room
vague imp
Also l loved the small callback to the cop in case 23..
dreamy dawn
even disregarding all the things like the paper being not messed up and working and the tv not electrocuting dale to death
mr. crow asks for cups of coffee
which would be impossible to pour if his glass and everything surrounding him was water
vague imp
Plus if there was water wouldnt everything be floating..?
dreamy dawn
and the water in the jars
that you use to get that one floaty to go up in that one alcohol bottle
unless this is advanced water we're using
water that acts like water inside water
vague imp
"Advanced water"
north pasture
oh yeAh DJSKFK
copper hawk
Ok, so
FIRST, Mr. Owl needed the suit because he dived from the top, which acts like normal water
north pasture
oh yeah tru tru
Ya I was gonna say, can you breathe more and more of it as you go down?
copper hawk
SECOND, Paradox is all in Dale's mind, he isn't in an actual room at the bottom of the lake, otherwise, it wouldn't make sense that he'd access the beach of the lake by walking straight ahead in a forest that's supposed to be at the bottom of it...