because it's supposed to be a real crow head
#🤔｜theories
copper hawk
in theory
but this one is made in cheap plastic
and it's even closer to a fox than a rabbit, to me .-.
It is full of symbolism
except that this part is a flash back, so there are more things we can take for granted
especially since we have the first part of Birthday to confirm most of it
languid lantern
I am going to main the animals are different people but share the same souls of the old islanders family
plucky swallow
hey @copper hawk is there a fast way to skip to the sliding rooms puzzle in Paradox?
you have to get the picture peices I know to open the cupboard
the books I can remember
copper hawk
nope, there's no way
the only way to activate the first trigger to continue the game, wether in chapter 1 or 2, is by completing the pieces, including the one inside the two sliding boxes
plucky swallow
ok, thanks
past wren
Stilts could be a posiblity of David as a 9yo of having stilts and also great magic back then, since he already got the blue cube and bend time itself to save his family.....
copper hawk
no, that's purely part of the memory, they're all dead, and no one saved them
past wren
Ah. Even though I just finished Birthday i should of knew that.
I was dipping into the whole "no eyes" thing into the white rabbit mask. Maybe it was covered by a mask, of where you cannot see their face.
copper hawk
the thing is, the Lake is changing Dale's memories for... whatever reason
and it decided to help Dale "fight back" the killer
by killing him in his mind
though it didn't change anything in real life
past wren
So the last black cube was just like inception? A dream within a dream then?
Case 23 highlights it in the entire game, i think.
copper hawk
no, case 23 is legit in every way, what you see is what happens (if you don't count the weird things like a beard transforming into a baby crow...)
past wren
Right now, I am playing Case 23, it is legit of where Dale is back at his real job.
I was thinking what if Case 23 was a dream for the corrupted soul to suffer with, the soul wants out badly.
I do need help with the last bit though, i just posted in #🛖｜the-cabin
night forge
I'm beginning to wonder and theorize about an aspect of some of the games: Ceilings. Why do we see it in some, but not others? Is there always a ceiling, and we just can't see it? What was the last game when ceilings were a thing? Who can, or can't see them?
copper hawk
It's just gameplay mechanics, there are no ceiling conspiracies
thin elk
forest thicket
my school friend tell me it, and its really semelhance
hey, yours did caroline is the only that not become a humanoid anima?
plucky swallow
@night forge as far as I know mill is the last one with a playable ceiling
I guess there just wasn’t a need for one in the others
Where there were ceilings, all of them had some aspect to the puzzle except for the roof of the mill’s attic and turbine room, and the roof of case 23’s chapel and cabin
Come to think of it
I think all the games without ceilings are also the ones with the shelf inventory, so I guess between mill and hotel they just made a mechanics change
steep cloak
Caroline is kind of included in Mr. Owl I think. It's kind of confusing.
plucky swallow
I guess because it was her memories that were put in the lake, and were transferred into Jakob I think
past wren
Paradox you can see only the top of the room, the eye of Dale is looking down at himself as a cartoon version.
plucky swallow
I’m not quite sure what you mean
The actual room does have a ceiling, you just can’t look at it in the game
It’s not open on top or anything
past wren
I am wondering if each cube is in the underneath of the hotel, and case 23, since both are extremely large areas.
Also roots and hotel.
copper hawk
what ?...
plucky swallow
@past wren Can you clarify maybe?
past wren
Just an idea we had about a few weeks ago, of how each game stacks into one another, or was it in the same long gated city itself, like what if you really escape from room to room.
Sorry been writing down a lot of notes on my comp. There is still a lot more going on. 😃 I am a huge geek in this way.
plucky swallow
I'm really sorry but I have absolutely no idea what you're saying
I'm a huge geek too 😃
night forge
@past wren The problem with what you're proposing, are the games that take place outside, assuming that you mean each room of the game are all connected, and It's all fake. I dunno. Just seems like...
Like it's a little far-fetched.
past wren
Elevator tells me otherwise, @night forge
copper hawk
ok, so
there are 2 elevators
one that goes from the cabin to the bottom of the Lake
and the other one from the Cube to the Hotel
past wren
only two elevators, one for the first few games, and the other one submerges.
copper hawk
and every game where we see an elevator, except Case 23 since it's when he got in, and Cave since we're not in Dale's point of view, is inside of Dale's head, so this means Birthday, Theatre and Paradox are just in Dale's head, 2 of them are memories, and Paradox is most likely during the machine in Cave
It's actively shown that Birthday and Theatre are just memory cubes floating in the Lake
and that Dale relives those memories
so no, Rusty Lake isn't meta
past wren
I know what you said to me red, unless you are saying it in the group.
I am looking up each item in the game, I am starting to wonder more and more down the rabbit hole.
plucky swallow
what group? 🤔
past wren
@plucky swallow group of people here. 😃
plucky swallow
ok
past wren
Well finished Seasons, Birthday, The Mill, Harvey's Box, Alres last night...
languid lantern
It meta
past wren
I told you so it was meta!!! 😛
copper hawk
It's not
copper hawk
What do I think about this life... ?
... that's... obviou...s.
It's a shit game.
Seven billion players are moving plans around as they please.
It's a crappy game with no rules or objective.
You get penalized if you win or loose to much...
You're pressured if you stay silenced, you're shunned if you talk.
If it's not a shit game, what is it ?
dreamy dawn
i have no idea if you're joking and this is going over my head but sure there's an objective
it's to find the good stuff in life
like rusty lake
copper hawk
It's a No Game No Life quote
dreamy dawn
ah
copper hawk
Don't worry, I'm not THAT depressed
And in Spore, the meaning of life of the creatures you encounter is... To search for the meaning of their lives .-.
And it's kinda depressing
It's just an endless search, and if they ever find, then their lives don't matter anymore
°-°
Why do I think about stuff like that
It's super depressing and dark
Sorry about that
I'll try to not do that again
plucky swallow
Have you read the Library of Babel short story @copper hawk
It’s an interesting concept
past wren
Eh..... Well there is always the short film, making it reality.
past wren
Heard of Farenheit 451, of where the author predicted almost everything we take, for granted today?
I can almost make this entire Rusty Lake into like CSI: SVU.
plucky swallow
So
How does Williams soul be in two places at once?
Is it time travel or can he split the soul
plucky swallow
Well part one and part two
copper hawk
what ?
plucky swallow
The well part one and part two (sorry homonym 😃 )
copper hawk
AH
uh
Souls have been shown to teleport
so he just alternates between the two points of view I guess
plucky swallow
Although it would seem like you are playing as him all the way through each part, not switching back and forth
May just be gameplay tbh
¯_(ツ)_/¯
copper hawk
Yeah, but there are actions that the characters do without the help of William
plucky swallow
William puts the stuff in the bucket too though, considering Frank can’t even get off his rock and past the grate without the stick
That’s how I saw it at least
copper hawk
the rest of it is just gameplay made to... play a game
but it could've just been made by Frank and Rose themselves
copper hawk
yeah ?
plucky swallow
I’m not sure it was intentional
Considering all the other guests were killed by Harvey
Do you think it was the camera flash startling her like someone said?
copper hawk
I think she really was depressed
copper hawk
She was already on the edge of the roof
Harvey just gave her a push
copper hawk
Ok, for this you have to believe me
But most depressive people smile all the way through
plucky swallow
That’s true yeah
It’s just there’s nothing indicating that she was depressed any more than the other guests imo
But the only other explanation is the flash startled her... which I’m not sure about
copper hawk
she was supposed to play 3 roles during the same show...
she has a puppet show of Guignol and the policeman that DESTROY each other...
the photo of Mr. Crow with a knife...
The fact that she carries a pistol with her...
I mean there are plenty of evidence she isn't mentally stable
plucky swallow
Well they all seem far from mentally stable...
Keeping a baby bird locked up to electrocute, a stoned boar eating his own poop...
Mr boar has a massive axe in his room
Mr deer has a deer skull
copper hawk
What Harvey did is, seeing her stress and kinda obvious suicidal tendencies...
He just gave her the pistol "for the shoot", if you know what I mean
copper hawk
for me it is
but I spend way too much time with depressed people
And I kinda fit in the group
plucky swallow
Just remember you have everyone here on this server with you
You’re part of this community, and it wouldn’t be the same without you
copper hawk
yeah
dreamy dawn
it's actually kind of difficult to imagine red not being here
plucky swallow
❤ ❤ ❤
plucky swallow
It’s a friend heart 😃
copper hawk
:P
plucky swallow
Though there’s nothing at all wrong with homo
copper hawk
Of course
languid lantern
I do wonder why and how Dale handle all the weird stuff in Laura's house
granite karma
i bet he thought the same thing john mulaney did when getting an impromptu prostate exam
past wren
I am biploar myself, I can really understand what the calm lake can tranquil yourself, one of my early paintings in class was in fact "Tranquil Lake"
copper hawk
huh...
past wren
Life is funny that way.
past wren
red: What you mean by "She has a puppet show of Guignol?
manic glade
Yup, seems that way
past wren
Seriously I can understand why she does not want house guests 😃
@plucky swallow I think it could of been the flash and the stress behind each photo, clock, music box, as well as getting the wet pallet on the reel.
Thought that was a Mr. Rogers reference : Neighborhood of make believe.
plucky swallow
It’s supposed to be wet, it’s a silver halide solution or something (glass plates were used before film)
Np I’m distracted literally 100 % of the time 😃
past wren
Cheers Greenpixel 😃
plucky swallow
Cheers 🥂
past wren
What does each symbol mean, like the target, circle, square?
I also noticed the white fur underneath the brown, rabbit's face in hotel. Makes me wonder if they are brothers or distant cousins. Even though we all know if - DNA connected to their mother.
past wren
Why is there two bellhops in Rusty Lake hotel?
copper hawk
Mr. Crow is the receptionist
Mr. Bat is the bellboy
and Harvey is roomservice
languid lantern
He actually the concierge
past wren
Ah thanks. I am starting to type up notes on my comp, and just wondering why...
copper hawk
Well, he's both
Mr. Owl is kind of in a lack of personnel
past wren
Eh febel old fool.
past wren
Before the elixeir or after it?
past wren
Ah. thanks again. Just pulling my own hyposis.
languid lantern
Yeah we have a guesstimate
past wren
Architech design reminds me of my other stomping grounds, of Victorian Houses up in Boston.
I think that camed to play around when John Quincy was still around. I am not so sure.
languid lantern
Well he was a young man in the late 18th century
Honestly the hotel has a Gilded Age feel
Also Dale said beard give birth to crow
But wears the owl mask😖
past wren
Dale was not around until after Seasons though.
languid lantern
Yes gameplay wise
But he older then Laura by five years
Duel animal thing hint at something
past wren
Funny thing there is a few buildings down here, that is a sort of like dumb down version of Gilded age, a few are just across the street of where, I get my hair cut around that area.
I was right about Victorian houses, there is an image on google in NYC.
past wren
Well I know this because my family, father and mother's own stomping arounds are in Boston 😃 on subject yeah it could be that of the earilest.
Wonder if Nichalos and Dale are brothers?
copper hawk
I'm done
past wren
OOPS LOOKS LIKE I BROKE RED 😮
copper hawk
Nicholas Eilander : at least in his 30-40s in Paradise
So he was born around 1760
Dale Vandermeer : december 18, 1930
past wren
Ah, come now, lets have fun 😮
copper hawk
So unless Mrs. Pigeon is somehow Dale's mother, there's no way they're brothers
past wren
Then why do we see the deer chasing him in case 23?
copper hawk
Because Dale is in Mr. Owl's side
copper hawk
kind of
past wren
Then what side does Nicholas belong to?
copper hawk
The side of the killed and eaten hotel guests x)
past wren
Ah.
plucky swallow
Now what is the monster of the lake?
past wren
Well water, monster of the lake, water kills.
past wren
well I was going for the cube of prospective, thinking of foggy areas, mostly the game throughout it, it is fog.
plucky swallow
I was more thinking of this monster, but now it will forever be the tetanus monster in my mind
plucky swallow
True, I can practically see the tetanus coming off it
Actually thats what the dots are
copper hawk
It's the gigantic fish we can see in Paradise while he was a baby, and in Cave in the submarine
plucky swallow
Idk it doesn't look like that fish at all
past wren
Oh that one. That giant monster...oops...
dreamy dawn
this?
plucky swallow
No worries @past wren I am prone to posting ambiguous questions 😃
dreamy dawn
ok but like that doesn't disprove it's not the tetanus monster
this is a pretty big, beefy looking fish
plucky swallow
ALL EVIDENCE points towards a tetanus monster
dreamy dawn
overtime i bet it has eaten so many fish hooks from fishermen that it's just like
50% metal at this point
plucky swallow
Not to mention metal chests
past wren
That is a pretty big, beefy awesome neato fish, I wonder how i could not see him in the cave?
plucky swallow
You see him only breifly
copper hawk
It's on a very specific location on the map
plucky swallow
plus once in Paradise
dreamy dawn
i don't remember seeing him in paradise
plucky swallow
That screenshot is from the standard walkthrough
There is another fish from the easter egg
I don't remember if its the same one or not
Plus the merfish!
past wren
Wow. I have never seen that fish:O
dreamy dawn
oh jesus
plucky swallow
Ikr
copper hawk
the second one is the baby
plucky swallow
Yeah those are both the Easter Egg fish
I think the second one could be the Tetanus monster
past wren
What? Is ? that giant eye?
dreamy dawn
the second one is literally rust colored
copper hawk
and on the eye you can see X : 11
it's part of an easter egg
there's a legged fish and some other thing that hold the Y and Z
and it gets you idk where
dreamy dawn
oh i did find that fish in paradise
huh
well i hope the tetanus monster comes back in future installments
past wren
I know right, i wish they would of have those easter eggs in the mobile game.
copper hawk
oh yeah Y : 5
past wren
oh not playing it right now 😄 Finished hotel, got the sad ending.
past wren
But this is like sticks on here, until the next poster does, thanks 😄 I will keep that in mind.
vague imp
I have read your theories this afternoon, RED, they are very nice
past wren
I am starting to wonder, if they had much more lighter magic instead of like having "good memories of one another.." Unless that is it though.
vague imp
What do you mean ?
past wren
Maybe rebirth though, that did a white cube.
I know that each birth is something very happiness, and next to it is the downfall of death, ergo white and black cubes we all have within, no matter what we had duration of a day or two within.
vague imp
But would it be a mandatory in this case ?
past wren
death?
vague imp
Nope, a white cube for a rebirth
past wren
It could be mandatory for a huge rebirth, but something prepexulated me with the ending of hotel, why was there a white cube, when after that Harvey set off so many red flags for everyone?
vague imp
I have no idea for this 🤔 But can we call Aldous' "rebirth" as Mr Crow a huge one ?
past wren
Well if Mr. Crow was a hoarder and gave away over and over, for each crime he committed on pourpose, think someone hired Dale to investigated .
vague imp
So it means something is missing in the story. Btw, is it possible that some cube escape game could be added before Paradox in the timeline ? I think that the transition between Theatre and Paradox is quite weird
past wren
Cube Escape: Case 23
Cube Escape: The Mill
Rusty Lake Hotel
Cube Escape: Birthday
Cube Escape: Theatre
Rusty Lake: Roots
Cube Escape: The Cave
Rusty Lake Paradise
Cube Escape: Paradox
Paradox - A Rusty Lake Film
vague imp
Oops ok
past wren
Its from here, underneath #📚｜resources @vague imp You have to play them in order. I have been playing them in double sequence.
manic glade
You're missing a few from the beginning
past wren
meaning after I killed it in Case 23, done the mill, at the same time as Birthday, and The Cave. I just finished Hotel a few evenings ago.
@manic glade I know, its at the useful links url, Vevarda was just asking about paradox.
manic glade
All of the games come before paradox 😛
And timeline wise that's definitely not the right order
past wren
Care to collabrate on it @manic glade ?
manic glade
On what?
vague imp
This timeline is questionable, but it is the most plausible. But thanks
past wren
you said "And timeline wise that is definitely not in the right order" what is the main time then?
manic glade
Well if nothing else Paradise happens in the 1700s. Definitely not after...any of the other games
copper hawk
I'll have to change the timeline
there's a consensus that Paradox plays while Dale is in the machine in Cave
and also, if you look at the way the elevator moves in Birthday and Theatre, it takes place after Cave
and sure, we don't see the golden cube in Dale's hands, but his hands are behind his back, so it's still a possibility
Also, the fact that Dale has a therapy about who he is, including his traumatizing past (Paradox ch 2), and right after that, a therapeutic win over the killer in his mind (Birthday) makes a lot of sense
the other way around doesn't fit as nicely
plucky swallow
I would agree that paradox comes before theatre and birthday
past wren
We really do not know what is really inside, but is is just a strange new clump of emotions. I think that Cave starts before The Mill, adding the hotel just in the middle level too. therapy for him would be fishing.
copper hawk
No, it's clear that it's the 2 first chapter of Case 23, Mill, the 2 last chapters of Case 23, Cave, Paradox, Birthday, Theatre
past wren
So what is the beginning?
Do not say Seasons, i have a funny feeling it is something else.
past wren
Bingo, it is the events, not the full game, since it is too time travelish.
past wren
Lake is happening almost like within a different box, inside seasons.
Even though the game feels short, i think it is like a portal to like Summer event in seasons.
copper hawk
It could be, considering we use a code that comes from another memory to change what happens
past wren
Right.
plucky swallow
@past wren mill takes place at the same time as case 23, and case 23 is where Dale travels down the elevator. Since in cave Dale is already down the elevator, cave should take place after mill
past wren
Funny @plucky swallow That is how I just finished up Mill and picked up Case 23.
copper hawk
well, Dale is teleported to the Chapel by Mr. Owl during Mill
So Mill takes place at the same time as My office
past wren
not "The Office" but my office, hahaa.....that would be so cool of Steve Carrell looked like Dale...
copper hawk
Actually
the events of Mill take place during several months
because we teleport Laura in the Mill, which is something we see in The investigation
and there are months that pass during Case 23 ch1 and ch 2
past wren
hmm..... Television clues.
copper hawk
so Mill is just a fast forward in time from Mr. Crow's perspective
past wren
if we just hurled just on the television numbers, random ones that can be like dates. three of a kind like in paradox.
plucky swallow
?????
Anyways @copper hawk
The timeline for mill is weird because you see both investigation and my office in the tv
So they could theoretically be recorded tapes
Because it wouldn’t make much sense to be live
past wren
Recording tapes, like a very strange wifi thing.
copper hawk
Except
plucky swallow
Because if Laura on the tv was live Dale on the tv would y have happened yet
past wren
Even though they do not have wifi back then though.
copper hawk
you teleport Laura and you see Owl teleporting Dale
so it's not just tapes, it's just a way to tell the story in fast forward
plucky swallow
Exactly, time must be weird in the mill
copper hawk
no, there is no time bending I think, just storytelling
past wren
Time was really weird in the Mill, it was like huge gasps around each single look of each puzzle.
plucky swallow
But you can look out the window with the telescope before you see Laura on the tv though
I think?
Wait, what triggers Laura on the tv again?
past wren
I have a strong memory on that Green, the cow utters is what triggers Laura being on the television.
Each symbol if you really did your homework.
plucky swallow
I... don’t think so...
past wren
In the lake, i just noticed when the black cube is floating around, it is sunny out.
plucky swallow
Ok Laura on the tv just shows up when you get to the top floor
There is no trigger
I suspect it’s just gameplay like you said @copper hawk
copper hawk
yeah, not everything has to be true
there are things that are just made because of the medium it's on
plucky swallow
Or mr crow is just standing there in the attic for a year
“Hurry up Dale! I’m getting a cramp!”
past wren
"My old bird bones, ah where is my drink?"
copper hawk
yeah, it's just months that pass by
plucky swallow
But Laura can’t be a tape because Dale is on the phone
Investigation is in 1971 I think
Whatever I don’t think it matters
copper hawk
december 71 or something like that
past wren
Harvey is really getting strangled, like i think it follows her events at Hotel.
plucky swallow
What does?
copper hawk
I'll have to go
I always stay way too long...
I wouldn't want to make a cute girl wait 😏
Jokes aside, bye
wind depot
Could it be that the puppet show in hotel is a show about mr owls past? because Elizabeth (the girl puppet) was abusing Jakob (the boy puppet) until he was able to get his revenge only for her to burn him alive.
vague imp
I don't think that burning the puppet is a reference, you have to do it in order to destroy it and get what's inside. There are puppets just for the Guignol reference
past wren
I do not get the burning puppets is a reflective part, inside Cube Escape series, Elizabeth could not know what she was doing all the time, because she was blind, virus two chapter. @wind depot
past wren
When was Rusty Lake launched? Thought it was two years ago, but I shared a facebook post, it dated Roots as a 2016 release.
spice frigate
I think it was three years ago? I am not much sure tbh
manic glade
First games came out in 2015, yeag
past wren
Thanks buddy.
manic glade
*yeah
past wren
And look about the fanbase still today.
Ah underneath f.b. they made Rusty Lake Hotel a bar XD
On subject, started Theater 😃
past wren
So got to Bob's green door, anyone know the combo?
copper hawk
Samsara room came out in 2013
past wren
Thank you RED.
copper hawk
no problem
past wren
On halloween, there was someone dressed as death, is that right, one with the white out eyes?
past wren
Here is another buzzworthy thing, what is the full name of Harvey?
granite karma
since theyre laura's bird i assume their last name is vanderboom
past wren
In paradox, I accidently , without writing down the code, found a red tie. Is that a secret achivement?
copper hawk
I don't recall seeing Harvey's card, and I looked at them all
But I can search
and it's something you unlock with the codes you get by getting the 10 film related achievements
past wren
I think I did get all 10 film related achivements. It has been sometime since I have played Paradox.
copper hawk
when you look at the achievements in the game, they each represent a symbol
well, it gives you two codes, one for each chapter
And I can confirm, there is no Harvey card
and Harvey is his pet name
his "real name" should be Mr. Parrot
I mean you could argue that he's called Harvey Parrot but...
past wren
"Hi Mr. Parrot welcome to the hotel."
hmmm....something are just rolling off the tounge.
copper hawk
I mean it doesn't really sound dumber than "Mr. Crow" or "Mr. Owl"
It's just a question of being used to it
past wren
Psittaciformes Harvey?
sounds like someone just wrote in latin how about "ppstt its a Ciformes."
I should not think about this game, when I am going to bed ahh..... I am so out of here folks. Always just leave a message below and I will get back to you as humanity possible.
copper hawk
How did you come up with Psittaciformes ?
past wren
I googled the Latin name of parrot.
copper hawk
huh
past wren
A lot of times, even the most complexities are simple and dumb. Like I mentioned before RED. I really do not want to think about Rusty Lake before I go to sleep. I will see you soon. Peace out yall.
copper hawk
Actually it's Psittacus
Psittaciformes is the english latin name
Psittacus is the latin latin name
Ok, bye
manic glade
Psittacus is a particular Genus of Parrot
Psittaciformes are an Order containing 393 species of birds that are all called Parrot
Psittacus contains two of those species, the Grey parrot and the Timneh parrot
inner pumice
I do have a question
Why are there significantly more black cubes?
I get it you're investigating a murder/suicide, or at least observing it
But they're just memories
Unless I missed how those machines work?
past wren
Extraction of ones memories into the lady of lake, @inner pumice It is at the heart of the matter, she gave up on her sight, from seeing way too much in the past.
You can find it in Theater.
past wren
I was not quoting the game, extraction does add up black cubes. White cubes is warmth emotions.
past wren
If you looked into Bob's brains, you can see white cubes, he looks at a photo of Laura, I think that there is something dealing with her case.
inner pumice
Yeah
past wren
I think it deals with the lake, at the end all you see is a bright light.
Maybe the apple symbolises light
apples, trees, seeds, plants in general of Rusty Lake, rebirth.
Bob is being reborn .
past wren
In theater, is there another ending to kill the soul at the end?
copper hawk
Nope, at least none that I know of
shadow stump
Did I miss something or we don’t know at all what’s Mr owl and Mr crow’s plan neither what’s the purpose of Dale in their plan?
Because, yeah, I get it, they need to feed the lake with memories, but why would they need Dale? And why the gold cube?
inner pumice
And what is it anyways?
shadow stump
Also that
lean igloo
in my opinion, the cube escape Seasons: Detective Dale was investigating the blonde girl
And his ex
shadow stump
Yes...
inner pumice
Dosen't she have a name?
shadow stump
Laura
spice frigate
Bob
shadow stump
Though, it doesn’t answer my questions at all
spice frigate
or well Robert "Bob" Hill
lean igloo
I think that's the reason why he became the part of it
inner pumice
And Shadowman is definetly not human right?
shadow stump
I summon you @copper hawk
lean igloo
there will be blood
copper hawk
Who dares ?
shadow stump
I
copper hawk
You
shadow stump
Me
copper hawk
And what do YOU want from me ?
shadow stump
Scroll up, and you shall get your answer!
copper hawk
Oh, I see
Well...
For why Dale is involved, I have... no clue, except if he really is Aldous' grand son, and in that case, it would be for family reasons
shadow stump
Any idea of what would be their plan?
copper hawk
Now, for Mr. Crow and Mr. Owl's plan, what they want is definitive immortality
shadow stump
Sure
copper hawk
the power of the elixir isn't perfect
and to work, it has to transmute a life into more life
since it's an imperfect alchemic product
what they're searching for
is the philosopher stone
copper hawk
You play Aldous
shadow stump
Wh... when was it mentioned in the games?
shadow stump
Enlighten me
copper hawk
The philosopher stone is an artefact able to break the laws of reality, and create anything out of fin air.
It's also said that it can give immortality to its owner.
And its most common representation is a golden stone.
give immortal life
golden stone...
I think you get where I'm going
inner pumice
Golden cube...
shadow stump
Oh
copper hawk
the golden cube isn't the philosopher stone per say
inner pumice
Also why the fuck is Vanderbloom still investigating this
copper hawk
oh, also, many of the real life recipes for the philosopher stone involves
what is called a "philosopher egg"
an EGG
that has mystical powers and can create an elixir...
shadow stump
WhaT A CoiNciDenCE
copper hawk
Indeed
shadow stump
AN eGg
inner pumice
Wait what
shadow stump
How, though?
copper hawk
I mean who cares at this point ?
inner pumice
Yeah
shadow stump
I do
copper hawk
No matter HOW it works
it works, and for a reason
inner pumice
I mean we can't really awnser how
Seeing as Vanderbloom is still investigating this when he really should be checked on
copper hawk
I love how I'm kinda your joker when there's a plot hole in your theories x)
copper hawk
Vanderboom*
shadow stump
And by this, I mean I did almost none
copper hawk
Yeah, I'm kinda obsessed with alchemy
so much so that I copied a book named Alchemia
I didn't finish, there's like 2 pages left to do
But I'd like to finish the puzzles firts
inner pumice
Hold on what's the first in the series (by the time it was made)
copper hawk
and it's... strangely hard, considering it's very basic
shadow stump
Seasons
inner pumice
No not chronologivally
inner pumice
The first rusty lake cube escape game made
shadow stump
Is samsara really connected?
inner pumice
Wait really?
copper hawk
Yeah, really
It's not officially said it's connected
But I think there is an untold link
copper hawk
Nope, Seasons was the first
copper hawk
they came out in the same order as they play on cubeescape.com
I don't really know, but it's really weird
shadow stump
Gotta leave the chat for a few minutes, see ya
copper hawk
for example, the body in the clock, that is clearly the former body of our character
really looks like Mr. Owl...
inner pumice
It looks nothing like Mr Owl
lean igloo
I can't play the samsara room
inner pumice
Even as a human
lean igloo
It's not in the app store...
copper hawk
it's only online
inner pumice
How the fuck did you get from Mr Owl to that fat dude
lean igloo
Yeah
copper hawk
I don't know...
lean igloo
But what site
copper hawk
Wait
inner pumice
Kongregate
copper hawk
Jakob's hair burned away for good
the fat bald man is Mr. Owl, yes
hnnnnnnn
It can't be Gerald either...
inner pumice
The Old Man in the boat isn't fat
copper hawk
what man in the boat ?
inner pumice
In i think Case 23?
copper hawk
the skinny old dude with a sawed mouth ?
inner pumice
Whatever one had a timed puzzle
copper hawk
that's Mr. Crow
Aldous Vanderboom
the same guy you play as in Mill and Cave
and one of the two Alchemists brothers
friend and employee of Mr. Owl
lean igloo
copper hawk
Possibly Dale's grandfather
copper hawk
Yeah
If Aldous is the father of Dale's mother, then it's possible
he got his name from his father
and his noble title from his grandpa
Mr. Meer married Mrs. Vanderboom, daughter of Aldous Vanderboom
And thus created the Vandermeer family
or at least Dale Vandermeer
since the father cannot get the title, as it passes through by blood
copper hawk
they're the Eilander
inner pumice
Sits back and waits for you to explain
copper hawk
Uh...
inner pumice
Sorry lol
copper hawk
There are clear signs that point the Eilander either being dead and coming back as the guests, or just transmutating as them
For exemple, their masks at the end of Paradise are the same animals as the guests
and Jakob is clearly shown to be transmutated as Mr. Owl
and no, not reborn, because as a human, Mr. Owl has no hair
which is the result of him being burned alive
Also, in Paradise, the sandwich level is clearly both based on Gerald, but also Mr. Boar
as we can see a Boar reaming in the forest
and it's a level based on a sandwich and shitting
the same as Mr. Boar's level in Hotel
inner pumice
Oh ok
copper hawk
Also also
The killer of the birthday massacre is a magician called D. Eilander and wearing a Rabbit mask
D. Eilander as in David Eilander, the possessor of the rabbit mask
Rabbit that also happens to be a magician in Hotel
they also all have a switch in personnality
seeing how they maybe died or came close to it, and wanted to start anew
sure whiskers paradox, but I'm talking about Paradox, and not Birthday
and in Paradox it's confirmed that it is David Eilander
ancient blade
Ohh... I thought you were talking about Birthday. Apologies 😅
copper hawk
no worries
shadow stump
Just thought about this: don’t you think Mr crow’s wife has something to do with all that. If not, she must be aware of what’s going on, because there’s a fricking hotel in the middle of the lake next to where she lives
Which is pretty unusual
ancient blade
It was more of a mental facility stylized to be a hotel of relaxation for me.
inner pumice
Also what clues can we gather from Paradox (movie)?
copper hawk
Seeing how Mr. Crow goes all the way to hide his true identity as to make a mask of his human face and sawing his mouth...
I think that she knows nothing about the paranormal side of the story
She only knows her husband works for a guy that happens to run the Hotel, and that he does weird things with corpses and cubes
shadow stump
I wouldn’t feel safe if I was married to somebody doing such things, tbh
inner pumice
Yeaaahhhh
shadow stump
Sawing the mouth would be especially creepy
ancient blade
She also has a bit of oddity... Locking herself in a small compartment in a mill...
inner pumice
Maybe she's insane too?
ancient blade
Which the key is stuck in a cobweb IN THE CEILING.
inner pumice
This is a puzzle game
copper hawk
so it's Mr. Crow that locks her up
maybe he just wants to protect her from all this nonsense
ancient blade
Well, he did a great job at that, amirite?
copper hawk
You heartless bastard
ancient blade
Apologies 😅
I couldn't help myself.
Also, can I address the laws of thermodynamics being ignored on the mill? You can hold molten gold with your bare hands while you need a mitten for an ovened turkey.
inner pumice
Yes
copper hawk
it's also done in Cave
ancient blade
Physics!
inner pumice
You hold it in a container
red wave
btw. I know it's a stupid question, but why was Harvey stuck in a box?
steady plover
maybe because of Laura moving?
Or he got in the box and got stuck?
vague imp
It's more convenient than a cage for moving, I suppose
A parrot like Harvey is quite small
inner pumice
Harvey's amazing
vague imp
If I had a parrot in a huge cage, I wouldn't move with it, or I would move the cage several days/weeks before me
inner pumice
We need more harvey fanart
ancient blade
Harvey basically:
- Killed off 5 guests
- Gave a needed item or piece in every game he starred on
- Solved a puzzle
- Wrote a sonata
- Killed off a soul
What else...?
inner pumice
Good bird!
red wave
and have difficulty getting out of a fu***** box
vague imp
Well... He did write a sonata, and he's cute
inner pumice
Yes
ancient blade
- He's cute
hollow raptor
- We can't know which gender Harvey is for sure
vague imp
Even the "real" Harvey in the Paradox movie is cute
He layed some eggs, so I believe Harvey had been a female for a long time
red wave
in theory,Harvey should be called Mr.Parrot as red said
vague imp
If he "turned" male
inner pumice
Omg wait
vague imp
Yep that's right 🤔
ancient blade
MR. Parrot.
ancient blade
Did you guys got into the chapter 2 secret ending with the promo thingamajig?
vague imp
Yep
hollow raptor
in game, Harveys gender has never been referred to
vague imp
But you have to be a female to lay eggs (or Rusty Lake is the wierdest place ever about its biology)
inner pumice
Isn't Harvey a boy's name
hollow raptor
that's true, but the name does sound male and also there are no visible beewbs when we see harveys humanoid form
inner pumice
Since 1880, a total of 114,861 boys have been given the name Harvey while we have no record of any girls being named Harvey.
Since 1880, a total of 114,861 boys have been given the name Harvey while we have no record of any girls being named Harvey.
And RL takes place in the 1900s
hollow raptor
Yeah, but does this count for birds, too?
vague imp
Maybe
hollow raptor
maybe harvey is hermaphrodite
vague imp
Darwin would be proud
hollow raptor
heckin johnsson
ancient blade
(Then as it turns out, I was correct and Johnsson was actually the antagonist all along)
(Oh, I wish.)
copper hawk
Well
Actually you should get the stats for Harvey's name in the 1790s
Since he was in Paradise
So I'm pretty sure it's a dude...
that...
can magically lay philosopher eggs
for some reason
red wave
we are questioning the genre of a bird in a game that a hand leaves a piano, people see animals and train a lake that has memories?
are animals*
hollow raptor
yes
red wave
have*
sorry english is not my first language im using translator
copper hawk
Well, the Hand always appear in memories and hallucinations, and is the physical representation of the Lake in said memories
ancient blade
Question:
In the Paradox Golden Cube Ending, Dale will be going to the hotel already, in theory, right?
vague imp
Or "to the next step of his journey"
ancient blade
So... Paradox is settled on the bottom of the lake?
ancient blade
So, as I'm seeing this... As Dale places the two cubes on the television, Mr. Owl takes him and places him on the machine. The machine then creates the simulations in order to prepare, rather 'empty Dale's mind' in order for him to be a possible candidate for the ruler of the lake. Is it correct?
The machine being the one seen in the Cave.
copper hawk
I don't think it's a simulation
more like a memory manually messed with
because it's still a memory
Dale knows this place
just like he knows the Theatre
it's the same place as he visited it awake, but different because it was changed by something, or in that case, someone
ancient blade
A recreation of a memory?
copper hawk
no, just a memory that they are able to modify at will
and also transport where they want to
ancient blade
How about Paradox? Was it also a memory?
ancient blade
Oh, I see...
copper hawk
except they are not changed by the same person
Paradox is changed by Mr. Crow and Mr. Owl via the machine
Birthday and Theatre are changed by the Lake
ancient blade
Mhm...
copper hawk
But in the continuation of what was already done in Paradox
ancient blade
Also, is it possible that Paradox is a memory of Laura considering she is also in the machine?
copper hawk
no, that's just because they're connected
so she is kind of a parasite in the memory
an interference, a noise
ancient blade
Mhm...
copper hawk
I don't know if they wanted this, or if it's just a side effect of the creation of the cube
but it's there
ancient blade
Damn, things are really vague after Case 23 and the Mill, aren't they?
manic glade
Black Cube Simulator 2019
thorn coral
Yes please
red wave
Has anyone noticed that the detective is still bearded? it means going on in memories, not in a real place as some people speak
granite karma
or he couldve just not shaved in a while
hollow hound
ha ! im glad i wasnt the only one noticing the beard
red wave
but its only 2 memories before this,did not give time to grow a beard
inner pumice
He's obviously sleeping between these
red wave
probably this and another memory, as Red said, probably in a therapy session, where he faces the fear of his parents' murder
past wren
I wonder about Mr. Crow's wife, being in a cupboard in mill. She does nothing but eats and sleeps. 😃
When I scrolled up and @spice frigate said "Bob" Hill, I automatically thought of Bobby Hill from King of the hills hahaa..
@inner pumice That would of been a giant possibly duration that, Will could of just did a lot behind the scenes though, there is no direct game again to play him as though. But I think you do play as Will as the Dale, in some way of Theater.
red wave
thanks ^-^
past wren
How do you rest? Seriously RL gave me horrible nightmares brah, @copper hawk
dreamy dawn
ehh
that sense of horror is something i feel like is toned down in the more recent games
there's no more innocentally panning the camera up to see a shadow figure right there in your face
like in harvey's box
past wren
Still the shadow, seriously one of the - well the only spooky thing I have seen these days. Not into horror type anything. It has to be a well lighted room and duration of the day, after that a lot of cartoons.
copper hawk
Well, Paradox was about therapy, so jumpscare are harder to add
Plus we know all the "monsters" and at this point we expect to be surprised
Not mentioning the fact that as theorizers (what most of us here are) seeing the games over and over again makes us immune to this type of horror, and we're more focused on the details for the lore than relaxed and not prepared for spoopy shadows
So you'd pretty much have to be new to be scared by those games
@past wren
And to answer you, I regularly force myself to watch hardcore gore, to cure the downsides of my hyper emotivity
So that plays too
past wren
I only play through roots and paradise only once, the rest well I did it more recently too. I should really turn on the soundtrack as I am playing though... @copper hawk that is great to focus on that too, i have not touched my ps3 in a while. I will play some games tonight.
copper hawk
Great
past wren
Thanks for answering my question red.
copper hawk
No problem
Don't do like me, though
I only do this so I don't lose consciousness whenever I see someone hurt
I'm gonna go now
I'll be back in an hour
Bye
past wren
Alright. I should get going on a few myself. See you soon chat.
thorn coral
The movie had some good jumpscares tho
copper hawk
It did
past wren
So what game should I play next, Paradise or Roots?
past wren
After theater?
ancient blade
Well, between Paradise and Roots, I suggest playing Roots first.
Although, I'm not sure if it's after Theater.
Was it?
past wren
I think it was before.... paradise, since it only had their first gen in it.
I might play it a bit later on, since I want to cure myself away for a bit though.. 😄
hollow raptor
roots was released after theatre
past wren
Thank you @hollow raptor 😃 I will then play roots.
ancient blade
In my opinion, Roots was the best in all of the other exclusives.
past wren
It is so long though, much like Case 23. Paradise, also paradox.
Well you probably rush right through, @ancient blade ?
ancient blade
Although long, it's quite immersive, a problem I had with the other exclusives.
I barely realized how long I played it.
past wren
no kidding, there is still a lot do finish per puzzle.
With that in mind, i should vacat the room, see you soon.
red wave
This is the order of games I SUGGEST for you to play (not necessarily chronological)
-Lake
-Harvey box
-Seasons
-Case 23
-Paradise
-Hotel
-Theather
-Birthday
-Roots
-Paradox
manic glade
Paradise that early? Interesting
I always recommend release order/the official suggested order
shy sand
I've only ever lurked here, so take my input with a grain of salt, but you should look at the steam community post on it
manic glade
Yeah that's the official order, they have it posted here in #📚｜resources too
inner pumice
Chronological order, but reverse
past wren
I have first done Seasons, the lake, Birthday, Mill, Hotel in that order.
*Case 23 unfinished at the ending though. I still want to delete it because of the speed puzzle in the end.
*Arles before Birthday i think.
red wave
It's because I think that in this order you understand things better.
past wren
@red wave Freedom points are deducted to me, let me play however I want second time around, I have read so many wikis of each person in the game, went to the musuem in Chicago to understand Van Gogh twenty years ago, I have a mug of him right in front of me, I know everything but I do not want a nasty troll comment like that structuring around the letters and cause my emotions to riven up like a normal internet person.
manic glade
What?
past wren
Please do not mock me or try to force your tiny little Ace up your sleeve, @red wave you are just a hyprocrite on citing on what games I should play in order..gee get over it.
red wave
I'm not forcing anyone ... I'm sorry if I explained myself wrong
past wren
I am perfectly calm right now.
manic glade
You certainly don't sound it
past wren
Nothing on this planet will ever get my goat.
manic glade
You seemed perfectly fine to me, C-Kade
I honestly do not know why they are getting so worked up
red wave
is because the word "you" here in Brazil refers to someone in the third person
manic glade
It does around here too
past wren
assumptions. Again I am sorry. I will just look at this one day and use it against seeking out another black cube.
manic glade
Jesus
red wave
ok..
past wren
Again you cannot see my sincerities on this only text chatter.
Anyways lets talk about Rusty lake.
red wave
ok......
manic glade
I’m about as lost as you are, you’re not alone
red wave
I just wanted to let you know that I was not referring to you, willian
past wren
Again, if I was really anger at this irc type chat, i would just of left it for now.
you should of said "For the public who does not know of, how to play rusty lake." It got me confused @red wave
red wave
ok,im sorry,but lets talk about Rusty lake/Cube escape or whatever
past wren
I am going off Rusty Lake for a long time, honestly you can get so obesseive over it, and trying the right type of puzzles too. Then again I play them on mute, I really rarely allow anything to get out of my phone. Because the public would like conversations on mute.
red wave
okay
past wren
I think the telephone conversations link up in each game, like the conversations do not start or stop.
red wave
What do you mean by that?
inner pumice
Can you give us a narritive?
past wren
Each passage starts with like "There will be bad blood" That phrase is uttered throughout the entire Rusty Lake, even some that are subtle.
past wren
hahaaa..... was thinking Walter White, i was wearing my Breaking Bad shirt, and thinking "What if Walter White fill in for Mr. Crow.?"
copper hawk
It's just "there will be blood" but, close enough I guess
past wren
hehe.... 😃
I think that all dialog is foreshadowing something of the upcoming games, each line is connected.
dreamy dawn
i mean there is a lot of blood in the games so
past wren
I am stupid, just say it, it will not hurt my feelings.
copper hawk
But I'm gonna calculate how much blood you need to make an actual sword
No, the stupid one here is me
I'm going full Austin
past wren
Genocide ammount. Trust me.
spice frigate
Red, you reminded me of that one Japanese youtuber who makes knifes out of everything
they end up being quite sharp too, no matter what material they were made from (even chocolate)
copper hawk
Oh yeah, that girl x)
past wren
How...do you make a sharp sword out of chocolate?
copper hawk
she's awesome
most of the time, she turn the elements into dust, then boil them and cast them in a way that make them incredibly hard
Ok, so, I'm gonna calculate for a few types of swords
past wren
Say what?
copper hawk
past wren
I also think the telephones are also inter connected, no matter what kind of puzzle you face.
red wave
Say my name
Mr crow?
No
Aldous?
Youre goodam right
past wren
hahaaa.. 😃
Anywho, I think that Jackob is hiding something, when he turns back to Mr. Owl, and you start to see the ending unveiling.
past wren
Anywho is there another Russian Doll in the RL Universe? I know I did discovered it in seasons.
south sparrow
Where was it?
past wren
Spring time.
vague imp
@past wren Matryoshkas appear only in Case 23
past wren
Tell me where did you found the silver key - oh wait thinking of I think Case 23.
hollow raptor
she suffered from depression after the loss of her son and after losing her last bit of hope she killed herself
past wren
huh. Depression leads to art skills..
Really 29 years young? Wow, that is still pretty young.
past wren
Where are the matches in well part two?
Soooooo..... The board itself in checkmate will not turn into cerabellum. Whats up with that?
dreamy dawn
@past wren what do you mean?
past wren
I figure it out @dreamy dawn - I looked at the video and played it amongst the way, played it nearly six hours on my phone. I need a huge break again today.
past wren
I wonder if they put the giant mosquito in the game, to be a candian eh ? 😃 I saw a sign on f.b. of it hahaaa..... 😃
rusty lake developers of Paradise, hmmm set in Cananda
copper hawk
why do you say that ?
copper hawk
Hey, I just thought about it
But you know how I already said that the big cube at the bottom of the Lake maybe it's Caroline's memories fused together ?
Well, what if the moment when it turned from black to white is during Hotel ?
Think about it, her son just avanged them both by killing their killers
So the bad memories of her being slaughtered became good memories of vengeance
copper hawk
Trying to make a digital version of my poster, so I can modify it
ugh...
and I only did the family trees, for now...
my god...
copper hawk
there
My god...
red line is "kills"
so it counts for murder and suicide
and I counted Dale killing Mr. Rabbit even though it was in his head, but...
you know...
some people don't think it's in his head..
so there, everyone is happy
copper hawk
Also, I counted Owl and Crow as murderers of the guests because
- Owl ordered the murders
- Crow was aware of what was happening and actively helped
(I'm reposting it, because the red lines were hiding the fact that Harvey is a pet)
inner pumice
Harvey is an imortal birdboi
copper hawk
he's 200 yo
inner pumice
Best bird
copper hawk
You may now use this as "clean" interaction map
I mean it's hard to do better
And you gotta admit, it's cleaner than this
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DeqyW84UYAAqnJT.jpg:large
past wren
I was thinking outside of the box, but that's much cleaner red
past wren
Dale did kill Mr. Rabbit in his head, because Birthday is just a sepia toned game, sepia can repersent dreams
The question mark can be remake into like forest or even elixiers both are arggresive tones, hint that Mr. Crow just pops into the forest but it could mean like the dark corners of Dales own mind. Maybe this is all in his head, trapped in cubes. All the way the back ends of like oh - paradox per sa.
copper hawk
Almost forgot some details...
It's so horrible that it's hard to keep track of everything
languid lantern
I don't know I like the pictures a whole lot better and I just can't read that bad boy on this screen
languid lantern
Of course I do I've been in the service for 7 years
copper hawk
x)