#🤔｜theories | Rusty Lake | Page 73

past wren Oct 18, 2018, 10:24 PM

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Okay here is a big one for you. If Dale had only two pockets shown in the movie, wouldn't the organs get soaking in his clothes? 😃

copper hawk Oct 18, 2018, 10:26 PM

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It's a game

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you're questioning point and clic logic, here

past wren Oct 18, 2018, 10:27 PM

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I like to question everything hahhaaa 😄

copper hawk Oct 18, 2018, 10:27 PM

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x)

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you can

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but not THAT

past wren Oct 18, 2018, 10:27 PM

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Well nice to meet you RED. I have to clean out my p.c.

copper hawk Oct 18, 2018, 10:36 PM

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ok, bye

plucky swallow Oct 19, 2018, 12:39 AM

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@past wren sorry just saw the ping

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Although the wiki can be opinionated, I really like it

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I like how it has everything in one place

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So it’s easy to browse

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Btw @copper hawk I noticed someone one point out that when mr rabbit is at the door, the corrupted rabbit is at the window still. I would personally think that is just a mistake, what’s your opinion?

copper hawk Oct 19, 2018, 12:42 AM

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dev lazyness

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it's just that they've put the trigger too late

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I mean

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nobody in a normal playthrough thinks about checking this

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so I guess it didn't matter enough for them to correct it

plucky swallow Oct 19, 2018, 12:45 AM

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Ok that makes the most sense, if there were two rabbits at once in birthday that would get very confusing!

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Hmm

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It’s strange that the Vandermeer don’t seem to be expecting a magician

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Or anyone for that matter?

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“Who could that be? More party guests?”

copper hawk Oct 19, 2018, 12:46 AM

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uh...

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that

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that is weird

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since in Paradox they ask you to call him

plucky swallow Oct 19, 2018, 12:47 AM

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It could be it wasn’t planned until paradox

copper hawk Oct 19, 2018, 12:47 AM

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or it was just put in paradox for clue purposes

plucky swallow Oct 19, 2018, 12:47 AM

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Yeah

copper hawk Oct 19, 2018, 12:47 AM

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anyway, expected or not, it doesn't really matter

plucky swallow Oct 19, 2018, 12:47 AM

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I’m redownloading cave now hopefully it works

plucky swallow Oct 19, 2018, 1:17 AM

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@copper hawk it’s fixed now and I saw the shadow again, but couldn’t screenshot it in time. It really looks like some kind of lizard (or the chameleon from monsters inc... 🙃)

copper hawk Oct 19, 2018, 1:17 AM

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hnnnn

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is there a lizard somewhere in the cave ?

plucky swallow Oct 19, 2018, 1:19 AM

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Ahhh got it kinda

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It doesn’t really match any of the guests

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Also I’m pretty sure doing different things unlocks the shadows

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There’s none before the fire which makes sense

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The dog seems to trigger one

plucky swallow Oct 19, 2018, 2:23 AM

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And sometimes the bat

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Idk

wind depot Oct 19, 2018, 8:09 AM

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can someone explain thit to me: so i'm replaying season 2 of Paradox and when i called mr rabbit he said "look through the door" so i did and there he stood but then when i backed out and looked again i saw the corrupted deer soul and then i back out looked again and i saw Laura now Laura being there makes sense but what's up with the deer? you can also see him in the tv on channel 749.

dreamy dawn Oct 19, 2018, 8:11 AM

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i think the corrupted deer just has a chance to appear whenever you look through the key hole

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cause you're looking out into the forest

copper hawk Oct 19, 2018, 9:14 AM

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ok so, just puttin the wood in the thing triggers them

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no it triggers randomly no matter what you do

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x)

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bat, boar and weird shadow are here naturally, the others have to be summoned with the 4 flashes I guess

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it doesn't look like the guests...

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uh...

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more or less

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By the way I just understood this graphic better

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the cubes don't come from them

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the machine is here to infuse the elixir from Laura into the black and white cubes

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but it doesn't explain why they need Dale .-.

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Also, notice

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What's under their name is what they did at Rusty Lake

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so "The traveler" only means he isn't from the Lake

wind depot Oct 19, 2018, 9:45 AM

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well Dale's surname is literally from the lake (VanderMeer) as Mister owl said he needs a suppresser and then he tells Dale to continue his journey.

copper hawk Oct 19, 2018, 9:46 AM

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Yeah but I mean

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why do they need him to create the Cube ?

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he doesn't add or take anything, based on the graph

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Laura and Dale create the cube, but also are the cube, for what I can see

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...

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maybe

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maybe because it's the "future" cube

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and they literally are the future of Rusty Lake

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in that case it would make sense

copper hawk Oct 19, 2018, 10:05 AM

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I mean

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It just looks like a "human" corrupted soul from the side

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We don't often see them like that, but...

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wind depot Oct 19, 2018, 10:39 AM

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Well it would make sense for the both of them to be the future. I feel like this golden cube might be the key to some awnsers as for the soul i thought that was Dale's corrupted soul getting weaker by the fact that he is facing his memories en troubles.

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Since when we touch it it just goes back to a black lifeless puddle yet when we don't touch the weak spots it will come after us and we wake up a couple of moves back.

copper hawk Oct 19, 2018, 10:59 AM

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I'm not talking about this soul in particular

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but just the shape of a humanoid soul when it's on the side

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to compare with the shadow in the Cave

plucky swallow Oct 19, 2018, 11:07 AM

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I’m sorry

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I can’t not think about this 😪

shy pecan Oct 19, 2018, 11:24 AM

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The lake is taking your memories because it supports its power grid.

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Now we know.

plucky swallow Oct 19, 2018, 12:57 PM

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😂

copper hawk Oct 19, 2018, 1:04 PM

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.-.

plucky swallow Oct 21, 2018, 1:45 AM

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Is the “back where it all began, Harvey’s egg” not just a reference to the elixir?

copper hawk Oct 21, 2018, 1:47 AM

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The elixir and Laura trying to eat the egg

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somehow it's important, since the egg has part of the elixir in it

plucky swallow Oct 21, 2018, 1:48 AM

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Why can the egg create white and black cubes?

copper hawk Oct 21, 2018, 1:49 AM

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it can't

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Seasons is just a series of memories

plucky swallow Oct 21, 2018, 1:49 AM

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Case 23

copper hawk Oct 21, 2018, 1:49 AM

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wat ?

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where ?

plucky swallow Oct 21, 2018, 1:50 AM

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It turns to white cube in case 23

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I think

copper hawk Oct 21, 2018, 1:50 AM

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uuuh...

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I don't recall that

plucky swallow Oct 21, 2018, 1:50 AM

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But it’s a crow egg

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Harvey = black
Crow = white?

copper hawk Oct 21, 2018, 1:50 AM

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But the fact that in Seasons the cube comes out of the egg symbolizes that the egg is the core of the memory

plucky swallow Oct 21, 2018, 1:51 AM

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Is a shrimp the core of summer?

copper hawk Oct 21, 2018, 1:51 AM

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no, it's the Lake

plucky swallow Oct 21, 2018, 1:51 AM

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Ok

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And the tv

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For fall 🤔

copper hawk Oct 21, 2018, 1:51 AM

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since it's the summer right after she came back from the Rusty Lake facility

plucky swallow Oct 21, 2018, 1:52 AM

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After? That’s a long time to keep a newspaper on your table

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It make sense though

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Why can crow eggs make white cubes tho 🤔

copper hawk Oct 21, 2018, 1:53 AM

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she's at Rusty Lake from somewhere between 1964 to 1969, until between 1969 and 1971

plucky swallow Oct 21, 2018, 1:54 AM

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Oh I guess it shows that in

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Wait

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Cabin has no date

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Mill must be 1971

copper hawk Oct 21, 2018, 1:56 AM

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Cabin is right after Chapel / Mill

plucky swallow Oct 21, 2018, 1:56 AM

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Why after? She’s already corrupted by then

copper hawk Oct 21, 2018, 1:56 AM

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I mean RIGHT after

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Cabin, not Lake

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Lake is 1969

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or at least the memory of it

plucky swallow Oct 21, 2018, 1:57 AM

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I thought there’s no date on lake

copper hawk Oct 21, 2018, 1:57 AM

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There is one

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and if there are none, then it's just on the official timeline

plucky swallow Oct 21, 2018, 2:00 AM

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O right because it is same as Harvey’s box

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Lake is weird to fit in

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Who is the soul in the cabin?

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Sry lake

copper hawk Oct 21, 2018, 2:01 AM

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Most likely Pigeon

plucky swallow Oct 21, 2018, 2:01 AM

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Oh

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Ok

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The eggs have some important connection we haven’t found out about yet IMO

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What makes them cubey and elixery

copper hawk Oct 21, 2018, 2:03 AM

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Well Harvey is immortal

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and we can see that with the dog too, people that are immortal produce elixir

plucky swallow Oct 21, 2018, 2:04 AM

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Cause the elixir is in them right

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The eggs all come from somewhat immortal

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If you count the crow

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So maybe the elixir is an alternate way to make cube or something?

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Idk

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Theatre make sense yearwise because that is when he is interrogating bob

copper hawk Oct 21, 2018, 2:06 AM

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Cubes are the essence of what is bad

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or good

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or past or future and immortal

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the black cubes are either more evolved or more primitive, since they can transform into actual beings of pure desire

plucky swallow Oct 21, 2018, 2:08 AM

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Some reason Laura went to the lake between spring and summer and then returned and died

copper hawk Oct 21, 2018, 2:08 AM

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the white cubes don't have to, to be as powerful

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No, Theatre is after Bob got liberated because they found no proof

plucky swallow Oct 21, 2018, 2:09 AM

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Why is that 🤔?

copper hawk Oct 21, 2018, 2:09 AM

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he kills himself in theatre

plucky swallow Oct 21, 2018, 2:09 AM

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Because he blames himself

copper hawk Oct 21, 2018, 2:10 AM

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and in Paradox, there is a tape of him saying they let him go because it was false accusation

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there even is a book he wrote about him not being the culprit

plucky swallow Oct 21, 2018, 2:10 AM

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It still takes place between murder scene and office

copper hawk Oct 21, 2018, 2:10 AM

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nope

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since he dies in Theatre, then he can't be alive for Office

plucky swallow Oct 21, 2018, 2:11 AM

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It’s on the timeline

copper hawk Oct 21, 2018, 2:11 AM

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really ?

plucky swallow Oct 21, 2018, 2:11 AM

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Between murder scene and office yeah

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I don’t think he died irl in theatre

copper hawk Oct 21, 2018, 2:12 AM

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What... the... fuck...

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THERE'S A PICTURE OF A DEAD IRL BOB IN PARADOX

plucky swallow Oct 21, 2018, 2:13 AM

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I think the shooting didn’t actually happen except in Dales memory

copper hawk Oct 21, 2018, 2:13 AM

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no

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he did shoot himself

plucky swallow Oct 21, 2018, 2:13 AM

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Or he lived idk?

copper hawk Oct 21, 2018, 2:13 AM

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otherwise there wouldn't be a picture of a live actor playing him dead

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but maybe they arrested his corruption

plucky swallow Oct 21, 2018, 2:14 AM

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Idk

copper hawk Oct 21, 2018, 2:14 AM

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since a body can continue to live on if the corruption is strong enough

plucky swallow Oct 21, 2018, 2:14 AM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

copper hawk Oct 21, 2018, 2:14 AM

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Laura in Mill

plucky swallow Oct 21, 2018, 2:14 AM

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Laura didn’t live did she?

copper hawk Oct 21, 2018, 2:14 AM

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She's both dead and alive

plucky swallow Oct 21, 2018, 2:15 AM

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She changed her past by going to her home and building a machine

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To turn human again

copper hawk Oct 21, 2018, 2:15 AM

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Laura as herself is dead
but the corruption of her depression still lives within her corpse

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once again, changing a memory doesn't affect reality

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it's just a memory

plucky swallow Oct 21, 2018, 2:16 AM

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Well yes and the corruption came when extracting the cubes in mill

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Came out*

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Unless the memories were a way of accessing her past

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By looking into her memories as a corrupted soul she could change what really happened

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To save herself in real time

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Or an alternate timeline

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So they weren’t just memories, they were an aces point

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Access*

copper hawk Oct 21, 2018, 2:21 AM

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and yet she's pretty much still dead and corrupted

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same for Dale's family that is still pretty much dead

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and Dale says it himself right after Birthday
"it feels like MY MEMORIES are changing"
not "my past"
"my memories"

plucky swallow Oct 21, 2018, 2:23 AM

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Dale wasn’t corrupted maybe he didn’t have sic memory gateway powers

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Corrupted souls have weird time powers

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It seems

copper hawk Oct 21, 2018, 2:23 AM

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no they don't

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they have weird teleportation and body possession powers

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but nothing over time

plucky swallow Oct 21, 2018, 2:24 AM

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Mr crows soul turns up everywhere in roots, unless it’s not me crow but some other bird like soul

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It could me ms pigeon

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But then the lake soul couldn’t be

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Oh nvm

copper hawk Oct 21, 2018, 2:25 AM

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no it's Mr. Crow's soul

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he just likes to get his soul out of his body to help William

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it's easier to teleport

plucky swallow Oct 21, 2018, 2:26 AM

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Hoooow?

copper hawk Oct 21, 2018, 2:26 AM

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he's immortal

plucky swallow Oct 21, 2018, 2:26 AM

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That means all the hotel guests can teleport

copper hawk Oct 21, 2018, 2:26 AM

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he just kills himself

plucky swallow Oct 21, 2018, 2:26 AM

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Seems a little odd 🙃

copper hawk Oct 21, 2018, 2:26 AM

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and then posses his own corpse back

plucky swallow Oct 21, 2018, 2:27 AM

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I feel it’s more likely that souls can time travel

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That razor thing

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Occams’

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Rather that killing him self over and over

manic glade Oct 21, 2018, 2:28 AM

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Occam's razor, yeah

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Which is weird because the guy was named William of Ockham. But that's besides the point

plucky swallow Oct 21, 2018, 2:30 AM

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manic glade Oct 21, 2018, 2:30 AM

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Bahaha

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Very true

copper hawk Oct 21, 2018, 2:34 AM

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I could buy it, except there is no other case of a soul using time travel
when we have many examples of body possession

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or maybe he doesn't have to directly kill himself and it works more like astral projection

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but in any way, it's his soul getting out of his body

plucky swallow Oct 21, 2018, 2:36 AM

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Why him though and no other immortals who do it? That would also be the only example of non-brutally-murdered-or-hooked-up-to-a-freaky-machine corruption would it not? Other that bob

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Than*

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Why should mr crow of all immortals be able to spew out his corrupted soul?

copper hawk Oct 21, 2018, 2:38 AM

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Because he is an alchemist

plucky swallow Oct 21, 2018, 2:38 AM

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I mean even dale is becoming corrupted by the lake or something but he can’t just be like “alright soul, out you go for a walk” i

copper hawk Oct 21, 2018, 2:38 AM

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he knows stuff like astral projection

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he studied it

plucky swallow Oct 21, 2018, 2:39 AM

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It just seems there is no reason to think that’s true?

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It may well be but I think it’s too early to say that

copper hawk Oct 21, 2018, 2:39 AM

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It what makes the most sense to me at least

plucky swallow Oct 21, 2018, 2:40 AM

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Fair enough 👌

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Everyone has an opinion

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There’s a lot we don’t know, mr crow may be a pro astral projector!

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Oh

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The thing is in seasons Laura is visiting her “memories”

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But changing her “past”

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The question is how does time work in Rusty lake, does changing the part create a new timestream, actually change the past, or will time heal itself and never change?

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Time is cool 👌 ⏳ ⏳⏳

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Also can all the immortals change to full animal form, or only certain ones

manic glade Oct 21, 2018, 2:48 AM

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Really I just want a Diner Dash style game with Chef Frog

plucky swallow Oct 21, 2018, 2:48 AM

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Yes that is brilliant!

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“Your guest is getting angry because he hasn’t recieved his cigars”

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I may actually try that......

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“You only have one guest left. Would you like to cook him?”

manic glade Oct 21, 2018, 2:50 AM

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Heh

copper hawk Oct 21, 2018, 2:50 AM

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Rusty Lake isn't a story about time travel
it's about the memories
how they define you
who you are
what you do
how you feel
Throwing in time travel makes no sense
Those changing in the memories are just that
It shows how changing a memory can affect someone's view on the world and their life
How Dale got more and more confident, less and less traumatized
Yet is lying to yourself a good alternative, when the past says what you know is not the truth ?

plucky swallow Oct 21, 2018, 2:51 AM

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Unless you are trying to make it I won’t steal it from you 😀

manic glade Oct 21, 2018, 2:51 AM

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Oh goodness no

plucky swallow Oct 21, 2018, 2:51 AM

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Alright 😄

manic glade Oct 21, 2018, 2:51 AM

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My creative sphere is music and music alone 😛

plucky swallow Oct 21, 2018, 2:52 AM

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Mines not music, that’s for sure 😛 I like music though of course

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@copper hawk idk...

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It does say change the past

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Though which past????

copper hawk Oct 21, 2018, 2:54 AM

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the past she knows

manic glade Oct 21, 2018, 2:54 AM

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The past is never dead. It's not even the past

plucky swallow Oct 21, 2018, 2:55 AM

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That line almost indicates time weird things

copper hawk Oct 21, 2018, 2:55 AM

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The past is never dead, it's not even past
AKA
it still lives on in your memories, and you can visit it any time you want

plucky swallow Oct 21, 2018, 2:55 AM

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Timey wimey stuff

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:tardis:

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Or access it through your memories

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To improve your current life

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Different topic maybe a paradise parrot flew into the pyre with Jacob and the lake was like “double immortal!”

copper hawk Oct 21, 2018, 2:59 AM

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This "memory" thing is also the actual real meaning behind the actual quote

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or at least it's speculated to be

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quotes are weird

plucky swallow Oct 21, 2018, 3:01 AM

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Yeah quotes are weird 🙃

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It seems like the elixir needs to be replenished every once in a while, or the user dies

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Does that make it an immortality potion or life support?

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Maybe if you stop drinking it you will just start to age normally

copper hawk Oct 21, 2018, 3:17 AM

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It's not the full elixir

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so the power of it diminishes over time

plucky swallow Oct 21, 2018, 3:18 AM

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The full elixir needs the golden cube

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Makes sense
immortality recipe

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dissolve one golden cube in water

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drink

mossy girder Oct 21, 2018, 7:34 AM

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Am on board with the past memories changing theory

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You change what your remember in order to heal your current self

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But past cannot really change

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You just feel less shitty about it

copper hawk Oct 21, 2018, 1:08 PM

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Thank you

shy pecan Oct 21, 2018, 3:01 PM

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But in Seasons you actually change things. Planting the cactus, burning the candle, opening the oven fuel line, releasing Harvey.

copper hawk Oct 21, 2018, 3:13 PM

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You change your memory with a weird device the Lake gave you

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Just like in Birthday

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You only change your memories and the way they connect

shy pecan Oct 21, 2018, 3:31 PM

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But again, you make real changes.

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You can't have a dead bird one moment, remember things differently, and have that bird alive again.

plucky swallow Oct 21, 2018, 3:45 PM

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Right, the only way that could happen with memories was if all seasons were memories, but then where would be the real life?

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I wonder...

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It is most likely just coincidence because I don’t think Samsara and Cube escape are really connected

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But the eggs play a big part in cube escapes

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And samsara ends with a bird in an egg gaining rebirth

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Maybe the bird is Harvey, being reborn

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It starts with a corrupted soul like thing and ends with a bird

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Idk

shy pecan Oct 21, 2018, 4:00 PM

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Think they made Samsara, realized there's a big story there and decided to start the cube escape series?

plucky swallow Oct 21, 2018, 4:01 PM

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Maybe, there’s a lot of stuff pulled from it (rebirth, cubes, kind of William in a clock, corrupted souls)

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It could be samsara was really popular and they thought hmmm, if we restarted and began a storyline, that could be neat

shy pecan Oct 21, 2018, 4:02 PM

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That sounds about right.

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You know what I miss from the early cube escape games that you don't see with the new ones? Ceilings.

plucky swallow Oct 21, 2018, 4:05 PM

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I know, when I first played birthday I was like “where’s the ceiling!?!?” And I’ve been waiting for one to show up ever since 😛

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I don’t think many people share this opinion, but I also miss the scrolling inventory

copper hawk Oct 21, 2018, 5:27 PM

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@shy pecan
Her killing Harvey is just a symbol of her killing herself
Harvey represents her by imitating her scream
And she represents her corruption killing her
So it makes sense that Harvey is still alive since he never actually died

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proof is, he's alive in Mill

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and yet, Laura is dead

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so if it was a way to stop her corruption by going back in time, either they'd both be dead

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or both alive

dreamy dawn Oct 21, 2018, 5:32 PM

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@shy pecan yeeaaaaah i miss the ceilings

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i get them not being in hotel, paradise, or roots

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because with those they were more focused on the scrolling

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but holy christ paradox would've benefitted so much from having a ceiling

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if not for that one puzzle with the clock

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using the ceiling as a reference

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i feel like if you had the ability to look at the ceiling it would've led you to that puzzle's solution easier

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maybe i'm dumb but i just never considered the possibility that it meant the entire room

copper hawk Oct 21, 2018, 5:50 PM

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They didn't include a ceiling for a specific reason

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in Paradox

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If they did, it would've meant doing so in the movie too

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and it would've been hell for lighting, they already had trouble with the camera

dreamy dawn Oct 21, 2018, 5:51 PM

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frick

plucky swallow Oct 21, 2018, 6:03 PM

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there wouldnt have had to be a ceiling in the movie just because there was one in the game

shy pecan Oct 21, 2018, 6:03 PM

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That's not how film works

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You can have things in the game to flesh out the game play without messing with the narrative.

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And I don't see the symbolism in Harvey's death.

copper hawk Oct 21, 2018, 6:08 PM

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Fall is one big symbol of Laura's death
Laura as a soul killing Harvey imitating Laura's scream is a symbolism of the act of killing itself

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and seeing how much they took from the game to do in the movie

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then they would've used the ceiling

shy pecan Oct 21, 2018, 6:12 PM

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Well I'm sorry to say, but I think my initial response to the movie was wrong. It was the fan service that I fell for.

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They honestly didn't have to do a lot of things because they didn't do anything to drive the plot of the story.

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So they would not have had to use a ceiling. Just don't put an Easter egg on the ceiling.

copper hawk Oct 21, 2018, 6:15 PM

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The movie is pretty much there to

make money
show how they can direct a story
touch a larger audience

So pretty much every reason is just to get more people and profit

vague imp Oct 21, 2018, 6:15 PM

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...XD tbh we all know the real reason..

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS5jqXWECbI

YouTube

mikemar42

Fresh Prince - If we so rich....

▶ Play video

copper hawk Oct 21, 2018, 6:16 PM

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but in any case, the film is good

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but they didn't do any new plot with it

shy pecan Oct 21, 2018, 6:16 PM

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Not great

copper hawk Oct 21, 2018, 6:16 PM

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just mash up chapter 1 and 2 together

shy pecan Oct 21, 2018, 6:16 PM

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Which they could have.

copper hawk Oct 21, 2018, 6:17 PM

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but not too much of 2

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to avoid spoilers

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so if they used the ceiling in the game for a puzzle
They would've used it in the film too
since they... just followed the plot of the game...

plucky swallow Oct 21, 2018, 6:20 PM

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There really is no reason why if they put a ceiling in the game it would have to be in the movie too. That really doesn't make any sense 😛

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They don't have any obligation to make them absolutely identical

copper hawk Oct 21, 2018, 6:23 PM

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think about it

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the movie is the game

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if they use the ceiling in one of the two

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they have to use it in the other one

plucky swallow Oct 21, 2018, 6:24 PM

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I'm not going to get into this because that makes very little sense 🙃

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In a way they did use the ceiling, they showed the fan

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so by your logic they could have a fan in the game but no ceiling?

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There were lots of puzzles in the game that didn't show up in the movie

shy pecan Oct 21, 2018, 6:54 PM

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Also that logic is bad for film. These are two different mediums and have their own strengths and weaknesses when it comes to each one's ability to express.

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And them doing something in the game is not good enough reason to do it in the film.

past wren Oct 21, 2018, 10:43 PM

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Just an idea I had, what if Margret Eilander
was Mrs. Owl as her younger age?

errant osprey Oct 21, 2018, 11:14 PM

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omg i couldn't understand who is Mrs. Owl.

past wren Oct 21, 2018, 11:17 PM

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Hey potato, I basically gave everyone the giant clue.

shadow stump Oct 21, 2018, 11:47 PM

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Hello discord. As you may or may not know, there is a rusty lake subreddit. A pretty big full timeline has been released in the last hour by another rusty lake fan. I think it’s really interesting. You should take a look. Here’s a link.

The Full Story of rusty Lake (ALL OF THE SPOILERS)

https://www.reddit.com/r/rustylake/comments/9q7rp5/the_full_story_of_rusty_lake_all_of_the_spoilers/?st=JNJINSKC&sh=54dc6e24

r/rustylake - The Full Story of rusty Lake (ALL OF THE SPOILERS)

10 votes and 1 comment so far on Reddit

manic glade Oct 21, 2018, 11:48 PM

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Ooooh cool

shadow stump Oct 21, 2018, 11:48 PM

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Indeed

manic glade Oct 21, 2018, 11:56 PM

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I always enjoy reading stuff like that, and this one was quite well written

steep cloak Oct 22, 2018, 12:25 AM

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I made that^

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Thanks @shadow stump for letting me know the Discord existed.

shadow stump Oct 22, 2018, 12:28 AM

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No problem :)

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@steep cloak I just noticed your icon. Bladerunner fan?

copper hawk Oct 22, 2018, 12:35 AM

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I'm not gonna start to debate with you over your post for now, since I haven't finished to read it
But you failed to mention that Harvey is on the Paradise Island during the events of RL Paradise @steep cloak

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I think it's important since it's at this moment him and Jakob met for the first time

dreamy dawn Oct 22, 2018, 12:37 AM

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i can sense world war 3 coming up

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the reddit theory and the wikia theory

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with this discord being the casualties

copper hawk Oct 22, 2018, 12:38 AM

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I started the wikia independently with my own theories just to wright them somewhere

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I'm not familiar with the community

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I'm making a list of subjects I want to discuss

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Ok, so first the location of the Lake
I can already feel people sighting at the mention of this theory :3

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then, Van Gogh

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the Corruption

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The "Rabbit soul" outside of the hotel

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(what I call the Whiskers paradox)

plucky swallow Oct 22, 2018, 12:42 AM

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The battlefield is getting gruesome

copper hawk Oct 22, 2018, 12:43 AM

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I'm not gonna attack anybody

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just discuss ideas

plucky swallow Oct 22, 2018, 12:43 AM

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👌

copper hawk Oct 22, 2018, 12:43 AM

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because his timeline doesn't have big theories

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so I want to see what he thinks first

dreamy dawn Oct 22, 2018, 12:49 AM

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you know what they say

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keep your friends close

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and your enemies closer

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i'm joking btw

copper hawk Oct 22, 2018, 12:50 AM

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Ok, so I see you connected the dots for Pheasant's pistol in Birthday
I'm actually impressed, not everyone is able to even see it's the same pistol

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Most of the time people don't pay attention to those kinds of details

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But I'm crazy so I do

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Except we'll have to discuss your conclusion on the subject

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Seasons isn't a doorless room, we can see the door in Case 23
it's doorless because it's an approximated memory

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We'll also have to discuss Spring Harvey's egg

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Also I don't think Crow tormented Laura but tried to help her, since... you know... it's his brother

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and his grand grand grand daughter at the same time

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Idk, should we debate here, or in private and then give a summary here ?

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We'll DEFINITELY have to discuss the "changing of the past"

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Ok I finished

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And I'm kinda exhausted...

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@steep cloak
Let me know when you're able to discuss
I'm gonna... process all of the ideas you gave me
and maybe take a nap...

plucky swallow Oct 22, 2018, 1:58 AM

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Wow that’s a lot of ideas

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I’m theoried out for today

steep cloak Oct 22, 2018, 2:40 AM

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@shadow stump Yes. Only watched it last year, but didn't expect to love it THAT much.

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@copper hawk Okay, I'm ready. Before we start, go to the Reddit and check out my "Mr. Rabbit Explained" post. It might answer some questions.

copper hawk Oct 22, 2018, 2:41 AM

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I'll do that

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I see you have a Paradox theory

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I'll check that too

steep cloak Oct 22, 2018, 2:42 AM

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I don't even remember which one that was.

copper hawk Oct 22, 2018, 2:45 AM

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Ok, so (I didn't read everything, because I get where you're going)
for you, Mr. Rabbit got reincarnated and got back in time when he successfully balanced the essence of his past lives

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Is that it ?

steep cloak Oct 22, 2018, 2:45 AM

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Yeah, basically

copper hawk Oct 22, 2018, 2:45 AM

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Ok

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Time to summon the Whiskers paradox

steep cloak Oct 22, 2018, 2:46 AM

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Somehow through his magician powers he was able to slip through the cracks

copper hawk Oct 22, 2018, 2:46 AM

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One fact I saw almost immediately after finding this "other Rabbit"

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is that outside of the window, the white rabbit has whiskers

steep cloak Oct 22, 2018, 2:47 AM

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I've heard about this

copper hawk Oct 22, 2018, 2:47 AM

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except the soul we see trapped in glass, in the very same game, has no whiskers

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so if they were the same character, you'd assume the devs would use the same sprite

steep cloak Oct 22, 2018, 2:48 AM

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Hmm

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That is interesting

copper hawk Oct 22, 2018, 2:48 AM

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I have

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a theory

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that explains everything

steep cloak Oct 22, 2018, 2:48 AM

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Go ahead

copper hawk Oct 22, 2018, 2:48 AM

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and even how he has a physical human form while he's supposed to be a soul

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The thing is, that rabbit outside the window is just a random hybrid that we know nothing about, pretty much like Mr. Toad

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Mr. Rabbit gets killed and his body is eaten, so he cannot possess it back

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that's how Owl was able to trap them all, at least for a while

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with no physical vessel they were powerless in this world

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except he didn't count the fact that they are also cubes and that cubes are pure energy, so they broke the glass...

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that's beside the point

steep cloak Oct 22, 2018, 2:52 AM

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I don't think it's fair to say Whiskers is a random hybrid. The fact that he appears at the same time as Mr. Rabbit in the room shows that there has to be some connection between the two, whether it's another form of his Soul or just him reincarnated.

copper hawk Oct 22, 2018, 2:52 AM

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after he breaks free, his soul possesses the Rabbit we saw outside and gets his human form
he uses his formal name, D. Eilander, and continues his life as a magician
notice that in Paradox, we never see his face, so it could be his original body or the one of someone else

steep cloak Oct 22, 2018, 2:53 AM

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So you don't believe Whiskers is a Soul?

copper hawk Oct 22, 2018, 2:53 AM

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Whiskers is a hybrid

steep cloak Oct 22, 2018, 2:54 AM

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Then why is he all black?

copper hawk Oct 22, 2018, 2:54 AM

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I think

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it's just a coat

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I looks more like a coat than anything else .-.

steep cloak Oct 22, 2018, 2:55 AM

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But Mr. Rabbit's Soul has that same coat, so the argument's invalid.

copper hawk Oct 22, 2018, 2:55 AM

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and so what ?
Souls can alter what they look like

steep cloak Oct 22, 2018, 2:56 AM

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How do we know that?

copper hawk Oct 22, 2018, 2:56 AM

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Paradox, there is a soul that transforms into a pile of goo

steep cloak Oct 22, 2018, 2:56 AM

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Against its will. Dale forces it back to that form.

copper hawk Oct 22, 2018, 2:56 AM

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and Case 23, Cabin, the soul of Mr. Deer takes many appearances to scare Dale

steep cloak Oct 22, 2018, 2:57 AM

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But he's still fundamentally the same.

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Here's my theory. You agree that Mr. Rabbit's Soul looks radically different from the Souls of his family, correct?

copper hawk Oct 22, 2018, 2:58 AM

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You mean that the corpse of a beheaded deer is "fundamentally the same" as Mr. Deer's soul normal appearance ?

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in that case, a coat is fundamentally the same too

steep cloak Oct 22, 2018, 2:58 AM

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Well, okay. But the beheaded deer doesn't do anything. I consider that more of an omen than anything else.

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Did you see my question?

copper hawk Oct 22, 2018, 2:59 AM

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I mean, he's not so different
it's just that the colours of the head are inverted

steep cloak Oct 22, 2018, 3:00 AM

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And he's wearing that blanket, which none of the others are.

copper hawk Oct 22, 2018, 3:00 AM

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yeah

steep cloak Oct 22, 2018, 3:00 AM

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So here's my theory:

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That's not really David's soul. Or it is, and it's part of his act.

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David's a magician. When his Soul gets trapped he pulls the greatest escape act in history and escapes.

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That blanket and that white head are what he puts over himself so they can get pulled away later to reveal he's disappeared.

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Either that or he's using that as a placeholder so Mr. Owl doesn't realize he's escaped, but that theory doesn't hold up as well.

copper hawk Oct 22, 2018, 3:03 AM

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we can see him escaping with the others so it just doesn't work

steep cloak Oct 22, 2018, 3:04 AM

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As for the whiskers, the best I can come up with is that some time has passed since David escaped. He appears to have some ability to travel through time so he could come back to watch his death.

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EXCEPT WE DON'T

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You didn't finish the Mr. Rabbit theory. Click the link.

copper hawk Oct 22, 2018, 3:05 AM

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huh...

steep cloak Oct 22, 2018, 3:05 AM

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Did you watch it?

copper hawk Oct 22, 2018, 3:06 AM

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what link ?

steep cloak Oct 22, 2018, 3:06 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeeg2pC8Nqs

YouTube

App Unwrapper

Cube Escape Birthday: 1894 Snow Globe Easter Egg From Rusty Lake Hotel

See more here: http://www.appunwrapper.com/2016/02/15/cube-escape-birthday-walkthrough-guide/

▶ Play video

copper hawk Oct 22, 2018, 3:06 AM

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I mean now that you're saying it, I recall that we don't see everybody

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I mean it cuts before we can have a confirmation

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but yeah

steep cloak Oct 22, 2018, 3:07 AM

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We see everybody EXCEPT Mr. Rabbit. Literally everyone else can be seen.

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Considering someone who signs as Mr. Rabbit just stole a substance from a past life minutes before we can view this cutscene, that can't be a coincidence.

copper hawk Oct 22, 2018, 3:09 AM

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hn

steep cloak Oct 22, 2018, 3:09 AM

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And the fact that Mr. Rabbit's Soul looks fundamentally different from the other four. There's definitely something special about him. He's a magician. He's slippery. He's able to mess with time and/or reincarnation in a way no one else can.

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He changed the past and escaped. And the only way he gets put back in his place is when Mr. Crow (as Dale's grandfather) kills him when Dale is in the elevator and changing his memories.

copper hawk Oct 22, 2018, 3:11 AM

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it still doesn't prevents my theory of possession

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he does find a whiskered physical vessel that has a human form

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it's shown in Birthday and Paradox

steep cloak Oct 22, 2018, 3:12 AM

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And in the Cave, we see his Soul with the others, showing that they put him back in his placed so he had to escape with the rest.

copper hawk Oct 22, 2018, 3:12 AM

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so he still has to get a body somehow

steep cloak Oct 22, 2018, 3:12 AM

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He does. I don't really have an explanation for that.

copper hawk Oct 22, 2018, 3:13 AM

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And that's why I say that he can still possess the body of the Rabbit outsi-

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or maybe

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maybe he sent a fake Mr. Rabbit

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because he knew something was up

steep cloak Oct 22, 2018, 3:14 AM

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The only thing I can say is that we are dealing with a universe where a man was reincarnated with organs, timepieces, and a tree. So how he gets that body is not really the question.

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That's possible.

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The one who kills Dale's family?

copper hawk Oct 22, 2018, 3:14 AM

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a Mr. Rabbit that doesn't do good at magic and gets killed by his own trick

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and the real one, David, watches from the window, and then kills Dale's family

steep cloak Oct 22, 2018, 3:15 AM

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Ohhhhh

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That could work actually

plucky swallow Oct 22, 2018, 3:15 AM

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I’ve been watching and that actually makes a lot of sense

steep cloak Oct 22, 2018, 3:15 AM

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But it's still the same one trapped in the cage, right?

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But without whiskers...

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That makes a lot of sense actually.

copper hawk Oct 22, 2018, 3:15 AM

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the one inside the cage is either the soul of the fake Rabbit

steep cloak Oct 22, 2018, 3:15 AM

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But then why does he need the substance from his past life?

copper hawk Oct 22, 2018, 3:16 AM

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or a disguise as you said it

steep cloak Oct 22, 2018, 3:16 AM

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It still has to be him in the cage because he still needs to free himself.

copper hawk Oct 22, 2018, 3:16 AM

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balance the substances of your past life isn't to live again

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it's to achieve enlightenment

steep cloak Oct 22, 2018, 3:17 AM

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Hmmm

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But he still gets trapped with the others when he gets killed in Birthday.

copper hawk Oct 22, 2018, 3:17 AM

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to get freed from the state you're in

steep cloak Oct 22, 2018, 3:17 AM

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So Mr. Crow killing him somehow has to send him back to his cage.

copper hawk Oct 22, 2018, 3:17 AM

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to make a samsara

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and let's face it, unwanted eternal life can be hell

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he wants to stop being immortal, but he doesn't want to die

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so he's trying to get human again

steep cloak Oct 22, 2018, 3:18 AM

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That still doesn't answer why he's with the others in Cave.

copper hawk Oct 22, 2018, 3:19 AM

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um

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maybe

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he did change state

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but instead of getting human, he became corruption

steep cloak Oct 22, 2018, 3:20 AM

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Possible, but then why would he rejoin his family?

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Wouldn't he keep trying?

copper hawk Oct 22, 2018, 3:23 AM

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no hope left, I guess

steep cloak Oct 22, 2018, 3:24 AM

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I like the idea that maybe it's a fake Mr. Rabbit, but to me, the only way the changing of the past in Birthday works out is if it's really him in that cage.

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At least to start.

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Oh, well. We could theorize about that for a while. Let's focus on some the other stuff you wanted to mention on the timeline.

copper hawk Oct 22, 2018, 3:27 AM

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The thing is

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the past never changed

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Dale says that HIS MEMORIES are changing

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not his past

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and if the past could be changed, then there would only be a timeline with either both Laura and Harvey dead, or both alive

steep cloak Oct 22, 2018, 3:28 AM

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That's one of the things you wanted to talk about, right?

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Because Laura kills Harvey?

copper hawk Oct 22, 2018, 3:30 AM

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In Fall she "does"
Her killing Harvey did not happen, it's just a symbolism of "her" as a soul killing "her" as a screaming lady

steep cloak Oct 22, 2018, 3:30 AM

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Exactly

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Plus we see Harvey alive in the Mill, so we know he's not dead.

copper hawk Oct 22, 2018, 3:30 AM

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yeah

steep cloak Oct 22, 2018, 3:30 AM

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The Room isn't real. Dale does see it briefly but then it fades.

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It's in her mind.

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The stuff that happens in there isn't necessarily literal.

copper hawk Oct 22, 2018, 3:31 AM

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well

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I like to think that the deeper you go

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the less it's real

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and the more you get into symbolism

steep cloak Oct 22, 2018, 3:32 AM

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Like Paradox

copper hawk Oct 22, 2018, 3:32 AM

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and this works with every single memory we see

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something normal
more and more symbolism
weird device
changing of the memory

steep cloak Oct 22, 2018, 3:33 AM

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Going back a little bit, the one thing they repeat over and over is that the past is never dead. It's not even past. The past can change. We see this in the first game.

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And I believe that's what's happening in the elevator.

copper hawk Oct 22, 2018, 3:37 AM

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Spring
Fall
Winter
The corruption is destroyed

Birthday
Dale collecting objects
The present
Mr. Rabbit is killed

Bob's interrogation
The shows
Whatever contraption the show asks you to use
Bob kills himself

Dale getting therapy for his trauma and his energy draining from the case
Pretty much everything else
The therapy contraption
Dale "becomes the killer", to let go of the case

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it works every time

steep cloak Oct 22, 2018, 3:38 AM

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So you don't believe it's literal

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?

copper hawk Oct 22, 2018, 3:38 AM

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No it's not

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almost everything in Paradox is symbolism

steep cloak Oct 22, 2018, 3:39 AM

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I agree that Paradox is symbolism and it didn't really happen.

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But we have specific, literal references to changing the past in multiple games. I don't think we can ignore that.

copper hawk Oct 22, 2018, 3:39 AM

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from him "reflecting on his changing of minds"
by literally changing brains in front of a mirror
to "trace back the journey of his life"
by tracing a journey on a map of the events of his life

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I mean

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it's some heavy symbolism here

steep cloak Oct 22, 2018, 3:40 AM

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Paradox is definitely symbolic. I presented it as a test for Dale in my timeline.

copper hawk Oct 22, 2018, 3:40 AM

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It's not really a test

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more of a final therapy

steep cloak Oct 22, 2018, 3:41 AM

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It kind of is, though.

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Dale's trapped by his own mental health (there is definitely therapy in there), forced to relive slightly different universes over and over until he finally makes the right choice and sacrifices himself for Laura. Then he's able to escape.

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The memories are therapy, too. I just think that Mr. Crow and Mr. Owl have more than one motive when they send him to those specific memories.

copper hawk Oct 22, 2018, 3:42 AM

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the blue vial universes are therapy
heavy heavy heavy symbolism all over the place

steep cloak Oct 22, 2018, 3:43 AM

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Red vial is him being passive. Blue vial is him straight up being the killer and making the wrong choice. Green vial is him sacrificing and making the right choice.

copper hawk Oct 22, 2018, 3:44 AM

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therapy room, check
telling his life, check
reflecting on his past trauma, check
trying to figure out his present, check
thinking of the future, check
facing his emotions, check
trying to be at peace with his inner demon by embracing it, fucking check

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yes, the 4 Dales are his emotions

steep cloak Oct 22, 2018, 3:45 AM

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I'm not denying it's therapy. I just focus on the fact that there are even more universes we don't see. He's trapped to make the same wrong choices over and over until he finally figures it out.

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Only then do they let him out. So it's therapy and a test.

copper hawk Oct 22, 2018, 3:46 AM

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there is normal Dale, that has been drained from all vital energy, and is now dead
corrupt Dale, pretty straight forward
depressed Dale that hanged himself
and murder Dale that likes to use the heads of his victims as masks and give knifes to people

steep cloak Oct 22, 2018, 3:47 AM

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There's a lot of Dales.

copper hawk Oct 22, 2018, 3:47 AM

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there are only those 4

steep cloak Oct 22, 2018, 3:48 AM

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What's movie Dale?

copper hawk Oct 22, 2018, 3:48 AM

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it's a remanence from another "universe"

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note that only the statue of normal Dale was on the gate

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which symbolizes that Dale only accepted his facade self as part of him and denied the others

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but with only one aspect of yourself, you can't open the door and see who you truly are

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yes

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symbolism EVERYWHERE

steep cloak Oct 22, 2018, 3:50 AM

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Which gate are we talking here? The one with Crow and Owl and Woman and Soul?

copper hawk Oct 22, 2018, 3:50 AM

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no, the one with the 4 corruption statues

steep cloak Oct 22, 2018, 3:52 AM

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Ah.

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That's a pretty good analysis.

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You wanted to talk about Harvey?

copper hawk Oct 22, 2018, 3:54 AM

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did I ?

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Oh yeah

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About the easter egg of Harvey in Paradise

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I think it's kinda important since it shows both when Harvey and Owl met

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and how old this fucking bird is

steep cloak Oct 22, 2018, 4:04 AM

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I like how we have a pretty good understanding of most of the major characters and their pasts but we still have NO FREAKING IDEA what the deal with Harvey is.

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Like he's turned from bird to hybrid to bird and we have no clue how or when.

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Yeah, I'd forgotten about him in Paradise.

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I haven't actually played the premium games, I watched the walkthroughs for the stroies.

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stories

copper hawk Oct 22, 2018, 4:08 AM

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Harvey and Van Gogh

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the two biggest mysteries of this series

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also Magritte

steep cloak Oct 22, 2018, 4:12 AM

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Magritte?

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Also, yeah, Van Gogh has no connection to anything.

shy pecan Oct 22, 2018, 4:39 AM

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I thought it was established that Van Gogh was reincarnated as Dale.

steep cloak Oct 22, 2018, 4:39 AM

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...no...but continue...

shy pecan Oct 22, 2018, 4:40 AM

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In Paradox Dale must balance the substance of his past lives, and one of them is Van Gogh's ear.

steep cloak Oct 22, 2018, 4:40 AM

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Hmmm

granite karma Oct 22, 2018, 4:41 AM

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could be someone else's ear

shy pecan Oct 22, 2018, 4:48 AM

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You get the ear from the painting, Bedroom in Airls.

honest magnet Oct 22, 2018, 4:49 AM

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about Magritte, a lot of his paintings seem to have visually inspired Rusty Lake, particularly the Cube Escape games. like this one looks a lot like Harvey's Box

📎 ren-magritte-35.png

copper hawk Oct 22, 2018, 4:49 AM

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What is established is that Van Gogh was an important figure in one of Dale's past lives

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either directly him, a friend, or something else

past wren Oct 23, 2018, 8:46 PM

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Was wondering about Gogahn, how does he play into the entire Cube Escape theme, I love and Visited the VanGogh when it was in Chicago in 2ks, my mom has a beautiful Gogahn in the living room, I have post cards that are of Van's arts.

plucky swallow Oct 25, 2018, 7:20 PM

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Van Gohs a pretty big mystery

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It is hinted he may be related to the eilanders

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Hmm...

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Probably a coincidence but Van Gogh has a sister named elisabeth 🙃

copper hawk Oct 25, 2018, 7:22 PM

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He is related in some way to Dale, too

plucky swallow Oct 25, 2018, 7:24 PM

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...

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I feel like they are working him in a bit at a time, game by game

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To fit him in somehow

copper hawk Oct 25, 2018, 7:26 PM

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Somehow

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like

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"In fact it was all just a painting"

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XD

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Or a fever dream

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your choice

plucky swallow Oct 25, 2018, 7:27 PM

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Yep 😂

hollow raptor Oct 25, 2018, 7:27 PM

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i swear to god almost every game, series or movie nowadays has this "it was all a dream" theory 🙈

copper hawk Oct 25, 2018, 7:27 PM

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because it's easy

plucky swallow Oct 25, 2018, 7:28 PM

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It explains everything

copper hawk Oct 25, 2018, 7:28 PM

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everything can make sense

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because nothing makes sense

hollow raptor Oct 25, 2018, 7:28 PM

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still it's just lazy

copper hawk Oct 25, 2018, 7:28 PM

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and everyone is happy

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except for the ones that want a real explanation

plucky swallow Oct 25, 2018, 7:29 PM

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rusty lake turns out to be all a dream

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Darn

copper hawk Oct 25, 2018, 7:29 PM

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even if it's a dream, there is some kind of consistency

plucky swallow Oct 25, 2018, 7:29 PM

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Yeah

copper hawk Oct 25, 2018, 7:29 PM

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and we can work it out

plucky swallow Oct 25, 2018, 7:30 PM

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Most of it at least 😀

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Some is just surreal

copper hawk Oct 25, 2018, 7:31 PM

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For example, Undertale has this "theory" confirmed
It's all just a game, made by the Annoying Dog
But since there is an actual story, even if it's a game in its own universe, you can just talk about it as "the story the game wants you to think about", instead of "the actual story"

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and it still makes sense

plucky swallow Oct 25, 2018, 7:31 PM

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Exactly ^

copper hawk Oct 25, 2018, 7:31 PM

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and you can still do theories

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and it holds up

plucky swallow Oct 25, 2018, 7:32 PM

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Right you don’t have to stop theorizing

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You’re just theorizing about a story

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Which is already happening since it’s a game

copper hawk Oct 25, 2018, 7:32 PM

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but for some stories, the hole theory IS the dream, or it throws out everything else

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that's why it's hated so much

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it's a simple solution that explains everything with no efforts and can destroy the work of everyone else so far

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But it would surprise me

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The story holds up on its own, it's really consistent, it has a logic and all

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saying it was a dream would only be confusing

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how a 200 years timeline would fit inside a dream ?

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and be so consistent

vague imp Oct 25, 2018, 8:11 PM

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unrelated but FFX did that and it fit 1000 years in its "dream" like story..

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so i guess in reality..it isnt that much of a stretch

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if it was true.

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that is

copper hawk Oct 25, 2018, 8:13 PM

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huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh

vague imp Oct 25, 2018, 8:16 PM

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but being honest imo i highly doubt its a dream

past wren Oct 25, 2018, 11:54 PM

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It seems like more of a dream, though I kind of figured it out, since it was every one's else's dream, ergo that is why they wore their alter ego masks.

languid lantern Oct 26, 2018, 11:01 AM

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Ooh Dale

steep cloak Oct 27, 2018, 7:46 PM

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I mean, we are kind of in that phase right now, because we've known from the first game that Laura manages to change her past, rendering most of the games irrelevant, but they're still releasing them to enhance the story.

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Also, someone left a comment on my timeline that's rather compelling. I think most people assume that The Cave and Paradox take place after Birthday and Theatre because of release order. But someone noted that the elevator's moving up in Birthday and Theatre, which wouldn't get Dale to the white cube at the bottom. So they theorized that maybe The Cave and Paradox take place before Birthday and Theatre. What do you guys think?

past wren Oct 27, 2018, 9:11 PM

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I think that Cave and Paradox is in another level, of the same hotel, with like Birthday and Theater takes place below the hotel, not the game but a hotel in itself, as you can never really see what is on the other side of the hotel game, but you really push an elevator button, and as it goes up. There is Birthday as one level, like a house next door to where Paradox puts like on the map, of any brain puzzle. It is somewhat in the same cube, as the wallpapers does cordinate in each suite there is. You really can almost see the shadows of each room. In that matter as I mentioned above, each guest of the hotel wears another mask, because they are afraid of each cop in town arrested them. I also think Seasons is a teleporter game that allows you to move in and out of each game, since there is no limitation of every other game, in each storyline - you slowly become a shadow - ergo you do see more then one shadow over in the clock - that is where it teleports Dale. As Dale become more like a grumpy old grandpa...

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You can see each line underneath his eyes grow even more deeper and deeper, for each mask it does dance within - like on the moon with the telescope - you do understand why those numbers show up from 1887 to 1920ish. Of where Van Gogh only has his place, he does take Dale underneath his wing and grow as blood brothers - or even distant relatives - you only see every other holiday type of deal. As time ticks on - you start to drift and wonder on plants.

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On how to take care of each plant right? Ala Roots, where you can really sink in each blood root - the distant family of Van Gogh - who does offer for Dale's unfortunate event Sunflowers -

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Sun flowers a perfect symbol of sunny throughout his soul .

steep ocean Oct 27, 2018, 10:02 PM

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I think that Paradox and Seasons happen during The Cave, in the heads of Dale and Laura while they are in that machine, and when Dale gets the golden cube at the end of chapter 2 that would be the end of The Cave (when he also gets the golden cube) then he goes up in the elevator, what would be the "start" of Birthday and Theater (sorry about my english)

copper hawk Oct 27, 2018, 11:19 PM

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In birthday the elevator goes down, btw

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If I remember correctly

steep ocean Oct 28, 2018, 12:02 AM

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Actually, I just checked here, and the elevator goes up. Just watch it here: https://youtu.be/V-XyDvVXDGs

YouTube

Rusty Lake

Cube Escape: Birthday Walkthrough [Rusty Lake]

Walkthrough for Cube Escape: Birthday Welcome to your 9th birthday, winter 1939. There is cake, music and a mysterious present. However, the mood changes qui...

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copper hawk Oct 28, 2018, 12:03 AM

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huh

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I mean it could be after, since he has one hand behind his back

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but it doesn't change much

manic glade Oct 28, 2018, 12:18 AM

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@charred sonnet Stop

charred sonnet Oct 28, 2018, 12:18 AM

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ok

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sorry :/

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heeh

manic glade Oct 28, 2018, 12:19 AM

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No idea what you're trying to do, but whatever it is this channel isn't the place for it

charred sonnet Oct 28, 2018, 12:19 AM

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Ok man, chill out 😄

manic glade Oct 28, 2018, 12:20 AM

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rolls eyes

charred sonnet Oct 28, 2018, 12:20 AM

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hehe

copper hawk Oct 28, 2018, 12:21 AM

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what happened ? .-.

charred sonnet Oct 28, 2018, 12:21 AM

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i just sent some messages then deleted them

copper hawk Oct 28, 2018, 12:25 AM

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hn

charred sonnet Oct 28, 2018, 12:26 AM

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😃

dreamy dawn Oct 28, 2018, 6:01 PM

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hey @copper hawk when you get back i wanna ask you, what's your theory with aldous being dale's grandfather?

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because i don't keep up on these theories and i wanna know your current stance on it

copper hawk Oct 28, 2018, 9:08 PM

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@dreamy dawn
https://rusty-lake-theories.wikia.com/wiki/Rusty_Lake_Theories_Wiki#Family_connections

Rusty Lake Theories Wiki

This wikipage is made to register every plausible theories about the Rusty Lake/ Cube Escape series of escape games. Feel free to add any theories you want, as long as they make some sort of sense...

dreamy dawn Oct 28, 2018, 9:10 PM

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oh

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cool

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i was thinking about it earlier and i began wondering if aldous was even in the real birthday party at all

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because the birthday party as we see it we know is a load of bull with the lake basically adding stuff to his memory

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and dale's grandpa wasn't in the mind of the past birthday party

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so unless dale doesn't like his grandpa at all

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and because his grandpa was the one who knew what was gonna happen

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i was thinking if aldous being there was just crow super imposing himself onto the memory basically

copper hawk Oct 28, 2018, 9:14 PM

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Sure, but in that case, how would the family have Mrs. Pheasant's pistol, that is the only reason for Mr. Rabbit to kill everyone ?
And how would Harvey know the family so well that he knows Dale's birth in Roots and sends a birthday letter to Dale in 1939 ?

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If it indeed is Aldous, then those two questions are easily answered :
Hotel

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Also, we know Aldous likes to steal stuff from the hotel :
his soul is the one that gave the deer skull to Albert

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most likely the actual Mr. Deer skull, and not just the one he had in his room
since it's a vessel to amplify his mystical powers

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since Mr. Deer had part of the Lake powers, to be turned into a hybrid

steep cloak Oct 28, 2018, 11:00 PM

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Having Birthday and Theatre take place after Cave ad Paradox doesn't change much, but it does redefine the sotry a little bit. It gives a new way of looking at it and now I'm kind of thinking the end of Hotel (where the elevator brings Dale into the Hotel) is the end of his elevator ride and we haven't seen what happens after.

copper hawk Oct 28, 2018, 11:01 PM

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It always has been, actually

plucky swallow Oct 29, 2018, 2:57 AM

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How does the cabin connect to the hotel by elevator? It must be a very crooked elevator shaft

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😀

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Wow, I never thought of theatre and birthday after paradox. I knew the elevator went the ‘wrong’ way, but I never thought why

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It make sense kinda, we see the games going back in time

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Paradox/cave , theatre, birthday, and then hotel but backward

copper hawk Oct 29, 2018, 3:02 AM

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they don't connect, Dale had to walk in the forrest to get to the giant cube

plucky swallow Oct 29, 2018, 3:03 AM

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Ok, that makes more sense

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Which game has him walking?

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Actually it shows in cave on the wall

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Btw @copper hawk I found that the white rabbit appears in Paradox chapter one briefly

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Idk if someone’s mentioned it

copper hawk Oct 29, 2018, 3:09 AM

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huh

plucky swallow Oct 29, 2018, 3:17 AM

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it doesnt reveal anything tho

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also the ceiling in Paradox is the same as the floor @copper hawk

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Which doesnt reveal anything either

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

past wren Oct 29, 2018, 9:33 PM

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I guess through hypnosis or sleep depraved, the White Rabbit has Mrs. Pigeon's pistol, maybe they trade secrets over time. Behind the doorways.

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wow

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look at the top pic

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copper hawk Oct 31, 2018, 2:27 AM

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Yeah, I already saw it
In fact it was already posted here and promoted by the rusty Lake account XD

plucky swallow Oct 31, 2018, 3:26 AM

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It’s pretty detailed

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Got a lot of stuff

copper hawk Oct 31, 2018, 3:28 AM

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It's a real mess XD

plucky swallow Oct 31, 2018, 3:30 AM

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Good mess or bad mess? 😛

copper hawk Oct 31, 2018, 3:58 AM

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messy mess

past wren Nov 1, 2018, 6:06 PM

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Wait what, David is the white rabbit? HE is too dumb.

plucky swallow Nov 3, 2018, 3:22 AM

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Why is mr deer the “god”of the recurring wheel?

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Or is that just a reference to his leadership in Paradise?

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Also mr owl is the hell in paradise I think

copper hawk Nov 3, 2018, 11:11 AM

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We don't know for sure which one is the god and which one is hell

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we know the two oppose each other and that the Eilander thought the Owl was the god

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but "The owls are not what they seam"

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and let's face it

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Jakob is a dick

plucky swallow Nov 3, 2018, 11:35 AM

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Woah!

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Why? 😄

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I mean as mr owl definitely

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Hard not to be when your killing all of your guests

ancient blade Nov 3, 2018, 12:10 PM

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And forcing a detective to a mind puzzle

shy pecan Nov 3, 2018, 3:31 PM

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And forcing you to watch theater. Who does that?

ancient blade Nov 3, 2018, 3:34 PM

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And making them relive one of the most painful moments of their lives...

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And making them rush in a cabin just because he left one of his corrupted souls get away.

shy pecan Nov 3, 2018, 3:39 PM

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So I watched this video on youtube from a guy named Folding Ideas, and it made me think I'm looking at the story all wrong.

copper hawk Nov 3, 2018, 3:40 PM

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what video ?

shy pecan Nov 3, 2018, 3:44 PM

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Should I post it? If so, where?

copper hawk Nov 3, 2018, 3:53 PM

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wherever

shy pecan Nov 3, 2018, 3:55 PM

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I'll put it in the cabin

past wren Nov 3, 2018, 8:55 PM

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Jackob and Mr. Owl. straight up on drugs.

ancient blade Nov 3, 2018, 9:07 PM

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They are the same person.

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Different times.

shy pecan Nov 3, 2018, 9:10 PM

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Different drugs

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"wanna get high?" "Get high? Buddy I'm straight up turning into an owl!"

past wren Nov 3, 2018, 9:35 PM

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Exactly Lobster Fox hahahaa 😃

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"Different times eh, meaning different drugs...OMG how the heck am I sprouting wings?"

shy pecan Nov 3, 2018, 10:56 PM

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"I am becoming the lake!" His own shouts sound distant.

past wren Nov 3, 2018, 11:59 PM

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LOL sounds too comical, at least it has some comedy to break away from the horror , @shy pecan

plucky swallow Nov 4, 2018, 4:43 AM

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I’ve been looking at the wheel of life

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And it seems weird

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In both paradise and paradox, the demigod (hybrid) stage is switched with the hell (forest) stage, and the deer is portrayed as the god

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Which is also interesting because mr deer is the leader in Paradise, as well as the one who’s skull produces the black spots in Paradox, appears beheaded to Dale in both case 23 and Paradox, and gives Albert godly powers over Samuel and Ida

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Although there is nothing in hotel to indicate he is the leader

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📎 image0.jpg

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Never has this been more true

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Actually

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If the stages on the wheel in Paradox and Paradise are not in the right order

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That means it is ambiguous whether mr crow or mr owl is actually the god

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Although the fact that they chose mr deer to be at the top instead of mr owl is interesting

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🤔🤔🤔

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Could mr deer be thwarting mr owl’s plan to get back at his son?

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Trying to stop Dale from finding Laura

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And getting into the elevator

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And causing him to fall and hit his head

plucky swallow Nov 4, 2018, 1:42 PM

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@copper hawk any thoughts?

copper hawk Nov 4, 2018, 2:02 PM

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One will die, the other will be enlightened
The Owl, the chosen one
The owls are not what they seem

All three sentences took directly from Paradise

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@plucky swallow

plucky swallow Nov 4, 2018, 2:02 PM

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Hmm 🤔

copper hawk Nov 4, 2018, 2:03 PM

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And in Hotel, Deer has a personality switch (just like the others)

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He goes from a religious fanatics cult leader
To a researcher

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He does researches on the Lake and the Hotel

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But more in the theory style than the scientific style

plucky swallow Nov 4, 2018, 2:05 PM

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Except for mr boar, he is almost identical
How does Margaret switch?
Elizabeth switches because all she cares about is looks
David... idk

copper hawk Nov 4, 2018, 2:08 PM

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Boar : dumb pig -> politician
Margaret : old traditionalist -> young electricity inventor
Elizabeth : blind that don't care about her looks -> actress obsessed over what she looks like (that's why they don't really look alike, she embellishes herself)
David : practical -> magician

shy pecan Nov 4, 2018, 2:09 PM

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David's always been pretty magical what with the turning into a fly man and surviving being frozen.

copper hawk Nov 4, 2018, 2:09 PM

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No that's just Lake logic

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X)

shy pecan Nov 4, 2018, 2:10 PM

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I like how he says he hopes he's not the one that dies, and I'm like yeah you'd just somehow escape that too.

plucky swallow Nov 4, 2018, 2:10 PM

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Ikr

copper hawk Nov 4, 2018, 2:10 PM

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X)

plucky swallow Nov 4, 2018, 2:10 PM

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David isn’t really any more down to earth than the rest of them

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I can see margaret, mr deer, and Elizabeth for sure though

shy pecan Nov 4, 2018, 2:11 PM

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Not to mention he has frogs coming out of his mouth.

plucky swallow Nov 4, 2018, 2:11 PM

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Right

copper hawk Nov 4, 2018, 2:11 PM

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No, he doesn't...

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It's...

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It's the same frog....

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Yeah it's disgusting...

plucky swallow Nov 4, 2018, 2:11 PM

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I don’t think he is any more down to earth then 😀

copper hawk Nov 4, 2018, 2:12 PM

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Hnnnn

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More sceptical ?

plucky swallow Nov 4, 2018, 2:13 PM

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And I’d have to say even for a politician, mr boar is still a pretty dumb pig
Although they all were pretty clueless that someone was trying to kill them

shy pecan Nov 4, 2018, 2:14 PM

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Well with the exception of Ms Pheasant.

copper hawk Nov 4, 2018, 2:14 PM

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I mean, he's a dumb pig that eats his own shit and avoids responsibilities by smoking...
So by definition he's a politician...

shy pecan Nov 4, 2018, 2:15 PM

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You're not wrong

copper hawk Nov 4, 2018, 2:15 PM

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I don't have a really high estim about politics

plucky swallow Nov 4, 2018, 2:15 PM

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Exactly @copper hawk 😂 that’s what I was thinking

shy pecan Nov 4, 2018, 2:17 PM

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I'm actually thinking that the guests in Hotel are not the actual people from Paradise. I think the family wore the masks because of a symbolic representation of the events they believed would happen in hotel.

copper hawk Nov 4, 2018, 2:18 PM

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But then

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D. Eilander

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The magician

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I mean...

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There are not many D. Eilander represented by a rabbit and that do magic

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So it has to be David
So the others really are "the others"

shy pecan Nov 4, 2018, 2:20 PM

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I honestly don't know what to do with that info. That confused me.

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It also occurred to me that Mr. Owl could be crazy like the Twin Peaks character Benjamin Horne was imagining he was a civil war general.

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But that doesn't make sense either.

plucky swallow Nov 4, 2018, 2:38 PM

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Because why did they achieve immortality also?

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That wasn’t the point of the ritual

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That part is unclear to me

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Also why is it “death” of the first born?

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I think we are missing something...

past wren Nov 5, 2018, 12:14 AM

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I am wondering though, about if brown rabbit and white are like cousins, distant cousins, of where they could be the two boys in roots. Who started with the game.

plucky swallow Nov 5, 2018, 12:17 AM

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Frank and Leonard?

past wren Nov 5, 2018, 12:18 AM

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Now here is my deep theory of Roots, seeing how everything deals with either nature, or family, on one side of the coin you see how different the kids can play, as each graduated into adult hood. There is a linkage in between Albert and Samuel, seeing how both are friends first, then slowly become two different people. In relationships not too much, Albert becomes a deity throughout time, as well as seeing on how Ida could of predict it too, no matter what it remakes the ladies of the entire game, it is either a bird or a symbol of a bird.

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Frank and Leonard, the distant cousins if the family will of ranked up in different matter.

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I am starting to wonder with the time pieces, and to suitcases with tarot cards, even though I am highly familiar with tarot cards. I am just wondering why random numbers for each level? Maybe it keeps the mind just wondering throughout time. No pun intended.

copper hawk Nov 5, 2018, 12:52 AM

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first of all, White and brown rabbit are seen in 1893, so before James had kids...

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And is it to hard to accept that David is both Rabbits ?

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at least he's the brown in hotel and the white in birthday

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At that point, the devs can't be more direct

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they even confirmed it's him by putting his name

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I mean...

steep cloak Nov 5, 2018, 12:57 AM

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Oh boy we're back to the rabbits.

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I call back on the most compelling evidence that they're all David: David has one white nipple and one brown nipple, which is definitely not a coincidence.

copper hawk Nov 5, 2018, 12:58 AM

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wat ?

steep cloak Nov 5, 2018, 12:59 AM

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Now they may not be directly the same people, because the Lake does weird reincarnation stuff and there are definite personality changes, but they are strongly connected.

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@copper hawk When he's frozen in the Hail plague. You can see his nipples are different colors.

copper hawk Nov 5, 2018, 1:00 AM

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huh

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maybe

past wren Nov 5, 2018, 1:31 AM

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niiiiiiiippppppppllllle hahahaa 😄

plucky swallow Nov 5, 2018, 2:57 AM

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Rusty lake likes nipples 😃

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nice eye @steep cloak I would never have noticed that in a million years

vague imp Nov 5, 2018, 8:49 AM

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I may have understood something wrong, but why Mr Crow extracted Laura's dark memories in Mill ? Was it intentionnal ? Or a mistake ?

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Because the lake seems corrupted by the black cube

plucky swallow Nov 5, 2018, 11:55 AM

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@vague imp I think he meant to, even though Mr Owl warned him, but he wasn’t careful enough

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That’s how I saw it at least

vague imp Nov 5, 2018, 2:47 PM

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Yeah, I think you're right 🤔

past wren Nov 5, 2018, 9:55 PM

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What was Mr. Crows intentions throughout the entire games though? Seriously.... what is going on?

copper hawk Nov 5, 2018, 10:11 PM

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he was feeding the lake memories

past wren Nov 5, 2018, 10:13 PM

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So basically without Mr. Crow, there would of been no lake to splash about?

copper hawk Nov 5, 2018, 10:15 PM

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there would still be a lake

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but the Lake would at least stop growing

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the Lake is an entity that exists by absorbing the memories and making them part of him

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more or less

past wren Nov 5, 2018, 10:23 PM

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So the lake covers everything . So the lake does its own work around puzzles. Memories lodged in the hippocampus, that will never seem to delete, about the family...

plucky swallow Nov 5, 2018, 11:56 PM

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The thing is, who built the white cube under the water?

manic glade Nov 5, 2018, 11:58 PM

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Oh that was me

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I get bored sometimes

plucky swallow Nov 6, 2018, 12:01 AM

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XD

copper hawk Nov 6, 2018, 12:23 AM

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That thing actually was here before Paradise

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As we can see it (black) at the end of the game

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And yes, it's the absolute same, down to the placement and branches of the trees that surrounds it

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So it's... Quite old...

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And I suspect the Lake built it itself

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Either that, or it's actually the 10 cubes from Caroline's memories that fused in one giant cube

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If not, then... It's just there... I guess...

plucky swallow Nov 6, 2018, 12:52 AM

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Yeah that’s what I was thinking

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I saw it in paradise and I realized it wasn’t mr owl

past wren Nov 6, 2018, 2:33 AM

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So I am starting to wonder about my Harvey idea, if it was the bald guy who is uncovered by the huge red cloth, taken by Harvey's flight pattern in the cage, leaving a few cubes. I think there is no other place of where the cage was though, could of Harvey been the guy? Same cage as the hand?

plucky swallow Nov 6, 2018, 2:57 AM

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Which guy do you mean @past wren ?

copper hawk Nov 6, 2018, 3:41 AM

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No, Harvey is Harvey, and the "bald guy" is Mr. Owl, also known as Jakob Eilander

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Did you really play and understand every game ?

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@past wren

plucky swallow Nov 6, 2018, 12:09 PM

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I’m not totally sure what you’re trying to say Williamson, but it is shown that the bald dude is Mr. Owl, when he takes the extract in Cave

copper hawk Nov 6, 2018, 12:11 PM

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and even in Paradox

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he's saying that because Jakob and Harvey are under the same red drape, they may be the same guy...

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But I mean, you should really finish all the games before trying to theorize, there are many things like that that are already clarified directly by the devs x)

plucky swallow Nov 6, 2018, 12:13 PM

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Plus Harvey is on the bald guy’s shoulder in Theatre

copper hawk Nov 6, 2018, 12:14 PM

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And by the way

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Don't try to take anything in Paradox that wasn't already confirmed in other games too literally

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It's a gigantic mess of symbolism

plucky swallow Nov 6, 2018, 12:15 PM

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It is in a machine too

copper hawk Nov 6, 2018, 12:16 PM

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That's a theory
A really probable theory
But there are not many proofs of that
Mostly speculation

plucky swallow Nov 6, 2018, 12:17 PM

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Well there are a lot of proofs tbh

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Of course it is just a theory though

copper hawk Nov 6, 2018, 12:18 PM

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I think I have a bit of lag

languid lantern Nov 6, 2018, 2:33 PM

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The animals and Hotel are different people so I say they are reincarnations of Mr Owl family

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Considering they were all born decades after Paradise

copper hawk Nov 6, 2018, 2:34 PM

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I mean they're immortal so their age is really just a number

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so basing theories on that isn't the best idea

hollow raptor Nov 6, 2018, 2:35 PM

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yeah their age is just a number, but their birth dates do not match up with the eilanders
so either they are different people or later born reincarnations

copper hawk Nov 6, 2018, 2:37 PM

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what birth dates ?

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we only have their "age", or at least the age they're stuck in

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as far as I'm aware

hollow raptor Nov 6, 2018, 2:38 PM

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nvm, I thought they gave birth years as well

copper hawk Nov 6, 2018, 2:40 PM

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Yeah, he calculated their birth date based on their age

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But in that case, age isn't a fixed number

hollow raptor Nov 6, 2018, 2:42 PM

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but if these are the ages they were stuck, Nicholas would only be 15 back when elizabeth was born....and margaret is definetly older than Mrs Pigeon

copper hawk Nov 6, 2018, 2:42 PM

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As I thought, birth date are calculated

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The Lake can give immortality, I guess it can make people younger

vague imp Nov 6, 2018, 2:51 PM

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But Mr Owl looked like he was dying in Cave, right ?

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Or maybe this is just an effect of the elixir

copper hawk Nov 6, 2018, 3:03 PM

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he was dying of lack of oxygen

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they're eternal but not unkillable

shy pecan Nov 6, 2018, 3:10 PM

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Well he still needed some extract. He was in pretty rough shape even after having air.

past wren Nov 6, 2018, 5:32 PM

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Red : I did play every game, but only one time through, working way up with Case 23 currently. The first time I ever saw the shadow it spooked me out in Seasons, still I am so used to him/her/it now these days.

Green pixel : Oh thought the bald dude towards the middle part of Paradox was Harvey since he was standing up at near the cage.

languid lantern Nov 6, 2018, 7:08 PM

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There are reincarnations of the family member guys

copper hawk Nov 6, 2018, 7:09 PM

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Whatever it is, they are the same people

languid lantern Nov 6, 2018, 7:09 PM

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the same soul

copper hawk Nov 6, 2018, 7:09 PM

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I don't care

hollow raptor Nov 6, 2018, 7:09 PM

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very likely, but not confirmed

languid lantern Nov 6, 2018, 7:10 PM

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But there different people look how different Laura

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Is from her former self

copper hawk Nov 6, 2018, 7:10 PM

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because William didn't "reincarnate", he possessed a new vessel

languid lantern Nov 6, 2018, 7:11 PM

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@copper hawk You’re sensitive or I should say dying on the wrong hill

copper hawk Nov 6, 2018, 7:11 PM

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he possessed the body of Laura before a soul formed into the foetus

languid lantern Nov 6, 2018, 7:12 PM

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I would say the same for the animals in hotel but we know they born decades after the events in Paradise they all had different professions,

copper hawk Nov 6, 2018, 7:12 PM

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No, we don't know that

languid lantern Nov 6, 2018, 7:12 PM

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He did. Not possessed the body the body was made particularly for him in that elaborate ritual

copper hawk Nov 6, 2018, 7:12 PM

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We only know the ages they are during the events of Hotel

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it's the only thing we know

languid lantern Nov 6, 2018, 7:12 PM

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I know their age and professional we know their birthdays

copper hawk Nov 6, 2018, 7:13 PM

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We don't know their birthday

languid lantern Nov 6, 2018, 7:13 PM

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I know their age and professional you know their birthdays

copper hawk Nov 6, 2018, 7:13 PM

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their birthdays were calculated based on their age

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but "age" for an immortal being isn't as straight forward as it is for us

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it can be their real age, or the age they look like they are, in which case, they can be infinitely older

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It's literally just a number that means nothing to them

languid lantern Nov 6, 2018, 7:14 PM

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My mistake about the birthdays but

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I’m going to poke a hole in your theory right now

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Mrs. pheasant is grandmother reborn she is the youngest of the animals in the hotel

copper hawk Nov 6, 2018, 7:15 PM

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right now I'm not defending any theory

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I'm defending the facts

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(It's Mrs. Pigeon, but I get it)

languid lantern Nov 6, 2018, 7:16 PM

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Same for everyone favorite blind sister.

hollow raptor Nov 6, 2018, 7:16 PM

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as for now, there has been no confirmation for them to be the same people
so no, this is a theory, not facts

copper hawk Nov 6, 2018, 7:17 PM

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Yeah but if the Lake is able to grant eternal life, it can reincarnate people, or give them new bodies, or make their bodies younger, or whatever it is
So really we don't know, and at the end of the day we don't even care, as long as we know it's the same people

languid lantern Nov 6, 2018, 7:17 PM

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@hollow raptor I agree with you

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I think they share the same soul

copper hawk Nov 6, 2018, 7:18 PM

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There is one confirmation @hollow raptor
D. Eilander, magician, the killer of the birthday massacre, wearing a rabbit mask

languid lantern Nov 6, 2018, 7:18 PM

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But that’s just the theory based on the animal

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That’s a whole a lot of weird connections we need to figure out

copper hawk Nov 6, 2018, 7:19 PM

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in fact there are two, since we know Jakob is Mr. Owl

hollow raptor Nov 6, 2018, 7:19 PM

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yes, it is a confirmation that he is the white rabbit
the brown one, though very likely the same, has not been confirmed to be david yet

languid lantern Nov 6, 2018, 7:19 PM

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We know Jakob is Mr. Owl that is all we really know

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And the think is he was kill in that fired and reborn as Mr Owl

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Sacrifices is what transform him

copper hawk Nov 6, 2018, 7:21 PM

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I mean we have confirmation that two of the Eilander are now immortals corresponding with their totem animal
and all the guests are the same animals as all the totem animals of the Eilander
And they all meet in the Hotel, that is confirmed to be on Paradise Island
And it gives a motive for Mr. Owl to kill them

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I mean, if they aren't the Eilander, then Hotel in its whole is a big plot hole

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and it just makes too much sense to just say "nope, we have no confirmations, so we can't consider it to be true"

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I mean it works with literally everything shown in every game

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there is no contradiction

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it even gives a motive for David to steal Mrs. Pheasant's pistol

hollow raptor Nov 6, 2018, 7:25 PM

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we are not saying that we do not consider it true
we are just pointing out that even though it CAN very much be true, it is not a fact yet, as it has not clearly been stated

copper hawk Nov 6, 2018, 7:25 PM

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...

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Dude...

hollow raptor Nov 6, 2018, 7:25 PM

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this is how theories work

copper hawk Nov 6, 2018, 7:25 PM

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They can't be more direct than what they did in Paradox

hollow raptor Nov 6, 2018, 7:25 PM

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they make sense, but are not confirmed

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or at least not yet

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paradox tells us that the white rabbit at birthday is david
while it is very much likely and possible that he and the brown rabbit are the same, or at least have a connection, it is not explicit stated

copper hawk Nov 6, 2018, 7:27 PM

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They confirmed David EXACTLY for people that were still doubting
what do you want ?
A picture of the Eilander that turns into a picture of the guests ?
And even then you'll say
"No, it's not confirmed, yet it points towards it"

hollow raptor Nov 6, 2018, 7:29 PM

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as I have stated now twice, YES, it has been confirmed that david is the white rabbit, and it is a possible hint that the other family members are the hotel guests, but while davids identity as the white rabbit has been confirmed, the rest is just conclusion out of this fact, but not a fact itself

it still is very much possible

plucky swallow Nov 6, 2018, 7:58 PM

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That’s the thing with theories

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They are just theories 😀

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Even things that we are 99% sure of could be wrong, especially in a surreal world like Rusty Lake

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Let’s see

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We visibly see the rabbits:

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Hotel: White cloaked, white soul, and brown
Birthday: white, different one at window?
Cave: shadow of white one (I’m pretty sure)
Paradox: White
paradise: white rabbit mask and white rabbit in ground

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where did the brown rabbit come from?!?!? 🤔

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Imo mr rabbit is the biggest mystery of all the guests

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Something weird is happening...

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I feel like more will be revealed in the next game

copper hawk Nov 6, 2018, 8:10 PM

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in Birthday it's not really a white rabbit, but David with a mask

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Except we see Birthday with the eyes of 9yo Dale

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so he doesn't always understand the concept of a mask

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still, it's David

plucky swallow Nov 6, 2018, 8:14 PM

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It could be a mask...

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It’s hard to tell

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📎 image0.png

copper hawk Nov 6, 2018, 8:14 PM

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It's confirmed it's a mask in Paradox

plucky swallow Nov 6, 2018, 8:15 PM

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Aren’t they just confirming it’s David?

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I’ve gtg I’ll be back

copper hawk Nov 6, 2018, 8:16 PM

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Clear lack of eyes

📎 Capture_decran_le_2018-11-06_a_15.15.54.png

plucky swallow Nov 6, 2018, 8:17 PM

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Like you said, it’s full of symbolism

copper hawk Nov 6, 2018, 8:17 PM

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And that's a mask that is made to understand it really is a mask

📎 Capture_decran_le_2018-11-06_a_15.16.40.png

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otherwise it wouldn't be so polygonal, and more detailed

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just like Mr. Crow's mask, it was really detailed