I don't like where you're going XD
#š¤ļ½theories
manic glade
languid lantern
That think we see thing from William point view always push thing along
Him crow had a plan
dreamy dawn
see how nice believing that flowers didn't knock her up is
you don't have to consider that william kept it in the family
i still think it was just "look man i don't wanna write another boyfriend into this plot, so flowers there you go"
languid lantern
William like corrupt soul give you some weird powers
Like knock up your grand niece with flower
copper hawk
it's still weird because they don't use much symbolism in Roots
yet those flowers don't look normal
copper hawk
Roots is by far the most straight forward of all games
And Paradox the more symbolic
dreamy dawn
if elizabeth getting pregnant by william WAS his plan then i wish i could've been there when he was discussing this plan with aldous
"ok so you're gonna die, then as a ghost you're gonna help your nephew find a woman to have 3 kids with, and then fuck one of those kids"
copper hawk
Emma, not Elizabeth
Wow this is such a great plan
and then the oncle of this kid will get mad and kill everyone
plucky swallow
Who is roseās āmotherā,
Like ummm
Whose egg?
Also where did Mary come from?
Ida came from a traveling fortune thing, does it hint at where Mary came from?
hollow raptor
Ida is the biological mother of Rose
Marys parents are not known, but she, like Ida, married into the family
shy pecan
Okay so Ida is an actual factual fortune teller and can foresee her and Sam's deaths, but she totally doesn't do anything to prevent it?
vague imp
i always thought that also..XD
manic glade
Maybe she knows/thinks you can't change the future
dreamy dawn
she's probably one of those people who are like
"i have to accept my fate, i am destined to die"
honestly she looks depressed and wanting to die all the time anyways
thorn coral
Yea tru
shy pecan
Maybe that's the reason she married him.
plucky swallow
Seasons is confusing time wise
You could say that they are all memories except winter, but Iām not sure
That would kind of make sense, but it seems like Winter is also a memory. I think perhaps she is a corrupted soul in year ???? Looking back and manipulating her memories to prevent her from becoming the soul in the first place
Time might not mean anything to a corrupted soul
And then time resets from spring with her non corrupted, possibly in an alternate timeline?
Idk which year she died in though, I would think fall
shy pecan
That was the third one?
I'm pretty sure you're right.
It kind of reminds me of Jumanji with Robin Williams where time goes backward after the game is complete.
Sorry about the spoilers from 20 years ago.
plucky swallow
Thatās ok XD
plucky swallow
Yeah but Iām in class rn
shy pecan
Such a bad student.
plucky swallow
It just started š
shy pecan
oh, nm then.
plucky swallow
I guess I better go be a good student
shy pecan
Sorry
plucky swallow
lol nothing to be sorry about š
I should be focusing in class rn
Anyways bye then š
Itās civics and careers
copper hawk
My theory yes, it's mine, so people not interested, you don't have to read
is that Seasons is 4 memories, but the 4th one is a "made up" memory, created by the Lake, just like the end of Birthday is a "made up" end or the show in Theatre.
It's the Lake that is trying to make Laura sort out her memories and make peace with her corruption.
To make her go from "it's me", a corrupted monstrosity
to "it's me", a normal woman
The base memory of winter is the abandoned house, but the made up part is the weird device that the Lake created to make her go back and make peace with her core memories, juste like the Lake created a weird device in Dale's birthday gift.
You could argue that the date is also made up, but I have no proof of that, so placing this in a timeline is a bit weird...
Also, the more you go into the memories, the more messed up and symbolic it gets, just like how the more you go in Dale's memories, the Lake gets control over them (Birthday, Theatre, Paradox...)
Spring is totally fine
Summer is getting more symbolic of her paranoia with the moon
Fall, between the lamp eye and Laura killing Harvey imitating her, it's the symbol of her own death
Winter, a messed up place to appease her
@plucky swallow
(when you've got time)
plucky swallow
Hmm that seems very possible yes
The house definitely seems abandoned, other than the machine
copper hawk
Not many people would want a house where a possible murder or suicide occurred ^^"
plucky swallow
No, not prime real estate XD
copper hawk
But I'm sure it's cheap
I just thought about it, but
in winter she literally balances the essences of her past lives
she extracts the essence of an element of each season
and balances them in the machine
another proof that it's the Lake that wants her to make peace with her past
every time we see someone balance do this balance, the Lake is envolved
2 times in Dale's memories
1 time with William
1 time with Caroline
and 1 time in Laura's memories
shy pecan
When does Dale do it? One is Paradox 2.
copper hawk
Caroline isn't really "balancing" them but
the second time in Dale's memories is Mrs. Pheasant's balance, in Theatre
shy pecan
But those are hers
plucky swallow
^
shy pecan
Okay, took me a moment
copper hawk
yes, but it takes place in the "made up" part of Dale's memory, created by the Lake
plucky swallow
Although I wouldnāt say putting the things in the machine is really ābalancingā them
copper hawk
Also, in Birthday, David steals the gun to balance his life
plucky swallow
Balance?
copper hawk
"substance from one of my past lives"
this phrasing is only used for the balance of the past lives
shy pecan
Guys have mic?
copper hawk
I'm in class right now sooooo..
plucky swallow
I wonder if the pistol was some kind of link, used to revert the drinker of the immortality elixir to his human form
shy pecan
Everyone's in class!
copper hawk
no, it's just Mrs. Pheasant's pistol
plucky swallow
An object that contains a human essence left over
copper hawk
it's just that
plucky swallow
But why did he need it? It could be a different pistol too
It sound like he needs it
copper hawk
no, it's the only two guns that have the same model
plucky swallow
To turn human again
copper hawk
I checked every single one
shy pecan
How many instances of pistols are there?
copper hawk
even Van Gogh and Bob don't have the same gun model, though they are similar
plucky swallow
Why is the substance needed though?
copper hawk
because in a past life, Mr. Rabbit and Mrs. Pheasant were brother and sister
and he needs something from her to balance his past lives
copper hawk
to "escape this state"
I guess the "not quite dead" state
one of the 6 states of life
shy pecan
Hmm, that's true. This is a flintlock while Van Gogh and Bob had revolvers.
copper hawk
the "soul" state
it's a kind of living hell
you're dead, yet not quite, because of the Lake giving you eternal lives
plucky swallow
Does that mean he needs the pistol to die perhaps, cause he canāt stand immortality
copper hawk
no, it's to balance his past lives and ascend to enlightenment
to escape the living world
remember, he won
even thought Birthday took place
he only died in Dale's mind
in reality, everyone is still dead
and David got the gun
plucky swallow
I think it actually happened, and dale went back and saved them in an alternate timeline
copper hawk
It didn't really happen :
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/491975624773206016/497799532667600896/Capture_decran_2018-10-05_a_11.57.02.png
copper hawk
no, this is just the Lake messing with the memory to appease Dale
the blue cubes have power only when used in memories to change them inside the owner's head
the Lake just changed his memory cube from black to white
it was his only goal
plucky swallow
That would work with the storyline
But itās hard to judge the blue cubes as they have only appeared in use
copper hawk
remember that every single time the "timeline" changes
copper hawk
it's inside a memory
copper hawk
one in Winter
shy pecan
Twice! Seasons
copper hawk
and you could argue that the gem in Lake is a kind of blue cube
shy pecan
Wait, Dale was referred to as The Traveler
plucky swallow
Yep
shy pecan
Okay, hear me out, what if he actually can go through time.
plucky swallow
Oh like time traveler
shy pecan
Yes
plucky swallow
Hmm
copper hawk
I think he only is a traveler because he was born in Rusty Lake, got the hell outta there when his familly was murdered, and got back because of the case 23
plucky swallow
Did he time travel in case 23?
copper hawk
nope
shy pecan
It's like the movie Butterfly Effect
plucky swallow
It would make sense to be time traveller even if it just means using the cube to travel
shy pecan
The main character could read journals and edit his past.
plucky swallow
^
Howād he get to the chapel?
It almost seems the black and white cubes can let you travel in space
plucky swallow
Ok gl
copper hawk
^-^
plucky swallow
Using the black cubes in seasons turn the pictures to a starry sky and then transports you through memories
Using both cubes in case 23 turns the ceiling into stars and transports you in space
Weird
plucky swallow
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copper hawk
So does it mean that My office is a memory ?
plucky swallow
YES rusty lake solved
plucky swallow
Bye
Well what was outside Arles?
I mean the painting
But how does that fit in?
Arles is kind of mostly on its own storyline wise
Also is there any relation between Van Gogh and whatshisname who got his ear cut off in Paradise?
And why am I asking so many questions today?
honest magnet
The Eilanders are likely the ancestors of all the Rusty Lake people, the Vanderbooms, Vandermeers, and Van Gogh
I like to think that ear loss is the symbolic hint that they're related to Van Gogh
copper hawk
There is sadly no proof of Van Gogh being related, but I already linked the 3 families
Just search the last URL I posted here
It's in the "family" one
@honest magnet @plucky swallow
plucky swallow
Is this about right for known tree?
Assuming Aldous is Williams only brother
Without knowing the game this tree looks so bizarre
copper hawk
for official tree, yes
and it's official that they are only brothers
if they weren't James wouldn't inherit the house
Aldous is supposed to inherit it, but he fakes his death
so his son is the next one
and the only one
so there are only these two
at least they are the last two alive
plucky swallow
Of course its possible William left James the house specifically because he wanted him to have it, in which case there could be some secret siblings š
copper hawk
"James was his oncle's only heir"
copper hawk
plucky swallow
Yeah, I guess it would have to be a lost sibling that William didnāt know about
Like crow
plucky swallow
There still could be a secret sibling
Maybe in another game?
But doubtfully
Doubtful*
copper hawk
it's clearly said there is NO ONE ELSE
copper hawk
so if there WAS a secret sibling, he would have to be dead before William
plucky swallow
Not nescessarily no one else
What about Aldous? He wasnāt dead
Iām just saying itd be cool if grandpa was Mr crows twin
That would explain the resemblance
But theyād have to figure out why he didnāt get the house
copper hawk
he didn't die, but if you follow inheritance law, Aldous would've inherited the house
he faked his death
plucky swallow
I know thatās what Iām saying
Aldous should have got it but he didnāt
Maybe William lost his brother and didnāt know about him?
copper hawk
he was still there watching down on the children
he just faked his death to let everyone believe they didn't succeed in becoming immortal
plucky swallow
Iām just saying William could have a sibling
I have no clue about Aldous fake death I assume thatās in paradise pqst where Iām at
copper hawk
only if said sibling died before William
there is nothing on Crow in Paradise
but finish the secret endings of Roots
there is a level on the Alchemists brothers
plucky swallow
But Aldous wasnāt dead when James got house so anythingās possible š
Another brother could be alive
Anyway gtg to take bus home
copper hawk
But Aldous was thought dead
plucky swallow
But sibling could be thot dead too
copper hawk
but it makes no sense and it'd be way too late to introduce new characters .-.
we'd need 3-5 games to understand their motivations
plucky swallow
Eeee i just said itd be cool
And possible, not that it would make sense or would even be true
plucky swallow
No itās not likely
But I mean it wouldnāt be a new character, only new motives in a way
And grandpa being mr crow is plausible as being his twin
So who knows?
I agree though Iād be surprised if it was
copper hawk
he's more likely to be him and not his twin .-.
since we know Aldous officially disappeared
languid lantern
Dale was born in 1930
languid lantern
It would be incredibly implausible if not impossible for his grandfather to be a twin of Mister crow
plucky swallow
But that holds the same for his grandpa being mr crow
copper hawk
But if it was Mr. Crow himself, he just had to find a wife at the same time as Samuel
more or less
plucky swallow
I would have to assume the elixir was made when mr crow was old?
plucky swallow
So Aldous/twin would have to be about 70 in bday
But I mean immortality
Means it doesnāt really matter I guess
Sorry 80 š
copper hawk
because it's the sign of the hybrids
plucky swallow
@languid lantern assuming immortality I would think grandpa being mr crow/twin would make sense Ć¢ge wise
Oh I just looked at my math up there and it is messed up š
Still tho if mr crow was immortal he could have kids, and grandkids, in 80 years I think
copper hawk
men can have kids no matter their age, after puberty
plucky swallow
If a twin was not immortal he would have to be like at least 100 in bday which makes no sense
copper hawk
yup
plucky swallow
So a twin would have to be immortal too, which I canāt see being easy to fit into the storyline
You never know though with Rusty Lake š
copper hawk
he'd have a 50/50 chance to die if he ever even find the elixir...
plucky swallow
On a different note, who didnāt die in Roots, other than Leonard Frank and Rose?
Did Mary die?
copper hawk
Leonard and Frank died x)
plucky swallow
Eek no spoilers!
plucky swallow
Yeah but it doesnāt specifically show they die
It seems like they may tho
Did Mary die of shock?
plucky swallow
Oh
copper hawk
she was about 65, at the time, the age of death was 60
plucky swallow
I thought she died in family band, itās hard to keep track of she appeared after lol
With all the separate timelines
copper hawk
she did
she just died of old age during family band XD
there is only one timeline
with alternate memories
but you have to consider the main timeline to be the one where nothing is changed
plucky swallow
Sorry I meant branches
plucky swallow
I would guess she died of shock, i mean itās probably not easy on an old lady to see your kid be a murderer
plucky swallow
Thatās cool, thanks!
copper hawk
np
hollow raptor
hmm...leonard and rose grew up together, right? at least for some years...
between 1909 and 1914 and 1918 and 1935?
i wonder if he ever realized they were half siblings...and if Rose knew what a psychopath Albert was
plucky swallow
I hope Frank and Leonard lived š¢
dreamy dawn
i think they did
question is what did they do after that
frank: so leonard where do we go from here
leonard: hmm, i guess we just start our own families, live normal lives
frank: sounds good! hey you know what'd be a good place to pick up chicks? I know a club FULL of fortune teller women
and thus the cycle continues
plucky swallow
š thatās great
shy pecan
"So Frank, have any desire to create the elixir of life?"
"No desire at all, Leonard."
"That's very interesting because I thought the same thing."
dreamy dawn
i mean if someone asked me if i wanted to make an elixir of life i'd say no
it's a 50/50 chance wether i turn into a bird
or have to impregnate my great niece
why would i want either of those outcomes
i'll take death thank you very much
shy pecan
Right? I turn into a crow person and just stand there and say "well this is a new development. You know what to do." I say hopefully because I sure don't.
dense grove
can someone pls either explain the whole rusty lake story or link me a vid that tells me all that?
shy pecan
@dense grove in 1796 a young man named Jakob Eilander returns to his family home on an island called Paradise.
This is at the behest of his father, Nicolas, who says the lake has been suffering after the death if Jakob's mother, Caroline.
The island undergoes the ten plagues of Egypt, and from a player perspective it seems Jakob is the driving force causing them to run their course. He even goes as far as to allow himself to be sacrificed as the first born child.
However because of his attachment to his mother's corrupted soul and her memories, particularly her knowledge of what is called "The Elixir of Life and Death" Jakob's presence on the island and the lake remains after his immolation.
Following so far?
languid lantern
Other words he dies but becomes more than a man
languid lantern
Is anyone else but me he is curious how he created or build the hotel
dense grove
somebody built a hotel?
dense grove
pls explain
shy pecan
Okay, so the island once called Paradise becomes the ground on which a hotel is built, and Jakob who is also known as Mister Owl is the owner and proprietor a century later.
There is a week long instance where particular guests stay at the hotel. Mister Owl says they have their reasons for staying and that he has his own reasons for allowing this. Each night one of them is murdered and their flesh used for exquisitely made meals for the other guests. Each of them is a different species of animal person, and the game simply calls their lifeless remains as the meat.
All of this is in the interest of the lake, which Mister Owl regards as an important entity in its own right, and so he makes decisions in the lake's behalf, like a moral patient.
One of the employees of the hotel has a history of their own involving the elixir of life. Just outside of the lake but still within viewing distance of the hotel is the home if two alchemists who believe they have created such an elixir. While both of the brothers ingest it, one of them dies immediately while the other transforms into a crow person and serves under Mister Owl at the hotel.
This surviving alchemist called Mister Crow works with the corrupted soul of his brother William Vanderboom to raise a family with him nephew. There are three generations of members of this family tree, and each of them makes a tremendous sacrifice in order for William to be born again and live.
So if the story of Jakob and Caroline Eilander is phase one, and the story of Mister Crow and William Vanderboom is phase two, then phase three of the story involves the last surviving member of the Vanderboom family Laura and the homicide detective who investigates her death Dale Vandermeer.
And that's where we are at now. Much of the focus is on Dale's memories of his profoundly traumatic childhood, how the investigation unearthed unprocessed feelings of that trauma, and the importance they have for each other and the grand scheme of the lake.
That's about it from me, anyone want to add anything?
plucky swallow
No, that was a really good summary š
copper hawk
@shy pecan
You don't mind if I take everything you said and plagiarize it in my wiki ?
copper hawk
how should I sign it ?
shy pecan
Tristan Webb
plucky swallow
Hmm idk š
dense grove
thx lobster fox i really appreciate it. and i was considering buying roots and hotel and all the other premuim games but now im sure of it
plucky swallow
@dense grove I just bought them and itās definitely worth it
dense grove
k
languid lantern
@shy pecan Mr Owl is the ruler of the Lake too what ever that means
plucky swallow
@copper hawk Yeah it shows fine on computer
copper hawk
cool
copper hawk
Ok so
I did a bit of editing
with Harvey's voice in summer
the one that sounds like a monstrosity
And it got me... that...
a monster sound, followed by Laura saying either "Enough" or "Get off"
dreamy dawn
i think maybe she's referring to the player
"you put enough time into these games that you found out about this message?"
"you need to get off these games"
"enough playing them for now"
copper hawk
x)
Ok, I found something interesting
This soul is obviously not Bob
BUT
what if this is what happens in Summer ?
"Get off"
And this corruption scream
because Bob wasn't "himself" when he raped her
we've seen him being corrupt in Case 23
and that would be why he killed himself
he raped her and pushed her to suicide
so he followed her as a punishment
thorn coral
Uhhhh
plucky swallow
I thought Bob turned corrupted, not killed himself
copper hawk
he did both
Theatre, he shoots himself at the bar
Paradox, channel 247, confirmation that he is indeed dead at the bar with a hole in his head and a gun in his hand
And Paradox also confirms that Theatre happens AFTER Dale arrested Bob
with Bob talking about his arrestation in the cassette
copper hawk
?
plucky swallow
Nice! Thanks
plucky swallow
Thatās a lot easier that reactions too š
copper hawk
^^
The thing is, every time she dies, it's either a corruption coming from her that kills her, or her just committing suicide
plucky swallow
Yeah Idk should I count the soul killing her as a separate being, so murder, or the same person, so suicide?
I think murder because she wasnāt willingly killing herself
copper hawk
sure but the corruption inside a person can have kind of a mind of its own
hers was pushed by depression
people trying to kill themselves (and failing afterwards) often say they "weren't themselves" when they tried and that the immediately regretted their decision
so maybe the corruption murdering her is just a way to express this idea
even if she committed suicide, she wasn't the one that killed her
a force in her did. her corruption created by her depression
mossy girder
it's B O T H !
She's killed by corruption
It kinda feels like she's driven to commit suicide
Is it because of her being a reincarnation ? Did she become aware of that and wanted to end it ?
Is it the influence of the lake wanting to get rid of her ?
copper hawk
Corruption can represent mental illness, as shown with Van Gogh
I think it's just her depression
mossy girder
Yeah, I think so too, but imo she's under the influence of something making her do it
that's why I said it's both
hollow raptor
it is unknown what caused Lauras mental illness, however I think it could be indeed the fact that she was an incarnation
just my opinion, tho, nothing has been officially stated yet
mossy girder
You're either born with a mental illness, or you develop it because of you environement
It could be so many things, but the HOW / WHY she developed it doesn't really matter in the story
hollow raptor
true
mossy girder
She had a boyfriend, a pet, she seemed to have a nice life, and yet...
copper hawk
I don't know the original cause of her depression
BUT
Considering the distorted "<corrupt soul noise> Get off" made by Harvey in Summer, and my very basic knowledge of Twin peaks
I guess Bob, under corruption, raped her, and she was driven to suicide afterwards
mossy girder
Ooooh, it could be if it's another reference to twin peaks, indeed
hollow raptor
we can't be sure wether it actually says "get off"
I mean, sure, it's possible, but not 100%
mossy girder
I watched the series, but did not remember. Indeed, the father was possessed by Bob, right ?
copper hawk
hollow raptor
feels shame for not having watched TP yet
plucky swallow
^
mossy girder
So he was probably drunk, and committed suicide after her because of the guilt ?
copper hawk
the guilt of raping her, pushing her to suicide, and the trauma of his arrestation
hollow raptor
or, if the rape theory is not true, he developed depression after his girlfriend left him
plucky swallow
Thatās what I thought happened
hollow raptor
that's what I thought after reading Laura's goodbye letter in Theatre
mossy girder
Am really into that theory :o Makes a lot of sense
hollow raptor
hope RL will give us more information in other games
plucky swallow
Yeah, that note didnāt sound like someone who got raped....
mossy girder
I actually really love the fact that it's very blurry, and you can interpret the story almost however makes more sense to you
plucky swallow
Exactly, itās fun to have all the ideas
And you never know which will turn out right š
mossy girder
and that's the beauty of it
to have a definite answer is not the most interesting in that case :3
hollow raptor
okay but I still wanna know Harveys gender
mossy girder
Prolly a dude
hollow raptor
but it lays eggs
plucky swallow
If everything was resolved next game and there was no more theories, it would get boring
The mystery is the beat part
Best*
mossy girder
Buuuut the eggs seem to be more of a metaphore ? I mean, the way the eggs fit in the story is always surreal
mossy girder
What IF ! Harvey is a trans-male ??
copper hawk
Yeah but, she got to the lake in 1969
and Summer is 1971
and she sent the letter before getting to the lake
and I theorized he raped her around Summer
so it still adds up
vague imp
woah this got morbid rq
hollow raptor
gender queer representation intensifies
vague imp
not the queer part i mean the rape part of course
mossy girder
We figured, no worries :)
copper hawk
I mean it was already dark when we were talking about murder and suicide and shootings in a 9 yo birthday party
mossy girder
Did Laura dump Bob ?
mossy girder
If she did, could have been that :
she dumps him -> he gets drunk and angry -> he rapes her -> she commits suicide -> he gets depressed and guilty -> he shoots himself
Everyone has a dark side. Bob's is reaaaaally dark.
copper hawk
she goes to Rusty Lake in between her dumping him and him raping her
but yeah, basically
people even say he is the one that attacked her in The Lake
but it's not plausible
mossy girder
He could have tracked her down, yeah
vague imp
i thought it might be Jacobs mom (i forgot her name)
copper hawk
since it's way safer to assume it was Mrs. Pigeon
vague imp
bcs her body was dumped into the lake..?
hollow raptor
Mrs Pigeon?
vague imp
or well her ashes?i dunno but it could have been her?
copper hawk
Because Harvey's box takes place at the same time than The Lake and Mrs. Pigeon is the one attacking Harvey
so it's safer to assume it's the same corrupted being
plucky swallow
I donāt think ms pigeon was a spark in RLās eyes at the time of Harveyās box XD
hollow raptor
okay well the one in Harveys box is indeed very likely to be Mrs Pigeon
But honestly I don't think it matters which soul attacked Laura in the Lake
plucky swallow
But ms pigeon could have been inspired from it
copper hawk
well, Harvey is helped to open the box by a pigeon and right after, is attacked by a winged shadow.......
Any other explanations ?
hollow raptor
Ms Pigeon prlly tryn to hunt down Harvey for murdering her
mossy girder
before the corrupted souls get feed to to the lake
copper hawk
the thing is, black memories ARE the essence of corruption, and can lead to create corrupted souls
it's kinda weird, but they're all one and the same
plucky swallow
100% Condensed Cubic Corruption
copper hawk
in its purest form
but it takes some sort of increasing power to become a soul
otherwise, it'll just go back to its cube form
plucky swallow
I know you play as Laura in Lake but Iāve never known why, does anyone know how you can tell?
copper hawk
Because it's said on the official timeline released by Rusty Lake themselves
there's no other way of knowing except maybe that there is Harvey's box in a corner, but you have to guess that it's Laura that had bring him with her to the Lake
plucky swallow
Ok thanks š
forest thicket
but I said that this can only be a symbolization
copper hawk
@forest thicket
Also, there is a picture, created by one of Laura's memory cube, in The Cave, that directly shows her cutting her own throat
forest thicket
yes, it makes sense, sadness by doing a not right theory by forgotten some facts ;-;
copper hawk
don't worry
I'm just here to get you on the right track
by giving you all the facts I know
well...
MUCH less than I know
I know too much
I know about hidden content and reusage of sprites
I know about whiskers !
I KNOW FACTS ABOUT RABBIT WHISKERS
blblblbllblblblb
forest thicket
you enter in the deep lake to encounter facts :v
copper hawk
the thing about whiskers is
Mr. Rabbit in Hotel has whiskers
and as he dies, his soul still has whiskers
BUT
Outside of his window
you can sometimes see a white Mr. Rabbit
it's the exact same sprite as his soul
EXCEPT
HE
LACKS
WHISKERS
And in Birthday
Mr. Rabbit
has
no
whiskers
copper hawk
But it doesn't mean anything since they confirmed in Paradise that it was indeed the same Rabbit as in Hotel
so my whole theory got thrown away.....
into the Lake
lol
forest thicket
your theories belong to the lake now :v
maybe the timepieces generation still as live, but it much dififcult
wait
copper hawk
two of them died suffocated by the branches
and Rose just lived as a normal mother
she's the only one that survived this weird shit
forest thicket
the three sufocated his like a traitor, he do so much sacrifices to the three and she killed his
forest thicket
OH MY GOD
WAIT
if the gold cube go to the future
and Rose know Laura go to the lake (in the future)
its like...rose may us ethe gold cube? ?_?
copper hawk
Rose was created in vitro in 1909
So she was "born" around 1910
Laura was born in 1935
and the Cube Escape series mainly takes place in 1971-1972
so she's 60 or so...
yeah, she's probably dead
copper hawk
wtf ?
Arles is 1**8**88
she wasn't even born
Arles takes place even before the triplets are born
copper hawk
no I'm the dumbest
Van Gogh was born before the triplets
but they were adults when Arles took place
forest thicket
yes
copper hawk
it was even before Frank was born
forest thicket
wait, james was more old than van gogh or less old than?
he look not than old than laura in the seasons in the start of roots
shy pecan
Yeah, James was just a little boy when Roots started.
forest thicket
wait, the elixir dog whas the james dog not?
thin elk
Correct
forest thicket
wow, the dog is the oldest "person' in vanderboom family with william and aldous :v who is the good dog? yes, the most old dog in the world (that eat a arm...he is a not a good boy ;-;)
thin elk
I mean
It did drink the elixir of eternal life/sudden death and didn't die
So it's kinda supposed to live forever
copper hawk
He may be the oldest dog
but not the oldest pet
Harvey, how did you manage to survive 200+ years ?...
thin elk
Harvey, how did you manage to lay an egg even though you're supposedly a boy?
Harvey, how did you manage to die multiple times at various different times and places?
forest thicket
my friend call harvey pigey ;-;
thin elk
Harvey, how did you manage to not have a cool human counterpart?
Harvey is just weird
Live with it
forest thicket
harvey, you put the emma letter in the same place ;-;
copper hawk
Boar has a human, hybrid and animal form
so maybe ?
hey, by the way, why is there an entire level in Paradise themed around Mr. Boar, but not the other guests ?
forest thicket
wait, every humanoid animal like mr rabbit and mr crow and owl have a human, the owl family is the hotel guests, but who is harvey/
copper hawk
Harvey is just Harvey
thin elk
Because Mr.Boar is the one people sympathize with the most. Lazy piece of lump that eats everything
copper hawk
He is in Paradise, as a simple bird
but it's an easter egg
you have to put the same flowers as on the memorial of Frank when Emma is writing the letter
forest thicket
or its is the caroline...but its just maybe
forest thicket
yes, you harvey
forest thicket
wait, who is the oldest family, vanderboom or the owl
family(i forgot the name)
forest thicket
oh okey
wait, i will enter twitch to see somethings of one brasilian video maker that plays rusty lake games
plucky swallow
@forest thicket can I get your wiki link please? I lost it in the discord ocean
plucky swallow
Thanks š
I liked watching John Wolfe play whenever he saw an animal or a corrupted soul he would say āhiā or āhelloā in the exact same voice
Also it seems he encountered every single glitch that appears one in one thousand times for the rest of us š
And at the end of each game he would just sit back and act like he had a headache from all the theories
copper hawk
XD
forest thicket
i will update with some theories, your have any question? i will try to theorize it
plucky swallow
I wonder...
How many different grandfather clocks are there?
There seems to be several
And how do they transport?
plucky swallow
Yeah...
It is possible but I think that would be going to far on the devās part tbh
Itās interesting tho
copper hawk
yeah, but it's in twin peaks so it's not that impossible
copper hawk
Summer
plucky swallow
Hmm
I mean it could sound like get off
Idk
Where did seasons get itās sfx from @copper hawk?
copper hawk
I don't fcking know
copper hawk
the musics are free of copyrights
but the rest of it i just don't know
if there is no credits, either other free samples or homemade sounds or both
plucky swallow
Like that guitar bird
Lemme see if I can find it
The other bird is so uncomfortable š
copper hawk
x)
plucky swallow
Sorry Iām off topic š
copper hawk
no, it's great
copper hawk
Ok, I think I had a revelation but I have to check some facts
Case 23, Chapel :
A pheasant's skull, a foetus, a heart, a shell, and a picture of Caroline
Theatre, The Lady of the Lake :
Mrs. Pheasant's human form, a foetus, a heart, a shell, and her acting hat
The chapel was built by Elizabeth, wanting to continue the cult of her father
hollow raptor
anyone has an idea why Mrs Pheasants human form looks so different from Elizabeth, yet she is probably supposed to be MRs Pheasant?
copper hawk
they're not so different
we never see Elizabeth's side but I can tell you
they have the same face
hollow raptor
her hair and face shape look different tho
hollow raptor
yeah....but you really think she would do that?
would not be good character design
copper hawk
she's an actress, so she can wear anything to alter how she looks, including tainting her hair
Some actors go from being ill skinny, to super fat, to buff in mere months just for roles
so tainting her hair is fair to assume
hollow raptor
yeah, but speaking from a designers point of view, it would be a bad decision to drastically change the looks of a character in a game, especially if it is handdrawn
copper hawk
and that's why we have so many clues that they are the same character
we don't have that much for the others
Jakob is directly shown as Owl
Gerald has a level that shows Boar's habits
and David is confirmed to be a magician
but that's pretty much it
Margaret and Nicholas have no clues, it's just logic based on the others being confirmed
and Mrs. Pheasant has clues all over the place
soooo
wind depot
does that make hotel jakob's revenge then? since he (as mister owl) orders Harvey to kill the guest's
copper hawk
they sacrificed both him and his mother
so it does make sense that he wants to kill them
hollow raptor
but how did they get immortal?
copper hawk
the Lake
hollow raptor
caroline kept the elixir a secret from them
wind depot
by sacrificing the first born the lake will bless them
copper hawk
Yes and no, because the 10 plagues are both a curse from Caroline and a test for Jakob from the Lake
copper hawk
I just figured out that Harvey knowing Dale (seen both in Roots and in Birthday) is another hint that Aldous is Dale's grandpa
And also shows that Harvey has a human form
so it's cool
I wonder what he looks like Ā°^Ā°
Fanboy intensifies
And no, it's not just his hybrid form
the parents would at least want to meat him
wind depot
but Dale is called Vandermeer while Aldous is Vanderboom
hollow raptor
why is Harveys knowledge of Dale a hint for Aldous being related to Dale?
copper hawk
yes
Aldous Vanderboom had a daughter that married a Vandermeer
because Harvey is clearly FRIEND with the family
hollow raptor
uhm...
copper hawk
he sends a birthday letter to Dale
so he knows at least one of the adults as a good friend
and I think it's the grandpa, Aldous, since they both work for Owl
wind depot
i mean it would make sense as for why he's the only to remember what's gonna happen when you go back in time
copper hawk
no, the "going back in time" is the Lake messing with the memories
even Dale says his memories are changing, right after Birthday and right before Theatre
and Paradox confirms they still all died
hollow raptor
I don't think Aldous is Dales grandfather
Because it would mean that he was killed by Mr Rabbit when Dale was a kid
wind depot
What do you mean? As seen in Roots, Mr. Crow started to exist in 1859 when Aldous Vanderboom drank the elixir. That gave him immortality.
copper hawk
I mean
David died a total of 6 times
so Aldous dying one time isn't really all that much
hollow raptor
so Aldous gets shot and stays alive but Mrs Pheasant not?
Doesn't quite add up
hollow raptor
But all the visitors in hotel died, why should Aldous be immune to a bullet?
wind depot
she killed herself, the others where killed by harvey.
copper hawk
the visitors of the hotel couldn't stay alive because their bodies got eaten.....
and it still didn't stop David from getting a new body in Birthday
wind depot
in hotel if you stayed in rabbits room through a window you could see the white rabbit pass by.
copper hawk
yeah I know
and it's not even the same sprite as Mr. Rabbit's soul
the one outside doesn't have whiskers
wind depot
wind depot
yeah
copper hawk
the one outside has whiskers but not the one at the end
wind depot
but if david is the brown one who's the white one?
copper hawk
but it's more of a scary eater egg since it's confirmed in Paradox that it's David Eilander
and that he's a magician
I had a theory that there are 2 Mr. Rabbit
but it doesn't hold up now
there's only one
but
oooooow
OOOOOOOW
It's not a simple easter egg
copper hawk
how did David get a new body if his original one was eaten ?
he just possessed that one
he's a soul
he can possess people
so he just stole that body
and we never see his face
we never see his face in Birthday or Paradox
he's always behind a mask
(yes, it's a mask even in Birthday
it's just that Dale is a kid so he thinks it's a real rabbit)
wind depot
oh your right
copper hawk
and that also explains the whiskers paradox
so my theory isn't just garbage after all !
HAHA
TAKE THAT DEVS
wind depot
no it's quite good
copper hawk
You thought you could fool me with that confirmation
But I always have a base of truth
wind depot
but if he's a soul does that make him a corrupted one? since he died a horrible death.
copper hawk
corruption is a "second state"
it's madness, depression, murderous anger, rape lust...
wind depot
ah i see
copper hawk
it's the kind of state where you feel like you're not the one controlling your own body
your corruption is
soooo
revenge anger, I guess
wind depot
interesting
copper hawk
Dale is corrupted because of his trauma and fatigue (he's killing himself with the case)
Laura because of her depression
Bob because of his disappear since she dumped him
etc, etc
wind depot
that bothers me though why was Laura depressed isn't she William? she has (in my eyes no reason to be depressed)
copper hawk
I think what made her kill herself is Bob raping her after coming back from Rusty Lake, in summer 1971
Harvey has a distorted "get off"
and in Twin peaks, Bob rapes Laura
wind depot
really? why?
copper hawk
but she was under the prescription of prozac back in 1964
hollow raptor
the rape thing is not confirmed tho
wind depot
(sorry if i ask to many question but i'm really interested in this conversation)
copper hawk
That's why I specifically said "I think"
she dumped him before going to Rusty Lake, as shown in Theatre
she did go in 1969
and she came back at most before summer 1971
so it's fair to assume Bob's corruption grew more and more during that time
until his corruption decided to rape her
and that's why he shoots himself in Theatre, afterwards
wind depot
but she died in many different ways how can we know it was suicide
copper hawk
all of the time she dies, it's either assassinated by a corruption coming from her
or in Cave, directly her slicing her throat
don't mind Dale killing her in Paradox, it's a symbol of him letting go of the case in his mind
he's way too invested in it, it's killing him
wind depot
maybe corrupted souls can't be seen normally and only appear some of the time. Why couldn't the people in Roots see William? Why could William only be reached by a ouija board? Why did Bob's body stay uncorrupted until you touched the tv? Maybe Bob's corrupted soul killed Laura Maybe you couldn't see it in the memory because Laura couldn't see it in the memory. so many question damn
copper hawk
Emma saw William
Rose saw him via the Ouija board
Albert saw him too
In fact every character close to the spirit world, either via magic, or close to death, saw him
wind depot
then why wait for rose to bring him back.
copper hawk
he needed the sacrifices
and a woman that could bear his new envelope
and the timepieces
wind depot
but why try to come back?
copper hawk
because his goal was eternal life
and he died
it's not what he asked for
so he's trying to get a second chance
shy pecan
I think William Vanderboom is a bodhisattva for Dale.
copper hawk
huh
wind depot
and he got it but for what cause. the elixir is done, Dale is becoming the new leader, and the family is spreading i get that he want eternal life but he has no goal outside of that.
shy pecan
Is it though?
copper hawk
I mean
If i wanted more than anything to stay alive, and had no morals as a pure being of desire
I too would kill the entire family of my brother to try to get a new life
shy pecan
Sounds like uncle William is kind of a jerk.
Has someone made the "I'm my own uncle" joke yet?
copper hawk
x)
woeful sleet
Btw, what happened to Frank and Leonard after the revival?
copper hawk
suffocated to death, unless confirmed otherwise
plucky swallow
Or they lived, unless confirmed otherwise š
Iād like to think theyāre fine
copper hawk
I mean by the time of Case 23 they're all 60+
plucky swallow
Yes?
copper hawk
even if they stayed alive, they're way too old to do anything relevant
thin elk
Hi
thin elk
xD
plucky swallow
š
hollow raptor
mr crow also was kinda old the time he transformed
copper hawk
so what i mean is
alive or dead, it doesn't matter
they're dead for the story
thin elk
I mean, I asm a pixelartist and my favorite color is green
thin elk
Well, I draw pixelart :D
copper hawk
@hollow raptor
yeah but he was like 40-50
Mary died at 64
thin elk
So it sounds like we're a perfect fit
plucky swallow
š
hollow raptor
40? imo he looked like 60+
plucky swallow
^
I donāt quite see how they are now irrelevant
There could be a story with them after the roots
I have no clue if they lived or not, at the moment itās very ambiguous
@thin elk I like ASCII art too XD
hollow raptor
@thin elk @plucky swallow (can i be the priest on the wedding?)
thin elk
I never got into ASCII art xD
copper hawk
@hollow raptor
People aged faster at the time
thin elk
@hollow raptor Sure, but please don't sacrifice us to the lake
plucky swallow
That would be a poor ceremony
thin elk
I mean
plucky swallow
We need refreshments, shrimp and rusty lake burgers?
thin elk
Sure? xD
spice frigate
Don't worry, I'll be sure to bring red via-- I mean... shrimp cocktails
hollow raptor
but please not from sick animals
honest magnet
God that poor goat
thin elk
Ouch xD
woeful sleet
We can have some deer meat instead
thin elk
No
honest magnet
With rosemary and potatoes
copper hawk
š
plucky swallow
Has anyone seen the strange shadow on the wall in cave that looks like a lizard or something?
Wooooah what just happened?????
I just got a weird glitch
copper hawk
can you show ?
and in the cave you can have shadows of the 5 souls of the guests and the bat
copper hawk
nah, that's "normal"
I mean it's not a "bug" it's just no well coded
wait
can't restart
that'ssomething else
past wren
Okay, what if the rabbit in Birthday, was the unmasked unsung younger brother in roots?
plucky swallow
Which brother?
copper hawk
it's even directly said in Paradox
past wren
Oh yeah, i kind of forgot about that. Then how long did David Eilander pratice magic?
past wren
@plucky swallow was thinking the one in the moon mask.
copper hawk
Albert ?
past wren
Thanks man, too many different names... Too many different games.
copper hawk
I know pretty much everything there is to know, so don't mind asking
past wren
Well.. what is life lol
copper hawk
A way too complicated thing evolution uses to keep meat fresh
plucky swallow
Wait does David appear in the bday room in paradox chapter two?
copper hawk
Your parents ask you to "call David Eilander, the magician"
past wren
What is Dale, is he a soul or is he a private eye?
@plucky swallow Magnifying lense in the drawer first, then look up the number in the other drawer.
copper hawk
Dale is a detective
and theorized to be the grandson of Aldous Vanderboom (Mr. Crow)
past wren
Not to get off topic.. but I am kind of sensing a bit of an x-files - esque feel to this game.
plucky swallow
In the comments
copper hawk
My theory for this is
past wren
@plucky swallow Been studying also of the game throughout the same url you have posted.
copper hawk
David is associated with the brown Rabbit in Paradise
As he is reincarnated by the Lake, he become Mr. Rabbit, the brown rabbit of Hotel
as he dies, his body is eaten away by the other guests
but he wants reveng
so he possesses the body of the white rabbit, that we can see outside of his room
he passes onto a human form
we never see his face as a human after Hotel
not even in Paradox
he wears a mask
and that explains the 2 Rabbits, the changing of colour and the whiskers paradox
while still making David Eilander be the killer of the birthday massacre
the whiskers paradox is the fact that the sprite for Mr. Rabbit's soul and the white rabbit outside are NOT the same
the one outside has whiskers while the soul has none
and the Rabbit in Birthday has whiskers
and has a physical body
past wren
What an excellent theory.
I am thinking of what if the golden cube, was just a different view out of different prospectives, out of Dale's images related to birthday, even though the golden cube was submerge. Linkage of paradox and also if memory serves me right, in birthday didn't they flood it?
copper hawk
I'm sorry I really don't understand when you talk...
past wren
Sorry just off there, heck no one online understands me XD
copper hawk
what is your native language ?
past wren
English. š
past wren
A really really long ride, might as well bring over pillows š
copper hawk
can you try to explain what you said again ?
past wren
To what I was typing eariler, about the Gold Cube, found in the underwater. Right?
I was just thinking since the brain puzzle commands you to make the level under water. At that point. I thought the Birthday game at one point was under water.
Oh I was wrong. It had an enterance to the lake. So sorry for the confusion.
past wren
I am wondering if the Golden Cube held something unique other then what it revealed for Dale.
copper hawk
we literally know nothing about the golden cube
copper hawk
good memories
past wren
Ah. Black ones are bad memories, though why so many in Dale's story?
copper hawk
they are bad memories yes, and also the essence of corruption
I mean, Birthday is Dale's family being murdered and Theatre is Bob shooting himself in front of him
it's pretty grim .-.
past wren
What is Larua's relationship with Dale?
copper hawk
officially he just inspect her death case
but if Dale really is Aldous's grandson, it means they are cousin
past wren
What is Harvey's relationship with Dale, they do not show much of them interacting with one another..
copper hawk
Harvey is Laura's pet.
He is friend with Dale's family as he sent a birthday card to Dale
If Aldous really is Dale's granpa, then it makes sense since Mr. Crow and Harvey both work for Mr. Owl
past wren
Thanks.