🤔｜theories

[copper hawk]

Feel free to tell me if I forgot something, if something doesn't make sense, or if you don't understand

[thorn coral]

@copper hawk Ida Reiziger, Reiziger means traveler, cuz shes a person that travels and reads people future

you know what i mean

[copper hawk]

yeah

[thorn coral]

Vanderboom --> Boom = tree = roots

Vandermeer ---> meer =lake = idk

[copper hawk]

Ida is basically a gypsy

[thorn coral]

yea

didnt know how to say it in english

[steady plover]

i already got gypsy vibes from Ida.
The fact her name is traveler basically is just the iceing on the cake for me

[copper hawk]

yeah, it was pretty obvious

[thorn coral]

yae

[copper hawk]

Eilander = islander

since they live on an island

[thorn coral]

they are from paradise

yea

they are from paradise 🤔

[steady plover]

know that i think of it...Did Ida knew she was going to get murder by a voodoo doll?
In game, her crystal ball shows the future and you see flashes of events in game, so is it possibly Ida saw her own death, but still married into the Vanderboom family
for some reason

[thorn coral]

it was what had to be done

is that a right sentence?

[copper hawk]

in the cristal ball she sees Samuel getting killed

but her vision was incomplete, and she wasn't in it

Why do I always call him "Simon" ?...

[thorn coral]

lmao

[copper hawk]

It's like Dale, sometimes I call him "Dave"

[thorn coral]

burh

bruh

[steady plover]

i was wondering about that XD
Thought they introduce an unknown Vanderboom under our noses

[copper hawk]

They did introduce an unknown Vandermeer under our nose

or at least they planned to

most likely Dale's son

[thorn coral]

who?

[copper hawk]

we only have a name and a date

[thorn coral]

where?

what?

[copper hawk]

it's an unused feature

I think it's in Case 23

[spice frigate]

Ooohhh... I remember seeing that, I think...

[thorn coral]

is it in the game?

[spice frigate]

like wasn't his name Jimmy?

[thorn coral]

what is itN

?

[steady plover]

Dale has a son?
Since when?

[thorn coral]

yea, dos he even has a wife

[copper hawk]

No, it's unused, you can only find it in the folders

[spice frigate]

it was unused

[thorn coral]

hmmmmm

[steady plover]

oh ok

[thorn coral]

k

[spice frigate]

who knows, maybe something will happen with that, but for now it's just unused

[copper hawk]

yup

If you make some maths, the date is most likely his death

or Dale's death

it depends

we really know nothing about it

it's just a name and a date, like the type of screen they make everytime a game or level starts

[vague imp]

but then again?

who says it was his son..?imagine if he had nephew or something..ik its a stretch but

maybe?

[copper hawk]

doing the maths, Dale would be old enough to be at least his father

[vague imp]

well true

[copper hawk]

and since there are no other Vandermeer...

[vague imp]

(that we know of that is.)

[copper hawk]

Well...

[urban cloud]

This chat be like:

[copper hawk]

this whole channel, in fact

[urban cloud]

Yo you right

[copper hawk]

well it's meant to

[steady plover]

Meanwhile the devs are like:

[copper hawk]

x)

[urban cloud]

Tag yourself I’m Laura

[thin elk]

Boar4life

[vague imp]

Dale mostly due to the first bulletpoint

[copper hawk]

I think I'll have to mix some things

[vague imp]

add
cries internally at work although

[steady plover]

Mixture

[copper hawk]

-bad luck and mental problems
-mr Detective™
-will help you with everything
-leaves his room once a year
-a bit childish
-a good friend

yaaaaaaaaaaaay

I think I need prozac x)

[spice frigate]

I think I'll go with Laura, got so much common--

[copper hawk]

The only fictional character that looks a bit like me is literally me in every single aspect of my life

Okabe frome Steins;Gate 0
(it's important that it's the one from 0 and not the regular one)

just get rid of the time travel shit and it's me, so much so that I dress like him

blblblblbl

WE'RE NOT HERE FOR THAT

RUSTY LAAAAAAKE !!!

[urban cloud]

I gotta do some fanart

After I take a nap because I’m tired af

[steady plover]

moving away from the tag thing, sorry, if Albert wasn't so mental mess up ( i say that lovingly you mask wearing werido ), he'll probably be the most helpful sibling every.
Why?
Well, for starters, he has magically mask.
Emma needs to water her flowers, can just throw on his blue mask and there is a sudden rain-storm
Kids want snow, can just put on the white mask and suddenly it's snowing in Summer
like...seriosuly, Albert would probably be the most helpful sibling, if he was't so hell bent of killing his family!
Also, i got this idea from some fanart of Emma asking Albert for a water can, only to throw his blue mask on

[thin elk]

Hmmm

[steady plover]

i'll go hide in a ditch now, bye hides

[urban cloud]

It would be nice

[thin elk]

Albert wears masks that have special powers

He's a Toa :D

[urban cloud]

Albert helping his sibs

[vague imp]

Abirdinthetrap did make that comic already tho

[steady plover]

funny thing, that's where i got the idea from

[brisk cape]

Hey

[urban cloud]

im ded

[steady plover]

https://abirdinthetrap.tumblr.com/post/155477989833/albert-she-was-just-asking-for-a-watering-can
^this is the comic i got the idea from

[copper hawk]

x)

[urban cloud]

hes trying his best

[copper hawk]

not to murder her right away

[spice frigate]

First help, then murder - easy

[copper hawk]

Trying to make an albert emote
/°v_ °

[steady plover]

oh boy

[copper hawk]

x)

it's afraid of itself

it wants to kill me, before itself XD

[steady plover]

/°v_ °🔪
^ Albert in a nutshell

[copper hawk]

x)

💀🔪

no wonder why he wears masks

btw, explain how Emma got pregnant...

I'm so confused...

[steady plover]

flower power

[copper hawk]

That's exactly the answer I DIDN'T WANT TO HEAR

[spice frigate]

Pollen, just... pollen

[steady plover]

^ that as well

Also, Rusty Lake logic

[copper hawk]

@dim edge
Please, go back to your biology class...

why ?.....

just...

[vague imp]

ahem

[copper hawk]

I get that some things don't make any sense in this lake

[spice frigate]

@vague imp no, don't.

[vague imp]

deflowering means losing your virginity

[copper hawk]

but there are still some logic behind it

[vague imp]

youre welcome

[copper hawk]

yeah but...

[dreamy dawn]

i honestly think that the flower thing was just to represent her getting pregnant by some other dude so they didn't have to write him into the script

because that'd be too goddamn weird

[vague imp]

so it could be symbolism

maybe said dude ran away when he heard about Albert..

[dreamy dawn]

and frank doesn't look like his mom very much

compare frank to emma like you would samuel to leonard

there's other genes with frank

[copper hawk]

They showed us Albert killing the girl he loved using voodoo, extracting an egg from her body, masturbating into a flacon, and making a baby in vitro with all that

and Emma getting banged would be weird ?

[urban cloud]

It could be a guy who didn’t wanna take care of the child so just left Emma to take care of the baby by herself

[dreamy dawn]

because with albert there was a logical process towards making the baby

[steady plover]

i like the idea of the flowers getting her pergent more....., just because it's strange

[dreamy dawn]

creating a fake womb and impregnating the egg

as opposed to flowers knocking you up

[copper hawk]

It's strange, but it makes no sense, it's not even in a buddhist mytholog-
or is it ?...

[vague imp]

XD

things are getting a little wild on the rusty lake discord

plays guitar solo

[steady plover]

The series has floating cubes with mermories, talking animals who eat each other, and everyone is finding Emma getting preggers from flowers weird?
I-, ok then

[dreamy dawn]

the rusty lake discord is getting thorny

[steady plover]

this whole chat suddnely became the world's weirdest sex ed/biology lessons every

[dreamy dawn]

kek

[copper hawk]

XD

[dreamy dawn]

also ye because emma getting pregnant from some flowers is the only time it's happened and is completely unexplained

the memories are explained

atleast a little bit

and happen over the course of every game

[copper hawk]

@steady plover
The thing is, until now, everything involving humans was NORMAL
UNTIL EMMA

[dreamy dawn]

if it happened to every girl vanderboom like william is the world's horniest man

then i'd be able to accept it more probably

[steady plover]

for all we know Emma might be part plant
Her mom and dad did give her rain water ( of all things ) after all

.....

^ this is a joke

[dreamy dawn]

k but why would you give a baby wine

if we're on that subject

[urban cloud]

Because

[steady plover]

i would be even more confused if Emma was actually part plant
Because they are horrible parents???

Mary couldn't produce more milk????

Idk

It was there????

[dreamy dawn]

if they had a fourth baby they would've fed him gasoline

and he grows up to be a fire bender

[steady plover]

^ Knowing this game, that would probably would have happen

or they would just burn the house down

actually if we are on the topic of, "What if Mary and James had more childern, god forbid, what would they give them?" if they gave their kid, say like honey would they become a freaking bee

[dreamy dawn]

feed the sixth kid dog urine

and he grows up to be frank

[steady plover]

Oh God XD

[urban cloud]

STOP

[steady plover]

i just thought of something, and you guys can tell me if this wrong or like sorta true, idk
William is James's uncle, and the only relative we know of William is Mr.Crow...
So does that mean Mr. Crow is James's dad? maybe?

[copper hawk]

...

AND THIS IS WHY

THIS

IS EXACTLY WHY

I MADE THIS WIKI

https://rusty-lake-theories.wikia.com/?wiki-welcome=1

@steady plover

READ "FAMILY CONNECTIONS"

I'm not mad at you

Just exhausted

[brisk cape]

Wow

[copper hawk]

And

this page is far from done

I put 2 theories

I have many more

[plucky swallow]

I mean

There could be many theories

If he doesn’t know something going to an opiniâtre wiki

[copper hawk]

there a few that make sense with what we see in every game and all work together

[plucky swallow]

Shoot French autocorrect

Sry

Yeah ^^ agreed

[little inlet]

opiniâtre wiki 😂

[plucky swallow]

I don’t even know what that would be XD

[languid lantern]

@copper hawk I think the lake could be in the United States particularly New York

[copper hawk]

Oh yeah ?
Tell me more about it @languid lantern

I'm French and I don't remember what opiniâtre means .-.

oh, ok, someone that is opiniâtre is basically stuck with his ideas and listen to no one

[visual granite]

.............

Opinionated

The word looks like 'opinion' so...

[copper hawk]

so it's a fancy way to talk about a narrow-minded dickhead

[visual granite]

Yep.

That's basically French for "opinionated".

[copper hawk]

@visual granite sure, but not all words work like that
Proposition and prostitution look alike

[visual granite]

They share suffixes and prefixes, yes. But I mean English vs another language, i.e. French, not English vs English.

[copper hawk]

Yeah

Except it's the same in both languages for those words

Any -tion word is the same, in fact

[visual granite]

I mean, German "Reise" vs English "rise", "Sonne" vs "sun", "Mutter" vs "mother"...
Only a few words sure bu-

[copper hawk]

Take any -tion word in English
It's written the same way in French

The opposite is true

[visual granite]

Mm.

[copper hawk]

Well not ALL of them

But a good 95%

Deflation I guess isn't a French word...
I'll check

Nevermind, it's a French word XD

Just add a é and you're good

there is one exception, but I mean it's 1 letter less...

and idk if I can use it here

I mean, swearing is one thing

talking about more or less detailed sex is another

So I'll just use private message x)

[copper hawk]

@languid lantern
I'm curious so feel free to talk about your theory whenever you can

[brisk cape]

Hey, I'm new here... Have you ever talked about what Mr. Owl really wants?

[visual granite]

I would guess immortality or whatever the Gold Cube offers.

But it's been a while since I played the games.

[brisk cape]

And If he wants to resurrect his mother?

(sorry for the bad English, I'm brazilian)

[plucky swallow]

@copper hawk I honestly didn’t know what opiniâtre was I was on the English keyboard too so idk why it autocorrected that

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[copper hawk]

So as I was saying

she died at about 64, and was born around 1840

now those are French graphs, but it's close enough to the netherlands

(Don't worry about what's written, it's just the wars
what's important is the average age of death in function of your year of birth)

So since it's 40

being generous and adding 20 years because of infantile deaths

she died at the right age

[languid lantern]

I can't tell if it takes place in Europe or America the accents make me think you're up and specially with the Dutch last names

e I think mr. Owl was genuinely there in paradox he steer the lake but he's also the caretaker

[copper hawk]

once again, dutch names is just easier for the devs

there are games set in America with japanese insects for the sake of simplicity

[languid lantern]

Yeah but the Dutch names are packed with meaning

If you know their last name and literally says some quality about them

[copper hawk]

Yes

and it would have been harder to hide this kind of meaning in american names

[languid lantern]

I also won't lie the Dutch name sound pretty cool to my American hears

I'm trying to figure out so how the earlier games play into the later ones

They're all connected but they're incredibly esoteric prior to Dale's introduction

[copper hawk]

before case 23, it was... pretty much all their own games

and they tried to connect them

but it doesn't make much sense

[languid lantern]

They can it's just a lot of recon

Because that's when we office start to get the iconic characters Dale after the movies definitely one but really it's mr. Crow mr. Owl before that the iconic character was Harvey

The woman she's kind of bland

She's only become more interested with her relation to the lore

See with the woman their giving meaning to a blank character.

[copper hawk]

Laura is a weak character
She's just there to die

[languid lantern]

She has more they just got to figure it out

[copper hawk]

hey

why not

I hope so

[languid lantern]

And it's kind of weird because it was her triumphs over her own Darkness in her heart

And now we're just see her in this death spiral she's to sting we Chase

She a thing*

I mean Dale himself is an archetype of the classic detective but he's still given more depth through that

I also noticed he once never uses his gun

And I honestly do appreciate playing characters that are adults

Interesting if they left his son in there he minimally would have been a teenager not a young man in his early twenties

[manic glade]

I guess he’s smart enough to realize once the animal-head magic people come out you’ve gone past the point of using a gun

[thorn coral]

[copper hawk]

Is there somebody here that knows my theories well enough to complete the wiki ?

I don't really have much time ^^"

if not it's ok, but it would be great

[shy pecan]

Speculation is not encyclopedic

[copper hawk]

?

[plucky swallow]

I agree with @shy pecan

[copper hawk]

I don't understand

[copper hawk]

You know what ?
Since I'm so arrogant, I'll leave you with your half baked theories and "new elements" that i already got a year ago, and I'll just continue to update my wiki page

You need me more than I need you to understand what is going on in these games
So good luck

[torpid nova]

how old are u?

[dreamy dawn]

dude......

it's not that they're saying your theories are wrong it's that other theories are possible

that's why most of them opened up their sentences with "yeah you could be right"

[copper hawk]

Possible, yes, but not as plausible

[plucky swallow]

Your theories could very well be right

[torpid nova]

It’s just ur attitude bro

[plucky swallow]

They are very well thought out

[copper hawk]

They're too much thought out .-.

[nova star]

👶

[torpid nova]

The “I figured all this out a year before everyone else” like. Who cares if you dedicate your life and predict everything correctly, you’re acting rlly rude lmao

[nova star]

LOL

[torpid nova]

Catch more flies with honey

[plucky swallow]

^

[nova star]

Respect for the individual my dudes

[copper hawk]

I'm as respectful as I can right now...

[torpid nova]

It’s not about your theories and predictions, that’s all. I really love reading what you’ve written, but maybe when it comes to interaction you can listen to what people say (that you’re coming off as arrogant and rude) and apologize for the actions (not the theories) and just sorta like...use the feedback to improve how you interact on the server via people and not associate it with us bagging your theories (cause we aren’t.)

For example:
“I’m as respectful as I can right now...”
to
“Oh, I’m sorry about that, I didn’t mean for it to come off that way! I’ll try phrasing stuff differently next time.”

[copper hawk]

Except I'm way too pissed of to do apologies right now

[torpid nova]

Idk. It sucks to be introspective but people respect you much more if you can accept it without rejecting feedback

Ok, take a breather then

[vague imp]

maybe go off discord for a lil while

have some tea

or water

[torpid nova]

For yourself, not for us

Like just self care bro

Relax, be mindful

Come back and express why you got agitated and how we can interact with you better as well

[copper hawk]

I'm not rejecting feedback, but just... there are things that make no sense...
And some people still hold onto it, with no proof or even a reason...

[torpid nova]

All about compromise

[dreamy dawn]

hey r.e.d, i don't think you're a loser for liking rusty lake this much

idk you keep talking about that

i just wanted to mention it again

i think anyone that would think you're an idiot or something for being "obsessed" with a game is perhaps a bit of a loser themselves

[torpid nova]

I know that seeing people believe in something you can’t see making any sense is super frustrating, like it makes ur blood boil

[dreamy dawn]

we only have 1 life so why care about how others live theirs

[copper hawk]

It's not that I'm a loser, it's just that I pretty much have no life .-.

[torpid nova]

Like pulling out ur hair “omg why can’t you see this!?!??”

But think of it this way

[dreamy dawn]

ahh

well here's the thing red

[torpid nova]

Is it making this person happy to theorize this? Are they having fun?

If so, just let it be

You can give your input but if they wanna keep theorizing they can

That’s on them, you’re not responsible to try and convince someone of the right thing if they don’t wanna hear it

Like religion lmao

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[copper hawk]

@torpid nova
Like for exemple, people still arguing Paradox was the last game, when it's clearly a "to be continued", with many elements I will NOT list AGAIN, and the devs that said MANY TIMES now that they're WAAAAYYYY from done with se series

[torpid nova]

Ok?

That is frustrating, but why do you want to convince everyone?

[copper hawk]

Like, why are you stressing yourself over this being the last ?
You're stressing me !

[torpid nova]

When the next game comes out they’ll look back and realize

Do what makes u happy, don’t press it on others

[vague imp]

yeah if they think its the last one

they think its the last one..

what can u really do?

[torpid nova]

I gotta go take a calc final, see ya 💕 take a breather and self care n all that

[vague imp]

gl

[torpid nova]

Paw

[visual granite]

Good luck Music Box!

And you can't change people's thoughts RED.

You can only keep yourself in line so you don't upset others.

[torpid nova]

Thanks y’all I need 2 crush these numbers

Crunch those equations

[copper hawk]

Ok so

I'll stop talking about theories for a while

And continue to update my wiki and post it here

It'll be more productive than just explaining every single time

[copper hawk]

There, for the ones that don't believe Paradox is a memory (or the ones that want more detailed explanation) :
The cubes > Dale
https://rusty-lake-theories.wikia.com/wiki/Rusty_Lake_Theories_Wiki

Sighs
Maybe I should kill my Laura too...

[dreamy dawn]

you have a pet laura?

[plucky swallow]

Doesn’t everybody?

[dreamy dawn]

not me

[plucky swallow]

😂

[copper hawk]

No I'm saying this like the symbolism of Dale killing Laura

Reeeaaad the wikiii to understaaand @.@

Makes weird hand gestures

[copper hawk]

[bold owl]

Nope, don't be rude, both of you

[nova star]

???

i mean i say no or yes randomly as an opener but sure

thanks

[dreamy dawn]

when i was going through the game first i was worried you HAD to put the cubes and then left to right

like dale did in the movie

or else you got some bad ending

[plucky swallow]

Me too

But it’s the same

[bold owl]

Same tbh, but I think the order doesn't matter

[dreamy dawn]

are mr crows' hands normally human colored?

i forget

it looks weird

[plucky swallow]

@dreamy dawn no they aren’t always
That’s weird, I never noticed that

Wait

Unless....

Maybe he’s wearing gloves in the others?

It’s hard to tell

[copper hawk]

Yes, it's gloves

Considering the year, his clothes, that he's kinda rich, and the fact that he has a cane

it's gloves

[dreamy dawn]

guys i found some rusty lake r34

super nsfw

[bold owl]

oh dear

[mortal marten]

lewd

[daring eagle]

What's the list of the games. The 1st to last . Like the order

[dreamy dawn]

it explains it in #📚｜resources

[daring eagle]

So I'm new to this. Like "series" what are the most common theories

[copper hawk]

I'll have to finish this wiki FAST

what games did you play ? @daring eagle

[daring eagle]

I've paid case 23, lake, and birthday

[copper hawk]

wow

you have a lot to go x)

there are 14 games in total

[daring eagle]

Can u give me the rundown of the backstry

[copper hawk]

uh

the spoiler-free one ?

[daring eagle]

Yea

[copper hawk]

Yeah, well, Dale is a detective that works on "Case 23", the death of a young woman, either murder or suicide
After months of research, he goes to the mental health and relaxation centre of Rusty Lake, since the woman won a prize there
He meets Mr. Crow that convinces him to go down that weird elevator, into the Lake.
Birthday is a memory of Dale's 9th birthday, when the magician showed up to the party and killed everyone.
Dale didn't go back in time and saved the day
They all died
It's just the Lake that gave him a chance to feel better in his memory

Yes, the Lake is alive

I can't really tell much more without spoiling you

[daring eagle]

How did dale's grandfather know the magician was coming

[copper hawk]

Also, Mr. Crow is Dale's grandpa

[daring eagle]

He got the gun and said "I'm ready"

[copper hawk]

Oh he didn't know

well

I don't know if he really knew

[daring eagle]

It seemed like it

[copper hawk]

Mr. Crow is Dale's grandpa, so maybe he knew
but he was "killed"

he only "knew" in the second half of the memory

the half where the Lake, using the Hand, helped Dale feel better

that second half never actually happened

they just all died

end of story

:3

[daring eagle]

Yeah why do hands and finger pop up every freaking where

[copper hawk]

It's the Lake's physical incarnation

It's weird...

[honest magnet]

I mean, it's very ambguous and we don't know for certain if they really all died or whatever

[daring eagle]

The "Lake" is it a real or imaginary place

[copper hawk]

Paradox confirms they at least all seemed dead

It...

Uh...

ok

I'll have to give you my wiki page

but

only

read

[honest magnet]

I always place the Lake in a weird state that fluctuates between an afterlife and the physical world

[daring eagle]

I have too many questions my brains gonna explode

[copper hawk]

"The lake in real life"

nothing else

ok ?

Only read "the lake in real life" if you want to avoid spoilers...
Because it's really heavy stuff

https://rusty-lake-theories.wikia.com/wiki/Rusty_Lake_Theories_Wiki

[daring eagle]

Does your wiki page do a walkthrough and how to? I dont want that I hate cheating so is ur wiki just theories and stuff

[copper hawk]

even then

there are spoilers in it

No, it's just my theories

[daring eagle]

Ok!

[copper hawk]

bc i'm tired of explaining every time

x)

Btw
And I don't want to brag by saying this, but it's just to inform you
I'm the one around here with the more knowledge about the details in the games,
the more theories, the more thought out and detailed
SO
If you have ANY question
feel free to ask, there are really few chances I don't have an answer

questions about the games

I'm not a god that know every subject

Yeah, yeah, Pixel, I know, I shouldn't put this back on the table, I'm sorry...
It's just... I'm still frustrated...

[plucky swallow]

Only the lobster donkey can be god 😀

[copper hawk]

x)

May the Lobster Donkey show me the way to peace and forgiveness

[dreamy dawn]

lobster donkey will be the key to solving world war 3

[copper hawk]

hopefully

[plucky swallow]

^^

[copper hawk]

At least it would mean I was useful at some point .-.

I might need to call Aldous for some prozac...

[plucky swallow]

Hmm

I just realized

“Dark town” may not be near Rusty lake at all

Because it is unlikely dale grew up in Rusty Lake

But let’s say bday and seasons/case 23 are different town

Though I’m not sure

Harvey’s box was moving to rusty lake from the seasons room

And Laura was calling Rusty Lake from her regular home before being kinda killed and brought to the mill and kinda going to the cabin

I’m not too sure

Is Dark Town even the town from bday/seasons/case 23 anyway?

[copper hawk]

I don't know if Dark town is the name of the town

But what I do know is that the tree under which Mr. Rabbit died

is the same as the one in front of Laura's house

[plucky swallow]

That’s what I thought

[copper hawk]

And this town isn't really far from the Lake

[plucky swallow]

But it’s possible they are different, because that would mean Dale and Laura’s houses were beside each other

[copper hawk]

it's not right next to it

but it's not far

[plucky swallow]

True you don’t know that Harvey really took a long trip at all

But it would be weird to send a package to Rusty lake when you were already there

[copper hawk]

yeah, but Rusty Lake is close enough to make adds in the newspaper

yet, far enough to have to make an add

[plucky swallow]

So probably not right next

But the town wouldn’t be part of rusty lake I don’t think

That’s what I used to think

But who knows

Maybe the town is beside the lake which is a special contained mental facility thingy, so you could still win a trip there even if you were right beside it

[copper hawk]

According to my Leaf Rapids theory

the city is 30km away from Rusty Lake

it fits

I know I'm annoying

But it still works

[plucky swallow]

I didn’t say that...

Your right that does work

And I think that’s a cool theory

[copper hawk]

Yeah, it's really in the middle of nowhere x)

[plucky swallow]

Although if the trees are the same, does that mean dale grew up in Rusty Lake and forgot about it or something?

[copper hawk]

I think either he got out of there as soon as he could because of his trauma

or the mayor sent him out because he was afraid for his life

there is no sign of him discovering anything

nor recognizing anything

It's just vague memories

[plucky swallow]

Hmm...

The mystery deepens!

[copper hawk]

if he was there when he was a kid

then we're good

he knows about the city from vague childish memories

but never got to Rusty Lake

[plucky swallow]

Yeah

Or never even heard about it

[copper hawk]

also, in Birthday

Mr. Rabbit isn't Mr. Rabbit

it's David

[plucky swallow]

Oh idk I haven’t played roots or paradise

[copper hawk]

It's just that since Dale was a kid, he thought it was a real rabbit

but it was just a mask

[plucky swallow]

Why did he need the pistol though?

From his past life?

[copper hawk]

yup

[plucky swallow]

No spoilers plz if it’s from those

[copper hawk]

well...

the only thing I can say

is that the guests are reincarnations of the Eilander

and it's Mrs. Pheasant's pistol

so it's his sister's pistol

that's why he needs it to balance his past lives

[dreamy dawn]

"mr rabbit isn't mr rabbit"

i was playing through hotel earlier

and i wanted to mention this

if the two rabbits aren't related what's the explanation for

[copper hawk]

there are 2 rabbit ?

[dreamy dawn]

hotel rabbit's black cube

[copper hawk]

I figured you were gonna say that X)

[dreamy dawn]

turning into birthday rabbit's form

[copper hawk]

those are two different rabbits

because

of

whiskers

the one outside has whiskers

the ghost doesn't

[plucky swallow]

But one could be a different incarnation of the other

[copper hawk]

and since it's the same game

it would make no sense

not to use the same sprite twice

for the same character

[plucky swallow]

Mr rabbit —> white rabbit

[copper hawk]

hnnnnnn I'm not totally sure about that

because the Lake gave David yet another chance

because in Birthday he was there as David

as confirmed in Paradox

[plucky swallow]

Was it?

In chapter 2 (I also haven’t played :P)

[copper hawk]

Yes, it's in chapter 2...

sorry

in Birthday itself, he was "Mr. Rabbit"
But from the perspective of a 9yo kid, a simple mask of a rabbit is a whole "Rabbit-man"

[plucky swallow]

It says that in chapter 2?

I’ve gotta get it

[copper hawk]

you see David in person many times

in the past, on the TV, and in the head

and every time, it's David, and not Mr. Rabbit

[plucky swallow]

I’m confused lol

[copper hawk]

x)

[dreamy dawn]

i swear to god the next character is gonna be named Dave

and then Darick

[copper hawk]

just imagine that instead of a humanoid bunny, it was a guy with a mask

[dreamy dawn]

just to make this even more hard to follow

[plucky swallow]

Dale and Dave and Darrick and Dan

No I meant how Paradox showed it was a mask

[copper hawk]

I already call Dale Dave when there is no Dave

[plucky swallow]

Maybe they’ll be more mr and mrs animals too

[copper hawk]

And Samuel Simon

[plucky swallow]

Pheasant pigeon

Anyways gn all

[copper hawk]

bye

[plucky swallow]

😴

[languid lantern]

I’m replaying it from the beginning we cannot ignore lake and seasons

It’s very strange because the whole process of season is her overcoming her Corruption

And then in the means of lake gives her a chance to fight

There’s something purposely weird about timeline

That’s why dates matter so much but they’re also confusing in this series

Because we now know the hand has always been Mr. owl

[copper hawk]

Ok, the thing is
We only know we play as Laura in Lake because of the timeline

but who released that timeline ?

[languid lantern]

Was released two years ago

[copper hawk]

yeah, but who ?

[languid lantern]

Rusty lake

[copper hawk]

it's official ?

because it makes NO SENSE

[languid lantern]

http://blog.rustylake.com/updated-chronology/

It’s constantly in flux but also what they released about for example the animal guest on twitter matters

What makes this difficult is now their meta outside sources

[copper hawk]

the guests, I already explained why it's true, but not totally

[languid lantern]

My friend you cannot speak with objective certainty about that when it a theory

We all our Speculating here

[copper hawk]

Sure, but it's the only thing that makes sense for now

so unless you have a better theory...

[languid lantern]

I’m still figuring it out because I don’t agree with everything you say and you are no more of authority on this and I am or anyone else in here.

We have to account for for Van Gogh

I have to pay attention to the similarities between the different games

[copper hawk]

I'm not of authority, I know, but I still have the theories that make the most sense

[languid lantern]

We have to look how they use meta-outside commentary

The film completely change the game and how we view this

Because That comic book is going to be important

[copper hawk]

Van Gogh is still a mystery for me
I think I used all the similarities I found between the games in some theories
every meta source I have no clue about, you'll have to give them to me .-.
the film... well if you use my Paradox Memory theory, then since it's all in his head, the thing that Movie Dale exists is just... there, and it makes sense in its own universe

[languid lantern]

We honestly have no clue how immortal work

We don’t know what’s the limit or extent of their power

Or there a relationship with the lake

Maybe the next game will find out the origin of Harvey

We know Mr. Owl is the ruler of the lake. The other immortal are subservient to him

[copper hawk]

We do know that they were all given immortality by the Lake, though

[languid lantern]

But also in a hotel he has a relationship with the late he maintains it

The lake*

Even though he rules there a symbiotic relationship

Reminds me of the old Irish and Fisher Kings

See a similar thing in Africa

[copper hawk]

The Lake only gives him powers because he needs to be constantly fed memories
Other than that, I think Owl is useless to it

[languid lantern]

Where the king is the land or connected to the land

I think it’s a little more than that

Maybe the leak needs memories to exist and for them to maintain their immortality they need to keep the lake alive

We also need to figure out what Laura was experiencing

Both in Lake in the cab

[copper hawk]

when ?

oh

Btw

this is where it makes no sense to me

just hear me out, ok ?

if she was in The Lake

then that means she used her ticket there ?

but why keep that newspaper for 2 years

[languid lantern]

Well she is mentally unstable In someway

I am wondering if she’s wrestling with her past self

And her death is the cause of that

And the corruption of her soul she overcomes that in the lake. With of reforming her memories

I’m still trying to figure out how lake comes in the play though

[copper hawk]

maybe she was a kind of maniac or OCD

[languid lantern]

The events of seasons allow her to overcome what happens in the lake

Which is a very particularly strange brand of Corruption

[copper hawk]

except
Seasons as Laura overcoming her corruption

happened after her murder

[languid lantern]

Where she gets a code

Theletter overcome the corruption in lake

[copper hawk]

so you mean that the alternative end of The Lake would also be a memory ?

but an altered one

[languid lantern]

Both of them are

[copper hawk]

huh

[languid lantern]

The pass is not dead it’s not even the past

Every character in this game has some reason They want to change the past

Every character in this game has some reason I want to change the past

[copper hawk]

except Owl that is focused on the future and the guests on the present

but other than that, you're right

[languid lantern]

Hmm the winter of 1981 matters

I just have no clue how

[copper hawk]

I think it's like the other half of Birthday

it didn,t actually happen and it's the Lake that made it to help Laura

[languid lantern]

She free herself from corrupt goes back in time to the spring of 1964

Yes and no

[copper hawk]

the original is just an empty house that no one bought because of the murder case

[languid lantern]

It could he nature of corrupt slant her view or reality

[copper hawk]

which means she freed herself from her corruption after 1981

[languid lantern]

Well made a machine that free from the corrupt by change the past

[copper hawk]

what do you mean by that ?

[languid lantern]

It purge her of her corruption in 64

So it change the past

It ends with her looking back at herself in 81 smiling

The only time we see her smile

The lake happen in 64

[copper hawk]

Tha Lake happens in 69

[languid lantern]

it allowed her to unlock the vault and defeat the corrupt soul

My mistake on the year

The lake have the fish

[copper hawk]

but it's not new for the Lake to create a bizarre contraption to change the memories of the past
That's what happened with Dale's birthday present

[thorn coral]

hey how is that browser game called again?

[languid lantern]

Which one

Cube escape

[copper hawk]

but when the Lake does that, it only changes the memory

the facts don't move

[languid lantern]

I don’t know it seems like it actually change the past.

How does Van Gogh fit into it

[copper hawk]

@thorn coral
Pretentious game

1 to 5

[languid lantern]

Suicide was defeat his corruption

Hmm

[copper hawk]

no

he didn't kill himself

[languid lantern]

@copper hawk how old are you red

[copper hawk]

nearly 18

[languid lantern]

Awwww

[thorn coral]

k thanks

[languid lantern]

That make sense

[copper hawk]

-_-

[languid lantern]

OK things get better you are only in the prologue of your life

[copper hawk]

He didn't kill himself
He was hearing voices
Because of his mental condition

So he cut his ear, which is where the "craziness" came from
and he "got inside"
he got into the other side of himself, by going through his ear

and that "other side" is where his craziness lived
his own corruption

and he killed his corruption

but he didn't kill himself

[languid lantern]

Hmm

[copper hawk]

it's all symbolism

[languid lantern]

I have to replay but that sounds right

Explain Harvey box

We need to work on that one

Their is a lot of mirror things between seasons and paradox.

[copper hawk]

Harvey's Box is just Laura bringing Harvey with her to Rusty Lake, to the Cabin
and he's passing the time
and after attacking Laura, Mrs. Pigeon checks the box and tries to attack Harvey

Yes, it's Mrs. Pigeon, there are not many souls with wings

and we see a pigeon helping Harvey open the box just before

most likely Mrs. Pigeon's son

or herself

idk

I'll have to go

bye

[languid lantern]

Hmmm

Both Laura and Van Gogh are trying to remember

Laura discovered an abandoned cabin in 69

[granite karma]

nice

[daring eagle]

Hey I need help on the mill cube !! The grandmas teeth?

Why are we in the POV of a crow? Or bird in harveys box

[honest magnet]

because Harvey is the name of the parrot in the games and that's who you're playing as

[dreamy dawn]

@daring eagle what do you mean the grandma's teeth? you gotta make the numbers on both the top and bottom match

so if on the top you hit V

then clicking two teeth that have 2 and 3 dots

will click all 3 teeth in

[daring eagle]

Finished it! Why everytime the shadow people come everyone or thing whos alive gets killed🤔

[dreamy dawn]

i guess cause the shadow people are vengeful spirits

[languid lantern]

Think in this game series we play as corrupt spirit couple of times

It seems like they are lost trying to remember who they are.

[languid lantern]

The recurring theme is all our protagonist's are lost in some fashion either returning home or putting their mind back together need memories or incredibly literal

[deep terrace]

Depression seems to be a big theme and you could interpret a lot of things in that context, especially for the earlier cube escape games

[thorn coral]

Guys go to #cube-escape-series-help i have a question there (it cointains small spoilers)

[languid lantern]

@deep terrace I haven't even thought of it and you know it you're right it's recurring

I just finished the first original four again

They're important I'm just trying to figure them out

Because after Harvey box it's a big shift

For all intensive purposes the game gets more concrete

[languid lantern]

I should take it back it's kind of grounded

When Dale shaves his face the hair turns into a baby crow

Also deal handles really strange stuff like it's nothing

[manic glade]

Surrealism!

The best kind of -ism

[copper hawk]

Dale has mental problems himself, so maybe it's just that

[languid lantern]

I don't think hallucinating

It's all very strange his case 23 rounds up the previous four games

You see the reference to Lake seasons Arle and Harvey box

[copper hawk]

I mean the beard crow is just a hallucination because of him working too much I think

[vague imp]

sleepiness leads to seeing things

[copper hawk]

It's clearly said multiple time that this case is killing him

[languid lantern]

He did feed it to a cat

He seen how handle the door Just disappearing

Laura body acting out

[copper hawk]

he works too much, doesn't sleep enough, constantly drinks coffee, and do nothing all day except searching connexions for the case

it's not healthy

[languid lantern]

I think it’s a subtle hint that he may have relation to Mr. Crow

I mean that could be the case.

[copper hawk]

I basically do the same with this series except I don't drink coffee

And I can tell you it's not a good thing

[languid lantern]

coffee is life

[copper hawk]

sleep

don't do like me and play Rusty Lake games over and over until 2-3 AM to collect even more details

x)

gtg

[languid lantern]

I do not

I have seven classes

[copper hawk]

Oh, me too, don't worry :3

[languid lantern]

Thanks brother. If you want to play another cool weird game try Cultist Simulator

[copper hawk]

22$ is a bit much for me .-.

but thanks

[languid lantern]

I forget your kid

So that would be

[copper hawk]

I'm young, but i'm not "a kid", thanks...

[languid lantern]

....brother your kid trust me. Maturity is a slow and painful road.

Be thankful that you are. Your young enough to make mistake and people will not judge you harshly for it

[mossy girder]

"kid" is supposed to be under 15 though :p Even if you're right (and although it DOES depend on what life throws at you), it can be quite mean to some :)

Be nice everyone <3

[languid lantern]

Oh yeah. I reflect on how my experience life all the time in my own Evolution of self throughout my ages.

Unless Life has done you incredibly wrong there’s very few mature 18-year-olds. I know 23 and 24 that have maturity and 15-year-olds. I know divorced men in their mid-40s with professional confidence but the mental maturity of a teenager. From my own subjective experience maturity is gain from experience reflection and taking responsibility.

Which are all incredibly scary things especially when I was his age. Honestly I’ll probably make the real age of maturity or 25.

dare say what we think of maturity is a type of wisdom and men are terrible at it.

[mossy girder]

Very true. I don't think there really is a universal age for maturity. You slowly grow it, and it's different for everyone. I do know a bunch of people that life wasn't kind to, and age is marked across their face.

[languid lantern]

Almost likely that a terrible shame that happened

There’s very few people that had just the right combination of parents and good sense to gain that maturity in the least painful way possible.

But that’s incredibly rare but I have met them.

[mossy girder]

No maturity is gained without pain, imo

If your parents aren't mature enough, you're forced to grow too soon to compensate for exemple

costs you your younger years of fun and innocence

[languid lantern]

That sadly more common then not and finding positive the mature masculinity is also quite hard

I look at both of my fathers I try to take the best of them but I do not want to fully emulate them

[mossy girder]

You take the good you see :D

[languid lantern]

Indeed.

Speaking of I’m thinking is the first four games wrapped up in case 23

It’s a weird disconnect from how focus the story is on Dale

And it seems like Mr. Owl was looking for him as the successor. Because could solved the problem with the lake

I will not lie I kind a want Mr. Owl Rusty Lake Business Sim just to see how he made his money and his relationship with the Lake

Because time is so funky in this series

Least in case of Corrupt Souls it seem like then can time travel a bit

I am trying to figure out how Laura own harvest of memories go with her timeline

@mossy girder thanks for the kind words

[mossy girder]

The games take a weird approach of everything, forces us to see things from an unusual point of view

For one, the Hotel is a good way to make money ! He lures people, they probably pay good money, and get harvested for memories to throw into the lake.

[copper hawk]

I'm not gonna enter this debate about maturity, but I'm really confident that I'm not a kid

[shy pecan]

I'm 32, and people still call me kid. I can't wait until I'm 84 and some 85 year old tells me "you're just a little boy, recently born from your 107 year old mother's womb."

[copper hawk]

x)

[shy pecan]

Oh, but I saw the cutest thing a while back. I was in the waiting room at the local clinic when a couple came in. The lady told the receptionist "I have the birthday boy with me." The man she was with said "Just turned ninety-one today. Nearly grown up now."

I guess what I'm saying is I hope when I get that far along my wife still tells me happy birthday.

[plucky swallow]

Aw, that’s sweet 😃

[languid lantern]

@shy pecan that too bloody cute😊.

@J.Mad#7065

I wonder how it would since he rules the lake. How they use to cube it allows them to exist different places in time and see into the future and past.

@mossy girder

[outer storm]

Soo , in for a lot but , whats the story of Rusty Lake ? I do know some things , I played few games , and watched few videos explaining stuff , but still It's all blurry and complicated

[copper hawk]

I'm trying to put all my lore theories in a single wiki
they are either theories that everyone came up with on their own, or things that make too much sense to not be true
it's not at all complete, but still, you can have a start here :
https://rusty-lake-theories.wikia.com/wiki/Rusty_Lake_Theories_Wiki

@outer storm

I didn't even write every proofs there are for the ones I've already put in there

[visual granite]

It's basically the story of three, now four, people

One is a man that was almost killed Salem Witch Trials style by his family but was saved by the memories/spirit of his mother

Another is an alchemist who loses his brother to an immortality elixir whose success rate is 50/50 and is either (limited) eternal life in the form of an animal-headed being or insta-death

And the third is the dead brother who is gradually brought back from the dead as a lady only for said lady to have... Issues with herself
Supernatural issues I mean

And Person #4 is a cop brought in to investigate person #3's murder and gets in waaaaaay over his head

[copper hawk]

Yeah, that's the abridged version of what's explicitly said at least

[visual granite]

As for the games, the ones entitled "Cube Escape" are the main story games centered around 3 and 4, while the "Rusty Lake" ones are mainly backstory on 1 and 2.

[dreamy dawn]

super abridged version of the lore:

two guys wanted to make an elixir

hijinks ensued

[copper hawk]

Cubes
And
Escape

Moral of the story : if you live near a Lake
Run

Also if you're Dutch, your name literally is what you are

And reincarnation doesn't work, you still die, even earlier than what you're supposed to

Way to use the death of your brother's descendants, William

Those sacrifices really were worth it

[plucky swallow]

@outer storm this page has a timeline image for up to theatre at the bottom on gallery

https://rusty-lake.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline

It helps to figure things out (kinda)

[languid lantern]

The think is

Is all supernatural magic realism

But their a solid timeline

[copper hawk]

And buddhism

[languid lantern]

It Hinduism

[copper hawk]

Both, actually

[languid lantern]

Or the book dead Tibet Buddhism they love that wild stuff

[copper hawk]

The wheel of life is a Buddhist belief

[languid lantern]

Entire cycle with list different place of caste of reincarnation is Hindu think your trying to see past the maya

I think our good man Dale have some type of relationship to Mr. Crow

And possible inheriting Mr Owl Mantle

[copper hawk]

If you consider that Aldous is Dale's grandpa, then... Yeah

[plucky swallow]

@outer storm it’s hard to give a definite explanation of the games because there is so much that we don’t know! I would suggest playing the games (if you haven’t already), formulating your own theories, and bringing them up here so people can add on and stuff

That’s what makes these fun, everybody has different ideas and it’s fun to share them and discuss 😀

[shy pecan]

There are many immortal characters, and the immortalist of them is a parrot named Harvey. We're not sure what gender they are because they lay eggs and also dress like a male and have the name Harvey. Importantly they are a good birb, no matter whose deaths they were responsible for.

[plucky swallow]

Harvey’s awesome

I’m glad you go back on time and save him after you stab him 😛

Can the corrupted souls speak?

[shy pecan]

Only through Rose?

[plucky swallow]

Ok I am getting the premiums this weekend I think I am missing a lot XD

The soul talks in mill but I always assumed he was talking through Harvey...?

Idk

[shy pecan]

Oh boy, imagine if Rose had the power of using masks like her father Albert did, but she also used it to communicate with the dead. Like she puts on a Pheasant mask and channels Elizabeth.

@plucky swallow I think in that instance it was Mister Crow speaking to the corrupted soul. I think that because of the backwards speech.

[plucky swallow]

Ok I’m an idiot for 3 years I’ve thought that was the soul using Harvey to speak!

It is mr crow

That make a lot of sense too with what he’s saying

🤦‍♂️

And the text is on the bottom

[shy pecan]

Hehe, it's alright.

[plucky swallow]

wow that emoji looks different on pc...

[shy pecan]

What does it look like on PC?

[plucky swallow]

pc:

apple

it adds a symbol

on pc

and changes the gender

thats odd that it would do that

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[manic glade]

I guess there is no male version

So they just do the female one with the symbol for “male”

[languid lantern]

It's weird because he does get refer to with male pronouns

[plucky swallow]

Who?

It’s funny how you end up thinking of different people online as different genders, when you really have no idea

Your brain kind of assigns a pronoun based on how they act or their profile pic, which is just stereotyping but you do it subconsciously

[languid lantern]

I talking about Harvey

[plucky swallow]

Oh ok 😂

[languid lantern]

The last time I played was hotel and I'm pretty sure he got referred to as a male

[plucky swallow]

Maybe it is a rusty lake parrot and it is genderless

I’m not sure

[shy pecan]

Anyone notice all the red haired women are witches?

[outer storm]

Thank you guys so much ! I understand some of the plot , and I'll be trying to reveal the secrets of the series . All though , I have to ask , are the stories of 1 , 2 and 3,4 tied together ? Silly question I know but still

[copper hawk]

they are all tied in some way

Just... Arles... and Van Gogh...

are the deepest mystery of this series

[shy pecan]

We're talking about Mister Owl, Mister Crow, Dale Vandermeer, and Laura Vanderboom?

[copper hawk]

Oh I though you were talking about the games

they all "work together" in some way

Dale is inspecting Laura's murder
Owl is Crow's boss
Laura is the reincarnation of Crow's brother
I theorized that Dale is Crow's grandson
and Owl uses Dale and Laura for his unknown plans

I think that's all

[dreamy dawn]

so @copper hawk i don't entirely understand why so maybe you could help explain

with mr rabbit

why does the corrupted soul of mr rabbit in hotel

when viewed turn into white rabbit

but then the shadow of white rabbit in birthday, that you see through the window

is just a normal corrupted soul

is it two different souls in birthday?

one of the hotel's rabbit and one of d eilander?

[copper hawk]

no it's just that...

uh

souls can have different forms

and sometimes even close to their physical body

• in Birthday the Lake gave a new body to David, because it was David, and not Mr. Rabbit. he was wearing a mask so Dale thought he was a real "rabbit-man"

[plucky swallow]

Is it supposed to be day or night in seasons: fall?

[copper hawk]

it's day

there are just milky clouds

[plucky swallow]

That’s what I thought

Is this an Easter egg?

I’ve never seen it before

[copper hawk]

UUUUUH

maybe a texture bug

[plucky swallow]

I was helping a friend play it and it did that

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Maybe @dim edge made it go night one out of one hundred times or something

Idk

[placid tulip]

This is from an update
It has been there for a while

After The Cave released a few months I guessed?
I remember seeing that when replaying

[languid lantern]

Does anyone wonder how are favorite boy In well has type of education or does not have the mental mature of 8 year old

Because normal such Intensive isolation causes massive learning disability

[copper hawk]

He was not alone

Albert kept him alive and well... as well as possible in those conditions, at least

[languid lantern]

What you think Albert going to school him for 37 years

[copper hawk]

not school him

but at least teach him a bit

at least how to read and write

[dreamy dawn]

plus he might've also learned a bit before he got thrown down a well

[copper hawk]

Yeah

[dreamy dawn]

he knows some things but not others

see: him not noticing the off taste of dog piss

[shy pecan]

He was schooled by the lake.

[copper hawk]

Fertility 1884
The Swing 1891
So Frank was 6

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....guys real

His mental age would been six

By time of his escape

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when put into those extreme conditions, you're forced to grow mentaly

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But come off as the most mature of the cousins

No you do not

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what if along with fish and water they sent down textbooks?

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It been proven that will handicap you

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dude, just being depressed ages you mentally up to a few years

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what if albert yelled school lectures down the well from time to time

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"WHAT IS TWO PLUS oh hey!" "Albert, why are you yelling math down the well?" "....no reason"

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Their is several tragic case similar to this in rl un to the current day kids are emotionally scarred and mentally disabled from it because The natural mental capacity was screwed by the Isolation

@manic glade that funny and would be the age when started learning that

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Except

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@granite karma I wish

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in those case, the kids were left alone, right ?

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We can assume the second generation was educated

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here, Albert clearly took time with Frank, torturing him and helping him survive

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Hey great brother torment his sister to killing herself

You know she was only 24 when she hanged herself

She had him at 17

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wow fuck

im 17

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it's normal at this time

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i know but still crazy to think about

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Well was impregnated by the flower at 17

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I mean it's the end of the 19th century

it's normal

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Dude Caroline has her first child at 25

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and she was incredibly religious

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Don't play around flowers, crunky

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chastity is a vertue

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Dude 25 is fairly normal age to have kids even by today standard

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only by today's standards, for the first kid

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I was 24 when I almost had my first one.

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I mean, yeah, now turning mother at around mid 20 is the norm

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my mom had me at 38

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but back in the days, it was around 15, even 13 way back then

My mom had me at 36

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She was late on the game

My mum had me right at 30 and my brother at 29

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Let's say health wasn't on her side :/

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my mom had me at 38 and had to be c sectioned

so i could kill macbeth if i wanted

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Heh

I think that's covered, but I'll put you on the list

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Macbeth ? .-.

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man considering how modest things were back in the day

mary and james must've hated elizabeth for getting pregnant that early

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Maybe they thought it was the second coming

Immaculate conception and all

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maybe

idk even if they were religious

if my 17 year old daughter came to me like "dad i'm pregnant"

flowers wouldn't be my first guess

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They're...further down the list, yes

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Omg

In the entire time we play roots

We are William

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more like rape, based on the conditions .-.

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.....oh no

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Maybe he indirectly knock her up